The following comes from Sept. 6 posting by Lloyd Marcus on the American Thinker website.
So this is how the game is played. Leftist operatives in the courts (supreme and state) create unconstitutional laws to further their anti-God agenda. Then leftists say those who disobey their lawless laws are not behaving like Christians and good Americans. Many on our side fall for it.
The SCOTUS’ ruling on Obamacare and homosexual marriage means the Constitution will now say whatever leftists want it to say. Folks, do you realize that based on this new precedent, the left can make anything they want a law? Incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and so on?
Before you call me crazy, leftists are already clamoring for the normalization of these sins. Have you heard of NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)?
Suppose our kangaroo Supreme Court decreed that ending slavery was unconstitutional. All blacks must report to government for their slavery assignments. How many idiots on our side would comply because Christians and good Americans must obey the law?
Meanwhile, it goes without saying that Obama is the most lawless president in U.S. history, refusing to obey laws he dislikes. Sanctuary cities run by Democrats defiantly disobey federal immigration law at the cost of endangering and even killing American citizens. It is insane to allow these conniving vipers to claim the moral high ground over us, lecturing us about obeying the law.
Christians with their heads not buried in the sand knew that jail time was coming for Christians who refuse to bow down and worship homosexuals’ false god.
In response to the SCOTUS ruling on homosexual marriage, a mega-church pastor said he hoped it would not infringe upon our religious freedom. I thought, “Well, duh!” That is the purpose of the attacks and lawsuits: to criminalize biblical standards.
Wedding chapels, cakes, flowers, and everything else needed for homosexuals to marry are readily available to them. Homosexuals’ ultimate mission is to force Christians to rubber-stamp their behavior, thus betraying the true God.
This is why I get upset with Christians who still do not get it – labeling any pushback as intolerant and un-Christian, lecturing fellow Christians about showing these passive, humble homosexuals more love. I want to scream, “This ain’t about that!” This is about saying no to being bullied into embracing anti-biblical behavior.
The radical homosexual movement is a form of the Mark of the Beast. In essence, any business or household that does not display the homosexual rainbow flag over its doorway will not be permitted to exist. Remember the pro football player who was fined and forced into sensitivity training for tweeting his disapproval of two men kissing on national TV.
When did we lose the power, folks, becoming subservient to 2% of the population, forced to comply or end up in jail?
Kim Davis realizes that the Creator’s Law trumps the creation’s law. This is why she has the strength to in essence say, “Y’all can have a fit and even throw me in jail – I will not bow down and worship your god.” Trust me: the forces of evil are outraged. Note that all the vitriol is coming from the left, not from Christians.
Christian abolitionists disobeyed the law, helping blacks to escape slavery via the underground railroad. They also broke the law by teaching blacks to read.
Daniel was a high-ranking, highly respected government (King Darius) employee. A new law said everyone must pray only to King Darius. Daniel disobeyed, continuing to pray to the God of Israel. He was arrested and thrown into the lion’s den. When interviewed by reporters from the Stone Tablet Times, I suspect some Christians trashed Daniel for noncompliance to the king’s law.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were government (King Nebuchadnezzar) appointees. The king built a golden statue, proclaimed it god, and decreed that all must bow down and worship it. Faithful to the true God, the three Hebrew boys disobeyed the law, refusing to bow down or worship the government’s statue. They were arrested and thrown into a fiery furnace.
Like Kim Davis, Daniel and the three Hebrew boys believed that the consequence of betraying God is eternal: heaven or hell. It is hard to believe that Christians are now forced to make such a choice in the United States of America.
God bless GOP presidential contender Sen. Ted Cruz for standing up for religious freedom.
I stand with Kim Davis. Unequivocally. I stand with every American that the Obama Administration is trying to force to choose between honoring his or her faith or complying with a lawless court opinion.
In dissent, Chief Justice Roberts rightly observed that the Court’s marriage opinion has nothing to do with the Constitution. Justice Scalia observed that the Court’s opinion was so contrary to law that state and local officials would choose to defy it.
Please click this link to read the rest of Sen Cruz’s powerful statement.
Frankly, GOP presidential contender Carly Fiorina saying Kim Davis should issue the license or resign smells of more GOP caving to the left – we-don’t-have-your-back politics as usual. This makes me a bit nervous envisioning Fiorina in the big chair in the Oval Office.
Fiorina’s behavior takes me back to an article I wrote titled “Which GOP Presidential Contender will Keep Their Word in the White House.”
Again, thank you, brother Cruz, for leading the charge for religious liberty and We the People.
i am so proud of kim davis’ intregrity and witness. she has asked that her name not be allowed to be on any records of marriage that will be allowed to be issued by her clerks. they have not yet answered her on that one.
Exactly, david drewelow. Although Kim Davis is Protestant this is a “St. Thomas More” moment for her to a great extent. Pray that she remain faithful, and even convert to the Holy Catholic Church later. I recommend the book “The Sadness of Christ” to all at this time. It was written by St. Thomas More when he was in prison.
You are proud of a woman who, rather than resign like a woman of true integrity would do, defied the law.
She is asking for big trouble if she goes back to her little clerk fiefdom and prevents her clerks from following the orders of the judge. She tempts criminal prosecution at that point.
She just does not want her name on any of those certificates signed for so-called same-sex marriages.
This woman is risking her livelihood and even her very life, as she’s received death threats from mentally deranged types. I’m disappointed in you as you are often a witness to gentleness. I wish I could get you to see how this weakness is bringing you down! We all have our weakness that satan can use to ruin not just our witness, but our path to salvation. As I’ve said in the past, Germany was able to do terrible crimes legally under Hitler because the courts passed inhumane and unjust laws. That is what is happening here. The three women on the court should have recused themselves as they’re unable to be in any way disinterested parties and have a clear…
agenda they’re carrying out. Christians will get no fair hearing and no justice on issues that the socialist justices on the court deem not in their own best interests. It’s becoome a monkey court.
Going to jail for obeying God’s laws shows a much deeper integrity than resigning a position. Her witness to the truth (which in the end is what annoys you) is profoundly sacrificial.
What annoys me is that she is getting paid by the taxpayers for a job she is not doing.
And some people are spending thousands of dollars of the taxpayers money for so-called sex-change operations when it is impossible to change ones sex, while others are going hungry and without basic care while the nation is going bankrupt.. Clean up your own act you who call yourself YRC before you tell others what to do.
No “YFC” what annoys you is that she reminds you that homosexual activity is sinful!
Repent while you can, better to do it today than to lament for eternity in pain and suffering.
YFC – This woman has more integrity and courage than most people. I applaud her and believe she will go down in history as someone who pushed back on the redefinition of ‘natural marriage’. Just imagine if more followed in her footsteps, we could take back this country from those bent on destroying the family and society.
Absolutely YFC. The Laws of God (as stated in the Bible) are above the Laws of man – for ALL those who call themselves ‘CHRISTIAN’.
CCC: ” 105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself. “
What a great article! Just the clear thinking and emphatic explanations that are needed in this mealy-mouthed age. The Sen.Cruz addition was great, as well. I don’t know why so many people are complaining about the Republican candidates…it’s one of the most interesting races I’ve seen in many a long year. Let’s hope the republicrats that have been ruling the party for years will finally get their comeuppance. Isn’t it ironic that it was a democratic Christian woman that stood her ground? With Christ, all things are possible.
Not so surprising, Dana. Governor Casey, Sr. stood up for what was right years ago, and the Democratic Party “threw him under the bus”. The Democratic Party through John Cardinal O’Connor under the bus, too, and I do not think he was Republican. He might have been Independent.
The supreme law, or the ultimate law of the land is not what the Supreme Court mandates, it is God’s laws, especially the 10 Commandments. Theology teaches us that we are to disobey an immoral or sinful law. The present courts are and have been evil for quite some time. Blacks ARE human beings, a little alcohol is NOT bad, prayer in schools is good, abortion and gay marriage is evil. We will be persecuted for standing up for God.
Kim Davis: First later- day victim of judicial tyranny.
Jail Time 4 Thought Crime = the ‘gospel’ of the Gaystapo!
I have been pointing out the obvious – that this is The Pogrom of said Gaystapo, literally for decades now, and the ‘church of nice – mice’ gang simply scoffs at the absurdity, unless they are pushing it themselves – in which case they heavily Censor their Real Agenda and play along to get on the inside.
It is called “Being Put to the Test” – as happened in Ireland during the age of occupation by Cromwell and others, who banned Catholicism and stabled horses in Churches.
They had to resort to Teaching in the Hedges, hence the ‘Hedge School’ movement has today morphed in to Home School, which We need to Support for Catholic Families without access to Catholic Schools…
Hers was not a thought crime. Nobody gives a hoot what she thinks.
She was put in jail because she was ordered to obey the law and she was not happy with the compromise accommodation by which her assistants would issue marriage licences. She refused the accommodation that was offerred to her, to respect her religious beliefs.
It wasn’t what she believed that got her into trouble, it was her refusal to do her job that got her into trouble.
YFC – Are you serious. Nobody cares? You mean those who want to destroy the ‘natural law’ and redefine what God intended, one man and one woman marriage. But you might be somewhat accurate. Those who are bent on destroying marriage and those who are indifferent really don’t care but they will have to account for that someday unfortunately.. God bless Kim Davis. As a very flawed person, her conversion, like St. Paul and St. Augustine, indicates that with God all things are possible. God can use anyone.
There isn’t a country in the world that jails people for what they think. They jail people because of actions that are based on their beliefs. Kim Davis was a prisoner of conscience.
Ms. Davis is out of Jail and the four gay and straight couples have licenses. I doubt any other gay couples in her little county will want to marry soon. I hope she doesn’t, out of spite storm back into the office and again deny straight couples licenses just to keep the drama going. As for NAMBLA, once they appeared on the scene, lesbians raised hell about them. They are regarded with disgust by the LGBT community and have been for decades.
LATE BULLETIN: Kim’s Chief Deputy says he’ll continue to issue marriage licenses to any qualified couple even if she orders him not to. Show’s over folks. Time to move on.
Kim Davis is an elected official. There is no law in her state legislating Gay marriage, the Supreme Court does not make new Laws. Her going to jail highlights the lawlessness of Barack Hussein Obama on Executive Amnesty for Illegal Aliens and so many other outrages such as free Sex Change surgery in Obamacare. The Protestants are leading us in bravery. Particularly Pope Francis who expends his immense popularity in the advancement of “Who I am to judge” while attending a meeting on the family and directing a Synod on the family. The Church and our Nation are rudderless.
Gratias, you are mixing apples and grapefruit. In fact, when the Supreme Court rules on the constitutionality of an issue, that is the law of the land. Her going to jail has nothing to do with President Obama. Although he nominates Justices, the Senate approves them. Her going to jail highlights the fact that she disobeyed the laws of the land. As an elected official she had to take an oath to uphold the law and the Constitution, regardless of her religious beliefs. Please try to remember that we are a nation of laws and not individuals. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. If you wan to change the law elect different representatives. Her refusal to uphold the law warrants some time in jail.
Bob One….I guess the abolitionists, Rosa Parks and MLK should have obeyed the laws on slavery or segregation.
Issuing marriage licenses to couples – whether gay or straight – is not the same as slavery or segregation. And you know what, even most folks who agree with your opposition to same sex marriage look at that analogy and see it for what it is…nonsense.
Bob One, marriage between one man and one woman IS NOT unconstitutional. Sodomy was illegal and there was no so-called same-sex marriage when the founding fathers drew it up. The only way it could become unconstitutional is for an amendment to the Constitutions to be put in place The judges made up this law in their own minds against the will of the people. It would be unlawful anyway, with or without an amendment because it is against Nature and the laws of God, and sooner or later, God will punish those who practice it — no ifs, ands or buts about it. Two men cramming their private parts up each others backside does not a marriage make, nor does whatever lesbians do.
Anne, you are wrong about the legal issues. Also, please remember that Sodomy was illegal between heterosexual married couples back when. It is the job of the Supreme Court to determine if a law is constitutional or not. It does not require an amendment. The will of the people is never an issue of a law’s constitutionality. It was the court that declared separate-but-equal unconstitutional, even though it went against the will of a lot of people. Our Constitution protects us with freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. When a state agent refuses to issue legal marriage licenses she is in essence setting up a state religion.
The courts are not God.
Bob One, sodomy was illegal back then because it is dangerous to the body and eventually causes all kinds of medical problems and diseases. It was probably decriminalized because the police had more serious things to do than enter bedrooms, but no one should be encouraging it for anyone. Surgeon General Koop told the truth when he said the anal canal was not constructed for sexual intercourse. Any simpleton should know that. It was meant for the passage of feces. It easily tears which leads to both anal and colon cancers besides a multitude of STD’s. Good grief, man, they did not listen to him and many died an early death, then blamed it on those who discourage the practice.
Anne T says “The courts are not God”. BINGO! Anne T wins!
Government, including county clerks and the courts that bind them, are not God. Therefore, when a county clerk claims to speak for God, that would be a no-no.
Denying God is the no-no, YFC. And while you may be inclined to denial of certain truths, others are called to reveal said truths whether that makes you outraged or not. This idea of being bound by the courts yet not bound by God are disturbing…..for we are called to obey in all but sin, friend.
God has already spoken, He made a reproductive canal and an alimentary canal. We are not to misuse either, or we pay the price. End of discussion.
I distrust Ted Cruz. I do not believe he is genuine. I think Ted Cruz panders to religious conservatives in return for power.
As a student at Harvard Law, he refused to study with anyone who lacked an Ivy League pedigree. Now, he sides with imbeciles like Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin, whom he would have scorned as beneath his intellectual level as a student, for political benefit.
Bob One— Electing representatives is beside the point. It was an unelected group of five lawyers who found same sex marriage to be a fundamental constitutional right; thereby putting the axe to a democratic process proceeding in the States’ elected legislatures.
They were not just any five judges, they were the majority justices of the US Supreme Court. The Court that all of us agreed to when we all adopted the US Constitution. Or did you forget that?
Read Chief Justice Robert’s calm but piercing dissent. The Court majority’s decision was made up out of thin air. To paraphrase Roberts: the Constitution had nothing to do with it.
By the way, would your reverence for Supreme Court decisions extend to Bush v. Gore, I wonder?
I forgot something. The principle of judicial review by which Supreme Court decisions hold supremacy was established by a case decided by the Supreme Court itself [Marbury v. Madison], not by the federal Constitution. You might want to be a little more careful before you pontificate so definitively.
DOCTRINE of the FAITH: – – – CCC: ” 2242 The citizen is obliged in conscience NOT to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel. Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God and serving the political community. “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” “We must obey God rather than men”:
Yes there is. Her state is part of the United States, and the laws of the United States apply everywhere and to everyone.
Like our Pope said: hagant Lío!
YFC – tell obedience of the Law to your buddy OBAMA.
He and his Justice Dept does not even enforce the IMMIGRATION laws of the Country, etc, etc, etc,
Navy overrules punishment for Bible-Believing Chaplain
https://www.onenewsnow.com/national-security/2015/09/09/navy-overrules-punishment-for-bible-believing-chaplain
A law firm that takes up religious liberty cases is commending the U.S. Navy for exonerating –
Wes Modder, a decorated chaplain and 20-year military veteran, was punished after expressing his religious views about faith and marriage…
OneNewsNow reported in April that it appeared Modder was trapped by his own office assistant, who is homosexual, into expressing his politically incorrect views of homsexuality, sin and marriage.
The office assistant filed the complaint that almost derailed Modder’s career.
It is a sin to follow laws which are contrary to divine and natural law.
your fellow catholic, your comment reminds me of the country song lyrics ‘ she could always find the dark side to the silver ling in a cloud’. were all the abolitionists who helped with the underground railroad also lacking integrity? should they just have waited things out .’obeying the law”? few have this courage, so it won’t be happening at elected levels very often.
She is hardly operating an underground railroad.
YFC….But it’s just as bad. Homofascists taking over our courts, schools, businesses, state laws, libraries, etc. Just look at Massachusetts and the damage done there already.
You’ve obviously never been a slave or you wouldn’t say that.
St. Peter Damian’s writings about slavery
“Tell us, you unmanly and effeminate man, what do you seek in another male that you do not find in yourself?” –
“For God’s sake, why do you damnable sodomites pursue the heights of ecclesiastical dignity with such fiery ambition?” –
“By what right or by what law can one bind or loose the other when he is constrained by the bonds of evil deeds common to them both?”
“Who can expect the flock to prosper when its shepherd has sunk so deep into the bowels of the devil?”
You forget slavery to sin is just as deadly.
The “Catholics” who voted for Obama are responsible for this situation!
She’s currently living in an adulterous relationship by biblical standards. I can’t think of a worse spokesperson to uphold Christian morality.
In fact, she was having a legally adulterous relationship with a future husband that led to a child to him while she was still married to a prior husband.
However, I am not a fan of public judgements of people’s private morality, except if it makes her a hypocrite in the exercise of her public duties. We should keep her business hers.
So what? She was still a political prisoner.
YFC, then why are you writing about her life publically ?
Do you know if she repented, and when ?
Jesus forgave. He said “Go and Sin No More” – Jn 8:11.
I don’t know if she repented, which is one of the reasons why her personal life should not be held against her.
However, it is relevant in this regard: If she had applied for her second or third marriage license and the clerk she applied to had said, “Oh no, I’m Catholic, and my conscience doesn’t allow me or anyone who works for me issue second or third marriage licenses.”
Or if she were in a medical emergency and needed an IV, and a Christian Science believer was the paramedic and refused her the IV because it is against their religion, and the person died. Should that be allowed?
A dumb analogy. No Christian Science believer would want to be a paramedic,
Phew! That’s such a relief, yfc. Discretion is your middle name! How utterly unChristian and hypocritical it would have been to share the alleged fact that
” she was having a legally adulterous relationship with a future husband that led to a child to him while she was still married to a prior husband.” You’ve learned your lessons so well. You and Eleanor, who also lives in San Francisco, I believe, should start a little home study group. You could call it
“How to be better than everyone else in just five short weeks!” (Orthodox Catholics need not apply)
Look who’s talking.
It’s apparent YFC is clueless about St. Paul and St. Augustine former lives.
Keep in mind she wasn’t issuing ANY marriage licenses. How long will the engaged and future engaged couples of Rowan County need to wait to get married just to accomodate Miss Kim’s need for the spotlight and drama?
And it’s also true that not only would she sign any marriage licenses (gay or straight), she was prohibiting her junior clerks from signing them, even though they have no moral problem doing so. She was trying to dictate her morality on her own staff, thus violating the first amendment rights of her staff (as well as the fourteenth amendment rights of the engaged couples).
YFC’s post most certainly lends the still due credence to psychiatric boards that recognized the reality that homosexuality is a form of mental illness. …continued
No psychiatric board in the western world treats homosexuality as a mental illness.
Tragically, for many souls, that is because the inmates are now calling the shots while running the psychiatric asylum. Couple this with a world swept up in a diabolical disorientation that has embraced the culture of death. Abortion is not treated as the murder of a living human being in the western world either. It is murder and the western world once recognized that reality too. Denying or covering up the reality that homosexuality is a form of a mental illness is like denying and covering up the reality that abortion is murder.
…that is because the “Western World” is bought and paid for, YFC. Consensus among the compromised is no proof of reality or truth.
Well YFC it just goes to show how corrupt the mental therapy industry is
Of course, they don’t. They have been infiltrated and forced like the rest of society to accept these disordered gender preferences as normal.
She wanted her name — that is printed on the certificates — to be taken off the ones for unnatural “marriage” from what I heard. Others signed them, but from what I have read, her name is still imprinted on there.
She could have resigned. Instead she refused both her name and the name of any of her associates be used to sign the licenses.
Let’s get clear hear: Christ clearly said that civil authorities were to obey civil law. He never ever said that civil authorities had to obey some religious law, and more even than that, he never said that civil authorities shouldn’t authorize marriage licenses, whether gay or straight.
DOCTRINE of the FAITH: – – – CCC: ” 2242 The citizen is obliged in conscience NOT to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel. Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God and serving the political community. “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” “We must obey God rather than men”:
Mike, once again, she could have fulfilled this obligation of the Catechism (which by the way, she is not catholic and so doesn’t follow the catechism) by resigning. I could quote other paragraphs that require employees to follow civil authorities.
SACRED SCRIPTURE is the “WORD of GOD” – not only to Catholics but OTHER Christians. (For Catholics see: CCC 97, 104, 105, 81, 102, 136 regarding Sacred Scripture being the Word of God.)
Anyone who “accurately” quotes Scripture and in the appropriate context is quoting the “Word of God”.
SACRED SCRIPTURE regarding homosexuals: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
In the early years of Christianity, in Rome, all citizens were commanded to burn incense in front of the pagan idols. Most refused to do so, but some Christians did the incense just to stay alive. They were severely condemned by the Christian community, and that included the pope. So, if you know something is theologically and morally wrong, you must not do it, even if it means giving up your life. The ‘I am personally opposed, but will not stand in the way’ is immoral and sinful.
She could have followed the dictates of her conscience by resigning.
No one should be forced to resign.
Kim Davis was elected by the people within her jurisdiction.
Only those people have the right to elect and recall her.
She followed the dictates of her conscience by doing precisely what she did, YFC. But again, your posts are informative as on other matters you promote “conscience” as the supreme authority. Why not now?
Camps – For Political Re-Education, or simply harvest kinda (like checking out library books, only different) and then once no longer useful – extermination?
Feminist Writer: Put Men in ‘Some Kind of Camp’ with ‘Wardens, of Course!’
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/feminist-writer-wants-put-men-some-kind-camp#.gqzfic:TYHN
Radical feminist activist, Guardian writer, and self-proclaimed “political lesbian” Julie Bindel has stated she wants to put men in “in some kind of camp” and hopes “heterosexuality doesn’t survive” women’s liberation…
Bindel elaborated on her plan for men, involving putting men in “some kind of camp” – and letting women check them out like library books:
Actually Michael we’re the ones more likely to end up in camps..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2839yEazcs ….
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rev. Whorly could convince President Huckabee to do this. I suppose the camp for lesbians could be named for Kim Davis.
What a great day that would be….
Just think…You could sign up to be a guard.
I would be a lot more than a guard
You can depend on me to sneak you in Bibles and cigarettes, C&H. And Ann Malley I can do stand- up comedy to brighten, your dreary days . Did you hear the one about the two Irishmen and the duck? And we can mop Canisius’s brow from all his exertions…putting people in stocks, enforced marching to rousing Sousa tunes, short sheeting all the beds and other fiendish afflictions.
This woman should not hold any public office, including that of County Clerk, if she is unwilling or unable to carry out her duties.
And by “her duties” I’m not talking about her personal interpretation of the Old Testament, the New Testament, or whatever preacher she follows, I’m talking about her duties as written in her JOB DESCRIPTION.
In the bad old days people like this would refuse to serve meals to those whom they considered unworthy (such as non-whites), or to allow unworthy people to live in peace (e.g., divorced folks).
You would be put in solitary confinement, definitely, with 24/7 Muzak piped in to sweeten your disposition. And Bible reading with daily quizzes.
Davis: “Y’all can have a fit and even throw me in jail – I will not bow down and worship your god.”
This woman needs to find another place to work, if she does not respect the rule of law.
Further, just because some judge tells her to obey the law, it doesn’t mean that judge worships some “god” with a small g – he might be much more faithful to God than this woman. Too, he might know that issuing a marriage license to some same-sex couple doesn’t mean anything in terms of the Bible or the Catholic Church: tons of people in this country get divorced, but do you see Catholic judges refusing to permit it? Or Catholic attorneys refusing to represent a client?
She wanted the spotlight for a moment and got it.
She did not bring the spotlight on herself. She asked the people who were filming to turn the phones off.
Oh please, she is out in front of hordes of press cameras ppprrraaaaiiiisssiiinnnggg jesus with her arms in the air and having Huckabee and Cruz singing her praises right along with her.
You don’t want to love her, am I right?
Eleanor, Eleanor. Tut.Tut. Your halo that was glowing so brightly on your post on opening up churches for the homeless ( bless your little heart) is slipping just a little. Where the love? Where the Christian forebearance? You’re sounding more than a tad judgmental. Mm mm. Maybe it’s from all good works you’re doing. You’ve worked your delicate fingers to the bone on corporeal works of mercy and are just worn to a little nubbin. I’ll bet even pressing your computer keys is an effort.
….and others pushing certain agendas, as in all the way to the Supreme Court, are not seeking the spotlight?
Come on Eleanor. Battle lines are drawn and it is time to choose. Either that or you’ll find yourself cut down by those on either side.
Personally, I am thankful for the wake-up call. Frogs had better put down the Mai Thai and realize that this hot tub is no Club Med vacation.
…or maybe you’re like me and your sliding your finger around on a greasy iPad screen. (I’ve simply got to stop eating corn chips while I expound on this website! )
US Constitution – 1st AMENDMENT: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …”
The US Supreme Court (or any other Court) is not permitted to author / write law.
Only Congress can author Federal law.
Courts that write law – or deviate from law, are lawless in themselves. Their lawlessness has to stop.
There is nothing in Federal Law regarding marriage except DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act).
AL, I guess you are not familiar with John Marshall’s opinion in Marbury v. Madison which established the Supreme Court’s ability to rule on the constitutionality of any law or action by either of the other two branches of government. Since the early days of our nation it has been settled law that the Constitution is whatever the Supreme Court says it is. Strict Constructionist still don’t like the ruling, but it has never been changed.
You liberals, and you know who you are, read Patrick Buchanan’s take on this. He states the facts better than I can.
Patrick Buchanan is a moron.
You should read catholic justice Andrew Napolitano’s view on this issue. Hint, he also cites the example of St. Thomas More.
Snicker. Can we quote you on that Jon? If Pat Buchanan is a moron, what does that make kimosabe obama? We’d need nano technology to do the measuring just to get a blip on the screen for ole barry. But I think we’ve gotten off track here. Meanwhile, back in ole Kentucky…
Oh, I despise Obama. Terrible constitutional President.
When he claimed to be able to bomb US citizens on US soil and the legal rational was classified, he should have been impeached on the spot.
JFK started this mess when he stated that he would not let his Catholicism influence his governing the nation. Without God and morals, we are worse than savage beasts. The Supreme Court is not God, and any authority it has comes from God. It is supposed to interpret the law, not make up laws. Because we are loosing our Christian identity, we shall soon become Moslem as Europe is becoming. Ave Maria Purrissima !
your fellow catholic, i think she said that what she was doing was according to the dictates of her conscience. only she has the inside view on this i am sure she has much more to tell us that could come out later, if she wishes to share it/
I have a hard time seeing Kim Davis as a victim and a martyr when she wants to use her authority to compel others to live in conformity to her religious beliefs.The Great Commission instructs Christians to spread the Good News, not Compel Everyone To Obey My View Of God’s Will By Legal Force.
I also find it interesting how no one has chastised Kim Davis for her refusal to turn away from the serious sin of gluttony. Had she been a similarly unrepentant homosexual everyone would be mentioning their disapproval of this moral failing in any public reference to her.
Btw, Kim Davis’ stand is contrary to Catholic Tradition.
The model for Catholic behavior in this situation was established by St. Thomas More. When King Henry the VIII declared himself head of the English Church, St. Thomas More spoke out against the King, but also resigned his position as Chancellor–knowing his successor would accept the King’s blasphemy. He did this due to his belief in the rule of law, recognizing as Augustine of Hippo before him that man’s law need not be identical to God’s law to demand rightful submission.
This is the OFFICIAL position of the Catholic Church –
resignation is NOT.
See Doctrine of the Faith – CCC 2242.
Kim Davis, however, was and elected official. Not only did she refuse to resign, she ordered clerks under her to defy the law.
Thus, she rejected the wisdom of catholic saints Augustine of Hippo and Thomas More–whose life choices were validated by God through no less than 3 miraculous interventions.
These are very valid points, Jon. Well said. But since Mrs Davis is not a Catholic I don’t think your insights are relevant in her case. I think this is more just a religious freedom question and the consequences of her decision, such as compelling others to submit to her decisions, are secondary. What should really be troubling you are the vicious death threats and obscene harrassment she’s enduring from homosexuals, just as so many others who have stood up to them have endured. Bullying and threatening to kill someone in a normal society would lead to jail time for the perpetrators, at the very least. This is just one more evil Christians must endure for our faith, as it is us who is persecuted rather than they. It speaks…
Certainly, expecting Kim Davis to know St. Thomas More’s history is a bit much to ask given that she is not a catholic. Nevertheless, his choices remain the most sound example of how to balance the conflicting duties to God’s law and man’s law.
Note, too, that both examples involve conflicts driven by marriage law.
Of course, Kim Davis receiving death threats is immoral. Yet, I believe this behavior is more about unpopularity than a referendum on religion. Athletes get death threats for blowing a play in the big game in our culture. Actors get death threats for unpopular public statements. It’s a mob behavior driven by anonymous communication methods and fame.
Thus, the death threat seem to me an aspect of pop culture more…
Nobody’s perfect.
CCC: ” DOCTRINE of the FAITH: – – – CCC: ” 2242 The citizen is obliged in conscience NOT to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel. Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God and serving the political community. “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” “We must obey God rather than men”: “
Canon 2422 does not empower Catholics to use a position of legal authority to compel OTHERS to act in conformity to God’s law, it only applies to your individual behavior.
Thus, Kim Davis could refuse to participate in a gay marriage, perhaps even refuse to issue a marriage certificate. But what she could not do is order her employees to refuse to issue marriage certificates.
SACRED SCRIPTURE is the “WORD of GOD” – not only to Catholics but OTHER Christians. (For Catholics see: CCC 97, 104, 105, 81, 102, 136 regarding ‘Sacred Scripture being the Word of God’.)
Anyone who “accurately” quotes Scripture and in the appropriate context is quoting the “Word of God”.
SACRED SCRIPTURE regarding homosexuals: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27;
1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
…she’s not on trial here for her own personal sins, which by the way, do not cry to heaven as does homosexuality. She is being forced to approve of this great sin, which is something liberals will never understand since their whole premise is that morality (or immorality, to be more precise) can be determined and enforced by the state. This issue demonstrates more than any other the absolute dichotomy of a conservative versus a liberal mind. There is NO compromise on this issue. There is God’s irrefutable Truth and there is man’s opinion based on ulterior and emotional reasons that have no basis of logic, Natural Law or even common sense…it’s all feelings and emotions with liberals, which means trying to debate with one is…
…like stepping into the ring to wrestle with a bowl of jello
Dana … Homosexuality is not a sin as far as the Catholic Church is concerned. Maybe in Kim’s Apostolic Christian Church but not in ours.
Now, now, C&H, you know what I meant. Let’s not quibble.
C & H – ALL those not VALIDLY married – single persons, civilly divorced, homosexuals – are all called to celibacy. No sexual activity.
Homosexual ACTS are a MORTAL SIN as is fornication, and adultery.
Check your Catholic Bible: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7; and the
“Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition” of 1997. CCC: # 2357, 2358, 2359, 2396.
The CCC contains the Doctrine of the Catholic Faith.
BAMN BAMN – Bash Men /Marriage, By Any Means Necessary is not just a tactic, but the party platform in the demicrat Misandry Machine of ‘Her Hillaryness’ …
She was a leader of the mob demanding former President Nixon’s head for offenses far less serious than those committed by Her or Her Disbarred Hubby (“I did Not, with that woman…”) who lost his law license for lying and other related stuff, as should ‘Herself’ lose Her License…
As if that could ever happen, given the nature of the ‘justice’ system in this age of abomination.
SEE
Christina Gupana, a Hillary campaign worker and Las Vegas attorney, was caught by Project Veritas Action journalists advising her fellow campaign workers to “do whatever you can, whatever…
Contd.
SEE
Christina Gupana, a Hillary campaign worker and Las Vegas attorney, was caught by Project Veritas Action journalists advising her fellow campaign workers to “do whatever you can, whatever you can get away with just do it.”
https://freedomoutpost.com/2015/09/hillary-clinton-campaign-workers-busted-on-video-bragging-about-breaking-election-law-whatever-you-can-get-away-with-just-do-it/#KkBwySyec1L2cebT.99
A non-profit organization that advocates for LGBTQ rights has a big message for Rowan County (Kentucky) clerk Kim Davis — a message that is the size of a billboard, to be exact.
Planting Peace erected a billboard in Davis’ hometown of Morehead, Ky., that reads: “Dear Kim Davis, The fact that you can’t sell your daughter for three goats and a cow means we’ve already redefined marriage.”
Aaron Jackson, president of Planting Peace, told USA TODAY that the intent of the billboard is to “expose how the anti-LGBT movement is selective in what rules to follow and how they choose to define ‘traditional’ institutions or values.”
…slain, like that poor secretary in Illinois who was murdered by a zzoopxye for her pro-marriage, Catholic views. It’s unbelievable how inhumane and unkind people of your stripe are to the little guy. Bullying is always the result of a weakness. Just like the bullies who ridicule homosexual men. It’s cruel.
Taken from Lifestyle News
“Levin, a Brooklyn rabbi with a weekly radio show who is the official spokesman for the 850-member Rabbinical Alliance of America told LifeSiteNews that Davis has received “a personal email from a very distinguished head of a rabbinical court in New Jersey court on behalf of 1500 Orthodox jewish families.”
“Kim Davis,” he said, “is giving us, the entire country, another opportunity to make a reckoning of what is happening here.” What’s happening, he said is “homo-fascist bullying.” He added, “This just has to be called out for what it is.”
continued….
continued from Lifesite News
“Rabbi Levin expressed his disappointment and concern in the millions of Americans who are silent at this crucial time when “we are already at the tipping point into the depths of Sodom.” Even Sodom, he added, “did not have the temerity and the chutzpah (as we say in Jewish) to codify same gender marriage. … As bad as they were and they were — destroyed because of sodomy — they nevertheless never codified same gender ‘marriage.’”
“God sends us messages and we should be paying attention, Rabbi Levin said, calling attention to current events he sees as warnings from heaven”
Homosexual acts have destroyed civilizations and have caused the ones who engaged in them to go to Hell. Up until the 20th Century this sin was considered very evil and grave. Today it is no longer considered a sin by many, including some in the hierarchy of the Church. Just wait until the Moslems take over and we shall see how they treat this vice. The Moslems are invading Europe, and America will be next.
JonJ, YFC (Your Fellow Catholic), and Bob One:
Catholics do not care what your personal opinions are.
When you post against the teaching of the Bible and/or the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” – you are encouraging people to go to Hell.
There will be a place in Hell for you if you keep this up.
We should encourage all people to live according to the Bible and the CCC whether they are Catholic or not.
Excuse me MAC,
I cited the example and choices of ST. THOMAS MORE, whose life choices have been validated by God through miraculous intervention.St. Thomas More resigned his position as Chancellor when he found he could not enforce the civil law. He did NOT attempt to use his position to enforce catholic doctrine using the mechanisms of civil law, against what he saw as incorrect civil law.
Thus, St. Thomas More has set the moral standard for public officials attempting to balance their duties to God and a morally defective legal system. His choice is theologically sound since Christ himself refrained from compelling obedience to his Word during His earthly ministry.
Thus MAC,
Like St Thomas More, Kim Davis’ moral duty is to resign since she cannot enforce the civil law due to her religious beliefs. Now, St. Thomas More continued to speak out against Henry the 8th, and ended getting executed for treason despite resigning his Chancellorship.
Kim Davis should do the same, and certainly any catholic should follow Sir Thomas More’s example.This site and the editors here are making a doctrinal error to contend otherwise.
I’m just curious, MAC, whether you think it would be OK for her to issue a second or third or fourth or fifth marriage license to a serial divorcee?
I’m guessing Kim Davis might have a different opinion about the job of a county clerk if she had been denied hers by a catholic clerk. In fact, since according to Catholic doctrine, she is currently living in an adulterous relationship, and she should abandon her later husbands and return forthwith to her first husband. Would you like to start a campaign to that effect?
She’s been divorced and remarried???
So much for her being the standard-bearer of “the sanctity of marriage.”
She has said nothing about that. She believes based on the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Patrick Buchanan is NOT a moron. He is a traditional Roman Catholic.
I beg to differ. Patrick Buchanan is a mercantilist, who believes in tariffs. He pretends to be for the poor working man, ignoring that free trade had been a boon for the poor in third world countries like the Philippines.
Again, with Kim Davis he ignores the catholic tradition set by St. Thomas More with regard to balancing conflicting duties between God’s law and man’s law. Likely his thinking is clouded by the desire for fame and prominence as a political pundit. Pat Buchanan is just another hypocrite mouthing Christian platitudes in his attempt to seize worldly political power like Pat Robertson and Ted Cruz.
Catholics need to beware getting taken in by such hucksters. The key is to recognize the Siren song of using doctrine…
Perhaps Pilar, you recall Patrick Buchanan citing negative balance of trade as a danger during the 2000 elections? This came at a time of the dot com era, when international venture capitalists flooded US markets with investment. Such circumstances make a negative balance of trade inevitable, and completely irrelevant as an indicator of economic health.
Either Buchanan was well aware of this fact, and thus KNEW he was lying in an attempt to seize the Presidency based on a populist lie. Or, Buchanan is an economic moron. Thus, I choose the more charitable belief that he’s stupid.
On another topic, a U.S. reporter referred to the Kentucky county clerk, Kim Davis, who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple because of her religious beliefs. The reporter asked Pope Francis to comment on the discussions in the United States regarding religious liberty and its possible limits
Pope Francis said he had no idea of the specific case, but he insisted that “conscientious objection is a right — it is a human right.” If some rights can be denied in certain circumstances, he said, then it would turn into a situation where people were determining some human rights were more important than others.
When asked further about the county clerk, the pope said since the official was a human being then that official…
It is clear that Pope Francis had no idea about the case, about US Law, about the fact that she was elected after marriage had already been overturned in a federal court. Yes that’s right: the local federal district court had already ruled that not issueing marriage licenses to same sex couples was unconstitutional when she ran for office.
Kim Davis could have expressed her conscientious objection by resigning. Instead, she decided to waste taxpayer dollars litigating and relitigating (and litigating a third time) the fact that she wants to impose her own religious idea of law onto her county.