The following comes from an October 5 Catholic Voice article by Father Dan Danielson. This was Father Danielson’s homily, slightly edited, at Mass on June 28. He is the former administrator of the Diocese of Oakland and retired pastor of the Catholic Community of Pleasanton.
A homosexual orientation is born, not made. No one simply chooses to be “gay.” Studies have shown over and over that this attraction and orientation toward people of the same sex is not the result of particular environments or family structures. A person discovers him or herself to be “gay.” They don’t decide to be thus oriented. In our culture, why would anyone ever choose to live such a difficult life?
Being someone with a homosexual orientation, whether male or female, does not make one bad. It is not sinful or wrong. It is not a mental aberration. It simply IS.
That means that all forms of discrimination, abuse, disrespect, prejudice, hatred, insulting remarks are to have no place among us. Often such behavior really reveals the latent insecurities about the abuser’s own sexual identity.
The issue that requires us to deal with this further, is the sexual activity of people with a homosexual orientation.
Again there are some issues that need to be clarified here:
The issue of chastity is an issue every human being has to wrestle with. The task of integrating this powerful aspect of humanity into the rest of our lives is a struggle for most everyone. And who among us can say that they have always made the right decision and have nothing to look back on with some shame?
The Church believes that the marriage between one man and one woman is the best environment in which to raise children. It is the foundation of all societies in our modern world. That is why the Church has fought to maintain that definition of marriage.
But we all know of heterosexual marriages that are miserable places in which to raise a child and many of us know of homosexual couples who raise children with great love, attention and devotion. So while the Church’s teaching is certainly in general correct, it does not work out that way in many instances.
When all is said and done, no one is the judge of someone else’s conscience. And we cannot set ourselves up to judge the stable relationships of homosexual couples, whether those relationships are called domestic partnerships or marriage by our civil laws and our society.
Indeed, there are things in many of the long-term relationships that homosexual couples have that are truly admirable, as they would be in any long-term relationship — fidelity, self-sacrificing love, care in times of sickness and disability among them. These relationships are not to be simply condemned as sinful.
Excommunicate and Defrock end of story
Interesting to note that many clerics who say these things have their own struggles with authority and celibacy.
Grant and Caniusus i agree. This priest is disobedient to God and His church. His words here have separated himself from Christ and His church.
IThis priest is a highly educated articulate and eloquent speaker. I disagree with him entirely if this is true that he is Pro gay marriage or whatever. Now that I know this I would never attend any of his Services. It’s too bad because the man has got to be the most eloquent speaker I have ever listened to. Intelligent and great mind. God have mercy on his soul.
and you didn’t think of that when priests were raping children? advocating a stable relationship is worse?
Priests raping children is sinful and a betrayal of the trust people used to have in the Catholic clergy. Men sodomizing each other in a “stable relationship” is no improvement and also sinful. Why legitimize the fake solution of homosexual “marriage” and further endanger souls?
There is no such thing as “gay marriage”. It is an impossibility, regardless of what 5 members of the US Supreme Court say. Don’t be fooled into thinking this ruling changes what God intends marriage to be – the union of one man and one woman. Any variation on this is false and from the pit of hell.
Children have a right to both a mother and a father. End of discussion.
No they don’t. If they did, then a child could sue his biological parents if given up for adoption.
YFC, admit you are a homosexual, and that you support homosexual (sodomy) marriage.
Admit what? There is nothing to admit. Yes I’m gay.
“Sodomy” marriage- I’m not sure what that is. Do we also have “oral sex” marriage? Do we have “sex-with-the-lights-on” marriage? Do we have “oh please dear, I have a headache” marriage?
…….and we also have “lesbian bed death” marriage or so I understand.
YFC, you do know that certain body parts are designed by God for disposing of waist and not for what you call Love. Why would you want to test our heavenly Father at all ? Stop this insanity !!!
C&H,
You just hit my funny bone. What exactly is lesbian bed death marriage. :)
Steve … It’s something talked about among gay women when a couple loses sexual interest in each other. It’s often contrasted to the popular image that we’re all hypersexualized which is often the theme in pornography marketed to straight men … or so I understand :-)
C&H,
Thank you for the definition. :)
That doesn’t even make sense. I have a son who we adopted and he has both a father and mother.
Amen! Elizabeth. I do think, though, that some practicing homosexual men were molested by their fathers, stepfathers (more likely that their own father) or an uncle in some cases, which really messed up their minds as Mike McD has said.
It has to end someplace, though, and this man should definitely be defrocked. Can you imagine what he is telling young boys in the confessional. His own thinking is a mess, how can he help others.
The only gay men who have told me they were molested by an adult male, were molested by a priest. But to be fair, I think this notion that molestation causes someone to be gay is rather silly and completely debunked. But if you want to believe that, then I’d think you’d have even MORE compassion for them, as victims of a heinous crime.
You are right on one thing, YFC, we make the choices to be what we are, no molestation or family environment forces us to do what we do. It can affect us and encourage us in the wrong way, but the final choice is ours.
You look at things differently. I and many others see Kim Davis as the “woman at the well” that Christ forgive but warned not to sin again, and she is trying so hard no to do so. You look at her and point your finger to excuse your own sin.
….good analogy, Anne T.
And good point, YFC, regarding compassion. True compassion, however, should lead those who know and understand God’s laws and the love that girds each one to help those who are engaging in homosexual acts as a result of childhood molestation to understand that their own “actions” are those of choice. There is no need to perpetuate the crime against their own bodies as if the molestation of their past was somehow their fault. Or a part of “who” they are.
As for your focus on priests being the only ones you know of as having molested SSA males in their youth, I would suggest it is only an indication of the overt animus against priests and perhaps you identifying as Catholic that would account for your…
…. limited, if not biased, data.
Ah yes they do,,YFC but you are so lost in your sodomy you refuse to see it. The good news a schism is coming and you sodomites can have all the sins your heart desires and pretend your are still Catholic.
If a parent dies, does the child have a right to demand that the surviving parent marry immediately because he has a right to both a mother and a father? Can he sue his surviving parent for depriving him of his right to have both a mother and a father? If a parent divorces because there is spousal abuse and threats of child abuse, should the innocent parent be a party to the divorce, since the divorce would deprive him of his right to both a mother and a father?
These are questions that have nothing to do with “sodomy”. It’s just the logical extension of the claim that children have a “right” to both a mother and a father.
Oh please stop pretending ignorance. There is a vital difference between accepting the unexpected (like death and divorce) and promoting a situation where a child is deprived of a male or female parent.
Death, divorce, abandonment of a parent messes people up really badly. Having bad parents, parents who work all the time, a parent who travels all the time, alcoholic parents, rigid parents, neglectful parents, abusive parents also messes people up. Having two same sex parents messes them up too. It really seems to be, at this point, that the children of same sex parents feel so much pressure to be perfect because they know that people will blame their home situation if they are not. For adult children of same sex partners, they cite a great longing for the missing parent and loneliness and struggling to fit in to the gay mentality as problems.
Dear Rodney, These various situations now constitute 50 % of our children today. It is hardly a rarity.
Anonymous,
Your statements about some of the things that can screw up children is true. Parenting is very important yet it’s also quite difficult. As a parent of a toddler, I find that there is a very fine line in parenting between the extremes of rigidity and permissiveness. I’ve found the best way to bridge this is to give large doses of unconditional love and support coupled with discipline with love [and not condemnation]. My son is still quite young and our chapter of parenting is far from over, but a gentleman in church came over to me recently and said, “You have a very beautiful family.” Of all the compliments that I’ve received in life, this one has been, by far, the one that has meant the most to me.
Children have a God-given right to both a mother and a father irrespective of what you say YFC. That is how they were created – by a mother and a father. God said “Go forth and multiply”. That wasn’t addressed to two people of the same sex as we all know it’s not possible for two uncomplimentary individuals to pro-create. To have a mother and a father is a child’s birthright and indeed all children have a mother and a father. It is the greatest injustice to deprive a child of that right and I’m sure Our Blessed Lord is angry towards those who thwart His plans.
Canisius,
I don’t think that anything dire is going to come from the synod. But if the Pope were to do something weird, there won’t be a schism. The only exception might be the SSPX relaunch.
Steve, you really don’t understand what is going on. If the pope were to do something weird, Catholics will have to respond – and not by just saying that’s weird and then hanging around waiting for the next shoe to drop. As for your exception regarding the SSPX, that makes no sense.
Ann,
Catholics don’t consider schism because they love Christ and his Church. If you love Christ and his Church, you will not leave regardless of any heresy or foul play.
The only holy solution is to stay put, pray, love, persuade, and fight the good fight. If Jesus were to appear to you today, this is exactly what he would tell you to do. He wouldn’t ask you to leave the Body so as to help ease your pain and facilitate your pride and need for control.
Actually Steve i am hoping for a schism with the modernist liberals this way they can finally go and get what they want, the complete and open defiance of Catholic teaching. We Faithful Traditional Catholics can have the Church back, complete control and the regularization of the SSPX.
I don’t understand a catholic mentality that hopes for schism of any kind. In fact, such a mentality seems the antithesis of the very word “catholic”.
Steve,
You err. I have not left the Church. An irregular canonical status does not equate to not being inside the Barque of Peter. Even at that, I am merely a lay Catholic, not a cleric.
As for Our Lord, since He knows the Truth, all of it, He would correct your errors. I would venture that He would tell you to cease and desist abrading those already scandalized sheep who have not left the Body. He would tell you to stop negating the means He is using to uphold His Bride. He would tell you, and with utmost tenderness, to not add to the pain of your brothers and sisters by feeding your pride in extolling a false sense of superior fidelity. He would remind you, too, that you are not in control….. yet another reason for you…
… to submit to the fullness of Truth and cease telling others that they are outside the Church when that is a manifest lie.
God bless.
Canisius,
I sympathize with your desire for a more faithful Church. We share the same desire. Of note, the Church has been moving slowly but steadily in a more faithful direction since JPII.
Regarding those souls in jeopardy, Jesus calls us to evangelize and convert them. Remember, they are not the enemy: our actual enemy are powers and principalities — demonic spirits. Christ wants us to save as many people for the Kingdom as possible. I’ve known countless orthodox Catholics who used to be lukewarm Catholics and lost apostates. Someone loved them enough for them to see the truth. As a teenager, I also held many false views.
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In her long history, there has seldom been calm in the Church. The great saints of the Church did not attempt reform through schism. Even St. Paul, in his day, had to continually admonish his communities about false teaching and immoral behavior. If you walk out, you’ll have your church but not the church that was founded on St. Peter.
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Ann,
Your arguments are mostly straw men. About the straw men: a) I didn’t say that you were not in the church, I said the opposite; b) I didn’t abrade the scandalized sheep if they remain in the Church; c) I never said that I was in control. Rather, Christ is in control, thus negating the need for me to use power.
Lastly, I don’t have a false sense of fidelity fueled by pride. I speak the truth of what a Catholic is, and I speak of the scandal [not to mention the joy of the Evil One] that will occur if people separate from the Holy See. Christ did not found nor intend multiple churches. Rather, Christ calls us to be humble people of faith and love.
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Lastly, please note that there are holy and unholy ways of dealing with suffering. If you want me to join you in your suffering, I will — But not to the point of schism.
[2 of 2 – End]
Steve is correct.
Actually Steve you are wrong…we need to separate ourselves from the modernist liberals forever… they are evil people with evil intentions who have caused untold damage to the Church. No they will not convert that is obvious, they advance and cause more destruction..
Canisius,
Yes, you’re quite accurate. There are many who have done damage and we don’t have to go very far to name names. But it’s also true that God continues to draw good out of evil. Satan thought he had spoiled God’s plan by getting the Jews to execute Christ (but how did that work out for him?) With the recent child molestation crisis, a large number of morally corrupt bishops disappeared and the Church has become stronger, internally, as a result. As you know, the Church still needs to be stronger yet — a lot stronger. And she’ll respond to that call at the proper time.
I’ve a quick question: What’s the worst thing that Catholic modernist liberals do or might do that makes you yearn for schism?
Ann Malley, where did you get your information that the SSPX was in an irregular canonical situation? Were using the word “irregular” in a secular fashion?
By saying that they are in an irregular canonical situation you are saying that they have a permanent impediment to ever being in the Church.
I don’t think that is true.
Steve you asked: “What’s the worst thing that Catholic modernist liberals do or might do that makes you yearn for schism?” answer: Breath and Exist..
Steve, people are discussing the term schism because it would appear for all intents and purposes as if the Holy Father is entertaining embracing that which faithful Catholics cannot.
That is why those who support the Faith may be declared in schism. Not because they actually are, Steve, but because they would stand against the Pope’s potentially asserting by way of a misuse of authority that which goes against the Faith.
That is what people are trying to tell you. Nobody is wanting schism to break from the Holy Father and the Deposit of the Faith. This is why the comparison is made to the Arian crisis.
Steve Seitz excellent comments. You are correct! God bless you.
Canisius,
There are elements of the left that have murderous rage against the Church. I’ve seen it up close and I fear what they might do if they were to gain more power. But the left in the Church are not same: they wouldn’t try to kill us.
I don’t wish to draw this out — But what is the next thing that you fear from Catholic liberals that would cause you to leave? What is the worst thing that they could do?
Ann,
I think you’ve confused the term heresy with schism. Schism occurs only by a complete break from the Church, either through excommunication or by a person renouncing their faith.
The stiff censure of interdict, the holding of heretical views, and resisting the Pope are not schism. However, the Pope does have a number of tools with which he could retaliate if people resist. If you use the word schism in regard to resistance and heresy, you’ll create confusion and cause needless discord.
Steve, you seem to misunderstand that it is the Catholic hierarchy who is using the term schism – be it correctly or incorrectly. I understand that you desire to promote unity and the Faith, but laying the creation of confusion and discord at my feet or that of anyone here on CCD is rather looking to the stem and not the roots.
Perhaps you should write Cardinal Mueller.
Much of the confusion and crisis going on within Mother Church today is precisely because of the misuse and/or misuse of terms. So I am not creating the confusion. God bless.
….and I am heartened, Abeca, that you now agree with Steve that I am inside the Church. This is a wonderful development.
Steve again you are wrong. The Left in the Church is far more dangerous than those outside as they murder souls. The worse thing they could do is what they have been doing. Change the liturgy, change doctrine (though claiming they are not) gays in the clergy and in the Church itself. Gays are the biggest threat they need to be permanently removed from the Church. Gays clergy need to be hunted down and dealt with on all levels…
Steve Seitz pay no attention to her. She has no clue to what im agreeing with you about. Good comments Steve. She loves to argue. There is no limits to her insanity. Dont get caught up with them. But you do a good job at defending the truth. Keep up the good fight.
…..the only insanity, Abeca, is doubling down on ridiculous positions. But you’re free to do so.
Canisius / Ann,
I was quite busy this evening. I’ll be able to reply to your messages tomorrow evening.
Canisius,
You touched on one of my reasons why I dislike schism. Some in the left are very dangerous to souls (such as Fr. Danielson). This why we need more orthodox people in the Church. I worship at an ordinary parish. We’re a mix of orthodox, heterodox, but mostly under-catechized Catholics. Orthodox instruction has the upper hand but that would quickly change if half the orthodox staff/volunteers left. Conversely, if more orthodox Catholics participate in parishes, it’ll have an impact — more souls will be saved. In addition, division among the Faithful diverts our time and energy and takes us off mission.
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But if my words aren’t persuasive enough, I’ll paraphrase Mother Teresa: “Christ doesn’t ask us to be successful — He asks us to be faithful.”
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Ann,
Civil discourse rooted in truth is important both for the sake of the Church and because it reflects the virtues. It’s not defensive, it doesn’t retaliate, and it doesn’t nurse wounds. Abeca Christian inferred something that I’ve also noticed. When you argue, It often seems that you’re more interested in fighting and “winning” then in seeking truth and understanding.
If your argument is true, it’ll win on its own merits. If your argument is weak, people will see through any blustering, retaliation, or aggressive posturing.
I’ll admit that there are times that I could do better, but I always strive to be truthful, honest, logical, and accurate. Why? Because I’m not afraid of the truth.
Steve, with all due respect to your self analysis, it is not humble in the least for you to present yourself as knowing what Our Lord Jesus would say to another and then imply that said individual is motivated by pride and/or the need to have one’s own way.
You presume, Sir, and quite often. Much like Abeca does.
So while you admit to your being able to do better, you may want to start now and let others discern according to the merits of the discussion, not attempting to put words in God’s mouth that seek to support your opinion. That is not seeking to remain in the Truth, but rather seeking to assert a cloak of truth that belies reality and any civil discourse.
So you may say all you’d like that you are not afraid of truth,…
…. but your posts, Steve, reveal the opposite.
I applaud your efforts in the parish where you are. But logic, reason, and fruits underscore the blessings to be found in seeking a thoroughly orthodox venue in which to rear one’s children or save one’s soul. Not every soldier is equipped for Special Forces, Steve, and whereas you may desire that all join Special Forces, you cannot, despite your blustering of what constitutes fidelity, require the little ones to be raised in such a confusing and spiritually toxic environment.
So work in earnest where God has planted you, but do not be so bold as to intimate that He cannot use assorted means, that are not outside the purview of fidelity. Those outside the city of Jerusalem are…
… not necessarily without Faith, Steve, and are outside the city walls specifically so that they can come in, STRONG, in God’s time. Not Steve’s time.
Perhaps the reason you share Abeca’s observations is because, Steve, you are similarly blinded to your own need and determination to be seen as right in telling others what they must do. I cannot imagine what else would lead you to put words into God’s mouth on a public forum.
Ann,
I mentioned what I said earlier because Christianity is better served by cleaner, clearer discussions. In fact, I think you would make better arguments if you took my advice.
If you want a case in point of which I spoke, look at your last argument. You accused me of exactly the same things that I accused you of. You even used many of the same words. I do have faults, but what are the odds that we have the exact same faults? Or, is it that you’re merely retaliating? Another example: I don’t actually presume to speak for Christ. The technique that I used merely underscores the teachings of Christ. Do you actually think that I literally spoke for Christ as you alleged? If not, why did you allege it?
Ann,
As a side point, there is a place for FSSP and the Institute of Christ the King in the Church. I’m very supportive of them and would argue that they should continue to operate in the Church. They do very good work. As far as the young and the spiritually vulnerable are concerned, we agree that they need to gravitate to good, orthodox parishes. Such parishes exist in both the OF and EF variety.
The right to a mother and father comes from the Natural Law. True, if a mother or father dies an untimely death and the baby is denied one or the other, this right cannot then be realized. But as part of the Natural Law, it is part of God’s design and therefore intent, and for this reason we refer to the Natural Law as the Natural/Moral Law.
What you are saying is that sometimes real life circumstances intervene to change what we like to think of as the ideal situation. This is true. But it doesn’t follow that every situation that does not perfectly reflect that notion of the ideal situation is bad or evil.
It does follow that we not promote situations where the child is deliberately prevented from having the benefit of having a male and female parent. Stop putting forward such silly arguments.
What a bunch of Hateful Pederast Empowering Propaganda
Compare to a more forthright source – Tammy Bruce, author of “The Death of Right and Wrong”:
“Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that’s too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood – molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult.
The gay community must face the truth and see sexual molestation of an adolescent for the abuse it is, instead of the ‘coming of age’ experience many regard it as being.”
“Frankly, even before the depth of the Catholic Church’s problem became known, it was common knowledge that many gay men pursue sexual relationships with…
“the gay men that I know….” Is that scientific? Is blaming gays for pedophilia scientific? The John Jay study says no, it was because a lenient institution gave them haven. Do you call rape or other forms of abuse “heterosexuality”?
What you are describing is slander. And you are not the “hateful” one? I suppose we are bigots too?
JR,
Throughout my life, I’ve met many men and [especially] women who said that sexual abuse as a minor lead to homosexuality. Sexual abuse as a young minor predisposes one to all sorts of behavioral dysfunction of which homosexuality is only one effect. In fact, I met someone a few weeks ago who had been abused as a minor and, as a result, developed confusion over his sexual orientation. Fortunately in his case, his confusion didn’t lead to an actual homosexual orientation.
I don’t think he said they weren’t sinful. He said they could not be simply condemned as sinful.
This doesn’t make a whole lotta sense.
OK I get it now. Gay relations (sex ) is gravely sinful. Gay marriage (same sex marriage is gravely sinful. But this priest is saying that in the relationship (the actual day to day interaction between the two people there are elements that are not sinful).
This is the mistake. The relationship has an evil element that cannot be ignored. An adult may seduce another and the relationship may be perfectly loving and kind. A man and a woman may live together happily without benefit of marriage or a polygamist may also have great relationships with each of his wives. A Casanova may leave each of his lovers feeling like they have something special together. In Catholic morality, the quality of the interaction between the two people…
Is there any wonder why there is so much confusion in the Vatican 2 Church when the “clergy” are teaching and living heresy? And this goes all the way up to the top! Read the news this week on the Francis’ homosexual pals.
The sad thing is the foolish homosexuals are defiant just as the devil wants them to be and appeal to the heterosexuals (especially to the naïve and children) that God permits this decadent behavior which we know so gravely offends Him. They do it under the guise that God is all merciful and love, and that the homosexual life style is all about love and is OK. Well even God out of His own accord has put a limit on mercifulness and love, because God does get offended by homosexual activities. God does not have a…
Bruce, what precisely is heretical here? Please offer the quote from the article and the citation in CCC that it contradicts.
Marriage is between one man and one woman – only.
This can be found in both the Bible and the CCC.
Danielson is promoting MORTAL SIN – HOMOSEXUAL ACTS, and trying to put those with same sex attraction in the near occasion of sin (temptation).
SACRED SCRIPTURE: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9- 10;
1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
CCC: ” 2357 ……… Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.
They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.
Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
CCC: ” 2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices. ”
YFC – Grave Sins are Mortal Sins.
NOTE – – HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICES,
Stop blaming V II, because this is false. There is nothing at all in VII regarding homosexuals or heretical priests.
You will never help in cleaning up the Church when you place blame where it does not belong.
Blame Dan Danielson and his MORTAL SINS of teaching lies, and creating Scandal.
Leigh, with all due respect, there is nothing regarding homosexual sex in Vatican II documents, but there is, despite whether or not you want to own it, a precedence for ambiguity in Catholic teaching.
So until we own the fullness of the problem at hand – namely getting “pastoral” in an attempt to circumvent doctrine – there will be no cleaning up the Church. Kind of like crying over folks slipping and falling inside the house while shouting down someone who points to the hose spewing water across the tiles as a potential culprit.
Apparently Ann Malley you have not read the CCC.
This is Doctrine of the Faith which includes but is not limited to the teachings of Vatican I and Vatican II.
Go back and read, before you print falsehoods again.
God bless you, Leigh, but the only falsehood is to pretend that Vatican II documents didn’t usher in novelty. I imagine, however, that whatever nonsense comes out of the Synod, you’ll be okay with it once it finds its way into a revised CCC.
What novelty did the Vatican II documents usher in?
Please cite the document and the paragraph number so we can all participate in the discussion with the same information.
God bless you Leigh. Right on!
MALLEY stop advocating for the SSPX – even if through the back door.
Until the Pope states otherwise they hold NO Ministry within the Catholic Church.
For the Year of Mercy only – they can validly and licitly hear Confessions only.
Stop advocating stupid, MIKE, PETE, MAC – certainly not Dana – by way of false names and playing dumb. Playing dumb and plugging our ears for fear of being disobedient is what has helped land us in this current Synod mess.
If you want to continue to carry water for Judas, that is, however, your choice.
Ann Malley, there is no “precedence for ambiguity”. You just don’t like Vatican II. You find vague faults in it and with the Church as she has been governed since, but you never offer any concrete reason for leaving her in the dust. And leaver her in the dust you have, and you try to drag others into the mud with you.
Again, YFC, you are inclined to be led by what you like and attribute that quality to others. The idea that we can all just pretend all religions are equal because “man” says so sounds really nice. It just isn’t true.
As to mud, that’s your territory.
There is nothing in any VII Document that is ambiguous about the sexual mortal sins of – Fornication, Adultery, Homosexual Acts,
Pornography, or Contraception.
Ann Malley PROVE your statements otherwise by providing the name of the V II Document, and Paragraph number – or stop lying.
From now on I am going to ask you for official Church documentation, so be prepared.
….and I’m going to have to ask you for hall pass or a signed permission slip. Looks like you’re out without the keepers again, Anonymous;^)
To radical liberal/heretical/apostate clergy and laity, nothing is sinful. Not sodomy, not abortion, not contraception, not pornography, not masturbation, not adultery, nothing. The only sin to these brood of vipers is to adhere to the timeless teachings of Our Lord and His Church.
Know also this, that, *in the last days, shall come dangerous times:
Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked, without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness,traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God:having an appearance indeed of piety, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid 2 Timothy 3:1-5
THis is the typical moral relativism we’ve come to expect from the Post Vatican II Novus Ordo Establishment. This sort of neo Catholic drivel is on its way out, which is exactly why you are going to be hearing more of it proclaimed more loudly in the coming year or two–a desperate, lost, last gasp from a failed generation of clerics whose “fruits” are a decimated Church.
By using the words CATHOLIC COMMUNITY, one can automatically tell this priest is liberal and way out on left field. Practicing homosexuality is a mortal sin. Two people engaged in this sin with each other is logically a mortal sin. Just like shacking up couples commit a mortal sin, so too does anyone who is involved in any homosexual actions. This has been the moral theology the Catholic Church has taught for almost 2000 years. It also was taught by pre-Christian Jews. The priest is a disgrace and a scandal.
In what diocese is Pleasenton? I would like to send a copy of this article to his Bishop and ask that action be taken to discipline this wayward priest.
Pleasanton is in Oakland diocese (V. Rev. Michael S. Barber, bishop, now); but Danielson rose up the ranks to be a big wig in the former Bp. John Cummins regime (1977-2003), about 3 bishops ago (prior to Vigneron and Cordileone).
When Vigneron became Archbishop of Detroit in Feb, 2009, Danielson was made interim diocesan administrator—almost equivalent to vicar-bishop powers—until Cordileone was named and took over the diocese. However, his rise to fame and his many pastorates at several East Bay parishes was all under Cummins (or Bp. Floyd Begin). He was pastor at St Paschal’s in Oakland (1980-1985) and the “Catholic Community of Pleasanton” (1985-2007), which was the result of the merging of what used to be St…
Dan Danielson was pastor at St Paschal’s in Oakland (1980-1985) and the “Catholic Community of Pleasanton” (1985-2007), which was the result of the merging of what used to be St. Augustine’s and St Elizabeth Seton’s Churches/parishes—due to the vocation collapse under former Bishop Cummins, after all, Cummins being a classic, far-left progressive bishop.
I have a family member who is in St. Augustine’s and Danielson supported every left-leaning cause there. He also was pastor when somehow a same-sex marriage —several were reported by the parishioners — scheduled at St. Elizabeth’s had to be cancelled, embarrassing even Cummins. Danielson denied “same-sex marriages” were occurring — he may have called them…
..he may have called them something else, but too many parishioners said they had witnessed them.
Here is a snapshot worth noting at “CCOP’s website:
https://www.catholicsofpleasanton.org/evangelization.html
..This’ll bring’em charging in the doors..
Fr. Danielson was having gay unions blessed when I was in the parish (St. Augustine). The progressive / heretical morass we had to put up with in this parish was so bad.
1. They ‘prepared’ parents of First Communicants by having us attend a lecture from a priest operating out of the Diocese of Oakland who told belittled the story of Adam and Eve, mocking anyone who might believe it. I got up and walked out.
2. They would not allow First Communicants to receive the sacrament of Confession first, saying they were “too young” to understand the concept. Really? This is squarely against Church teaching. We took our daughter to our old parish in Orange County to receive the Sacrament of Confession, after we prepared her for the Sacrament…
Thank you, Jeremiah B, for your input. I did not want to inaccurately “accuse” Fr. Danielson of cooperating with gay marriages at St. Augustine’s, though I had been told similarly by my family member—but we know how chameleon-like persons are nowadays when called to an accounting. It appears you have direct knowledge confirming what I had been told.
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.Under no circumstances can they be…
Please finish the rest of what the catechism says, the part where it addresses the 96% of you who are not gay. It says some pretty strong things, but you all conveniently ignore what it says. You are always so anxious to put up the ‘intrinsically disordered’ language, but you pretend that the catechism has nothing to say to YOU about YOUR actions. Please complete the quote.
The difference between us and your ilk YFC is that we do not demand society or the Church bless our disorders, we carry our crosses and try to defeat our weakness. You on the otherhand demand your sins be accepted
Note that this guy does not site any specific scientific study that states “gays are born that way”. Because there is no such thing.
Even the Center for Disease Control after many years of study does not state homosexuals are born that way.
Everyone has different temptations. Same Sex Attraction (without acts) is simply another type of temptation. Temptations without acts are not sinful.
Marriage as instituted by God is only between – one man and one woman.
ALL others are called to CELIBACY, not homosexual acts, nor fornication, nor adultery.
In the USA, one may name anyone he/she may choose as beneficiary,
power of attorney for finances, power of attorney for health care, joint property ownership, executor of wills, and a myriad of other legal contracts.
One does not need to be related through blood or through marriage.
And people who take care of each other in old age do not need to be married or of the same sex, or of a different sex.
This guy Danielson (who does not deserve the title Priest) is a liar.
Leigh … Mrs Windsor and her wife Thea could have entered into all the private contracts they wanted, but the IRS still would have overtaxed her $360,000. There are many simmilar examples.
C & H, marital tax benefits were meant to help encourage men and women to do the right thing and get married before they have children, and to help them support their children. Your parents, and you their children, benefitted from this when you were growing up. Now some states have a marriage tax which discourages people from doing the right thing, and you and others would take away from children now what you benefitted from years ago. That is just plain wrong and selfish.
The Bible says “Honor your mother and father” not Susie and Jane nor Jack and Harry.
Also, in many places, when a non-married partner and co-owner of a house dies, the property is reassessed by the appraiser, meaning that if a couple has been together for 20 or 30 years, the real estate taxes might triple or quadruple or even more. Most places do not reassess the property value of a spousal co-owner.
This reply is to the posts of C&H and YFC. Not everyone is going to marry! Marriage is a VOCATION, and you are called to it, by God! It has NOTHING TO DO, with money, houses, taxes, and other material things! A married couple’s home and money– are for the WHOLE FAMILY, and CHILDREN!! One must ACCEPT THE THINGS ONE CANNOT CHANGE, and GET ON WITH LIFE!! One must STOP TRYING TO IMITATE THE LIVES OF OTHERS, AND LIVE THE LIFE GOD GAVE YOU, HIS WAY!! Better to be gay, than to have a deformity, or illness, like Autism, ALS, Alzheimer’s, Down’s Syndrome, Cancer, Muscular Dystrophy, etc. etc.!!
A person is wise to have their house reassessed as soon after a spouse dies as possible, so most people are advised.
Then contact your State Legislator regarding property assessments.
Father Dan Danielson get’s it 100% right . . . and he’s the one who needs to be excommunicated. Lol! Typical.
That’s right peter,, typical for Truth…something you know nothing about….sodomite
If you know any homosexual couples, you know that most are unfaithful and that there is an incredibly high rate of discord between the members of the couple as well as among their homosexual friends. The sexual activities they engage in are physically harmful and unnatural, to say nothing of revolting. That being said, this priest is right about one thing: we should not be rude or insulting to these people. His off-base remarks include indicating that many who insult homosexuals are anxious about their own possible homosexual attractions. I say no. We should be kind or at least not insulting because we are Christians, and Catholic Christians at that.
Maryanne … Being a lesbian myself and having been half of a homosexual couple, I have to disagree with you. Also… we ought to not be rude or insulting to anyone.
And, Maryanne, you also know that the discord in “traditional marriages” only lead to nearly 50% divorce rate. Just saying! :)
Bob One when I see comments like your I pray for complete schism with liberals like you, we do not belong to the same Church and we don’t believe in the same things. That goes for your YFC, C&H and every other liberals that is ripping the Church apart from the inside….Maybe the false clerics with give you the sin you worship and want so badly to be blessed, and then we can go our separate ways and you can go worship your false gods
Canisius, there you go again. My comment about “traditional marriages” was simply to point out that they don’t have any better results, a lot of times, that Maryanne states about gay “marriages.” There was no liberal statement involved or intended. We, as a church, need to improve the way we look at marriage, how we prepare for it and how we live it. For most of the young people to day it is not seen as important, and it should be. More time goes into preparing for the reception and picking out the dress than goes into preparing for the next fifty years. Marriage is thought of as a civil ceremony, not as a Sacrament that it is. How many weddings don’t include a Mass?
By luck, prayer and a wonderful wife, I’ve bee married for over fifty years (to the same person), and it has taken a lot of work on both our parts. But we, like many others, are the exception. Marriages that last ten, twenty or thirty years are the exception, especially the first one. As a Church people, we need to do something about how we approach the Sacrament, how we teach about it, how we reinforce it. We are very good at requiring six months of study to get married, but no support to help people stay married.
I did notice Bob One you had to put traditional marriages in quotes which explains everything…The family is under assault by forces that you would reach out and seek understanding with.,…
Bob One, there is not a fifty per cent divorce rate among heterosexuals as those figures are often skewed as they also contain those who have had multiple marriages with those who have also had multiple marriages. I know quite a few men and women who have had three or more marriages. I have known at least three people who have told me they have had seven marriages. On the other hand I know many people who have had only one marriage during their life times, and many of them are older, along with the younger ones.
Actually, as the Pope-Francis-inspired confusion of “yes-yes-no-no” (Mt. 5:37) on Catholic doctrine continues and all the birds begin singing together (like “Fr.” Dan Danielson), this is why the Michael Voris-crowd and the allied various bishops’ diocesan apparatuses are stepping up their attacks on the SSPX and various trad Catholic groups (the Institute of Christ the King and FSSP are always looking over their shoulder: their priests—privately—say so. They are particularly in a tough spot.
People see a true Catholic practice besides a false Catholic practice, and flee the false. It is happening and the bishops are well aware of it.
Steve….I follow Catholic affairs pretty well. If anything the Bishops, and most Catholics, consider the SSPX irrelevant. The TLM, often celebrated by diocisan priests, is coming back into fashon and I expect it will grow, but slowly. There never was a one-size-fits-all Catholicism and we don’t need one now.
Dec. 15, 2013, PJ McGrath, bishop of San Jose wrote a letter that was word-for-word plagiarized from a similar letter by the Bp of Covington,KY, Roger J. Foys wrote a few months before (June 7 2013), attacking the SSPX (who had just taken over the Oratory Chapel in Santa Clara, after his efforts to gain control and ownership of the chapel failed). Both letters word for word stated noted that the SSPX continues to have “no canonical status in the Church “that its [SSPX’s] priests are suspended and, as such they “cannot legitimately exercise any ministry,” and similarly that “it is “morally illicit” for Catholics to participate in a Mass celebrated by an SSPX priest and that sacraments such as penance and matrimony, “celebrated or…
“..celebrated or witnessed by an SSPX priest are invalid.” Several other dioceses (including Madison WI) have made similar pronouncements—until being completely side-swiped by P. Francis extension of faculties for the Holy Year of Mercy starting in Dec. 2015.
So, does this mean that a confession to the SSPX in November is invalid, but from Dec. 8th on, after midnight, it is valid? Isnt this the same kind of false legalism that P Francis abhors? Why don’t we all just admit: their sacraments are certainly valid, certainly more valid than those that a Dan Danielson celebrates, who hardly intends what the Church intends.
I have already written the Catholic Voice about this obnoxious article. Fr Danielson was performing gay weddings sixteen years ago – see SF Gate Jan 12 1999 article titled “Priest taken to task over gay marriages in Pleasanton”.
This is recorded history and Bishop Cummins was forced to step up after parishioners objected and the media got involved. This will all be in the Danielson file so why the current bishop allows this gay rights advocate to lecture the faithful I have no idea.
Dan Danielson was pastor at St Paschal’s in Oakland (1980-1985) and the “Catholic Community of Pleasanton” (1985-2007), which was the result of the merging of what used to be St. Augustine’s and St Elizabeth Seton’s Churches/parishes—due to the vocation collapse under former Bishop Cummins, after all, Cummins being a classic, far-left progressive bishop.
I have a family member who is in St. Augustine’s and Danielson supported every left-leaning cause there. He also was pastor when somehow a same-sex marriage —several were reported by the parishioners — scheduled at St. Elizabeth’s had to be cancelled, embarrassing even Cummins. Danielson denied “same-sex marriages” were occurring.
2 important points on this subject…..Natural Law and God gave us a Free Will..
Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and gravely depraved. Homosexual marriages are evil.
Catholic Voice (CV) identifies itself to be “the official newspaper of the Catholic Diocese of Oakland.” Should we conclude that since CV published this heretical priest’s heretical homily, that is the position of Bishop Michael Barber and, by extension, of Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone as well?
Only Bp Barber is the Bishop of Oakland.
No other Bishop has jurisdiction in this Diocese.
Contact his offce.
Dan Danielson needs to be defrocked as a heretic. Send this story to Oakland Diocese Bishop Michael C. Barber.
Ask that Danielson be defrocked, and that the Pastor of the Parish preach and also print the following TRUTH in the Parish bulletin.
SACRED SCRIPTURE: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
DOCTRINE: 2357, 2358, 2359, 2396.
Bishop Michael Barber’s email address: bishop@oakdiocese.org
Having made my Confirmation in Pleasanton I researched and took a copy of the Guide provided by the Church: “Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Person” https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
– To the Pastor, who told me that neither I nor anyone inspired by or supporting that Teaching (by Pope Benedict & Saint John Paul !!) were welcome in His Church. It was a bizarre scene, the Authority of the Pastor derives from Obedience to the Pope & Magisterium,,,
– Unless they have a different political agenda, in which case that takes precedent over all – like Banning the Picture of Pope Benedict in MHR.
Fr. Danielson is PATHETIC!! He should have been excommunicated and laicized, many years ago! Too many intellectual clergy of our modern Church, are nothing but IMPOSTERS, psuedo-intellectuals, with no morality nor integrity, nor sincere interest in Christ! They merely substitute BLIND EMOTION to defend their immature, false reasoning, “hippie-style!!” A mature Catholic understands that God loves all people, and requires CHASTITY of us all, according to our state in life. We must see the Christ in all, never the flesh, and love all, in a Christ-like manner! Homosexuality is not a sin. It is a DEFORMITY OF NATURE!! And gay sex perversions– are a MORTAL SIN!!
Our clergy have a big responsibility, to all needy children!! They must seek to ensure that all adoptions of parishioners, be to only those in true Catholic marriages, who practice their faith with love and dedication, and will bring up their adopted child in a true Catholic home, with good religious and moral instruction and practice, and lots of love! Adoptions to gays and others leading sinful lives, must be ILLEGAL, in the secular courts!!
…and lots of kids will stay in the dysfunctional foster care system.
C&H– Adoption is a BIG RESPONSIBILITY!!
Pastors don’t have that kind of power. They have the power of prayer and preaching the Word and setting good example. They have no control over an adoption.
Another problem, some people put on the great pious act when a priest is around. You can’t tell anything about a person’s life by how they behave when they are at church. We had a really pious man, father of five, knelt for communion. Took off with an old girlfriend.
Click on the whole article and read it. There is a lot more to this. the editing here makes it look worse than it is.
Leigh, Yes V2 can be blamed! V2 initiated and instituted all of the changes in the 7 Holy Sacraments. Their meanings, intentions, prayers, and form have all been changed to one degree or another rendering them virtually powerless, i.e. void of any sanctifying graces. The lack of sanctifying graces in the human race of sinners, leaves us without strength to fight temptation, to spiritual blindness, and to nonsense. Without sanctifying grace to turn us away from sin, and to ask God for His forgiveness of our sins, we are doomed to the eternal fires of hell. Find a Roman Catholic Parish that practices the unchanged 7 Holy Sacraments where sanctifying grace is still flowing from God, and you’ll be Heaven bound.
I would point out to CalCatholic readers that Dan Danielson is likely the most well-known priest in Northern California. He is active in several priest organizations and workshops, including the New Pastors Workshop which virtually every new pastor in California attends. His influence spreads far beyond the Diocese of Oakland.
This ugly piece of propaganda isn’t by some obscure priest in the forests of the High Sierra. Slapping him down for this putrid article would do wonders in reminding the progressive brethren that the election of Pope Francis and the Synod of Sodom (hat tip “The Vortex”) does not signal the start of the hunting season on the Magisterium.
Sadly, I don’t think anything will happen except for a possible…
People, ya’ll have to be PRECISE. Calling the guy a heretics don’t cut it no mo in this era of Francis. You have to identify where he is heretical, if at all.
As for me, Danielson’s main error is asserting that the homosexual orientation is born. WRONG! Neither science nor the Church has definitively said how the orientation has come about. Danielson says studies have shown this. FALSE! There has been NO conclusive scientific study identifying the “homosexual gene.” NONE! People, nail him on this if you want to have traction in your complaints.
Next, Danielson uses red-herrings throughout his writing. This is a logical flaw in reasoning, and a disingenuous rhetorical device that merely obscures the REAL POINT! He…
Jon, thanks. Please be precise. What studies have shown that it is not a trait with which one is born. Right or wrong, most of what I read says that it really could be, but the sources are not scientific. Perhaps your sources are scientific. Links would be helpful.
Bob, you’ve answered your own question.
Bob, you should be asking Fr. Danielson to be precise, not me. You should be asking him to provide you with the links to his claim that science shows the orientation is born. He is the one making a false claim so ask him to prove it! The burden of proof is on the person who is making a claim. Good luck!
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Yesterday, I emailed Bishop Michael Barber with the full text of Fr. Danielson’s homily. I asked Barber if the homily has his approval since it was published in Catholic Voice, which calls itself “the official newspaper of the Catholic Diocese of Oakland.” It is now morning of the next day: No response from the bishop.
This is one of the rotten fruits of Jorge Bergoglio, who we have good reasons to suspect was illicitly chosen pope, in violation of Papal Law no. 81 that forbids canvassing or lobbying in the Papal Conclave. https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/09/12/the-illegitimate-pope-election-of-jorge-bergoglio-as-pope-francis-was-contaminated-by-lobbying-in-violation-of-papal-laws/
sedevacantis mumblings
….did you learn a new word, Anonymous?
Actually, luvgabe’s are the “mumblings” of the scandalized. Shame on you for not exercising Christian charity and, dare I say it, a truly Catholic response. Or do you think Catholic is to belong to some preening club wherein others are supposed to be jealous of you?
No wonder folks are scandalized. If you want to chasten somebody or call them out, tweet the Vatican to get a handle on their Press Corp and PR team. There would be no mumbling if matters were would they should be.
You can’t believe everything you read on the Internet.
“Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Person” https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
“ – true mercy in the eyes of the Church consists in lovingly presenting the truth…”
Stressing the need for “clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral,” the document says,
“we wish to make it clear that departure from the Church’s teaching, or silence about it, in an effort to provide pastoral care is neither caring nor pastoral.”
“Only what is true can ultimately be pastoral. The neglect of the Church’s position prevents homosexual men and women from receiving the care they need and deserve.”
‘And we cannot set ourselves up to judge the stable relationships of homosexual couples, whether those relationships are called domestic partnerships or marriage by our civil laws and our society’ =========================================== Say what? Those relationships are EVIL, there is NOTHING good in it, because does NOT represent GOD’s plan in creation.
Jon,
The undisputed fact of the matter is homosexuality is all about behavior, nothing else! That behavior is a disorder brought on by no one but the father of deceit, Satan himself. Yes it is the devil who draws heterosexual souls into hell deceiving them that they are homosexuals, to enjoy and prefer homosexual behavior that is totally counter to God’s holy will. They are so filled with gay pride (another vice of Satan’s) they arrogantly defy God’s words, and they will burn eternally in hell without remorse and amending their behavior. Trouble is we have to many weak and politically correct church and political leaders who won’t stand up for the truth and say it like it really is, in-turn more souls will go to hell.
Questions: Why did Benedict XVIth restore the original words of consecration? Did they have a significant meaning? Did the novus ordo words used for 40 + years affect the validity of consecration? (Before V2 in the TLM, if a priest made an error in the words in the consecration, without correction, the consecration was invalid! Priests had to be very exact and careful in those ancient days as a sign of respect for our Lord and His precious words.) Could the novus ordo change in the words explain why national polls indicate 2/3rds of V2 members don’t believe in transubstantiation? If there is no transubstantiation is there any sanctifying grace? Might want to ponder these thoughts and the impacts over the 40 years — runs chills…
Harvey, did the novus ordo words used for 40 + years affect the validity of consecration? No.
Could the change in the words explain why national polls indicate 2/3 of Catholics (don’t know where you got that figure- it is actually 1/3) do not believe in transubstantiation? No.
Sanctifying grace is given in baptism.
Sanctifying grace is given at baptism, but increased by the worthy reception of valid sacraments. And whereas an improper translation may not effect transubstantiation, the effect of changing the words and changing the mass so unnaturally – that is by way of imposed fabrication, not natural development – could lend itself to unseat people’s understanding of the Faith.
Goodness knows it was jarring to be reared to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, be instructed about how one is NOT to touch the Sacred Species and all the requisite and proper honor that is due Our Lord only to be re-trained scant years later – and by means of mockery – that priests don’t like having people stick their tongues out at them. And now, children, we…
… MUST receive in the hand.
As actions speak louder than words, that spoke volumes to me. Sadly, many fail to understand that where as they believe children do not understand and hear, they very often hear everything and understand a lot more than most give them credit. That is why merely “telling” while contradicting doesn’t go over very well.
I think you are confusing sanctifying grace and actual grace.
It is not required to receive communion in the hand.
….um, no. Worthy reception of the sacraments makes for an increase of sanctifying grace, Anonymous. Your supposition that receiving Holy Communion on the hand is not required is correct. The imposition of the practice as occurred in the United States, however, an unauthorized abuse at the start, did untold damage. (….to include the ridicule of piety and suppression of the truth that one could still legitimately receive on the tongue.)
Applying an either or option to profound respect for Our Lord truly present in the Blessed Sacrament plants a seeds in the mind, friend. And not holy ones that will reinforce to weak human beings the reality of spiritual things.
You are correct. Sanctifying grace can increase with reception of the Eucharist.
I think we need strong laws, to protect children! A child deserves both a mother and a father! And they must have a strong marriage, with great maturity and capability, to raise a child! They must believe in God, and be morally sound, loving, responsible, decent people! I have been involved in animal adoptions, for a number of years– and great care is always taken, to ensure that each animal has exactly the right home! Many potential adopters are turned away, until exactly the right home is found! Checking references, homes, and later, post-adoption follow-ups, to ensure that all is well, are a common procedure. So– why doesn’t a child deserve the same? Why the immoral political baloney??
It takes a lot of maturity, to form a good marriage, and to be good parents! In today’s immoral society, I have heard of spouses who sinfully indulged in dope, online pornography, and similar sins– and then, divorces (or annulments), with the other spouse eager to protect her children. So sad! Likewise, what a HORROR, for a poor adopted child, to have to live with two men or two women, who engage in filthy, unnatural sex perversions! What a horrible betrayal, for a precious little child!! Pope Francis should be very strong, against all of these sins, and seek to protect children!!
I will say just one more thing. The root of many modern moral evils– is the lack of CHASTITY, since the brutally sinful 1960’s!! Many people have become so unbelievably SINFUL, and so SELFISH!! The Pope should sternly preach the Virtue of Chastity, for all, and warn that sexual sins are Mortal Sins– and extremely damaging!! GO TO CONFESSION AND CHANGE YOUR LIFE!! Poor little children also should never be subjected to divorce or annulment situations, in which the mom or dad– or both– are dating again– and are immature, immoral, selfish– and PROMISCUOUS!! HORRIBLE!! Pope Francis should sternly preach on the subject of CHASTITY!!
Everyone should contact Bishop Michael C. Barber of Oakland Diocese (CA) – about Dan Danielson’s advocating MORTAL SIN in his homily.
Danielson should be defrocked;
and the Pastor of the Parish should be required to have a homily on the following
and print the following in the Diocesan paper, and his Parish bulletin in entirety and verbatim. Bishop Michael Barber, Oakland Diocese; – bishop@oakdiocese.org (Include a link to this article.)
– – – – SACRED SCRIPTURE: Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7. – – – – & DOCTRINE: CCC # 2357, 2358, 2359, 2396.
As if the Bishop doesn’t know what’s in the DIOCESEAN newspaper?
We had a scandal with out diocesan paper and the bishop apologized and said that he does not see it until after it is printed.
The old and new testaments make it precisely clear that there is a sexual morality which is in the plan of God and designed into creation, and therefore reality. There is no way to interpret scripture to justify a different plan. Sodomy, along with multiple other forms of sexual expression outside of a monogamous man and woman marriage, are in conflict with God and reality. Incredibly and unfortunate perhaps for those who believe that only an act of fornication is a transgression, Jesus made it plain that lust of the mind is equal to the sinful act itself. This does not mean a temptation is wrong, and one can grow in virtue by overcoming temptations with grace. The thought is evil if we fully consent and dwell on it to varying degrees. If…
To complete the thought, if we change church teaching on sodomy, then where is the line drawn on fornication? What prevents polygamy from being justified? Why can’t three people or more love each other and be married? It was a homosexual deviant behavior that has caused substantial child abuse and scandal to the Church, covered up by weak leaders in the guise of “mercy” and has caused who knows what damage to innocent boys not to mention hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. The Church needs to spend its time on helping those who are struggling to live the teachings of Christ – not on those who want to change them.
I was deeply encouraged by Pope Francis’ stern Statements and Warnings regarding the Filth of Child Abuse (mostly Homosex Ephebophile abuse of adolescent age Boys) when he addressed the Bishops in America. Never Again!
FYI – I left the Pleasanton Parish after Danielson’s Successor turned out to have been arrested in the Boys Bathroom at a youth sports park performing a “lewd act” in front of a young undercover officer – and was Still Appointed Pastor (he has since moved on) despite complaints to the hierarchy.
To me the Worst of the Scandal was Higher Ups Covering Up for such abuse and transferring the abuser without warning – to harm other children. It showed how deeply the infiltration by small but Hyper Militant activists for…
Talked with my Parish Priest after Mass today and he actually laughed (a bit) at the political gibberish published Without Counterpoint (or even mention of Catholic Doctrine / Teachings) by insiders with Fixed Jobs at the ‘Voice’ – which like the ‘Man Behind the Curtain’ in the wiz or oz – is theirs to control and Censor.
When I mentioned Cancelling the Subscription he pointed out that the ‘voice’ Bureaucracy is Funded by a Parish Assessment and not individual sales, which explains why it hasn’t folded like so many other alleged ‘news’ papers.
Still – One would think that a passing reference to Saint John Paul !! & Pope Emeritus Benedict – and their explicit rejection of the spin provided – might have been proper in a…
You have a CATCH 22 and no win situation here because it seems the more leftist and pro sodomite you are, the more the heirarchy will stand up for you. A priest I know gave pro life homiles and was ordered to cease preaching about abortion. He also talked about pro traditional family issues and was ordered not to be against sodomites, but to preach in favor of diversity. This is diabolical disorientation.
Pilar paints a somewhat bleak picture, that is unfortunately missing another part of the ‘canvass’ – the fact that ‘We Catholics’ are being closely monitored by the Gaystapo – as they consider the Catholic Magisterium the biggest ‘enemy of happiness’ around – and this monitoring takes place at Mass Too.
Having donated a total of $200 (100 ea) to two Pro-Marriage / Proposition 8 Groups during the Successful Campaign to Re-Affirm Constitutionally that Marriage is between a Woman (XX) and Man (XY) – I was placed on the ‘Lavender Liberal Stalker List’ – a Computer Database for Retaliation by ‘happy’ activists.
They also boast of Infiltrating Mass – Not to share the Sacrament, but to record who says what about their Political…
They also boast of Infiltrating Mass – Not to share the Sacrament, but to record who says what about their Political Agendas – so when ‘Jail Time 4 Thought Crime’ hits high gear (Kim Davis was just the first of untold numbers) they will have a shovel ready list for internment in ‘tolerance camp’.
Ahem.
Everything is coming together in harmonic unity as planned by the forced abdication of P. Benedict XVI, and as planned by the Sahnkt Gallen Group.
Card. Danneels (retired Abp. of Mechelen-Brussels Belgium) cant stop smiling these days.
He predicted shortly after Bergoglio’s elections the coming big changes, even endorsed them. June 5, 2013,From the Dutch language newspaper De Tijd saying: “I think it’s a positive development that states are free to open up civil marriage for gays if they want.” And the Church itself? Right behind you, state leaders!
And there is no God?
Any baptized CATHOLIC who leaves the CHURCH must be told –
“OUTSIDE the CHURCH THERE is NO SALVATION”.
Read CCC # 846 – 848.
As others have stated: ”
“Popes come. Popes go. Church stays. We stick.”
“PERSONAL OPINIONS” are NOT worth much.
They rarely change the minds of others – who have their own “personal opinions”.
Always use official Church documentation in making your points:
Sacred Scripture; Catechism of the Catholic Church (Doctrine of the Faith);
Code of Canon Law; and other Official documents found on the Vatican web site.
(When posting provide links to documentation if possible.)
Great advice, Ed. Please pray for family members who have left the Church, and that the faithful family members will know how to advise and handle it.
Talk about the V2 implosion, you can read it here on this website, thanks to the wolves in sheeps clothing. Watch to see what the cataclysmic (not catechism) results will be from this week’s Sinod of V2 bishops. I am relieved to be in a Roman Catholic Parish that only practices tradition and doesn’t follow the mainstream V2 Church with all its heretical problems. Want to find a loving parish that really has Our Lord’s presence and sanctifying grace in all the sacraments? Find and join a Roman Catholic Parish practicing tradition. You will be relieved when you do — a great anchor off your shoulders with no more alibies, and you can shake the bad dust from the bottom of your sandals and pray to our Lord in your heart’s content. :^)
Coming next, polygamous marriages for all. Enjoy the Francis Church to the full if you can. There is no Heaven, Purgatory or Hell in the preferential option for the poor.
Ann,
Civil discourse rooted in truth is important both for the sake of the Church and because it reflects the virtues. It’s not defensive, it doesn’t retaliate, and it doesn’t nurse wounds. Abeca Christian inferred something that I’ve also noticed. When you argue, It often seems that you’re more interested in fighting and “winning” then in seeking truth and understanding.
If your argument is true, it’ll win on its own merits. If you’re argument is weak, people will see through any blustering, retaliation, or aggressive posturing.
I’ll admit that there are times that I could do better, but I always strive to be truthful, honest, logical, and accurate. Why? Because I’m not afraid of the truth.
Steve Seitz wrote to Ann…”If your argument is true, it’ll win on its own merits. If you’re argument is weak, people will see through any blustering, retaliation, or aggressive posturing.” & “Because I’m not afraid of the truth.”
Then what happened? Where are Ann Malley’s responses to Steve Seitz’s post? I thought that I had previously read responses? Please respond. Thank you.
Great answer Steve and we shouldn’t be afraid of the truth, even if it hurts or is to ugly to bear, it must be faced and dealt with. Only through prayer will the masquerading of the modern V2 magisterium be exposed, end and faithful Roman Catholics no matter how few they may be receive back their Roman Catholic Church again. To find a Roman Catholic Parish that practices the latin traditions, browse the internet for the traditio directory. You may be very lucky and find a parish in your city, as they exist in every one of our United States, Canada, and elsewhere world-wide.