The following came in a Jan. 27 email from our Bay Area correspondent.
On Thursday, January 22, San Francisco’s Most Holy Redeemer Church hosted a town hall meeting for Equality California, the state’s largest homosexual lobbying group. Equality California is best known for their work in legalizing same-sex marriage in California, but, as executive director Rick Zbur made clear at the meeting, they have larger goals.
The meeting began with the showing of a video describing future direction of the group. One speaker said, “we intend to use our mobilization capabilities to advance LGBT rights nationwide.” Another gave an example of this in practice: “[Equality California] employed its strengths in outreach and organizing earlier this year against legislation in Arizona that would have created a so-called religious exemption from the anti-LGBT discrimination that exist in that state.” That legislation was created to protect the rights of, e.g., photographers or bakers who refuse to participate in same-sex weddings because doing so would violate their Christian faith. Thanks to Equality California and others, Christians in California and other states have been forced to pay large financial settlements and close their businesses rather than violate their faith.
After the video, Mr. Zbur said “What will guide our work is what is important to the members of California’s LGBT community and we will engage on anything, whether at the local level, state level, national level, or even internationally, depending on whether or not it is important to our community and whether we as an organization have the capacity to make positive change.” Zbur then laid out Equality California’s new policy objectives and spent a few minutes discussing how it can help LGBT illegal immigrants, and facilitate LGBT access to health care.
Following this, Cynthia Laird of the Bay Area Reporter, who served as moderator, asked questions.
Q: I know that when we talked you had mentioned something about Equality California planning a faith initiative. What would that entail?
Mr. Zbur: “So we’ll be announcing the details, but I’ll give you a little bit of a preview. We’ve been in discussions with a group of faith leaders throughout the state who’ve actually already been engaging in work to both educate and outreach to the faith communities about the LGBT community and to advance LGBT equality and acceptance in the faith community, talking with them about providing a home and support for that and part of their ministry.
“The group of faith leaders are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, includes a large group or them, so for us it recognizes the fact that some of achieving our goal of full acceptance of LGBT people will require us I think to have more outreach and education within faith communities and so that’s a priority for us and we are hoping that this new initiative is completed, but we’re hoping soon to announce the details of the faith initiative that is sort of really aimed at more outreach in the faith communities in California.
“I think that other than that what makes me really excited is that you look at where the opponents of full equality are coming from, they’re using faith based arguments and religious exemptions to try and carve away the legal rights that we have already earned here in California and in other parts of the country, so having a group of faith leaders who are standing with us in our fight for full equality and acceptance, I think will be something that’s going to be important for us all as we engage in the political advocacy that we need and in the public education to sort of protect the rights that we have already earned.”
Q: Do you see some of these religious liberty laws they’ve tried to get started in other states over the last year or so? And they did have an effort in California that I don’t think went anywhere. Do you see this happening again in the legislative session, and if so will Equality California oppose that?
“Well, we definitely would oppose it. You know, I haven’t heard very much about them doing that, I think they’re focus is on unraveling AB 1266, that’s what we we’re hearing their focus is, but in California I haven’t heard anything recently, but obviously we would oppose it. The thrust really though, I think is at the federal level with the version of ENDA that passed the Senate that included a broad religious exemption that we were very very uncomfortable about, and most of the LGBT organizations that weighed in expressed a lot of nervousness about the decision to pass it with that broad religious exemption, and so we’ve already spoken out against that.
“I think the thing that makes me nervous is the fact that it passed with that version and we’ve got a lot of states now that I don’t think that the next phase of us earning civil rights protection is going to happen at the federal level with Republicans in control of both houses of Congress. It’s really going to happen, as it has in California, in the states that don’t have that. So I’m really nervous about this religious exemption being used to sort of weaken civil rights laws that pass in the states. So that’s, we’ll continue engaging on that where we see it.”
You just mentioned AB 1266, which is the law that went into effect last January, that provides that all students have access to the same facilities [bathrooms], including transgender students too, athletics and other things too. What do you see in different parts of the state around implementing that and how can Equality California help with that. You did mention earlier you were working on some school issues.
“We’ve been partnering with other LGBT organizations, not us alone. The ACLU, one of our partners, has been really taking a lot of leadership on this. For example, I think it’s next week we are participating in a pretty big convening meeting in the Coachella Valley in which I think there is something like 8 or 9 smaller school districts that the ACLU and Equality California are helping provide some training for members of the school district and administrators and the school board on AB 1266 implementation.
“What we’re finding is implementation is spotty, that a lot of districts really don’t want to do it, that AB 1266 is one of those laws that there is a fair amount of controversy on. We saw a member of the California Assembly who lost re-election in Orange County and one of the key issues that was raised in her political campaign was the fact that she voted for AB 1266. So I think our opponents know that is an area where the public, where there is a lack of full understanding among the public. And they’re using that as a bit of a wedge issue.
“So we think that we need to really engage in education ahead of a potential ballot measure that they may very well try to put back on the ballot in the 2016 election cycle. They did try to gather signatures for 2014 and just fell short in gathering enough signatures to get on the ballot but we’re hearing that they are going to try again and so that’s an issue that we’ll be working on with the Transgender Law Center & the ACLU & National Center for Lesbian Rights and all of our partners”
Q: Now that the legislature is back in session, what are some of your legislative priorities for this year?
Zbur discussed a data collection bill; a decriminalization of HIV bill; and finally, a third legislative initiative:
“We are talking to the ACLU about co-sponsoring a bill that would update sex-education criteria that are imposed in the schools, and there are requirements now that sex education programs in a very general way address and educate kids about the diversity of what a family looks like and because the standards are so general most school districts don’t really do what was intended by the existing legislation. So that the curriculum is being updated, the ACLU really wants more standards than that, so we’re really going to be focused on that as well.”
Laird then asked if California’s Right to Die bill is something Equality California would take a position on?
“We might. I personally sort of understand the importance to our community, so that one of the things I personally believe is that every person should have the right to make decisions about their own lives and the time that they end their lives for various reasons, in consultation with their doctors, and doctors should have the right to sort of help people when they make those kinds of decisions.
“So I think I understand the importance to all, to every person, frankly, but I think that there are folks in our community that it may be especially important to, and so, I hadn’t really thought about it that much and we haven’t really dialogued with our legislative staff, we’ll sort of wait to hear what our community thinks…We probably wouldn’t sponsor a bill because it is probably not a strong enough nexus for us, but we do take positions on things and so that’s how we’ll look at it.”
Laird then asked Zbur about Equality California’s position on the new PrEP drugs, and their cost.
Wikipedia describes PrEP: “PrEP, an acronym from Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis, is the use of prescription drugs by people who do not have HIV/AIDS as a strategy for the prevention of HIV/AIDS. It is an optional treatment which may be taken by people who are HIV negative, but who have substantial, higher-than-average risk of contracting an HIV infection.
“PrEP is intended for use with condoms. Contrary to all medical advice, PrEP is sometimes used in the gay community by those who do not wish to use condoms and who intend to have bareback sex. There are social groups which both support and oppose the use of PrEP.”
Zbur’s said Equality California is “very focused on it…It has the potential to impact lives in our community…some folks are very critical of PReP.” Zbur said, “It’s about individuals making decisions over their own lives…making choices that they want to make.”
Zbur then took four questions from the audience: on the cost of the PReP drugs, on mental health issues in the LGBT community, on Equality California’s organizational structure, and a meandering question on the different health department attitude towards “private spaces” in bathhouses in San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Very good reporting and very informative.
Thank you to whoever attended and reported and to CCD for publishing.
Well, at least this time the Archbishop’s apologists that post here can’t say “Oh the pooooor Archbishop just didn’t know…” i personally sent him a registered letter prior to the event. No reply by the way. There never is.
Call Abp Cordilione. He owns the Church and the property it sits on as long as he heads up the Diocese.
” LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS ”
” 15. We encourage the Bishops, then, to provide pastoral care in full accord with the teaching of the Church for homosexual persons of their dioceses.
No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin. ”
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
Time to laicize the Pastor and any other Priests at Holy Redeemer who allowed the use of Catholic Church property.
FIRE them immediately.
” Is this a Catholic church? ”
Very accurate title !
Catholic Churches are supposed to help people get past their temptations and get to Heaven,
not promote within society sodomy and other perverted sexual acts and help them go to Hell.
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
CCC: #2357, 2358, 2359, & 2396.
” SMUGGLING in SODOMY ”
https://www.churchmilitant.tv/platform/?today=2015-01-28
When is Pope Francis going to stop this filth and perversion ?
He is not going to.
Archbishop Cordileone does a wonderful thing by re-instituting the TLM at Star of the Sea parish and also approving its return to altar-boys only as Mass servers. And then, the Archbishop does nothing — nothing — while these perverts plan — at a Catholic Church property — how they are going to spread the filth of homosexual sex, to make its practitioners more acceptable. What is going on in the Chancery?
Excellency, you need to come out hard at this guys. Of course, always offer the chance for repentance and confession, but these are not people that want to be chaste, as the Catechism calls them to be. No, they want to convert all of the faithful to their unholy cause. These are bad men Archbishop, and need to be thrown out on their ear.
The Catholic Church simply needs to stand up and shout out what are its beliefs on sexual ethics issues and the exercise of sexuality. All of us know of many, many Catholics that have been told by priests — possibly homosexuals themselves — that sex is “a matter of personal conscience” and all that garbage. If this is so, then the Pope should come out and say: “shut it down; do what you want; the Church has been wrong for centuries about everything to do with sex. Have at it like bunnies (but do not have babies very much, so use birth control)”.
Your condoning the use of MHR for homosexual meetings is not to be tolerated, Excellency.
If any Staff persons at the Diocese office is withholding information from the Archbishop, those persons must be fired immediately.
This garbage has to stop.
Get the filth out of the Catholic Churches immediately.
EQUALITY CALIFORNA advertises themselves as the largest statewide lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization in California.
When you see their web site, they promote Sodomy Marriage, and promote all Legislation that undermines morals in CA Society, and are doing much of it by collecting $$$ and through the Court system.
This group also supports euthanasia, are against freedom of religion – want everyone to pay for their sinful lifestyle – medical drugs, sex change operations, condoms, etc.
They do not want to be responsible for their own actions.
The Priests who allowed them to use Catholic property need to be fired immediately.
Abp Cordileone, you have the power, use it before more Souls are lost.
Shut down once and for all….
So, unlike Courage, which doesn’t say when and where it meets, Equality California took out full page ads to advertise this town hall meeting, and engaged the LGBT press to moderate the meeting. Cal-Catholic took the opportunity to attend the meeting and report on it, so we know what the “gay agenda” is. You get to see for yourself what that “gay agenda” comprises itself of. It has nothing to do with molesting children, as some have accused. It has nothing to do with degrading the family, as the Archbishop and Pope have accused. It has nothing to do with collaborating with the devil, as many of you have alleged. It has nothing to do with Nazi this or Communist that, as we have heard here from time to time.
Courage, on the other hand, hides in the shadows so that no one really know what happens there, what the agenda is, and whether or not they really preach the Gospel to those who attend.
For those who may not know, YFC (Your Fellow Catholic), has told us in other postings that he loves sodomy and promotes same sex marriage
because of his own sinful lifestyle.
Sorry, YFC. But NO Gospel is preached…just a lot of “self” talk and how to be “accepted.” If you want to “swallow the big one” then go ahead. The need to make the homosexual sinful lifestyle a norm is a push in a direction to bring down Christian beliefs, morals, and virtues. “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, NOW and at the hour of our death. Amen.” Pray Up, Church!
“…Courage, on the other hand, hides in the shadows so that no one really know what happens there, what the agenda is, and whether or not they really preach the Gospel to those who attend.”
Again, YFC, you attempt to put down Courage who aids those with SSA to gain the strength and support they need to live according to God’s law. Why would a ‘Fellow Catholic’ do that? Especially when the discussion thread has nothing to do with Courage?
Why not be honest in your own advertising and use the Moniker Your Neighborhood Homosexualist Agitator? For you are ‘hiding’ beneath the name you use now.
“Your Fellow Catholic” (and “MHRJimS”): No practicing homosexual person has the right to ever, ever use any Catholic facility for purposes of advancing the homosexual agenda. The article above without question lists the pernicious and evil outcomes planned by your HomoFascist army.
Further, “YFC” who cares if “Equality California” sets out its agenda fully? So did Hitler in “Mein Kampf” (“My Struggle”). And, the homosexual agenda is no less evil and damnation provoking. A few things to consider:
1. Homosexual sex is a mortal sin. Nothing that a homosexual group can say, nothing, can change that. Church property is incompatible as a forum to discuss anything of a homosexual nature, except how to seek forgiveness and repair your life.
2. HomoFascist group plans always include efforts to attack those that oppose such sex, seek their firing, seek to damage their reputations, families, everything. This added evil also violates, at least, the Ninth Commandment (see also, Exodus 20:16).
3. Meetings of any kind in a Catholic property, by HomoFascists creates scandal to the Faithful, and keeps the “disordered” from learning the True Faith and seeking confession and absolution.
The Archbishop was truly asleep at the switch on this one. Time to both congratulate him and warn him of this disgusting misuse of Church property.
I really hope the Archbishop reads your comments, Mr. Christopher. He will see what ugly un-Christian attitudes we are up against.
YFC I hate hypocracy. You judge Christopher yet you often do ugly un Christian attitudes against what the church actually teaches about the Natural Law. Work on your own homosexual issues first that lead you help to be in full communion, before you judge others. Then it is then that you can speak but for now silence! I say it in charity. Its been said to you in so many ways in the past.
I pray all Catholics re-read your comments,YFC, if only to wake up about your (plural) mis-use of the name Catholic. You are clearly anti-Catholic and seek only to pervert, manipulate, and undermine.
Well, Ann Malley, I pray all Catholics re-read my statements too. I think an objective view would see it in light of the Gospel, the ministry of Christ, and with an open heart and hand to the voice of Grace that beckons ALL to God.
Yes, YFC, Grace beckons all to God, but not all comply with the grace given.
Would that we could speak together! Abp. Cordileone has a number of very good things that he has started, and he has maintained his strong anti-abortion stance. On the evils of homosexual sex, he has been less active, and needs to bring up these efforts.
No one hates homosexuality, “Your Fellow Catholic”. Good Catholics only hate homosexual sex. And they hate the scandal that is caused when Church leaders are cowards and do not stand up to HomoFascism.
Hard to see what, in the list, represents “ugly un-Christian attitudes”, “YFC”. Perhaps you could be more specific: is it calling homosexual sex a “mortal sin”? Is it saying that, as is entirely factually accurate, homosexual lobby groups attack and attack and attack individuals and small businesses that dare to live their Faith? Is it saying that those that publicly praise mortal sin and insults to God should not be permitted to use Church property? Well, show us all how this is going wrong. Waiting, waiting, waiting. . .
YFC:
https://christiannews.net/2014/07/20/send-an-ambulance-father-beats-homosexual-man-caught-raping-11-year-old/
All4HIM: Both the rape and the beating are senseless and defenseless acts of violence and I condemn them both. The father’s reaction is an understandable one of passion, attempting to protect and defend his son, so the circumstances mitigate his guilt. But both acts should be condemned as objective evils, since once the rape was stopped, the beating of the perpetrator continued and, it seems from the report, went beyond merely defending his child but went into revenge. The rape of this child is, of course, a horrible evil.
ALL4Him thank you for the link.
Yes, YFC your support for sodomy and sodomy marriage are truly ugly and disgusting.
YFC stop talking crap about the courage group. Your ranting only makes people see very clear your bad will. Why dont you just focus on how you can get help for your own crisis against Jesus and His natural law. Hell is real. So choose Jesus.
“…Your ranting only makes people see very clear your bad will.” That can be a very good thing, Abeca, if it reveals the truth about what a posters intentions truly are so as to avoid being used/confused by said poser..I mean poster. That is practice for the real world outside of CCD. Provided we don’t forget the experience.
“…Why don’t you just focus on how you can get help for your own crisis against Jesus and His natural law.” Because that is not YFC’s motivation, Abeca, much like seeking Jesus and obeying his laws is not a top priority for many who sit in the pews and call themselves ‘Catholic’ while living the opposite and promoting the agenda of anti-Christ.
So the more YFC shows his ‘true’ colors,the better. Makes it very clear to call out as evil.
Abeca, I’m telling you (all) objective facts about Courage. If you find those facts crappy, then you should take them up with Courage, not with the messenger. I’m telling you these facts so that people can know how tough it is and how unwelcoming Courage is. If Courage were open, if everyone knew about Courage, their own numbers would grow, and success would breed upon success. If on the other hand, Courage continues to be a closed and secretive group, then we will continue to have parades of people on CCD and elsewhere admonishing San Francisco to have a chapter of Courage, when it already has several. If you have followed me over the years, you know that I think the Church should have supports in place for those who want to follow Church teaching on the matter, rather than constantly repeat its condemnatory tone, which helps no one except for the self-righteous among us.
…then why not help Courage in promoting the group, YFC, instead of openly denigrating their seeming lack of visibility. Again, you present cross purposes.
I AM, ANN MALLEY! I AM TRYING TO GET THEM TO PUBLISH THEIR MEETING TIMES AND PLACES, for at least a few of their meetings. Surely SOME of these souls are courageous enough to allow walk-ins. Maybe groups that have been together a few years, who feel confident in what they are doing and what they have to offer. Christ offers himself in sacrifice in an open-door kind of way. Why not Courage?
Screaming (via caps) and demeaning )but calling Courage anything but) online is not helping Courage to post times, YFC.
You ask why not? Why not indeed? What with your screeched derision and pointed pro-same sex sexual endorsement (Against the Church’s teachings and the natural law), it is rather obvious.
And yes, Christ does offer Himself in an open-door kind of way, but then He is very often spit upon and scourged by those fellow Catholics in the pews who say one thing and do another as matter of policy. Would you like to see Courage members treated as such? One wonders.
YFC, if you do not like “COURAGE” and “ENCOURAGE” which are very faithful and approved – Catholic Groups that adhere to Catholic Church teaching, and do not support homosexual acts – –
You should start your own group to SAVE the SOULS of those with same sex attraction, and homosexual sinners –
that will be in 100% accord with;
SACRED SCRIPTURE: re homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7
and Condemnation for Receiving Holy Communion unworthily
1 Cor 11:27-30;
and
the “CATECHISM of the Catholic Church, second edition” (1997):
# 2357, 2358, 2359, & 2396;
and
” LETTER to the BISHOPS of the CATHOLIC CHURCH on the PASTORAL CARE of HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”.
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
Your opinion on anything “Catholic” should be ignored as long as you remain in Mortal Sin, – as a heretic, and supporter of the mortal sins of sodomy and homosexual marriage.
Condemnatory tone? When there were not even 10 just men to be found in Sodom and Gomorrah then God used much more than a condemnatory tone with the obstinate sinners. Obstinate activists have no interest in accepting Church teaching regarding homosexual acts. Many even deny what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuals are no different than any other human being or sinner with real individual human struggles or a cross to bear. Other individuals with crosses do not receive special circumstance permission slips to undermine Church teaching. And make no mistake… that is the goal. Homosexuality has been the crutch du jour excuse to claim some sort of special exemption when having to obey God. Our lead shepherds have allowed this particular theme of obstinate activisim gain a festering foothold within the Church. This is no different than an unruly child who keeps getting those in authority, including overindulgent parents, to accommodate them in order to avoid big huge embarrassing temper tantrums in public. Their no should have always meant no! Homosexuals are not the only people in the world who are persecuted or who have problems. If it is true that the Archbishop Cordileone gave permission for this meeting to be held on parish grounds with full knowledge of the goals of Equality California, then this would definitely fall into the category of compromising the faith and Our Lady of Akita, Japan warned us about such compromises.
Various homosexual couples have sued and forced out of business Christian photographers and bakers who refused to provide their services at homosexual “weddings.” Most Holy Redeemer (MHR) parish hosted the Equality California group to hold a town hall meeting in the parish. It’s obvious that the pastor and leaders of MHR approve of Equality California and its goals. Has Archbishop Cordeleone approved and/or commented on this meeting at MHR?
As a MHR Parishioner and someone responsible for MHR Communications, I want to let Cal-Catholic readers know that both Bishop Justice and Archbishop Cordileone had knowledge and approved the use of our community hall for the EQCA Town Hall Mtg. I attended the meeting and take issue with how your “correspondent” mischaracterized the meeting as being an MHR Agenda. It was not. The meeting was to present and get feedback from the Castro Community – our parishioners about the new EQCA Agenda to help LGBTQ immigrants and their health care issues. So sadly, this article gets added to a long list of inaccurate, inflammatory and homophobic articles about MHR from your editors.
MHRJimS, most of the article is verbatim what happened at the meeting – how was it inaccurate? There certainly wasn’t much discussion about healthcare.
MHRJimS: You write “The meeting was to present and get feedback from the Castro Community – our parishioners about the new EQCA Agenda to help LGBTQ immigrants and their health care issues.”
Since you were there, two questions: The article says “Zbur then laid out Equality California’s new policy objectives and spent a few minutes discussing how it can help LGBT illegal immigrants, and facilitate LGBT access to health care.” Is the description “a few minutes” accurate?
It also says that “Zbur then took four questions from the audience”, none of which mentioned immigrants. Is that also accurate?
MHRJimS, “Equality California’s” intentions and goals are very clear through their own web site.
Their goal is to force sodomy (the homosexual lifestyle) in the public square through the legal system, including but not limited to supporting homosexual marriage.
This article conforms with “Equality California’s” own stated and publicized goals.
You and the Priests at Most Holy Redeemer Church got caught.
The Pastor is in charge of the Parish, Abp is in charge of Diocese, not some communications Director.
Now own it.
You are in full violation of Sacred Scripture, and the Doctrine of the Faith.
You may not allow the use Catholic Church property for an agenda which violates any tenants of the Faith.
If you did not inform the Abp of the publically stated goals of “Equality California” from their own web site – then you should be fired asap.
As someone else posted – ” LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”
“15….No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin. ”
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
Are the responses given here as being from the representative of EQCA accurate?
The EQCA web site certainly is.
MHRJimS, Because of the Sin of Scandal by allowing an organization that promotes MORTAL SIN to use Catholic Church property, the Abp owes everyone in the public square an explanation, and what he intends to do about it.
He has to fix the public mess that you helped to promote.
CCC: 1759 “An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention” (cf. St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. praec. 6). The end does not justify the means. “
The Pope and Archbishop really need to have the guts to stand up for Christ’s teachings, and stop being COWARDS!! Most Holy Redeemer Church should be like a Catholic outreach mission, to catechize and help the sick, immoral Catholics, who live in the Castro area. They are all nearly-dead, morally and spiritually, as well as physically. Sick, immoral liberals, cannot reason correctly, either– they do not properly function, intellectually! They need strong, correct, caring leadership! This kind of thing reminds me of sick, immature, drunk alcoholics, who have lost their reasoning abilities, trying to tell people that drinking to excess is great, and they are having a great time, pressuring others to drink too, get drunk, and “join the party!” Sick, immature people! They are desperately in need of strong, firm (but caring) guidance and leadership!
The Same Gaystapo who Removed the Picture of Pope Benedict from the Church because it offended their sick hatreds & vile perversions – should not be allowed to stable grotesquely hateful male drag queens perpetually mocking Catholic Nuns either…
But MHR is a focal point for the Sodom by the Sea satanists – who desperately want to topple this domino before trashing the rest of the Padres.
BTW – the ‘parishioners’ (Many) Know which members of the Community spray painted swastikas and slurs against Benedict during the Prop-8 disgrace – and their loyalty to the teachings of Alinsky far surpass any of that
‘bible stuff” they try to cover it in.
It’s as if a synagogue in Nazi Germany held a Nazi rally in the name of diversity and multiculturalism.
Something to consider: in this lawsuit happy society, the parish may just be trying to avoid a legal battle. Perhaps if all the good Catholics gave a bit more in the collection plate instead of trashing all that they consider “not-Catholic enough” and use this as a reason to withhold funds, as Mr Voris suggests, Catholic parishes wouldn’t have to rent out their halls. Something to think about……
From https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0611.htm :
On Matthew 6:22-23 (St. Gregory Thaumaturgus)
“The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. But it your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!”
The single eye is the love unfeigned; for when the body is enlightened by it, it sets forth through the medium of the outer members only things which are perfectly correspondent with the inner thoughts. But the evil eye is the pretended love, which is also called hypocrisy, by which the whole body of the man is made darkness. We have to consider that deeds meet only for darkness may be within the man, while through the outer members he may produce words that seem to be of the light: for there are those who are in reality wolves, though they may be covered with sheep’s clothing. Such are they who wash only the outside of the cup and platter, and do not understand that, unless the inside of these things is cleansed, the outside itself cannot be made pure. Wherefore, in manifest confutation of such persons, the Saviour says: “If the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!” That is to say, if the love which seems to you to be light is really a work meet for darkness, by reason of some hypocrisy concealed in you, what must be your patent transgressions!
Again, I will call your attention to the fact that the Archdiocese approved EQCA’s the use of our community hall for the Town Hall Mtg. What I was objecting to in my earlier post was the salacious headline “Is this a Catholic Church?” followed by the sub-heading “Sex-ed, religious liberty, transgender bathrooms and assisted suicide” — the only purpose of which, in my opinion, was to raise the ire of the ultra-conservative segment of readers of Cal-Catholic. There was no endorsement of the EQCA values by any MHR person at the meeting contrary to what the headlines want to convey. The rest of the article covered some of the conversation. If readers of this thread want a more detailed account of the meeting they should go to the Bay Area Reporter Online coverage. While I understand that there is a conservative base within the Catholic Church, I wish remind you there are moderates and liberal Catholics whose beliefs and opinions are just as valid as conservatives opinion. MHR is an “all inclusive” community that does not judge people and believes in a loving God not a revengeful God. And, in San Francisco and other major cities, there are other Catholic churches that share our belief’s and values. In my opinion, we need to put all this hateful homophobia rhetoric aside and work on issues we can agree upon such as immigration reform, care for the earth and our environment, systemic privilege and racism plus war and violence.
MHRJimS, it would be great if we all agreed on the things you listed, but the pages of CCD are ripe with ultra-conservative rhetoric, and it regularly lambasts Bishops, electeds, and catholic voters for their opinions and activities around immigration, environment, and racism. This is the crowd that, for the most part, doesn’t believe in evolution, climate change, access to healthcare, and economic science, let alone the biological reality of homosexuality and the Catechism’s admonishment that we be treated with dignity and respect.
Yes YFC you are apart of the crowd that has fallen for the climate change (ie use to be global warming) in the end it means control of individual by unaccountable powers. Access to healthcare, no is denied health care in this country you just everyone else to pay for other peoples bills, economic science ha, we are living it and its proving to be lacking. Your crowd thinks its so enlightened, with you so called gay rights, abortion rights, big government, gun control all the things espoused by the community organizer at 1600 pennsylvania ave. His policies are failure because your side is a failure.
Dear Mr. President:
During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ring tone.
While glancing over her patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as “Medicaid”! ( A Completely Free Healthcare Program provided by our Government). During my examination of her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.
And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman’s health care? I contend that our nation’s “health care crisis” is not the result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a “crisis of culture”, a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one’s self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. It is a culture based on the irresponsible credo that “I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me.”
Once you fix this “culture crisis” that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you’ll be amazed at how quickly our nation’s health care difficulties will disappear.
Respectfully,
STARNER JONES, MD
MHRJim we reject the ;Left and its identity politics. Your side has everyone divided and sub divided into groups, this is why we detest you. “I wish remind you there are moderates and liberal Catholics whose beliefs and opinions are just as valid as conservatives opinion.” No MHRJim we are right and the moderates and liberals are wrong, and this is based on objective truth not on some bumper sticker mentality that your side makes the basis of it opinion.
MHRJimS:
For someone “responsible for MHR Communications” you’re not very communicative. I repeat my questions of two days ago, which you have not answered:
You write “The meeting was to present and get feedback from the Castro Community – our parishioners about the new EQCA Agenda to help LGBTQ immigrants and their health care issues.”
Since you were there, two questions: The article says “Zbur then laid out Equality California’s new policy objectives and spent a few minutes discussing how it can help LGBT illegal immigrants, and facilitate LGBT access to health care.” Is the description “a few minutes” accurate?
It also says that “Zbur then took four questions from the audience”, none of which mentioned immigrants. Is that also accurate?
No, “MHRJimS”, the opinions of “moderate and liberal Catholics” are not acceptable at all to the extent that they violate the Faith. You may think that by sitting with other homosexuals/enablers at MHR that this means that you are fine and dandy with the Catholic Church — but this is a false understanding.
We are all taught, and believe, that we are all sin, and that all are in need of constant forgiveness; everyone. Practicing homosexuals are especially in need of immediate confession: you are committing a mortal sin every time that you have homosexual sex; every time. This is the only issue that can be legitimately discussed on the grounds of MHR.
One other bit of advice — given in complete Catholic charity: stay away from people like “Your Fellow Catholic”. Their words are poison, and promise nothing but moral suffering and continuing insult to God and to His Church. His words about the Catechism are twisted, just as Satan’s citing scripture to Christ during His temptation were twisted. No one is teaching you the true Catechism: look at Paras. 2357-2359 (Catholic Catechism, 2nd ed.): “Homosexual persons are called to chastity.” This is the path to salvation carefully laid out for you. Take the narrow path of righteousness; reject the siren call to continued evil and degradation.
MHRJimS: I’m still waiting for a response to my questions:
You write “The meeting was to present and get feedback from the Castro about the new EQCA Agenda to help LGBTQ immigrants and their health care issuesCommunity – our parishioners .”
Since you were there, two questions: The article says “Zbur then laid out Equality California’s new policy objectives and spent a few minutes discussing how it can help LGBT illegal immigrants, and facilitate LGBT access to health care.” Is the description “a few minutes” accurate?
It also says that “Zbur then took four questions from the audience”, none of which mentioned immigrants. Is that also accurate?
I don’t blame you for not answering: when one has a losing hand the best thing to do is fold your cards. So I’ll provide the answer: The Archdiocese agreed to allow the meeting with the understanding that the meeting would be “about the new EQCA Agenda to help LGBTQ immigrants and their health care issues.” Yet only 3 minutes of the 60 minute meeting were devoted to that subject, and not one of the questions from the audience addressed that issue.
You also write “MHR is an ‘all inclusive’ community that does not judge people. I’ll assume you are too intelligent to believe that and are being disingenuous. All individuals and communities “judge people.” MHR judged Pope Benedict by forcing the then-pastor Fr. Costello to remove his picture from the Church.
Is this a Catholic Church?
NO, it does Not follow the Way described by Jesus
NO, it does Not follow the Truth described by Jesus
NO, it does Not follow the Life described by Jesus!
Those of us who Love Him, believe in Him, follow and obey Him.
No one should defy Him, nor try to coerce, push, or defend our offensive sinful agendas on our loving Creator. We are mad and proud if we think we can be so arrogant as to argue with or challenge God.
Pray the rosary for poor souls to see how they offend God before it is to late for them. Many will suffer the eternal flames of hell.
Its beginning to Read as if the latest of MHR’s Larry Brinkin Racist Toddler Rape Ring Apologists for the Gaystapo – is really going to town with their whole Anti-Catholic ‘Ism-Obia’ rant / chant against the hated ‘pigs’ – the better to Silence said Practicing Catholics.
Whoever the Mau Mau Artiste is – using the good name of Our Holy Redeemer (my parents were Married There) Church as a Gaystapo Hate Propaganda tool; this fits right in with the huge push to shove all things gaily happy up the public wazoo…
– Going on in now conjunction with what even the lamesteam media recently admitted they are heavily and intentionally propagandizing about.
*But then ‘Doggie Hoser’ (not Billy Crystal) is hosting the Oscars, and who could Ever forget his Misogynistic Rant in the ‘Harold and Kumar’ movie, except perhaps the hollyweird media?
Accusations of “Ism-Obia”(combinations of alleged phobias like agoraphobia & isms like uplookism, etc) is the ultimate Alinskyite go to slam for anyone who wants to derail Factual discussions…
Like those highlighting the plethora of information showing the Unhealthy & UnHoly nature of the Gaystapo Alliance…
– Particularly in the former city of Saint Francis – now better known by its hedonistic Nexus for the spread of Hatred & Disease Worldwide- as ‘sodom by the sea’.
BAMN BAMN = Bash Men & Bash Marriage – By Any Means Necessary = the ‘gospel of the gaystapo’…
Gaily marketed in overripe fish wrap journalism literally reeking of SSAD ‘ism-obia’
I can never make any sense out of your posts.
Speak English.
Whichever of the ‘anonymous’ disciples of Saul Alinsky is Mau Mauing the board with a Demand that their own confusion be cleared up (without mention what part of the Anti-Catholic Gaystapo Hate Pogrom they ‘just don’t get’)…
Forgot to use the ‘magic words’ needed to Force Mandatory Pandering to their sick hatreds & vile perversions.
For those who remember the ole ‘simon says’ rule…
In an Age of Abomination – where the “Frothy Mix” of tax subsidized Bio-Terrorist ‘Savage Lickspittles’ (Like POTUS ‘down low Soetoro’s propagandist dan savage) are desperate to Control (read End / Prevent) Debate about their Pogroms…
The New Rule is “Saul Says” – Everyone Obeys!
And when the ‘anonymous’ Alinskyite Homosex Trolls here demand Silence from the Politically Un-Good on issues they have no valid response to – they are at least ‘tolerant’ enough to Demand such Censorship in All Languages, even if they choose English first.
I have only one comment:
Please refer to the first book of the Bible–the Book of Genesis:
The Inspired author named our first parents ADAM AND EVE; NOT ADAM AND STEVE. Homosexuality–and especially the practice thereof–has always been wrong and will always be wrong. Sodomy will always be a mortal sin. No exceptions. And anyone who proselytizes and glorifies this lifestyle, and tries to convert others to a life of sin, unless he truly repents his sins prior to death, will suffer the fires of hell for eternity.
TO THE BISHOP OF SAN FRANCISCO: Please wake up and fight against EQCA. They are terribly misguided, and addicted to perversion. They are making a sacrilege out of the God-Given Sacrament of Marriage. They must be stopped.