The following comes from a Sept. 15 posting on Secular Pro Life.
Today’s blog post focuses on the perspectives of LGBT pro-lifers. We interviewed four pro-lifers who identify as follows:
Deanna Unyk, a queer atheist.
Nate Sheets, a gay atheist.
Albany Rose Saindon, a pansexual atheist.
Rachel E., a bisexual Roman Catholic.
….How would you describe your own position on abortion? How long have you held that position and how did you arrive at it?
Deanna: I would describe myself as pro-life, because I believe most forms of abortion ought to be illegal. Until about 6 months ago, I was pro-choice and I wrote a blog called “Restringing the Violinist” where I focused on defending bodily rights arguments. So I’m pretty new to the movement.
I’ve long thought that unborn children are valuable human persons, but I remained pro-choice because of my view of bodily autonomy. Changing my mind took time and involved many different factors. I still believe that women have the right to refuse to allow other people to use their bodies as life-support. As a result, to me, abortion is an issue that involves a conflict of rights: the mother’s right to refuse and the unborn child’s right to (a) not be killed and (b) not have his or her bodily rights violated by being dismembered.
When I was pro-choice my view was similar to David Boonin’s view in his book A Defense of Abortion. I believed abortion did not violate the right to life of the unborn child because I believed (and still believe) the right to life does not include the right to use someone else’s body to survive. However, I also believe the right to life does include the right to not be killed, and most abortions do actively kill the unborn. Thus, abortion does violate the unborn’s right to life in most cases. Additionally, in surgical abortions the unborn child is often dismembered, and I think bodily rights should really include the right to not be dismembered. In the end I couldn’t justify legalized abortion to protect the mother’s bodily rights when the bodily rights and the right to life of the unborn child are violated during an abortion.
Even then I didn’t immediately convert to the pro-life side. Being pro-choice was a big part of my personal identity. I identify as a liberal person. But what kind of liberal is against abortion? I think I had this fear in my mind that there wasn’t a place for a queer atheist in the pro-life movement. I think deep down I worried that if I wanted to be active in the movement I would have to be surrounded by a bunch of religious old men that would constantly harass me to convert or tell me that my “lifestyle” makes God want to vomit.
So, in addition to the pro-life arguments, my friendship with Josh Brahm was also instrumental in my conversion. Josh and I had been friends for about a year and he remains one of the kindest and most open-minded people I know. Being friends with Josh helped break down the pro-life stereotypes in my mind. Although he never told me explicitly, I knew that I would have an ally in the pro-life movement who would love and accept me for who I was. So I ended up “coming out” again, this time as a pro-lifer.
Nate: I have a very conflicted opinion on abortion. The issue is framed so there’s a dichotomy between a woman’s bodily integrity and a fetus’ right to not be dismembered. I am conflicted because I believe strongly in both, and yet there often seems to be an impasse between the two. To me, abortion addresses the issue of bodily autonomy, but in all the wrong ways.
I used to have a more typical pro-life stance, but now as an atheist and lover of science, my position is much less firm as I see all of the grays that this issue presents. In many ways, I do not blame a woman who gets an abortion because, at least on the surface, there appears to be no alternative that will not ruin the woman’s life. People do what they feel like they have to do. Pro-lifers try and present other options, but the pro-choice movement also works with a different agenda.
But, when push comes to shove, I simply cannot fathom the logic that leads people to be okay with dismembering a fetus. As a society, we should be beyond this–we are killing our own children, with the excuse that they are occupying our space? Who the hell do we think we are?
Albany: When it comes to abortion I am no exceptions Pro-Life. Outside of ectopic pregnancies, which most pro-lifers I know do not consider abortions, I do not agree that a situation can justify taking an innocent life. I have held my pro-life beliefs for almost three years now, after being pro-choice for almost my whole life before converting. Shortly after turning 16, I was coerced into an abortion, which lead me down a destructive path and ultimately made me feel like I had to be pro-choice to justify what I had allowed to happen. I ended up becoming pro-life after seeing the ultrasound of our first daughter. Her heartbeat, her little movements, it was like everything I had believed prior about the fetus and abortion came crumbling down all around me.
Rachel: I was raised in a pro-life family, and I don’t know if I ever had any sort of eureka moment. I think as I got older, my views became more mature and nuanced. I learned about the larger complexities of the issue. I certainly believe that when I started blogging about the issues my views became much more firm and I was far more knowledgeable about abortion and the pro-life movement in general.
Have you interacted much with the overall pro-life movement (e.g. walks, rallies, meetings, protests, political activities, sidewalk counseling, pregnancy centers, etc.)? If so, how has that gone? If not, why not?
Deanna: In the time that I’ve been pro-life I’ve gone to the Alberta March for Life and I went to an apologetics seminar put on by the Canadian Centre for Bioethical Reform.
The March for Life made me feel somewhat alienated. I wore a shirt with a short pro-life argument on the front and “Atheist for Life” on the back. Most of the speakers were quite religious and a number of them said things I really found offensive. For example, one of the first speakers (I believe he was a priest) said something along the lines of, “The pro-life position is religious in nature, so in order to recruit people to our cause we need to work really hard to convert as many people as we can!” The most disheartening part about that statement was the thunderous applause it elicited from my fellow pro-lifers. Another speaker said something like, “Concepts like the right to life and intrinsic human value are grounded in Christianity, so we can’t appeal to them when talking to secularists.” Towards the end of the rally they included about 20 minutes of a Ukrainian Catholic mass (translated to English).
In some ways this March was pretty difficult for me. I see religion and sexuality as somewhat connected. A big part of what made coming out as queer difficult for me was my parents’ reactions, and their reactions were grounded, at least partly, in religion. So religion in general, and the Ukrainian Catholic faith in particular, can trigger my anger over unfair judgment toward my sexuality and fear I once had that God hated me. It was already difficult to be new to the pro-life movement and not having anyone in my city to go to this pro-life event with me. To then be surrounded by triggers and to see speakers act as if pro-lifers like me don’t exist made the experience even more exhausting.
However, the March for Life wasn’t entirely a negative experience. A man behind me saw my shirt and went out of his way to tell me that he was glad I was there. One speaker mentioned the importance of including secularists in the movement and trying to appeal to them. I was also texting Josh at the time and he was very encouraging and he seemed to be excited that I was already getting involved in the movement. I was also encouraged by the number of young people who attended. A girl, who appeared to be in high school, gave me a sign that looked homemade and read “A Person’s a Person No Matter How Small” and I held it up while I longboarded alongside my fellow pro-life marchers. I was also invited to go to an apologetics seminar put on by the Canadian Centre for Bioethical Reform, which was exciting for me.
A few months after the March I ended up attending the seminar. This was a much more positive experience for me. The speakers were extremely gracious and they emphasized the importance of finding common ground and treating pro-choice people with the respect that all persons deserve. It was also secular, which I appreciated. The tone of the seminar leaders was incredibly kind. I like to say “they oozed kindness” but oozing is clearly the wrong word. I disagreed with some of the arguments they taught, but I did learn a lot and it was helpful just to be surrounded by like-minded people who are passionate about helping others.
Nate: I have not participated in a mainstream pro-life event for several years. As an atheist, I don’t want to feel like I’m at a church service. As a lover of science, I get frustrated with how many pro-lifers say “We have science on our side!” when, in reality, the majority of them have little understanding or interest in “science” beyond some fetal developmental milestones. The irony of the religion with the science rhetoric being all in the same place is too much. So I don’t participate in the mainstream movement, but I currently admin a large Atheist/Agnostic (and LGBT-friendly) pro-life group on Facebook. [If you’d like to join this Facebook group, please read the About section first.]
It is also difficult to participate in one issue with a group of people who you know fight against you on another. In some cases, anti-LGBT rhetoric peppers the conversations at these events. Pro-lifers have this idea that the Right to Life trumps everything else, so any other conflicts are considered secondary. But the fact is, my equal rights and protection under the law are important to me, and to have people who claim to stand up for the rights of “everyone” (meaning, fetuses) while they have disapproval in their hearts and discrimination in their votes against people like me is not something I can easily get past. Thankfully, I am seeing more and more pro-LGBT pro-lifers these days.
Albany: The greatest interaction I have in the pro-life movement (as I’m a stay at home mom with few ways to travel) is that I have become a YouTube vlogger. It has allowed me to reach tens of thousands of people all from my own home. I did participate in one walk for life here in Denver, but truthfully it was disappointing. Right after I told my story and shortly before we began the walk, speakers starting talking about traditional marriage and, “don’t forget to vote against [a marriage equality] bill.” It was disheartening how they so easily shunned people at an event that had nothing to do with one’s sexuality. The pro-life movement should be about coming together to protect life and should not be used as a billboard for other beliefs. I do enjoy, however, going out to the Planned Parenthood in the next town up and holding a sign that reads, “I Regret My Abortion.” While there are negative comments, the overall reaction is positive, and it is clear when it makes someone think.
Rachel: My first activism for the pro-life movement was when I was about seven or so. My mom brought me to a “rosary rally” event, and we passed out the “precious feet” pins and bumper stickers. Right now my biggest activism is done through my blogging on Tumblr. I’ve got about 1,095 followers now. I’ve been to the March for Life in 2013, and over the summer I had an internship with Life Matters Journal….
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Many people encountered in pro-life discussions are not Catholic, or Christian, or Jew, or Muslim. As with Deanna and Nate, a number of agnostic/atheists are strongly pro-life, whether for biological, political, or “human kindness” reasons. The “right to kill” brigade simply lacks any emotionally compelling, or intellectually honest, support — except one: the right to unfettered, unrestricted sex. That is the nub of the “freedom” so ardently fought for and defended by abortion-rights people. No “slavery of women” and no “control of my body” theories work, if fully and honestly constructed. And, of course, the other hidden engine behind abortion is the knowledge, and hope, that minority women will avail themselves of this “right” much more than white women. As the CDC “Abortion Surveillance report” (2010 — do they put these out anymore??) suggests, blacks make up a bit below 13% of the population yet account for about 36% of USA abortions. Bingo — genocide masked as “reproductive rights” — a health care issue. Margaret Sanger -wherever she is — is very proud. Put another way, no one except those who: (1) want the right to unfettered sex; (2) are intellectually dishonest; (3) lack Faith; or, (4) who wish harm to minorities, favors abortion rights. One wonders, looking at the growth in anti-abortion believers among the young, why the Catholic Church leadership seems to have moved even further away than ever from demanding an end to abortion? The reason is that they do not really care about it, beyond a few bishops now and then posturing by saying a prayer or two in front of abortion providers (although some, a few, are most ardent in their opposition and act accordingly). What about Cardinal Bravo-Chuckles of NYC? Or DC’s Cardinal Wuerl? Nope, just handing out communion wafers to the abortion rights leaders like Gov. Cuomo, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, and many others — just like Halloween candy. Canon Law may as well not exist for these failures, especially Canon 915. Wait, wait, what did Cardinal Big Boy say? That the culture wars are over!! That the Church now trusts its bishops to act appropriately?? Hahahaha.
“Truth lives!” said Christmas Past. Pray that these people who have grasped a piece of the truth about life and family will be inspired to embrace the rest. Let the rest of us show them a little patience (with firmness) as the Holy Spirit does His work.
More great news for the pro-life cause.
I will now stand aside for those who wish to sully the surprising common ground with tales of these individuals failings and how their ““lifestyle” makes God want to vomit.”
Brian S.: Their gay “lifestyle” DOES want to make God vomit!! Just because they are pro-life doesn’t mean that they can get away with committing other mortal sins. That is like saying that I rob banks but that is ok because I go to church on Sunday and give to the poor. Wow!
Nobody gets away with mortal sin.
Gays should be pro-life for the simple fact if they believe that 10% of the U.S. population is of their orientation, then they would not believe in the killing of any baby because they would in fact condone killing babies that are gay. The same goes for “so called feminists” who love abortion, yet they are killing female babies.
To wit: Sex-selective abortion today means sexual orientation-selective abortion tomorrow.
Their self proclaimed sexual identities reveal a confused state, however their pro-life views show a desire to still be connected to the Church. They are not completely lost, just looking for a lifeline to bring them back to God.
It would seem as though being against killling innocent babies is an area where any thinking, caring person could come to an agreement! People who push abortion, force it on an unwilling populace, demand it as a right, attempt to humilate and procecute those who are against it etc. should be utterly shunned. They should be in rehab or mental institutions as enemies of a sane society and have to register their names and addresses when they move and be on some sort of medication that reduces their danger to children…especially those yet to be born! Why are they even allowed such a public platform, let alone be the ones in control?? There is ALWAYS hope for them through the power of the Holy Spirit and I thank God for each person who has been saved from this dark madness. Our society will continue to fragment until abortion is forever forbidden. It is often a matter of taking baby steps to begin seeing the ‘whole picture’…maybe it just begins with seeing the beauty and wonder of creation, in the precious dimpled hand of a baby, the wonder of meeting Jesus in the face of a saint…but whatever it takes for God to move in their hearts, I’m all for it and would be the LAST person to condemn them! Call it false compassion if you want, but I know what it is like to have been away from Christ and the last thing you need is to have a self-righteous person condemn you because you’re not perfect at the moment. As I’ve said before, we’re all works in progress. Do you want to be the stone that causes someone to stumble?
I am glad she is PRO-LIFE…hopefully she will become anti-gay romance, ie same sex relations betwixt men and men and women and women…it becomes redundant and so absurd dealing with YFC,Jon, Anony, concerning the gravely sinful behavior in same sex relations…these men are not confused, they know the truth of the matter….as everyone knows adultery is a mortal sin, so is sodomy…it is clear, crystal clear, a point of fact, without equivocation…the Church is clear in it’s prohibition of these activities…their is no ambiguity…none of these men can claim ignorance concerning this behavior, and it’s ultimate and eternal ramifications…
Insanity and the devil reign in the hearts and minds of many.