The following comes from a July 1 posting on the First Things website.
In my last essay at First Things, I echoed the words of Pope Benedict writing about the pastoral care of the homosexual person by saying, “only what is true can ultimately be pastoral.” Rev. Wojciech Giertych, O.P., the theologian of the Papal household, last week echoed the words of Pope Benedict when he said, “the best way of treating people with dignity is to tell them the truth, and if we escape from the truth, we are not treating them with dignity.” This truth, which is blunt, precise, and difficult to hear, yet honoring of man’s dignity, is that “homosexuality is against human nature.”
The Papal theologian provides a valuable contribution as well to the ongoing debate here at First Things about the acceptability of a gay identity within the Church’s anthropology:
[I]n the American language you have a distinction between the word “homosexual” and “gay”. A homosexual is a person who has, to some extent, this homosexual condition. And somebody may have this difficulty, and his friends, his neighbors will not know about this. He’s dealing with this in cooperation with the grace of God and may come out of this difficulty and come back to normal human relationships. Sometimes adolescents, in the moment when their sexual sensibility is appearing, and if they have been distorted by others, they go through a phase of difficulty in this field. But as they mature they will grow out of it. Whereas a “gay” is somebody who says, “I am like this, I will be like this, I want to be treated like this, and I want special privileges because I am like this.” Now if somebody is not only homosexual, but a gay, declaring, “This is how I am, and I want this to be respected legally, socially and so on,” such a person will never come out of the difficulty.
In order to come out of any difficulty, one naturally must first recognize that it is one. In my first post here on the subject, I contend that the only way to fully receive the grace the Church has to offer is to understand homosexuality as a wound: The good that comes from homosexuality is the redemption Christ brings as a result of the wound. Recently I quoted Cardinal Ratzinger cautioning against viewing homosexuality as being in anyway good. As we know from our savior, bad fruits are the result of bad trees, and the Catechism tells us that the root of homosexuality has a “psychological genesis.”
The Papal theologian echoes the teachings of the Catechism and Benedict when he calls homosexuality a “distortion of humanity,” and views it as a negative condition which he calls a “trap” that people fall into “for various reasons, and not necessarily for a fault of their own.” He describes one possible reason by saying, “there are people who are emotionally fragile, because they come from broken families, because contraception and abortion has destroyed families, has generated divorces, people who are born and unloved, and not formed well—notice, they are emotionally fragile, and they easily fall prey to sexual deviations.”
Contrary to beliefs reflected in the recent reparative therapy ban in California, the Papal theologian makes it clear that the condition is neither innate nor immutable. He says the condition “is not necessarily permanent” and that some are “passing through a stage” and that “not every person will always be with that difficulty.” That being said, he emphasizes that “the important thing is to help such people find themselves, to return to an emotional and moral integrity.”
Here in America, more and more members of the hierarchy reflect a similar disapproval with choosing to identify as “gay.” It seems no accident that the Vatican appointed the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ point man on the defense of marriage to become archbishop of San Francisco. While bishop of Oakland, Salvatore Cordileone censured the Catholic Association for Lesbian and Gay Ministry as not being “authentically Catholic,” in part because “the terms [lesbian and gay] weren’t in the church’s vocabulary, and were promoted by groups opposed to the church’s moral teaching.”
In a recent article on so-called same-sex “marriage,” Archbishop Charles Chaput eschewed the terms “gay” or “lesbian,” or even, in his case, “homosexual,” in favor of variants of “same-sex attracted.” When asked about those who choose a gay identity during a Q & A in 2011, Cardinal Raymond Burke, America’s leading prelate in the Vatican, said that those who claim a gay identity must say to themselves that this “is not [my] identity, but an aspect of my life which I need to address, which is out of sync with the way God has made me and called me into being.”
The Papal theologian echoes Cardinal Burke’s comments on identity when he says,
[T]he important thing . . . when somebody has a homosexual tendency, is to tell such an individual, “this is not everything that you are. There are many other qualities in you which are good. You may be an artist, you may be a writer, you may be good in your work, you may be a sportsman, [or] you are charitable. There are many aspects of your being.” Whereas a “gay” focuses on this condition, and makes out of it the supreme sacrament, the supreme justification, the supreme expression of the identity of the individual. Well, once that is elevated and is treated as the supreme [and] the most important bit of information that we have about the individual, such an individual will never free himself from this perverted state, and he will never be happy….
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Amazing we have to make such a declaration, but when you’ve “been down so long, it looks like ‘up’ to me”, you have to start somewhere.
Quote from Lennie Bruce, his book title, that McK brings forth. Catchy title, McK, but it’s a sucker’s book. Bruce conned everyone and then tried to con death, but it didn’t work.
Richard Farina.
Serial rape/murder as a wound: where are the movements for these poor victims of genetics? What about the Genghis Khans of history, where are the victimhood movements to heal them? What about the movements to help poor college students who party more than study?
Oops, Ol’ Quickdraw here drew and fired too quick on this one. But then I read the article. Ain’t this what we been a’tellin’ PA, YFC, and various other sodomites, homosexuals, gays, lesbians, perverts, etc?, and for a few years now and counting??? However, the writer of this article brilliantly succeeds in posting brilliant statements from important Church hierarchs. Excellent … of course we’re still waiting on Fr. Giertych to clarify his absurd statement … unless the translator screwed it up … about tobacco and sodomy being equivalent.
Burke? Difficulty? This is garbage. I’ll pray for you.
Jim L, your post has no interpretation. These priests and bishops and cardinals are saying the right thing. If you are a sodomite, then turn from it, pick up your cross and follow Jesus.
Misandry – Hatred of Men & Boys, Masculinity and Normal Heterosexuality, is acted out in many different manners in this Age of Abomination. However, the alliance of Misandry that is the backbone of the Gaystapo Thought Police is IMNPHO the greatest threat to Freedom in America Today.
Some of the loudest cheerleaders for emasculating and homo-sexing males, are the Twysted Systers of the Radical Gender Feminist coven – who simply delight in anything that they feel causes guys to “De-Man themselves, and thus render themselves relatively inoffensive” (quoting Hollyweird Icon Valerie Solanas of the SCUM Manifesto – society for cutting up men).
Said simply – Pogroms that promote hatred of Men (and Harm to Boys) – make the leaders of the Dyke March ‘happy’ too.
Part of the problem in opposing such Evil is in the failure of many to make clear the difference between Love of one’s fellow Man (which the Church Promotes), and Pathological Homo-Anal Coprophile Behaviors like Buggery (which the Church does Not).
The bait and switch scam of promoting ‘Love’, and providing Buggery is simply part of the SSAD (same sex attraction disorder) play.
Some guys, particularly in places like the former City of Saint Francis, now better known as Sodom by the Sea – simply seek to lose themselves in the hedonistic ‘Conga Line of Buggery’ under doctrine of ‘live fast, die young, make a fabulous corpse” – although in fact the ravages of the diseases that accompany such debauchery often require closed coffins at the end. Ahem.
The US Center for Disease Control described the crux of the problems with such Behaviors long ago, and it is true still that no pill will cure them:
“From a purely biological perspective, sodomy is an intrinsically unsanitary and pathological act.
Empirical medical evidence clearly demonstrates that the rectum is not designed for intromission by penises, fists, forearms, etc.
Physiologically, the rectum is designed for the expulsion of feces.
When sodomy is performed, the peculiar inward expansion of the anal canal results in a tearing of the lining as well as bleeding anal fissure…
The damage to the rectal wall facilitates access to the bloodstream of Aids-infected sperm and other disease causing organisms.”
However – When it comes to the Causes that lead Young Men in to such Evil, the failure to recognize the role played by Homosex Abuse (in and out of the Church) – itself is an impediment to ending the Evil and Helping the Victims.
Although her books were banned and back-shelved by many libraries and ‘educational’ institutions, Author Tammy Bruce (*herself an avowed SSA Womyn) provided one of the most forthright and candid analysis I have yet read – at least to come out of the ‘Radical Feminist’ Camp – to which Bruce is now considered a ‘traitor to her species’ also…
Tammy Bruce Said (and I largely agree) that:
“…Frankly, even before the depth of the Catholic Church’s problem became known, it was common knowledge that many gay men pursue sexual relationships with adolescent boys.
Why? Based on my experience in the gay community, I believe it’s due to the fact that so many gay men had their first sexual experience as an adolescent with an adult male.
That is a traumatic experience, and as long as the wound remains untreated, the victim feels compelled to continually reenact the experience so as to master it or project it on to others…
The other reason actually discussed in the community is that, because of the Aids crisis and the emergence of drug resistant strains of contagions like herpes and gonorrhea, gay men are compelled to seek new, untouched young men.”
“Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that’s too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood – molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult.
The gay community must face the truth and see sexual molestation of an adolescent for the abuse it is, instead of the ‘coming of age’ experience many regard it as being.”
Tammy Bruce – The Death of Right & Wrong.
Thank you Michael McDermott for having the courage to tell the truth. If you save just one life, it will have been worth it, but I hope you save many more. I had no idea some homosexuals did such horrible things to their bodies and to those of others until a nurse working in San Francisco around the 1970- 80’s told me what was going on and how some tried to get medical experts fired from their jobs when they told the truth. Keep up the good work.
More religious right wing NONSENSE!!
It’s complete idiocy, is what it is.
“Baloney is the unvarnished lie laid on so thick you hate it. Blarney is flattery laid on so thin you love it.”
Fulton J. Sheen quote
Thomas, do you disagree that penis-anal intercourse is much more unhealthy than penis- vaginal intercourse? If so, why?
Only a fool would put his reproductive organs into another persons digestive tract.
Thanks for your brilliant and informative response Thomas. We’ve come to expect such cohesive and well-thought out ideas which can only come from one living in San Francisco…always willing to debate issues! And peter must live just down the street. Such diversity of opinion ! clap clap
The US Center for Disease Control described the crux of the problems …..“From a purely biological perspective, sodomy is an intrinsically unsanitary and pathological act. Empirical medical evidence clearly demonstrates that the rectum is not designed for intromission by penises, fists, forearms, etc.
Physiologically, the rectum is designed for the expulsion of feces.
When sodomy is performed, the peculiar inward expansion of the anal canal results in a tearing of the lining as well as bleeding anal fissure…
The damage to the rectal wall facilitates access to the bloodstream of Aids-infected sperm and other disease causing organisms.”
Mmmmmm. Sounds like it is less risky to smoke two packs a day, sprinkle lots of salt on your food and drink a couple of 15 oz sodas a day, than it is to have sex with another man. Ya think the elected Priders like Mayor Bloomberg of New York, Christine Quinn, the same sex attracted head of the NY City Council doesn’t know this? Ya think Governor Cuomo, catholic in good standing, and hoping to be the next Prider in the White House — ya think these fools don’t know how physically sickening the push for homosexual acting out is?
This is the full transcript of Father Giertych’s answer. It is on YouTube from LifeSiteNews as Papal Theologian answers question on homosexuality. “This is not an issue which is reacting against the church’s teaching; this is a fundamental anthropological change. This is a distortion of humanity which is being proposed as an ideology which is being supported, financed, promoted by those who are powerful in the world in many, many countries simultaneously. The Church is the only institution in the world which has the courage to stand up to this, to this ideology. Still, I’ve seen the communist ideology which seemed to be so powerful and is gone. Ideologies come and go but. and they have the idea of changing humanity, of changing human nature. Human nature cannot be changed. It can be distorted, but the elevation of perversion to the level of a fundamental value that needs to be nurtured, nourished and promoted…this is absolutely sick. Now, what we are observing in many countries worldwide, certainly in the 20th and now in the 21st century, there is an enormous extension of the responsibility of states. Now, the more the state is encroaching on the [unintelligible] on family life, on education,…the state is saying that only the state has the monopoly to decide upon these things. The more the state is omnipotent, the more the ethical standards are lowered, because it is impossible to promote high ethical standards by the state. The Church may promote high ethical standards because the Church has the grace of Christ, has the Living Word of God. The state lowers the ethical level to the level of approval of sinful acts, of perversion, of a distortion of humanity. Now, we began talking about contraception, and homosexuality is tied with it because since [unintelligible] contraception destroys the quality of relationships amongst the spouses, and it generates sexual license outside marriage, and it reduces sexuality to an easy source of pleasure with no responsibility, and that pleasure without responsibility, without love, is never satisfying and it generates, like a drug, it generates a hunger for even more pleasure which is, even more, not truly satisfying, not giving ultimate happiness. And so there is a search for even more perverted types of sexual pleasure which can never fulfill the human person. So, homosexuality, of course, is a distortion. Now, of course, many people fall into this trap for various reasons, and not necessarily through a fault of their own. There a people who are emotionally fragile because they come from broken families, because contraception and abortion has destroyed families, has generated divorces. People who are born and not loved and not formed well, not nourished; they are emotionally fragile and they may easily fall prey to sexual deviations. And it is not a question of assessing their culpability, sometimes maybe they are not culpable, they’ve been drawn into it. So certainly, I think we can say that the percentage of people who have this problem is maybe greater now than it has been in the past. And they have to be treated with dignity and even sinners have to be treated with dignity. But the best way of treating people with dignity is to tell them the truth, and if we escape from the truth, we are not treating them with dignity. and so, homosexuality is against human nature. Now there are many things which people do which are unnatural. Smoking cigarettes is also unnatural. You can live with the addiction to tobacco; you can die of it. Yet there are people who are addicted to tobacco and we meet with them and we deal with it and we don’t deny their dignity. Certainly, people with the homosexual difficulty deserve to be respected. Of course there are various stages of the distortion of the sexuality in the homosexual orientation. There is the emotional attraction, and the genital activity. Not every person who has this difficulty, or who is passing through a stage which is not necessarily permanent (not every person will always be in that, with that difficulty). So the important thing is how to [unintelligible] it to help such people to return to an emotional and moral integrity. But of course they need to be respected. And in the American language you have a distinction between the word homosexual and gay. A homosexual is a person who has, to some extent, this homosexual condition. Somebody may have this difficulty and his friends, his neighbors may know about this. He is dealing with this with the cooperation of the grace of God and may come out of this difficulty and come back to normal human relationships. Sometimes adolescents, in a moment when their sexual sensibilities is appearing and if they have been distorted by others, they go through a phase of difficulties in this field, but as they mature they will grow out of it. And where as a gay is someone who says “I am like this. I will be like this. I want to be treated like this. And I want special privileges because I am like this.” Now if somebody is not only homosexual but a gay they are declaring “this is how I am and I want this to be respected legally and socially” and so on…such a person will never come out of the difficulty. The important thing is when someone has a homosexual tendency is to tell such individuals “This is not everything that you are. There are many other qualities in you which are good, you may be an artist, you may be a writer, you may be good in your work, you may be a sportsman, you are charitable, there are many aspects of your being.” Where as a gay focuses on this condition and makes out of it the supreme sacrament, the supreme justifica…the supreme expression of the identity of the individual. Once that is elevated and treated as the supreme, the most important bit of information that we have about the individual, such an individual will never free himself from this perverted state and he will never be happy. And homosexual activities of gays who are affirming their identity doesn’t lead to permanent relationships, doesn’t lead to the transmission of life; it is a distortion. And so the Church, standing up to this ideology which we are seeing now, certainly in the Western world, the Church is saying something very normal and humane which corresponds to the understanding of humanity which humanity has had for millennia, long before Christ, long before the appearance of Christianity. It’s not a question of the Church fighting the ideology; it’s a question of a distortion of humanity and the Church standing up in defense of human dignity. And the Church, because the Church is focused on Christ, and in Christ the divinity and humanity are tied in one person, the two natures..so in Christ we are seeing the human nature on its supreme level as it is elevated and glorified from within by the divinity. By focusing on Christ, we have the supreme answer about anthropology, about pedagogy, about psychology, about morals. Christ shows us a humanity which is supremely transformed from within by the divinity. Now we have access to the grace of God through our faith, through the sacraments. By living out the grace of God, that grace heals whatever distortions we might have, whatever difficulties we may have, on the condition that we initiate, we commence the pilgrimage, we start the journey of living our lives in the grace of God.”
How wonderful it would be if these truths could be taught. This is why many are so extremely grateful to California Catholic Daily for their ongoing faithfulness which helps to teach, inform and help to bind up the wounds with the fullness of TRUTH. Many will never be told, guided or shown this article.
Many will never be taught the fullness of truth because they they are deliberately being taught distortions of the truth. The reality is these beautiful truths that we read above are not only NOT being taught, they are being completely rejected and ignored in many a diocese, in many chanceries, in many parishes, in many Catholic universities, Catholic high schools and even Catholic grammar schools. We also see the usual posters above who are also threatened by this article. The problem is, we need much more than articles about “wounds”. We need holy shepherds who are not afraid to discipline or deny Christ.
PLESAE STOP the perennial tap dancing around these particular “wounds”! There are numerous kinds or types of different wounds from Original sin. This particular “wound” is being particularly coddled in the spotlight because the devil has gotten much destructive mileage within the Church with this particular “wound”.
The “wound” of homosexuality within the Church has been allowed to WOUND THE BODY OF CHRIST and now this “wound” is wounding society and the world. Many of those who are “wounded” are in positions of complete authority and have no intention of ending their agenda of WOUNDING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Beautiful and compassionate and truthful teachings, talks and public speeches about the “wounds” will not end the continuation of the WOUNDING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST until the rebellious “wounded” are removed from choke holding positions of authority and placed in positions where they may penitentially deal with their “wounds” without influencing or distorting or undermining or enabling the WOUNDING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST. It is Truthful! It is Merciful and it speaks to the Dignity of the Sacred Priesthood to say to a disobedient Bishop or a disobedient Cardinal …. “You are now being asked to lovingly serve God in a completely different capacity. In keeping with the beautiful teachings that we love the sinner while rejecting the sin, we love you and we will pray for you because Collegiality SHOULD NOT HAVE EVER MEANT OR MEAN COLLEGIALITY TO USE YOUR particular “wounds” to continually WOUND THE BODY OF CHRIST in direct opposition to the Magisterium in collegiality with the “wounded”.
As the Church goes the world goes.
To not address this particular “wound” that is WOUNDING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST with a specific disciplinary action is to continue to deny Christ by repeating the terrible misjudgment or in many cases the horrific evil of knowingly sweeping the sex abuse scandals under a rug while pretending to cover up these ongoing festering “wounds”. Malignant cancerous growths and festering and rebellious “wounds” do not simply go away without an intense radiation of authentic Catholic teaching coupled with determined and precise surgical excision. The underlying motive of this most needed disciplinary action must be a purity of intention for the love and conversion of all who are offending God. We saw what happened with the lives of innocent children when this same fateful course of years of non-action was taken. Evil doers were not removed. As the denial continued the scandals grew and more souls lost their faith due to denial and cover up. As the Church goes the world goes. The “wounded” in positions of authority have in some cases destroyed the faith of trusting sheep because of a failure to protect and the “wounded” continue to compromise the faith of millions. The Divine Physician heals divinely when his shepherds obediently feed, protect and guard his sheep. The only thing that is actually being honored, guarded and protected are the “wounds” of wolves.
As the Church goes the world is going. CLEAN HOUSE!
The “wounded” have for many years continued to thumb their “wounded” noses at the Magisterium and the beautiful and truthful and dignity filled teachings of the Catholic Church. The “wounded” have completely ignored the Mother of God (Our Lady of Fatima) (Our Lady of Akita) who asked these shepherds to please stop compromising the faith. It is a good time to STOP focusing on the “wounds” which happen to be the “wounded tail” that is wagging THE WOUNDING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST! CLEAN HOUSE and the “wounds” will not have have been given the authority to continually WOUND THE BODY OF CHRIST.
Jesus asked Peter to feed his sheep 3 times. This was the same number of times that Peter denied Christ.
Please no more denial about the “wound” within that is WOUNDING THE BODY OF CHRIST. CLEAN HOUSE! CLEAN HOUSE ! CLEAN HOUSE!
Jesus did not say… “Peter when the wolves in sheep’s clothing scatter my sheep, keep focusing on the particular “wound” of the particular wolves. Jesus asked Peter 3 times to FEED HIS LAMBS with the beautiful teachings and truths of his One , Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
CLEAN HOUSE!
As the Church Goes the world goes.
Thank you too, Anonymous, for posting Fr. Giertych’s full answer. It is the softer approach, and just as some might need Michael Mc Dermott’s approach to stay out of trouble and healthy and not to seduce others, many more probable need Fr. Giertych’s approach. God help us! what ever works.
Catherine excellent comments and I agree completely. You said it well….Clean house….
It will take a great perseverance with fortitude and consistency to turn things around…we all need to do our part.
Like a good parent that firmly speaks with authority, so it also needs to happen as well from our church leadership and lay faithful. I don’t know why it feels this way, it may feel this way because of the area we live at or for whatever other reason…..but it feels like we are less and less who hold like minded in Christ.
It’s sad…well anyhoo, we can’t dwell on that because it only will cause us to lose hope or be discouraged, we must keep our focus on Christ and to continue to approach everything with love and humility…
God bless you Catherine!
Catherine lets remind everyone to pray…for even those who are in grave sin, if they pray the way it is most pleasing to our Lord, it can help them towards avoiding sin.
“No soul ever fell away from God without giving up prayer. Prayer is that which establishes contact with Divine Power and opens the invisible resources of heaven. However dark the way, when we pray, temptation can never master us. The first step downward in the average soul is the giving up of the practice of prayer, the breaking of the circuit with divinity, and the proclamation of one’s owns self sufficiency.”
― Fulton J. Sheen, Characters of the Passion: Lessons on Faith and Trust
The author mentions Oakland’s Bishop Cordileone (now the Archbishop of San Francisco) and his instruction to the Berkeley-based pro-homosexual Catholic group CALGM to submit a statement of faith to Catholic teaching. Sounds good, but nothing has been done and Archbishop Cordileone has, as they say, “moved on”. Now he has published in his own San Francisco Catholic newspaper an extreme pro-sodomy article by Fr. Gerald Coleman. Entitled “Coming out as gay”, this article was described in a June 12 CalCatholic article, “Fr. Coleman on Jason Collins”, an athlete whom Fr. Coleman praises effusively.
Why, Archbishop Cordileone, are you playing this game wherein you are the ultimate Catholic supporting marriage, but on the other hand you let your minions publish such absolutely rotten and degenerate and anti-catholic material of the type that Fr. Coleman excels at?
Being gay myself, I can relate to the hard feelings from the lavender gallery on board. Please don’t tell me being gay is normal, I despise my condition, yet feel powerless!
Buddha Is Laughing-You are far from powerless as God will always give you the strength you need to endure. On our own we are all powerless in the struggles and temptations we face, but if we rely on God and the people He gives us for strength, we too will triumph. More importantly, do not fear failure or be discouraged if you fall, but allow the Lord to pick you back up. God bless you and thank you for your honesty. I will be sure to say some prayers for you. God Love You.
Buddha Is Laughing, keep on praying and trying to get help to overcome your addiction, and that is what it is. Like any other addiction, the longer it is entrenched, the harder it is to overcome. I quit smoking over forty years ago through what was a twelve-step prayer and did not even know it at the time, but about once or twice a year I dream about smoking and wake up feeling guilty, only to happily find out it was just a dream. I still love the smell of tobacco. Nevertheless, any addiction can be overcome, one day at a time, one minute at a time, one step at a time. If you are willing.
God bless you Anne T, God bless you. I hate smoking. My parents both smoked. My mom gave up smoking almost 30 years ago for health reasons, she said it was the worst thing. She loved cigarettes. My dad gave it up at the same time but he was never addicted so it wasn’t hard for him. One of my close friends was a heavy smoker, she died of lung cancer at 43 in September 2001 due to her smoking. She went through torment. I know a lot of people who have died because of smoking. Smoking killed my father–n-law, a couple co-workers that I cared deeply for died because of smoking. I never smoked once in my life and am glad I never did. Cigarettes are evil.
Read the Last Line in the post by Anonymous. It is a transcription from the interview with the Papal Theologian. I am not gay but I would say it is true of all things that one must wrestle with in life. As we walk in the Lord and in his grace, our problems and troubles are less burdensome. Some go away; some just don’t bother us as much. God bless you.
Buddha is Laughing, I don’t hate my condition. I hate how people who hate this make me feel about myself. I hate how people who hate people like me harm my faith. I hate how people are laughing when they cause pain to someone they despise.
PA, perhaps Buddha has better grasp of the truth than you do…
PA, do you condone penis-anal intercourse under certain conditions? If so, what are those conditions?
I have never done it kaves1, I am not an authority on this. People need to discuss it with their doctor.
PA, for a married couple who have followed Church teaching on sex outside of marriage, there is usually no need to consult a doctor before engaging in vaginal intercourse. Do people have to be authorities on vaginal intercourse before engaging in it? No. Why not? – because it is natural and generally safe if the people have followed Church teaching. However, things seem to be different for penis-anal intercourse.
Kaves1, I don’t know why you ask me this anyway. Since it is something that I have never done, it isn’t a temptation for me. I never even knew that people did that until I was like 28 years old. I don’t really know what its like. The same with smoking, I never smoked so I don’t really know what it is like. I know more about that from a lifetime of being exposed to second hand smoke but now I don’t even have to worry about that because most places people can’t smoke. I don’t know what it is like to be addicted to it. I admire Anne T for telling what it was like for her. I think my mom felt the same way that she does.
PA, It should be obvious why I ask you this. In past postings you have expressed support for so-called committed homosexual couples. Penis-anal intercourse is common among such male couples. But such intercourse is quite unhealthy even if neither carries STDs, if you read the medical literature . Doctors publish such literature to help inform the public. In light of such un-healthiness, do you support such activity in so-called committed homosexual couples? If so, why?
kaves1, you interrogation of Mark gets old. Mark has said often that this type of sex is sinful. And stop being disgusting. No one who comments here should have to read that.
Prudance, PA disagrees with Church teaching on active homosexuality in committed relationships and has stated so several times. He is also a catechist. He also attempts to undermine the CCC in regards to homosexual teaching. I ask questions because he is evasive. People have been dealing with him for years, including myself. How long have you been on this website?
Yes to some extent the subject matter is disgusting. It is this aspect that homosexuals don’t like to talk about precisely because it undermines their objectives. The disgusting acts should have been discussed early on and maybe some things could have been prevented.
In other words, Mark, you hate your fellow Catholics! You are just bubbling over with vitrol against what you perceive as persecution against a ‘condition’ that you don’t hate. Wow. You really are in a bind, MarkA, as after all the countless posts people have devoted in trying (many times with great patience and love, but with impatience and disgust, as well, it’s true) to open your heart to help you, you are still clinging to who you think you really are (pride) and not who God in His mercy wants you to be! You are indeed a lesson to us all, for without humility and repentance we are all condemned to sliding down that easy road to hell. It’s EASY, Mark, to be who we are ‘naturally’ but so difficult to become who we are meant to be ‘supernaturally’. I grieve for you MarkA, and not in a superior or judgmental way. Sure, you are a sweet man, but you’re burdened with a sympathy for the devil, which is a terrible weight rather like that millstone Jesus talked about that will drag us eventually down into the depths of the sea. It’s a fatal flaw, and one we must all be aware of in our own lives, each in his or her own way.
I didn’t say I hated anyone Dana, I said I hate how. As in I hate how people mistreat other people. I hate how some people damage their health by doing unhealthy things. I agree with you about chocolate though. I eat too much chocolate too at times.
Dana, I can tell you I have no sympathy for the devil. I don’t even think about the devil. I don’t know why you would say such an awful think. I am not interested in that stuff. I was never interested in the occult, voodoo or any of that stuff. When “The Exorcist” came out I was a young person and my best friend wanted me to go see him and I wouldn’t go. I didn’t want to see that crap. When we renew our Baptismal promises on Easter we renounce satan. That is about it for me thinking about it, except when people here try to push the devil on me.
Thank you for your blessing, Mark PA. Buddha is laughing has said before in the blogs on other articles that he is a practicing homosexual. It is this that he means I assume when he says that he hates his condition. We should all help him to turn his life around, so he leads a good healthy life.
Buddha Is Laughing God bless you, you are in my prayers. : )
Pray to God to be willing, Buddha Is Laughing. I know it can be done. After I said that prayer and turned it over to God, I did not try to stop smoking, but three days later I woke up, took my pack of cigarettes and threw them in the trash, and I have never smoked since. I had tried to quit before, but kept going back and could not do it on my own. The woman who wrote the book with the prayer said to not tell people that you were TRYING to quit, but that you HAD quit, and that is what I did, and for me it worked. I was a two pack a day smoker and had hit my bottom while reading an article about smoking and cancer. Luckily, I never smoke marijuana. Regular cigarettes were addicting enough for me. I will pray for you. You are worth ending your addiction. It sounds as if you just might have hit your bottom. For your sake and that of others, please do something about it, if only to turn your life over to God and ask him to help you to get the right kind of help, and above all avoid all occasions for sin. God bless and keep you in the palm of His hand.
Here are the Twelve Steps for addictions. You might like to try them. The God of my understanding is the Holy Trinity, Father, Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit. I need to practice this principals more myself.
1. We admitted we were powerless over (our addiction), and that our lives had become unmanageable. 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him. 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed , and became willing to make admends. 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. 10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. 11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knoweledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to to others, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
I’ve also found in my own life, avoid those things that lead me to want to sin. Turn and run from it. It’s not cowardly but takes courage to run from something that you really want but know is wrong. But I draw the line at giving up chocolate!
The recent story of a healthy normal Woman who wants to have her fully functional legs – Surgically Disabled, helps shine a light on not just a Wound bound up with the radical homosex agenda – but also the rank raw Hatred behind too much of it.
This disablement is different from the Drag Fetish or ‘Womyn with a P-ns’ mode that leads some Men in to venture further in to surgical mutilation in the quest for the impossible; and falls more in line with the stories of Child Abuse – with Gaystapo activists using drugs on children to ‘change’ their Normal Gender development – for political purposes.
By contrast – the Man Trapped in a Man’s Body hoping to find a Womyn under the cosmetics & drag, is quite different than the Self Mutilating Steroid Dyke who claims to be the ‘new man’ – replacing the old knuckle dragging ‘Y-DNA BioManPigOppressor Patriarchy’ – BAMN, By Any Means Necessary.
This is a manifestation of MISANDRY (Separatist / Neo-Exterminatinoist Hatred of Men & Boys, Masculinity and Normal Heterosexuality) that seeks to create “A World Devoid of Men” as a rape prevention measure, amongst other things.
Paradoxically, it was Rape by an Older Dyke that led young Chastity Bono (sonny & chers daughter) in to her Steroid Abuse / Mutilation pogrom – although Hollyweird certainly greased the skid marks.
Anywayyy – the difference between Amputation ( Apotemnophilia ) or Surgical Disablement – and ‘sex change’ – is simply political, with the former being ‘discriminated’ against due to ‘Ism-Obia” – by those who are perfectly OK with the latter process – so long as it Supports Misandry.
SEE: Able-bodied woman wants surgery to make her paraplegic
Read more: https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/07/17/able-bodied-woman-wants-surgery-to-make-her-paraplegic/?
Look for selective targeting by the tranny/drag contingent of business and particularly Church Related activities where they can force their Orwellian ‘Double-Think’ on the congregation as a whole.
There will be an undoubted increase in both Men publicly exposing their genitals to girls of all ages (flashers now have a ‘Get Out of Jail Free’ card, by claiming they too are Womyn)… Even if it takes a while to “Discover” that a naked Man is actually Female. Ahem
***SEE: College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls
By Todd Starnes
A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women’s locker room…
– a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman’s locker room at Evergreen State College.
Students from nearby Olympia High School as well as children at a local swimming club share locker rooms with the college.
According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room.
A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.
The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered
but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren’t used to seeing male genitals.
https://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/college-allows-transgender-man-to-expose-himself-to-young-girls.html
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– But also Stalking of Men and Boys by Steroid Dykes. A very small number of such deeply MIsandrist Womyn have undergone surgical mutilation in addition to steroid abuse, in order to produce a urinary drain they demand be called a ‘P-ns’ – as a means of denigrating the Male sex organ they hate with a vengeance.
The types of rabid frothing hind foot thumping Hatred of Men and Boys that drives such behaviors, also motivates them to stalk toilets for the purpose of what has been described many ways, but may be euphemised as “weenie shrinking”.
In this case the ‘Misandry Fix’ is obtained by exposing hyr mutilated skin folds in public somehow (School Showers, saunas, gyms and pools…) & particularly in public Men’s Bathrooms with multiple Urinals.
The psychodyke charge from such acts is akin to SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) author Valerie Solanas blowing holes in Andy Warhole, and true understanding of the rage against the hated ‘Y-DNA BioManPigOppressor’ Patriarchy that fuels them is also the Tenure Track in ‘womyns studies’ in the pathetic farce of academentia.
Meantime – Here is the New Order, thanks to CHINOs Moonbeam & Tommy T.P.
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LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL’S DIGEST – An act to amend Section 221.5 of the Education Code, relating to pupil rights.
AB 1266, Ammiano. Pupil rights: sex-segregated school programs and activities.
Existing law prohibits public schools from discriminating on the basis of specified characteristics, including gender, gender identity,
and gender expression,
and specifies various statements of legislative intent and the policies of the state in that regard.
Existing law requires that participation in a particular physical education activity or sport, if required of pupils of one sex, be available to pupils of each sex.
This bill would require that a pupil be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.
The people of the State of California do enact as follows:
SECTION 1.
Section 221.5 of the Education Code is amended to read:
221.5.
(a) It is the policy of the state that elementary and secondary school classes and courses, including nonacademic and elective classes and courses, be conducted, without regard to the sex of the pupil enrolled in these classes and courses.
(b) A school district may not prohibit a pupil from enrolling in any class or course on the basis of the sex of the pupil, except a class subject to Chapter 5.6 (commencing with Section 51930) of Part 28 of Division 4 of Title 2.
(c) A school district may not require a pupil of one sex to enroll in a particular class or course, unless the same class or course is also required of a pupil of the opposite sex.
(d) A school counselor, teacher, instructor, administrator, or aide may not, on the basis of the sex of a pupil, offer vocational or school program guidance to a pupil of one sex that is different from that offered to a pupil of the opposite sex or, in counseling a pupil, differentiate career, vocational, or higher education opportunities on the basis of the sex of the pupil counseled. Any school personnel acting in a career counseling or course selection capacity to a pupil shall affirmatively explore with the pupil the possibility of careers, or courses leading to careers, that are nontraditional for that pupil’s sex.
The parents or legal guardian of the pupil shall be notified in a general manner at least once in the manner prescribed by Section 48980, in advance of career counseling and course selection commencing with course selection for grade 7 so that they may participate in the counseling sessions and decisions.
(e) Participation in a particular physical education activity or sport, if required of pupils of one sex, shall be available to pupils of each sex.
(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.
Those who have hardened hearts and who refuse to seek Jesus and turn away from sinful lifestyles, they need the truth more, they need to feel empowered to discern and seek the truth, the hardened hearts of the pro-gay activists don’t want anyone to seek the truth for them selves whey want you to think like them…
they are indeed like minded in their cause, that is why they have been able to grow but like Bishop Fulton Sheen once said about hardened hearts: “Sometimes the only way the good Lord can get into some hearts is to break them.” by Fulton Sheen
I was offering prayers for our brothers and sisters who are lost to these temptations. They need our great love and support, they need edification to seek what is right in God’s eye’s. They have a heavy burden to carry, their cross and so many do not understand why they are tempted to such sins.
They are blinded so deeply, it is always a gift and refreshing to see or hear about another soul who breaks away from the bondage of any sin. After all if we love one another, even those who persecute us and hate us for seeking what is right, then this wonderful quote from Bishop Fulton Sheen will be a pearl to us to and perhaps it may shed a light and have more compassion for those who struggle the most.
“It is easy to find truth; it is hard to face it, and harder still to follow it.”~Archbishop Fulton John Sheen
That is why we need God and His graces for His help. This explains why, when our free will is ruled by pride, why it denies the truth, it it is so much work to want to change, it is a struggle to have to suffer. Who wants to see themselves in the truth…many will not be able to handle it. It would mean that they would have to admit their flaws and sinfulness, it would mean that they would have to admit that they are wrong and who wants to have those kind of pains. But it must be done….for our own good and most of all for our love in Christ and our relationship with Christ, to restore our relationship with Him! After all we worship an awesome God! He is worthy of all our best….He meets us at our level and improves on that with His love and graces! He is our wonderful ABBA Father! He only wants what is best for us.
They say don’t judge…but they are deceivers because we humans were created with the ability to discern and judge right from wrong. This society has done away from that so much as to cause so much confusion and chaos…yes chaos because you will now find that the truth is seen as wrong and judging. Sin has been desensitized. and the sinner struggles to discern well, the sinner now questions the truth more than ever.
Oh Lord we are so sorry for how wrong we have gone…..I don’t know how we can fix this….this seems impossible for me but with you Lord nothing is impossible….We pray for the conversion of all sinners and for those who are called to do your holy will….we pray that they say yes and if it is us who you call…we pray for your help to discern well. Amen!
More words of wisdom from Archbishop Fulton Sheen:
“Some will not look on suffering because it creates responsibility.” ~Archbishop Fulton John Sheen
Our brains today are big enough. Could it be that our hearts are too small? ~Archbishop Fulton John Sheen
Homosexuality is here to stay, it’s not going away, and the legalization effort will continue to gain traction. A slight plurality of US Catholics now favor gay marriage, even as they understand that the Church won’t.
This is an issue with a worldwide base and a growing audience of straight people that favor just leaving them alone in their relationships because it’s not worth the fight. We can certainly find other things in the Church right now to worry about of greater import..