Charlotte, N.C., Sept. 5, 2012 (CNA/EWTN News) — For the first time in American history, a major U.S. political party has incorporated support for a redefinition of marriage into its official statement of beliefs.
The Democratic Party’s platform, formally adopted at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., on Sept. 4, supports “marriage equality,” a phrase used by those who wish to redefine marriage to include homosexual couples.
The platform, which outlines the party’s official views on a variety of subjects, called for the full repeal of the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act that defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman for federal purposes and protects states from being forced to recognize the gay unions of other states.
It also called for the passage of the so-called Respect for Marriage Act, which would require the federal government to recognize same-sex “marriages.”
While the document voiced support for the freedom of “churches and religious entities” to determine how “marriage as a religious sacrament” should be administered, it did not include any mention of individuals or groups that hold religious objections to recognizing and supporting civil marriage.
It also noted that the administration has redefined the word “family” in immigration regulations to include homosexual relationships.
Affirming its support of abortion with no restrictions, a redefinition of marriage and free birth control for all women, the Democratic Party said in its official statement of positions that it is committed to “pursuing policies that truly value families.”
The platform also recognized the importance of good fathers and noted President Obama’s initiatives to support and encourage fatherhood.
“We all have a stake in forging stronger bonds between fathers and their children,” it said.
The president has drawn criticism for acknowledging the irreplaceable role of fathers while at the same time undermining this important role by supporting “same-sex marriage,” which renders fathers unnecessary and optional.
The party voiced its support for the controversial federal mandate that requires employers to offer health care plans that include free contraception, sterilization and early abortion-inducing drugs, even if doing so violates their consciences.
Widely criticized for its infringement upon conscience rights and freedom of religion, the mandate has drawn the opposition of individuals and organizations from across the religious and political spectrum, including objections from bishops in every Catholic diocese in the U.S.
However, the Democratic Party’s official statement of beliefs argued that the president “has respected the principle of religious liberty” in promoting “affordable family planning services.”
The party reiterated its commitment to “safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay” and opposed any restrictions or attempts to “weaken or undermine that right.”
In addition, it observed that Obama issued an executive order to repeal restrictions on human embryonic stem cell research and voiced support for “evidence-based and age-appropriate sex education,” although it did not elaborate on which types of sex education it considers to meet these criteria.
The platform also said that America must advance its “core set of universal values” around the world.
“President Obama and the Democratic Party are committed to supporting family planning around the globe,” it said, highlighting the president’s decision to overturn the Mexico City Policy, which bans U.S. funds from supporting foreign family planning groups that promote or perform abortions.
Insisting that “gay rights are human rights,” the party also said that the State Department is currently “funding a program that finances gay rights organizations” and vowed to “actively combat” the actions of other nations that it believes are engaged in “discrimination.”
I will vote for R & R then.
What ever happened to the consummation between male and female (sexual intercourse) I may be wrong but I always thought that a marriage had to be consummated or else it would be annulled
A male and female give each other the Sacrament of marriage in the presence of a Minister.and sign the Register in front of a person by means equipped making it legal (civil marriage)
Since when has the Sacrament of marriage-which after all is a Christian act, come under the ruling of the secular Law.
Who is He Who instituted it in the beginning!
There must be an impediment to say it is not lawful in the eyes of God-therefore it can not be performed in a Christian Church. .
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If an elderly, widowed, male/female couple want to enter Holy Matrimony, and are unable to have sexual activity because of health or reasons of age, is this a valid marriage?
I believe the canon law is that if the parties are unable to have sexual intercourse (NOT unable to conceive and bear children) then they absolutely cannot ENTER into a marriage, because a valid marriage MUST be sexually consummated. As I understand it, that is an absolute requirement that cannot be done away with. On the other hand, if they are capable of intercourse but not of having children (in the case of the elderly), they MAY enter marriage. Of course people who married validly and consummated in their prime are still married even if they become impotent later in life.
I think it is a valid marriage. Certainly the Church marries a lot of people who are unable to conceive and bear children due to reasons of age and health. I don’t think priests usually press this issue with older couples. I don’t think it is actually anyone’s business.
I am afraid you are going to have to find the article in Canon Law that supports your claim that marriage cannot be entered into if there is no consumation. I do not believe that is correct.l
“Can. 1084 §1. Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature.” [Roman Catholic Code of Canon Law]
” Insisting that “gay rights are human rights,” the party also said that the State Department is currently “funding a program that finances gay rights organizations” and vowed to “actively combat” the actions of other nations that it believes are engaged in “discrimination.” ”
The 54% Catholics that voted for Potus O’Bama should be cheering this.Three cheers for the Saul Alinsky twins Barak and Hillary!!!!!!
The title of this article displays ignorance upon those who believe it….Real human rights are ones that honor the natural law and human dignity to adopt God’s plan for mankind from it’s original state, not from the lips of these modern ideologies. The lips I mean the ideologies that come out of man’s idea’s and mouths, “gay” is an agenda not a true makeup of the natural law.
Is it me, or do you think this country is “ripe” to be called Sodom & Gomorrah? If so, then is it “ripe” for the justice of Almighty God?…….may we be on our knee’s repenting and saying our rosary’s…..for the U.S. and the whole world.
This is one of the more disturbing articles I have ever read. The Democratic Party has put on the garment of darkness. May God’s permitting will give this country a President Romney and a Vice President Ryan.
Are they talking about those normal people that are truly Gay or are they talking about those that are NOT gay, but, are homosexual and how about all those rapists, child abusers, murderers, thieves, animal abusers, druggies, drug dealers, etc, don’t they also have special rights? GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!! +JMJ+
NO Catholic can vote for any politician who supports the DEMOCRATIC Platform – since it includes both ABORTION and GAY-MARRIAGE.
The DEMOCRATIC Platform contains the following:
The 2012 National Democratic Platform contains the following:
1) Pg 51 ” The Administration has said that the word ‘family’ in immigration includes LGBT relationships in order to protect bi-national families threated with deportation. ”
2) PG 52 ” Affordable Health Care act is ending health insurance discrimination to ……. contraception”
3) Pg 52 ” President Obama and Democrats will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers.
4) Pg 52 ” The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.
5) Pg 53 ” FREEDOM to MARRY” – “We support marriage equality and support the movement to secure equal treatment under the law for same sex couples.”
6) Pg 69 “President Obama and the Democratic Party are committed to supporting family planning around the globe….. That’s why in his first month in office, President Obama overturned the “global gag rule”, a band of federal funds to foreign family planning organizations that provided information about, counseling on, or offered abortions.”
7) Pg 69 “Gay Rights as Human Rights. …. gay rights are human rights……. And the State Department is funding a program that finances gay rights organizations…”
Call it what it is: “THE DEMONCRAT PARTY”!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Can’t wait to vote for Obama again!
Not surprised you favor a dictator, the Left always does…..
Well, Peter, if you want to put your soul in mortal danger, then I suppose that’s your prerogative.
peter but when you die and your salvation is at stake, who will vote to save you? It won’t be Obama, another Hitler if you ask me!
Who Do you love more? JESUS OR HOMOSEXUALITY!
peter, do you know yourself to be a slave of Jesus Christ or a slave to sin? Fast and Pray! The rosary is most powerful.
People always say, but my parents and grandparents were Democrats! Yes, as were mine but, the Democrats of 40 and 50 years ago are not the Democrats of today, JFK would have been considered a conservative by today’s standards. These new Democrats are outright Socialists, Communists, and Marxists. They hate America, Christianity, Judaism but love Islam, which is odd since Islam is a most intolerant faith which hates women, gays, movies, rock music, abortion. This is a party of death not your parents and grandparents party. They worship at the altar of Planned Parenthood and NOW, I for the life of me cannot understand their love of killing innocent babies?? This president is not a good man as we are all told,he is not!!! This regime has to be voted out in November or our country will never recover from this Communist anti-God nightmare.
Janek: You say, “These new Democrats are outright Socialists, Communists, and Marxists. They hate America, Christianity, Judaism…. Humm. I am a new Democrat and I am neither a Socialist, Communist nor Marxist. And I don’t hate America, Christianity or Judaism…. Hey! Where are you comig from?
As a former Democrat Officer, I can easily state that all the negatives pointed out here on this site and more are TRUE!
No, you are a delusionist!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Janek is coming from the last 50 or more years of history. Democrats are a criminal organization.
Caroline Kennedy calls herself a Catholic and yet promotes abortion and birth control. If she fully understood what being a Catholic entailed, she would know you can’t believe in one and do the other. You can call yourself a democrat and say you’re not a socialist, etc. but if you would bother to read the platform of your party you might find that that is exactly what you are..a socialist. Don’t delude yourself. If you’ve voting for a democrat, you’re voting for the whole enchilada.
Sin has no rights….
Then we would all be jailed for life.
Adolfo sin has no rights but there is the human dignity and man created in the image of God, we must discern, stand ground on moral issues, we must be like minded in Christ, do what is good for mankind in Christ, common ground and common decency! So sin has no rights because it is a slave to it’s fleshly ways but mankind has free will and he can choose freely…..but what we choose to do will affect not just one self but others as well. We will be accountable if we have voted without a formed conscience, our children will be scandalized due to man’s sins. Choose good over evil!
I said sin has no rights…not sinners….. big difference
“Gay rights are human rights”
homosexual people are human beings?
with rights?
who would have thunk?
JLS told me, infalllibly, they should all be thrown into prison…
JLS is Correct….
max, the God given dignity they have as people is very distinct from the civil rights they are trying to exert in society because they have same sex attraction.
Well, Max as things are turning out, more people are accepting gay people as human beings who deserve equal rights and less people think they should all be thrown into prison.
PA you are not changing anyone’s mind, why do you bother coming here
You can believe that PA if you like, but most of us are not….
More than 2/3rds of the DNC delegates wanted to omit “God” and Jerusalem from their platform. And all of them believe in murdering babies. Many of these delegates call themselves “Catholic”. Why would we be surprised that they believe that something so “disordered” as same-sex marriage is OK? God help us.
The democratic party is truly the party of death and has fully embraced the culture of death. There will be no protection for Catholic or any other faiths for that matter who do not want to pay for abortions, abortion inducing drugs or sterilization. What about people like the photographer who was sued for refusing to photograph a gay so-called marriage? All Americans will suffer because of this hatred for life, this hatred of the Lord and complete denial of natural law. These are not just political issues, but profoundly moral issues that anyone who disagrees will be attacked and suffer if Obama is re-elected. This has Marx written all over it. I hope and pray that we get some sense between now and the election and elect pro-life, pro-family and pro-value candidates. God Love You.
NOW, THAT’S WHY I’M A DEMOCRAT, EQUALITY FOR ALL THAT IS WHAT THE REAL AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT. NOT ONE THING WRONG WITH. CIVIL MARRIAGE!! GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. VOTE!!!
Oh, he is blessing the United States all right — with massive STDs. We will be broke before we find all the cures — and many will be dead before that time.
A correction: It is “Satan” that is “blessing” the United States with STDs by people breaking God’s laws.
Edward Miles – No Christian faith believes in the promotion of SODOMY through Gay-Marriage. Neither does the religion of any good Jew or good Muslim.
Thomas Edward Miles – I suppose you think its OK to have a civil marriage between more than two partners, and between a person and an animal as well under the guise of equality.
God will not bless those who promote Sodomy and break God’s law reqarding Marriage – one man and one woman.
Read any Bible,
Thomas Edward Miles: So, you advocate the killing of unborn babies, violating religious freedom in making religious organizations pay for abortion and abortion inducing drugs all for your so-called notion of equality? There is a major double standard here. Those advocating tolerance do not tolerate the opinion of anyone with moral convictions? How is this just? Your ideal of a moral relativistic society has severe problems. You are a democrat because you refuse to protect life and embrace a society that would rather be self-indulgent than life-giving.
Thomas Edward Miles, you call yourself a Catholic and yet repeatedly come here and spout things that go against Catholic teaching. If you’re bound and determined not to amend your life and live and believe the way a Catholic should live and believe, then why are you even Catholic?
Homosexuals coming out of the closet did more harm than good! All common sense and common decency was lost!
Abeca Christian.
I dont think that homosexuals coming out of the closet did more harm than good,if the Church teaches that we have to accept what they are but not the act.
However when the Church in the UK allowed homosexual Masse’s to continue-that is the error.. It opened the floodgates and supposedly gave them a human right which wasn’t due to them.
There are many homosexuals living a decent life and we ought not to judge if they are not committing sin!
Those are the ones who are living decently and through the help of prayer and Grace can live a life of celebacy just like widows (like myself)and those couples who through ill health and other reasons for abstaining.
There are organisations who help parents to cope.
When we criticize we are also criticising all homosexuals ,and God knows who are suffering
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I think that is where most of the damage has been done, the Church allowing the Masses to continue.
They ought to have been encouraged to go to their parishes, and we ought to be encouraged to accept them as they are- as Jesus does-but not their sin
An unfortunate defect in nature! It won’t go away.
“if the Church teaches that we have to accept what they are but not the act.”: The Church does not teach that we should accept homosexuals for what they are. Homosexuals “are” human beings and that is what we accept. We do not accept their homosexualism, no, not in any way.
JLS, Holy Mother Church accepts that they do not -or -are not able to have a sexual relationship with females/males because of their nature.
That is what we have to accept too-you are nit picking now.
I suppose you would rather they were not welcomed in society or Holy Mother Church.so allow them to worship in their own community-like lepers!
Homosexualism is the way they are, they do not have to have a sexual relationship with the opposite sex-no more that you or I should masturbate.or have extra marital relationships if we happen to be in love with our neighbours wife.
Or do they need to take part in the Gay Pride Marches.-as Roman Catholics we ought to be setting the example of holding out a welcoming hand in our parishes,and let the love of Our Lord shine through.
MHG, why is it a pattern that when a blogger fails to grasp critical points, they call it nit picking? What, btw, is a “females/males”? But if a pervert wants to worship perversely, then they of course need to be prohibited from the Church. OTOH, if they are penitents, then the Church is where they need to be. Contrary to the oft heard “We are a Church of sinners”, which is a half truth, we are a Church of repentant sinners. Sure, you can call this sort of thing “nit picking” whenever you choose to avoid the hard work of repenting of sin. BTW, nit picking is a term that comes from what animals do to keep themselves healthy.
Homosexualism is how sodomites behave, and dooms them to Hell forever.
MHG, your posts on homosexuals reveals an incredibly naiive insight into these people. Their entire being is intrinsically disordered. You do not let a lit match into the ammo room, right? Same principle. Everything they touch becomes adulterated. You’re falling for the old routine because … well, you will have to figure this one out on your own. I’ve run into countless hordes of homosexuals, and precious few who turn from it. The motivation for them to turn from it is not because you treat them sweetly, but because they become aware of how doomed they are if they don’t change. So, let them know how deranged they are, and maybe it’ll get through to a precious few … and this will most likely be later than sooner. But of course if you prefer to enjoy afternoon tea and crumpets with sodomites, that is your choice.
K and Mary Helena, many times I have read comments here from people saying that gay people should be driven from the Church. I have read several comments that gay priests should be kicked out of the Church. In my own parish I have never heard such comments. I have spoken to people who have left the Church because they were made to feel unwelcome because they were gay. Some people have expressed a desire for a smaller purer Church, a Church free of homosexual persons.
AMEN JLS!
Mary Helena, I read with interest your posting. In regard to “homosexual Masses”, Mass is Mass, the Masses that you refer to are just Masses where gay people are welcomed. At some churches, gay people are not welcome. It would be good if people did accept gay people as they are but some people don’t. Some Catholics don’t want gay people in the church and would prefer that they go elsewhere. These Masses are ones that gay people can feel safe at. You refer to an unfortunate defect in nature but not everyone feels this way. Many parents of gay children do not see their children as defective. Some people see being left handed as a defect but it is just a difference in nature, not really a defect. One interesting note is a larger percentage of left-handed men are gay than right handed men. You are correct in that it is a part of nature and won’t go away.
Oh, come off of it, Mark! At the church where I go to mass, nobody wears signs saying “I’m gay” and “I’m straight.” Nobody has the slightest idea what anybody’s so-called “orientation” is unless the person takes pains to advertise it. Knock off the self-pity!
Bravo Larry!
Larry.
Explain that to JLS,as he seems to know who is and who is not a homosexual.-who is practicing and who is not.
Warwick St Gay Masses, there is plenty of idea who anybody is by their very obvious ‘touchy and feelie’ actions that is why they ought to be stoppped!
I’m not sure I understand exactly what your point is, Mary Helena. First of all, your assertion that homosexuals are constitutionally incapable of sexual relations with the opposite sex I think is debatable, given evidence from the lives of many so-called “gay” people. Although homosexuality has been known throughout human history–the Roman emperors were notorious for it–the concept of “the homosexual” as someone who is mysteriously fated for life to be capable of sexual activity ONLY with the same sex, dates from the mid-19th Century or so. In other words, it’s a very young idea in the life of the human race, and one which is not quite proved beyond any reasonable doubt as far as I’m concerned. As has been pointed out, the “inclination”–that is, the temptation–towards homosexual activity is essentially an attraction to an evil, disordered and unnatural act–as contrasted with the temptation to commit adultery, which is an attraction to an evil and destructive perversion of what is essentially good: namely, a person’s inner drive to unite with the opposite sex to produce children. There is nothing good about homosexuality. There is no redeeming context–no upside. It is pure evil. It must be fled from unconditionally and completely. And part of fleeing from it is to resist in toto the idea that a person should permanently identify his very self with the fact that he happens to suffer from temptations towards a seriously disordered act. That’s why having “gay masses” or “gay parishes” is a huge blunder because it reinforces the notion that a man’s same-sex temptations are an inseparable part of his very being about which he can do nothing whatsoever–when the truth is, they are an alien pollution which seeks to degrade his God-given dignity.
Larry, I am coming to understand that some people think there is nothing good about homosexuality. Some feel there is no redeeming context, no upside. Some think that gay people, even gay teens are pure evil. When it comes to being gay I think gay people need to flee unconditionally and completely from people with views like this as they are dehumanizing.
JLS.
1st. It seems that you do not understand my comment when I said that
Warwick St Homosexual Masses is an error and ought to be stopped.
Have you got that yet?
2.I am NOT saying that homosexual activity that means agreeing with it-fighting for their rights-joining Gay Pride marches etc etc etc. are right.
Have you got that yet?
3.I AM saying that they should go to Mass in their own parishes and NOT demand a community Mass from the Catholic Church.
4. Female/ is both lesbians and what the other is are called.I believe male, but you may have another name for them
Have you got that yet
5. I told you what the Holy Mother Church teaches on homosexuality I go with that. Read it for yourself, I doubt if you will get that though as your understanding of Fertility Awareness is zero. too..
The Church does not bar anyone from Holy Mass-especially those who are in need for the strength to live a holy life-
They dont need people like you condemning them when you dont know how they live their lives-at least in a parish they will not flaunt it like the Warwick St Masses- which only encourages their mistaken human rights.
Have you got that yet.
May I suggest that you take a course in couselling for the organisation Encourage- I believe it is Courage in the USA, if that is where you are- it will help you to get over your obvious distress and keep your mind occupied on the heart of the matter, not on the seedy side of homosexuality, which should not concern us as Christians.
Prayer and good works and daily Mass will help you. If you are a RC.
Mark pa the above comment will explain you question.
Larry, it will also explain yours.
We have to remember also that Satan is portrayed often as a serpent or snake-whose tongue is the evil one!!
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Well PA anything that is contrary to the laws of God is evil, take a good look at this culture which has been influenced very strongly by homosexuals in the media and the so called entertainment industry and tell me is this culture some Our Lord would be pleased with…Gays are NOT victims they are corrupters….
No, don’t pull that tack again on me, Mark. The fact is that homosexuality is pure evil–it is disordered, it is degrading most of all to the participants, not to mention deadly–the act itself is injurious to the body—there is no context in which it is even morally neutral, let alone good. It is YOU who continuously point to that garbage and insist, “this is me–this is who and what I am,” while in the very next breath you inform us that not only have you never committed this evil, but you are in fact living a chaste and virtuous life with a wife. Why you have so little self-respect that you feel you must defame yourself by wearing an undeserved label, solely on the basis of some inner temptations never acted-upon, is something you’ll have to search out for yourself with the aid of someone more qualified than myself. It’s as if you feel compelled to pour sewage all over your person and then beg others to tell you it doesn’t stink. I can understand in this day and age why a teenage virgin might go around telling people she’s a slut–because being a virgin is seen as uncool. But I just don’t get why you love so much this pit of self-loathing that you will never budge from it. As for me, I’m not going to lie. Sewage does stink, and so does sin, particularly (Scripture informs us) the sin of homosexual activity. The only remedy is to get away from it cleanly, and that includes refusing to wear the label, whether as a badge of shame or honor (especially the latter.)
My other reply to this was put in a different spot. I hope that you caught it Larry. You words are troubling to me. It seems that the Church is changing its views on gay people to something less accepting. It seems to me that gay people are kind of becoming the “new Jews”. It is like the antipathy some Catholics had for Jews has been transferred to another group of people. I even had a priests say that gay people were comparable to Jewish people in the way they were treated. When I was a young person I was aware of how Jews had been treated by many Catholics in the past. It was hard for me to believe and accept but it was part of history. Back then gay Catholics were pretty much silent but it seems they were considered equal in their humanity to other Catholics.
Enough already, PA, of your insolence before God!!! You sodomites liken your cause to persecution of Jews or racial oppression … none of this comparison is valid. “Blessed are those who are persecuted (now hear this, PA) for the sake of righteousness. Homosexualism, sodomy or same sex attraction have zero to do with righteousness. We know it, but you don’t because your perverse advocacy blinds you. Pray to St Paul to instruct you in truth.
JLS, I remember when I was 17 and one of my friends got angry at me and threw a bunch of homophobic terms at me. What he said was painful and I didn’t understand why someone that I cared about would call me such things. But now I understand. You refer to me with “you sodomites”. You call me perverse and insolent. This isn’t the Catholicism that I was raised in. I was taught that we were all created in the image and likeness of God and that Christ was present in all of us.
You were taught wrong, PA. The phrase, “we were all created in the image and likeness of God and that Christ was present in all of us”, generally speaking is wrong. It was Adam and Eve who were created in the image and likeness of God. They blew it, and so nobody since then, save Jesus and Mary, have been born in the image and likeness of God. Look at it this way, PA: When you teachers told you that, and word of it got around to your parents, then guess what? Wouldn’t that take the bite off what your parents were paying that school?
The Catholic doctrine which is infallible is that all men and women, all human persons, are created in the image and likeness of God. Human life is sacred.
Adam and Eve were created in the image and likeness of God; however, the Fall put a crinkle in the result. This is why Jesus recommends Baptism, as kind of a step towards ironing out this problem.
That may be your opinion, JLS, but as usual, you are not conforming your opinion to the teaching of the Church, which is clearly that all human beings without exception are created in the “image and likeness of God.” That fact was not altered by the sin of Adam. The phrase does not refer to a state of sanctifying grace, but rather to the fact that humans are capable of acting out of free will. CCC #355 “God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them.”218 Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is ‘in the image of God’; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created ‘male and female’; (IV) God established him in his friendship.” Note the use of the present tense–i.e., man “occupies a unique place…(etc)” CCC#357 reads: “Being in the image of God the human individual possesses the dignity of a person, who is not just something, but someone. He is capable of self-knowledge, of self-possession and of freely giving himself and entering into communion with other persons. and he is called by grace to a covenant with his Creator, to offer him a response of faith and love that no other creature can give in his stead.”
PA, you also should be aware of how the Catholics sometimes were treated by the Jews … if it were not bad treatment then why did the Catholics kick the Jews out of two major nations at two different times in history? You have to realize that Catholics worship Christ, and do not worship the Jews. The center of creation is the Holy Eucharist and not Jerusalem.
The problem could be easily solved if all Gay people who were living a Holy Christian life-without a ‘sexual’ relationship would stand up for their human rights and dignity which they are upholding.
They don’t need all this seedy references to their nature and Catholics and other Christians condemning them for living an impure life when they are not.
There are married couples living impure lives-even in their own homes watching TV which have so much tasteless programmes, also strip Clubs where both sex go to.
There are prostitutes roaming our streets, drunken teenage girls and boys who will succumb to sex at the drop of a hat..
And it all goes on and on and on. We have disgusting magazines on show for young children to see. Daily papers advertising filthy chat lines,
And yet those homosexuals who are trying to live a celibate life are being thrown in amongst the dirt. Shame on you!!
Do please try at least to get this subject into perspective. .
Mary Helena, I think part of the problem is that many people view homosexual persons as inherently evil. Read the comments here. Gay people are viewed as disordered, defective beings. So even if gay people are celibate and trying to lead a Christian life they are still seen as less than the straight people, even straight people that are leading lives of promiscuity. They gay people are viewed as mistakes of nature, so the straight people regardless of their faults and failing are still viewed as better than any gay people. The Catechism says that homosexual persons should not face unjust discrimination but some people think it is OK if a person justifies their mistreatment of and discrimination against gays.
Some gay people surely get spiritual nourishment in attending Masses for them where they will be sheltered from people that see them as evil and something less than fully human.
Bull, Mark! There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to feel ashamed of temptations which, through no fault of his own, he may feel towards committing evil, as long as he does not consent. But neither is there any reason to feel PROUD of being attracted to evil–in fact, that’s the next-worst thing to consenting, because it’s a short walk from one to the other. I commend you for living a chaste and virtuous life, but you do young people a mortal disservice for encouraging them to feel proud of the fact that this ugliness beckons to them, as though it were a signal honor–which is what this “gay pride” and “gay rights” abomination is all about. For that, you should be ashamed of yourself. I would hate to see you vitiate the merits of your virtuous life by perhaps leading others to sin premature death and maybe even eternal punishment, by having encouraged them to celebrate and glorify in themselves what all Christians need to simply flee from: the call of evil, whatever its guise. Avoiding sin means not only avoiding the commission of evil, but avoiding its glorification also–and that’s where you fall down–that is where I fault you.
PA, there is a reason God called nature very good, and a reason that He did not create same sex attraction. Sodomites have burned out consciences and this is why they simply cannot see the problem. Jesus, in a passage of the Gospel, gives man four capacities, which are body, soul, mind and heart: Sodomy destroys some of these more than others. Use what you have left to trust what the Church says about sodomy and same sex attraction … Caution, when you dismiss such Magisterial documents as the Bible, then you will never arrive at the truth, because you’ve already assigned yourself to be the truth, which obvious to many is utter folly.
Mark from PA, I have been reading these back and forth post with interest. So I would like to pose these thoughts to you. We know that prejudice existed in Jesus’ time between the Jews and the Gentiles. Non-the-less Jesus interacted with both these groups. And yes he was criticized for eating with “sinners”. This does not follow, however, that Jesus “tolerated” both of these groups. To my knowledge Jesus acknowledged virtue where he saw it among Jews or Gentiles, but he also confronted and condemned sin where he saw it, whether among Jew or Gentile. His message was one of conversion not acceptance. He made it very clear “sinners will not inherit the Kingdom of God”. If you disagree with me then please show me anywhere in scripture where you find Jesus “accepting” sin?
You disagree with the statement that homosexual ideation is intrinsically disordered. Is this because you can’t remember a time when you didn’t have same sex attractions? Let me suggest to you that there are other intrinsically disordered people in society who are identified as such in early childhood. One of these groups of people would be sociopaths. Because of their disorder, they engage in all sorts of evil. I doubt that any sociopath chose their warped thinking patterns. Would you agree, therefore, that we should “accept”, “embrace” and “tolerate” any evil they commit since these acts seem perfectly normal to them?
Neither homosexuals nor sociopaths should EVER be rejected as human beings. And their disorder should NEVER be “embraced”.
Tracey was that comment for me.If it was, I do not like your inference that if one were to embrace homosexuals who are not active-then I must have had lesbian inclination as a child.
Are you saying that Jesus turns His back on people who do not act out their homosexual tendencies.
He turns no one way away even women who have had a tendencey to abort their child. And no before you think it I haven’t had thoughts to abort my childrenor to use contraception for that matter.
Even if your remark is not not meant for me I still believe it to be out of order.
Judge not and you will not be judged.
I know young boys who are homosexual and with the Grace of God Who embraces them, they have not indulged in homosexual activity.
There is too much summizing in people today.And muddled thinking!
I do wish they would read the comments properly and if in doubt ask, not assume.
Mary Helena Gamble,
I do wish that you would have read Tracy’s comments before you protested too much.
I entirely agree with ‘THE TRUTH HURTS’. .maybe who ever you are who believes the same as me, would be kind enough and truthful enough to tell the Truth as to who you are . Then we can discuss which TRUTH you have in mind.
I reply to the person to whom the comment was a reply to -‘mine’ made at the time.
If it was not made to me- be truthful and say so.
If it was -I Spoke the TRUTH.
AND that ‘must have hurt’.
By the way, I have often read comments about Jesus being a homosexual,because he loved John His beloved Apostle,and shown often St John leaning on Jesus’s shoulder.
Perverse remarks are not acceptable..
It is not all about sex.
Mark..’Your comment well done.YOU’.You speak from your heart, and it shows that you have one -and it is in the right place!
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Mary Helena Gamble, the comments above, which you protested, were not meant for you but a continuation of my thoughts to Mark from PA. The new format on CCD does not, in my opinion, work as well as the old one. So sorry for the mixup.
Tracey Thank you for your reply.
I see you had made the comment twice and as it was under mine I mistakenly thought it was for me.
I think a few of us let off steam too much, it is good to speak ones mind ,but not be rude.
It is difficult sometimes.and of course when its said- and gone it cant be changed
So I will apologise to anyone who is hurt through my remarks,but we must be honest how we feel-we all come from different backgrounds and different experiences in life,and our ‘ages’.
Hopefully we are here to learn from each other and take us to where we
are.As I said before the tongue is the pioson.And no doubt we will all be upset again.
THIS COMMENT AT THE END IS NOT MEANT FOR YOU TRACEY-or any one in particular. just a passing thought.Myself included.(I have a fast fuse being Irish!!!!!) I am not too used to computers that’s why I didn’t notice.
MHG, what’s with insisting everyone follow your book of manners? French playwrights explored this whole manners thing a couple centuries ago, and it is now called the genre of “Comedy of Manners”. Today’s term is “political correctness”. I don’t know if you realize it, but you’re blogging on an American site and trying to push English manners … don’t you see the absurdity of it?
Sorry Tracy.in my eighty year eyes not so good!
JLS. My last post on this subject too.
I was not aware that good manners were restricted to one kind of Nationality.
Having a Guest House and Licensed Trade for many years,I was welcoming people from all over the world and all colours- every year
Americans I found them very polite -I didn’t have to push English manners on anyone-‘but often people who expected condoms in the toilets’.were quite rude- if two gentlemen came I did not ask if they were Gay-they had seperate beds- I did not believe in a poster up saying ‘No Blacks No Irish and no dogs, I certainly would not ask if they were Gay, just politely say 2 single beds.
I would not call my manners particularly English as I am from the Republic of Ireland-altough 55 years in England.,part Spanish and part French-so I could be called mixed breed!!!.
I have many- many relatives in the USA.. I am not a bigot.!
We were never empty-even though my large Sacred Heart Statue had pride of place in the hallway Which I won at a fun fair at age 7, and the Immaculate Conception statue looking out the window upstairs, and Crucifix’s in all rooms. etc;
I am proud to be a RC-but like everyone else feel shamed at the scandals.especially when a good friend a priest was falsly accused just for financial gain- proved innocent..
We do not know each other so I don’t make assumptions about anyone, you ought to do the same!.
Thanks for a wonderful post, Mary Helena. Too bad I am across the ocean. I would love to stay at your guest house. Sadly, I haven’t traveled much lately. At the moment I am trying to look after my 88 year old dad and that is often a challenge so I don’t really have a chance to travel at all.
JLS PS.
Ref; Your comment above.
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Yes I am Irish! Perhaps more proud of my Nationality than people who show Bad Breeding.
Have you read the ‘ABOUT US’ in the Home Page It say’s-
Our Mission Statement
PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR THE SOCIAL COMMUNICATIONS VATICAN CITY June 4th 2000- Jubilee for Journalists.
Have a little read, you may find the instruction of how good manners are applied when writing.
Bye now – and be careful with that shotgun- you may shoot yourself in the foot sometime!
I notice this comment is above I incurred a mistake with the
comment, But then some people need to read things twice,
Mark thank you.
You would be welcome in my house anytime even though I am retired from the guest house now.
Mark, first of all I want to acknowledge how courageous you are to discuss all of this here. Bearing one’s heart and soul is never easy as it can leave one open to ridicule, but it can also leave one open to hope and change.
I can fully understand why you would not want to see your SSA as “fundamentally disordered”. The human psyche will always strive to protect itself from seeing itself as flawed or fallen. Let me give you an example which I think everyone can relate to: one universal human disorder is pride. Why is pride a disorder? Because we are created beings and could not exist without God willing it. So thus pride is fundamentally irrational as well. Yet the prideful person rarely sees this disorder in him/herself. Because of our fallen nature, we all suffer to one degree or other with the sin of pride. Does this mean then that we don’t need a remedy to pride? Of course not! Jesus himself told us that only the humble can enter heaven! Our only remedy then, is to pray daily for humility. Yet it is not easy to pray for humility because we know that if we received this gift, it would mean the death of self. No one said the Christian life was easy, in fact Jesus also said, “the road to hell is wide and easy and many choose it, but the road to heaven is narrow and difficult and few find it.” I, myself, find this quite sobering.
Mark, it sounds as if you have a problem with someone being “homophobic” Maybe it would help, if you explained, what your definition of “homophobic’ is. To me ‘homophobic’ means that someone is uncomfortable being in the same room with someone who has SSA. You said in one of your post that you are not “openly gay”, so I am not sure how one would know that you are homosexual, yet you have shared that you have been mistreated because of your homosexuality. Just pointing this out.
I have also heard that if anyone is “uncomfortable” with someone living a homosexual lifestyle, then he/she is homophobic. So, Mark, if someone is uncomfortable being around a prideful person, is he/she pridephobic? If someone is uncomfortable being around a pediopheliac is he/she pediophobic? Do you see how ridiculous this is? We should all be uncomfortable with sin and sinful lifestyles. I for one am uncomfortable with those who are openly living a life of fornication. I guess this make me “fornicaphobic”!
To conclude, all I can say Mark is, have the courage to pray to our Lord to see yourself as He sees you. Ask him to give you the life that He wants you to have. Pray the rosary. Our Blessed Mother is gentle and always helps us grow in holiness.
Tracy, I have had a couple of people tell me that most people probably think I am gay but they don’t say anything to me because I don’t talk about it. I think some people have trouble with the word “homophobic” for example people say that they are not afraid of homosexual persons. I guess I refer to people that hate homosexuality, the homosexual orientation and have a general dislike for gay people. So to me it is more a sense of dislike than a sense of fear.
Mark from PA, as a heterosexual, I too have been told by people that they thought I was probably gay. This is possibly because I have never married, nor have had children. In addition, I have had roommates of the same gender. Our world is so sexualized now that unless you are married or openly fornicating, it is hard for the average person out there to believe that it is truly possible or sane to live a celibate single life. Thus, the only other option for them would be to believe that such a one is a closet gay! So thus, Mark, I have been unfairly stigmatized. Not only have I not experienced the marriage that I have always desired, but I have been marginalized because I am not married nor have children. But what did Christ say? “In this world you will have troubles…” and “pick up your cross and follow Me…”. There are many other such passages in the Gospels. Christ suffered this and much more for me so who am I to complain!
In regards to you saying that maybe homophobia is more an example of “hate” rather than “fear”. If you know anything about psychology, angry people are usually really using anger to cover up their fear. It is usually safer to appear angry than fearful. Non-the-less I don’t see what difference this would make. We should all “hate” and “fear” sin. This includes ALL sin! This includes the sins of lust, fornication and sodomy.
As for myself, I do not “dislike” gay people. I have and have had enjoyable relationships with homosexuals and I have and have had some negative relationships with homosexuals. In either of these cases, however, I have ALWAYS hated the sin of sodomy and wish for sodomites our Lord’s mercy and healing leading to conversion. This is no different to how I feel about those relationships I have or have had with fornicators.
I long for a day when sin won’t be celebrated and tolerated anymore. Ah, yes, God willing, both you and I Mark, through a humble and contrite heart, will see that day in heaven!!!!
Mary Helena Gamble, apology accepted. By the way, I spell my name Tracy not Tracey. But I assume you were referring to me.
Oh, you’re Irish, are you now, MHG? Well, I ain’t gonna cotton to your manners campaign, and pardon me while I go and pound some more nails into my club that I use for persuading the neighbors around here to behave better.
Something has gone wrong on this article and the “reply” does not seem to be working and it is very confusing. I suggest that we do as we used to. Put the persons name that you are replying to at the beginning of the post.
Mark from PA, I have compassion for you and your apparent confusion in regards to your struggle with your sexual identity. Yes, all people, you included, were created in the image and likeness of God. As far as “Christ being present in all of us”, I have heard this stated many times before. I am not sure how this particular idea can coexist with the Catholic truth that one can “fall from grace” and that if one is not in a state of grace at death, he/she cannot enter the heaven. Can Christ “abide” in someone who is in mortal sin? Can Christ abide in Hell?
I don’t think I would call it a struggle, Tracy. I have come to the conclusion that as a young person people tended to protect me. When I experienced homophobia from people that I didn’t know, I have to admit that this was confusing to me. I never really had people express a dislike of gay people to me so even now expressions of dislike for gay people and homosexuality in general are somewhat confusing to me. I suppose I accepted the way God made me as I never really prayed for him to change this, to change me. In regard to Christ being present in all of us, this is particularly true when we receive Christ in the Holy Eucharist.
I’ve experienced something sort of parallel to this perhaps, PA. When I was about 40 something, I had just turned my shopping cart up a supermarket aisle, and was proceeding slowly, when two teenybopper giggly girls entered the aisle from the far end. They began to nudge each other and check me out. Then, as … I wonder if they were both nearsighted and not wearing their contact lenses … they got closer they both suddenly recoiled in horror as they realized that I was not the young sprout they had imagined. I almost fell over laughing, but I held it in. Their faces were red as beets as they hurried by me. Would something like that be what you mean?
JLS, an example is when I was in college I picked up a hitchhiker and took him to the college. When I let him out of the car I told him to have a nice day. He looked at me and smirked and said in a phony gay voice “You have a nice day too fella.” I was confused as to why he felt the need to put down someone who just did something nice for him. But I must say that women are usually very nice to me and often salespeople call me “honey” or “sweetie” which I take as being nice. As I said, people usually don’t say negative things about gay people around me.
Mark from PA,
We will have to disagree about same sex attraction not being intrinsically disordered and that it is a “variation in nature” as you have stated. If you accept this Mark then you will also need to “accept” those disorders such as psychopathy, sociopathy, bestiality, pedophelia, etc. as being a “variation in nature” While I do not hold that suffering from one of these disorders, including homosexuality, equates one with being evil, the acts one may commit due to these disorders ARE evil. The Christian and loving thing to do use to be to help all of these people overcome these disorders. Now people like you tell us that we should “embrace” these disorders as “God given” and thus worthy of celebration! Let me remind you that all of the disorders I have mentioned bring their sufferers temporary pleasure. If sin didn’t do this then no one would commit one.
Mary Helena, you are so correct, it is not all about sex. As someone who is not openly gay, sometimes I feel that it is difficult to express myself. Taking part in some of these discussions has often been a challenge to me. It has been a learning experience and I have had to look deep inside myself at times. I have learned from many comments that have been made here. For many years I suppose I was somewhere between denial and acceptance and believe it or not ten years ago I never pondered much of what I write here now. Even now it is difficult for me to speak about what I write here. Sometimes shyness is a burden. I want to thank you for your kindness and consideration which I truly appreciate and I am also thankful to those who have helped and inspired me here over the years. God bless.
If Jesus turns no one away, then why does He give us images such as the goats shall be separated from the sheep, and Heaven and Hell?
Tracy, I do not consider gay people to be intrinsically disordered. I see a homosexual orientation as a variation in nature. When I was a child I liked girls, I liked girls better than boys. I especially liked it when older girls paid attention to me. I don’t think I realized that I was physically attracted to guys until well into puberty. Then it was an attraction in a passive (or somewhat chaste) sense. I still liked girls but didn’t have a strong sexual attraction to them.
PA, Are you conflating the CCC’s meaning of disordered with the, lets call it, more recent scientific meaning of disordered? They are not one if the same thing.
Tracy, we are all sinners. Jesus came to heal sinners, myself included. Jesus accepted and had compassion for sinners and forgave their sins. Remember how the Pharisees were angered as they questioned where Jesus got the authority to forgive sins?
Excellent, Tracy!!!
Mark thank you, you show the love of the Risen Lord..
Mary Helena, thank you for your kind words to me. Larry, you see the homosexual orientation as ugliness but I don’t. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I tend to see the goodness in people. I don’t think as a young person I was attracted to evil. I was attracted to goodness. Perhaps many people here do not understand but when you are different, a lot of times you don’t have people explain it to you. Young people today know more about these things but as a young person, I didn’t. As I have said, as a young person, due to my orientation, I really didn’t have a lot of temptations. It is confusing to me to ponder that my chastity as a young person was due to being intrinsically evil and disordered.
Beauty is a creature of God, and same sex attraction is a heinous abomination and cruel mockery of beauty, and needs to be blotted out of existence.
I think we can leave it to the intelligence and common sense of each reader to determine for themselves whether you are correctly or falsely describing my comments.
So, Larry, you are in favor of mob rule, after all.
You know what is really troubling to me PA, is your constant desire for the Church to accept gays in their sin. As for the Jews, please I am tired of that card being played by them and members of the Church… Certain Jewish groups are constantly bashing us over the head for things that happened 500 years ago… I could go back in recent history when Jewish Bolsheviks wiped out 5MM Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox Christians, this littel fact is barely admitted by most Jewish groups ie the ADL….I dont know what kind of priests you listed to, but they are really giving you the wrong info when comes to saving your soul…
Too true, Canisius, and in this day and age, anti-Catholic bigotry is what passes for humor by talentless comedians (who shall remain nameless) with no originality or natural wit. Especially the one with the gray face and hair that reminds me of a bowl of museli and skim milk that’s been left outside in the sun for three days. The wry humor of George Burns, or the really funny monologues of Ernie Kovacs are beyond the abilities of any of those hateful performers and talk show hosts of today, (Seinfeld is an exception) who can only be snide and cynical and sarcastic.
Great, I’m trying to stop reading and blogging this evening … well, by now, tonight … but the humor simply keeps on keeping on. I’m also trying to cut down my three beer per night escapade and this stuff makes it hard to call it a day. Also, maybe in some remotely similar manner reminescent of St Teresa of Avila’s fall from her carriage into the mud, so famously spoken about, I tripped and fell on my face while hunting the final half hour of dove season, and landed with the side of my head on the forarm of my shotgun. I guess I need more spiritual discipline so that I can address God properly as did St Teresa instead of addressing the circumstances with harsh and judgmental words … which I learned by sound bite instead of reasoned study. But maybe God does treat his friends, or at least His friend wannabees like this, as the Saint so eloquently said, “Lord, if this is how you treat your friends, then no wonder you have so few of them”.
Thank you Mark for your reply
You are right in saying that Mass is Mass.
Have you been to the Warwick St Masses in Soho?
You say that many parents do not see their children as defective-do you mean Catholic parents., because if you do-then they ought to know that their children are as they are and would want them to be brought into the family of parish life, and not isolated
We have a lot to answer for by making them feel different and that is why I think it an error on the part of those who have given a seperate community for Catholic Gay people.
We are the ones who need educating.
Thank God my children are not homosexual or my grandchildren, but all our souls are equal in the sight of God. and homosexual or not we are all united in one family. He who is without sin………even though some of us think we are…..
Mark from PA, I have never heard of a Catholic Mass or church where gay people are not welcome. What do you mean?
K, what PA means is obvious he want to the Church to affirm and celebrate their homosexaulity, he wants them to be accepted in their sin rather than tryin to let these people know that their souls are in grave danger…
Canisius, I’m not sure that is what he wants but I know there are others who do. Obviously, this is wrong. I know you read about what happened last year at that meeting with the people who are attracted to children and how they want acceptance. Did you see this on CNN? A spokeswoman for American Atheists said about the conventions ” We are deeply saddened by an exclusion of a large number of Americans by both parties. It amazed me in modern day America so much prejudice still exists.” Concerning the DNC platform that did not mention God and then was amended to include the words “God-given potential”: “We had 24 hours of joy as we felt finally our government values all people. But that was short-lived. The vote [to amend the platform] angered many atheists and left them feeling excluded once again.” Danny Silverman, president of American Atheists said “I guess a tiny step was too much to ask for. This was a clear message to the 16% of the voting population-we don’t count. Well, guess what Dems, we do. And we vote.” Sounds too familiar, doesn’t it?
K, I did not see the CNN report, however it has been known for a while now that there is a push for the lowering of the age of consent. The biggest group pushing to do this are gay men, who desire younger and younger “partners”. Group like NAMBLA still exist and are part and parcel of the so called “pride” marches.
If we lived in a functioing society group like this would be eliminated completely. Mark my words since the damn has already been breached for so called gay rights, there will be other perverts demanding theirs, bestiality and incest are not that far behind… make no mistake about it, its coming.
Canisuius, the idea that each group is entitled not just to do what they want and be left alone, but to be accepted and valued (and that it is a form of persecution if they are not accepted and valued) is so narcissistic. But the argument works on other narcissists and we have become at least in part a nation of narcissists. They are shameless people, arrogant and envious, who feel entitled to things they have not earned and they routinely exploit and manipulate other people. Their personal boundaries are so bad that they have to control what other people think and say. Add to this a type of magical thinking that says “because I want it, it should be” or “because I think it, it is” along with a poor idea of what “normal” is and no real ability to empathise with others. You got a social, psychological and spiritual disaster.
Blessed John Paull II referred to gay people as being in the bosom of the Church in an interview many years back, I believe on his way to the USA. Presumably those who are in the bosom are welcome there.
Mary Helena I use to reach out to homosexuals and I was blessed to have met a few wonderful men who have left that lifestyle and would be offended if they were still identified as a homosexual or as a gay even, they actually accept the fact that they suffer with SSA’s, they are aware that they have a disorder and also recognize that they were living in sin in their past choices but chose to turn away from them.
But to be honest most homosexual are not living a decent life, you are incorrect to say that, you used the word homosexual, meaning that they are practicing their homosexuality indirectly or directly. On example of Indirectly would mean that they are not committing sodomy but are lusting still over other men, they vote for Democrats for the advancement of gay lifestyles and to redefine marriage, directly means that they are living a gay lifestyle, which both are considered immortal sins. Anything against the natural law is a grave sin!
There is no such thing as a gay right. This is just sophist chatter.
Yes Patrick I agree…The democrats love using that one, it sells….but praise God some of us know the truth and we won’t be deceived!
I can read this information anywhere…..I was looking for California Catholic Daily’s view of the Dem platform. As I see it the platform goes against Catholic beliefs. I look to the CCD to help me confirm our beliefs and give me words to share with others.
Pat, Catholic League has some commentary and blogger The Anchoress has it going on. Read the story about how the DNC refused gift baskets from the Christian churches in Charlotte. The comment going viral is one that was posted to her about the three times of voting down God and then Clinton speaking “First God is denied three times, then the cock crowed; what’s next?”
The heading for this article “Gay Rights are Human Rights” is so misleading to those who only read headlines. Does California Catholic Daily only report “the facts” or does it give the perspective of the Catholic Faith and the verbage to help the laity respond.
The party platform is what their candidates pledge to uphold by running as a representative and member of that party. It simply means, whether anyone likes it or not, that a Catholic is voting for those principles as set forth in the party platform when they vote for a candidate running on that ticket. So, a catholic who votes for any Democratic Party politician is voting for same sex marriage and abortion. They have a choice to make, Democrat vote or Catholic Church. The Church needs to say it out loud, from the pulpit, in the press, wherever and whenever someone might listen.
Ted,
Unfortunately, that will not happen in most Diocese and Archdiocese because most of out so called shepherds are Demoncrats!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
EXTRA EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT!
SCRIPTURAL HISTORY
REPEATS ITSELF!
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OFFICIALLY BOOS ALMIGHTY GOD!
TRYING ONCE AGAIN TO USURP DIVINE AUTHORITY
BY CLAIMING THAT GAY RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
ACCURATE POLLING RESULTS IN GENESIS CHAPTER !9
OUTCOME OF THIS FUTILE RACE ALREADY PREDICTED
WHEN IT COMES TO DEFENDING HIS NATURAL LAW
** GOD ALWAYS WINS **
CLAIMS THAT GAY RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
mabe this will infuriate more people that never voted and will actually vote against Obama! But who knows…Johavas witness always preach against homosexual lifestyles yet they do not go out and vote against it! These sort of cults are doing nothing to help fight the good fight! They do not vote!
Get prepared for the soon coming CHASTISEMENT!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Vladimir Putin expresses more faith in Jesus Christ than do the Democrats.
Putin made a pilgrimage to venerate and icon of the Mother of God, Obama attacks the Church,,,
DEMOCRATS CHOOSE BARABBAS OVER GOD
PONTIUS PILATE VILLARAIGOSA ASKED THE DEMOCRATIC CROWD
THREE TIMES IF THEY WANTED GOD OVER BARABBAS BARACK
OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC CROWD SAID NO!!! THREE TIMES!!!
Catherine awesome post!
Exactly! You might add, Catherine, as Villaraigosa washes his hands of the blood of the innocent unborn children and those who survive abortion. It was a scene right out of the New Testament.
Anne T., That was a great point to add. “Villaraigosa washes his hands of the blood of the innocent unborn children and those who survive abortion.
3 strikes….they’re OUT!
Suggestion to readers: Anytime you write or say the term “Democratic Party”, add after it the descriptive term “the Party of Death”.
and the party of sodomy…
…is better than a the one with a lobotomy
With a sinful platform like this and throwing out God (who rightly isn’t deserving of the mockery by these heathens), they can also be known as Demoncrats. Pray for our country. Half of it seems to be willing to march just like rats down into the sewer holes without any clear thought as to what they are doing nor care. It is all about them which will eventually lead them to socialism, communism, or anarchy. may God have mercy on our souls.
Vote Democrat: The Party of Sodomites, Lesbians, and Abortion
Cardinal Dolan’s prayer at the DNC was a lot longer than at the RNC. Catholic Culture has full text of both.
I’m still disappointed that Cardinal Dolan was even there at the DNC. As far as i am concerned, he has let the faithful down….
Abeca Christian,
I was very disappointed in the poor manner in which Cardinal Dolan made the Sign of the Cross. He almost came across as a little embarrassed while he did it. Our wonderful grammar school sisters, in their full habits would be turning over in their graves to witness a Cardinal give such an irreverently rushed Sign of the Cross for the entire world to see. The Sign of the Cross is a profession of faith. Many Catholics do not realize that the Sign of the Cross is a prayer itself. It should be said with reverence: We shouldn’t rush through it on the way to the next prayer.
Using your right hand, you should touch your forehead at the mention of the Father; the lower middle of the chest at the mention of the Son; and the left shoulder on the word “Holy” and the right shoulder on the word “Spirit’.
“Let us then not be ashamed to confess the crucified. Be the Cross our Seal made with boldness by our fingers on our brow and in everything. It is the Sign of the faithful and the dread of evils.” St. Cyril of Jerusalem.
“Crossing oneself is good public witness! Do not be ashamed of it! To be ashamed of the sign of His Cross is to be ashamed of Him.”
Youtube has the video of his prayer at the DNC and the RNC. He looked a lot more stressed at the DNC.
Catherine what a beautiful reminder you added to your post! Yes how many people rush the sign of the cross. Even at restaurants I recall myself doing that rushing when we would say grace. I caught myself and I recall my husband telling me how important it was for us to pray and make the sign of the cross correctly. I end up reminding him from time to time as well. We remind each other. We need to be attentive to detail… I didn’t watch his speech/prayer to be honest because I only get heart broken that anyone that is Catholic would be there, I can’t bare it anymore. Perhaps it is pride because I hate the disappointment. God help me.
Let me see if I get this right. The Cardinal goes to the convention to give the closing prayer. In the prayer he calls on Almighty God to bless the children still in the womb, prays for marriage to be between a man and a woman, three things the platform is against, and you worry about his sign of the cross? Get your priorities right. Never has a Catholic Bishop been so specific in preaching Catholic belief as this Cardinal did. Again, on this site, not good deed goes unpunished. Nowhere else in this campaign will you hear a Bishop preach and pray for the beliefs of the Catholic Church like this Cardinal did. The rest of them are too afraid the might make someone mad.
Bob One I didn’t watch it, my apologies. I couldn’t get my self to watch it because he was there at the DNC. I guess it’s not just that he was there as well but that he also invited Obama to eat dinner at a big function and other things that only give out the wrong message or even be misleading. Oh well why do I even try to explain, I don’t think you’ll ever understand. No offense.
Bob One,
“Never has a Catholic Bishop been so specific in preaching Catholic belief?” That’s quite an indictment! Yes Bob, For well over 40 years that has been the problem. It was good that the Cardinal mentioned those very important issues at the DNC but Bob let’s face it, charity begins at home.
Speaking of getting priorities in order. Are you the same Bob One who defended the placing of Tabernacles in side locations where it is difficult for the faithful to find? Bob One, If you could also possibly work up that same strong masculine enthusiasm for defending Our Lord being placed in the most prominent and visible location within the Church, then your priorities would definitely be in order.
Gay rights are not human rights, but the devil’s rites. The Devil has a God given right to eternal Hell, and so do his followers, the sodomites.
How clever the evil one is, over many decades, it has slowly infiltrated homosexual agenda’s. I can’t even watch the DNC, I feel disgust for the wicked speakers who surely are against God and the natural law. The more I gave my life to Jesus, the more I tend to resist and reject these evil agenda’s. Homosexuals are truly disordered, they have gone so far as to even adopt innocent children, forcing them to grow up without a normal chance at life. The other night, I was up late taking care of my youngest son, he is under the age 11, he wasn’t feeling well. As I got him ready for bed, said our prayers, he said mum I can’t sleep. I said, well I’ll stay here till you do, then I’ll turn your lights off. He said “OK, I love you, you are the best” As I sat in there waiting for him to fall asleep, I noticed that he needed what a mum gives her children, he needed what my husband gives him as a role model into manhood…..then I thought how selfish homosexuals are, how could they mess with God’s plan for all mankind. The homosexual agenda is all about them, trying to normalize their disorder and forcing it on innocent children, perverting their chance at a normal upbringing that only a mum and papa can provide.
Abeca Christian, You are so right. Helpless innocent children are being used to justify the unnatural. What did God say about scandalizing his little ones? God intended children to have a father and a mother.
Jesus warned the apostles not to fall asleep, to stay alert. I think that throughout the years people have fallen asleep thinking that the “gay agenda” was harmless….now as these years pass by and if the gay agenda and the abortion industry continues to grow, we shall see the wrath of God come upon humanity. With abortion, the human dignity of a child, is all lost, children are property and not treated like animals…..it is not considered a human life before it’s born, it is treated like an animal that a couple with SSA can just decide one day and adopt and destroy his/hers rights to a normal chance at a right to be nurtured that only a mum and papa home life can provide. This idea angers gay activist, they want this normal structured home life destroyed and the liberals want to help them rebel against the natural law.
correction ” and ARE treated like animals!…..it is not considered a human life before it’s born.
Did you read about the pro-abortion protesters that were taunting the pro-life protesters outside the DNC? They were pointing at people and yelling, “You’re a person. You’re a person. A fetus is not a person.”
No I did not but I am not surprised.
Larry, I don’t see myself as defaming myself or pouring sewage over myself. You view a homosexual orientation as pure evil but I don’t. I am just sharing something about myself. I was never taught that homosexuality was evil. I was never taught to hate certain groups of people. When I was a young person I was spared certain temptations because I was not heterosexual. I don’t view that as evil. But I also don’t really know why God made me the way that He did so it is as much a mystery to me as to you, I suppose. I am not trying to say that I am some paragon of virtue. I am just a human being and a sinner trying to lead a good life.
“You view a homosexual orientation as pure evil but I don’t.” That’s a lie, Mark, and you know it because we’ve been through this many times before. Homosexual “orientation” (really just same-sex attraction temptations) is an ATTRACTION TOWARDS a pure evil. “I was never taught that homosexuality was evil.” Until now. “I was never taught to hate certain groups of people.” Mark! Do you NEVER tire of sounding so pathetically whiny? From reading your posts, I would picture you crying in a corner day in and day out, blubbering, “I need a hug! The supermarket checker was insufficiently affirming of my gayness today! I can’t cope!” Has it not occurred to you that we conservative Catholics have more excuse than you any day for self pity? In case you haven’t noticed, we aren’t very popular either in society as a whole or the Church itself. And your accusing us of hating you is just so–insensitive of you! But that’s life, I guess. Anyone who swims against the current makes waves, many of them unpleasant. And as for “gays” being the “new Jews,”–really! How can any of us mistreat them, either on the street or in the pews, when we don’t even know who they are to begin with?
Canisius, it wasn’t Jewish people that murdered Ukrainians and Orthodox Catholics. Many Ukrainians died in the man-made famine in the early 1930’s. Much of the blame for this can be laid at the feet of Joseph Stalin, who was not Jewish. He was raised in the Orthodox faith but became an evil atheist. Stalin and his henchmen murdered millions. Stalin was also responsible for the execution of many of the “Old Bolsheviks” in the purges of the late 1930’s. It was Stalinist terror, not Jews killing Christians.
PA please dont tell me what I know. Felix Dzerzhinsky who was Jewish was head of the secret polic (cheka) had a direct hand of what happened in the Ukraine along with Kaganovitch, Yagoda, Yezhov and Beria, all of them Jews. Sorry to burst your bubble but you are wrong yet again.
You disagree with the statement that homosexual ideation is intrinsically disordered. Is this because you can’t remember a time when you didn’t have same sex attractions? Let me suggest to you that there are other intrinsically disordered people in society who are identified as such in early childhood. One of these groups of people would be sociopaths. Because of their disorder, they engage in all sorts of evil. I doubt that any sociopath chose their warped thinking patterns. Would you agree, therefore, that we should “accept”, “embrace” and “tolerate” any evil they commit since these acts seem perfectly normal to them?
Neither homosexuals nor sociopaths should EVER be rejected as human beings. And their disorder should NEVER be “embraced”.
JLS – Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Tracy, the idea of Christ being in each person comes from Matthew 25:31-46. It is the underlying vision of Bless Teresa of Calcutta’s spirituality.
I just want to send a shoutout and lots of love to those with SSA. The Social Security Administration has done so much to provide an economic safety net under the least among us. I think SSA is a blessing for which we all ought to thank the everliving God that our country, in better days, embraced. God bless!
Mark from PA,
We must love our neighbors – those with same sex attraction included.
We must hate sin – sodomy included.
You never write about hating the sin of sodomy.