The following comes from an Aug. 29 posting by Anne Hendershott on Catholic World Report.
A popular t-shirt at New York City’s Gay Pride Parade this summer was yet another take on the “Who am I to judge?” shirt featuring Pope Francis’ famous phrase. This newest shirt features a saintly halo over the letter “o” with rainbow rays radiating from it. The product description for the shirt on Zazzle.com proclaims: “Celebrate the ever so slight progression toward acceptance of gays with this quote by Pope Francis.”
In some ways, the t-shirt is indeed accurate—one can of course be gay and still be saintly. As Father John Harvey, OSFS, the founder of Courage, often suggested, there is no reason that men and women who experience same-sex attraction cannot be saints. “It is for us, the men and women of Courage, to remain ever the faithful sons and daughters of Mother Church…belonging to Christ,” Father Harvey said.
The heart of Courage spirituality, based on the writings of Saint Francis de Sales and on the apostolate’s “Five Goals,” is a belief that “sanctity is possible in everyday life.” If this is what the halo over the t-shirt’s “Who am I to judge?” slogan is referring to, we should celebrate such a sentiment. None of us should be judging others in a way that effectively ends the possibility for sanctity in their lives. The Gospel warns that we should never be so final in our judgments of others that we refuse to leave open the possibility for sainthood for any of us—but, Jesus makes it clear that we are called to cultivate good judgment about good and evil. He chastised the Pharisees for neglecting “the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and fidelity” (Matthew 23:23).
The t-shirts at the Gay Pride Parade tell us to “stop judging,” but Jesus teaches us to cultivate good judgment about good to be done and evil to be avoided. At the same time, he also teaches us to avoid those judgments that marginalize others—banishing them to the sidelines without any hope of returning to God and his life-preserving way for their lives. In today’s culture, we are much more likely to be like the Pharisees in our avoidance of judging others. Criticizing same-sex behavior and same-sex marriage has become so politically incorrect that few are willing to defend the teachings of the Church in their public lives. This non-judgmental approach can result, even if unintentionally, in a neglect of “the weightier things of the law,” the law that Christ came, not to abolish, but to fulfill.
Still, there are courageous souls within the gay community who are willing to cross the boundaries and admit that the Church has something important to say. Letters to Christopher is authored by an anonymous blogger who is grateful for the Church and her teachings—and her call to chastity.
He describes himself as:
a forty-something single man, living in the Midwest, who lives with same-sex attraction. I believe in the saving grace of Jesus Christ, communicated lovingly through the teachings of the Catholic Church. Though the Church’s teachings go against the tide of public opinion on the subject of homosexuality, I have found great freedom through the universal call to chastity. As a middle-aged man, thinking back on my time as a teenager, I conceived of this blog as a means to reach teenagers who may be questioning their sexuality.
It has morphed from that original intention, and now serves as my online home where I blog about the Church and homosexuality. I think and believe that the true radicals today are Catholics, faithful to the teachings of the Church, and it is the message of the Church which brings freedom to all. I hope, in some small way, to bring some of the Church’s clarity to the subject of same-sex attraction through exploring my story and experience with both same-sex attraction, and the saving message of the Church. I can be reached at letterstochristopherblog@gmail.com
The Letters to Christopher blog is not a place where individuals are judged for the choices they are making in their lives. Rather, it is a place that celebrates the “true radicals” who understand that it is difficult to deal with same-sex attraction, yet it is still possible to be faithful to the teachings of the Church amid such difficulty. It is a place—like Courage—that understands that while none of us are perfect, we are all called to the saving message of Christ’s redeeming love. The golden halo on the “Who am I to judge?” t-shirts may be the perfect reminder for all of us.
This post was co-authored by Father Dan Pattee, TOR, chair of the Department of Theology at Franciscan University of Steubenville.
To read the original posting, click here.
With all due respect to Our Holy Father, if given the opporunity, I would bet he would of added………..WE CAN JUDGE ACTIONS!!!
Why wasn’t Pope Francis given the opportunity?
He did….
They have hijacked a quote, taking away the real meaning and deleting the rest of the whole quote, by adding their own intention, not what our Holy Father meant, so they are taking His words in vein, just like how the homosexuals try to do to Jesus as well. They even twist Jesus own words to justify homosexual agenda’s. They are evil and if they don’t repent, they will all pay for this misusing the words of our Holy Pope. His real words where for the homosexuals who repented and honored the church’s salvation actions to remain chaste, not what these evil people are doing.
This is what JESUS said:
1) “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” Jn 7:24
2) “….You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.” Lk 6:42
3) “For with the judgment you pronounce, you will be judged. ” “…You hypocrite,, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” Mt 7:5
Everyone needs to read a Catholic BIBLE, and the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition” to know the truth.
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Repent of your own sins, with a firm purpose of amendment not to commit those sins again.
If you love your Neighbor as commanded by JESUS, you will want him or her to get to Heaven (not Hell) for eternity. This is true love.
Admonishing sinners, Instructing the Ignorant, Counselling the doubtful are 3 of the Spiritual Works of Mercy.
Homosexual acts, fornication, adultery, purposely viewing pornography are all Mortal Sins.
Jesus never even mentioned homosexuals in the Bible.
jon, He didn’t need to. Homosexual activity was (is) an abomination /debauchery.
He did not need to say ‘Thou shall not kill’ either, since that was already covered. People were not stupid.
God did not make the anus for sexual activity.
Holy Scripture:
Gen: 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
Mac, Luke 10:25-28
25And one day an authority on the law stood up to put Jesus to the test. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?” 26What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” 27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’(Deuteronomy 6:5) And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ” 28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.” The passage in the book of Luke then continues with Jesus answering the question, “Who is my neighbor?”, by telling the parable of the Good Samaritan, indicating that “your neighbor” is anyone in need. This extends to all, including those who are generally considered hostile.
jon, GOD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexual depravity. Gen 19:1-29
How many times does GOD need to repeat the same thing before you listen to Him?
Do not be deaf to or tolerate Mortal Sin.
If you love your neighbors you will want them to get to Heaven, not go to Hell.
Also read: Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
Paul, S & G was not about homosexuals. Ignorance of this fact by you and others needs to stop. Stop using the bible and Jesus for your personal crutch to promote your homophobic miserable ways.
jon, can’t you read? When men want to ‘KNOW” other men in the Bible, and are told not to act so wickedly, and then were struck blind because of their wickedness, what do you think that means?
I suggest you read Gen 19:1-29.
Also note that the CCC paragraph #2357 on homosexual acts as being grave depravity and can never be approved – – – include
Gen 19:1-29 in the related footnotes.
You are the own who is in error.
He didn’t mention pedophilia, beastiality, and a host of other sexual abnormalities,either…why do you suppose Jesus didn’t mention the by name? Hint hint…check the Ten Commandments. He said He didn’t come to change the Law but to fulfill it. If we obey just the first commandment we would be fulfilling the rest!
Dana, There is 613 commandments. You will find that most all of them are not practiced by today’s Christians let alone by those of the Jewish Faith. BTW, The Constitution is the law of the land not the 613 Commandments.
The other ‘commandments’ you mention are restrictions, a little more serious than wearing white shoes after labor day, but not grave sins, which as anyone knows …there are ten. Actually, as I wrote before, there are really only two…love the Lord with all your heart and soul and your neighbor as yourself. If we only obey those two, we would be obedient to all others. You’ll have to admit that eating pork is not like killing someone.
The Torah refers to the Teaching of God revealed to the nation of Israel through the Prophet Moses. There are a total of 613 Commandments or mitzvot in the Torah/Five Books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy): according to the Rabbis there are 248 positive commandments and 365 that are negative. The following is a sample of the main points from Deuteronomy and Leviticus. priesthood, Temple, and sacrifice (about 1/3 of the total 613), The Rabbis understood that Seven Basic Categories (“Seven Laws of Noah”) of the Torah were of universal application, and were absolutely required of all humankind whether Jews or Gentiles:
The Ten Commandments do not mention homosexuality either.
He never mentioned incest and bestiality either.
Jon, read this by Cardinal George! Everyone should…it’s excellent.
https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22546
Neither did Christ mention incest or embezzlement but we all know they are both wrong…
Let those with same sex attraction live with chastity as best they can. We were all born with God’s gift of sex.
Same is true of sex all unmarried persons.
Mortal sins are not only homosexual acts, but fornication, and adultery as well.
I’ve not seen any adulterers’ parades lately, Paul …it’s the sin of pride that is keeping these people from seeing their sins…it’s always about pride and the inability to humble oneself and repent. They remind me of the stiff necked Jews in the Bible! Having to deal with the shame when society held homosexuality as a crime against God and society probably saved many of ssa from eternal damnation. As it is, they’re pulling down society along with them because they’ve convinced poorly catechized believers that it is normal and good.
Adultery parades: Mardi Gras, Halloween, St. Patrick’s Day, Carnival
The Constitution of the United States (1787-1788; 1st Ten Amendments “Bill of Rights” ratified 1791; no reference to any god is to be found in the body or in the amendments to the Constitution.
The senators and representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. (Article VI, Section 3, The Constitution of the United States.)
Does Jon realize what website he’s writing on? I have no idea what he’s talking about but it certainly doesn’t relate to “who am I to judge’! Actually, Jon, this is a Catholic website…you know, as in Nicene Creed, we profess, “We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church”? That means we believe what the Church teaches on faith and morals. There’s no debate …and anyone is free to leave if they can’t accept Church teaching. Ta Ta
Dana, You live in the United States of America under The Rule of Law, which is the Constitution of the United States. The law of our land. All religious and non-religious abide by The Rule of Law.
Jon, I hope I don’t come off sounding pretentious but I truly do feel that when I became Catholic I became part of a larger community…the communion of saints. It’s an eternal kingdom and I have a King and a Queen that I’m called to be obedient to first. I’m glad that this country was founded on religious principles and that our founding fathers were moral men who believe in religious freedom. The current regime, who is not moral, doesn’t feel compelled to obey the constitution and are finding myriad ways to circumvent its authority. Who do you obey? The current administration is forcing Catholics to pay for killing innocent babies. Is this being true to the Constitution? There is a higher authority that all are called into account…nothing or no one trumps Him, as Hitler and so many others have found to their eternal agony. Also, I apologize for being flippant earlier. I didn’t mean ta ta. I should have said, Vaya con Dios.
Dana, Do you even have a clue to how and when abortion became a federal law. President Obama was around 12 years old. It all started in Dallas Texas and ended up in the Supreme Court. FYI, and I didn’t realize this for many years. President Reagen was and is the only President that has ever signed an abortion bill into law, and that happened when he was Governor of California. President George W. Bush had the majority in the House and Senate at one time in his administration and didn’t even consider overturning Roe V. Wade. The reason you practice and live your faith without fear or prejudice is due to The Constitution of the United States. THE LAW OF THE LAND. Separation of religion and government is the reason that happens for you and the rest of us in this Country. Many have died to preserve that. Our founding fathers made it very clear that religion was separate from government. It is not that hard to understand if you actually read how the Constitution was written along with the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights. James Madison, the father of our Constitution, on separation of religion. and government
CA – the land of nuts and fruits.
The only the elected, but those who vote for these.
When gay men shamelessly parade about seeking validation in their homosexual union…we can judge!…we can judge this activity and lifestyle as gravely sinful! How many of these “gay” couples indulge in the perversion of sodomy and on a weekly basis get in line to receive Holy Communion? Now this shameful, mortal sin is compounded with the new mortal sin of SACRILEGE…by receiving Holy Communion whilst engaged in sodomy with a same sex partner! God will not be mocked…
AMEN to that Devout. Excellent convictions you have there. God bless you!
. Jefferson, who as a careful historian had made a study of the origin of the maxim [that the common law is inextricably linked with Christianity], challenged such an assertion. He noted that “the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or that such a character existed …. What a conspiracy this, between Church and State.” (Leo Pfeffer, Religion, State, and the Burger Court, Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1984, p. 121.)
Jefferson was not and is not my God, Jon.
And by the way, Jefferson said that a Republic, and this IS a republic, could only be kept by a religious and moral people, otherwise it would decay from within.
DTC, Religion is not the law of the land. The US Constitution is. The Constitution was not founded on religion, (Christianity),.
. Jefferson, who as a careful historian had made a study of the origin of the maxim [that the common law is inextricably linked with Christianity], challenged such an assertion. He noted that “the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or that such a character existed …. What a conspiracy this, between Church and State.” (Leo Pfeffer, Religion, State, and the Burger Court, Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1984, p. 121.)
The Constitution was signed “In the year of Our Lord” (meaning Jesus Christ of course) by all the signers, so they must of practiced some form of Christianity, or they would have objected to that phrase.
Watch kirk cameron’s film “Monumental In Search of America’s treasure. ”
Yes its a protestant point of view but it does shed many FACTS on how this country was formed by Christian views, which are our beautiful Catholic views on values.
Despite the secular nature of our national government, there is one unambiguous reference to Christ in the Constitution. Article VII dates the Constitution in “the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.” But what does this mean for the principle of religious liberty? The answer is: nothing. Our dating system is an historical artifact of Western culture, and has no legal significance or implications for the meaning of the Constitution or the First Amendment.
US CONSTITUTION:
Amendment I.
” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;
or the right of the people to peaceably assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ”
DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE July 4, 1776.
” When in the course of human events ….. the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them….”
“… We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…..”
Robert Lopez is the product of a SSAD (two Womyn ‘mothers’) Household.
The Release from Prison of ‘Happy’ Icon / Racist Pederast Rapist Larry Brinkin
(San Francisco’s Gay Icon Larry Brinkin Guilty of Felony Child Porn Possession:
https://cnsnews.com/node/757449
Makes this essay even more relevant:
“YES, GAY IS A CHOICE. GET OVER IT
https://barbwire.com/2014/09/03/yes-gay-choice-get/
…yet another individual working in higher education has been demolished for saying the wrong thing about homosexuality.
The basis on which to define people as “anti-gay” has, however, taken a turn to the absurd (and eerie).
Unlike Angela McCaskill, who was nearly fired from Gallaudet University for signing a petition on gay marriage, Crystal Dixon of the University of Toledo was fired for writing an editorial in a local newspaper… mentioned people who chose to leave the gay lifestyle.
To fire Dixon, one must accept that gay men cannot stop themselves… Nobody lacks the power to refrain from having gay sex.
Get. Over. It.
Dixon said that gays had the choice to leave the lifestyle… According to her detractors, such was tantamount to being anti-gay.
Her detractors are following the lead of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which lists “conversion therapy” as a hate crime…
Lastly, a lot of men came to the gay sex scene in order to engage in bondage and sadomasochism, because they were raped as boys.
The aftereffects of sexual assault, as we know from studying female rape victims, are complicated and often lead people to repeat or recreate the assault scene.
For those who missed Mass this weekend AND Particularly for those Resident Homosex Harpy Trolls – who constantly try to misinterpret the words of Pope Francis, the First Reading is of particularly relevance…
God Alone is Our Judge – but We are Responsible for Speaking the Truth to Others, even to those Trolls who try to mangle it in to political propaganda; let it be on their heads:
Ezekiel 33:7-9
‘Son of man I have appointed you as watchman for the House of Israel. When you hear a word from my mouth, warn them from me.
If I say to someone wicked, “Evil- doer, you are to die,” and you do not speak to warn the wicked person to renounce such ways, the wicked person will die for this guilt, but I shall hold you responsible for the death.
If, however, you do warn someone wicked to renounce such ways and repent, and that person does not repent, then the culprit will die for this guilt, but you yourself will have saved your life.”
Hmm…what would Jesus say?
Oh…maybe something like:
“Stop judging others, and you will not be judged. Stop criticizing others, or it will all come back on you.” (Luke 6:37)
It’s in that nice book we call THE BIBLE. :)
Anonymous, do not misquote Jesus.
1) Judge with right judgment. – JESUS Jn &:24.
2) Do not be a hypocrite – take the log out of your own eye BEFORE you take the splinter out of your brother’s eye, and you will be judged by the same measure as you use. Lk 6:42; and Mt 7:5.
If you do not believe in the DEMAND for FRATERNAL CORRECTION, you are not Catholic. CCC #1829; #1868
And you did not attend Sunday Mass yesterday. – Ex 33:7-9; Rom 13:8-10.
JAMES 4:11 — “Don’t speak evil against each other, my dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize each other and condemn each other, then you are criticizing and condemning God’s law.”
Some food for thought…
Condemning MORTAL SIN is a requirement of our Faith.
Jesus never told us to APPROVE, TOLERATE, or CONDONE mortal sin of any kind.
Your attempt to get us to approve homosexual acts on this site, Anonymous, will not work. You are wasting your time.
CCC: ” 1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
– by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
– by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
– by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
– by protecting evil-doers. “
When all else fails, go back to the basics.
Marriage wasn’t meant for Social Security, partnership, housing, companionship, pensions, vacations or anything else for that matter.
Marriage just “is” for the sake of having, and raising, children to love and honor God, and to hopefully be with him for eternity.
It’s not that difficult. If most people would just accept what is, life would be a lot easier.
Marriage is a Sacrament in the Church…outside of the Church, it is not a sacrament, merely a civil, secular union…gays who marry mock this Sacrament, the Church and God…I will reiterate…God will not be mocked…
There are people like Anonymous who do not understand Fraternal Correction which is required of each of us if we Love our Neighbor and want him to get the Heaven (not Hell) for eternity.
Fraternal correction is in the Bible and the CCC.
Here is an excellent Homily that explains required Fraternal Correction.
https://blog.adw.org/2014/09/the-call-to-fraternal-correction-a-homily-for-the-23rd-sunday-of-the-year/
Fraternal correction is what Anonymous is doing.
Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion–as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], … (“Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary,”
“Who am I to judge” – quit being lazy.
We have a requirement to call out sin as sin.
EVERYONE’s responsibility to educate themselves.
CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility.
This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.”
In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”
YOUR responsibility in the sins of others –
CCC: ” 1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
– by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
– by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
– by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
– by protecting evil-doers. ”
I don’t intend to go to Hell for lack of judging sin, and assisting others know they truth and where they can find the official truth. – Bible and CCC.
The government has leverage on religious groups because of the tax-exemption privilege. Church leaders, eager for the church to be free to be the church, should ask for the removal of this privilege. If there were no tax privilege for religious groups, hucksters and people who are using religion as a cover for political movements would be discouraged. (William Stringfellow, lawyer and lay theologian, as quoted in the Dallas Times Herald, December 9, 1978, p. A-27, according to Alan F. Pater and Jason R. Pater, compilers and editors, What They Said in 1978: The Yearbook of Spoken Opinion, Beverly Hills, CA: Monitor Book Co., 1979, p. 447.)
jon, you are trying to get us to approve of your chosen homosexual lifestyle, which we will never do.
Nor will we approve of the lifestyle of fornication, or adultery, or polygamy.
They are all the same – mortal sins.
Keep your chosen lifestyle in the privacy of your own home.
On matters of faith and morals, we turn to Holy Mother Church…not T. Jefferson, Sam Adams, Alexander Hamilton, the Magna Carta, or the Canto’s of Ezra Pound… we turn to Holy Mother Church, which is guided by the Holy Spirit…not a gaggle of elected officials, who support abortion on demand, planned parenthood and “gay marriage”…wonder how T. Jefferson would have viewed sodomites marrying under the letter of the Constitution?…probably would have been quite a shock to his sensibilties…
“wonder how T. Jefferson would have viewed sodomites marrying under the letter of the Constitution?…probably would have been quite a shock to his sensibilities…”
Devout Traditional Catholic,
Thank you for your excellent Traditional Catholic sensibilities!
“For every one pupil who needs to be guarded against a weak excess of sensibility there are three who need to be awakened from the slumber of cold vulgarity. The task of the modern educator is not to cut down jungles but to irrigate deserts. The right defence against false sentiments is to inculcate just sentiments. By starving the sensibility of our pupils we only make them easier prey to the propagandist when he comes. For famished nature will be avenged and a hard heart is no infallible protection against a soft head.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
“A great many of those who ‘debunk’ traditional…values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
CTC & C, ……First, this Court has decisively settled that the First Amendment’s mandate that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” has been made wholly applicable to the States by the Fourteenth Amendment…. Second, this Court has rejected unequivocally the contention that the Establishment Clause forbids only governmental preference of one religion over another. (Justice Tom C. Clark, majority opinion, U. S. Supreme Court, School District of Abington Township v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963), as quoted in Robert S. Alley, ed., The Supreme Court on Church and State, New York: Oxford University Press, 1988, pp. 210-211.)
When the people of most States voted against homosexual marriage, State Courts and Federal Courts overturned the laws passed by the people.
A homosexual judge in CA should have recused himself.
No judiciary should write laws from the bench. This violates both federal and state laws.
Catholics are often accused of a variety of mis-everything (conduct, interpretation…, which is actually appropriate, given he Universality of the Faith. One view is that by use of the Sunday Missal that we are doing a ‘Cliff Notes’ (highly condensed college ‘study guide’) to the Bible.
However – the Readings & Gospel are actually Planned with considerable care, including generally three parts (depending on Church Season), which quote the Old Testament (i.e. – Ezekial), New Testament and Gospel – so as to show a connectedness with the Teachings / Law of Israel and the Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth.
Hence – while some ‘anonymous’ source may Troll for unwary with a Quote…
– Other than the Correct Gospel Quote that was meant to Put a Point on the Lesson that had been built by the Readings so far – which had been Proclaimed to the Congregation in line with the Missal and normal Order of the Mass – for all to follow and participate in learning from.
Here is the Quote from 9/7/14 as per the Missal and Mass I attended:
Gospel, Matthew 18:15-20
15 ‘If your brother does something wrong, go and have it out with him alone, between your two selves. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother.
16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you: whatever the misdemeanour, the evidence of two or three witnesses is required to sustain the charge.
17 But if he refuses to listen to these, report it to the community; and if he refuses to listen to the community, treat him like a gentile or a tax collector.
18 ‘In truth I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19 ‘In truth I tell you once again, if two of you on earth agree to ask anything at all, it will be granted to you by my Father in heaven.
20 For where two or three meet in my name, I am there among them.’
A civil ruler dabbling in religion is as reprehensible as a clergyman dabbling in politics. Both render themselves odious as well as ridiculous. (James Cardinal Gibbons, 1834-1921, second American to be made a Catholic cardinal, in Faith of Our Fathers, 1877. From Gorton Carruth and Eugene Ehrlich, eds., The Harper Book of American Quotations, New York: Harper & Row, 1988, p. 487.)
jon, you can quote whatever you want but we will never approve of your sinful chosen lifestyle.
You are wasting your time.
Why is our approval so important to you?
Mind your own business, and if you choose Hell that is up to you. No one is stopping you.
Betty, Your religious opinion is yours. I don’t have a problem with it. I’m not looking for your approval. I disagree 100% with you.
jon, you are on a Catholic web site. No one here agrees with you (except a few other homosexual trolls).
You might be happier on an homosexual web site.
jon, you are looking for our approval, or you would not waste your time writing on a Catholic web site, where you know that you can not win approval for mortal sin.
you may not be looking for her approval but you will need Christ’s when you close you eyes for the last time, and all the “tolerance” in the world will not help….
‘We have to judge acts’: Vatican’s Cardinal Burke dismantles ‘Who am I to judge?’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/we-have-to-judge-acts-vaticans-cardinal-burke-dismantles-who-am-i-to-judge?
Cardinal Raymond Burke, head of the Vatican’s highest court – the Apostolic Signatura – has given a lengthy televised interview in which he decisively rectifies the false notions about Pope Francis’ “Who am I to judge” quote that has been used frequently to suggest a change in Church teaching on the matter of homosexuality.
Host Thomas McKenna of Catholic Action Insight questioned Cardinal Burke about instances where people must make judgments in light of Pope Francis’ “Who am I to judge” phrase.
“We have to judge acts, we have to,” Cardinal Burke replied. “All day long we make judgments with regards to certain acts; this is what the natural law is: to choose good and to avoid evil.”
The Vatican cardinal added that while we can judge acts as gravely sinful we can’t say that a particular person is in grave sin, since “perhaps you are committing them without even knowing that they are gravely sinful, or perhaps you are committing them without fully consenting, who knows?”
“That kind of judgment is a part, but the acts themselves we have to judge, we couldn’t live a good and moral life otherwise,” he added.
McKenna followed up by noting that it would be wrong to interpret the pope’s phrase to indicate support for homosexual “marriage,” and Burke agreed.
The cardinal then addressed the hot button topic of tolerance and intolerance at the heart of the debate.
“I’m not intolerant of people of same-sex attraction,” he said. “I have great compassion for them and especially in our society today where many young people are led into the same-sex activity where they might not have been in the past because of complete relaxation of morals and a corruption.”
“I have great compassion for them but that compassion means that I want them to know the truth”.
As Judgment Goes – I trust that of Dr. Anthony Daniels (writing as Theodore Dalrymple) more than most – if only because his insights are so solidly grounded in facts he can easily defend – but most people never even encounter in the lamesteam media:
SEE
How I Rwanda What You Are by Theodore Dalrymple (August 2014)
If ever there were a competition for the most cynical remark ever made, I think François Mitterand’s at the beginning of genocide in Rwanda would stand a fair chance of winning. ‘In those countries down there,’ he is said to have said, ‘a genocide isn’t too important.’
I came across this uplifting sentiment in a book that I bought at the Shoah Memorial in Paris recently, Gêneurs de survivants! (Annoying Survivors!), by Dominique Celis, a half-Rwandan woman living in Belgium. There was an exhibition at the Memorial to mark the twentieth anniversary of the genocide, perhaps the most democratic of all Twentieth Century genocides, or at any rate the one with the greatest popular participation…
I had been reading the Black Book of Psychoanalysis, an uncompromising critique of Freud and his legacy.
Freud was no scientist; he was instead an unscrupulous charlatan, oscillating between wishful thinking and outright lying, an unscrupulous manipulator who owed his success not to the truth but to the emptiness of his theories, the founder of a religious sect rather than of a scientific discipline, a man avid for fame and fortune only too aware that he might not achieve them by more conventional means, and an incestuous adulterer to boot.
Moreover, his technique, if something as nebulous as psychoanalyisis can be called a technique, was of no greater therapeutic value than exorcism, although much more expensive and a great deal less fun – except for those who desired to talk endlessly about themselves and were willing to pay someone else to listen to them or at least pretend to listen to them…
I had a chance to catch up and read Jon’s bizarre postings…he will not debate whether the Church teach’s that homosexual behavior is sinful…instead he quotes jurisprudence mumbo-jumbo that has nothing to do with whether or not this activity is sinful…abortion is legal Jon, the supreme court said so…it’s ALSO a MORTAL SIN and grounds for EXCOMMUNICATION!…on matters of faith and morals “we” are bound to follow the teaching of the Catholic Church, even if/when it conflicts with the reigning government and it’s lawful edicts…on matters of faith and morals ONLY the Catholic Church is equipped and vouchsafed to teach these truths…not even the supreme court can Jon…remember that chap on the other side of the pond named Henry VIII?…He played that same card Jon…unto the fate of his immortal soul…
DTC, Your religious opinion about gays is your opinion and is unconstitutional as law in our country. Gays have the right to equal justice under the law. Gays are fighting for equal rights. Gays are fighting for the same rights you have under the law of this land nothing more nothing less.
Lord have mercy. Your comments make me sad. Oh godless country that you have become! Return to God almighty! Fear for your salvation because if you should die, what do you think happens after this life??
There is no right to sodomy, haven’t you heard Jon.
I pray for you. Lord give us patience.
Jon take heart. Make friends with those who encourage you in the ways of the Lord, make friends who encourage you to attend meetings at Courage gatherings or any Christian groups that help homosexuals choose a chaste lifestyle. Real friends will seek to nurture your zeal on salvation issues. You are worthy of more than this cheap poor example of “pride” gatherings and parades. You are a beautiful soul, Jesus thinks so, that is why He shed His blood for your sins but one must first cooperate with His graces.
You have free will dear one, do not think that laws will get you to heaven, no, especially laws that defy God and His commandment of the natural law, they only lead to hell if no one cooperates with God’s salvation plan. Its your free will, I pray to Jesus that you choose Him,, even if its difficult to do so for some, but He is worth it. Fear Him, have nothing to do with man made laws and views that separate one from Him, who saves.
You can’t say you were never warned. You have free will.
Who do you love more? Jesus or your homosexuality? Your words and actions will tell all. I encourage you to get help if you choose away from God. I bless you in Jesus name. Amen
jon its not to late. Please take up your cross and walk with Christ. Please listen to my plea and to others…..join a Courage group or any support group that will help guide you to a chaste lifestyle and seek therapy from a source that honors and obeys God on the Natural law.
Anyone that helps you embrace sinful behaviors are not your friends.
We should all love homosexuals “Jesus way” and that is by encouraging them and supporting them to live a chaste lifestyle instructed by God’s guidelines and to seek therapy.
We should help and support organizations that help them lead a life of prayer to help them overcome their inclinations. This will help lead them to sanctifying grace. To fear the Lord. But the opponents are intimidating us and continue to do so with their well thought out tactics. They run the media, government agencies etc. I don’t say this to discourage anyone, but it is a reminder to all why we should not cave in to any of their false compassion tactics and their story telling of deception.
Right now this society is so hostile and so evil that they are helping homosexuals embrace their disorder away from God, they are helping them be lead astray and fall deeper in homosexuals sins, which we know can mean a lot of things. That is why I feel for the ones who are not activists but only caught up in the activists web of lies, due to their disorder, its easy for them to fall astray, often even making them activists, they recruit many activist daily. That is why with some of our church leadership is failing them too because of their lukewarm ways.
Homosexuals do not comprehend the severity complications of the choosing to embrace their inclinations. Why? Because God is left out and God is being defied often. So they often receive the wrong message. Plus they are of bad will, they go for what is easier to them. When the truth is there, the opponents twist the truth to continue to deceive. They persevere and do not give up. Also blame that to our current crises of moral relativism and false compassion.
Sexual temptations are a strong weakness in some, that they just don’t want to give up. Its an addiction. It takes over not only the body but also the mind, its a drink of poison and garbage which leads to lack of reason. But that does not excuse them, as we are all sinners, we can overcome our sins by choosing Christ. Some struggle but don’t the rest of the sinners who choose away from sin? So there is no excuse, but the deeper a homosexual is in his or hers “gayness” the more addictive it is and harder for them to abandon. That is why they need therapy, a prayerful life etc etc…they need to choose it on their own but how can they when society tells them not to choose a chaste lifestyle.
But how often you see well intended people give up? Much unfortunately. I don’t blame them because we lack unity to protect one another from the opponents, the opponents are very good at intimidation! They slander and destroy good people. Many of us feed into that too because we fall for their slander and gossip too. They want us to fight against each other, that is how they win too in this life. They must not see us fight against each other in public forums. At least try. We still need to admonish wrong doing of course, anywhere.
That is why we need to focus on Christ to not let them win over us or from speaking the truth in any way we can. That is why they do not listen to us, because they are well united and strong outside forces are pulling them in, sucking out every reasoning capabilities they may have and helping them to be enslaved in their sins even further. This society in general, does not encourage a virtuous lifestyle. The temptations are so great. That is why we must not cave in nor should we be silent.
That is why we must never find adoption by same sex couples acceptable either, they want in, once we cave in just a little, they force themselves in. We need to unite in the truth with fasting and prayer.
We get it Jon..we see exactly where you’re coming from and the next big bogus verbal war the homosexualist lobby is going to be carrying out…the threat of illegality and your sly innuendo that saying homosexuality is morally wrong and against God is not a legitimate argument as homosexuals are now absconding with the constitution to promote their totally illegal and immoral claims. The next phase will be that there’s nothing wrong with marrying your dog and that pedophilia is merely showing love to a child. You are truly a scary person and the people who share your views are like the article on feminism which I”m sure you won’t read. It exposes how you are all dupes of a communist/left wing takeover of our culture with no bullets fired. Yes, you and others are nothing more than pawns and I pity you, and I mean that. Whatever justification you have for believing what you do will not be enjoyed long if this country goes under.
Dana, I just got around to your recommended reading of Cardinal George’s rant on Gays. If you actually believe everything he said, then it’s easy to understand why you would be so upset with me and my comments. To say the least I do not agree with what he said. I have another problem with Cardinal George and it;s not about what he thinks about Gays……Here it is: Many Catholics were appalled to learn that Cardinal George worked to reduce the 20-year prison sentence of a convicted child molester, Norbert Maday. Others were infuriated by evidence of his repeated refusal to follow recommendations and promptly remove abusive Chicago priests from ministry.In his own words throughout the testimony, he often appeared deeply conflicted between his concern for children and his duty to defend accused priests. Even so, some who have advised the U.S. bishops on the scandal said the cardinal’s agreement to make his deposition public could prompt a significant shift in the church hierarchy’s thinking.
jon,
Do you understand that 2 wrongs do not make a right?
Do you understand that homosexual acts send Souls to Hell?
Why are you wasting your time (and posting space) on a Catholic web site?
Not true. Gays do not want equal rights. They want everyone to do things their way.
I don’t care what gays believe. Why do they care what I believe ?
I agree Sandra. They are good at fooling many by using the term “equal rights”
What you call rights…I call perversion!…the rights you seek are based on indulging in the perversion of sodomy…is that right Jon?…you want government perks and benefits, well you have that Jon…I, nor other like minded Catholics approve of sodomy and men who indulge in this revolting activity…they are in a state of mortal sin, an ignominious act so foul, that it “Cries to Heaven for vengeance”! Our nation sanction’s abortion on demand!…this is a gravely reprehensible act, that is grounds for excommunication and a free pass to Hades!…if the state of your immortal soul is of no consequence to you Jon, than perdition is what you will receive if you continue to remain a hardened sodomite…
One more thing Jon…better that I were unconstitutional than committing “sacrilege” and in a state of perpetual mortal sin, with Hell as my future residence…get my drift?
DTC, 14th Amendment
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This does not mean that people can do whatever they want.
I want welfare (money and food stamps and a housing allowance) from the government. I want equal treatment even though I don’t qualify under their discriminating law. With your thinking jon, everyone should be treated the same under all circumstances.
Two men or two women do not qualify for marriage.
They can purchase property together; name each other in wills etc. There is no need for them to pretend to be “married”.
Al, Gays can’t do anything they want anymore than you can. They want equal protection under the law just as you have.
This is a very small example of what you have and gay’s didn’t have. The move impacts how millions of Americans interact with the federal government, including bankruptcy cases, prison visitation rights, survivor benefits for police officers and firefighters killed on the job, and the legal right to refuse to testify to incriminate a spouse.
I guess it is unconstitutional to be denied marriage to poultry, livestock, trained chimps or seeing eye dogs according to Jon’s interpretation of the xiv amendment…it would be a denying me the freedom of “life and liberty” to marry beasts of the field if I so desired…Jon’s thinking is diseased an is his interpretation of the Constitution…
Devout yes it seems that is what jon is interpreting…its what that disorder reasons with…sad isn’t it.
DTC, This is exactly why the founders insisted that the Constitution would have a separation of religion and government.
Jon nobody on a Catholic blog will ever champion the behavior of homosexual activity…EVER!…We all realize the government endorses abortion and homosexual activity, even gay marriage… it is still gravely sinful and grounds for excommunication and hell!…As a Catholic I am bound to disapprove of and reject abortion on demand…regardless of whether or not the government sanctions this activity…many politicians will roast in hell because they chose to endorse these laws, that are not only unholy, but are an outgrowth of the demonic…you can spout all the jurisprudence mumbo-jumbo you want, remember…as long as a person remains a hardened, recalcitrant sodomite, they have hell to look forward to…Whilst in Hell, these abortionists doctors and sodomites can quote the XIV amendment to satan and his mocking minions…as they suffer eternally, because the “will” was weak…even if the intellect was not…
Great post Devout Traditional Catholic!
jon, your posts are full of error. No, the Constitution did not insist on separation of Church and State.
The Constitution states that the government should not interfere with religious freedom, or set up a religion themselves.
A,C., Being Gay is not a disorder. Why would you continue to perpetuate this lie.
Sodomites are in a state of mortal sin Jon…this is a fact, without equivocation…those, who through legal machinations promote and endorse abortion and the “gay” agenda will answer…God will not be mocked Jon…
Jon, reproductive organs are rightfully ordered to reproductive acts. Using them in another fashion would be inherently disordered usage. To say as much is not lying.
A.M., Your explanation is flawed and ridiculous, Being Gay is not a disorder.
Flawed how, Jon? Your assurance of anything being ridiculous is no assurance whatever. Reproductive organs *are* for the purpose of reproduction. Sex is primarily for reproduction, much like eating is for nourishing the body.
Fr. Hardon Archives – Catholic Catechism on Homosexuality
https://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Chastity/Chastity_014.htm
60. Are heavy pressures brought on the Church to approve homosexuality?
“Indeed, these pressures are so strong that even Catholics are arguing in favor of homosexuality. It is the materialism in the modern world which is behind this pressure. In effect, the materialistic ideology denies that the human person is no mere animal. Human persons are made for a heavenly destiny which they must earn by their practice of divinely prescribed. Moreover, they have a supernatural vocation to life in God’s friendship here on earth and enjoy His beatific vision in eternity (HP8).
61. What is the basic argument of those within the Church who argue in favor of homosexuality?
Their basic argument is that some people have a homosexual condition, which they claim is not disordered. At root, those defending homosexuality reflect a materialistic ideology which denies both the transcendent nature of the human person, as well as the supernatural vocation of every individual (HP8).
continued……
continued from September 12, 2014 at 6:25
Fr. Hardon Archives – Catholic Catechism on Homosexuality
https://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Chastity/Chastity_014.htm
68. How do professed Catholics further promote the practice of homosexuality?
“They do so by receiving support from priests, even bishops, and from religious men and women.”
69. What is at the heart of the strategy of the promoters of homosexuality among Catholics?
In one word, the heart of this strategy is GRADUALISM. It is assumed that homosexuality will not soon be approved by all Catholics, and still less soon by Catholic Church authority. The following quotation is lengthy, but it deserves to be quoted in full. Publicly stated by the chairman of the Department of Moral Theology at the Catholic University of Louvain, it clearly expresses the gradualist strategy for the Church’s acceptance of sodomy.”
continued from September 12, 2014 at 6:32 pm
Quote publicly stated by the chairman of the Department of Moral Theology at the Catholic University of Louvain,
“Is the teaching going to continue to evolve? With respect to the homosexual relationship, will it evolve toward encompassing it? Yes, it will! We have already taken the first step. Begrudgingly as we might like to admit, even the teaching of the Church has recognized the homosexual person, the homosexual orientation. It may be very uncomfortable with its own statements, but it’s there! The homosexual person is a person and no less of a person than anyone else. This is the first step.
The second step is the recognition of the homosexual relationship. I think we are virtually on the edge of accepting the homosexual relationship. The Church will accept the homosexual relationship, like those divorced and remarried: We must live as brother and sister or brother and brother and sister and sister as the case may be… [The audience laughs.] What is important is that the relationship be recognized as a valuable, fruitful, meaningful, affirmative, creative relationship. We are on the verge of accepting this.”
“The third step is: Can we accept the homosexual act? Before we can talk about the morality of the homosexual act, we have to define it, to understand exactly what it is…. Our whole understanding of human sexuality needs to be rewritten, but rewritten not from a “procreative or reproductive” point of view. It needs to be rewritten from a ‘relational’ point of view” (The Meanings of Human Sexuality, New Ways Ministry, Fourth National Symposium).”
New Ways Ministry has no approval or recognition from the Catholic Church and they cannot speak on behalf of the Catholic faithful but it is still very obvious that their evil strategy infiltrated the Church and this strategy is still being supported by those who pretend to be in “full communion” with Rome.
Fr. Hardon Archives – Catholic Catechism on Homosexuality
https://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Chastity/Chastity_014.htm
72. What is the most recent and authoritative defense of homosexuality by professed Catholic members of the hierarchy?
It was part of a conference given in Pittsburgh in the winter of 1997. Again, the quotation is lengthy, but is worth giving in full.
“The most important thing that we can do in our pastoral care is to create a church community where gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered people can be truly open about who they are…. I think it is very, very important that they experience a warmth and oneness within the Church to allow them to share their gifts with our Church…. I encourage this because I hope that within our Church, every gay person, every lesbian person, every bisexual or transgendered person will come out, because that is how our Church is going to truly change: when everyone who from this community of homosexual people is courageous enough, because it does take courage to come out….
“I would say this especially to bishops and priests within our Church. I cannot tell you the number of letters I have received in the last few years from priests who say they are gay, but are afraid to come out. What a loss this is to our Church! Because if they were willing to stand up on a Sunday morning in front of their community and to say who they really are, our Church could much more fully and quickly appreciate the gifts that homosexuals can bring to the whole community of our Church and to our society as well….
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continued from September 12, 2014 at 9:38 pm
“As more and more people come out, more families are changed, more churches are changed, more parishes are changed, and our whole Church is changed. And so I appeal here publicly to all of us within the Church to create a community in which this can happen. But then, for those who are gay or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered, please come forward. Say who you are, be proud of who you are, and share all of your gifts with the Church” (Pastoral Care of Lesbian and Gay People, New Ways Ministry, Fourth National Symposium).
One of our resident trolls also just made the same comment “it takes courage to come out” This is why it is so troubling that Cardinal Dolan said Bravo “Good for him,” Cardinal Dolan also said. “I would have no sense of judgment on him. God bless ya.”
He added that “the same Bible that tells us, that teaches us about the virtues of chastity and the virtue of fidelity and marriage also tells us not to judge people. So, I would say, ‘Bravo.’”
“The cardinal’s reaction was more exuberant than that of Michael Sam Sr., the player’s father, who told the New York Times about his son’s coming out, “I don’t want my grandkids raised in that kind of environment.”
NEW YORK CITY, March 10, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Archdiocese of New York has told LifeSiteNews that Cardinal Timothy Dolan’s decision to *congratulate a homosexual football player for coming out of the closet* did not mean the cardinal was unconcerned about Church teaching on homosexual activity.”
Why then is Cardinal Dolan following the encouraged strategy of New Ways Ministry by praising and saying Bravo to Michael Sam for “coming out” ? Michael Sam Sr. defended the truth more than Cardinal Dolan. Wake up and smell the GRADUALISM at work!
Seven years after New Ways Ministry’s 1977 founding, Cardinal James Hickey barred the organization from the Archdiocese of Washington because of its dissent from Catholic teaching.[4] In 1984, the Vatican ordered co-founders Fr. Nugent and Sr. Gramick to resign from New Ways Ministry. Both continued publishing, speaking, and ministering around gay and lesbian issues within the Catholic Church until 1999.
In 1999, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then under the leadership of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, condemned the organization’s positions on homosexuality,[4] and ordered co-founders Sr. Gramick and Fr. Nugent to cease pastoral ministry within the gay and lesbian community. Fr. Nugent returned to parish-based ministry, but Sr. Gramick refused to comply.
In 2000, in response to Gramick’s teaching that homosexuality is a legitimate “alternative” lifestyle, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith noted the “grave doctrinal error” in her work and declared that she should no longer be engaged in pastoral work with homosexuals,since her teachings “[had] caused confusion among the Catholic people and… harmed the community of the Church.”
The president of the U.S. bishops’ conference, Bishop Joseph Fiorenza of Galveston-Houston, had issued a lengthy statement responding to “concerns expressed, mostly by religious men and women as well as members of the laity” about the notification. In it, Bishop Fiorenza addressed the conscience issue, stating, “It is not an invasion of conscience for the Church to ask those who minister in her name about their adherence to Church teaching.”
Gramick’s own religious order – the School Sisters of Notre Dame – asked her to stop speaking publicly on homosexuality. Sister Gramick made her intention to disobey the Church clear, stating, “I choose not to collaborate in my own oppression by restricting a basic human right [to speak]. To me this is a matter of conscience.” She transferred from the School Sisters of Notre Dame to the Sisters of Loretto at this time, who supported her continued ministry around LGBT issues.
In 2010, Cardinal Francis George, Archbishop of Chicago and President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), stated that the New Ways Ministry for homosexual Catholics does not present an authentic view of Catholic teaching. Rather, it confuses the faithful about the Church’s efforts to defend traditional marriage and to minister to homosexual persons.[5]
different Anony, Unfortunately I have other problems with Bishop Fiorenza: In the late 1970s and early 1980s, as bishop of San Angelo in West Texas, he employed a priest who’d been forced from three other dioceses because of molestation accusations. Bishop Fiorenza wrote in a 1982 letter that he knew of the Rev. David Holley’s “past difficulties” and stated: “With our shortage of priests, I am willing to risk incardinating him” – formally making him a priest of the Diocese of San Angelo. In 1997, when The Dallas Morning News obtained that letter and the rest of Father Holley’s personnel file, Bishop Fiorenza refused interview requests. He recently told The Houston Chronicle, through a spokesman, that he hadn’t known about the priest’s pedophilia when he employed him and that the “past difficulties” reference was to “poor people skills.” …..there is much more.
jon, Homosexual acts are perversions, and disgusting.
Being homosexual is a mental disorder.
Yes, homosexuals can control themselves not to have sex – if they so choose.
Seth, to your dismay. Being Gay is not a mental disorder, period.
jon you are no different than the other homosexuals that post here, they have been told the truth. Please don’t be like most of them, you are not deaf or unable to reason. You can reason. Well its been said many times, in many ways, the truth. People here are kind enough to warn you.
You have free will, now the responsibility is on you. Take this opportunity that God gives you so freely, to choose Him and cooperate with His graces.
If you ignore the truth, then all we can do here is pray. If you reject those graces that come from our prayers, then they will not go in vein because they will go to another who is of good will. Its that simple. The Lord is merciful.
God bless you and may you choose well.
These pearls we share with you are truths from our beautiful Catholic church. Don’t be like the swine who throw those pearls away. Often times, most sinners choose fake pearls instead of the real ones. They lack trust in our Beloved Jesus. You have nothing to lose jon. So choose wisely.
AC, Whatever gave you the idea I was Gay. I have never said I was Gay.
You may not be gay…but your desire to stump for this perversion is very unsettling…you my friend may very well wind up with a millstone about your neck…remember this biblical admonition?
DTC, I don’t remember a Gay advocate millstone, but I do remember this one: whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jon not I
The maxim holds that if you lead others to sin, through advocacy and spreading the “false” belief that sodomy is OK and is not a sin, you may very well have a “millstone” hung about your neck, especially if you are in a position of leadership or authority…if ignorant people believe and trust what you say/teach, and it is diabolic…you most certainly will be held accountable…just like in Physics, “for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction”…God will not be mocked…you attempting to sanitize the foul act of sodomy, by claiming that the government supports it, “so now indulge”, is advocating and endorsing SIN…if a young gay man reads your posts and determines that what you taught is reasonable and not a sin, you most certainly will answer!…really Jon, are you that thick?
DTC, I’ve read all of jon’s posts and he does not say that sodomy is OK. He did not encourage anyone to indulge in it.
DTC, Gays are not subhuman or diabolical monsters as you suggest. They are not trying to conquer the world and take it over. Equal protection under the law for Gays is not unreasonable and our Constitutional process is working to make it happen. Your religious threats ( opinions ) are well taken as that is your belief(s) and not mine.
Just obsessed?
We knew you weren’t gay. They always do that.
You are not speaking the truth. Being a Gay person is not a disorder.
Nowhere does the Constitution endorse or advocate sodomy or men, marrying men, to satisfy their insatiable and unholy lust!….The founders of this great nation would cringe in horror to see this majestic directive for freedom and democracy perverted to conform to the misrepresentation of men who delight in buggery and mocking the holy sacrament of marriage between a man and a woman. Alluding to Franklin and Washington and the other authors of the Constitution, in order to promote a lifestyle that leads to “perdition’s flame”, is not only laughable at best, but demonic at worst. Remember Jon, this is not about the intellect…rather a matter of the “will”…
DTC, In 2003, the United States Supreme Court decided the case of Lawrence v. Texas, ruling, by a six-to-three margin, that anti-sodomy laws were unconstitutional.
The Catholic Church and Sacred Scripture define “sodomy” as gravely sinful, in fact, a “mortal sin”…furthermore it is a gateway activity that vectors the AIDS virus into humans…the human anus is an orifice used to expel body waste…it is not supposed to be used as a transmission site for pleasure…my goodness man, have a moment of spiritual clarity…sodomy is perversion…the degenerates who delight in this foul activity are contaminated both physically and spiritually, due to this abominable act…
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Twelve states still have ant-sodomy laws on the books, and are not looking to repeal them…regardless what a supreme court judge says…the Church determines what is defined as a sinful act…and it defines sodomy as a sinful act…an act so depraved, “it cries to heaven for vengeance”…in fact, 2 cities in the Old Testament were destroyed due to the depraved sexual proclivities of it’s denizens… it’s a little difficult to find a whole lot of good in this repugnant act…which is the primary vector for AIDS!
Sorry Jon…you are wrong…you continue to endorse a lifestyle that is gravely sinful…if not, why you posting?…we get it, abortion is legal and “gays” can marry…we get it…so what is your point Jon?…nobody here will say, gee, the supreme court says it’s ok for “gays” to marry, maybe it is alright”…NOT!…when “gays” get married, they obviously are intimate…sodomy is the only kind of intimacy they can indulge in…so let’s stop the nonsense, you and I Jon know the truth of the matter, as does everyone else…gay romance is gravely sinful, the Church defines this activity as a mortal sin and a “disordered” lifestyle…sorry Jon, you lose…
Yes, he does…the pollution he spreads is diabolic…
I never said “gays” were subhuman…I will say that anyone who advocates a “lifestyle”, that the Church has deemed as “DISORDERED” is most certainly diabolic…those who endorse a lifestyle that includes “sodomy” as a sexual outlet is indeed complicit in spreading diabolic information…the “gay” lifestyle is not congruent with our Catholic faith…men,who date men romantically is gravely sinful…a mortal sin in point of fact Jon…remember Jon, this is a matter of the “will”…
Pope Francis,” Who am I to judge.”
“Who am I to Judge” is the most misquoted statement in Sacred Scripture.
Why?
Because most Catholics and many others do not read the Bible passages in entirety.
What Jesus really said was take the log out of your own eye first,
so that you will see CLEARLY to take the splinter out of your brothers’ eye.
Read these in entirety –
Mt 7:1-5; Lk 6:37-42;
and
“Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment” – JESUS Jn 7:24
When someone misuses Jesus’s words about judging, one must wonder about the log in the mis-quoter’s eye.
‘If a gay person seeks God, who am I to judge him?’ says Pope Francis
To welcome first and worry about the rules later has been the cornerstone of Francis’s papacy from the beginning, starting back in 2013 when he lauded the theological teachings of German Cardinal Walter Kasper. When Francis gave his very first Angelus blessing to the enormous crowd assembled in Saint Peter’s square last year, he spoke off the cuff and called Kasper a “superb theologian.” Francis told the crowd that Kasper’s 2012 book Mercy inspired him. “But don’t think I’m advertising my cardinals’ books. That’s not it,” Francis said at the time, drawing laughter from the crowd. “Cardinal Kasper said that to feel mercy—this word changes everything. A little mercy makes the world less cold and more just.”
One more time. Luke 10:25-28
And one day an authority on the law stood up to put Jesus to the test. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to receive eternal life?” What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’(Deuteronomy 6:5) And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ” “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.” The passage in the book of Luke then continues with Jesus answering the question, “Who is my neighbor?”, by telling the parable of the Good Samaritan, indicating that “your neighbor” is anyone in need. This extends to all, including those who are generally considered hostile.