The following comes from an August 2 LifeSiteNews article by Ben Johnson:
Vice President Joe Biden has performed his first wedding ceremony – presiding over the “marriage” of two men.
Biden performed the ceremony at 4 p.m. yesterday inside the vice president’s residence, located at the U.S. Naval Observatory.
Biden reportedly obtained a license from the District of Columbia before officiating the service for Brian Mosteller, the director of Oval Office operations, and Joe Mahshie, a trip coordinator for Michelle Obama.
He then tweeted out a picture of the two men holding hands as he looked on approvingly.
“The situation involving Vice President Biden and his marrying of two homosexuals gives further evidence of the decay that is occurring within the Catholic Church in America,” Judie Brown of the American Life League told LifeSiteNews. “Had the bishops, years ago, enforced church law and made it clear to Mr. Biden, among others, that public defiance of church teaching would result in denial of the reception of Holy Eucharist until such time as the Catholic in question repents of his sins of defiance, we would not today be hearing of outrages such as that exhibited by Biden.”
It is outrageous that no Catholic bishop has publicly and severely rebuked Biden.
For his role in helping the United States slouch toward Gomorrah when in 2012 he was the most prominent Democrat to devolve about legalizing same-sex pseudo marriage, prompting a wave of such devolutions in that party, Biden should be regarded as despicable.
This latest affront to Catholic faith by Biden shows that he doesn’t adhere to Catholic faith in the least, and he flaunts his public participation in grave evil to boot.
What does anyone expect from those like Biden, Polosi and other, does not surprise me. Now for the Cardinals and Bishops of this country, “COWARDS” and everyone knows it and are cowards themselves for not calling them out. The laity must stand up against these wolves who are also sissified.
So Joe, I don’t suppose you hear yourself. So, Biden is disobedient for witnessing this event. And then in the end of your comment you implore the laity to “stand up against” the bishops, which is basically a call to disobedience. You’re calling on the laity to be no better than Biden. Interesting logic, and how so wrong.
Usually I ignore your comments but in this case I will choose to respond. The Vice President didn’t simply “witness” an event, he “performed” the ceremony, without which it wouldn’t have legal existence. That makes Mr. Biden a formal cooperator in grave evil– i.e. he sinned mortally.
As for your critique of Joe’s “call to disobedience,” that is something you are reading into it. As I read Joe, he is criticizing the bishops for cowardice. That would seem on first blush to be an uncharitable act on the part of Joe. However, given that we are dealing with an issue very much tied up with the Catholic Faith and the moral order of the human species, St. Thomas Aquinas’ comments in the Summa give Joe…
SIr: I usually ignore your comments too, but since you commented on mine, I will comment on yours. The fact that you also found Joe’s comment “uncharitable” to the bishops basically supports the one and only point I am making. The fact that you didn’t get to finish the rest of your point justice demands that I say no further. However, judging by the fact that you mean to bring in Thomas Aquinas and the moral order in the mix means that you have it in mind to bring my comment to somewhere beyond what I intend for it: which is to call out a lay person for inciting disobedience, which it itself is a disruption of the moral order you speak of.
As for Biden either “witnessing” or “performing” the ceremony, the question of which…
word to use is pedantic. I could have easily used one word or the other, and Biden is still culpable. Besides, a Catholic priest or deacon “witnesses” an exchange of vows, he doesn’t “perform” the rite or the marriage.
1) You are right, it is always best to ignore the contradictory ravings of “jon the pious”. He calls himself “the only true-blue Catholic”, perfect in humility, perfect in knowledge.
2) Yet note he ignores the main issue, Biden’s participation in a grave evil. Irrelevant. jon’s main goal is excoriation of those who exchange ideas here, since they present a severe threat to his bailiwick, namely his declining personal status in a collapsing Church
It’s really all about jon. That’s all.
“…which is to call out a lay person for inciting disobedience, which it itself is a disruption of the moral order you speak of.”
Do not berate the sheep for behaving as the hireling shepherds have intended. It is natural for a cornered animal to bite and buck at those, even a “shepherd” who would use his crook to force them over the cliff. Even if said shepherd says it is for the purpose of finding greener grass.
You know this, jon, but insist on beating the bruised and quenching the smoking flax. That is you seem bent on snuffing out the truth so that those with the authority can slay the flock. That is the act of a hireling, jon, which is what you rhetoric implies.
If you are so desirous of tamping down rebellion,…
…petition the Holy See to discontinue that for which they will have to formally apologize. For if an apology is due Protestant heretics, how much more those children of the house who are perpetually scandalized by those whom they should be able to trust, but demonstrably cannot?
That said, your referencing Fr. Michael as “Sir” clearly illustrates the depth of your Catholic understanding of due respect. Sorry, pal, but the “Sir” thing really melted the last of that mask you think you wear.
Poor O Justin K. Judging from the disobedient comments I often read here, yes, it seems that I may be “the only true-blue traditional Catholic” among the commentariat of this here blog, for it is not “traditional” to be lambasting the bishops and popes of the Church in an insulting, scandalous, unjust manner as many of you folks do here.
As for Biden’s transgression, hey, I am not at all endorsing it. However, I am not endorsing Joe’s comment to disobey the bishops either whom he irreverently calls “wolves” which is irreverent and violates Canon Law.
As for calling the person I am responding to as “Sir.” Nothing wrong with “Sir.” He seems to call himself “FrMichael”. Now anyone can call himself a priest, a nun,…
a CEO, or even a “Joe” in this blog because this is anonymous and we wouldn’t know the difference. Because of my innate reverence to actual members of the clergy, unless I have verification of someone’s identity, I reserve my use of those titles to them. Ok, “Ann Malley”?
Link for St. Thomas’ comments, which were cut-off https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3033.htm
Go down to Article 4. Key words:
“It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.”
In the ordinary course of things, the laity should not publicly criticize their clergy. However, when the most prominent Catholic layman in the US conducts a marriage ceremony between two males and NOTHING is said by the Archbishop of Washington, in whose territory the atrocity occurred, or by the USCCB, or by any living, breathing bishop, then let even the stones cry out in indignation!
Jon, unlike the tendency to sin, it is not inborn to reverence clergy, but rather a learned behavior.
Your shinnying on the issue of scandal comes into play wherein you, in a public forum, are witnessed disrespecting one who identifies with the priesthood. That, in itself, gives rise to scandal and, unless you clarify your reservations within the context of your posts, you are fomenting the utmost disrespect.
Be consistent, jon. At the very least you could earn some cred that way ;^)
Thank you Fr. M for the excellent link to the St Thomas Aquinas material. His wisdom is for the ages. One of the best resources on any topic. Sadly, seems to have been put on a shelf recently in seminaries. But of great help to those of us in the pews.
Jon, I find myself in the unusual situation of siding with those who disagree with you. I have appreciated your many posts that call out disobedience of those here who deny the role of Vatican II, or of Popes & bishops who speak on matters of faith and morals. However, I didn’t find Joe’s comments to be objectionable. Maybe a little blunt, but not objectionable. He is not inciting dissent, and every action or inaction of a bishop is not an exercise of the teaching office of the Church, and sometimes they make mistakes. It IS a role of the laity to gently but firmly call them out when appropriate to do so. And this is from someone who thinks that we ought not to think that the VP officiated at civil ceremony, not a religious one, and that…
Joe, you make a reasonable comment about confronting bishops who contribute to scandal through their timidity and dereliction of duty. Lesser minds might accuse you of encouraging disobedience, but you are clearly not endorsing dissent from any doctrines. You are encouraging the laity to confront bishops about how their cowardice and neglect discourage observant Catholics and embolden dissenters. Nothing wrong with that; in fact, it is much needed in our time and with some of our bishops.
Anyone who accuses you of committing a “tu quoque” fallacy is either a dolt or a troll.
…what you describe, Sawyer, is too often not the fruit of lesser minds, but rather the tools employed to beat/confuse the Faith out of devout Catholics by way of demanding false obedience to error and authority for authority’s sake.
There you are wrong again Sawyer. Christ Himself warns against hypocrisy many times in the Gospels, calling on people to check themselves first before castigating others. Now, is Our Lord therefore guilty of “tu quoque” fallacy? No. So your point is wrong. “He who is without sin, cast the first stone” Our Lord Himself said.
My whole point in calling out Joe is this: Many people here, save perhaps only one, are not qualified to be condemning Biden and to be castigating the bishops. I can name at least ONLY ONE PERSON among the commentariat of this blog who is fit and right to call out Biden for his transgression and to implore our bishops to act with full vehemence. ONLY ONE.
If you want to disagree with St. Thomas, so be it. In the meantime, since the Faith is in danger, the blog commentators have my permission as the anonymous parish priest that is often here to cry out against this scandalous action on the part of the Vice President and implore the hierarchy to say and do something.
jon, by your own words you are judging the fitness of others whom you do not know to correct. Thus you are guilty of what you accuse.
You are also hooked on the idea that there is condemnation of the individuals you name (Biden, Bishops) instead of their actions. Actions are something which Catholics are called to judge, but with right judgement, jon. That latter is something you seem intent on forgetting and not developing in yourself.
You’d do well to see to it. You’d do better, perhaps, to ask more questions and seek to understand the posts of others before you reinterpret them to tilt with straw phantasms of your chosen agenda.
And thank you, Fr. Michael. The voice of reason.
Yes the same old lament….Where are the bishops?
Yet they still remain silent!
“Who am I to judge?”
– Pope Francis.
All this other hateful chatter about Joe Biden and his support for two men who love each other just falls away into the category of angry, judgmental people looking for reasons to make other people suffer.
after all, he is “VICE” president
God, to St. Catherine of Siena, ‘The Dialogue of the Seraphic Virgin’
“Now you see, then, how great is the foolishness of men in making themselves feeble, when I have made them strong, and in putting themselves into the hands of the Devil. Wherefore, know, that at the moment of death, they, having passed their life under the lordship of the Devil (not that they were forced to do so, for as I told you they cannot be forced, but they voluntarily put themselves into his hands), and, arriving at the extremity of their death under this perverse lordship, they await no other judgment than that of their own conscience, and desperately, despairingly, come to eternal damnation. Wherefore Hell, through their hate, surges up to them in the…
St. Anthony Mary Claret
‘What is worse, is that in all the *immense throng of persons* damned in hell, no one will fail to increase the torments of his companions, due to the horror each one causes the other, the anger with which they rage against one another, and due to the heat, the stench and the closeness in which they are condemned to live. . . God delivers the damned soul up to the enemy’s will. And, alas! what will the devil not do with this soul? As the devil is tremendously powerful, has great hatred for man, is full of rage, he will torment the souls in hell according to the number and gravity of the sins they have committed and for which they are damned.’
Thank you, Catherine, for this quote from S. Anthony Mary Claret—I have thought a lot about it; it is good to, at the very least, “dread the loss of heaven, and fear the pains of hell”.
(After death, then, it is not as P. Francis told atheist Eugene Scalfari, merely “the soul’s annihilation.” 3/24/2015 interview)
If you can provide the title and publisher of the book I would like to get it. Thanks.
you are correct Sawyer. effectively the bishops have publicly manifested ZERO charity toward Joe Biden & his immortal soul.
Nancy Pelosi couldn’t be prouder, Joe. What an ardent display of Catholicism!
When in Ireland ole Joe joked for his fondness for getting “Lubed Up”, and it has come in handy.
But then Joe Dodged the Draft 5 times, and after graduating law school got a permanent medical disability, which prevented his serving as a low paid Military Attorney, but not a high paid private one – as well as a bought and paid for politico of the lowest order.
The magnitude of JB’s spiritual error leaves me speechless. God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. Has he no fear of God? God will not be mocked. Not to mention scandal. Can he be any more unbecoming as a fellow Catholic? Tragic.
A public rebuke is in order…..a very public rebuke by his bishop or other appropriate clergy. Receiving Jesus in Holy Communion for JB is public scandal. Pray in reparation. Is this grounds for excommunication?
Biden just received an important medal from the Liberation Theology Jesuit University of Notre Dame. The honorary doctorate given to Barack Hussein Obaama by Notre Dame University was not enough considering this is an election year and the bishops are full bore for Amnesty, more illegal immigration, and lower wages for Americans.
FYI, Notre Dame is not a Jesuit university, being founded by the Congregation of the Holy Cross ca. 1842 by the saintly Fr. Edward Sorin, CSC—but its theological faculty is just as bad as any Jesuit fool, er school.
And unfortunately, crossing paths with many of the CSC major seminarians at the Catholic “theology schools” at Berkeley (Jesuit School and Franciscan School being the most notorious) in the 90’s while I was going to UC, many of their newer members were flagrantly gay and proud. And soon, ordained.
Not surprisingly, the CSC’s (which, remember, once included the Servant of God and Rosary Crusader, Fr. Patrick Peyton) are in free-fall and Vatican 2 “correlated” death spiral.
If Biden is a Catholic, I am a monkey’s uncle.
Despicable and a disgrace for the Vice President of any country to do such a thing! Worse yet when this man is supposed to be a Catholic! Now is the time for the hierarchy of the United States to condemn this action of Biden’s and to formally excommunicate him. If the Bishops do not act then they are a bunch of cowards.
Deliver Us, From Evil, Oh, Lord.
This is an election year. I don’t think–and I hope I’m wrong– the bishops will want to reprimand any democrat, even one who so boldly thumbs his nose at them as Joe Biden. Joe, you timed your impudence nicely.
This is an In-Your-Face moment from Biden to the Catholic community. Unfortunately, the Bishops are on Joe’s side.
Biden has done a profound DISGRACE to his country, and to his Church! The Obama Administration has lowered America deeper into the gutters of hippie-leftist filth!! Can’t wait until these people of the HORRIBLE “Me-Generation” are all gone from history!!
Well, more consequences of “the Pope Francis effect.” Who are you to judge?
“When the Son of Man returns, will he find any faith on the earth?” –Luke 18:8
This has ZERO to do with Pope Francis. Why do you smear him so? He is your Pope.
Then you are ignorant:
Returning from Brazil in July,2013, P Francis was asked about a case involving a gay priest. He answered,”If someone is gay, and searches for the Lord, and has good will, who am I to judge?”
You can play ignorant, but there were no qualifications, such as, “He must remain chaste,” “He must avoid near occasions of sin, temptation, bad company.” The message was: “Be gay, be actively gay. Do whatever, I can’t judge you.
Relying on the pope’s words was explicitly cited by the Illinois legislature in 2014 in passing a gay marriage law. Citing this same quote, Time magazine in July 2015 stated the pope had changed the Church’s morality forever on LGBT issues.
And Biden got the memo too: he is…
..witnessing gay marriages, participating in and facilitating a grave moral evil. Really, the Catholic VP of the US: You aren’t perturbed a bit about that. Funny, isn’t it.
And all this is part of the world-wide slide in Catholic morality under this pope, the,”Francis effect” –he who didn’t even actively oppose gay marriage legislation in Italy in 2015, when it might have stopped the push and the decay.
Yes, all this is “the Francis effect”: and you have the brass to try to intimidate with your smug self-congratulatory papal-defense fakery, supposedly against “smearing” the pope? Your cooperation in the moral collapse is the worst smear against the See of Peter.
When—in 2015, as I said, not 2016, during drafting in Italy’s legislative process — when Francis might have effectively, consistently mounted a political campaign and derailed Italy’s gay union/marriage law, he remained silent. He made one feeble announcement in Jan 2016, finally being pressured to do so after the National Day of the Family; later, a weak comment in April. It was too little, too late—the law passed in May 2016. No leadership at all and total failure the result.
The message of Francis’ pontificate is to obfuscate, just as is the Fellow Catholic’s role: “Be gay, be actively gay, Do whatever, I can’t judge you.” Our Fellow Catholic’s cooperation in tge Catholic moral collapse, the feigned…
..feigned fakery of being the “papal-defense-squad”, the pious pretending “This-has-ZERO-to-do-with-PF”, when Time magazine “gets it,” when Joe Biden “gets it”, when Catholics everywhere “get it”— the “dog-whistle” “Who am I to judge?” message well fulfills what Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, Sacred Theologian to 5 popes, who read the 3rd Secret of Fatima, wrote before his death.
Justin K, while coming from Poland after talking to the bishop’s over there, Pope Francis recently came out strongly against gender bending and teaching children such things are all right.. He said he and Emeritus Pope Benedict agree on that. You can find it on line if you look. There is a link to the message on the Spirit Daily website also.
Pope Francis never said, “Be actively gay”. NEVER. You are putting words in his mouth, and therefore bearing false witness against your neighbor. And he has opposed same sex civil unions and civil marriages every time it has come up, including when Italy was considering it. Again – you are not telling the truth about what the Pope says, so again I ask you, why do you smear him so?
Pope Francis didn’t have to say it, YFC. That said, the Pope is a loquacious fellow and not beyond correcting and/or clarifying his words. Words which have caused demonstrable scandal.
A negligent father is a smear unto himself, YFC. And a father who repeatedly goes about saying, “Make a mess!” and doing so himself with ill spoken and highly imprudent commentary invites critique.
Souls are at stake here. The dignity of the Papacy is at stake here. Not merely Francis’s persona.
Don’t you think, YFC, that PF sets the tone for the entire Church by what he says and more importantly what he doesn’t say? He could observe this outrage and comment accordingly. But he hasn’t, and to this reader, most likely won’t, given his track record so far. The question is, why hasn’t he?
Francis is sadly noted because, whether or not you accept it, this is occurring under his watch. The smear is the rejection of papal duties and the seeming glee of rabidly discarding them as charity is apparently redefined as being bolder and Christ (that is God) and jumping off the cliff at the behest of Satan.
This has EVERYTHING to do with Francis. Although he is only one in an ensemble of many.
Disobedience is disobedience. It’s the same sin, the same offense. The difference is in the degree and severity. What Joe Biden did is gravely disobedient. People who comment here incite disobedient, and even inciting disobedience, plus irreverent. The latter such as Ann Malley may think they are right but one cannot pay wrongdoing with wrongdoing of one’s own. One cannot authentically condemn the sin of disobedience if one wallows unrepentantly in one’s own disobedience. Simply put, you have no authenticity to be condemning Biden’s disobedience when you yourself disobey.
No, jon, You purport that one must obey in sinful matters. This is false. This is a perversion of Christ’s commands. Shame on you.
But more to the point, shame on your insisting that others blind themselves so as to be led into the pit. Respecting men is not what Catholics are called to do. And while you may operate on the fear of being thrown out of the Temple, others consider it their glory to take up the cross of persecution for truth’s sake.
IOW: If one sees, one is obliged to act. If one does not see, one is not obliged. So get on with your pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey game and leave the discussion for those with a mind toward consistency.
jon the pious, as perfect in humility as he is perfect in his judgement of others.
I find it strange that you call Joe Biden’s sin disobedience. As far as I know, Biden is under no vows of obedience, nor did his ordinary give him a specific warning (as far as we know) not to officiate the “same sex wedding.” He is clearly guilty of the sin of formal cooperation with lust, perhaps the sin of sacrilege with the simulation of a sacrament, and clearly the sin of scandal to his fellow Catholics and indeed the nation.
jon the pious, as usual on display, passing his weighty judgments, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Time to issue a fatwa. Canon 1373, Canon 1373, pious imam jon!
Ann Malley, I know you know enough to give no regard to the jon’s erroneous interpretations and applications of Scripture, Catholic doctrine and Canon Law.
Calling on feckless bishops to fulfill their pastoral and juridical and magisterial duties is not dissent nor is it disobedience; it is a component of faithful and zealous discipleship.
People like jon would prefer that the Church be unfaithful to Christ out of misplaced and indiscriminate obedience to some bishops. Christ said that whoever does not hate his father or mother, wife and children, cannot be his disciple. Christ taught that obedience is to be given to him; to others only insofar as they are obedient to Christ.
Those who operate like jon are hoping to use the obedience card to direct Catholics away from Catholic Faith. Those who follow are those who do not understand the nature of obedience and seek to follow men, having fallen for the Chick-tract lie that clerics are held higher than God in the Catholic Church.
Would that jon would use that zeal to read history. That of the world and the Church. And not the revisionist nonsense.
Aha! There I got all of you again. Mine is NOT a call that the Church be unfaithful to Christ. Mine is a call that the habitué of this here blog actually revere the anointed shepherds of the Church, to respect Canon Law (which I am sure you people are now clamoring for the US bishops to apply to Biden), and to cease your scandalous and name calling of the clergy.
Yes, I will insist that Joe’s comment is out-of-bounds (“The laity must stand up against these wolves who are also sissified.”) The folks you have to stand up against are your fellow Catholic laymen who make a mockery of Catholic doctrine—that may include your nearest and dearest. Instead why don’t you people “encourage” your clergy to reach out to folks like…
Biden (as what canonist Ed Peters is calling for in his latest blog on this), instead of calling them “sissified.” How irreverent! You people CANNOT command adherence to Canon Law and to the doctrines of the Church when you yourselves run roughshod over many of her disciplines and doctrines (and I can name the ones you ignore too, if I have to). Otherwise your outrages over Biden rings hollow, unauthentic, hypocritical.
Bottom line is: the folks here who bewail Biden’s action (which includes me), yet who have occasion to mock the sacraments of the Church, namely the Ordinary Form, are not fit to be casting stones at Biden.
Biden (as what canonist Ed Peters is calling for in his latest blog on this), instead of calling them “sissified.” How irreverent! Many folks who regularly comment here people CANNOT command adherence to Canon Law and to the doctrines of the Church when they themselves run roughshod over many of her disciplines and doctrines (and I can name the ones you ignore too, if I have to). Because of this, your outrage over Biden rings hollow, unauthentic, hypocritical. THIS is the thrust of my comment earlier on Joe’s words. And on this, I will insist upon.
Bottom line is: the folks here who bewail Biden’s action (which includes me), yet who have occasion to mock the clergy of the Church and indeed her sacraments of the Church, namely the…
Ordinary Form, are not fit to be casting stones at Biden. NOT FIT.
The above anonymous posting was my response to you, Sawyer. Hopped on my son’s computer and forgot to insert the appropriate information prior to posting.
Thank you for helping one and all understand the confusion of jon’s rhetoric. The truth shall set us free. Not obedience to error or operating by way of fear.
The role of the Magisterium is what is deficient in the faith of many folks here who disobey. Folks, the teachings of the Church stand on three pillars: Scripture, Tradition, the Magisterium. ALL THREE. It is the charge and charism of the Magisterium to apply, to interpret, to teach the first two (Scripture and Tradition) for the needs of our time. People, you cannot purport to be in obedience to the first two if you thumb your noses on the third, because it is the third–the Pope and the bishops–who are the authentic interpreters of the Bible and Tradition.
THerefore, if you believe that you can disobey the Pope and the bishops on a moral issue (and the only one issue I’ve commented at length here is the death penalty) because…
YOU CLAIM to be in obedience to the Bible and Tradition, YOU ARE INCONSISTENT, you have no stable ground to stand upon, and you dissent! And what’s the the difference between a Protestant and a dissenting Catholic? The former have integrity.
“Aha! There I got all of you again” = Same words also used by serial killers. NOT a good sign. Explains fixation with the death penalty.
Corporal work of mercy needed:
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To pretend that the Magisterium is that which can “interpret” white to mean black and black to now mean white is to facilitate error by means of corrupting “official” channels, jon.
The Church has lived through grave crises in the past. She will do so again by way of God’s grace. The same grace upon which Catholics depend in order to refute error, even from a negligent clergy and itchy eared “faithful”.
Globbing onto the heresy train out of obedience is no obedience, nor is it principled. Even if barked in capital letters ;^)
In matters of faith and morals, Ann Malley, the Holy Spirit protects the Church, the Magisterium, from teaching error. THIS IS DOCTRINE. To contradict this is heretical.
I am waiting with bated breath for Biden’s excommunication. The bishops do his soul no good with their silence.
Notre Shame, Fordham, Loyola, etc will all be fighting to give him the next honorary degree or make him a commencement speaker. The local bishop will respond, “I can’t get involved.”
Appears that Joe has a spiritual condition call demontia! We need to pray for him to turn around, otherwise his goose will be not just cooked but burned to a crisp!
I wonder if Obama was the flower girl, or gave away his director of oval office operations? Bet their were tears of joy in the devils attending.
This only goes to show the kind of deviants Obama has working around him. And to think they want to rule and control our lives! IF Hitlery gets elected, it will be not more of the same, since she and slick Willy have gone away with so many crimes being above the law, they’ll be even bolder to more rapidly transform our country into communism than Obama.
Out of all the Bishops in the United States is there any one of them with enough backbone to speak out about the despicable action of Biden? Or are they all afraid that Pope Francis will do to them what he did to Cardinal Burke? The Church is in big trouble. Thank God for the promise of Jesus to be with the Church until the end of time.
Yes Anonymous not even the gates of hell will prevail against the church. Biden is a very misguided man doing the will of the devil. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul. For the sake of his sorrowful passion have mercy on us and the whole world.
So folks, I know it is not comfortable for many of you to hear me calling you out on your hypocrisy. You violate Canon Law by scandalously castigating unjustly the clergy, yet when a known Catholic is seen blatantly violating the Church’s law and discipline, you implore them to act. How will they respond to you, who have so berated them? Plus, what’s your moral ground to defend Canon Law, when you yourselves violate it here routinely?
So, people understand that it is because of the abundance of my mercy that I am here correcting all of you and calling on you to cease your disobedience and disrespect. Otherwise, I wouldn’t waste my time doing my act of mercy here with a bunch of disobedient vociferous complainers. Then, and…
only then will your complaints be heard.
God is merciful, jon. You judging yourself to be “merciful” comes off more like Joaquin Phoenix playing Commodus in Gladiator.
“…am I not merciful?” raged in someone’s face.
That said, the moral ground upon which many speak here is based on the understanding that we are to judge from the fruits. Even clerics. That is judge their actions.
We all have a duty to protect our souls, jon, and those who depend upon us. We have to answer to God. That is why, much as it shouldn’t be so, much as we may want to rely upon authority being used as it should be, it is paramount to speak out against the misuse of authority so that that which is inherently there to bring about the good will not become the tool of that which is evil.
I’m not sure what connection jon has with the bishops that he knows what motivates them to action. In my experience, bishops don’t go around polling the quiet content members of the Church to see what they, the bishops, should be doing, as he suggests here. Bishops are very busy men and with their large areas of responsibilities tend to operate at the 30,000 foot level. Problems on the ground are typically missed until complaints reach their ears. Then they make decisions based on (1) whether they perceive a real problem, (2) are they in a position to fix the problem, and (3) is it worth fixing given the costs of doing so?
Who said anything anything about me having a “connection” with bishops?
Sir, you made assertions about what it would take for the bishops to hear the concerns of the CCD commentators. From my own experience, I disagreed with you and provided the readers with my own take on what motivates bishops to listen and act.
What nonsense, little jon motivated by “mercy.” Sheer rationalization.
jon’s entire meme reeks of bitterness and hostility, esp. vs.trad types, by whom he is obviously threatened; the remainder is self-adoration.
Spare us all the self-gratifying “mercy” and prayers for us. We can all taste the utter insincerity.
As more and more people have been calling out jon for his errors he has become even more pompous, condescending and self-righteous. I detect sociopathic qualities in his manner of expression. The more he is derided, the more frequent the manifestations of his sociopathy. Rather than the board’s nearly unanimous rejection of him giving him pause and making him reconsider his stances and approach, it has intensified his resolve to cry out for attention and help.
The commentariat’s nearly unanimous rejection of my words Sawyer is easily explainable. Nobody wants to be told they’re wrong, as you were told by me that you got the Church’s teaching on the death penalty wrong and that you interpreted “intrinsically disordered” wrong. Nobody wants to be called out on their disobedience and dissent, and having it pointed out to them publicly. So, yeah, I expected “rejection” and antipathy coming my way because ya’ll are acting as predicted.
So why am I here enduring all of this antipathy? Why, I am merciful: the only reason why. Someone has got to call you all out on your hubris. It’s the year of mercy, and so I thought I’d go to a place where those in the “margins” of the Church go…
Yes, folks admit it: you’re in the margins of the Church. And Francis called us to go to them. And so here I am. Do you people honestly think that I enjoy being here? It’s simply because of my forbearance and mercy, and yes, even Christian love, that I have condescended to come here and point out to you where you ought to grow in your faith.
No, jon is not well but will never face it. .Sawyer nailed it on the sociopathic pattern of grandiose self-magnification, the denial of his frequent errors of objective fact, and the threats of divine retribution against perceived enemies. Ever read Mein Kampf?
Wrong AGAIN, Campion. I have articulated NO ERROR in matters of faith and morals in this here blog because the Church teaches no error in these matters. What I have merely done here is re-articulate the perennial teachings of the Church, faithfully, firmly, with patience, and humbleness.
This goes beyond the beyond and there is no longer any lame excuse by Any bishop or priest to not act against this total act of evil corruption and defiance or they also are corrupt. Doing nothing then our faith will become meaningless and its up to us to see that they do act. Note ! VP Biden performs a marriage for two homosexuals in home with his wife saying its love and good and its not newsworthy to the media to report?
FACT: Any faithful Catholic that is NOT UPSET by this travesty, has already put their immortal soul in great jeopardy. (No amount of explaining will work if you do not comprehend that statement.) Not only is JB the VP of the USA, he is a high profile Catholic (renounced his faith thru his action?) which is a great spiritual scandal. THIS WOULD NOT BE TOLERATED without severe consequences many years ago. Why allow it today? Have the progressive, permissive, PC policies gushing from government, flowing thru society, entered into the church? May God continue to preserve the good, forgive the repentant & destroy the evil that offends Him, so He is NOT mocked.. God help us.
Way to go – Ever “Lubed Up” Joe.
“People in homosexual ‘marriages’ almost 3 times more likely to commit suicide: study”
(LifeSiteNews.com) – Homosexuals who “marry” each other are almost three times more likely to commit suicide than their heterosexual counterparts, even in very gay-friendly Sweden, according to a study published in the May issue of the European Journal of Epidemiology.
The authors of the study noted that social intolerance of homosexual behavior could not so easily be blamed for increased suicide risk, given that Sweden is known for its accepting attitude towards same-sex relationships.
“Even in a country with a comparatively tolerant climate regarding homosexuality such as Sweden, same-sex…
People in homosexual ‘marriages’ almost 3 times more likely to commit suicide: study- homosexuals suffer from significantly higher rates of mood disorders, anxiety disorders, substance abuse disorders, suicide attempts, eating disorders, and panic attacks.
The behavior of homosexuals, which often involves high levels of promiscuity and instability in their interpersonal relationships, results in rates of 10-20% HIV infection of homosexuals living in urban areas, as well as elevated incidence of herpes and the cancer-causing Epstein-Barr virus, syphilis, anal cancer, and other diseases.
Also, a little known “secret” among the gays is that their notion of marriage does not necessarily include sexual fidelity to each other. Many is the gay “marriage” in which the partners have an understanding that it is okay to have sexual liaisons with others, even frequently.
Gay “marriage” is a complete fraud, from top to bottom. It’s legalization will only have damaging effects on our society.
I believe the Catholic Faith still teaches that sex outside of marriage is immoral.
Thus, it is clear that Biden willfully facilitated immoral, sinful acts–according to the Faith.
Such public sinfulness was once called public scandal and people were held accountable by the leadership–the Bishops. Alas, no more.
Not to mention that two men cannot have sex with each other.
They can perform sodomitic acts, which are not intercourse; merely a crude and disgusting mimicry.
Why do we consider this as the decay of the catholic churches? Isn’t it legal now a days.