The following comes from a July 21 CNS News article by Michael W. Chapman:
Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, who has studied sexuality for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “there is no gay gene.”
“Environment,” however, “is very important,” said Dr. McHugh, author of The Mind Has Mountains: Reflections on Society and Psychiatry. He also explained that the permissive sexual culture in the United States today has confused “desire” with “love,” and that homosexuality is a false or “erroneous desire.”
In an interview with Virtue Online: The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism, reporter Lydia Evans asked Dr. McHugh, “How do you view the popular assumption that science has somehow proven that sexual orientation is determined early in childhood, if not before birth?”
Dr. McHugh, who ended the sexual reassignment surgery program at Johns Hopkins because it was not helping the patients, answered, “Well, as I have said, there is no gay gene. And there are factors more influential than biology.”
“The best data, of course, [comes from the Framingham Study],” said Dr. McHugh. “If you are a man and you grow up in a rural environment, you are four times less likely to have homosexual relationships than if you grow up in a metropolitan area. That’s not left-handedness.”
“If you are a lesbian, you are much more likely to be college-educated,” he said. “That’s not something that happens at conception.”
“My point is that we now know that the environment is very important,” said Dr. McHugh.
When Lydia Evans asked about how the environment of a church, or religious-minded community, could affect people’s behavior, Dr. McHugh said, “This is the point. You’ve got to get the churches — not just the Anglican churches, but the Roman Catholics and the Presbyterians.”
“They’ve got to start talking again about their foundational opinions,” he said. “There’s an idea of there being different kinds of laws in our world: the natural law, the law of desire — but there is scriptural law that comes out of the Old Testament. And they’ve got to get all of this straight.”
Yes, and once the pseudo science behind the “born that way” fraud is proven to have been erroneous, will we be able to roll back all the misguided laws that treat homosexuality as a benign condition and treat same sex unions as equivalent to marriage?
The only basis for the cultural changes that produced same-sex marriage so rapidly was the “born that way” falsehood. When society realizes they are not born that way, that it’s not a benign condition, that it’s a pathology, will we be able to restore the natural definition of marriage in law or will cultural decay have advanced too much?
Goes to show the lack of wisdom in making sweeping cultural and legal changes swiftly. But leftists are not known for wisdom; they are known to…
The Catholic bishops will never accept this scientific news. Too many are “gay.”
And the cause for this homosexual tendency in so many clergy is the environment they have to go through to become a priest ? starting with life in seminaries . . . . A very scary thought indeed.
Having spent 5 years in seminaries and novitiate in the 60’s I can tell you that the homosexuals that I lived with in these facilities were gay when they entered or had homosexual or bisexual tendencies. Many heterosexual men left the seminary after daily dealing with this subculture (myself) or if they stayed were not ‘converted’ to this orientation.
Because they thought it was wrong, and they were determined to adhered to Biblical and Church teaching.!
Read the book, “Good-bye, Good Men,” by Michael Rose– a SHOCKER!! After the Council, the seminaries turned away good, solid, manly, orthodox, intelligent Catholic men– and deliberately changed into radical, “fruitcake” liberal, leftist, “hippie” seminaries, accepting only those immature leftist Catholic young men, who were NOT orthodox, practicing Catholics– so their superiors could mold them into “goof-ball” liberal, post-Conciliar priests!! Many also were homosexuals! There was also a big, shocking suppressed report, of homosexual infiltration into the Church, starting in the early 1960’s!
My thoughts exactly, Mike. How else do you account for the fact that so many Dioceses are pandering to the small, but vocal Catholics who are homosexual. Many of these Dioceses have programs for homosexuals that celebrate their homosexuality and seek to make them feel welcome. Sadly, many of these programs are not in keeping with Church teaching. How many Dioceses actively support Courage and Encourage, two programs in keeping with the teaching of the Church?
Dan…At any Catholic church, EVERYONE should be made to feel welcome.
But homosexuals should not be misled to think that their same-sex attraction is anything other than an objectively disordered condition.
Homosexuals are as welcome as alcoholics. Both types of people suffer from objectively disordered tendencies that grace can help to heal.
Just as alcoholics should be counseled not to drink, homosexuals should be counseled not to indulge their disordered affliction.
Homosexuality is not an addiction. Alcoholism is.
C&H, what you say is true, but if by welcome you infer one must declare by word or deed agreement with your lifestyle, that is another matter. True, Fr. Marcel Guarnizo has been thrown under the bus for denying communion to Barbara Johnson, and Father Massimiliano Pusceddu in Sardinia silenced for quoting Romans 1. It may be support for homosexuality among the bishops may reach critical mass–I don’t know. But for now welcoming cannot mean denying Christ.
Dan..If I recall correctly, Fr. G got in trouble for what amounts to pastrol malpractice..
Like Christ, Fr. Marcel Guarnizo, was persecuted, by his own!
Matthew 5:11-14 ] Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you. You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid.
Pastoral malpractice? How about active pastoring, C&H.
Sadly, the new mode of pastoring is to pretend that there is no sin, no problem, and that everything is good. That’s taking a patient’s fee while rendering zero treatment. That’s aiding and abetting. Not pastoring.
There is no conclusive evidence that there is or is not a gay gene. Period. If his “proof” lies in the educational attainment of women who REPORT being lesbian, then he is clueless about anything’s including genetics.
Steady now, YFC. This man has studied human sexuality longer, I suspect, than you have been alive. Yet you call him “clueless”? I suspect that there is more to his convictions than the proclivities of educated women.
Dan….I had to take two semesters of statistics. It wasn’t my favorite course by far but one thing I remember is that “correlation does not prove causation.” If his point is “going to college makes you a lesbian” how does he account for the fact that there were lesbians in the decades and centuries past when very few women were able to go to college. On a personal note, I was attracted to girls long before I went to college.
Thanks for the comment C&H but it is irrelevant to my criticism of YFC over his characterization of Dr. McHugh as “clueless.” By the way, i have taught stat at the college level. I was not inferring any such claim re correlation and causation. Only that 40 years of study makes Dr. McHugh a serious man deserving respect, agree with him or not.
McHugh would be worthy of respect if he applied sound reasoning to a scientific problem. Instead, he uses clearly biased reasoning to support his pre-existing beliefs rather than study the problem. For example, he cited a 2011 study of transsexuals which pointed out they had a 20% suicide attempt rate compared to 1% a similarly aged group of controls. He said this meant transsexual surgery harmed patients, though he failed to point out that 40% of untreated transgenders attempt suicide. An objective scientist looking for truth would address ALL of the pertinent facts.
I’m not sure, Dan, that your decison that he has studied human sexuality longer than I have been alive is entirely true, or even relevant.
He is not an expert in genetics. Yet he claims expertise in genetics.
He is not, actually, an expert in sexuality. He is, or was, an expert in transgenderism. There is an overlap, but not a clear expert corrallary.
And he has been retired for many years. He spouts off about a lot of things, without ever referencing any peer reviewed articles, or even his own peer reviewed research!
I owe you a debt of gratitude, YFC. I had never heard of this man until the Cal-Cath article and your disparaging comments. A simple Google search shows the opprobrium heaped on him by LBGT activists for what he has said and done at Johns Hopkins and elsewhere. Regardless of his qualifications, or lack thereof in your eyes, his views cannot be countenanced as they strike at the heart of justification for LBGT life-styles. No wonder you call him clueless. What else can you do?
This was known for years. They did not say (in article) when John Hopkins stopped their gender mutilation surgeries but I believe it was years ago! Why taunt us now with scientific proof? Hell has been unleashed by their one time ground breaking re-assignment program, now defunct. Can we sue them for all the damages that resulted from this? NOT as a group but some poor individual that was mutilated, should try. These doctor/demons served their purpose at the time. Look at what they have done from that bad seed. God deliver us from all the destroyers. Pray others don’t fall victim to the devils hoax.
To learn the TRUTH, do a search: Paul McHugh, gender reassignment
He is reviled by the Trans because of his views.
One wonders WHY our military went ahead with their recent change of allowing Trans (mental disorder + per the wise doctor) into service?
Another unintended wrecking ball from our POTUS to the country he loves so well? Wrecking ball = yes. Unintended = no.
People who grow up in rural areas understand nature and do not have time for deviancy; they have to work hard to survive getting the crops in, rounding up the animals and so forth. It is healthier as most of the “blue zones” in the world have that type of environment. Blue zones are areas of the world where the average person lives to be over ninety and in good health until death. Hard physical work, strong bodies, healthy food, clean water and a laid back lifestyle after the work is done seems to be the common thread among these people.
Anne….One of my best friends is a lesbian who grew up in exactly the kind of rural community you describe and is very proud of the values and practicality it instilled in her. One of the reasons there may be more *out* gay people in urban areas is that
it’s easier to come out in a urban cosmopolitian enviornment than a small rural one.
Also, each “blue Zone” has a common religion among their own. Sardinia is mainly Roman Catholic, they eat fresh well-cooked pork (a white meat) at times and all kinds of sea food from clean waters. On the other hand Loma Linda, California, is mainly Seventh Day Adventist. They keep Old Testament Kosher Law as far as meat, but some are vegetarians. The vegetables and fruit are eaten mainly raw or cooked al dente. None of these places are pushing for so-called same-sex marriages.
I wish I could agree with this good doctor, but I have seen for myself as a young child my friend’s granddaughter grew up to be lesbian…..she was definitely different early on, liking soccer, short hair and no frills. Her father had a gay brother and it seems to me that this is probably true of many other families….I wish it wasn’t. This little girl’s mother wanted to be a ballerina and is very petite and very female.. I have no idea what gene would make a child predisposed to become homosexual but I do believe there are a few…..even in bibical times they were there…..St. Paul talks about them often and there are references to them in the old testament…..I do agree that our soft lifestyle does influence some to experiment…
Ann Chorbi, I am old enough to have seen people change, too. I knew a man who was somewhat effeminate when he was young and a homosexual tried to pick up on him. The man dated women, got married and a different job requiring physical labor and ended up macho. I also knew a family where there were reportedly three homosexual men. One of them, who was actually in the lifestyle, molested his nephew when he was underage. The boy had been interested in girls, but later got confused, took drugs and disappeared. (to contine)
(Continued). I think in families were any type of sexual promiscuity is accepted or practiced such behavior will be more common — not always, but mostly. Children experiment with each other and can get into bad habits that are hard to break. Each child needs to have explained to him/her when they are mature enough the reasons why there are such taboos in all the major religions, and even to a certain extent in the minor ones. Cultures that no longer have sexual taboos soon die out.
What a surprise!! I am shocked, shocked I say that there is no gene to take away all responsibility of each person who chooses to engage in homosexual sex. Because that is what is at issue here — the right and obligation to commit sodomy.
What, what did you say?? Well, what do you think the Catholic Church and its clergy mean when they talk about being “welcoming” and “accompanying” and whatever else it is they say? They cheer — “bravo” per C. Dolan — for the right for you to simply continue on with you same-on-same sex. Too bad about the gene thing, though. We will have to ask the Pope about a new “exhortation” or some Zombie-Liberal appointment to his curia.
Bishops, hear that? Now please preach the truth that there is disorder in our souls, but that Jesus, the only begotten Son of the eternal Father God, can restore our spiritual health, that is save us from all sins including homosexual desires and acts.
So it really does come down to “blame the mother”, the mainstay response for years. Sometimes the simple and obvious converge!
Where do you get the idea that the mother is the one to blame? Everyone is to blame for his or her our OWN sexual sins if they have them. Others can influence us, but we make the choices.
Yes, the choices are one’s own, however the groundwork is often laid by another. Ideas and behaviors are encouraged or reinforced without a child even being aware of it.
Just from a personal perspective let me report that my earliest memories of attraction go beck to being maybe five of six and I thought the lady next door was pretty. I had my first crush on Ann in the 3rd grade. My mother wasn’t smothering, my father wasn’t weak and I was never molested. Our family is loving and traditional Catholic. Two two of my six brothers were gay and I figure about a fifth of my first cousins are gay or lesbian. I don’t think we know what causes most of us to be attracted to the opposite gender and a small number of us to our own.
Was same-sex attraction ever discouraged by your parents or other family members, or was it encouraged, or was the family neutral about it?
My parents hoped I’d be strtaight, marry a man etc. Their primary concern was whether I was really, really sure I was gay. They also hoped I wouldn’t leave the Church the way one of my brothers did. When Helen came along the accepted her into the family just like they had my sisters-in-law. When she was dying they were a tower of strength for me
C&H, so now we have read how you came to sexual sin, and since your homosexual partner has died, you have seemingly bullet proofed yourself against anyone who dares call out homosexual relations as MORTAL SIN since they would be labeled as compassionless haters.
Wow people, see how it’s done?? This is why even the clergy will not address this kind of sin. They are afraid. Sadly too, many are homosexual themselves . Recognize and avoid sin, that’s it.
C & H, everyone thinks there are persons of their own sex who are attractive. Many men have side that so and so was more handsome than they, or women tell their daughters or friends that they look pretty and mean it. You let your mind wander into the wrong territory and got hook on a vice and now you are making excuses for it. Pray for your dead friend, but please do not encourage others into such behavior.
Homosexuality is not a matter of letting one’s mind wonder in the wrong direction. I don’t know in your case, of course, but maybe you think that is what happens with everyone, but i assure you that it is not what happens with homosexuals.
I have never been involved in such behavior with another person, but I know about others who have and have read what others have written. Some of it could be hormonol changes over the years, which could be corrected if the person wanted. Some women are afraid of child birth too, etc., and do not want to get involved with men., Such behavior, especially for men, causes chemistry changes in the body which feeds the addiction. There are many causes for this type of behavior.
And you have some credentials in biological chemistry?
“YFC”, ALL sin starts in the mind, thus the need for a properly formed Catholic conscience. Doesn’t matter what sin is, one’s conscience must be Christ centered to be able to avoid sin.
“All sin starts in the mind.” Thousands of words written here, and if this had been the only statement, a lot of people could have saved themselves a lot of reading (and writing). Thank you.
Notice how the ‘anonymous’ (Paid?) Homosex Trolls seldom post about anything other than their fetish obsessions? And Never identify Who They Are!
SEE
Bathroom Wars’ Goal: Humiliate the American Normal Majority
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/23/bathroom-wars-humiliate-normal-majority/
Welcome to life in totalitarian America, where even going to the bathroom and identifying the sex of an adult have now become intensely political acts.
Totalitarianism is about the politicization of everything, and once people’s careers can be destroyed by the New Bathroom Order if they publicly object to the once-bizarre idea of men in the ladies’ room–we’re there.
Totalitarianism is about using force to gain political goals…
Yes, Killing a Conscience in Seven Steps by Fr. Dion is as true now as it ever was. My how we like to make excuses for our sin. No Mea Culpa for some.
See, you are never anymore willing to identify who you are talking to, because you are afraid to confront us head on.
I’m not anonymous, and i’m not paid.I don’t have fetish obsessions. You, might?
The reality is that every single one of us has to use a bathroom. Only people like you wan to make it a crime. What has come to us when we can’t allow people the ability to pee in a stall without making it a crime?
The ‘good professor’ doesn’t appear too well-read in current literature.
Setting aside the current peer-reviewed research, in profound irony, it is McHugh who employs the exact logical fallacy of those who argue against the existence of God as no research can demonstrably prove the existence of God.
For starters, give a read to this tiny piece of peer-reviewed research: AR Sanders “Genome-wide scan demonstrates significant linkage for male sexual orientation.”
Psychological Medicine. May 2015. Volume 45. Issue 7.
#timeforretirement
For a balanced review of this article, https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality. No “gay gene” has yet been found, but the study will go on, presumably by techniques more advanced than the genetic linkage approach used by the authors of this article. That said, the evidence adduced in the article (a possible genetic linkage to homosexuality from chromosome 8 and Xq28) will fuel the fire for this further study, and that to me seems necessary given the current debates.
With the grace of God I will wake up in the morning (Sunday) like the other members of our Roman Catholic Parish to worship our Lord in the Tridentine Latin Mass at the Liberty Station Chapel. We don’t have to worry about homosexual ministers. Our priests are very reverent towards the Blessed Trinity and Holy Family. They love the Blessed Trinity and Holy Family and have absolutely no desire to offend them.
James, I would keep such matters sotto voce.
Have you ever seen [Poulenc’s opera], “Dialogues of the Carmelites”? It isn’t good enough for the Novus Ordo Committee of Public Safety that you are removed from the Catholic mainstream. After they consolidate matters, dealing with your little group will be part of mop-up.
I know that none of our parishoners hate homosexuals, but do agree with St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans Chapter 1 verses 26-32, on how homosexuality grievously offends our loving God. Pleasing, respecting, and loving God is infinitely more important than the same for men. God comes first, and St. Paul’s Epistle is very clear. God wouldn’t create people to be sinful, to offend Him by coming up with some sort of gay gene, so the Doctor is correct. This behavioral disorder of homosexuality is all inspired by the devil.
I don;t think the field of Science has any idea, as to the true cause, of homosexual tendencies- and sientists should be honest about that! Regardless, we all have a moral obligation to God, to lead a life of Christian virtue, to always pray for pure and chaste hearts, and to seek proper help, if one has abnormal sex attractions of any kind.
Perhaps homosexuality has no physical basis, such as in one’s genetic background. Perhaps it is a psychological disorder, but no one really understands it well, and its causes. We cannot know everything on earth! Impossible! That is for God! What we need, is a strong, practical, agriculturally-based society, closer to Nature– that is based on the local community, strong family life, and good schools and churches– with everyone practicing Christian morals! Christian morals includes love of neighbor as oneself, non-discrimination, and to help those less fortunate. Our Church should be a strong supporter of Christian morals, and help the “LGBTs” with many Courage groups.
The churches all should preach HUMILITY and strong self-denial of sinful tendencies, and to practice virtue, at all costs! YOU HAVE TO DO IT!! That means, you HAVE TO PRACTICE LOVE AND NON-DISCRIMINATION– AND– YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE MORAL VIRTUE!! AVOID THE OCCASION OF SIN, DO LITTLE ACTS OF SELF MORTIFICATION IN REPARATION FOR SIN– and PICK UP YOUR DAILY CROSSES AND GO! A “Cross-less Christ,” is no Christ at al!! We will never make it to Heaven, on self-indulgence of egoism, and indulgence of sinful tendencies of the flesh! The task of the Church, is to restore all things in Christ!
Christ could reap a great harvest for Heaven, if the churches all could get their members to practice self-denial of the ego and the flesh, and submit to God! Both the selfish bigot who persecutes others, and those with inclinations to commit acts of sex perversion— should practice self-denial, prayer, and mortification, and submission to God — and with the grace of God, they all would be freer of sin, closer to Christ, and ready someday, for Heaven! A big problem, turned into a wonderful thing! “Felix culpa!”
Well, I wouldn’t go that far. There is some evidence for genetical causes. and there is a LOT of evidence that it has physiological manifestations that are not simply in the head – or – as you like to say – psychological.
No one, after all, understands why most men are attracted to women or why most women are attracted to men. It would be sort of jumping the gun to say that that attraction is purely a psychological disorder, now wouldn’t it?
And if you want to be agricultural based – perhaps you should move to the corn belt, and grow your own cherries and tomatoes, and stop pretending that agriculture isn’t also now mechanized beyond recognition, and when laborers are involved, they are probably not more than 1 generation in the…
YFC– the psychology of man-woman attraction, and procreation– is NORMAL, don’t you think?? And agriculturally-based societies are more NORMAL– than human beings crammed into dense, unhealthy urban areas, where they never see a tree, a flower, or anything natural! In some cities, I have read that grocers may sometimes lack a healthy supply of fruits and vegetables! And YES– those big mechanized agriculture companies are HORRIBLY DESTRUCTIVE!! They wreck the earth, too! And there is lots of literature, about the importance of eating non-GMO foods!
YFC– why, exactly did you state, in your second paragraph– that “attraction is a purely psychological disorder”??? You said that, after saying that no one really understands why most men are attracted to women, and most women are attracted to men. But isn’t that NORMAL?? The reason that Mother Nature instills this attraction, is so that God can make a baby!! That is really at the heart of the matter!
This man has obviously been a friend to the LGBTQ/GLBTQ community. He performed sex change operations and has made the study of sexual disorders his lifes’ work for 40 years. He is a true expert. None of us are as close or know as much as this doctor. He has seen and studied these matters after the dust has settled. He has seen the ‘crack ups’ created by the disordered mind. Listen to him. Search for his name on the net as the man is world renown. He has a lot to say to those that will hear. Pray all that need to hear, listen. Pray!
The deliberate censorship of different (Pro-Catholic) viewpoints and facts from ‘Academentia’ is necessary, lest politically un-good information reach the masses (including students – who must regurgitate such bile to graduate); who might not Vote as told by the radical homosex hate machine – aka Gaystapo.
How ‘catholic’ (Small ‘c’) colleges have been taken over by the most some of the vile and hateful Misandrists around – only shows that they Can Compete with the public ‘education’ system – at least when it comes to hating the Church and its Wise Moral Teachings.
The Shame is not just in giving a platform to such Hate at a Catholic School – but in cravenly failing to provide Positive Counter Arguments and Speakers.
But…
Oh-oh, McDermott, you are going to get a full-blown double-latte fatwa coming your way for your manifestly heretical position.
The mullahs of Bagdad-by-the-Bay are displeased with you.
“Almost without exception, the gay men I know (and that’s too many to count) have a story of some kind of sexual trauma or abuse in their childhood – molestation by a parent or an authority figure, or seduction as an adolescent at the hands of an adult.
The other reason actually discussed in the community is that, because of the Aids crisis and the emergence of drug resistant strains of contagions like herpes and gonorrhea, gay men are compelled to seek new, untouched young men.”
The gay community must face the truth and see sexual molestation of an adolescent for the abuse it is, instead of the ‘coming of age’ experience many regard it as being.”
Tammy Bruce – ‘The Death of Right & Wrong’
Speaking of Sodom by the Sea – No Studies of Identical Twins show ‘happy jeans’ – although Enrique Pearce & Larry Brinkin show similar ‘moral turpitude’ if not fortitude.
BTW – Ran a search and No Stories on Political Insider Pearce since Last Year, though Brinkin’s 100% Apologist / Hater of Men T. Sparks did get promoted – after settling the Discrimination / Harassment Lawsuit Against Him
San Francisco’s Gay Icon Larry Brinkin Guilty of Felony Child Porn Possession
https://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/san-francisco-s-gay-icon-larry-brinkin-guilty-felony-child-porn
&
SF government again rocked by child porn scandal
https://cal-catholic.com/?p=18580
“Longtime San Francisco political consultant Enrique Pearce’s…
Campion,
Have faith in God! All of the devils in hell and on earth cannot overcome Holy Mother the Church where the true Roman Catholic Faith of our ancestors is practiced. Our Lord said the ‘The Gates of Hell will not prevail against Her’ and that He would remain with Her until the end of time’. His promise holds true even if by the Great Apostacy now going the true Roman Catholic Church evaporates down to one last valid Catholic priest and parish!