The following comes from a Sept. 11 story on CBS/LA.
A Ventura County high school principal has barred a booster club from selling a popular fast-food sandwich on campus because of the chain’s position on gay marriage.
Ventura High School Principal Val Wyatt told the Ventura County Star that the football booster club could not sell Chick-fil-A sandwiches at Wednesday’s back-to-school night because the restaurant’s beliefs could offend some students and their parents.
“With their political stance on gay rights and because the students of Ventura High School and their parents would be at the event, I didn’t want them on campus,” Wyatt told the newspaper.
Every principal has the discretion to invite community groups or businesses onto their campuses.
“We value inclusivity and diversity on our campus and all of our events and activities are going to adhere to our mission,” Ventura Unified School District Superintendent Trudy Tuttle Arriaga said.
The chain’s now deceased owner, S. Truett Cathy, is known nationally for his conservative Christian beliefs, and his son and now-president of the company, Dan T. Cathy, has publicly expressed being against gay marriage.
The booster club expected to raise about $1,600 for the football team as the Ventura Chick-fil-A restaurant volunteered to donate the 200 meals. The Ventura location has already donated $21,000 to Ventura schools.
The club helps pay for everything from food to uniforms for the players and does not charge students to play football. Michelle Cisneros and her daughter say they were so outraged by the principal’s decision, they complained to the school officials.
“Everybody is embraced,” Cisneros said. “And Chick-fil-A should have been allowed to be here.”
But student Graham Wallace says he agrees with his principal’s decision.
“There are gay kids that go to our school, and for them it might be kind of weird,” he said.
Chick-fil-A is not being banned from donating, however. The football booster club will be selling tickets for meals, right off campus, when school is not in session.
To read original story, click here.
Remember when sodomites just wanted to be left alone, and nothing more? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites just wanted to be allowed to serve in the military, and nothing more? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites just wanted to be able to serve openly in the military, and nothing more? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites said, “Just give us ‘civil unions’ for our filthy perverted lifestyle choice, we don’t want to get ‘married’”? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites said, “Just allow us to marry so we can have the same property rights as heterosexual married couples, we don’t want anything more”? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites said, “Just allow us to adopt boys, like heterosexual married couples do, we don’t want anything more”? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites said, “Just allow us into the Boys Scouts, like heterosexuals are allowed, we don’t want anything more”? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when our boys could play outside all day without fear of being kidnapped and raped by sodomites who, though only 2% of the population, make up 33% of all child sex abusers? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Remember when sodomites said, “We are a loving and tolerant and open people, we will always respect others’ different views and never impose our filthy perverted lifestyle on others”? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Wow. Third time is a charm.
hahaha lol Juergensen you are funny, love your humor. I know you may nag me for this but what does it mean by “when Pepperidge farms remembers?” Sounds good though.
Well this principle is a jerk if you ask me. Giving out the wrong message to its students by boycotting this food chain, he is imposing his views not respecting freedom of speech nor respecting any person of faith either. His view point is more towards acceptance of sodomy than honoring what is decent and whole. As if “gay” is now a race not a sexual disorder. Look what the story tellers have done, they created this monster mentality. We have a dragon to kill folks, this dragon is wicked and evil and powerful. Will all people of faith stand up together to fight this dragon? Stand up against it?
People who embrace wickedness knowingly are wicked. Call it what it really is and lets stop sugar coating things.
Pepperidge Farms sugar coats things.
Pepperidge Farms (you’ve had Milano cookies, right?) used to have commercials on TV based on the theme “Pepperidge Farm Remembers”. The sodomites on this board know exactly what I’m talking about. Here is a video:
Thanks juergensen. I will look at it.
“People who embrace wickedness knowingly are wicked. Call it what it really is and lets stop sugar coating things.”
“We have a dragon to kill folks, this dragon is wicked and evil and powerful. Will all people of faith stand up together to fight this dragon? Stand up against it?”
Yes. But let us not be afraid of where the dragon lurks so that we may slay him and all his kin.
“I only answer to Jesus and don’t think that YOUR WAY is THE way.”
Abeca, You’re pride and you’re emotions are once again getting the better of you. Abeca, Pope Francis apparently does not think that *YOUR NAME CALLING ‘ is the Christlike way to treat brothers and sisters in Christ. Especially your fellow Catholics. If Pope Francis can call Tony Palmer (RIP) a “bother bishop” then it logically stands to reason that something is inconsistent here. Either the Pope is wrong for calling Tony Palmer a “brother bishop” or you are wrong for calling fellow Catholics names like schismatic and YOU are not following the charitable example of the Pope. Watch both videos and listen to the Pope’s own words. That is certainly not how you have treated Ann Malley.
Pope Francis never once calls them names. Abeca, Charity and unity begins at home.
I just happened to come across these two videos tonight and I think it was no accident. Have you seen these? Could you please click the link and watch both of these and let me know your thoughts. God Bless!
You were complimented for openly rejecting the sugar coating that often glosses over sin and scandal, Abeca. Your statement against such nonsense was clear and unmistakable. And that is good for very oftenn our writing doesn’t always give the impression we intend.
You also write, “I am not here for any agenda’s or agendas against the church but I am doing my best, as a Catholic to live my faith and to share what the Lord has shown to me through His church and through His people who are faithful to Rome, fighting the good fight as best as I know how.”
So are a good many others, Abeca. That said, you are not alone in your singular focus.
Abeca Christian, I am sure you know that the dilemma Catherine presented to you is not logical. Not only is it a false choice, in which the two positions are not really the only two options, but these two things are not really even related. I hope she didn’t confuse you. I am wondering if she is really that confused herself. Obviously, the Pope using the term (in an English translation) “brother bishop” is not an ordination, but just a word of respect and humility. I have noticed in the last few weeks that the word “schismatic” seems to be causing Catherine some consternation. That term seems to be greatly misunderstood and used wrongly by many. I don’t think that you misused it. There are schismatics who post here. Most of them admit it although they do not usually refer to themselves by that term. Catherine used to defend the Faith but I think one poster has confused her with her ideas of false ecumenism and her lies about the Church. Catherine is very vulnerable to those things. Please pray for her and for those who lead her astray.
False humility is no humility, but deception. For it is the office that holds the import with regard to Church hierarchy, not the person. That is why much of this self assertion that makes those in the hierarchy act in a very singular fashion – outside the precepts of the office which is intended by its very nature to lead and define and protect – is anything but humble. A country priest should not take on the aspects of a Bishop and, in many instances, a Bishop is not at liberty to take on the daily habits and ways of a country priest despite it sounding humble. Much like a parent, despite having access to cars, cash, and credit cards, is not at liberty to behave in a childish manner for it gives rise to scandal if not the question – what is wrong with Mom? We are all bound by our state in life.
As to Catherine’s proposal, it is highly logical, just not liked by those who would rather pursue the status quo and feel good. And that has nothing to do with what ‘others’ have said, but rather what is shown in action by those in positions of authority who are using that authority in rather singular, if not highly confusing and scandalous ways.
It does seem rather odd, however, that what the Church has always defined as ‘heretic’ is no longer applicable. I believe Pope Emeritus Benedict indicated that the ‘phenomenon’ is something as yet undefined because Protestants are somehow connected to Catholics. That said, Anonymous, I do not see how you can adhere to the term ‘schismatic’ when referring to Traditional Catholic communities that accept the Pope as the Pope, and adhere to every Catholic teaching save the ambiguity that would leave the above unclear. That is a contradiction. And an open question to you.
So you may accuse others of leading people astray if you’d like, but that will not dismiss the confusing example and often scandalous inconsistency coming from Church leadership. So of course “Brother Bishop” is not an ordination. Nobody said it was. Rather the term gives the intimation that the other individual would not need to be ordained or conditionally ordained as they are already in ‘communion’. That is the confusion.
So where are the lies, Anonymous? Where is the false ecumenism? I am not feigning communion with non-Catholics. Are you? Why are you so afraid to confront and answer the inconsistencies that are placed before you by Church hierarchy? You may warn Abecca all you’d like, but that will not make the realities behind the ‘stories’ disappear. If only.
Please pray for Church leadership as in so doing many of the so-called stories and lies will – poof – disappear. But I suppose Shepherds behaving like Shepherds is too much to ask.
Catherine, I’m of the mind that Our Lord’s prayer to the Father for unity within His Church was already answered and persists in being answered by the very existence of the Catholic Church that ascribes to one Faith.
This modern construct of those within the Catholic Church having to work toward a future unity that hasn’t occurred yet is misleading. I do not adhere to the idea that the Catholic Church must somehow morph the word of God and the teachings of the Church as they have been passed down to create unity. As if ‘we’ have the power to grant Our Lord’s prayer, when the Father has already given us the Church and the fullness of Truth in answer.
Some may believe that is elitist, but in truth, since the Church and the Faith, doesn’t come from us, but rather from God, I think it’s walking a dangerous line to intimate that we can ‘create’ unity where it doesn’t exist. Especially when we’re commanded to keep the Faith and told to go out and spread it. Not amend it.
That’s why I try to opt to reawaken unity within the Catholic Church, that is the dispelling of false notions that erroneously divide that which is truly united in the Mystical Body. The more Catholics adhere to the actual Faith in all its fullness, the more attractive the Catholic Church will become – not because of what “we” are doing, but rather because of what Our Lord will use us to accomplish if only we trust Him and what He has already given us. Without fear of being labeled elitist, proud, narrow-minded, stubborn or whatever.
That said, I’ve only watched the video with the Holy Father’s shorter talk, but will get back to you with regard to the longer video. Thank you for sending the links.
Ann Malley,you have denounced the Catholic Church and the Pope often on this website. I cannot believe that you just accused the Pope of false humility. Your understanding that the office holds the import, not the person, is a distortion of Catholic teaching on the Papacy. The Pope is the successor of Peter, the head of the Apostles. The person who becomes Pope does not have the authority and the infallibility of the Pope until he takes the office and, having resigned, a Pope like Benedict XVI also resigns his authority and infalliblity, but once Pope, it is the person who has the authority and infalliblity.
I will not debate your contention that Catherine’s dilemma is logical. It is ridiculous. As to who led her astray, if the shoe fits…
I am glad to see that you at least understand that you are confused. Your confusion stems from your self-reliance on interpreting all things Catholic according to your own set of standards. Of course, calling a bishop in another Christian community a “brother bishop” does not imply that that community is in communion with the Catholic Church or that there is no need for ordination. It is a ridiculous assertion that could only be made by someone with little understanding of Catholic doctrine. You also should study up on the definition of heretic. Your post indicates that you think the definition of heretic has changed. It hasn’t. Again your lack of understanding is tripping you up and causing you to trip up others. (Hint: someone who has never been Catholic cannot be a heretic.) You seem to have much difficulty in understanding and you are, as you admit, confused. Rather than jump to a conclusion that is faulty, why not learn more about the faith? You make a lot of faulty judgments that are just plain silly and unlearned.
Catherine, I have only watched half of the full length video and have to double down on my previous response. The intimation that Catholics who hold the actual Faith and believe it needing to be evangelized by non-Catholics is contradictory – and, to me, dishonest. Especially in light of the supposed behind-the-scenes story of Tony Palmer (RIP) wanting all the while to be Catholic.
If Catholics have become tepid it is due, again in my view, to the intentional downplaying over the years of what the actual Faith means and holds true in addition to the political downplaying of the Kingship of Christ.
That said, I have evangelical relatives who state quite plainly that they believe that the Catholics have it right – specifically, that Our Lord IS present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, in the Eucharist. But they are convinced that there are ‘other’ gifts as well and that is why they remain outside the Catholic Church. (They prefer the ‘healing’ and ‘speaking in tongues’ experience.) The focus on ‘feeling’ the slaying in the Spirit and other such phenomenon is also, in my view, contrary to the teachings of St. Theresa of Avila who actively prayed to be led by the simple road – as the high road of mystical ‘experience’ is fraught with that which can be and often is very misleading.
God bless and thank you again for your logical and Christ-centered approach.
Your understanding of what constitutes denouncement is about as clear as your understanding of the separating of the person from the office, Anonymous.
The new interpretation regarding heresy and Protestants comes from Pope Emeritus Benedict. You may want to do some reading outside CCD. “…The conclusion is inescapable, then: Protestantism today is something different from heresy in the traditional sense, a phenomenon whose true theological place has not yet been determined.” stated by Cardinal” Joseph Ratzinger, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88
That said, it is not the Pope who calls himself humble, but rather the press that misinterprets his actions as such. So it is no denouncement of the Holy Father to say that acting in a manner that calls attention to oneself is not truly defined as humility.
God bless you just the same.
…and Anonymous, you may want to look at the shoe fitting you with regard to your complete lack of charity and willful misconstruing of the intentions of those you should be evangelizing.
If you do not have the capacity to answer the objections and very real questions concerning that which is confusing with regard to how the Faith is practiced, the polite and truly humble attitude would be to step down. Not attack the one asking the questions and raising honest questions.
Perhaps you could seek council from your priest about how to approach those who are rightfully dismayed by the confusing aspects of those who claim to hold the Truth and yet seek to be evangelized by those who do not hold the Truth. I, for one, would be very interested in what your pastor has to say on the subject.
I tried to make a response that was patient and charitable. Your answers prove that you do not understand the meaning of heresy, just like I said. (Even when I gave you the big hint.) Your quote from Pope Benedict does not change the definition of heresy. But you don’t understand that because you probably have in your head a mistaken notion of what heresy is.
What more can I say? You mis-define words and you misinterpret writings and you build a eccesiological theory that is heretical on those misinterpretations.
You are confusing yourself by not reading the Catechism and whatever Church documents apply to what you are studying. What you are trying to understand is not over your head, you just need to put in the time to understand it. Logical fallacies such as black and white thinking and all or nothing thinking seem to play into your criticisms of the Church, also. I am trying to be charitable by telling you. I’m sorry if you wanted it sugar coated and delivered by a dancing bear. That is condescension not charity. I didn’t say these things in my first post because I was trying to be ultra-kind. I am not trying to be unkind now. Your answers to my post makes it seem like you don’t really take it seriously and you made no attempt to do anything but criticize the person who dared to challenge you.
But at least you admitted that you need evangelizing.
Do you know the difference between Protestantism as heresy and Protestants as heretics?
Baby steps indeed, Anonymous. Your sugar coated, dancing bear diversion shows your need to learn how to not only think logically, but how to transmit the Faith in a cohesive manner that precludes the ‘just because I said so’ or the ‘because ‘I’ am in full communion’ tack. And when I say cohesive, I mean connecting the current dots with the dots of what came before VII.
That may work for you in somehow believing that you now share some as yet undefined communion with those who embrace heresy – although they are no longer ‘technically’ heretics – but I choose to go with what the Church has always taught. (Perhaps in time, the phenomenon of keeping the Faith as it has been passed down will be something you can no longer term schismatic. Who knows?)
Again, you may want to seek the advice of your pastor to let him discern whether or not you have been gifted with the charism to evangelize in this forum. Perhaps he can review our dialogue and kindly inform you of the areas in which you need improvement. That is not dismissal because of your supposed correction, but rather a plea for you to actually give me something concrete and logical with which base even a consideration of changing my viewpoint.
In this venue and with this target, a resounding ‘no’ is your answer. Not because of me not caring, but rather due to the lack of logic in what you present as compared with the time held teachings of the Catholic Church. Even so, thank you for your effort at kindness, but it would be much appreciated if you would give me the same quarter instead of casting me in the part of the villain. Doing as much won’t earn you any points.
God bless you and be well.
If that made your ego feel better…
God bless you too.
Ann Malley, it is your duty as an adult Catholic to know the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If you have not read it and accepted it, please do so. Anonymous is not responsible to do it for you.
There is nothing enjoyable in watching you flail about, Anonymous. Seek the help of your priest in this matter, please. Or at the very least, try to dispel your idea that our dialogues are about you vs me. If you become locked in that mentality, you miss the entire point of dialogue…and are not working toward spreading ‘the’ Faith, but rather just ‘your’ ideas.
Sorry for feeding the troll. 12 posts about nothing relevant to the article.
Waste of time.
7ups, it is Anonymous’s obligation to know the Catechism and to speak to it credibly *if* he/she desires to assume the role of catechist. That is why I wish he/she would check in with the pastor to review their technique and understanding. For knowledge minus understanding is rather ineffective..
Ann Malley, I don’t think Anonymous was trying to catechize you.
Like I am going to waste my pastor’s time asking him about how to talk to an internet troll.
Ann Malley, Thank you for your response. I agree with what you have written. Also, there is a book titled “Hear My Confession” by Father Joseph E. Orsini. This book describes what happen to this priest when he became involved in the Charismatic movement. This priest wrote about how he became too consumed with the chasing and focusing on signs and wonders to the detriment of fulfilling his duties as a Catholic priest. This priest’s story confirms what you posted.
Also I thought it would be good to discuss this Boston Globe article regarding Pope Francis and Tony Palmer.
Pope’s Protestant friend dies, but push for unity lives
” Palmer and Bergoglio had intense discussions about Christian separation, using the analogy of apartheid in South Africa. They found common ground in believing that institutional separation breeds fear and misunderstanding. Bergoglio, whom Palmer called “Father Mario,” acted as a spiritual father to the Protestant cleric, calming him (“he wanted to make me a reformer, not a rebel,” Palmer told me) and encouraging him in his mission to Christian unity.
“At one point, when Palmer was tired of living on the frontier and wanted to become Catholic, Bergoglio advised him against conversion for the sake of the mission.”
“We need to have bridge-builders”, the cardinal told him.”
continued from September 19, 2014 at 1:35 pm
Ann Malley, A few years ago our pastor (who promoted Legion of Mary work) met a woman who belonged to an Evangelical Church. Her entire family lived on the Evangelical church grounds. This woman wanted to become a Catholic so she could receive the the Blessed Sacrament or the “true communion”. These were her own words. “I would give anything to receive Jesus……you Catholics have the “true communion.” The priest brought her into the Catholic Church while she was completely bedridden. The entire Evangelical church community was aware that she became a Catholic. Our pastor did not ask this woman to wait until she had influenced the rest of the Evangelicals who were very much aware of her desire for conversion. I do not know if that report in the Boston Globe is accurate but it certainly did not sound right to suggest that one person should holds back on their own private conversion in order to influence the rest who were not asking at that time to become Catholic. The reasons this would be wrong are obvious. First, it would be wrong to tell someone to wait until the whole group is influenced. Next, Tony Palmer died during the hope of future “bridge building”. Perhaps the Boston Globe story is not accurate but if it IS true then the great commission was denied to Tony Palmer when he asked to become a Catholic. Our pastor did not wait. This woman was instructed in the faith and then she was able to go to confession and receive the Blessed Sacrament. This woman died very prepared several months later and she died as a believing and practicing Catholic who had been given the sacred privilege of receiving Jesus in Holy Communion.
continued from September 19, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Tony Palmer died unexpectedly and if this Boston Globe story is true, then I do not understand the logic of why he was told to wait. Yes, it does sound as if Tony Palmer loved Jesus as much as the Evangelical woman but Tony Palmer had an unprovided death and it seems that something is amiss here. Pope Francis got tears in his eyes when Tony Palmer talked about the separation of faith between his wife’s Catholic Faith and Tony’s Evangelical Faith. This is why the Pope said he was reaching out from the heart. If we follow the Pope’s example then it logically stands to reason that we should also charitably dialogue with our own brothers and sisters in Christ who did not leave due to a misunderstanding, they were deliberately scattered by wolves. If you notice Our Lord places the “woe to you” on the wolves, and not a “woe to you” on the sheep who were scattered. Pope Francis certainly shows heartfelt charity so we all need to be as united in charity when we reach out to anyone who has been scattered, no different than the Pope’s charitable example in that video. The question is, did this charity fall short because Tony died before “the bridge building mission” was accomplished. This is why it is so important to remember Our Lord’s prayer and desire for unity. If the Pope shows this much sweetness and charity to Protestants then how much more charity would Our Lord want us to treat one another when trying to unite as one.
“That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. “
“…Ann Malley, I don’t think Anonymous was trying to catechize you.” You are correct, 7up, Anonymous actually seems rather to be tooting his/her own superiority horn.
If the idea were to spread the Faith then the following, “Like I am going to waste my pastor’s time asking him about how to talk to an internet troll,” would be absurd.
Thank you for revealing your glass catechism, Anonymous. That is not the CCC, but rather the catechism you ‘think’ you know. Either way, I’d suggest you see the priest to determine your purity of intention. Otherwise, you’re calling yourself a troll. BRAVO!
God bless you just the same.
Thanks for getting back, Catherine. Pray, trust, and stick to Tradition is where it’s at for me.
Church issues aside, times are pretty off when a legitimate sandwich shop is kept from donating to help a kids group for fear of offending those who advocate for the normalization of sodomy.
Looks like Alinskyites have infiltrated the sodomite movement too.
Wow it looks like the editor didn’t allow my replies to go through for Ann Malley and Catherine. Well its too bad, Well such is life. And I was trying to be be charitable.
Catherine to sum it up, I don’t care what your opinion is nor of Ann Malley’s. You both are in great need of admonishment! Good luck with your ill assumption I could care less. = ) Your in God’s hands and in my prayers.
Why not be charitable, Abeca, instead of just trying. That said, you may want to check with your priest, the one who you indicated watches your posts here on CCD, with regard to your own need for guidance.
God bless and be well.
O Almighty and Everlasting God, who hast compassion on all, and wouldst not that any should perish: favourably look down upon all those who are seduced by the deceit of Satan; that the hearts of such as err may repent and return to the unity of thy truth. We make this prayer through Christ our Lord. Amen.
Former Catholics really shouldn’t be telling faithful Catholics what to do and trying to make it look like they need guidance in the Faith.
Catholics should behave as if they actually do understand the Faith in its fullness instead of taking personal offense as if ‘they’ are deserving of a gold star for faithfulness. The Catholic Faith is not something of our own creation, friend.
Beware of making idols.
“The Catholic Faith is not something of our own creation, friend.”
that’s not just a baby step. That is huge for you.
God bless you.
Ann Malley, you are not making any sense. You seem to be saying things that you hope will sting people, but they don’t because they are so far from reality. Some of us who follow the teachings of the Catholic Church have tried to inform you of your errors-in charity. You have made it very plain that you have no desire to attend the Catholic Church or to accept the Catholic Faith as it is taught in the Catholic Church. You have found a place of worship which provides you with what you desire and we all have to respect your free will. Some people occasionally will try again, but I think most people either ignore you or have given up on you. I count myself among the latter. Your offensive posts occasionally merit a rebuttal, but most of the time they are vague enough that people just let them go. There will be disagreements, but your conversations are never honest and are never respectful and are never even conversations. You just attack people when they point out your errors. If you had answered the question about Protestantism, then we would have an idea that you were sincere. Since Tony Palmer’s ideas on the Church are very similar to yours (although his criteria was probably different) I think that Catherine’s point is well made. But Tony Palmer’s idea on the Church are not shared by the Pope or the Church. They are contrary to Church teaching, but they can be a precursor to inclusion in the True Faith.
God bless you and all your family.
Anonymous, if you had any intention of actual dialogue or charity with regard to me or my family, you would give yourself a name for the purpose of identification. Since you do not, I can only ascribe your haphazard attempts at seemingly orthodox instruction or admonishment as precisely that – haphazard – and directed, although you may not realize as much, at bolstering your own sense of righteousness. You also contradict yourself at every turn. You should read your own posts as you respond exhaustively while stating that you do not.
That said, you have no notion outside your own biased assessments with regard to my understandings aligning with Tony Palmer (RIP). Your persistent intimation of what you believe regarding my fidelity to the Faith is precisely that, *your* estimations. And sir/ma’am, you are no judge for your unwillingness to weigh and even view that which is put before your five senses represents a gross negligence of God’s gifts to you. You are a person of intellect and will, not deaf, dumb, blind and lobotomized.
Although stating ‘never’ honest and ‘never’ respectful calls you out for what you are – dishonest and in the dark about your own shortcomings.
God help you with that.
@Charles A. Your bias is well known as is the bias of others when thinking themselves above correction or guidance in their understanding and practice of the Faith. Especially those who advertise themselves as being in full communion while displaying unmitigated blind spots with regard to their own shortcomings and their own misdiagnosis of what is beyond their station to judge.
Honesty with regard to self examination is a good place to start and, in that, we all fall short. Despite the cockerel like posturing of so-called faithful faithful. That includes you, Charles A, for your opinion is just that.
Ann Malley, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
God bless and reward you in your conversion efforts, Anonymous. Again, you may want your pastor to review your posts for purity of intention and perhaps a touch of idolatry – your intimation previously that such an inquiry would be time wasted is a real shame as you know not what you do.
Ann Malley, you falsely accuse people. Idolatry? For remaining steadfast in the faith! For upholding all Church teachings!!!!!
You are not beyond conversion although obviously it will take a divine intervention.
Yes, Charles, the Holy Ghost does provide the guidance to discern. Unfortunately your bias is not limited to the stirrings of the Holy Ghost, but looks rather like an attempt to maintain the holy narrative that others have created around themselves. And yet those ‘holy ones’ who shake the cyber-fist and state that others are in such need of admonishment reject the notion of admonishment themselves. And no human being is all that outside Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin.
Call that making things up as I go along, Charles, but if you cannot grasp that, then you will never grasp what I write. And yet the object of your defense seems to be shifting gears on other threads, finally coming to the realization that the Church hierarchy on all levels needs to be looked at critically with regard to teaching the Faith whole and entire – as Christ is the Head of the Church. And it is to Him that we owe our undying fealty.
And that, Charles, has been the crux of the majority of my posts. So good on ya! The message has finally gotten though.
I do not understand your desire to hurt others.
I understand your desire to worship at a place that you trust, that you enjoy, where you feel spiritually nourished.
I am sorry that the Catholic Church could not meet those needs. I am sorry that you have so much anxiety and anger toward the Catholic Church.
I hope you can forgive the Church for disappointing you. I do not know if you will ever rejoin our Communion. I pray that you will and that you will be able to lead your family back as well.
I understand that many things in the Church and about the Church are not comprehensible to you.
Many have encouraged you to study the Faith and I join with them.
Many schismatics (oh-bad word) and others post here. Some of them attack the Church and the hierarchy and some of them are offensive but they do not attack the Catholics who post here. They know they are posing on a Catholic website and that most will not agree with them.
i will continue to pray for you. I will not encourage your errors by responding directly to your posts.
Sometimes a person exploits another’s weakness, not out of malice, but because they have the very same weakness.
When another comes along and says “you can be stronger” that person is seen as a threat.
” I think that some just do not want to post their regular name because they know how you and Catherine can get. ”
You don’t play fair. I defended you a while back when several posters cheered and made mean remarks at the thought of you perhaps not posting anymore. I was disappointed that the cheers were posted. I did not feel that you deserved those mean comments. Now, stop fighting with your own. Your husband even came on to thank me for defending you so once again please stop fighting with your own. Ann Malley is not instigating things. You are.
Abeca, I have no ill will toward you, but rather take issue with your perpetually casting my intentions/motives as ‘ill will’ of some sort or unfaithfulness or not ‘keeping my eye on Jesus’ as you like to intimate that you always do. IOW: You speak of your own love and fidelity while persistently dismissing the same in others, as if you alone are inspired or are receptive to grace.
You also falsely accuse me and others on a regular basis of ‘story telling’ or attempting to lead folks into schism or ‘away from Our Lord’. When called to account for these false accusations, you turn then and accuse others of being mean while touting your fidelity and persecution. You play dumb. And yet the stories are right here on CCD. Look to what is currently happening to Cardinal Burke. Catherine and I aren’t making that up.
So no, nobody is attempting to slander YOU. You are not the issue. But when your buddies – whoever they are – attempt to dismiss the voice of those who would call out “Beware” for love of God and the Faith only to have you ascribe what they say to story telling because of a personal miff, that I take issue with that.
And yes, I understand what I’m speaking against – be it an Anonymous or you or Charles A or YFC – it is the ‘I am holy and have the Holy Spirit’ used to denounce anyone who openly calls notice to beware of what is happening inside our Beloved Church.
And Abeca, your ‘this one seems to be charitable to you’ means nothing to me coming from you. For this person’s perceived charity is the same blind parroting, useful dupe without thought or understanding attitude that has led to the rampant corruption we have in the Church today.
Innocent as a dove perhaps, but not wise as the serpent …. or watchful.
That said, statements from Anonymous such as, “…I do not understand your desire to hurt others,” is not based on the desire to understand, but rather the closed minded, limited perspective that chooses not to see and not understand.
But you finally stated, thank goodness, that we should be wary of Popes, priests, nuns etc that do no teach the Faith. That we should protect our children and teach them the faith etc. And that, dear Abecca, despite your insistence to misconstrue my posts, is exactly my point in just about everything I write. Whether you care or not is immaterial. That’s not why I post.
Anonymous, one should be cautious, even when they are in supposed full communion, of making an idol of their own seeming faithfulness…. and their ability to determine the faith of another. Again, no need to jump to conclusions or excessive exclamation points. If you don’t understand, ask and I’ll explain.
Thank you Ann Malley for posting the link. The video that was posted on Father Z’s blog is edifying. May God bless those families for their sacrifice. It is so inspirational to see this public act of reparation to Our Lord shown by so many Catholics who traveled to Oklahoma to stand up against such evil. If this kind of evil is now openly welcomed at Civic Centers then may God have mercy on our entire world.
…and yet there are still detractors, Catherine. But so be it. God’s will be done in His way and in His time. A consistent, unrelenting Faith and Catholic practice will see us through.
As a Catholic parent and grandparent, I’m not ‘feelin’ the love.’ I believe I am diverse from others in my morals (I strongly believe that gay marriage as mortally sinful), but for some reason I am not feeling ‘included’. What is Val going to do to make me feel less offended by the sodomites? I’m not sure I could handle coming to this fund raiser if I wasn’t “comfortable”.
Hey Val: I guess it just comes down to who you want to offend and who you want to welcome. You have made the wrong choice. As a Catholic I would take my children/grandchildren out of your school!
Don’t sell any chicken or beef products!
After all, it might offend the vegetarians! :)
All I can say is this: I teach in a Catholic school, and my kids will hear that sodomy and related vices are mortal sins that cast into Hell, if unrepented. As for what goes one outside: it rapidly passes beyond me, except through prayer.
Children learn not only from hearing but by example.
Tolerating mortal sin is never acceptable if you love your neighbor as commanded by Jesus. True love is wanting them to get to Heaven for eternity.
Unfortunately children also learn from bad school administrators and bad politicians, and the secular media – computers, ipads, etc.
Children don’t stop learning when they leave the classroom.
You must have superiors in position who are still Catholic. I know too many such as you who were shown the proverbial door by the Church of Nice Aparatchics!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Kenneth M. Fisher
We should all eat at “Chick-fil-A” to offset the evil boycotts in favor of Mortal Sin.
Christians must tell Ventura High School Principal Val Wyatt that his actions are very very offensive. :(
My name is “Linda Maria,” similar to yours! I am a lifelong animal lover, and vegetarian! I would not eat a Chick Fil-A sandwich– but if I were in their shoes, I’d go and enjoy this event, anyway– and eat something else! I think this high school principal has no proper Christian morals, and a big misunderstanding, of this silly situation! Chick Fil-A does not promote cruelty to gays, at all! They simply promote Christianity, and Christian morality! What if the school had wanted to provide food for this event, from a big company, owned by a Jew, or Asian Buddhist?? What if everyone liked the food? What if a Middle Eastern student from a country that practices polygamy, was “offended,” at the Christian Chick Fil-A?? What if they had pork sandwiches– and “offended” both orthodox Jews, and Muslims?? This situation is just ridiculous! At this sports event– they all just want to have a good time! Everyone knows– you simply have to make decisions– and can’t please everyone!
Students and Families should stop at Chick-fil-A prior to the game.
And bring their dinner/snack with them to games and other functions – with the bag showing advertising for Chick-fil-A.
Boycott the Booster Club.
Never tolerate or support a sinful lifestyle.
Did Val ever think that there WILL be people in attendance who do NOT agree with the gay agenda? What about their beliefs? I guess the people’s beliefs who oppose the gay agenda don’t matter. Come on, Val! Let’s NOT assume everybody in your school falls for the perverted gay agenda!
Right RR. There are plenty of bigots that need to be catered to as well.
Right Peter…That’s why the homofascists need to be catered to as well. Their intolerance and hate knows no bounds…..
Peter: You sarcastically calling me a bigot because I don’t approve of sodomy? Big deal! So you called me a bigot. BOOHOO! Sticks and stones, remember? In calling me a bigot for not approving of the mortally sinful sin of sodomy you have called Christ a bigot. Christ and His Church has said that sodomy is an abomination! Homosexual sex IS AN ABOMINATION! Christ was called many names also when He suffered the unimaginable crucifixion and death on the cross. So, you calling calling me a bigot is nothing compared to what Christ went through before being crucified and put to death by people who opposed and didn’t believe in Him. God help you!
Oh, and by the way, I am going to go get Chick-fil-A for dinner tonight! Yum!
Yikes! That was a bee’s nest.
Peter: A few stings by some bees in a bee’s nest is NOTHING compared to the fires of hell for an eternity! Repent and fall on your knees before it is too late!
peter RR is not a bigot nor any of us who detest immoral sins….now if you want the truth….there is one true bigotry today and that is the anti-Christian bigotry going around by people like this principal.
Peter Says. are you saying that Catholics that don’t condone or advocate sin are bigots?
It’s not supposed to make any sense, it is, afterall, the world we have to maneuver around in. Make sure you’re wearing that armor spoken of in Scripture. As long as you are clothed in it, you’ll be okay. (I notice that the school will allow Chik-Fil-A to donate all the money they want, but not publically acknowledge how happy they are to take it.)
Yes life lady…just like Jehovah witnesses, they don’t celebrate Christmas but they sure accept gifts.
Recollect the story about the frog being put into the cold water in the pot and the water sloooooowly heated – not noticing the heat until it is eventually boiled to death? That is what is deviously happening to our society by homosexuals and those in collusion – the heat is ON, and few are paying any attention.
Some of my family and I go to Chick Fil A all the time when we are near there, and sometimes go out of our way to get there. Great food. good service and clean. The workers are of many different ethic groups, races and religions and understand English quite well, and perhaps other languages too. The customers are from a multitude of ethnic groups, races and religions also. No one seems to care that the owner or owners support the traditional heterosexual families that others want to destroy. In fact that is why many of us go there. When the LBGT groups boycotted the place, it was packed, inside and out with people buying from the menu.
Actually some in the LGBT community demonstrated outside the place, but it had no affect on the customers. We stood our ground, and the more they heckled us the more people came. They were far out numbered.
It is very sad, that so many famous, traditional American businesses, support immorality, and gay ” marriage!” Very few support traditional Judeo-Christian morality, and good family values– even Walt Disney’s company! Vey shocking! I believe it is the responsibility of the churches, to get busy with the practice of true Christianity, and make a huge moral and religious reform, for America! And all of our Catholic bishops, should get busy with the Pope, to start a massive Church reform, for the practice of true Catholicism! Time to enforce the Code of Canon Law, as well as true religious and moral practice, and excommunicate the “Nancy Pelosi”-type of bad politicians! Turn to God, as the Church used to, and forget politics and worldly social activism, devoid of God, which only became popular after Vatican II!! Plus, put the Pro-Life Movement right back into the Church, with constant teaching and preaching, about morality, a good moral conscience, Christian Marriage as a Sacrament, virginity before Marriage, modesty, leading a virtuous life, no birth control or abortion, and respect for God!
I was at the ‘Chick Fil-A’ support rally and standing in the line for the ‘buy in’ in 2012 – where TV ‘Media Personality’ Caesar Flickerman (see Hunger Games) aka mark matthews strode up and down the line and bullied his way past it…
– whenever he saw a camera angle that made him look good – while Trashing the peaceful Buy-In and all those who dared Fail to Pander to the Age of Abomination and its 900 Lb Mozila Gaystapo Gorilla stomp and grind tactics.
“Freedom from Speech
Freedom for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) president Greg Lukianoff
“Freedom From Speech,” a 61-page broadside written by Freedom for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) president Greg Lukianoff, deftly illustrates the evolving assault on free speech.
“The public’s appetite for punishing attempts at candor gone wrong, drunken rants, or even private statements made in anger or frustration seems to be growing at an alarming rate,” Lukianoff warns.
The author cites a range of incidents to make his initial point, covering a large and diverse cast of characters. They include former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson, chef Paula Deen, actors Gary Oldman and Mel Gibson, media’s Don Imus and Juan Williams and others, all of whom elicit varying degrees of sympathy, even as they have all fallen prey to the “modern American censor” who demands that “there must be zero tolerance for anything that anyone might find offensive, regardless of the context.”
Soul of Christ, sanctify me
Body of Christ, save me
Blood of Christ, inebriate me
Water from Christ’s side, wash me
Passion of Christ, strengthen me
O good Jesus, hear me
Within Thy wounds hide me
Suffer me not to be separated from Thee
From the malicious enemy defend me
In the hour of my death call me
And bid me come unto Thee
That I may praise Thee with Thy saints
and with Thy angels
Forever and ever
LOVE the “Anima Christi!” We learned to say this, both in Latin and in English! It is a beautiful prayer to say, especially when making one’s thanksgiving, after reception of Holy Communion!
“I love You, O my God, and my only desire is to love You until the last breath of my life. I love You, O my infinitely lovable God, and I would rather die loving You, than live without loving You. I love You, Lord and the only grace I ask is to love You eternally….My God, if my tongue cannot say in every moment that I love You, I want my heart to repeat it to You as often as I draw breath.”
– Saint John Vianney.
Thank you, Abeca, for invoking the prayers loved and shared by those who follow Our Lord. The Anima Christi is a favorite of mine, one I miss as it used to be part of the close of those prayers after daily mass.
Your welcome. It must have been the Holy Ghost who wanted it posted. Lets thank Him for this opportunity. Its all for His glory.
Its my favorite prayer as well especially every time when I send in my concerns on church concerns, the devil hates that, so he attacks me spiritually through all avenues and attacks my person, he uses the weaknesses of others to try to get to me, when I sense a spiritual attack I always pray that prayer. Its what keeps me focused on what truly matters, which is Christ and my salvation.
God bless you too. take care.
There are different ways to call someone names, one can do so by degrading them such as how Pope Francis has degraded the Cardinals, especially Cardinal Burke who do not go along with his buddy Cardinal Casper and Company and their plans to destroy the Church of Christ!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.
Thank you Mr Fisher. I will take note when I send my letters to the Pope. Pray that they get to him. Fast and pray. I intend to resend the same letter more than several times, perhaps nine times in a row throughout a year, like a novena of prayers. Join me in prayer as well to send our concerns to Jesus.
All should notice that there is a Catholic Peter and a Church of Nice peter on this Site!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Kenneth M. Fisher
The owner of the franchise is different from the company that sold the franchise. A local businessman was, in effect, not allowed to make a donation of product because someone else said something the principal didn’t like. And morons like that principal are in charge of educating children in public schools. Another reason to completely do away with public schools. Public almost-anything will always end up with fools in charge.