Bishop Joseph Brennan with the Diocese of Fresno is calling on Catholics to wait– and not jump on the COVID-19 vaccine bandwagon.
“I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade,” Brennan said Wednesday. “But from my point of view, a Catholic point of view, some [vaccines] could be truly problematic on an ethical, moral level for a Catholic Christian.”
Brennan says he has some real concerns over how the vaccines are being developed — and tested– and he’s calling on people to do their research, too.
“I won’t be able to take a vaccine, brothers and sisters, and I encourage you not to, if it was developed with material from stem cells from a baby that was aborted or material that was cast off from artificial insemination,” he said.
His words come as the race is underway to test and mass-produce a safe, COVID-19 vaccine, in what’s known as “Operation Warp Speed.”
Bishop Brennan, who oversees a Diocese with 1.2 million faithful across eight counties, emphasized he is not against vaccines. “In a sense, I’m putting it out there that maybe we need to slow down this warp speed, this frenetic pace, and do good science because I don’t know if good science is hasty,” Brennan says.
When asked whether waiting could lead to more lives lost to the virus, Brennan said, “That could happen. And there again, of course, we all want health for ourselves and for others. We want to promote that, but never at the expense at the life of another. We can take life to defend ourselves if it comes to that, God-forbid, we have the right of self-defense, even to the ultimate degree. We don’t have a right to preserve ourselves, self-preservation, we don’t have a right to take someone’s life to make my life better, healthier, or to potentially prevent my getting a disease. It can’t involve the loss of a life of another.”
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Good for Bishop Brennen, but when is the “fake news”, like CNN, MSNBC and other local new channels going to announce this and finally tell the truth instead of using the euphemisms (another form of lying) “pro choice” and “women’s health care”, when the choice is to rip apart or burn to death the child in the womb, and it has nothing to do with either women’s or children’s health care.
“I don’t know if good science is hasty”? I have an MS Chemistry and science moves a lot faster than before because we have more scientists with better instruments in more rapid communication with one another than in the days of Salk and Sabin. It’s no longer Dr. Zoltan in his private laboratory peering at his test tubes over an alcohol burner. The bishop may have an argument with the Moderna vaccine (although other Catholic websites like CNA dispute his assertion), but worrying about the “speed” of modern research makes hm sound ridiculous.
Tom – You make some good points. However, it’s not really a question of how fast the science “goes” if the overall scientific method (Trial and Error and Re-Trial) are followed properly. I would argue that the issue is understanding the source of this vaccine as a Catholic. As you note, there are different opinions. And, it is a challenge for the Catholic layman to understand, I say this as someone with a 30 year old BS Biology. I classify myself as a layman at this point.
Seperatly, Robert Oppenheimer unavailable for comment on the morality and responsibilities for those who make those scientific discoveries.
You first, vaccine guinea pigs.
In a way, this is very strange. The Media keeps stressing the large number of people getting cv at present. That means they are now immunized, and won’t get cv in the future. It also means the pandemic is in it’s later stages, and is dropping to baseline conditions, since more and more are now naturally immunized. This is shown to be in fact what is happening, since actual data from CDC shows mortality from all causes has been, starting in September, and continuing through October, at the average expected level, around 56,000 deaths per week. This is not what the Media continues to portray.
It’s a faux-demic and your gut is telling you so.
Archie, what is your definition of a faux-demic? Do you mean that hundreds of thousands of people are not being infected, not filling our hospitals to staff capacity, not dying faster and at a greater percentage than most other nations of the world? Do you mean that because the US has 25% of the world’s case that we really don’t have a pandemic? Did you believe that all of the cases of the virus would stop occurring on November 5th? How do you define “faux?”
Bob One: Testing positive for cv does not, repeat not, mean that person will die. Also, it means possibly the disease occurred in the past, and is now over. Repeat: Testing positive for cv does not mean that person will die or have to be hospitalized. The media implies that this is actually the case – you will be hospitalized, or die. More and more continual scare tactics, and false dire, predictions.
Once again, go to CDC, and check out their data and statistics. The survival rate for most cv cases is 99% or better, for the young… and up to the 70s. Also, CDC shows that the US statistics for “Weekly Deaths from all Causes” (not just cv) but for all causes, is now at the average weekly value, around 56,000. Also, the baseline death rate before the start of the Pandemic, in February, was flat at 58,000, which is where it was recently, in October, after the Pandemic peaked, and then fell. The media keeps ignoring this data, and continues with the scare headlines. Isn’t there anybody in the media, who can conduct research into data, and do it fairly and competently?
It is agreed that cv is a problem that needs continual close inspection, but this means there should be objective and balanced discussion of the data, which is lacking now.
And there is a severe problem with this lack of integrity.
More and more, the media cannot be trusted, with even the simplest problem.
Bob One it scamdemic being used by people (leftist) to control those who will not do the will of the Left. You will gladly shut down business and watch people die of illnesses for more serious than this scamdemic. We are all about to lose our freedoms forever in the name of more government control
You can get Covid-19 more than once.
Wrong again anonb. There is no baseline in sight. We are not nearing any kind of herd immunity. Cases are escalating rapidly. Here is the way the CDC puts it:
“Key Updates for Week 46, ending November 14, 2020
Nationally, surveillance indicators tracking levels of SARS-CoV-2 virus circulation and associated illnesses have been increasing since September. The percentage of deaths due to pneumonia, influenza and COVID-19 (PIC) increased throughout the month of October. Both COVID-19 related hospitalizations and PIC mortality for the most recent weeks are expected to increase as more data are received.”
YFC It’s all in the way that this is being discussed. So lets visualize this instead – picture a balance beam. The right pan has two piles on it, one pile for PIC cv, and one pile for all other deaths. The left pan is the total weight of all deaths combined. So what is happening? The medical community is taking bits of other deaths from the one pile, and adding them, to the PIC cv pile. But, they are on the same pan. So the result is that the total weight remains the same, that is, Total Deaths from all causes remains the same. And, the CDC data shows that Total Deaths from all causes is now at the usual level for this year, around 58,000 – which is the baseline.
You are not correct. You can visualize all you want but if you visualize the wrong thing you get the wrong conclusion. Deaths aren’t taken from one pile and put into another pile as in a zero sum game. Deaths by COVID are on top of the deaths due to all other causes. Please tell the truth.
According to the CDC: “Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19.”
A case does not mean a death. Dial down the fear mongering.
No one said that a case equals a death.
But about 1.2% of cases result in death, 5% of infected elderly will die. And among those who get sick, 10-20% will end up in bad shape in a hospital, and many many of those will have long term damage to their lungs, heart, and other organs. Dial up reality.
The reality is that the majority of those who test positive do just fine. Your reality needs to meet the facts.
Packaging of AstraZeneca Covid 19 Vaccine states that the Vaccine contains the cells of aborted male Caucasian babies
Anon, that is not true. The Astrazeneca vaccine is not made with aborted tissue: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/18/facebook-posts/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-does-not-contain-aborte/
but it seems to be made from the aborted Caucasian male cell line, and once you open that door it never ends. Other babies of other races have been and will be used. China case in point. As it says in the book “Abortion the Silent Holocaust”, “If doctors will take money to kill a child in the womb, when you are old and no longer “useful” to society, they will take money to kill you. The problem is the “euthanized” are getting younger and younger, so no one is really safe any more.
Such a “brave new world”, not. You can have it, if you live long enough.
No that is not correct. The vaccine is not made from aborted cell line.
I do not see anything on the Children of God for Life about the Astra Zenica vaccine yet, but if it does contain MRC-5, it will eventually show up there. Several other vaccines are listed on that website that do contain, or used used that cell line for experimentation. Vaccines can be made ethically without using that cell line.
Question: could some adult volunteer’s skin cells, etc. be used for experimentation?
By the way, the Children of God for Life IS NOT the same as the Children of God cult of the Charles Mason decades.
To make things clearer, the Anon post Nov. 22 at 10:32 am was mine — Anne TE
The Children of God website does report all the ethnical and unethical COVID 19 vaccines if one clicks on their list for vaccines, and then clicks on the “COVID 19 Development list”, and Astra Zenica and several others are listed under “Produced with or Contains Aborted Fetal Cells”.
Got it all printed out. I suggest faithful Catholics print it out too if though it is from an Evangelical website. I will look to see if the Catholic Children of God website has all this info too. I do not think it contains actual fetal cells but it is from the aborted cell line, and i would not take it. Once you open the door to such things, they are never shut and just get worse and worse.
This post, Nov. 22 at 10:18 a.m. was mine too. — Anne TE
The Charlotte Lozier Institute reports that Astrazenca & Univ. Oxford, and Janssen & Johnson & Johnson vaccines contain HEK293 and PER.C6 respectively, which are from the aborted stem cell line. Catholics cannot use. End of discussion.
Does anyone honestly believe that Bill Gates and the trillion dollar pharmaceutical companies are going to be honest and tell us what is truly in the vaccines we the common people will be forced to take vs the vaccines that the elites will get. The vaccines that are coming out are not going to be an option for most of the commoners, health care workers, elderly, children, disabled people, first responders and and out military. We the people are pons in this spiritual warfare game we call life. If I didn’t have the Lord’s word for comfort and security I would be completely lost and hopeless.
Carla they are going to be honest because they have to be honest to comply with the law. On the other hand, bearing false witness is, last time I checked, a violation of the commandments, and if your words keep people from getting an ethical life saving treatment, then you have further endangered your soul.
You migth want to look at the plank in your own eye Anon. There is nothing in Carla’s comments other than natural skepticism about the healthcare industry. She clearly states looking to God for comfort. Nothing wrong in any of that.
Anonymous @t 8:27am, you are terribly judgmental, and without reason. Just appreciate Carla finding comfort in the Lord during this storm.
Ah yes of course. I forgot that calling people liars isn’t judegemental, is it?