The following comes from a September 27 Washington Post article by Julie Zauzmer:
Divorce rates climbed to the highest levels ever in the 1980s, when about half of all marriages ended in divorce.
And in the present day, Americans are rapidly becoming less religious. Since 1972, the share of Americans who say they do not adhere to any particular religion has increased from 5 percent of the population to 25 percent.
Could those two trends be related? A new study from the Public Religion Research Institute says yes. The children of divorced parents have grown up to be adults of no religion.
People whose parents divorced when they were children are significantly more likely to grow up not to be religious as adults, the study found. Thirty-five percent of the children of divorced parents told pollsters they are now nonreligious, compared with 23 percent of people whose parents were married when they were children.
“A lot of the narrative around the rise of the nones, or the rise of the non-affiliated, has focused on how there’s changing cultural preferences, that people are choosing to move away from religion,” said Daniel Cox, one of the researchers on the new study. “I think there’s also a structural part of the story that has not gotten as much attention. We wanted to focus on the way millennials were raised, which is different from any previous generation. And part of that is they’re more likely to have grown up with parents who are divorced.”
Cox said his team found that even children of divorced parents who are religious are less religious than their peers. Thirty-one percent of them go to services every week, compared with 43 percent of religious people whose parents were married when they were growing up.
Andrew Root, a professor at Luther Seminary who has written a book about the spiritual consequences of divorce for children, was not surprised to hear about the study’s findings.
“Everything in a divorce gets divided. Literally everything. Parents’ friends get divided. Relatives get divided. Everyone takes sides,” Root said. “Even religion takes sides. The church gets divided. Dad leaves Mom’s faith, or vice versa. Negotiating those worlds becomes difficult.”
Root said churches are not doing enough to speak directly to the concerns of children in those situations, so the kids lose faith in the ability of the church to help them. He said that when the divorce rate climbed in the 1980s, many members of the clergy, especially mainline Protestant pastors, stopped speaking out against divorce so as not to alienate struggling congregants. But by going silent on the subject, they didn’t offer any comfort to the kids.
As adults, Root said, those same people do not believe the church will respond to their adult problems. “They’re now thinking, ‘I’m dealing with depression.’ Or, ‘I’m dealing with my own marital troubles.’ The church must not have anything to say to me, because when I was 8 and dealing with divorce, my Sunday-school teacher didn’t even say, ‘Man, Amanda, that must be really complicated for you’,” Root said.
To establish a good culture for Traditional Marriage and Family, our country needs to promote faith in God, and regular attendance at the church/synagogue (etc.) of one’s choice, as in previous eras. The “hippie culture,” with its ugly, loud, filthy rock “music,” vile language, promiscuity, pornography, and dope, needs to be discouraged and suppressed, until people give up on it! Feminism needs to die– and instead, we need to demand a healthy RESPECT for womanhood, and for wifehood, and motherhood! We also need RESPECT for MANHOOD, and being a good husband and father— and for a man’s natural place in the world! Continued…
Continued… All men need to be taught MANHOOD, and expected grow up to be MEN! That includes training in GOOD CHARACTER, and RESPONSIBILITY TO GOD and to SOCIETY– plus, NO MALE CHAUVINISM!!! All men must have RESPECT for their MOTHERS, and for ALL WOMEN!! No degrading of women, nor seeking to puff up one’s ego, and flatter oneself– with an immature “superiority complex,” towards women!! IMMATURE!!! Pornography, promiscuity, birth control, and abortion, must be extremely discouraged, and outlawed! Abortion must be labelled a CRIME, with extremely serious penalties, as in the past! Children must be valued and protected, by our society!
Finally, our society need to discourage gay sex acts, and outlaw them, as well as pervert homosexual “marriage.” Our society needs to teach respect, love, and support, for all its citizens— and provide necessary help, for those who are hurt and confused, struggling with the “LGBT” illnesses. We need a place of love, acceptance, and value, for those who will not be able to marry! We also need regular events, and traditions, to bring us closer together as a society, such as regular, special family events and activities, and traditions such as Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter, etc. Then, we also need nice singles’ activities and events, too, where they can meet!
Doesn’t Linda M’s ‘plan’ shift the morals of the country to the heavenly realm on earth? Can we get there easily? No, but we can do much better by supporting the good! Back to reality: Sodom & Gomorrah has been unleashed here in America thanks to the orders of this POTUS RE: gay marriage, openly gay military, potty laws, civil VS religious rights, etc. Yet when given a clear choice for ‘good works’, too many good people continue to vote carelessly in a way that enables this moral evil to win & even thrive………..
Continued……..Why do so many ignore the need to stick together for the greater good? God only knows! Some of it is sinful choices. Some make small & petty excuses. Some have personality preferences. Some would say, ‘ideals’. Others are brainwashed by the biased media. Note: We are doomed as a Religious nation if this continues, because that’s how evil wins. Divide & concur. If we the good continue to look for ‘the best perfect choice’ & waste our vote, guess what, the perfect American dream may as well be dead. So do not be upset when all hell comes down on America 4 years from now if you waste your vote. PAX.
From the Pew, I agree with your logical questions and consistent posts. Please remember that we have had other posters on CCD who sound very Traditional and then BOOM, all of the sudden, the real agenda comes shining through loud and clear. I do not believe that a poster could on one hand show such patience and charity to the troll who has been actively “VILE” on CCD and then all of the sudden flip off the steady stream of saccharin sweet charity and viciously attack a candidate that they have never met. Perhaps Linda Maria has simply been practicing some Traditional sounding rope a dope skills.
Catherine, Thanks for the tip. I have been suspecting the same thing for a few posts now. The devil is in the details….one might say. God Bless You!
Having a presidential candidate from a major party who’s currently in an adulterous relationship doesn’t even merit a mention now, not even from otherwise faithful Catholics. Adultery in ANY situation doesn’t even have to be explained away or rationalized; and now adultery will no longer even be an official barrier to Holy Communion. I guess we will be referring to the Nine Commandments from now on; the Catechism will need to be revised all over again.
Forty years ago, all this would have been utterly unthinkable.
DN, Obviously you missed the memo. Months ago, the POPE said it’s ok to vote for Trump as he is a ‘Christian’, when asked at some ‘whatever’ event. He is obviously not: perfect (are any of us?), a Catholic Christian & is not held to the same rules. So judging his personal life this way is actually quite elitist. A bit harsh especially in the year of mercy? Why not compare facts regarding the non-negotiables? Do you propose people actually vote for the devil in the red pantsuit that adores abortion & planned parenthood? May God’s peace rest on people of goodwill.
Lol, no FTP, the Pope implied Donald Trump was NOT a Christian based on Trump’s campaign positions (NYT 2/18/16), and Trump in turn started one of his feuds with the Pope. The Pope didn’t say “it’s ok to vote” for ANY candidate, nor would he ever endorse a particular U.S. candidate.
So adultery is only a sin for Catholics? It’s elitist to point out someone is living in adultery?
DN, Your backwards on that. The pope did not endorse, that is correct. The ? to him, was it ok/allowed? Pope said, Yes because Trump is Christian (& with Christian values of Pro-life & Pro-family = PROs). (To verify is easy: Search Trump’s many endorsements on those PROs topics & the PROs coalitions he has working with him.) I’m looking for the reference to share with you/others here. I believe I’ll find it as it was posted here not that long ago. It was NOT in the NYT as they unfairly spin, well everything, into an anti-Trump/pro-Clinton tale. It would have come from a more reliable Christian or Vatican source. Searching…….
PS to DN,………You should really consider Trump divorced & re-married for one thing; unless you are being ‘elitist or Catholic’. His case is not adultery in the sense of ‘civilized’ society, right? (VS religions with no-divorce standards which BTW are very few.) In comparison. Past presidential behavior like — The Kennedy brothers or so the story goes — from Marilyn Monroe to poor dead, MaryJo Kopechne or the impeached B. Clinton & Monica, plus a long list of ‘other’ women. Now THAT is ‘outside of marriage’ = adultery. But in all fairness. not at all the same as Trump’s divorce and re-marriage(s). …………
Wow talk about slippery slopes. Either Trump is living in adultery or he is not. What is this “civil society” stuff when you are using religion to support his candidacy? You want to give him a pass on being a personal serial adulterer? And you pull out MaryJo Kopechne – who did not even have a relationship to any president! Clue: Ted Kennedy is not on the ballot, my friend. He’s not even alive. And his hopes to become president went over that bridge too, and died right there with Kopechne, as they ought to have.
The Pope has said to study their proposals, pray and then vote according to your conscience.
There was a fake story on the internet that the Pope endorsed Trump. He did not endorse either one.
Actually I thought Dave’s reference to a “candidate in an adulterous relationship” was about Hillary and Huma. Am I right, Dave?
Dan in D ville, Very funny! Love sarcasm. But UGH….not something I want to think about. Have you looked at the headline in Drudge today? Bill C’s son (?) via an adulterous relationship he is accused of having while Gov. of AR. The kid better watch his back.
No, Hillary and Huma can’t get married in the eyes of the Church.
Dave N, Merriam-Webster’s definition of adultery:
“a married person who has sex with someone who is not that person’s wife or husband.”
It doesn’t depend on who can marry whom “in the eyes of the Church”.
– – Ronald Reagan was divorced (that does not make it right) just saying.
– – Hillary Clinton does not believe in ‘Freedom of Religion’ and has publically stated that religious beliefs MUST change to support abortion.
– – In addition, Clinton wants to repeal the HYDE Amendment, forcing ALL taxpayers to pay for the torture and murder of innocent unborn human beings at any stage of development and for any reason.
Trump is an EVIL MAN, WITH NO MORAL CONSCIENCE AT ALL!!! He is a VILE RACIST!! He also is a VIOLENT, VILE RACIST TOWARDS WOMEN!! And his INSULTS to the poor, suffering Gold Star parents of the young soldier who was killed– are BEYOND HORROR!! And what little moral conscience he has, goes constantly, hypocritically flip-flopping– to greedily get votes for himself! That’s all! He could CARE LESS, about real human beings, in this world!! Our family will write-in candidates’ names, such as Sen. Rick Santorum, Sen. Ted Cruz, or Sen. Marco Rubio.
Linda Maria, if you don’t like Trump, you will surely not like Hillary’s Supreme Court choices if you waste your vote writing in names of those who can’t possibly win.
Calm down and THINK.
LM, I usually appreciate your posts. But unless you know Trump personally, this post is a shocking attack on a good, but not perfect man. Most find Trump refreshing BECAUSE he is SO honest. He makes mistakes, admits it, corrects them & tries to do better, just like the rest of us! He isn’t perfect & he doesn’t PRETEND to be like all the others! Haven’t you ever made a mistake & corrected it? MERCY! This is either the sin of Detraction or Calumny is you care. WHY? Continued…………….
Continued & Correction to last sentence above — should say IF (not IS) you care to know. Why? Many Christians (& myself) have a very positive opinion about Trump & what he is DOING with his outstanding Pro-life collation & the Pro-Christion team. Do you know, the good Rick SANTORUM is on one of these teams? Some even believe (forget the pastors name) that God made Trump for “a time like this”. To save Christianity in America as NO ONE else is interested in protecting our Religious Freedoms (RF). BTW, the late, great Phyllis Shafly was stabbed in the back by RUBIO. She knew him personally & supported Trump, before her recent death, because of his moral stability.
Continued….NOTE: Phyllis SCHIAFLY, a conservative ICON & Pro-family LADY on the National stage, creator of the Eagle Forum, not only endorsed Trump, she stumped for him before her death. (Search & verify.) She really knew much more about the depth & character of this good man Trump then we can ever know form the media coverage (which is slanted & supports ‘the devil in the red pantsuit’) . Guess you & your family disagree with all the good people trying to save what is left of Religious America. God help us, when seemingly good people, can be so wrong & mis-informed. Praying for God’s peace to rest on people of good will.
Continued….. Didn’t you hear this reported back when? Very sad to say, but the ‘good’ Ted Cruz showed his true colors (all for himself) when he stabbed the truly good Ben Carson in the back in IOWA by announcing (not his place to do) Carson was ‘drooping out’ so Cruz could get those votes. That’s when Cruz lost my support for Pres. though he’d make a great S. C. Justice. And do you know, Cruz recently endorsed Trump? That’s how horrific the alternative is for America!. Think. Pray. Remember the S. C. Justices & F. C. Justices ( 70% are liberal BO picks). Have Mercy on America.
Really, you must stop fooling yourself. Regardless of what you might think of Clinton, Trump is NOT a good man. good men do not do and say the things Trump says.
Oh, he might say things inarticulately and crass but he isn’t responsible for good courageous men getting killed and a young girl being hammered in a trial by Hillary, the lover of children, while getting off the man who brutalized and raped her.
I agree with you, Your Fellow Catholic! Also, it is true, that Clinton will probably destroy the Supreme Court, and further erode our judicial system, if she is President. Many conservative Republicans, like the late Phyllis Schlafly, perhaps felt trapped, having no one else to promote! Very sad! And Trump is untrustworthy– he constantly flip-flops on all the issues! If Trump is President, he will no doubt harm many good people, with his cruelty and low character, and will be a DISASTER for both domestic and foreign relations! A VILE, VIOLENT, MALICIOUS, UN-CHRISTIAN, IRRESPONSIBLE MONSTER!!
Linda Maria, you wrote, “I agree with you, Your Fellow Catholic! ” = HUGE RED FLAG!
That post is very interesting and almost as naughty as the naughty comments you wrote about Bishop Sheen. Something is quite fishy and I am not talking about the Christian symbol for the fish.
This reminds me of the poster who had always sounded Traditional but then tried to test the water and slip in the pre-canonization of a same sex marriage activist.
Catherine, I smell a RAT too. Good work putting two & two together!
“…A VILE, VIOLENT, MALICIOUS, UN-CHRISTIAN, IRRESPONSIBLE MONSTER!!”
What is truly vile is pretending to be civilized, restrained, demure, and polite while working toward that which is evil. And globalism. The Republican elite have been doing that behind the scenes, even while touting the exterior suit of family values and love of country. (Think smooth talker.)
Donald Trump may not be the clean tool you’d like, but we do not deserve the shiny object that makes us “feel” holy and good. We’ve failed for decades, being led by what “looks” good, not what “is” good.
“… If Trump is President, he will no doubt harm many good people, with his cruelty and low character, and will be a DISASTER for both domestic and foreign…
….this is pure conjecture, LM. What WILL bring disaster both foreign and domestic is ignoring the warning Clinton has given by announcing her intentions. Throwing away your vote with a fret-filled write in will only play to Clinton’s benefit. And quite handily.
Trump should get your vote based solely on the promise to secure our country. Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is at play. We can talk debate skills and the high shine of knight armor after the war is addressed.
Don’t be so easily led. Don’t be so easily fooled. Don’t be so easily herded into the slaughterhouse.
Catherine, Ann Malley, From the Pew, etc. etc.– I think all of you should set aside WORLDLY POLITICS for CHRIST! And open your hearts, find the GOOD in other Catholic posters, and reward them kindly, with words to encourage them! NOT write un-Christian words to hurt others, who are your fellow Mass-goers, in church! Why do that? We all are supposed to be in Christ, together– even posters you disagree with, can’t you try to find the common unity, in Christ?? Don’t you think that is what our Church is trying to do?
Ann Malley– I think Maslow’s so-called “hierarchy of needs” is a useless academic tool, which lots of college professors in the psych classes like to include, in lectures. In real life– NO! We each need to look at our own lives, realistically, and see our true needs, with our own two eyes! Not use silly academic “baloney,” from an ivory tower! That is the way I see it! And do not worry about my vote– that is SILLY!! We are all CATHOICS TOGETHER, IN CHRIST!! That’s all that matters!
As for you YFC, I say this prayer…..Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy. Note: The exorcist, Fr. Amorth, explains much about disturbances & possession in his last book, The article @ http://www.catholicexchange.com/gabriele-amorth-exorcists-last-testament/
May God’s peace rest on all people og good will!
Continued……Typo correction, last sentence should say:
May GOD’s peace rest on all people OF good will.
Thank you, From The Pew, for the link to the story of Fr. Amorth’s last book, and also the article summing up some of his life story.
I recall an interview of Amorth in “30 Days”, in the mid-2000’s, where he begged P. John Paul II to allow him and his fellow exorcists (they were convening at that time in Rome to urge JP2 to allow the Rituale Romanum as an alternative text to the “New Rite of Exorcism”, the new rite having many flaws) to “exorcise all the demons that inhabit the Curia”. Amorth said that JP2 was favorable to the idea, but declined his request eventually, because of the furor it would set off.
A shame he couldn’t have been granted permission.
Thank you for your prayers, FTP. I would be the last person to say I don’t need them!
What a joke, Clinton is a fundamentally dishonest power hungry witch….who will declare open war on the Church, she herself has said that deep seated religious beliefs have to change.
Bohemond, Perfect except for one tiny addition if I may? The ‘devil with the red pant suit on’ = SOUL LESS. She WILL eliminate whatever is left of our Religious Rights (RR) & actively attack the mere mention of the non-negotiable Catholic Religious beliefs outside the walls of the church. This has started already with the POTUS stating the prominence of Civil Right law (over RR law) as in Trans-Potty Rights in schools/public spaces. How? Easily thru the POTUS’s 70% liberal COURTS & JUSTICE appointments. Only God will be able to help us Christians if she gets to make appointments to the Supreme Court too.
Barbara, and From the Pew— We really have NO ONE to vote for, in this election! A horrible RACIST who says HORRIBLE things to hurt other good people, surely cannot be a Presidential candidate! Want to vote for a “Ku Klux Klan” member? Trump is also VIOLENTLY VICIIOUS to women! And he so HURT the poor, suffering parents of the brave, Gold Star American serviceman killed in Afghanistan!! I cried and cried, when I realized Trump was a RACIST– I saw Trump MALICIOUSLY attack poor Gov. Jeb Bush, making HORRIFIC RACIST “KKK”-style comments, about his “Mexican” wife! Hitler was a RACIST, too— yet, the Germans “excused” it! WHY??
Barbara and From the Pew– I am sure you both are good Catholics, who mean well! I have terrible GRIEF over this horrible Presidential election! The Germans elected Hitler, and many Germans ignored his evil racism against the Jews, poor handicapped people, and homosexuals– all three groups were executed, under Hitler! Hitler was SATANIC!! You should always freely express your views, and vote for the candidate of your choice! I only HURT SO MUCH, for the poor, good Americans, that Trump VIOLENTLY, MALICIOUSLY ATTACKS!! Of course, that is what he will also do, as President!! HORRIFIC!!
Linda Maria…You are right. We Catholics are “Political Orphans.” I’m thinking I might write in Kasich!
I thought you could just write in a candidate.Turns out it is not that easy. I did not know about ballot access laws and requirements for write ins to have filed paperwork in the state in order to be counted. The time is ripe for a third party to arise. I think there would be a lot of support for a truly Catholic candidate. And a party that puts the human person first in all things.
C&H, Maybe a perfect match? Kasich = loser globalist with a bruised (bigger then life) ego. Ran with the GOP but had more of a democrat bent. So much so, articles said, G. Soros (global puppet maker) gave Kasich’s campaign money to keep him afloat, Looks like most people caught on, as he only won Ohio & that was because they want to get rid of him! How telling.
LM, You sound like you drank the CNN or NYT cool aid. Trump won fair & square. If you like J. Bush, after he pushed global interests vs America’s interests during the campaign, then we have different views about the direction of America. As a governor, I thought Jeb was a good man until he did not lift a finger to help the family of Terri Schavio. Remember that? It was her death sentence! I pay attention to world affairs & my eyes have been open to the damage made by this POTUS in the name of the global agenda . ………..
Continued………. Because of the shape America’s in, we need someone NOT part of that Washington Establishment to turn America around. Like Brexit in the UK were the people rose up to TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK.. Didn’t that resonate with you? Anyway, you kid yourself if you did not hear/see Jeb slinging the malicious comments back at whomever just as much as anybody. He dished it out too. They all did. Some are just sore losers. Why? Because they feel they are entitled, as part of the establishment & they know better what is good for America, ignoring the people. May God’s peace rest on people of good will.
OMG Linda, you sound like you have all the Democrat talking points all down pat. He’s not a racist or a member of the KKK. I will admit that he is brash in his comments but he is also not violently vicious towards women.
From the Pew, Barbra, Elizabeth M., and others— When I was in school, you had to follow good rules, for debates. It was an HONOR, to make the school Debate team! You could not get up there, and insult others, with evil, racist comments– you would get KICKED OUT and DISCIPLINED!! You had to act very GROWN-UP, INTELLIGENT, and PROFESSIONAL, with the skills you learned in class! I am HORRIFIED that Americans NO LONGER FOLLOW GOOD RULES– for grown-ups to hold their debates! This is SICKENING!! A HORRIBLE example, for kids to see! Continued…
As for Jeb Bush, who is Catholic, pro-life, and pro-Traditional Marriage– Trump was UNPROFESSIIONAL and ACTED LIKE A HORRIBLE CRIMINAL to Gov. Bush, with his evil comments about his wife! I do not favor one candidate over the other, just that all the candidates be FAIR and ACT GROWN-UP in debates– or else, get kicked out! And YES, it is true, that Hillary will do HORRIFIC DAMAGE to our Nation!! Destroy the Supreme Court, destroy our already immoral judicial system, and erode American morality to the dumpsters! Now– WHO WOULD LIKE TO RUN FOR OFFICE, NEXT?? Continued…
I think the churches in our country all need to strongly teach and preach good Christian morals, cultivate strong Christian family life, and vehemently discourage the slimy, filthy, rock “music,” promiscuity, and dope-infested youth culture! GET RID OF THE SECOND-RATE, LOW-CLASS, IMMORAL “GHETTO,” WHICH IS THE AMERICAN YOUTH CULTURE!! EVERYONE GROW UP AND BECOME ALL ONE, GOOD AMERICAN CULTURE!! Then, cultivate good political leaders, formed from the bedrock of good, Christian family values! We then will have a much-better country!
Are you sure? https://www.snopes.com/2016/10/03/rape-lawsuit-refiled-against-donald-trump/
Linda Maria, If Hillary Clinton gets elected you’ve lost any chance to help all those babies who are going to be slaughtered. Also,, Hillary has said that churches need to change their teachings on marriage equality and abortion and the Supreme Court will be lost for generations.
Elizabeth M., you are so right! Hillary will do HORRIFIC DAMAGE to our Nation! She has completely DUMPED her good, strong, Methodist Midwestern American upbringing — for “Satanic Hippie Trash,” to get her votes! She sold her soul to the Devil! Tragic! But we still have hope! America can get busy, right now, and start to cultivate a strong, Christian family bedrock, once again, and encourage good, solid Christian candidates to run for office, and support them! That is our hope, for America’s future! P.S. Everyone must vote for whom they think is best, so I do respect that!
“… America can get busy, right now, and start to cultivate a strong, Christian family bedrock, once again, and encourage good, solid Christian candidates to run for office, and support them!”
That’s why its imperative to join our votes together and support that candidate who will do the most to protect the religious liberty of the United States, LM. Not write in a name thinking we are doing good while, in truth, just throwing away our opportunity to defend/protect, at the most basic level, our Church, our families, and our country.
“OMG Linda, you sound like you have all the Democrat talking points all down pat.”
Excellent deduction Watson!…. I mean Elizabeth M.
Donald Trump Being Praised by Jesse Jackson for Helping African American Community – YouTube
That is from 1998. Presumable in 1998 he felt that being racist was bad for business. In 2016, he seems to think that being racist is good for getting votes. How we have sunk in our country.
I literally have no idea what is in his heart. But I know for certain that he pedals racism onto the American electorate.
“I literally have no idea what is in his heart. But I know for certain that he pedals racism onto the American electorate.” = LM’s new friend (wink wink)
The revolving paid troll who uses the name YFC pretends to care about about the welfare of persecuted immigrants. This troll insisted that the homeschooling family, who came to the U.S., to escape persecution for their Christian homeschooling values, had no rights. This revolving operative wanted this Christian family run out on a rail. Pay attention to those operatives who insult CCD in order to influence others to shut down free speech. Each diocese has had its own operative to remove anyone who staunchly upholds “all” Church teaching. This is why CCD is so vital. Linda Maria…
Linda Maria criticized CCD for showcasing how operatives work to silence faithful Catholics. Anyone who has witnessed the “REAL VILE” treatment against faithful priests and Catholics within a diocese would never attack CCD. They would recognize the importance of exposing evil. What better way than to sound like a Traditional sounding Aunt B from the Andy Griffith era while using that strategy to advocate or influence political topics or as one previous poster’s attempt to pre-canonize a same sex marriage activist. There’s nothing merciful about feeding soap opera drama to emotionally control the gullible sheep.
Why do you keep bearing false witness about me Catherine? You have been told at least a dozen times that I’m not paid to be on this site. Please tell the truth.
Catherine, you really are giving me far too much importance! My opinions and ideas are my own, and yours are your own! So what?? My posts are not of the importance that you are giving them! Neither are yours! The only thing that matters to me, is the sad demise of our Church and country, and the tragic immorality everywhere–with tragic results! Yes, there will be immense suffering, in America, due to sin — as always! Very painful! Same thing, in Christ’s era– He almost didn’t get born, and next, jealous King Herod was out to kill Him! And History just goes on and on!!
Bless you, Catherine! But Elizabeth is right— Hillary will bring DISASTER! Anyway, each person should vote for the candidate of their choice!
Standing up for civility and against sins of the tongue does not make someone a Democrat. Please don’t start one of your campaigns against LM. You know you have a bad habit of vindictiveness where the person can’t post here without you posting and saying mean false things about them. She is an elderly woman. Please have mercy on her.
There is nothing wrong with standing up for civility, but a desire for the appearance of civility is absolutely no reason to throw away one’s vote.
One must ALWAYS stand up and defend people, who are BULLIED!! NO EXCUSES!! BULLYING and NAMAE-CALLING ARE A HORRIBLE SIN!! INEXCUSABLE!! So sad, to see good Catholic wives and mothers LIE about their Christian Faith and Morals, to obtain secular political goals, excusing or even falsely justifying TRULY EVIL behavior, of second-rate candidates!
I once signed up to volunteer as a reader for the Blind with a well-known San Francisco organization, many years ago. At that time, I found out, sadly, that there was NO CENSORSHIP of any materials, and that volunteers MUST READ any and all materials requested of them! Well, I went to the readers’ training, for one day– and was given, first, several news articles, written by different sick, immature, racist, bullying journalists! One was about Blacks, with use of profanity, and the “N” word. The other was about the Jews– same thing! Continued…
Continued… The next piece I was given, was filthy pornography!They obviously were NOT a true charity organization, with a good Code of Ethics, (their Code of Ethics was abandoned, after the filthy 1960’s!) doing GOOD to their helpless, needy clients! What would poor, suffering, needy blind Black and Jewish clients think, of this TRASH?? And who in the world is STUPID ENOUGH– NO MORAL CONSCIENCE!!– TO VOLUNTEER TO READ PORNOGRAPHY TO IMMORAL, FILTHY BLIND MEN?? I angrily ripped up their SICKENING material, and walked out!!
You are a vanishing breed, Linda Marie. God bless you. May Servant of God Fulton J. Sheen intercede for you in all your temporal and spiritual needs for all the rest of your life.
“You are a *vanishing* breed, Linda Marie. God bless you.” = IOW. we won’t be hearing from those who have been exposed.
Thanks, Anonymous, and may God bless you! So nice, that you feel as I do!
Catherine, YES I am a “vanishing breed,” of dedicated Christians! Aren’t YOU one, too?? Christians are loving, kind-hearted people, with a GOOD HEART, who love to do and to find GOD’S GOODNESS in the world– and to PRAISE, SUPPORT, and ENCOURAGE the GOOD that others around them, may try to do!! Catherine, to childishly tear to pieces other devout, good, sincere Catholics— all for shabby, sinful POLITICS won’t do! Where is Christ, in your heart?? DO vote for the political candidate you want– but don’t let it poison your heart, towards Christ and His sincere Catholics! Our Church has such little left, of Christianity– tomorrow, there may be almost NOTHIG!! Be thankful for what you have!
“Christians are loving, kind-hearted people, with a GOOD HEART, who love to do and to find GOD’S GOODNESS in the world– and to PRAISE, SUPPORT, and ENCOURAGE the GOOD that others around them, may try to do!! ” = IOW you weren’t a very dedicated Christian to Mr. Trump, were you?
This isn’t about praise or politics. You gave yourself away by choosing to posture and align yourself with the, (I’ll use your loving Christian word) “VILE” operatives on CCD. Those same operatives aligned themselves with you too. I now believe that all of the Facebook rantings about you were staged. But thank you AND k-anonymous for demonstrating what lengths your “vanishing breed” will go to.
Linda Maria, I think you are making a good attempt to calm that poster down, but you have been here long enough to realize that her MO is to horde up posts she doesn’t like and then resurrect them, sometimes years later, to use against them. What is particularly telling is that there are posters like yourself who agree with 90 or 95 or 99%, but disagree on one small thing, &you are now her enemy for life. I’ve seen her chase at least one victim off this site. You seem to be her next target. Good luck & God bless.
“….all for shabby, sinful POLITICS.”
This is nothing but false posturing to evade the reality that we have been given the opportunity to vote and have a duty to do so. Whether or not we may personally find politics shabby, sinful, etc.
We live in the world, LM, and must make the best of this valley of tears. Not pretend that water, shelter, etc and politics are beneath us.
“What is particularly telling is that there are posters like yourself who agree with 90 or 95 or 99%, but disagree on one small thing, & you are now her enemy for life.” = Birds of a feather, flock together….especially in small matters of pre-canonizing same sex activists.
“‘I’ve seen her chase at least one victim off this site.” = Why thank you, for the compliment! IF ONLY, our lead shepherds had helped you in the same way by chasing out the unfaithful charlatans who catechized you! That’s how it’s done! You gather a paper trail of witnesses and evidence to prove the undermining of Church teaching and then you say farewell to their heretical influences on the faithful. AND YES, after they leave it is good to pray for their conversion, but they cannot be allowed to sneak in their evil agendas.
I’ve long thought that Catherine might be an editor of comments on this site. FIrst off, shes a better ability to track back people’s comments than any natural human being without access to the WordPress database.
I was never convinced until today. I made a reference to her rantings against what she calls “k-anonymous” in my post at 11:31 AM today, which has strangely been redacted from my post. However, HER post at 10:04 Am contains her oft-used references to “k-anonymous” Go figure.
‘If We Reject Trump, We May Be Inviting Persecution When the election is Constantine vs. Diocletian, Christians don’t get to stay home.’
….and we must always “calm down” the observation of dangerous inconsistency, YFC. That is again why I am always so appreciative of your consistent posturing. No mistaking it.
You never fail to deliver, YFC.
I think some posters, like Catherine, Ann Malley, etc., have unusually high levels of fear, rather than true, steadfast, and mature religious faith! Intelligent, mature, faith-filed Catholics, trust in God, as they will get through the dark times to come! Why mindlessly attack a devout Catholic, like myself? Ridiculous! Regardless of how the election turns out— America is in for trouble, anyway! She has disobeyed God1 Christ would vehemently REBUKE a horrifically insensitive, loud-mouthed BIGOT like Trump, tell him to repent and apologize– and then, come follow Him!
Catherine where are your MANNERS towards fellow Catholics?? YES, GOD IS LOIVE! As Christians, we are to trust in God, and walk always with God, humbly bearing what we must– never viciously arguing politics and religion, tearing down good fellow Catholics, all to “prove you are “right,” and GRATIFY YOUR BABYISH, SELFISH EGO!! Christian women are supposed to seek Christ, and bring Christ’s Love to the suffering world, nurturing, loving, helping, praising, and supporting His little sheep, like good, womanly mothers!
P.S. Christ only rebuked those with hardened hearts, committing horrific sins! NOT good, decent, devout Catholic women, at Mass! Today was First Friday, and also, the Feast of the Holy Rosary. At Mass, the priest told of a harrowing, dangerous escape, from his Communist homeland, and how he was blessed to finally reach America! Then, he thanked God, and entered the priesthood! Like him, we may have dangerous, dark times ahead, someday, in our own country! But we should not fear, we should trust in God, let God lead us– and all will be well– even if God calls us to martyrhood! Regardless, Heaven is our goal, not earth!
P.S. It is ridiculous, and a sign of perhaps mental imbalance– if a poster cultivates egotistical, childish, grandiose dreams, of “being influential” on this website, or any other computer website! If you want to provide a positive, good influence, for God, and WORK FOR GOD- helping His children— go sign up to volunteer as a parent, to help with religious education, at your local parish! Or else– go get formal training, to teach adults, and volunteer at your church! Give your life to God, and work for Him– if that is truly in your heart!
One more thing, Catherine— why hurt someone you do not know, like Your Fellow Catholic? Instead, isn’t Christ asking us all to encourage, help, and support one another– in the practice of our Catholic Faith and Morals?? In God’s eyes, we are all exactly the same, made in His Image! Not one of us is more “special!” We must set aside our egos, for Christ– because in reality– our ego is a silly thing, and Christ must reign! We must help other fellow Catholics– by the grace of God! — to be close to Christ— and they must also help us!
“One more thing, Catherine— why hurt someone you do not know, like Your Fellow Catholic? Instead, isn’t Christ asking us all to encourage, help, and support one another– in the practice of our Catholic Faith and Morals?”
Linda Maria…One more thing! LM, You tried to slip in a fast one and you were caught red handed. You went out of your way Inferring “naughty” behavior to Bishop Sheen while supporting our multi purpose/homosexuallizing operative on CCD. I’m positive that Christ did not ask you to influence and encourage others by posting the following:
Topic on CCD: Beatification cause of Fulton Sheen back on track
Linda Maria says: June 21, 2016 at 2:02 am
“I truly hope that someday, a reliable source can explain this problem, with Sheen, and the seemingly faked credentials! Also, I would like a very good explanation, of the man in Beverly Hills, or Hollywood– who got very angry with Sheen, for spending perhaps too much time with his aspiring-actress wife— discussing her interest in the Catholic religion?? Or something very naughty? It hurts too much, to think of that! Hope this can be explained! ” = LM’s idea of Christian praise & support.
Fr. Dariusz Oko’s major article: “With the Pope against the Homoheresy”
‘The real threat to the Church are cynical homosexual priests who take advantage of their functions on their own behalf, sometimes in an extraordinarily devious way.”
continued…To quote F. Józef Augustyn once again: “The Church does not generate homosexuality, but falls victim to dishonest men with homosexual tendencies, who take advantage of its structures to follow their lowest instincts. Active homosexual priests are masters of camouflage. They are often exposed by accident. … The real threat to the Church are cynical homosexual priests who take advantage of their functions on their own behalf, sometimes in an extraordinarily devious way. Such situations cause great suffering to the Church, the priestly community, the superiors. The problem is indeed a very difficult one.”
Fear of God is a good thing, Linda Maria. That is why sound thinking Catholics are fearful of throwing away the opportunity that God has provided us to preserve what freedoms we have left in this country.
You confuse confidence with presumption. And toss off fear of God with utter foolishness.
That said, you may want to exercise some Christian charity with Trump who has been forthcoming about his background and is seeking the good. Those you seek to coddle like YFC call themselves Catholic while openly promoting the homosexualization of the Church.
That’s the truth.
I think some posters are mentally unstable, immature, egotistical, and self-centered, and bigoted, insensitive, and sadistic, towards their fellow man. They have very poor concepts of Christianity. Waste of time.
I don’t know if this selective outrage [“Please don’t start one of your campaigns against Linda Marie…where the person cant post here without (etc,etc)] is directed at Catherine:
But you must be somnolent not to have noticed how other individuals who appear to be professional operatives who have regularly and quite viciously attacked “LM”, and others, especially women, especially traditional Catholic women (ex. Linda Marie, Ann Malley, From the Pew, Catherine and others): It is a campaign to “shut them up”. They have Dangerous Opinions.
But that is why this comment is “Anonymous”.
It was not selective outrage nor was it a plea to shut up traditional Catholic women. You make too much of the anonymous default. If you don’t know what it referred to, count yourself lucky.
Translation, re. Anonymous: Can’t explain himself nor his position.
Robert T.,. The person who it was addressed to does not need an explanation. It would be unnecessary and gossipy to explain it to those who don’t need to understand it.
If you want to get behind Trump and his disgusting vile behavior towards women, then have at it. Just don’t call yourselves fellow Catholics.
What is truly racist is to pretend that someone has to perpetually be treated with deference to their skin color. No matter who they are. Enough already with manufacturing the chips for people’s shoulders. Chips they aren’t born with, but are rather cultivated so that a certain block of people can be led around by emotion just as if they had a ring in their nose.
Illegals need to be vetted. Properly. Period.
Borders are legal, utterly supported by the Church, and there for darned good reason.
Fear of “appearing” racist, sexist, fill-in-the-blank is a tool of Satan as it is focused on the appearance, not what one actually is.
Good grief. Beware of the Angel of Light (writing in the “holy” candidate) who is, in truth,…
… nothing but he who desires your destruction.
You have to be part of the solution, LM. We need, at the very least, to spare our country being overrun by Clinton policies. Obama on steroids.
I’d much prefer to vote for a man who wears his faults in the open in addition to his attempt to grow than allow the woman who has been Christian her entire life proceed, by way of the woman’s touch, to destroy us. Church, nation, whatever gets in her way.
And if you trust Santorum etc, maybe you should look to who has been endorsed by them. It’s not a third party candidate. And that’s for good reason.
You are entitled to your opinions Ann Malley! But I believe it is ALWAYS EVIL– and immature!– to hurl ugly names at others, as Trump does! Trump, as a President- -may actually do very little, and may even start a war, or incite violence, with his stupidity and cruelty! No, I am NOT a “political” person, NOT a “Democrat,” either! I am a Catholic! And I don’t believe in seizing temporary dumb solutions for big problems! Instead, I believe it is best, to see the totality of the IMMENSE EVIL our country is in, and make very intelligent, long-range plans, for the future– and PRAY!! Our problems are HUGE– but God will help us!
Grabbing in the dark for very inferior short-term solutions, is not a good thing. Better to carefully and clearly think through a horrible situation, and make long-range, careful, intelligent plans, to reform a country that is in deep trouble! Trump is not smart, and constantly flip-flops on issues. And without support for others, and teamwork, as a President, he can accomplish close to nothing! Hillary used to believe in Traditional Marriage between one man and one woman— but then she flip-flopped, to perhaps get votes! She sold her soul to the Devil! And so did her opponent, Trump!
Neither Trump nor Hillary support Christian Morality! Right now, Trump has a few Christian moral beliefs, but who knows, what his views may be, tomorrow?? I thought that after Vatican II, the Church made a terrible mistake, as they stopped teaching Faith and Morals, and started to venture into the secular world, and politics! Our problems cannot be solved by politics! The only way, is for the Church to form her people in Christ, and hold them responsible, for practicing the Faith correctly! Without a truly believing, practicing Christian Nation– secular politics is useless, for problem-solving!
Without a massive Christian reform– I believe our country has no hope, as “America,” as we know it! Our Nation, as we know it, will finally disintegrate, and sadly turn into something else! We need trained, dedicated, clergy leadership, led by God, to do the job, to convert America back into a Christian country! They should be very strong, sure, and fearless, like missionaries of old!
Mine isn’t just opinion, LM, just a rational observation of the hierarchy of needs.
You write, “Without a massive Christian reform– I believe our country has no hope, as “America,” as we know it! ”
Well, when Hillary Clinton, who advertises herself as a lifelong Christian asserts very clearly that Churches must be “made” to change their “opinion” on matters such as abortion and gay marriage, then it’s pretty clear where the devil is.
And often, those we would dismiss as evil, like St. Augustine prior to his conversion, are those God chooses to make use of. Not because of their polished rhetoric, but because the fruits of what they can do will be attributed to Him, not the person.
So much like in the spiritual life, one…
…should tackle the most grave evil first. The one that is sure to kill most swiftly. To distract oneself to attack the peripheral evils first is to risk being killed by the greater threat. Attack one vice first. In this instance, address the need to uphold our sovereignty and religious liberty. Otherwise there will be ZERO chance without a miracle.
And grace builds upon nature. We need to try with the tools we are given. Like it or not.
Trump is not the “solution” to what ails us, but rather step one in the right direction. That’s why, despite personal issues, I cannot and will not toss away my vote on a write-in that will only facilitate evil.
The beginning, middle, and end of actions must be reviewed. And aiding the…
… outright persecution of the Faith by pretending that “now” is the time for a Third Party move is way too little, way too late, but exactly the tool necessary to keep good folks from doing what they can to help us start on the right path.
“….And I don’t believe in seizing temporary dumb solutions for big problems! Instead, I believe it is best, to see the totality of the IMMENSE EVIL our country is in, and make very intelligent, long-range plans, for the future– and PRAY!!”
There is nothing prudent about risking a Clinton presidency to facilitate feeling good about your vote this November, LM. That is the height of the temporary solution.
Indeed, long range plans need to be assessed. And that is why looking at the removal of the Johnson Amendment and the selection of conservative Supreme Court Justices MUST be considered. Not the idealism of wanting to elect Mr. Clean in November. That won’t facilitate anything long term save the aid of the DNC Globalist machine…
…but if you’re into going the full bore Christian persecution route, go for it. Your choice. That is, despite how you feel, what you are advocating in encouraging a split of votes of those who would otherwise oppose Hillary Rodham Clinton.
But if you’re into praying, then vote Trump and PRAY that his conversion to the truth, to the good of THIS country increases. Pray that he listens more intently to those believing/practicing Christians with whom he is consorting. Pray for that, LM. Not begging a miracle when you take the natural means and dismiss it outright.
Ann Malley, I think you wrote a pretty good response, to my views — but I think we must really get going, in the meantime, and see what can be done, to re-convert the country to Christin morality! That is the key, not hoping “our” side will win! After a few of us grow too old and then die— what will be left?? Muslims to storm America, and force conversions, to maintain an ordered sense of so-called “morality?” We need a good, strong traditional Christian culture, for a good country! And to get rid of bad influences, not “tolerate” them, in the name of false “American freedom!”
ABsolutely, we need to get busy, Linda Maria. But getting busy goes hand in hand with voting for the one who stands the best chance, however imperfect it may be, of retaining the most good that we already have in our country. Otherwise, our “hoping” will be all we can do as our freedom and progress in Christian values is stripped away under a Clinton theocracy of imposed secularism.
There is no motivation of tolerating bad influences in my position, LM. Rather, we must make use of the means God gives us to do what good we can, not throw away the foundations we have in the quest for perfect.
We do not deserve the clean candidate at present. We deserve chastisement. That said, Trump is a great mercy. We need to recognize as much…
…and use that mercy to build upon.
Linda Maria wrote: “Ann Malley, I think you wrote a pretty good response, to my views — but I think we must really get going.”
God bless you Ann Malley! Linda Maria WAS compelled to recognize the response that you have written. Your response regarding Donald Trump, the better choice of the two candidates, was more than “pretty good”, it was EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD! I believe your response proves the richness in grace that one receives when truly seeking Christ in the fullness of truth. How pitiful the loss of faith and reasoning.
People are blinded and cannot see the pride-filled power games being played over those who only seek to do God’s Will. Especially when striving to adhere to “all’ of the teachings and Traditions handed down by the apostles. I read your responses about the candidates to family members and friends. They all LOVED them and asked me if I would send them a copy of what you wrote. They want to share your exceptional responses with all of their friends. The poster named From the Pew was right about sticking together vs. “divide and conquer”.
Catherine, I hope whatever I write might do some good. It’s as if a glamour a la Sleeping Beauty has been cast over those who would call themselves faithful Catholics. So frustrating. So apparent. So dangerous.
God bless you for your consistency in seeking the truth. That’s really all we can do. That and raise the alarm. The harvest itself is God’s to bring in when and where He wills.
Thanks for posting!
I’m sorry, I don’t remember anyone saying that “someone has to perpetually be treated with deference to their skin color”. Who said that?
I don’t remember anyone saying anything about illegals and their vetting. Who said that? Oh, and by the way,” illegals” don’t need vetting. Immigrants who approach the boarder illegally need to be refused entry. People are never “illegals”, they are human beings. Refugees need vetting. Refugees are not entering illegally, they are entering because of a well founded fear of persecution or death int heir home country. Showing a little sorry side of yourself, there, Ann Malley?
The secular world, and particularly, politics– is sinful, and in need of Christ! I follow Christ above all else! And the secular world– no. One can gain very little, from politics, if an entire nation has gone so wrong, morally! One should not put one’s faith in sinful political leaders, for a last-minute futile hope, to save a country so morally-bankrupt! And no, I will not take to heart, the horrible things that posters now are writing, who want to crucify me, simply for saying I follow Christ first! I do not care, and never have, and never will!
“…I follow Christ above all else!”
Then follow Him, LM, not some manufactured idea of what He is. Do not break the bruised reed. Do not quench the smoking flax.
Recognize the time of your visitation and the offerings that God is making by way of Providence. Turning your nose up at this point is to reject the passing log during the flood (kids and dependents be darned) and await the QE2. Sorry. But that latter ain’t coming.
As to crucifixion, you are crucifying yourself. (Or drowning yourself.) Signing on board to martyrdom by inviting disaster willingly. That’s truly ugly, LM. Much like the lie that others are putting their “faith” in political leaders.
People are absolutely illegals if they enter the country illegally. White people can/do commit crime and become criminals. So do black people, homosexuals, women, etc. (That said, you don’t recall a lot, YFC.)
“Immigrants who approach the boarder illegally need to be refused entry.”
Actually, immigrants need to be made to understand that breaking the law will not be rewarded before they get to the border. Maybe if we focus our compassionate outreach to eradicating the mess in other countries that precipitates the needed exodus, we’d be doing better. People, typically, don’t want to leave their homeland. So why treat the United States as the only country worthy of development?
“…Refugees are not entering illegally, they are…
… entering because of a well founded fear of persecution or death intheir home country,:
Refugees are people, YFC, people who are capable, just like everyone else, of making good or bad decisions. Of saying yes or no to that which is good. So your attempting to impose group think on others, that is making everyone in the group supposedly motivated by good intentions is just a reverse labeling. (But, yes, some come illegally across the border who describe themselves as refugees.)
Take your labels and shaming and go home. I reject your manipulations and will stick to the truth.
What you call sorry means absolutely nothing to me, YFC, except as another example of your manipulative rhetoric. The same that is engaged to stop the use…
…of the intellect and the will. The same bent on shaming people from using that which God gives them to do their duty.
The term “racist” has been grotesquely misrepresented in this thread. The charge of sexism is also misplaced. And the focus on manners and tone is similarly misplaced.
But since you seem to opt for the politely, soft-spoken lie, then that may explain your position.
You seem to miss the point, Ann Malley. Refugees do not enter the country illegally. Refugees have a legal right to be here. Besides the fact that you demean people by labelling them “illegals”, you don’t even understand longstanding US and International law regarding refugees.
No, actually, I get your point, YFC. While one may absolutely parse the details about the true motivations of “refugees”, one cannot mistake your intent in implying that one demeans anoter by using accurate verbiage that, until the present day which seeks to shame speakers for using accurate terms, was considered wholly correct.
But again, it would seem that it is only in the present day, and thanks to persons such as yourself, that Church and people in general must learn and, more importantly, imbibe the horror of divisiveness inherent in the dictionary.
I’m shocked that you use words at all, YFC. They do, whether you accept it or not, preclude other “understandings” of concepts.
Get behind me, YFC. Do whatever you choose,…
Sorry, Ann Malley, “refugee” has a specific meaning under law. Please look it up and stop disparaging people just because you feel so self assured about your situation in life.
Sorry also has a specific meaning, YFC. And yet, I am able to take the true meaning of your message – that is you’re not sorry.
The word gay also has a specific meaning, but has been co-opted to mean something very different. Let’s all be adult here. Try.
And so while you stick to your legalistic guns regarding the term “refugee” so as to press on with the guilt trip, the remainder of the public is still free to look to what the term is being used to mask.
Thank you again for your unfaltering consistency!
Catherine, you take me too seriously! Trump is NO CHRISTIAN!! He will betray all of you! Best to start over, from scratch, the next four years, and see what America can come up with, for a better Presidential candidate! Start also, in local elections, and see what good, local candidates we can possibly get, who are good, traditional Christian believers, and church-goers! Sin only thrives, when it is supported, when there are people who will buy it! How many families in a neighborhood– or in our Church!— are willing to IGNORE THE WORLD and SACRIFICE SIN, for a good, wholesome, Christian family life??
YES, we need to develop solid, loving, close-knit families, as in days long ago, of Catholic immigrants to America– all practicing our Catholic Faith and Morals together, sending the kids to only true Catholic schools and colleges, and being careful, with contact with the secular, sinful, “fallen” world! It is a HORROR, the millions of IMMORAL, poorly-catechized, Mass-going “Catholics” of today, who “shack-up,” do not marry, use birth control and have abortions, support gay “marriage” and families– and lead a horrifically un-Christian life, and pass it on to their kids!!
“…Best to start over, from scratch, the next four years, and see what America can come up with, for a better Presidential candidate!”
You’re assuming, Linda Maria, that the next 4 years won’t drill us deeper into a hole from which we must dig ourselves out if we get Clinton. Seriously.
Starting in four years sounds great. Unless it we allow damage that will take 4 decades or rather 4 centuries to recapture the freedoms that we currently enjoy by God’s grace.
And YES– a “write-in” candidate is useless, just a way to abstain from voting, when all the candidates are UNFIT FOR LEADERSHIP, and TOTALLY HORRIBLE!
….abstaining when Clinton represents a manifest evil who has raised her ax against Church, Country, Family, and the Constitution is not okay. You can claim others are “unfit for leadership” as much as you’d like, but if you do not do your part, LM, the election of manifest and grotesque evil will be, in part, attributable to your inaction.
That’s what many Christians who claim to be abstaining out of principle don’t seem to get. But they’ll get it in spades if we pass on the tool that God has provided out of misplaced zeal and welcome in annihilation of our nation.
With good priests gagged and home schooling no longer allowed, who will teach the children, LM? Anybody?
Linda, don’t believe everything that the Clinton campaign puts out through their biased MSM (main stream media).
Most of the advertising tapes provided by Clinton and her PAC’s are OLD stuff prior to late 2008, when Trump was still a Democrat.
Keep praying for Trump – and forgive.
” September 22, 2016 – TRUMP CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCES CATHOLIC ADVISORY GROUP “- September 22, 2016 https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-campaign-announces-catholic-advisory-group
Check out the advisory members including Rick Santorum, Fr. Pavone, etc.
The “half of all marriages ended in divorce” in the opening sentence is an oft-repeated yet bogus statistic.
Linda Marie: I usually do not agree with the views you express in your lengthy posts. However, I wholeheartedly agree with your views regarding Trump! Pax Tecum.
I agree, that we Christians all should stick together, and try to salvage what we can, of this election I do understand why some good Catholic voters will vote for Trump. But I think that in the long run, Americans really have to start over from scratch, and try to revitalize traditional Christian beliefs and family values! Then, maybe we will have hope for the future!
….well, LM, you’ll get the opportunity to start from scratch by encouraging voters to toss away their votes. Something that will only aid and abet the rise of Clinton.
So we’ll have to start from scratch. From the position of overt persecution and enforced minority status as droves of ideologically opposed adherents to democracy are handily brought into the country under the auspices of charity and – wink,wink – diversity.
Freedom will be replaced by the term license, giving the false perception that one cannot speak out against that which is evil or just plain stupid. Like having wide open borders that are regularly being used as a clearing house for “charitable” human trafficking, drug trafficking, terrorist infiltration,…
… infiltration, and the utter dilution of that which formerly defined American Culture.
The newly minted sin against ecumenism (that is speaking the truth) will take firm hold as the “Church” morphs even more into a tool of a state bent on crushing true freedom and ruling with an iron fist that tolerates no opposition to its mandated “diversity”.
All those “good” priests will be handily silenced. Home school will be considered a crime. And anything short of towing the “It Takes a Village” party line will be cast as a high crime. Fasten your seat belts! It’s gonna be a bumpy epoch.”
Regarding the potential future for practicing Catholic reduced to “the position of overt persecution and enforced minority status…etc”, I hope (if you have not done so) you will read the shockingly prophetic futuristic novel, “The Mosque of Notre Dame”, by Elena Chudinova (2005):
There is a great short video at the link that sets up the whole novel (without my destroying it by telling you the plot-development-and-outcome).
“The Mosque of Notre Dame” pictures a future very possibly ours: It is 2048. Europe has been conquered by Islamic janissaries. Only Islam is permitted: sharia law has been imposed everywhere, including France, even the once-famous “City of Light”, Paris. The Arch de Triumph is now an execution place for wine-smugglers and other miscreants against Islamic law. Catholics, who had already lost the Faith, have converted to Islam. Only a small minority lives in the sharia ghetto under appalling conditions. And Notre Dame, its statues shattered and its great organ destroyed and removed, is a mosque. Everyone has become Muslim.
Well, almost: except for a few. The novel is about those few.
Thank you for the reference, Steve Phoenix. This book’s concept is one that needs to be reviewed. As a walk thru history will already show Catholic lands/buildings being turned into mosques. And history, especially if ignored, repeats itself.
Hagia Sofia anyone?
Steve Phoenix, Cliff Notes: Blame for the Muslim takeover belongs on the failure of the Catholic & Orthodox Church to evangelize. In particular, the failure of post-Vatican II Church leaders to assert the Church’s unique claim on (moral) TRUTH. Thanks for the link & book tip. That’s Chilling! Right now in America, we have Civil Rights (+ Muslim) replacing Christian Religious Rights. Our Freedom to support non-negotiable Christian Religious Beliefs (moral truth) in the Public Square is slipping away & could be on life support very soon. (My post below) …….
Continued……….Our lack of REAL Catholic/Christian leadership, solidarity & rallying to support ‘good (moral truth)’ is heart breaking.
And as this book suggests, may have unintended consequences.
It IS the future, unless we have the courage to support change in America like Brexit. May the good Lord Jesus be with us.
Steve Phoenix, I think that the scenario presented in your book, “The Mosque of Notre Dame,” may well be prophetic! Except, sadly– perhaps the Muslims of the future, may also discard their religion, in favor of the immoral, materialistic, modern Western culture! Very sad, too, for them! Perhaps soon, we will see Muslim girls in French bikinis on the Riviera, and Muslim boys drinking alcohol, partying, taking dope, chasing girls, “shacking up,” seeking money and materialism– their Muslim religion forgotten in the dust back home, in the Middle East! Who truly wants Mohammed??
Holiness is not something that many people seek, nor are even aware of, today– as the churches no longer teach and preach it! But our era is not much worse than Christ’s era! And His era was pretty bad, with the Roman occupation of Israel, and the events leading to His death! So we will be okay, although the times ahead might be really bad! That’s the way it goes, though! We should fearlessly face suffering, although it will be painful! God is with us! Everyone needs to learn, that good only comes from a good tree, right? And bad trees have to endure the poison-fruit of their sins!!
LM, you miss the reality that Islam is more than just religion, it is a political system. So the delusion that the Muslims will give up their morals and wear bikinis is wholly ridiculous.
Look at the rise of ISIS, LM. Learn from it. And understand that those brands of persecution are highly likely in a Muslim dominated society. Because of religion? NO. But because of the means to coerce and execute deep seated power-over – heck yes. Wake up, please.
In Christ’s era, things were so bad, that the Holy Family had to go to Egypt, and live for three years, until King Herod died, and it was safe to return to their homeland! Our era will be no different, I am sure! What can we do?? What do you think Christ would say we should do?? That, to me, seems like the best way, to start dealing with terrible problems! What does God say??
This post above, is a reply to Ann Malley’s Oct. 5 posts, at 8:10 and 8:11 a.m., above Steve Phoenix’s posts.
As usual, Linda Marie, you are not incorrect at all about the possibility of, after the Muslim takeover, the descent into “immoral, materialistic, modern culture”.
There is not a great tradition of spiritual asceticism in Muslim spirituality, in contrast to that being elemental to true Catholic spirituality. If anything, sharia law would precipitate greater materialism, at least for the privileged class. That factor actually also figures deftly in Chudinova’s telling of her story.
LM, God would tell you to read the signs of times and engage your intellect. Not toss away the gains bought at the high expense of other people’s blood and suffering.
If only to honor the sacrifices of others, we should fight to the death to keep from throwing away what they purchased in some rash dream of embracing martyrdom.
You don’t know what you’re about. This is not fantasy. Our country stands at a pivotal point. We can embrace Faith and God’s gifts, or toss them away at the behest of a holy mirage.
Ann Malley– I think we have a long road ahead of us! I admire persecuted Catholics in countries around the world, who have been steadfast in their Faith and Morals, have developed a close family “Domestic Church” in their homes, practicing their Faith quietly, and doing the best they can, during heavy persecutions!! Some have become Saints! The future will not be easy, as we are surrounded by wolves! And the churches– especially ours!– all have abandoned their Christian leadership roles! But God will see us through! We must not fear persecution– though it will be hard, God will triumph in the end!
Those persecuted Catholics you admire would be the first to tell you to stop this nonsense, LM. Your attitude, untested for you have yet to live under outright persecution, is one of idealism. The same idealism that would, unwittingly open the door to the hungriest of wolves.
That’s not Faith, LM, that’s presumption. The horrors you invite by such an attitude are again those which would have those you admire attempting to shake you out of this languor of tossing away the precious opportunities God is giving us.
We must not fear persecution, but we MUST NOT attempt to sign on board to martyrdom at the expense of duty. That’s a trick of the devil and nothing more than pride.
Are you a Christian unable to support: a newer converted in his ‘heart’ pro-choice man? Instead of, a life-long abortion supporting woman? Cries out to heaven! God have mercy. Anyway, idealistic talk about ‘starting over’ is improbable for this point in time. The hour is late. ‘The devil with the red pant suit on’ said (paraphrasing), ‘she will end the practice of Religion in the public square’. She means – Catholics & Christians supporting non-negotiables, that: speak, write, gather, bake, protest and/or share their belief, in all walks of life, will be prosecuted. What will be allowed after the 70% Fed. liberal courts & justices (POTUS appointments) are her weapons in the war pitting Civil rights OVER Religious rights?…
Continued…….Her final prize, the Supreme Court, will make her un-stoppable. This equates to: The eventual END of our Christian God in the public squares of America. That is what is at stake! But wait, this realization is sure to be growing around the country & with our spiritual leaders. Will our USCCB group & other Christian leaders, rise up & make a ‘statement’ in the nick of time in a show of solidarity for good over evil? Or are they too busy with the business of ‘church’ & their hands in the government till to notice such trifles? GOD HELP US! May God’s ‘peace’ rest on all people of good will. PAX & PRAY.
From the Pew, I enjoy reading all of your good posts! I think in my own way, however, on the subject of America’s complete rejection of God, and moral collapse. Right after Vatican II ended, Church leaders abandoned their important, traditional roles of leadership, venturing into the secular world and politics, insisting naively, that laymen now lead, as they can’t, in a new and immoral age, so rejecting of Christianity! Well, I believe we desperately need their roles of leadership, and moral and religious responsibility– or the world is left with nothing! Reliance on the secular world, and politics, are a temporary stopgap, before real trouble hits– and ultimately, cannot save us! Continued…
Continued.. Our influential academia in higher education, collapsed at the same time as Christianity, in the 1960s, and this has really struck a death blow to America, and to Western Civilization. Our leading universities are no longer producing future leaders who are mature, with good, traditional education and training, and Christian morality! We now have nothing but shallow, “hippie liberal,” immoral, “politically correct” poor academic leadership, and graduating students, from our top academic institutions! Nothing left to build a good country on! Nothing but an ignorant, immoral, lawless Dark Age, for the future! Continued…
Continued… So, as Western Civilization has collapsed, the Church won’t help, and traditional academia has sold its soul to the Devil, since the 1960s– all we will have, for future American political leadership– is WORSE THAN HARVARD-EDUCATED OBAMA, and WORSE THAN HILLARY CLINTON, WHO TRADED HER TRADITIONAL , MIDWESTERN, METHODIST, REPUBLICAN UPBRINGING— FOR IMMATURE, IIMMORAL, HIPPIE- LIBERAL TRASH!!!! (Didn’t she and Bill meet at Yale, pursuing law degrees together??) A “President Trump” won’t do much, to save America– only Christ can do the job!
(Continued) How many Americans are so spoiled, by their LOVE OF SIN– and so led by the nose, to accept filthy rock “music,” sinful Hollywood movies loaded with profanity, computer pornography, dope, “free sex,” birth control and abortion, gay sex and “marriage,” (etc.)— with plenty of excuses and justifications for sin?? The promoters of SIN in America, are all LAUGHING THEIR WAY TO THE BANK!! How many CORRUPTED modern Americans are willing to GROW UP, and SACRIFICE THEIR SINS– for GOD, and a DECENT COUNTRY?? We have lost America!
Can’t America possibly get rid of the horrid “Me-Generation?” Hillary Clinton is a HORSE LAUGH!! She came, originally, from a staunch, hard-working, Republican, Methodist, Midwestern family, of traditional Christian values! Too bad she couldn’t stick to her values, and become a fine person, marry a man of the same values– and pass this on, to their children– for a good America, the way it ought to be! Go get HILLARY’S MOTHER out of her grave, to run for office! Much better, by far! I bet Hillary’s parents would NEVER vote for her!
To Ann Malley— I enjoy all of your good posts! Here is what I see, regarding our situation, in America. Without a strong, active, believing, practicing Christian culture, and without kids being trained in religious Faith and Christian Morality — and without the cultivation of a Moral Conscience in Americans, by our churches- we have very little to hope for, for the future! How many “Catholics” truly believe in, and practice their Faith and Morals?? Send the missionaries to convert the natives! Next, we can form a good country! As is, though– everything is falling apart completely, disintegrating more and more, daily! And the Pope and clergy refuse to lead!!
If in our parish churches, there are very few true Catholic believers– and they all lead or support lives of SIN– then, what have we got to work with?? And once their kids grow up– DISASTER!! Many churches will no longer exist, in a decade or two. As I say—- send out the missionaries, and convert the natives! Then we will have something to work with! A vote for Trump is just a temporary stopgap– to GIGANTIC problems!! As for the Muslims– many are discouraged by European countries, which forbid some of their cultural practices! In time, many may drift toward the “modern wasteland,” to survive, and prosper– devotion to Muhammed may not seem so important, except to some fanatics!
My mother once had a well-educated, prosperous Jewish friend, who related one day, that the grandma came to visit, and caught her granddaughter eating a ham sandwich! The granddaughter laughed, and casually opened the refrigerator door, to reveal ham, from the local deli! Horrified, she packed her bags, and went home! It takes a lot of good leadership, and dedication, for religious cultures to survive, and thrive happily and well— especially in today’s Godless, immoral, “modern wasteland!”— outside their original homelands! We have “secular Jews,” and may have “secular Muslims,” too!
Linda Maria, of course Trump is a temporary stop-gap. But so was the little dutch boy who put his finger in the dyke. So is the use of tourniquet when one has a gaping wound… even a dirty one if that’s all that’s accessible.
To let the country metaphorically bleed out because a tourniquet is only a temporary solution is to be remiss. We need to do what we must in order to maintain the ability to do all that you outline. Especially since Clinton has made it clearer than crystal what she plans and, make no mistake, will do to reshape this country into an unrecognizable monster.
So let’s take step one this November, even if it is a leap of Faith.
Ann Malley, I think you meant to write that “the little dutch boy put his finger in the DIKE” rather than in the “DYKE”.
noun [ C ] also dike UK /daɪk/ US /daɪk/
dyke noun [ C ] (WALL)
a wall built to prevent the sea or a river from covering an area, or a channel dug to take water away from an area
**** just goes to show how precision in verbiage is very important.
The above title should be: ‘How Decades Of Divorce From Traditional Catholicism Helped To Erode The Catholic Faith’
All Of A Sudden, Poof, No USA
“We are so asleep and in need of an awakening. Some of these things on the list are NOT “all of a sudden,” but have been going on several years already.
Some would have been unbelievable a few years ago. May God help us and have mercy.”
…also divorce from common sense, Catherine. The desire to be the Saint in the story – the one who does all the great things that get the big press- to the detriment of doing one’s duty in one’s own back yard is also to blame.
Hence the, “I admire those Christians who are openly persecuted,” while at the same time looking the gift horse of existing liberty in the mouth. As if just saying “don’t be afraid of persecution” covers all the bases. As if being put to the test of what our brothers to the East are experiencing won’t rain down a thunder of judgment on our own presumption of strength.
“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Are you able to drink the cup I am going to drink?”
Ann Malley– YES, I admire Christians who are persecuted, yet persist in their practice of the Faith– and YOU should, too! Some Americans are very surprised to see their country disintegrating, due to the sins of immoral hippie-liberals, who hate the Church! Ann Malley, you do not know me, and you must not make up hysterical lies, falsely saying I don’t vote, and always neglect my civic duties, as an American! Grow up kiddo! I am a fellow Mass-goer, a nice lady! Stop persecuting me! Face the truth, please– that there are NO QUICK, EASY FIXES, FOR AN EXTREMELY MATERIALISTIC, IMMORAL COUNTRY!! We have dark times, ahead!
Americans worked hard, and bravely endured many trials and tribulations, so far, in our short history– to include wars, the evils of slavery, the Great Depression, and other painful things! Life is not easy, on this earth– it is a place of trials, and purification, for Heaven! There are no quick, easy fixes, for the trouble America is in! We do not have good presidential choices. Cast your vote for the REPULSIVE Republican candidate– but after that, just take one day at a time! Our country is in terrible, terrible trouble, and we have to recognize it, and accept it, and walk through it, with God’s help!
The Remnant – Trash Talking Trump – Michael Matt | Editor
“This moral indignation coming from the morally bankrupt is just a wee bit over the top. And it’s all about one thing, of course: Getting Grandma Clinton back in the White House. Dinesh D’Souza summed it up nicely on FNC yesterday: “We have seen a biased media in my entire adult lifetime, but never before have I seen the media so aggressively huffing and puffing to drag this crooked hag across the finish line.”
WHO said ANYTHING about quick fixes? One thing is for sure! The coddling and enabling of those who hate Church teaching while using the word “mercy” as a cover-up to distort her teachings ensures that it won’t be a quick fix.
A FEW BLUNT WORDS TO CATHOLICS – written by a faithful priest
Cardinal Burke made repeated reference to the writings and thoughts of Servant of God Father John Anthony Hardon of the Society of Jesus. He stated that Father Hardon wrote: “Catholicism is in the throes of the worst crisis in its entire history. Unless true and loyal Catholics have the zeal and the spirit of the early Christians, unless they are willing to do what they did and to pay the price that they paid, the days of America are numbered.”
Stop wasting your time with childish posts. I will no longer answer them. Trump is a worthless, immature, filthy, immoral, violent bully, unfit even for running for garbage collector! He ought to go get a job at the filthy, violent, sado-masochistic movies in San Francisco! Again, I will make no further replies. Waste of time. Our system is BROKEN– only God can fix our problems– maybe it is time for another Great Flood, and Noah’s Ark!
The Servant of God, Archbishop Fulton Sheen saw that the system was broken yet that didn’t stop your childish “naughty” behavior. Not one single poster ever claimed that Donald Trump was the Savior. For all of your Traditional sounding posts your very telling use of the homosexual buzz word “bigoted” is a DEAD GIVEAWAY to the agenda you are enabling. You might want to change your writing style. Your other previous personas are duplicitously showing through.
PS.. This is the second time that you said this was your last response. Please show just a little consistency, stick to your word.
Bishop Sheen wrote: “In the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counterchurch which will be the ape of the Church, because he, the Devil, is the ape of God. It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ.
Keep praying the Rosary, Linda Maria. You will make a difference.
Childishness is to stomp ones foot and pretend that all will be fixed with a flood. Good grief. Man was created from the slime of the earth, LM, and so perhaps your time would be better spent praying that Trump be used for God’s purpose – that is to forestall the big finale you seem to think will solve everything.
continued. . . But the twentieth century will join the counterchurch because it claims to be infallible when its visible head speaks ex cathedra from Moscow on the subject of economics and politics, and as chief shepherd of world communism.”
Source: Fulton J. Sheen, Communism and the Conscience of the West (Bobbs-Merril Company, Indianapolis, 1948), pp. 22-25.
Maybe Catholics can take some comfort in the fact that lots of Americans, on Election Day, may think, “I do not like this pretty, blonde, elderly lady, to serve as our Commander-in-Chief, making tough war decisions, regarding ISIS and the Middle East. She is not exactly a “tough cookie!” She might faint!” Also, she has made goofs, in her former job, as Secretary of State. Well, maybe lots of people will be nervous, to see Mrs. Clinton, in the role of Commander-in-Chief, of our military! How many immoral American liberals, really do prize their “freedoms to sin,” under immoral, liberal Presidents?? Is that really (“freedoms to sin”) their top priority??
Poor Paul Ryan, and all his fellow Republican Catholic and other Christian Senators and Congressmen, will all have to get together, and figure out how to deal with a “President Trump” (and try to be diplomatic, to get good work accomplished!) if Trump becomes our next President. Maybe they all will pray a lot!