The following comes from an October 20 Angelus article:
In the final presidential debate on Wednesday, the major party candidates were pressed to explain their positions on abortion. Hillary Clinton defended her earlier support of partial-birth abortion, while Donald Trump reiterated the assertion that he is pro-life.
“I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life [Supreme Court] justices,” Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, stated at the debate.
Clinton, the Democratic presidential candidate, said about mothers’ decisions to have abortions, “I do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions.”
The next president will appoint at least one justice to the Supreme Court. Early in the debate, moderator Chris Wallace pressed Trump on if, as president, he would want the Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, the Court’s 1973 decision that declared a woman’s “right” to an abortion existing under her right to privacy.
Trump said he would appoint pro-life justices, but stopped short of saying he wanted the Court to overturn the Roe decision. “If that would happen, because I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life justices,” he said, “it [the legality of abortion] will go back to the individual states.”
Clinton, for her part, declared her strong support for Roe and also for Planned Parenthood, the “reproductive health care” organization that is the nation’s largest abortion provider. “So many states are putting very stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising their choices to the extent that they are defunding Planned Parenthood, which of course provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country,” she said.
Planned Parenthood does not, in fact, provide cancer screenings, however, only referrals for screenings.
Wallace followed up by asking Clinton about partial-birth abortion: “You have been quoted as saying the fetus has no constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late-term partial-birth abortions. Why?”
Clinton defended her vote. “Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account,” she answered. “And when I voted as a senator, I did not think that that was the case.”
A former abortionist explains partial-birth abortions.
In her defense of legal abortion, Clinton also referenced her international travels as Secretary of State insist that government should not involve itself in a woman’s decision about her pregnancy. She said that “I’ve been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions, like they used to do in China, or forced women to bear children like they used to do in Romania.”
However, one human rights advocate – Reggie Littlejohn, president of Women’s Rights Without Frontiers – strongly contested Clinton’s claim that China “used to” mandate forced abortions, saying that their forced family planning policy still exists and that Clinton’s claim was “untrue and deeply disappointing.”
For decades, the Chinese Communist government had a mandatory one-child-per-family policy. Women found to be pregnant without a permit would be turned into to local authorities by their neighbors and would be forced to have abortions and be sterilized. As many families chose to have only a male child, a serious gender imbalance has resulted in China. The Chinese government announced last year that it would allow families to have two children.
However, the forced abortions and pregnancy screenings continue, Littlejohn insisted. “Women of child-bearing age” undergo four pregnancy screenings per year, and married women cannot have more than two children, while single women cannot have any children, she said. Although women who are illegally pregnant may be able to pay a fine instead of having an abortion, women who “cannot pay the fine – which can be as much as ten times her annual salary” must have an abortion.
“Forced abortion, therefore, continues under the Two-Child Policy,” Littlejohn insisted. “The Chinese Communist Party has not agreed to get out of the bedrooms of the Chinese people, and Presidential candidates should not be stating or implying that they have,” she said. “We need to keep the international pressure on the Chinese Communist Party until all coercive population control is eradicated.”
Clinton promises to support the Roe versus wade decision in 1973 which legalized abortion on demand in America. Of course Clinton and the Democrats conveniently forget to tell Americans that Roe in Roe versus Wade is now opposed to Abortion on demand. Why don’t Clinton and the Democrats mention this important position change of the woman that was the face of the abortion movement in the 1970’s. At least Donald Trump stated during the final debate that he would select more pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. America should turn away from the Party of Clinton and the Democrats because they support the culture of death. Why doesn’t Trump connect with Roe in Roe versus Wade so that she can publicly state that she is now opposed to…
Another ridiculous post. Hillary Clinton clearly said she is opposed to regimes that have POLICIES that force abortions. She used China as an example. She casually said that China “used to” force abortions. Maybe she is wrong and maybe she is right that China’s policy is in the past. The point is…she is opposed to the POLICY.
“The point is…she is opposed to the POLICY.” = Speaking of RIDICULOUS POSTS! The real point is….HRC has clearly never met a “policy” that couldn’t be bought for the right amount of $$$$$ or votes. IOW, there’s pay to play for the Saul Alinsky loving HRC and for others there’s pay to post/infiltrate the Catholic Church.
Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage 2004 – YouTube
Year after year, Hillary Clinton uses her God given gift of free will to promote and legislate evil. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the culture of death.
Hillary Clinton defends gruesome Partial Birth Abortion
If you like partial birth abortion, with Hillary you can keep you partial birth abortion.
There are far far more forced abortions than their are partial birth abortions. Don’t you think the candidate who opposes forced abortions and is willing to use its domestic and foreign policy levers to eliminate it should be given some consideration?
No! Hillary Clinton supports promoting Abortion! It’s worse than forced a abortion, it’s about making abortion ok and that’s not ok.
We do not believe her. China, by the way, now has a two child policy — a two child, not a three or four child policy. What do you think happens to any children that are accidentally conceived after that? and the birth control pill and other contraceptives often fail, besides being dangerous to women’s bodies. The answer is easy. They are aborted forcibly, and she is not so stupid that she does not know that.
Clinton is AGAINST – – – ” FREEDOM of RELIGION “.
She has stated that Religions MUST change their beliefs to support her position on abortion while campaigning in 2015.
” Hillary: ‘Religious Beliefs’ Must Change For Sake Of Abortion ”
” Hillary Clinton: Make Christians Change Their Religious Views to Support Abortion ”
I am completely confused on all of the people who responded to my post.
Let’s be really really clear. I know you all want clarity.
Hillary Clinton is opposed to policies and regimes that FORCE ABORTIONS upon women. Millions of abortions are forced upon women. Why is this not something we can ALL get behind? Forget whether you will vote for her —- do you agree that forced abortions should be outlawed?
…and yet Hillary is clearly for forcing Churches to change their “opinions” on abortion and homosexual unions. What is that but coercion, YFC? What is that but kicking the legs out from under the chair and then feigning support for those who seek to sit in chairs?
Perhaps your quest for those to rally behind you against forced abortions would be more successful if you pursued the rejected of forced lobotomy – surgical, chemical, or by way of indoctrination – first.
Sorry, but extolling Hillary’s pretense of advocating for women so that “she” can use them is not going to work on thinking people who value the truth.
You miss the key point, “YFC.” HRC is pro-abortion, and is an ardent and uncompromising lap-dog for Planned Parenthood. She feels, and has said, that abortion is just another medical procedure that should always — even when the baby is literally hanging out of the womb — be available to women, for whatever reason. Trump was correct when he said that Hillary was “the devil.” No Catholic can vote for her, or give her money. If any Catholic has done so, they need to immediately go to confession.
It is sinful to vote for Hillary Clinton or for any Democrat. The Democrat Party is the political party of advancing grave evil, and its stance on abortion is one of many reasons why. Any Catholic who votes for a Democrat is a traitor to the faith, and Tim Kaine is the new poster boy for phony Catholics.
Well said Sawyer. In the 2012 election, over fifty percent of the Catholics (Fake Catholics) voted for pro-abortion candidates !
But, 76% of Hispanic Catholics voted Obama against 43% of White Catholics. White Protestants chose Romney 69% to 29%; Black Protestants Obama 97% to 3%.
Look like White Protestants and Catholics got missionary work to do. Good luck with that!
It is not a sin to vote for Hillary Clinton or any Democrat.
Fortunately, you, Sawyer, don’t get to decide what constitutes a sin.
I’m not deciding what constitutes a sin; I’m judging correctly based on Revelation, reason and Church teaching that to vote for HRC or any Democrat is sinful. To vote for Democrats in this day and age is to vote in support of grave evils instead of the most realistic alternative better option.
Democrats are ruining the US with evil, and leftists in general are ruining the West. The Church and her members will suffer greatly with the ascendancy of the Left, and if Christians don’t already see that writing on the wall they are blind.
The world would be a better place, YFC, if most people reasoned and voted like I do.
Again YFC you support sodomy you are not qualified to tell someone what is and what is not a sin….
Bohemond, I am just referrign to the Papal document that talks about the possibility of voting for a person in spite of their support for abortion. So people who say voting for Hillary is a sin are just making things up out of thin air. No one gets to do that.
Citation, please, to the papal document that ok’s support of pro-abortion politicians?
Yes, I wanted to know also the citation for “the Papal document” that exonerates voting in favor of an pro-abort politician. Please provide.
Re. abortion being an exceptionally grave matter, there is this by then-Card. Ratzinger, July 2004, “Worthiness to Receive Communion”:
“3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion…”
“There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”
” In the Vatican’s “Declaration on Procured Abortion” (Cardinal Seper, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 1974) there is a discussion of “Morality and Law” (#19-23). “Man may never obey a law which is in itself, immoral and such is the case of a law which would admit in principle, the liceity of abortion. Nor can he take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law or vote for it. Moreover, he may not collaborate in its application.”
–complied by Fr. Matthew Habiger, HLI
Sounds like it is a grave sin to collaborate in voting for a pro-abort politician, according to “Papal documents.”
Amen to that one.
Behemond’s post, that is.
“YFC” it is a grave sin to vote for Hilary or any Democrat. Here and there even a brave bishop or two from the feckless “Order of Bishops” is now saying this. No Catholic can ever, never, vote for a Democrat, as long as their platform conforms to to evil.
Sawyer, you are correct that Clinton favors Roe v. Wade. For that reason many choose not to vote for her. Trump says that he is pro-life and many will vote for him for that reason. The real problem for our country is that we are voting from among the two most disliked candidates in modern times. Even if one agrees with all of Mr. Trump’s positions on the issues, they would be voting for the biggest sleeze ball in the history of the country. Surely our country deserves better than these two people. Last night’s performance by Mr. Trump at the Catholic Charities dinner provided proof positive that he is not qualified to be President. She, Mrs. Clinton, is still an open question in my opinion. Good Catholics may have to vote for her…
I deal in reality, Bob One. Trump is not my man, but he’s the only realistic defense against the damage that HRC and the Democrats would continue to do in the US if she becomes the President. I’m not surprised you would consider voting for a thoroughly corrupt woman who routinely sells out the US to increase her personal wealth, supports numerous grave evils in law, disregards law and lies about her activities. I have no respect for anyone who supports the Democrats; you have to be deranged beyond repair to believe that the Democrats are good for the country. Catholics who support Democrats are especially loathsome.
Wrong on all counts Bob One, wrong on all counts, if you think an evil woman like Hillary who supports abortion up to the 9th month is still an open question for you, you are not Catholic in any way…
No we do not!
Wrong, “Bob One” — please tell the folks at whatever Zombie Liberal organization pays you, that Catholics (practicing Catholics that is) cannot ever, never, vote for a candidate or anyone from a Party that embraces an absolute right to abortion as a basic right. Clinton is the devil, as Trump correctly said. No, Trump is no more of a sleaze ball than was JFK, or LBJ, or a good number of other US Presidents (like the lovely Andrew Jackson, whose presidency was marked by the virtual elimination of American Indians in the South, with the exception of FL’s Seminole Tribe.
Hillary supports infanticide…. end of story
hat is a total lie
YFC you lie the evil Hillary has no problem late term abortions where the child NOT fetus, skull is crushed..
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Your Fellow Catholic— you are supposed to be Catholic! Where are your religious convictions?? Hillary Clinton UNNATURALLY states emphatically, that she firmly supports the killing of a baby, up to the very last second, in its mother’s womb! Now, don’t you think that is a VIOLENT, BLOODY, UNNATURAL STANCE– for a WOMAN?? WHY would any DECENT WOMAN vehemently support the hideous, immoral, extremely degrading life for a woman, of a boy getting his girlfriend to “shack-up,” degrading her as a woman, with “free sex,” no marriage, no responsibility– and then, conveniently KILL THEIR SON OR DAUGHTER?? UNNATURAL!! CRIMINAL!!
Hillary Clinton supports abortion at any stage of development and for any reason.
Hillary Clinton (and her 2016 Democrat National Platform), supports the repeal of the Hyde Amendment.
This would force ALL taxpayers to pay for abortion at any stage of development and for any reason.
Clinton is against “Freedom of Religion”.
She is not going to be able to repeal the Hyde amendment. She can’t do that all by herself, and she certainly couldn’t get it through the house and senate.
Why are you focused on a thing she can’t do even if she wants to do, and not focused on the things Trump can do from the get go. He can destroy our ability to speak civilly with each other. He can destroy our relationships with NATO and our allies. He can degrade women, immigrants, people of color. He does these things on January 20 (and before). She can’t repeal the Hyde amendment in a hundred years.
Note to fellow catholic, regardless of wht u call ur faith, it certainly lacks the essential core of Catholicism. “Progressives” are Marxists, hence the end point is denial of our natural rights and sublimation (at best) of individualism in service of an unholy utopianism. Legally protecting the “right” of biological males to shower with our daughters is the kind of intrinsic evil tht the Democrat party represents. I agree, it’s a moral offense to vote for a party tht worships abortion and promotes class warfare.
Your Fellow Catholic– Hillary has stated vehemently, many times, that she firmly supports KILLING OF A BABY, up to the last second, in its mother’s womb! TRAGIC!! UNWOMANLY!! Hillary is UNNATURAL as a WOMAN, like all the other unnatural, unwomanly, immoral, immature, violent “feminists!” She supports an IMMORAL, IMMATURE boy, TOTALLY DEGRADING WOMEN, getting his girlfriend to “shack-up” with him, so he can have “free sex,” NO MARRIAGE, NO RESPONSIBILITY– and KILL ALL THEIR CHILDREN!
Not so long ago, even if a Presidential candidate– or any political candidate– had done some immoral things in their life– they would never LIE to everyone, and say that what they did was right, morally! They knew right from wrong! And they always supported the Traditional American Marriage, Home, and Family, and the welfare of American Children! And of course, they also supported the Sanctity of Human Life, from conception to natural death– abortion and euthanasia were outlawed, and unthinkable– a CAPITAL SIN!! MOTHERHOOD was considered SACRED!
It once was considered a sacred duty, for all American civic leaders, to uphold our precious Judeo-Christian heritage! Can you imagine, before the filthy, immoral 1960s– a Presidential candidate– or, a local mayor, city council member, police chief, judge, school board member, etc.– promoting “shacking up,” pornography, adultery, dope, abortions, gay “marriage,” and many other sins— and affirming in lots of speeches, that such IMMORAL “lifestyles,” are GOOD for America’s good citizens?? NO WAY!!
” – September 22, 2016 –
TRUMP CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCES CATHOLIC ADVISORY GROUP ”
to provide advisory support to Mr. Trump on those issues and policies important to Catholics and other people of faith in America.
See names of those on list. You are certain to recognize some of the long time, pro-life persons listed.
As I, a non-attorney, understand it, if Roe is overturned, the law reverts to the individual states laws as they stood in the early 1970s. This will be a real mish-mash of laws. I respectfully suggest if certain groups want Roe repealed, they have a federal law WHICH THEY CAN GET ENACTED ready so the law, whatever it is, is uniform from Miami to Nome.
As to Court Justices, I suggest Mr Trump talk to President Eisenhower’s ghost. Ike thought Earl Warren would be a conservative. We all know how that turned out.
mike m, wouldn’t it be great, if we had a Constitutional Amendment that states that in America, we uphold the legal rights of all America’s citizens, from conception to natural death? That is what I believe!
Mike.. are you refering to a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion in all 50 states?
Hillary or Donald? A Pastor Emphasizes How America’s Future Is at Stake!
August 29, 2016
[Reprinted with permission]
By Pastor Jim Garlow, Skyline Church, San Diego, CA
#7. This next issue might be one of the most important, but I suspect few will understand its significance. Trump opposes globalism. Hillary thrives on it. Globalism is far more than “geographical” or “eliminating national borders and boundaries.” It is spiritual and demonic at its core. Few—very few—understand this. This is quite likely one of the main reasons why Trump is hated. Do your homework on this one. Think “principalities and powers.” Serious. Extremely serious.
You are absolutely right Catherine the new world order global elites are not only diabolical because they worship the devil. They wrongly believe they can create a new world order that is devoid of God. But God will have the last word in human history which is quickly winding down to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ True God and True Man Lord of Lords King of Kings. Unfortunately for these global elites their end will be a very sorrowful one. America repent and convert to a merciful and loving God before it is too late.
Hillary FORCES abortions through LIES and DECEPTION of the gullible and naive.
TRUMP MUST be elected in her place!
Joe, you are wrong. Hillary’s forces do not use lies and deception. They come right out and state that they are pro-abortion. No deception. Imagine if you will what our country would be like with Trump as President. How would he change the country’s policies? Build a wall? Can’t be done. End the Affordable Care Act and put millions of people in a world with no medical care? Make misogyny the standard of behavior? Undo years of treaties that protect us and Europe against the Russians? Give atomic bombs to many more countries? Bring back jobs that don’t exist and would be filled by robots? We have a conundrum wrapped in an enigma, me thinks.
With all due respect to our Pastors, Priests and Bishops……
The silence is deafening!!!
If we don’ get the message out there…….the same thing that happened in 2008 and 2012 will occur!
Uninformed Catholics will help bring about an even sadder (if that is possible) outcome for President than before!
Hillary is PRO-ABORTION TO THE MAX………SPREAD THE WORD…….
You cannot be Catholic and vote for pro-abortion candidates! That would make about as much sense as a Jewish Nazi!
Jewish Nazi? Ya know, Soros was a collaborator. Soros, a one-word oxymoron.
An Establishment in Panic
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Half a millennia ago, missionaries and explorers set sail from Spain, England and France to bring Christianity to the New World. Today, Clintons, Obamas and Bushes send soldiers and secularist tutors to “establish democracy” among the “lesser breeds without the Law.”
Unfortunately, the natives, once democratized, return to their roots and vote for Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, using democratic processes and procedures to re-establish their true God.
And Allah is no democrat.