The following is from an Aug. 31 entry on the blog of Stockton Bishop Stephen Blaire.
On Friday, August 24, I invited the Religious Women of the Diocese to meet with me so that I could hear their thoughts about the Investigation of LCWR (Leadership Conference of Women Religious). The Sisters present were not all members of LCWR and included Religious Communities from other countries serving in the diocese of Stockton. The Sisters expressed a strong bond with one another and generally were disheartened at what they perceived as a lack of trust toward the congregational leaders who participate in LCWR. They perceive the process to have been predetermined to the extent of making genuine dialogue very difficult, finding themselves in less than an equitable position for interaction with the Vatican representatives.
They would like to proceed ahead in dialogue where there is mutual trust based on listening and openness to finding common ground for resolution of the concerns which have been raised.
Throughout my life I have had a wonderful association with women religious. My own sister was a member of the Congregation of Holy Cross so I grew up with Sisters often visiting in our home. I was given an outstanding elementary education from the Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary. In the years I was a Catholic school principal I was deeply indebted to women religious for all their good work in the education and formation of the youth. In the years I worked at the diocesan level, both as an administrator and later as a bishop, I have been incredibly grateful to the Sisters on the staff for their leadership, competency and dedication to the work of the Church. I still say today that I would find it very difficult to run the diocese without the quality Religious who work at the diocesan level and in our parishes.
At our meeting I heard their hurt, but at the same time I heard over and over again their love for the Church to which they have dedicated their lives.
I have great hope from what I have read that the Vatican delegates under the leadership of Archbishop Peter Sartain of Seattle and the LCWR Leadership will listen carefully to each other (after all, men and women do think and make decisions differently). I am confident that with trust and good will they can move ahead to resolutions that advance the Church’s mission of evangelization in the world.
Bishop Blaire seems to think “Vatican representatives” are bullying the poor LCWR sisters. The bishop should remember who appointed him and guides all of us.
“I heard their hurt…” but he didn’t hear decades of heresy, disobedience, paganism, New Age thinking, and intentional distancing from Jesus Christ and His Church? This clueless bishop can’t retire too soon.
That They May All Be One
The Principle of Collegiality by Philip C.L. Gray
“Human nature being what it is sometimes the Principle of Collegiality becomes distorted and can stifle the witness of individual bishops by reducing the exercise of their Teaching Office to the least common denominator. We might speculate that this is what Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani had in mind some forty years ago when he was reported to have said that the only passage in Scripture that he could find that supported Collegiality was Matthew 26:56: And they all fled.
Catherine, that was brilliant. Where do you find these things? haha
I DO find it odd that so many find Fr.Groeschel non compos mentis, when I think he’s sharp as a tack, even at his age and after his accident. What I DO think of Bishop Blair’s understanding, however, is that he’s definitely on the edge of being unable to separate reality from fantasy. I know I wouldn’t buy a car or an insurance policy from him! I’m sorry, and forgive my disrespect, but I find him a really scary guy!
Fr. Michael,
Well put, but what else can one expect from one of the most liberal of our liberal college of bishops.
Dialogue with heresy is heresy!
Now that it is obvious that they have no intent to comply, let us pray that the Vatican finally shows some real backbone. Words are cheap, actions take courage!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Bishop Blaire is 9 years older than me and I can make many of the statements about nuns that taught me and that I had contact with in the 50s and early 60s. But, Bishop Blaire, many of these sisters of today are NOT YOUR NUNS OF YOUR AND MY YOUTH! You need to fast forward about 50 years and catch up with what is happening today. I have read many articles about the LCWR’s meeting last month in St Louis and much of the reaction at this get together by LCWR’s leadership was very hostile and in-your-face towards the Vatican review. This hostility has been covered up by the USCCB’s Cath News Serv and some bishops. My local bishop published commentary by a contributor to his diocesan paper that attacked and condemned the Vatican review. I love the bishop’s ending comment “after all, men and women do think and make decisions differently”. Oh if it is only that simple!
Cole Thornton,
It is simple, Bishop Blaire is one of them! We here in the Diocese of Orange and the Archdiocese of Lost Angels know him only too well!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Even Archbishop Gomez is turning out to be a sheep waiting patiently to be feasted upon by wolfs..
Why is it these bishops always talk about superficial things such as administrative qualities? They never discuss holiness. Guess it is not part of their program.
Holiness? What is that? They never ever like heard of it if they were taught by these sorts of nuns.
Ok, it’s time for Bishop Blare to step down, “let another take his office.”
Bishop Blaire’s meeting was good to dialogue. But – – –
no where in this article did he mention that he encouraged them to read the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” to stop the heresy and schism of the LCWR,
Any meeting with a Bishop should include appropriate teaching from him.
On internet go to: ” What Catholics REALLY Believe Source “.
Read the home page, and then go to the 1st question and answer.
We must get all Bishops to actively promote the CCC to stop the schism and heresy – and to slow the relativism and secularism amongst Catholics that they have helped to create by not doing their TEACHING job properly.
Bishops and Priests first task is to TEACH. CCC 888.
Two things are evident by Bishop Blaire’s comments: (1) he is the poster boy for liberal bishops that are heavily invested in the radical politics of Democratic Socialism; (2) he is not too concerned with nuns that give scandal and, most importantly, with the possible impacts of such scandal, such as leading people away from the Church and salvation; and (3) he is a continuing reminder that there really is a “new” Catholic Church that was “implemented” after Vatican II. Bishop Blaire would likely be suspended by any Pope prior to Vatican II (as would many others). The poor LCWR simply are lost, and will insist on staying lost. Their demand for “dialog” is in keeping with Saul Alinsky type tactics of not letting go of “power”. These “sisters” are moving away from Christ and away from what they should and must do as nuns. Too bad these nuns are “hurt” (and the feminist movement really needs to get better words: “anger” and “hurt” and “outrage” and all of that no longer convey anything but cliches), but they are, in fact, largely Eco-pagan and espouse many doctrines incompatible with Catholicism. Bishop Sartain does not seem like the man for the job. No listening is required with the LCWR, only a faithful and loving re-direction of their activities. If the nuns fail to agree, then, as Cardinal Burke suggested, their organization has no legitimate purpose. Most of these orders will simply disappear within the next decade. The Church should not do anything to give them new life by agreeing to anything that they demand,
too bad he is responsible for the care of their souls. What a terrible burden for weak men
There are very many R.N.’s (real nuns) that have been hurt by the actions of those so-called nuns that are running around making a lot of noise and no sense, and not one of them are upset about the Vatican’s findings. If those nuns were true to the Church as they claim to be, there wouldn’t be any hurt, only love and OBEDENICE and our catholic schools would still be open and the catholic hospitals would still be filled with nuns and the schools and hospitals would still be CATHOLIC. They will have to answer to Jesus one of these days and they won’t be so smug with Him. +JMJ+
JMJ,
How right you are.
I have spent many a time with Real Women Religious who were scandalized by the actions of the Order they had given their vow of obedience to, only to find that their vow of obedience to Our Lord and His Mother had to take precedence. I wore out some handkerchiefs to sooth their holy tears.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
All the LCWR is being asked to do is to know the Faith and live the Faith and to make sure that the women in their orders know the Faith. It is really not that hard. Everyone in the USA knows what has happened to the Faith here. The Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious was set up in 1992 for sisters who who were holding fast to the faith.
This bishop seems to look at the entire world through rose-colored glasses. In his position of leadership, that attitude is potentially very, very destructive of the common good. He needs to retire along with Father Groeschel.
Ted: Read what both Fr. Michael and Fr. Karl have posted. The problem is not that the nuns are unappreciated, it is that there is a small sect of nuns who have gone rogue in their theology and are dissenting in from the Church in their words and actions. The Church acknowledges all the good works of the many holy women religious around the country but for several years has asked the LCWR to remain true to the vows they took upon entering their perspective orders. No one has the right to use their teaching authority to teach false doctrine and that is precisely what the LCWR has been doing now for many years after several pleas to stop. If anyone claims to be Catholic but teaches contrary to the faith, they are not truly uniting the Church but causing division and scandal and this is dangerous for many souls. God Love You.
MD, actually it is not a small sect. LCWR has 1500 members. It’s members are the leaders of women religious organizations representing 80% of the women religious in our country, over 45,000 of them. Bishop Leonard Blair of Toledo has said they are “promoting unilaterally new understandings and.a new kind of theology, not in accordance with the faith of the Church.”
K: not all the members of the LCWR are promoting heretical teachings. There are more orthodox women religious than schismatic women religious. The voices of the orthodox women have not been heard because of the loud bantering of the few dissenters who more publicly display their so-called modernist thinking. I liken this to the priest scandals; very few priests gave a bad name to the majority of good priests. There are so many wonderful orders of women who are super holy women in the US who are getting a bad name because of the unorthodoxy of the few and loud. We have to pray for the dissenters and support the wonderful women staying true to their vows and charism of their orders. God Love You.
Perhaps it is as you say. But I invite you to go to the LCWR website and then go to the CMSWR website and compare them.
K: I have looked at both sites. The LCWR has a new age feel, focuses on “social justice” and has pictures of a bunch of women who don’t in any way resemble women religious. The CMSWR shows women religious who look like women religious and links to true Catholic sites. There is definitely a major difference in the two sites. I invite you to watch the Obama’s Counterfeit Catholics on RealCatholic TV. It shows where “social justice” has gone and how it is a distortion of truth and does not represent the true teachings of the Catholic faith because it does not protect the unborn and promotes gay so-called marriage. God Love You.
Why do the good ones not leave and seek independence from the bad leadership.. (like St. Theresa of Avila did?)
MD, social justice would include protection of the unborn and defense of traditional marriage. Someone is misrepresenting the church’s teachings if it does not.
MD, I have begun that program many times but I get too agitated to finish it. Sinful people should not co-opt the social teachings of the Church for ends which are not holy.
K: The problem with social justice is how it has become perverted. Sr. Campbell for example considers herself a champion of social justice, but she is consistently places the need for insurance over the evil of abortion. We cannot consider it just to place medical insurance over the killing of babies. I like Michael Vorris because he is bold enough to proclaim the truth as he is like John the Baptist crying out in the desert for man to change. Mr. Vorris is saying that a lot of people on this site have been saying for many years now and is using social media to promote the true teachings of the Church. I commend him for that and for the guts to call a spade a spade. Us Catholics are both the problem and the solution in America because it was because of the Catholic vote that Obama was elected and it is through Catholic Social Teaching that we can achieve sanctity in our society. The problem is most Catholic don’t know true Catholic teachings and listen to feminized nuns who justify abortion for a secondary concern that has no value if we cannot defend life. Our first and primary concern has to be the end of abortion and if we fail at this, we will fail at everything else. God Love You.
As I have written before, the nuns were once the right hands of the priests. They took care and did excellent work in the hospitals, bringing the sick closer to Christ, and making it easier for the lapsed Catholic to return to the faith. The good sisters taught in schools, following Our Lord’s command to “Go forth and teach”. The majority of the gray panthers who make up the remaining sisters of today are actors: they are trying desperately to be priests, and are playing their parts quite well. By disrupting the Catholic Church, they are causing scandal, confusion,, and disunity to the Mystical Body of Christ. But the Holy Father has spoken: ‘If you hate the Church that much, then just LEAVE!” The sooner these apostates and traitors quit, the better off the Catholic Church will be. These red hots are dying off, and thank God there are good sisters in wonderful, and holy religious communities which will slowly but surely take their place. Appeasement is no way to deal with the liberals. Our Lord said, “He who is not with me, is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters”. Enough of these evil feminazis, and shame on the bishops who support their wickedness. God is not pleased with the terrible scandal they have caused the little ones.
Yes, once upon a time there were nursing and teaching sisters who gave their lives to Christ for the sake of souls.
Lets just mention the ‘hospital sisters’ i know personally–the sisters of charity of leavenworth. They are totally secular in new clothes, dyed hair, jewelry, etc. You will not see them with a rosary in their hand or at adortion and only rarely at a daily Mass. They live in apratments or houses like any secular. I would see a sister coming down the hall of the hospital with a big cup of designer coffee as I came out of the chapel for Mass. Some of the sisters had crystals and taught reiki and invited deprok chopra to speak. They were in administration. They never visited or comforted patients that I ever knew of. Never. They did not follow the originalcharism of the order. That is the kind of ‘nun’ I have known.
Yikes!
Amen, amen, I say, amen!
KARL, really, the “right hands of the priests?”
well, aren’t we all high and mighty!
i should think the nuns of old were serving as the hands and voice of someone much more important than the parish priest, namely JESUS, a call all the faithful are to follow.
max, so you’re a feminist also? Wow, what a bummer you must be going through!
not sure exactly what ‘feminist” means to you, or to me, for that matter.
i just find it hilarious that some guy clamiing to be a priest calls women the “right hands of the priests” as if they were there to do his bidding, bring his coffee, whatever.
in the old days, some of the old-fashioned nuns who ran scholls and hospitals would probably bonk him on the head for such talk.
wich would be rather cool to watych on you tube…
I get your point, Max. Three cheers to the nuns on the bus. These women are heroes to me. They are bringing Christ to people. I think they give good example to people. I know that nuns are not perfect. They are human like everyone else but they live lives of poverty, chastity and obedience. Many of our priests and bishops could never live lives of poverty like our religious sisters do and have done. I remember when I was young that some of the sisters got overly rough with the kids, but I look back and think of how many had to teach classes of 50 or more students and wear medieval habits with headpieces that hampered their eyesight and hearing. In a way they were overworked. Father Karl, you speak of our sisters as “gray panthers” and “feminazis”. Shame on you. A certain dislike for women is showing here.
Mark from PA: The Nun(s) on the bus are not living one of the three vows they took, namely obedience. This movement has undermined Church teaching on the matter of abortion and Sister Campbell is not only a strong supporter of Obama, but does not consider the abortion stance of this president or the democratic party to be evil. I heard her say that not passing the healthcare bill is more evil than abortion. Mark, this is an outright lie. Abortion is the greatest evil taking place in the world today and this woman who calls herself a nun and dresses like a lay woman is no more than a lay woman and is NOT in communion with the Church. Mark, watch the Sept. 5 episode of the Vortex with Michael Vorris called Dems War on Men and you will see how propaganda such as what Miss Campbell is promoting is outright evil and as Fr. Karl said, feminism. God Love You.
A religious sisters vow of obedience is to her Superior. There should be obedience and faithfulness to the teachings of the Church on faith and morals also.
It’s got to be the mercury used in the old gold mines leeching into the drinking water of SanFrancisco! A warning to anyone visiting the area…take your own drinking water or you’ll end up always missing the
point and reality will become just a fading memory. You might even end up being the left hand of Sister Simone on a bus to D.C.!! max is becoming a poster boy for feminuns.
Max: Please be respectful and call a priest Father. If a nun was the right-hand of a priest, remember a priest acts in persona Christi, so yes his statement is accurate. You may not agree with Fr. Karl, but at least be respectful of his priestly vocation. God Love You.
MD, Father Karl is a priest? He doesn’t sound like a priest.
“He doesn’t sound like a priest.” What absolute nerve. k, You don’t sound like a little ol’ housewife stuck out in the Peticoat Junction boonies. Especially when you hone in like a bat with radar to post crafty subliminal digs about Father Rodriguez and Father Guarnizo. Dead giveaway.
Catherine, just because someone uses the name Father X does not mean he is a preist. Did you read his post? Dead giveaway of what? A housewife in the boonies with the internet can do amazing things these days. Some of them make a living with it. Not me. I sit here and take trouble from you. Maybe I should re-examine my life. Crafty? Maybe I should get crafty. Make some nice Chirstmas decorations. Good idea.
Father,
Did you read what Cardinal Mahony said to the rebel Immaculate Hearts nuns. It was something like this: he gave them an uncalled for apology, and told them what happened to them would not have happened had he been in charge then. Mahony could not hold a candle to the memory of His Eminence Cardinal McYntire!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
That’s scandalous, Kenneth. It’s difficult not to be disheartened. I wonder what he’s up to as a cardinal?
” had he been in charge”: Mahony was not in charge, does not have a time machine, and his indulgence marketing pitch was shear fantasy. Fantasy is not the mark of a mature leader.
everybody gets hurt in our CHURCH and in every relgiion.
priest get hurt when their bishops discard them for accustations that turn out to be fasle.
parishioenrs get hurt when priests treat them like dirt because they are not rich and ‘important’
nuns get hurt when drag queens dress up to mock them, like that darned group here in san frncisco.
hurt is part of life, but i believe our job is not to cause it unjustly. sometimes hurt is necessary (for example, a parent hurting a childn’s feelings by syaing: “no, you can’t go to an all night party with boys present even though ‘all the other girls’ are allowed to go”)
There is no hope, just excommunicate the whole lot, let them go….
haha Canisius, you remind me of the Queen of Hearts…”Off with their heads!” I nominate you for the Committee Chair on Excommunication and Anathemazation for the Betterment of the Church and its Environs, the Alleviation of Suffering Sinners Bound for Glory and the Worsening of Scoundrels and Scalawags to their Great Discomfort with mtgs. to be held every fourth Tues. of the month, beginning promptly at 6 pm. no ifs ands or buts allowed! ;O)
Hey, Canisius is only reflecting the way the Church disciplined the faithful for countless centuries. Look what happens when this discipline stops … all Hell breaks loose.
JLS i still thnk the most efficient method of execution is the guillotine.
no way of it going, wrong, either!
recently saw a film from WW2 in which some anti-nazi dissidents were executed in this way, which is surely less painful that lethal injection, frying, or so on…
Yep, max, I discussed execution methods later and arrived at the best method being either guillotine or rope, with firing squad ok. But gas chambers are dangerous for others, lethal injection is a perversion of medicine and a cryptic, hidden way to execute. Execution needs to be carried out in the public square at noon with full publicity.
max, it is a dishonest and crafty as a fox, like Herod, to insinuiate that the death penalty is associated only with tyranical regimes. Jesus on the Cross tacitly agreed with the death penalty, advising that one of the doomed would gain Heaven and the other not. He also recommended that it is better for someone to be executed than that they harm His little ones.
I didn’t say I didn’t agree with him! I was just teasing him a bit for his forthrightness. Look at the so-called Sister Simone speaking at the Dem .conv, undermining the Church’s teachings. She should have been excommunicated long ago. When asked if she was against abortion she didn’t ‘know’, according to John McCormick’s recent blog on NOR news link. Canisius is correct and to the point.
The only good thing about the LCWR is that soon there won’t be any WR for the LC to worry about.
Typical liberal nonsense from Bishop Blaire, the Vatican is not our enemy even though far to many so called Catholic Religious representatives like to paint it that way. God Bless our Pontiff and those who work with him to weed out these bleeding heart liberals. Have you noticed how very very quiet our Catholic leaders have become even though the demoncrats have introduced an intrincially evil platform that defies God. Where are the Cardinals and Bishops hiding this time??? MGB
PAPA asks. “Where are the Cardinals and the Bishops hiding this time?”
Well PAPA, Some are hiding under the Democratic platform and some are openly inviting that same platform to civilly dine in the Temple.
Catherine I try to be humble but how can I remain humble when all I want to do is find a solution in firing the bad willed bishops and cardinals. They are causing my heart to swell and pretty soon I won’t be able to handle another article of bad news in what our church leaders are doing to mislead more souls.
Ah, to be ‘umble, there’s the difficulty, to be sure. It’s a hard, hard life! The solution, Abeca, is to be like our dear Bishop Blair and see it all as …well, I can’t rightly say how he’s sees it, but what he SAYS is ” It’s ten o’clock and all is well”. just look on the bright side of life!
It will be very interesting to see if Cardinal Dolan’s prayer is the same or different at the end of this convention.
Well, I for one won’t be watching to find out k, so you can be the one to find out for the rest of us, and report back. He may be so moved by all the impressive rhetoric of those silver-tongue democrats (such lights as Sandra Fluke of Georgetown U.of no free condoms fame, and Elizabeth Warren, the famous un-Indian who has lied about everything in her life up til now fame…wow! What a line up! Maybe they’ll be wearing numbers on their shirts) that he’ll be moved to pray that the Lord bring down fire and brimstones on the convention hall. Then again, maybe not.
I’ll find it on the internet and let you know. I don’t watch the convention.
Although I just saw a video of what happened when they amended the platform to include God and Jerusalem. Truly sad.
One of them, Dolan, is having dinner with the chief persecutor of the Church!
Viva Cristo Rey.
I have made holy cards of Blessed Jose Luis Sanchez del Rio with a prayers I produced and will send them to anyone who sends me a self addressed stamped envelope with a brief note of explanation. I am in the Anaheim, CA phone book.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
All Faithful Catholics have been hurt by the LCWR, and Bishops like Blaire.
Their Scandal and excuses makes the evangelization that we have all been called to by our Pope much more difficult.
We have also been hurt by all Bishops who refused to encourage reading of the CCC by all.
How long do you think it will take Bishop Blaire to publically apologize to Faithful Catholics ?
Great, kind and sensitive outreach to the sisters, Bishop Blair. It was good of you.
“The Sisters present were not all members of LCWR and included Religious Communities from other countries serving in the diocese of Stockton.” It appears that the sisters who met with the bishop were not members of the LCWR, and from what I could glean, were not in agreement with the LCWR, but were unable to do that, because it was possibly, POSSIBLY percieved that they were represented by the LCWR. From my understanding, these women were pained at that perception and the inability to have those in charge understand that they were in union with the magestarium, and wanted to remain so. I hope the bishop understands THAT, and will help those sisters gain the voice they want and need, so that they will have a full voice in this process of establishing a dialogue with Archbishop Peter Sartain of Seattle. God bless them all, and I hope only the best for all involved.
I really have had no contact to speak of with nuns who entered the novitiate after Vatican II. I think like most that this might be what we are attempting to sort out. Any religious order, no matter how much they think they are doing for what they now believe should return to a completely secular life exactly where they belong. Just observing and listening to what is now teaching in our parochial, high and colleges even RCIA is pretty amazing compared to what we were taught. Of course this applies to many of the priests during the same era. It’s time to release them from their vows and form secular brotherhoods and sisterhoods if that is what they desire. One may call t his splitting up the church but it’s been a long time coming.
4 more years until he is gone!
How difficult Bishop Blaire’s job is; he he damned if he hears those who are hurt, and condemned if he is insensitive. There is no mercy expressed by so many who are so good at judging others as evil, considering themselves faithful. They shall receive the same amount of mercy. I suppose “What would Jesus say?” has no place here because Jesus is left out as a liberal renegade who should be excommunicated. When that happens the “faithful” can have their church, and the true merciful and Faithful can have their Church. History repeats itself even with God’s Son.
Cassandra, I mean Cheryl, I feel your pain. Oh, it’s a scandal and a shame indeed, poor man, indeed! Bishop Blair is maligned by liberal renegades and , oh, history repeats itself…he’s another Chist? Is that a pearl on your nose or a tear? Oops, here’s a tissue, darling. Remember in times of stress to keep a stiff upper lip, stay calm and carry on! Righteeo, then. Glad to help. Carry on. Here’s another tissue. (poor thing)
Bishop Stephen Blaire, who this story is about, is the bishop of Stockton CA. Bishop Leonard Blair of Toledo OH is one of the three bishops who have been charged by the Vatican with the task of working with the LCWR to help them bring conformity to Church teachings to their orders.
Why do these women keep complaining and whining and feel “hurt.”. What is their problem? They go to bed at night in their cozy little single beds, have managed to shake off any convent chains and eat well, travel well and have great companionship to keep them company. The problem with them is, they want it THEIR way or no way. They like the chaos, it helps keep the church in a little turmoil….so they think. They act like a bunch of sassy teenage girls……and they still do what they want anyway. Ladies just sit down and be quiet, try a little more prayer……especially for those who are losing their minds and their souls!
My dog feels hurt because I won’t let him inside because he peed there. These dissident nuns should be kicked outside until they stop peeing on the carpet.
very sensible dog-ma.
JLS, it is a good thing that you didn’t go to Catholic school. You would have been in a constant battle with the sisters. Some may think you are funny but your comments just show what you think of religious sisters. What was your opinion of them before you became a Catholic? How much worse was it then?
That is ridiculous, your comments PA because when JLS was young he had a different thinking it was when he grew up that his mindset became more obedient to God.
Maybe the faithful should carry around holy water and splash it on every nun they run into.
My final thoughts on these disobedient nuns…..I agree with Canisius.
There’s a reason THIS Bishop Blair is not the one entrusted by the Church to deal with these women.
Enough already with these herertic women who call themselves “sisters and nuns” they are neither. The 1960’s and 70’s are over and they have been left behind, now we have Traditional sisters filling the void of the Vatican 2 radicals. As for the bishop really? He feels their hurt how about the hurt of over 40,000,000 murdered babies that these radicals did nothing to stop!!! Better the Church has a small amount of believers than many who do not, so said the Holy Father Pope Benedict the XVI himself.
Janek, I recently saw an interview with Cardinal Burke but I can’t remember who interviewed him. He said that the bishops created the Leadership Conference of Women Religious in I think it was 1958 and he said they could take it away as well. He sounded really disgusted. Did anyone else see the interview? I think it may have been on Life Site News with a their really sweet Rome correspondent Hillary White, who is so astute!
Does going to heaven ever feature in the thoughts of some of these people?
“i feel your pain” (bill clinton)
Mark PA, the “Nuns on the bus” are heretics and schimatics.
They do not adhere to all Church teachings, in fact they purposely ignore many of them, causing their actions to help lose souls for eternity rather than save souls for eternity.
You need to start reading the CCC if you are Catholic as you profess to be.
They need to leave the Catholic Church, and go to something that supports there heretical beliefs.
There is too much being made of all this visitation and these women’s hurt feelings. Btw, the poster who said there are orthodox members of the lcwr is very gravely mistaken. The lcwr claims representation of 45000 sisters in the US. What people don’t realize is that this number is actually a pathetic testament to what is going to happen to all of these communities with the very quick passage of time. Look up the number of congregations who claim to be members and then look at the total membership again but to include the actual numbers of each congregation that claims membership( if I’m not mistaken there are even communities who used to be members but have since closed due to lack of vocations). After that, look at the censuses of these same communities in 1963. After you reflect on that demise in such a short time one can only realize what will happen to the present memener congregations and the lcwr within 30 years , they will be defunct! Conclusion: these women “pioneers” have singlehandedly taken their rolls from strong vibrant numbers to extinction in less than 50 years, Kudos! As JP2 so aptly pointed out, the church is destined to become much smaller and thereby more cohesive through these trying years. These bishops and priests and nuns who have tried to run it into the ground will end up leaving, either of their own volition or through natural causes. The faithful just have to wait it out and pray.