The following comes from a Nov. 25 story in the Valley Catholic, a publication of the San Jose diocese.
Some members of the order, the Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, were retiring. Some were developing illnesses. All of them were getting older. How could they address the future?
“Our ministry has always been to respond to the needs of the day,” explains Sister Kate (Kathryn Ondreyco) the development director of the order.
First of all they looked at their careers which centered in the teaching field. Their schools closed, and they started to look for work in their parishes. They also expanded into the healthcare field. When they first came to California from Canada where they originated, they moved to Oakland where they were based for a long while. There, on the shores of Lake Merritt, they built a convent, a school, a high school and finally a university.
As the sisters started to retire and the need for education expanded the order began looking for another place in the ‘50s and ‘60s. They found it in the hills of Los Gatos just below the Jesuit property. “Los Gatos was just a sleepy little town at that time,” recalls Sister Kate. They started to build a retirement home, a place for medical care, a novitiate and even a Montessori School. They became part of the parish and faculty of St. Mary’s in Los Gatos.
They were very attuned to the changing needs of their order so they established a planning committee to take care of their future. In particular they were aware of the changing health needs of the sisters and the aging problems of their building. As they did their research for the future of healthy nuns, nuns in need of assisted living, and some in need of full time medical care, they encountered an unexpected stumbling block. There were strict restrictions on what they could do to the hill property.
Their order, The Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, is only part of a large, international order which includes Ontario and Manitoba in Canada, Portland, Oregon, southern Africa, Brazil and Japan. They are used to adapting to change so they rolled up their sleeves and found new solutions.
“We placed 20 of our sisters in Our Lady of Fatima in Saratoga. They participate in various liturgies and participate in other activities where they invite all residents to join them.”
About 30 of their sisters were placed in another retirement facility called Merrill Gardens in Campbell. “There’s a wonderful spirit of hospitality there and the sisters exercise with the residents. They have organized pastoral teams in both facilities.”
The next problem to be solved was “where do our offices go? In Los Gatos, we had a home. We had our chapel, our archives, our offices.” They were lucky to discover the Holy Spirit Episcopal parish which was in the process of moving. “This property had a chapel, offices and room space. It was a good investment and finally we had a place in California which we could call home.”
Finally they had to sell their property on the hill in Los Gatos to get enough money to solve the cost of long-term healthcare for the sisters. They worked diligently to listen to their neighbors’ requests and concerns. They were so successful that when they came before the Los Gatos Planning Commission, there were no objections….
To read the original story, click here.
Beautiful picture of the sisters in their boat (pre-Vatican II of course). Go onto their home page, however, and the only habit you will encounter is that the remaining old sisters, look to be “over served” (as they say here in the South). What a complete shame (and self-administered poison, to be sure).
Please refrain from “Oh, how cruel, I knew sister this and that and she was wonderful”. Probably true, but now Satan is in charge, and no young woman wants to join a group that is likely more Wiccan-focused, than Jesus-focues. The Angel of Death will decide what “side” survives, and it sure likes like the Traditionalist sisters will win out.
There is a purpose to wearing a habit, and living within the community, and praying and living together, and being contemplative (or at least being prayerful when going out into the world). Modern nuns are very sad, and very bitter. So, the Vatican Report, which will likely be glowing in favor of the LCWR, probably means very little, just as the Lefty-Brigade of Zombie Cardinals and Bishops crying out, “more Vatican II”, will soon, very soon, be sitting on rockers or facing their Final Judgment.
And, just look at the ruination that they have caused. In addition, they have done this all on the tab of Believers that have forked over hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions) to feed, clothe, house, employ, and retire these religious. What a complete and utter waste.
Have you gone off and lived a celibate life in habit and a cloister? I have a feeling not….
To Whom was this place sold, and what ends to they intend for it?
Paying for Retirement of Nuns (and Clergy / Staff) with decades of loyal service to the Church is a Good Thing – but one wonders at the piecemeal manner in which this is apparently happening, and whether or not the property will even remain in Catholic Hands, let alone be used for the good of All the Church.
I suppose it is the thought of such a place being turned in to a Silicon.Com Mini-Mansion with hot and cold running – Whatever You Want Kid, you’re the Mega Millionaire Here, go wild and indulge as pleases you…
Kind of makes me think that perhaps ‘We’ (the Church Leaders) should be taking care of the Retirement and Re-Purposing the facility to a new goal… Rather than getting run out of Los Gatos by the prices like the rest of the working class.
BTW – What happened to the Holy Spirit Episcopal Congregation? Was this part of the Great Schism whereby the Courts award the building and bank account to the small hardcore of Gaystapo activists trashing the place – and the Parishioners get to meet in a parking lot under a tarp, as befits those plagued with “Ism-Obia”?
incomprehensible babble from mickydee
Vatican II was a very foolish, ridiculous, near-worthless conclave! It has nearly killed the Church! Instead, why didn’t the Council simply try to fix Church problems and abuses? But I know, that the reason for Vatican II– was to “modernize” the Church! Today, at the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, it was so sad, to see the near-empty church, and lack of interest! Plus, it is so sad in today’s era, because so few priests remind laymen of the beauty and necessity of attendance at Holyday of Obligation Masses! And the Rosary is very rarely prayed any more, in our churches! Where were all the families and children, for today’s beautiful Feast of the Immaculate Conception?? Where were the lovely sermons, all about the Blessed Mother?? And of course– no nuns, either, to teach and inspire the children, in Catholic schools! All the good which the pre-Vatican II Church could have given to today’s world, is now dead and gone, relegated to history books! All for Pope St. John XIII’s desire for “aggiornamento,” or “modernization!” What a shame!
Linda Marie,
Find a Traditional parish and you will find everything you now regret that is missing including a crowded church for the Feast of The Immaculate Conception!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
to the “Moderator”—- post it just as it appears or delete it. you remind me of the
Gestapo.
…would that you could encounter the true Gestapo, caritas. Your vast ignorance amazes and is likely the reason for your casting out terms you have no means whatever to comprehend.
It’s nice to have some comic relief. Phew. Things have been pretty intense lately. Can anyone imagine any church, government or even Patty Smith’s hometown ( is it Baltimore? I know she lived for awhile Detroit…The whole drug scene) inviting her to sing Christmas carols? I mean , seriously? So what is it with the pope asking her for the second year in a row to do so in the Vatican? What a pity there are no Catholic singers who actually believe in Jesus Christ available that he felt compelled to personally invite Ms smith , who was a Jehovah’s witness before becoming nothing. I suppose I must be thankful she won’t be dancing a tango set to “I Saw Mama Kissing Santa Claus”?
Ps this was in response to Ann Malley.
As many have stated, the Catholic Church is more than one Pope, one style, one era. Thank GOD for that. I do.
That tango/mama kissing santa visual is a real kicker.
God bless :)
Did I miss something? I thought this article was about the nuns selling their Mother House. And then the cat fight started!
I have known a handful of the nuns of this order. They worked in a couple of parishes to which I have belonged. Though they were older, they worked to support themselves and the order. As the nuns get older, the medical bills get bigger, the pensions are non-existent and the houses are more expensive to keep up. Many orders have sold their houses to care for the elderly nuns. The nuns I know are devastated by the need to sell the property. That was home for them. Yet, we the church don’t seem to have a system for letting them keep their Mother Houses. Alas!
Bob ONe, Interesting post. We just donated to the Retirement Fund for Religious. The money goes to direct care for the elderly religious. This article sounds like the sisters have done a good job in handling their finances. Having to sell the property to pay for eldercare is something a lot of us are faced with these days. Maybe some kind-hearted person will give them some chairs for Christmas.
‘Anonymous” and “Bob One” well, why is no one surprised with the tone and direction of your comments. This, and many other orders, cannot care for their elderly in that almost no one is joining these Liberal orders. Traditional religious orders are often flourishing these days. They will be buying, not selling, their property, and new sisters will be there to assist in caring for their aged religious sisters.
And, why is this? Because the Zombie-Liberals are rejected by the very secular culture that they have embraced. Instead of doing as their good and valuable sisters in the past have done, these Vatican II-inspired sisters effectively left the goals of their orders and became, well, simply religious lay women. Doing good as a teacher or social welfare type worker is certainly not the same as being a devoted Bride of Christ, and showing the world, through wearing of the habit, by personal sanctity, by living in a religious community, and by a strong defense of the Catholic Faith, that they are more than happy to pray and perform the works of mercy for themselves, and for all of us.
Sorry to say, this order, and many, many others lost their way, and are forced to sell all to preserve the few that remain.
And you do, of course.
The above comment was addressed to the ever-omniscient Anne Malley.
Ann— at least my writing is terse; not overblown with insulting adjectives.
There, there. It’s okay. You’re with friends.
Dana, my 11 Dec comment was in response to yours of 10 Dec @ 12:25 p.m.
The above comment was intended for Linda! Marie! !!!!!!!!
Because there will soon be NUN left, all the old convents, monasteries, retreat houses, orphanages, hospitals, schools, and religious summer houses are being sold. Another proof that Vatican II was and is a failure. Ave Maria Purrissima!
Fortunately there are some relatively young religious orders, both for men (priests and brothers) and women, that have been founded in recent decades. They are loyal and faithful to the teachings of the Church, the Magisterium. They wear habits and have a regular prayer life in addition to their “ministries” whatever they may be. They are flourishing, and one local Religious order of men is having to relocate and build a much larger church, school, seminary, etc. because of burgeoning numbers. They are originally from Hungary…may the number of these Orders increase. We have to pray for vocations every day and for priests, Sisters and brothers who serve us so faithfully. And thank God for them.
Here is the fastest growing order in the US
All of these orders are “dying” out literally, they ceased to be nuns when they “burned” their habits after Vatican II. These orders are all possesed by satanic forces most are old, bitter, and soon to leave this earth. Oh I know I will hear things like, Janek you are so hatefull etc, I only speak the truth, Vatican II destroyed every aspect of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church only the return of the Traditional Latin Mass and sacraments can save the Church and the departure of this current man who calls himself the Bishop of Rome and does not consider himself to be the Pope.
Pray for the F.S.S.P., Institute of Christ the King and yes the S.S.P.X. who will come home to Rome and really shake things up and bring a return to Tradition and the Traditional Latin Mass back to St. Peter’s and all of our altars and once and for all kick the “man made” Novus Ordo dinner serice out the window for good!!!
Amen to that, Janek!!!
Janek, if you truly care about the EF Mass, you will not fall into the trap of those who hate the EF Mass.
These haters want nothing more than to cause dissention and hatred amongst Catholics.
Promote the form of the Mass you think serves us well, but if you can not say anything nice about the other form, do not say anything at all.
You’re hatred is not from the Holy Spirit. And you drive people away from our beloved EF Mass.
“…You’re hatred is not from the Holy Spirit. And you drive people away from our beloved EF Mass.”
With all due respect, Our Lady hates sin, Louis. And if one if one truly believes that the form itself – not Christ’s presence – but the form of mass detracts from that Presence or the worship due to Our Lord, then that vehemence against the form is consistent. Especially when the new rite of mass is so open to abuse and is, despite what many have been told, Protestanised.
You are also mistaken if you truly hold that Janek’s approach is certain to ‘drive people away’ from the TLM. You do not know this, Louis, but have only been told as much. Perhaps there are some that are turned off by this approach. But there are others that are greatly intrigued by such passionate witness and are driven by it to discover the source of said passion and THAT is what leads them to the TLM.
It is not just a matter of preference, Louis, despite the narrative of ‘falling into the trap’ that is passed around to keep the peace.
Our Lady supports Our Lord always. Rebellion against the Church is not pleasing to our Lord or our Lady. One should always defer to and obey the Vicar of Christ and the Successor to the Apostles. We know that self-will is not pleasing to the Lord. One should always do what is less pleasing to one’s nature. You are not bound to act as you truly believe. You are bound to act in accordance with the Lord’s Will. Do you think you can get by with sin by telling Jesus you really believed something the Church said was wrong? Why would he even establish a Church and preserve it in Truth then? I guess for those of us who really do want to know Him, love Him and serve Him and who deny our very selves and follow Him.
No, mous, rebellion against the Church is frowned upon, but the ‘Church’ is more than just the political styles of now. So while I applaud your desire for fidelity, there comes a time when obeying in all but sin is the order of the day. Not all parents are good, not all leaders in the Church are of good will or pleasing to the Lord.
Look back through history and learn of those who had to, in conscience, oppose that which was evil, corrupt, and not of God. That is protecting the Church, friend, not blindly believing that a new doctrine that embraces that which is in formal schism is somehow now good. It is not.
The folks out there don’t hate the TLM. Most don’t know it exist. Those who do know about it are so young, 40-50s, that they can’t relate to it since they have never experienced it, or they are so old that they don’t want to go back. A very small minority of people really want to attend the TLM on a regular basis and should have that opportunity. But the other 99.99% don’t hate it, they just can’t relate to it. I know that I could attend a TLM, or serve at one and still remember all the Latin responses and liturgical movements, the result of twelve years as an acolyte. But, I don’t want to go back, I want to go forward. That doesn’t mean I hate it. My 50 year old kids have never seen a TLM and wouldn’t understand why some people want to go to it, but they don’t hate it. It just isn’t relevant to them. So, let’s get of the “HATE” myth.
Once again, the Novus Ordo is no more “man made” than the TLM, and it is not a dinner service. It is the Holy Eucharist, where Christ becomes present for us in body and blood, soul and divinity. You speak with great disrespect for the sacred mysteries when you essentially issue a call to kick Jesus out the window for good.
YFC, do the research then get back to posting about how the Novus Ordo came about.
I have dear. Besides which, it does not matter the history. It is the law of worship in our Church, legitimately promulgated by a legitimate Pope at the behest of a solemn ecumenical council of all the Bishops of the Church.
Your resorting to ‘dear’ when angered is a real turn off to on-topic discussion, YFC, and is rather too effeminate as is the ‘claws out’ commentary. That said, your ‘research’ has led you state on other threads that your promotion of homosexual sexual relationships, adoption etc, is a ‘small’ matter. This is precisely why your research in the area of that which is Catholic is either ill proscribed, misled, or intentionally skewed to that which will lead souls to hell. No matter which ‘Holy Pontiff’ you seek to cloak yourself behind.
Begone or be honest.
You see, even this mild comment awaits “moderation”, while Catherine routinely disregards the 250-word limit by putting “continued” at the end of her post, and then goes on to write four more pages. But no “moderation” necessary there, oh, no! After all, she’s exposing all the “Modernists”! “Modernism” was a REAL heresy condemned by the Church. I’d bet 100 to 1 that Catherine could not describe its major errors.
READ THIS FAST! IT’S GOING TO ME MODERATED!
It came about when Blessed Paul VI promulgated it as a valid form of the Mass, in his role as Supreme Pastor of the Catholic Church. So stay in schism in your SSPX church, you who have (hilariously) written that you have the “TRUTH” and have been commissioned by God Himself to proclaim it. Directly imbued superior knowledge of the Divine, huh? Why, you’re not only a Levebrite schismatic but a heretical Gnostic as well.
The above comment was intended for Ann Malley.
It is the sin of sacrilege.
Now maybe Ann Malley can tell us what happened at the turn of the century that led to liturgical reform (and no, it did not start with the Protestants or Vatican II?
Because she of course has researched this.
Now maybe mous can get on with being honest about how the Catholic Church is not the Church of the Pope of NOW, but rather an apostolic succession that is bound to convey that which the Church has always taught. So the ‘holy doctrinal differences’ that are in question are the very same that lead to the endless string of scandals against the Faith, that is what has been handed down. (Look to Peter, mous, who preached at Pentecost that which was to be done. That is still the mandate, mous, despite the shimmying and political-based redirects to play nicey nice.)
So go forth and follow the Catholic Church of now. That is your choice as God has given you free will. But He has also given us eyes to see and ears with which to hear. So when you indicate by your words, “That surely you are not saying that we are blind,” you will reap the results of said fidelity.
Even so, it is intriguing how now the promoters of schism of the heart are attacking even CCD in addition to Archbishop Lefebvre because their position smacks a hollow cord – or should I say, discord.
Ann Malley, there are millions of Catholics that don’t like the Church. There are millions of people who identify as Catholic who do not attend a Catholic Church. Apparently you are one of them, which is not really any of my business. You can go join an ashram. You have free will. But why do you have a sick need to come onto a Catholic website and speak your negative opinions of the Church? Do you do this with every Church, synagogue, mosque, temple that you don’t like? Why would you waste your life doing this? Of course I follow the Catholic Church. I’m Catholic.
And there are no holy doctrinal differences! I wonder why you think there is.
Obey the Church up to whatever year you think it went wrong and you will a holy person, a good person and probably a saint. And be virtuous enough to not attack the Church of now, like the Church of then teaches. Because it is blasphemy and sacrilege and you should confess it. And you should do a lot of Penance for it
Mous, your rampant blindness and ignorance are a blasphemy. Your sick need seems to be that of Judas, attempting from within to change the Truth to better suit the times…. so you were once correct in another post regarding the ‘Church’ not changing. But that, sir/ma’am, might not be what you are actually supporting with your misfired ire.
Pretend blindness and will be just that, pretense. And it is precisely the understanding of what was/is handed down in the deposit of Faith that leads me to my current position – something that cannot compute with you as blind following minus discernment seems to be your modus operandi.
God bless you just the same. And if you are so concerned over my soul, you may want to take what penance ‘you think’ I deserve upon yourself. In so doing you may come to some realizations yourself.
“Anonymous”: You are either willfully negligent, or just plain belligerent. Go ahead and be an apologist for the N.O., and for Vatican II implementation. And, you may get more and more of your way, as Francis and the Vatican Panzer Corps prepares to mow down centuries of Catholic doctrine on homosexual sex, adultery, Catholic marriage, all of that, in the name of, well, that is uncertain, but probably Latin American politics.
The main problem is that the Church does not teach the Faith and has not for decades. True Catholicism is demanding, very demanding. People will likely not try to follow the Catholic life if no one teaches it to them, if the Church itself says, “Nope, you don’t have to do this or that anymore” (as a prominent bishop said to a friend when he genuflected before taking communion — can you believe that??), and then criticizes the few who try to live a Catholic life (including clergy) that you are being “too Catholic” or are “praying too much” or other craziness. Yes, yes, look no further than the treatment of the poor Franciscan Friars/Sisters of the Immaculate (and the list of others is growing).
No one is arguing that the Church is not empowered to change its liturgy, but it is the purpose and method behind such changes that is the problem. Now, of course, the N.O. is mainline and bishops actively oppose anything else (even if the TLM is, and always was, perfectly legitimate).
Janek—- does “FSSP” stand for “Friendly Sons of Saint Patrick”? Don’t mean to be flippant, but there are so many Grand Inquisitors posting here, I thought I’d lighten things up a bit,
Theirs in Your Heart!!!!!!
if you notice, every comment I post is “awaiting moderation” by Dr. Goebbels, the Moderator. You see, I just can’t seem to toe the Lefebrite party line closely enough.
Theirs in Your Heart!!!!!! (The !!!!!!! are for Linda Marie!!!!!)
Every comment on this website must await moderation. That way we don’t get a ton of spam. Thanks for your comments.
And thank you, CCD, for moderating all of this and giving a venue for discussion.
Moderator: Thanks for the clarification. And thanks for allowing on this site views other than the condemnations of self-appointed prophets, seers and revelators and unhappy doomsayers, who alone have the TRUTH—-and would (literally) consign those not in agreement to Hell. PLEASE, PLEASE keep up what appears to a more even-handed approach as to what posts can appear. Thank you.
Moderator: Thanks for the clarification. And PLEASE, PLEASE continue what appears to me to be a more even-handed approach to deciding what can be posted here. Thank you.
Caritas, an apology to the moderator might be in order before hopping on the thank you bandwagon. You did, after all, call him/her Goebbels. Now your attempting to black-ball brand the term Lefebrite is another stretch for you know absolutely nothing of which you speak.
But I’m glad at least that the moderator is now off your radar for – gee – doing his/her job.
May I say that the hard working volunteer editors do an incredible amount of thankless work and I can’t believe what I just read…Goebbles, indeed?
The rudeness and unkindness seems really a bit extreme. I’ve got nothing but praise for our editors. I can’t imagine the hateful stuff they have to wade through. God bless and keep you editors and CCD.
Dana, I agree. I appreciate Caritas’ perspective, but maybe seems to be unclear about the whys and wherefores of the moderation process. If anything, I would prefer if there were more moderation, especially to weed out the very nasty personal remarks that often get posted. My one other beef with the moderation process is that posts are sometimes edited without our permission, which means that any one post might not be the actual words of the commentator. Fortunately that seems to be rare, and indeed, the moderators deserve our thanks and respect.
When I get edited, or a post doesn’t go through, I just assume it was the Lord’s will.
Dana, Can you imagine the hateful, condemnatory stuff we non-Lefebrites readers have to wade through, coming from the TLM-only crowd?
Theirs in Your Heart!!
Dana— Did you read my 10 Dec post @ 12:02 p.m. post before posting yours of the same date @ 12:20 p,m., which appears right after mine?
Still think yours was warranted?
Well, I used to be a book editor and some of the stuff I used to have to read made me want to pull my hair out and run screaming from the room. One can only imagine the patience it takes to do this. Thank your stars you were spared my speckle-flecked nutty on the ACLU in tact, for example. Yikes!
Dana, hats off to you having ventured into the slush piles of the editorial world and emerged alive… and with your sense of humor intact. Now that’s brave!
All I can say, caritas, is you’ve come to the right place…you’ve got the right ‘tude. heh heh Ann Malley, I only lasted a couple of years with that job so I don’t deserve any credit. Looking back however, I think a book could have come out of it…maybe taking two or three of the worst ones and interlacing their ridiculous plot lines with my falling into the midst of the action and changing the course of the story with my pen as my weapon…literally duking it out with dangling participles, unruly commas and the insidious nouns and adjectives made into verbs, such as ‘impacting’ something. shudder shudder. We can have an impact on something or have an impacted tooth, but we don’t impact something. We affect something. Take that you dastardly error. whack whack. The stories’ protagonists and antagonists then all come rushing up to me with sighs of gratitude and take up their specified characterizations with much zeal.
Caritas, regarding the posts at 12:02 and 12:20 – the timestamps, I believe, are the times the posts are submitted to the moderator. It is entirely possible – likely even – that your 12:02 post was not yet moderated, and therefore not seen by Dana when she posted at 12:20. The way moderation happens takes some time to get used to, so please keep that in mind. It is a little bit like those reporters on a long satellite delay and the oft comical conversation with the studio that happens.
Dana, with the popularity of Eats, Shoots, and Leaves and the dearth of anything remotely associated with serious English in the United States, I say GO FOR IT! Imagine! Teaching children and us adults about proper grammar by way of a fun, action adventure featuring Dana the Dangle Slayer and her side kick – hint, hint – Ann the Alliterater? Fighting crime where it counts, in the written word! And when all is written as it should be everything else follows suit, right? Of course, right!
Oh my gosh! I sense a live action series or, at the very least, a serialized cartoon strip. What say you?
Dana, perhaps you and I could agree on something: We should be allowed to edit our comments after we post them. I don’t know about you, but sometimes when I reread my own comments, I can’t believe the bad grammar and spelling that suddenly shows up! Of course, I was the one who put them there in the first place, and am embarrassed when I am stuck with them until Christ comes again. I wish I could be the one to correct them. What do you say? Can we ask for the ability to at least correct our own grammatical mistakes on CCD?
Haha..very amusing, Ann! But it might put a period to our existence, wink wink Ann the Alliterater is absolutely adorable…too bad you’re in CA…you could write and I’ll illustrate….sort of. Punctuation is so commaplace! And yes, YFC. We can finally agree! Discus has that capability and you’re so right…it seems like our glaring errors are so easy to miss before posting. It would really give those of us retentive, minutea and detailed oriented people some peace of mind. :)
So commaplace, indeed ;^) But what a wonderful wish what with such wordy, worldly wanderers waspishly warping what worshippers want ala “why”FC’s wheedling witticisms willfully intended to whack ‘w’octrine?
Okay, I’m for a check on that one.
Prayers all around :)
The stress in the Novus Ordo Mass is a banquet, a meal. The sacrificial nature is seriously downplayed. Just by reading the instructions in the Missal , the word ALTAR is replaced with the word TABLE. Sacrifice is replaced with meal, and the priest is called a minister. Instead of having the Mass divided into OFFERTORY, CONSECRATION and HOLY COMMUNION, you now have the Liturgy of the Word, and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Go see the film BEN HUR. The Rabbi says the prayer BLESSED ARE YOU LORD GOD OF ALL CREATION…This ancient Hebrew prayer is now the Catholic Offertory prayer. And, bread of life as well as spiritual drink can mean whatever you want it to mean. So this Novus Ordo is MAN MADE, by Archbishop Bugnini, a mason, whom Pope Paul VI demoted by moving him to Iran. Unlike the TLM which was around for over 1500 years, parts of the Novus Ordo were composed in Roman cafes. No joke: Father Louis Boyer wrote about this in his autobiography, as he was the one who wrote Eucharistic Prayer II. The Mass is supposed to be a sacrificial banquet, but the sacrificial part is ignored, so it is basically a dinner service, or a happy meal. Ave Maria Purrissima!
The TLM was not “around” for over 1500 years. Who are you kidding? It was seriously added to and amended many many times and there were very many different versions of the Mass until Trent, which enforced a single liturgy on most of the Western Church. And you entirely leave out the worship of the Eastern Churches. You pretend that somehow their mass is also somehow deficient.
I’m really tired of folks pretending to be faithful catholics who do not support the ordinary mass we celebrate every Sunday in our Church throughout the world, and the bishops and popes who promulgated it. If you want to be a heretical schismatic sect, go join SSPX. But please stop trash talking the Roman Catholic Church and her Latin Rite.
“…I’m really tired of folks pretending to be faithful catholics.”
Thank you heartily for the laugh riot inspired by this absurdity coming from you, YFC. And again, thank you for being honest in your representation of the utter confusion allowed by that which is pastoral to the extent of feminized, in the Church today. You illustrate with every posting the absolute dearth of strength within the ranks of the USCCB to preaching, teaching and upholding the actual Faith. And despite what you have been led to believe, the HISTORY does matter as we are to keep the Faith of our Fathers. That’s the whole point.
Actually, Eucharistic Prayer II is derived from an ancient Anaphora by Hippolytus.
You see, even this mild comment awaits “moderation”, while Catherine routinely disregards the 250-word limit by putting “continued” at the end of her post, and then goes on to write four more pages. But no “moderation” necessary there, oh, no! After all, she’s exposing all the “Modernists”! “Modernism” was a REAL heresy condemned by the Church. I’d bet 100 to 1 that Catherine could not describe its major errors.
READ THIS FAST! IT’S GOING TO ME MODERATED!
Apparently not enough moderation, caritas. Sit. Stay. Good doggie. A nice long walk seems to be in your future, caritas. :)
Dana– Now was your above post an example of the nice, polite, educated, and Christian response that you were urging me to emulate?
I certainly hope not.
In he post of 10 Dec @ 12:23 p.m., Dana lectured me to “Sit. Stay. Good little doggie.” The Moderator deleted the following from my reply post of the same date at 4:42 p.m., without disclosing that he did so: “How would you like it if I called you a feminine member of the same species.” Why? Dana called me a dog. I asked her if turnabout was fair play. My post was terse, not profane, to the point, not spam—-and much gentler than the meanness regularly dished out by the Janeks and Ann Malleys posting here. Doesn’t seem like even-handed “moderation” to me. Guess It depends on whose ox is being gored.
Of course THIS post may be deleted or censored—or is the word “moderated”?
Don’t take it personally…I’m sometimes a bit of a wag, caritas! God bless you!
CCC 1356 If from the beginning Christians have celebrated the Eucharist and in a form whose substance has not changed despite the great diversity of times and liturgies, it is because we know ourselves to be bound by the command the Lord gave on the eve of his Passion: “Do this in remembrance of me.”
1357 We carry out this command of the Lord by celebrating the memorial of his sacrifice. In so doing, we offer to the Father what he has himself given us: the gifts of his creation, bread and wine which, by the power of the Holy Spirit and by the words of Christ, have become the body and blood of Christ. Christ is thus really and mysteriously made present.
1358 We must therefore consider the Eucharist as:
– thanksgiving and praise to the Father;
– the sacrificial memorial of Christ and his Body;
– the presence of Christ by the power of his word and of his Spirit.
There is much more. Please read the Catechism.
You should really not believe stuff you read on the Internet.
Cardinal Burke spoke with Vatican Radio about reform of the Sacred Liturgy. “What happened after [the Second Vatican] Council was the reform was hijacked by the so-called ‘Spirit’ of the Council, which was not related directly at all to the actual texts of the Council Fathers,” he said. “And now we’re returning to those texts, which promote reform in continuity with the tradition.” He spoke of the efforts of the Blessed Pope Paul VI, of Pope Saint John Paul II, and of Pope-emeritus Benedict XVI to foster the work of authentic liturgical reform, an effort that continues in the pontificate of Pope Francis.
Cardinal Burke said, “the fact of the matter is that our communion with Christ, the substance of it, is the Sacred Liturgy, and in particular, the Holy Eucharist.” He continued, “Our Christian life, the heart of our Christian life, the foundation, is in that communion with our Lord Jesus Christ in His true Body and Blood through the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. At the same time, it is the highest expression of our Christian life, in that we unite ourselves to our Lord in His offering of His very being to the Father in sacrifice… There isn’t anything more beautiful, anything better that we do, than to give worship to God as He desires us to do, and gives us the discipline in the Church to do.”
My heart breaks for you. May you be given the grace to see the Lord and His plan for mankind. I do not judge you. I offer you only compassion.
The beauty of the Catholic Church
Eucharistic Prayer number 2 may have some overtones of and ideas from Hippolytus, but it WAS totally re written by Father Louis Boyer in a Roman trattoria. This was posted on angelqueen.org a month or so ago where Father Boyer points this out in a book he wrote before he died.
Father Bouyer!
And yes, it is making the rounds of those kinds of blogs. Angelqueen got it from roratecaeli who got it from adoremus. No one actually quotes the passage in the book.
Father, have you actually read the book? Can you confirm the story?
It’s the INTERNET, Father. Anyone can write anything.
And so what? If the Holy Spirit came to him in a restaurant, so what?
Either you believe that the Holy Spirit guides the Church and that the Holy Spirit of prayer has us say what He wills, or why would you even be Catholic?
Is there something in the Eucharistic Prayer II that you think is wrong?
Fr. Karl— You have no evidence other than the article you cite, regarding the origin of Eucharistic Prayer II. I’m waiting for you to allege that it was the work of DEMONS!
And yes, parts of the Tridentine have been around for 1500 years. Pope Gregory the Great was responsible for much of the TLM. It was the Council of Trent that codified the TLM as there were different ways of celebrating Mass depending on where the Mass was offered.
Parts of it, sure. Parts of the Paul VI mass date back equally long. In fact, parts of both date back to the Upper Room, of course!
“Your Fellow Catholic”: This is complete nonsense. Nothing in the N.O. harkens back to anywhere, except in the febrile mind of Msgr. Bugnini. His intent has been enormously covered by extensively literature, you really need to do some research. He wanted to make the Mass more welcoming to Protestants and did so. Too bad, as the TLM did, in fact, have elements of worship from the earliest Christian communities. That, too, is well documented.
Zombie-Liberals, knowing that their Man-Centered creation lacks any historical foundations, have spent decades trying to fashion such support, but without any success. Many lies are published, and they always lack research. Please come forward with your findings.
Yes and before the Upper Room. Our Father, Sanctus, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Old Testament and Psalms. There are still various rites in the Church. One is said in Aramaic. One was given by St. Thomas the Apostle. Always more to learn about the Catholic Church. All wonderful and fascinating,
The prayers at the foot of the altar in the EF are from the Hebrew scriptures.
We will not be silent any longer, the Novus Ordonarians have had their great experiment for the last 40 years and it was a total failure. Once again a dinner service cannot compete against The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass instituted by Our Lord himself.
I would believe Angelqueen and Rorate Caeli before I would believe what most liberals say regarding the Mass, Catholic doctrine and Catholic morality.
In her 10 Dec post @ 12:23 p.m., Dana wrote to me: “Sit. Stay. Good little doggie.” I responded in a 4:42 p.m. post (above) from which the Moderator deleted the following, without disclosing it: “How would you like it if I called you a feminine of the same species?” Dana calls me a dog; I asked about her feelings if the “compliment” were returned. What Guideline did the deleted sentence violate: it was on point, responsive, terse, and contained no profanity—-Ivory soap gentle compared to the vitriol posted with abandon here by the likes of Janek and Ann Malley. Why deleted? Could it be that what is deleted or censored—excuse me, “moderated”—- depends on the opinions of the one whose ox is being gored?
Of course, I realize that this post itself might be “moderated” out of existence!
I see that another blogger has joined the ranks of B1, YFC and the mean Anonymous