On October 4, 2012, accompanied by 40 bishops, His Excellency Salvatore Cordileone was installed as the ninth Archbishop of the Archdiocese of San Francisco. The ceremony began with a stately procession around the cathedral. After the bishops reached the sanctuary the Most Reverend Carlo Maria Vigano, Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, began the installation. He called for the reading of the letter from His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, which officially installed Cordileone as Archbishop. The letter was read by Monsignor C. Michael Padazinski, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of San Francisco. The Mass then began.
When the time for the homily was reached, Archbishop Cordileone began with the words “Francis, rebuild my house,” and recounted the challenges the church had faced at the time of St. Francis. He noted that the command was to “rebuild,” not to build something new, and that the foundation of the Church are always sound. Francis “…didn’t make a new church, he repaired the old one. He built upon it.” He noted that Francis’ answer to the trouble of his time was holiness. The Archbishop stressed that the rebuilding of the house of God always begins with each member of the Church rebuilding him or her self—turning back to God. He spoke from his own experience, including his recent arrest for driving under the influence: “God has always had a way of putting me in my place,” he said. “With the last episode in my life, God has outdone Himself.” His Excellency urged a renewal of devotion: Eucharistic adoration, frequent confession, and especially daily prayer of the rosary.
The Mass ended the recessional hymn “Lift High the Cross” roared out by the faithful. Some of the congregation rushed up the aisles to be close to the new Archbishop as he followed his brother bishops back to the sacristy.
Protestors had planned to disrupt the event, but their efforts were barely noticeable. They were few, and vastly outnumbered by young people from the Archdiocese, who did not have tickets to the installation. They showed up anyway on Geary Street, in front of the cathedral plaza with signs, guitars, and rosaries, expressing support for the new archbishop. The Associated Press reported: “As Cordileone spoke during Thursday’s mass, about three dozen gay rights advocates gathered outside St. Mary’s Cathedral to protest his induction opposite a much larger group singing hymns of welcome for the new archbishop.”
Whatever noise the tiny number of protestors attempted to create was checkmated by a simple but effective maneuver executed by the Archdiocese of San Francisco: they hired a mariachi band. If the protestors tried to chant (barely audible from the second- to-last row in the cathedral) the mariachis would start to play. But the protestors were so tiny in number—that the clever move was unnecessary.
The protest was such a flop that its page on “Indybay,” a San Francisco website that promotes leftwing causes, did not receive a single comment.
Marc Andrus, the Episcopal Bishop of California who had written a strange “welcoming” letter to the new Archbishop, as reported in CalCatholic on October 4, did not attend the Mass. According to Pacific Church News, the website of the California Episcopal Diocese, Andrus was denied a seat at the installation: “The Rt. Rev. Marc Andrus, Episcopal Bishop of California and an invited guest for the installation of Archbishop-designate Salvatore Cordileone, was not allowed to be seated. He was escorted to a basement room at St. Mary’s Roman Catholic Cathedral and detained by an usher until the time the service began, whereupon Bishop Andrus left the cathedral. More information will be forthcoming as it is available.”
Reporting on the incident, the Associated Press said “San Francisco Archdiocese spokesman George Wesolek chalked it up to a misunderstanding. Andrus had arrived late and missed the procession of interfaith clergy who were to be seated up front. Church staff were looking for an opportunity to bring the bishop in without disrupting the service, according to Wesolek. When they went to retrieve him, he had already left.
‘We had no intention of excluding him at all,’ Wesolek said. ‘If he felt like because of the wait that was insulting to him, we certainly will apologize.’”
ADDENDUM: Video of Archbishop Cordileone’s Installation Mass
Fabulous, perfect, wonderful! Obviously the Hand of God is at work here, starting with the selection of this fine man by Pope Benedict, whose inspired decision was obviously divinely inspired. This entire story, from beginning to end, would make a wonderfully intricate and satisfying movie script, right down to the unintentional failure to seat the huffy, snarky dude from the breakaway church established by that other huffy, snarky, murdering dude, Henry VIII, huffed and puffed out of proportion by overindulgence in everything from gout-inducing food to underaged maidens, other people’s women, a few murders here and there, and a series of scandalous divorces. I’m glad his latter-day admirer felt the need to get out of the basement, at least physically, if not morally, and leave the celebration to those who worship in the church established by Jesus Christ, and not the ridiculous, murderous, dissolute King Henry VIII, whom no moral man or woman should be following. Sorry if I’m not being politically correct here, my Episcopalian friends – but now that the leader of your gang has shown our new archbishop such rudeness, I guess it is okay for those of us who found his “welcome” an insult will find it impossible to pretend that the Protestant emperor’s new clothes even exist. When you move into a new home, you don’t expect your neighbors to bring over a pie with blackbirds inside, but when he does, I say it’s okay to call a blackbird a blackbird.
“a few murders here and there”, if you mean Henry VIII, and I am sure you do, that is a gross understatement if ever there was one, A few wives here and there would be accurate if you also wrote thousands of recalcitrants whoes relatives by the way now make up most of the Traditional movement in the United Kingdom, you would be more accurate.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Bishop Cordileone’s Homily sounds like a new beginning. one that has been much needed for many years. Our Pontiff said our Church would be smaller,Holy Redemer’s day of sickening catering to the sodomites would be a good start. Bishop Andrus was more than out of line with his initial comments. The young people who were outside hopefully will have a solid Catholic Church to come to in the future, they were great. MGB
I was there at the installation today, sitting third row center, and could not help but noticed the warm and disarming smiles on His Excellency’s face at each and every one receiving holy communion from him, and the line was endless. He looked at EACH person in the eye, smiled, sort of acknowledging your presence, and very gently laying the host in the hand or on the tongue. There was no “preaching” in his homily, more like a heart-to-heart talk with a bit of self-deprecating humor in between. At the reception, his genuineness, warmth, down-to-earthiness shone through. What a moving yet refreshing scene!! Dear Lord, please take special care of our new shepherd. He is the hope and future of your house in San Francisco.
I am sure that Our Lord, His Mother, and St. Francis and St. Clare were smiling during the whole Installation, and I am doubly sure that they had full part in the unintended snub that the phony bishop Mr. Andrue got, too bad he isn’t listening.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Andrus should read the scriptures where it says what happened to the maidens who were late for the wedding because they had to go get oil for their lamps. God gave him the same treatment!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M.. Fisher
I would encourage all of you to read the actual reports about Bishop Marc Andrus He was not late by any means .. he was actually early enough to have a chat with one of the Eastern Orthodox Bishops who was among the others who were being escorted from the basement to their seats. It’s dishonest to say that he was not escorted in and seated as the others were because he was late. The sad truth is that at the end of the day, guess who REALLY ends up looking bad in all of this? No, darlin, it’s not Bishop Marc.
Terri you were blessed to have been there. : )
So there was Communion in hand? That is not good. That is Protestant. You would never get Communion in hand at an Orthodox Divine Liturgy.
Arckb. Cordileone,the new”godfather” of San Francisco has his work cut out for him.
Two things I like about him…one,he wasn’t” wearing a flower in his hair”
…two, on his episcopal hat he has a cross.
I see many bishops wearing white dunces hats…as though they don’t want to offend anyone.
Salvatore is proud of who he is and what he stands for,I hope,I hope,
The requirement of visiting bishops to wear white mitres indicates their place in the proceedings with the presider(s) wearing more ornate mitres.
The shape of the mitre is intended to suggest the shape of the flame of fire sent forth from the Holy Spirit upon the apostles at Pentecost.
Note to Andrus: Next time, come early or at least on time especially for an event as important as this. It´s called good manners. Note to the rest of Catholics out there: come to Mass on time.
“Andrus” was more than on time .. he was actually early. Really.
Andrus indeed arrived late. By his own account he was at the Cathedral at 1.45pm at which time the interfaith clergy were either processing in or are already seated (watch the recorded stream to verify this). By his own admission that at that time he was chatting with the Orthodox clergy at the basement, which points to me that he was indeed late, because the Orthodox clergy processed in with the Catholic priests and bishops. He was late. Bad manners in my book.
“Francis, rebuild my house.” Archbishop Cordileone humbly said, “God has always had a way of putting me in my place. With this last episode in my life, God has outdone Himself.” God bless you Archbishop Cordileone for your humility. God has outdone Himself by putting you in this place to rebuild His house in the Archdiocese of San Francisco.
God does work in mysterious ways. Marc Andrus should also humble himself and not waste time because he knows not the hour or the day that he will be put in his proper place. Marc Andrus recently mocked Archbishop Cordileone, one of God’s faithful servants, for being faithful to God. God has mercifully allowed Marc Andrus to have a practice dress rehearsal in experiencing what it will be like to not be ready and not prepared on time for the final procession when the Master calls him home.
Marc Andrus should humbly reflect on the awful experience of what it felt like being escorted to the lower basement. When the REAL and final procession takes place on our final day of Judgement, if we are escorted to the basement, there is no leaving. God sends no one to the basement. They choose it when they have turned their entire back on God’s laws, mocked God’s faithful servants, foolishly squandered their inheritance and are not prepared on time to meet Him.
Marc Andrus…It is never too late while you still have allotted time on this earth. God is Merciful and God is Just. Stop mocking God. Lead others to His Mercy. Stop leading them to the basement. Repent and apologize to God while you still have time to prepare before that final procession.
Sounds a little drastic if he was an invited guest. After the formal procession
he could have been ushered down the aisle and seated like everyone else.
No one was ushered down the aisle after the formal procession. If you came in late you slinked into a back row, not to be noticed. I’m sure that Mr. Andrus would loved to have been ushered down the aisle after the Archbishop, only to make a grand entrance.
Lc you have hit the nail on the head!
Bishop Cordileone is correct in noting that God directed St. Francis to purify his Church, not start something again. This could be a happy time for true Catholics in SF, and a trying time for liberal activists and active homosexuals. We will see how Tradition fares in SF. The good Bishops is not so much even a conservative, much less a traditionalist, as a priest and ordinary. He does stand up for the Church’s “basic” teachings, and does say the TLM, and seems to permit it within his diocese (although it is uncertain as to his fervor in doing so). Still, Bishop Cordileone is a vast improvement over the outgoing bishop, and compares well to many others. It is hoped that he does not fall into the normal routine in SF, as doing what is right and just there will be noisy and full of controversy, given the control of virtually all media by ultra-left interests. Moving quickly to eliminate homosexual enablers among the clergy and Church staffs, and to re-establish the demands of the Catechism and Magisterium in all Churches, schools, hospitals, and universities, is the first round of what he will need to do.
Well said St. Chris…
St. Christopher, Archbishop Cordileone will be the Archbishop for all the Catholics in San Francisco, even those that are viewed as less than fully human by a minority of some other Catholics. His job is to bring people into the faith not “eliminate” those that are hated by some.
Mark from PA – no Catholics may “hate” anyone.
On internet go to: ” What Catholics REALLY Believe Source ”
and read the answer to: “9. Is the Catholic Church unfair to homosexuals? What does the Church teach? Why does it oppose gay-marriage? Can homosexuals get to heaven?
Church documents are used with verifiable links.
If you come across any Catholic who “hates” refer them to this web site.
On the other hand do not confuse hate of a person with tolerance for sin.
Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen stated the following:
” America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not.
It is suffering from tolerance.
Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos.
Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded. “
Wrong PA those in the Church who have for over 50 years mislead and deceived the Faithful need to be called on it, if they refuse to amend and stop their lying they should be kicked out the Church. Yes PA I do hate lies, you seem to have no problem with them…..
The truth is that many of us have URGED “the homosexuals” to seek a more welcoming and inclusive church, but my RC gay friends are Roman Catholic. They aren’t Eastern Orthodox, Episcopalian, Lutheran or anything other than Roman Catholic, and I understand that. I sort of have to commend them. I’m not sure I would hold so tenaciously to my faith as a Roman Catholic were I treated as they have been. Fr. Richard Rohr, in one of his books, speaks of the way that Jesus was treated by the Pharisees who knew all the rules but who had none of the heart of Christ. Perhaps it is time to reflect ….
It pains me to read all of the mud slinging and reminds me of the current political climate here in the USA. How sad remarks of hate fill this blog from folks who supposidely are christian. They certainly make Jesus cry. Peace & Love in CHrist and St Benedict.
Abortion is hate; why don’t the bishops end it?
Bishop Sheffield, OSB is a member of the North American Old Catholic Church. But this independent church founded in 2007 does not belong to the Old Catholic Church organization. It pushes sodomy and women clergy according to Wikipedia.
So, Will, you’re accusing people you know nothing about as spouting rules but not behaving accordingly. You must have that same esoteric line of information that PA has when he frequently claims to know how many Catholic couples practice contraception. It must be some kind of secret because he never lets on where he gets his information. I think that psychologically that is called paranoia, ie special knowledge. It is also called heresy when it is pumped up to rival Catholicism.
Congratulations Your Excellency!!!
Ha, the heretic episcopalian writes a screed against the Archbishop and wonders why he was given the heeve ho….
Turn the other cheek. Forgiveness is limitless.
Welcome to San Francisco, Archbishop Cordileone. We all must pray for the Archbishop daily and remember him at Mass. He has a very difficult road ahead and needs all the graces we can send him.
Outstanding coverage, California Catholic Daily!!!!! With the story and the video, I felt as if I were there. Time for folks who like this news to send a donation to “CALCATH.”
Wow, I had a chance to look at a little bit of the Mass, the last part, and I could not help but notice how happy everyone, especially Archbishop Cordelione, was. What a joyous outpouring when he exited. I don’t always like applause, but it seemed appropriate to me to burst out in happiness at his installation. The church is very beautiful. His words of humility have marked his beginning, and I know, if I recognize those signs, that the Church in San Francisco is in store for a new beginning, a rebuilding on what has been there. His call to “rebuild” is certainly being answered, and the Pope could not have picked a better man for the job. We must all remember him, the good Archbishop, in our daily prayers. He will need them for his own consolation, and to ask God to help him in his work. There is much to be done. God bless the work and Archbishop for his answering the call in so appropriate a manner. As for Mr. Andrus, please remember him, also. He sorely needs them as well. We should all make it a practice to pray for those who hate us, who revile us, and who know not what they do, rather than to wish them ill. The thought of wishing someone to descend “into the depths” frightens me, and should frighten all of us. We pray that God “delivers us from evil” at every Our Father. Consider that prayer when you pray for Mr. Andrus, and contemplate the words carefully. We need to take the lead of Archbishop Cordelione in blessing everyone who needs our prayers.
No need to clap during mass, in Church, Joy should instead be directed to thanks giving in prayer.
Clapping at Mass is a Protestant innovation. The Orthodox never clap at Divine Liturgy!
I did not have a ticket to the installation, but the Archdiocese streamed it live on its Website. JPII would be proud. The thing I liked best about the sermon was the new Archbishop’s sense of humor. He did mention the DUI (reduced, according to this morning’s Chronicle, to reckless driving) and say God had outdone himself, but then added that he wasn’t sure it was theologically correct to say God could outdo himself. He was, he said, diffident about that in the presence of the man who had until very recently been responsible for the doctrinal purity of the whole Church. (Cardinal Levada was there, of course.) And he asked that it be kept off the record.
There were a couple of other chuckles as well. But how nice to have a prelate who can make a joke.
“…..until the time the service began, whereupon…” and “..without disrupting the service…”
It isn’t a service, it is a MASS.
Judging by the elegant response to the Piskie’s “welcome”……..
I would say Archbishop Lionheart is off to a mighty good start.
“Church staff were looking for an opportunity to bring the bishop in without disrupting the service, according to Wesolek. When they went to retrieve him, he had already left.”
>> Oh, that is nicely phrased indeed.
I too hope he does not just go along with the flow in San Francisco so as not to rock the boat. Time will tell, the “Left” is very powerful in the Bay area so I hope the good Archbishop has the nerve to stand up to them and proclaim the Holy Roman Catholic Faith!!!
I was at the installation yesterday and count my blessings that I
got a ticket……It was beautiful and I just love the Latin interwoven
into the Mass!
Your Exellency know what you are in my prayers everyday!
And please be on the lookout for those who are not so happy about
your appointment who work in the Chancellory!!!
Was there any video of the event? 40 bishops, must have included a cardinal or two! A long, long wait for this. The priests of the archdiocese will all be on board, unlike Oakland. Pity his successor there with the obscene debt and residual resisters who don’t like the word Roman connected with Catholic and Church
As a lay person I appreciated the opportunity to interact with the Archbishop during his time in Oakland. He is very solid in his determination to teach the faith. He will not bend the faith to the culture of The City as so many would like him to do, and as so many other denominations have done. He will, however, work with whomever comes to hime for discussion. He also is pretty sharp at finding the issues that are important. He isn’t going to work on fifty things in the first year. Maybe one or two. He has trenty five years to turn the ship around if he stays the normal amount of time in The City. Give him some rope. For example, it takes seven to nine years to train a priest for ordination. If you want to change the church you need to change the priest and that takes time. Again, give him some time.
Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple; His apostles must throw the unrepentant sodomites out of the Church.
I completely agree.
Once again, your use of the word “sodomites” is not Christian but creates a hierarchy of sinfulness which somehow sugegsts that
you and people who are not “sodomites” are “better.” That is not Chrsitian. Shame on you.
JudeThorm, shame on you….sodomy is a sin…
The word “sodomy” is a word and is certainly useful and put to good use by Catholics or anyone else when describing unnatural sex fiends and their behavior.
Indeed people who are not sodomites are better than those who are. Turning away from a conscience scarring life of sodomy is perhaps harder to do than turning away from any other kind of sin. The sin of sodomy is the dregs of all sin, and the result of it. Sodomy is a punishment for sin, and is thus probably a taste of Hell.
Pete, don’t count on all the Priests of the archdiocese to be on board!
And you can watch the streaming video of the installation on
the Archdiocese of San Francisco website!
Elizabeth, you are 100% accurate that all Priests in the SF Diocese may not be on board due to many years of (at minimum) tolerating sin and scandal by the previous Bishop.
The good news is that they can be removed from Priestly duties if they do not adhere to Church teachings.
As we know Church teachings are clearly stated in the: “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” – so people will know the truth, if being taught falsehoods by any Priest living or working in the Diocese.
Any Priest who does not preach, teach, or live according to the CCC – must be reported to the Archbishop at the SF Diocese office.
Marc Andrus wrote a very public letter on the internet in which he clearly indicated Archbishop Cordileone is, in his mind, an agent of “oppression” for following biblical teaching on human sexuality.
I have no idea precisely WHY he didn’t make it upstairs (for example, if some usher decided to hold him back, or what), but his insulting letter, and his invitation to Catholics to leave the Catholic Church and become Episcopalians, was a very stupid way to “welcome” the new Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco.
I was at the ceremony and was glad Andrus was not present in the sanctuary, as this would have been the ultimate hypocrisy — slamming Archbishop Cordileone before he even took office, and then showing up like all is well. Andrus shoudl have stayed home and walked around his labyrinth and, just maybe, READ THE BIBLE to learn more about Christian moral teaching on human sexuality.
Robert .. Be assured that MANY more than you might imagine saw and heard how Bishop Marc was treated, and it won’t be forgotten. From the statements I have seen here, it’s evident that not only do you people not care if the LGBT people leave the church for where ever they might end up going, you wish for them to depart, as do I. When your church is cut down to size and expresses the sort of fundamentalist “holiness” that you seek, I hope that you are happy and able to give praise to God for expressing yourself as you believe Jesus would have done.
I don’t think the ceremony was covered by EWTN. If not, I wonder why not. I have seen many episcopal installation rites from around the country on EWTN.
I, too, wonder why EWTN did not cover the installation live as they’ve covered just about all installations at this level of importance, at least in the years since I started watching EWTN. I couldn’t possibly have been an oversight. I, for one, would like to have an explanation from EWTN.
I thought the same thing, what was going on with that?
There may be a management issue at EWTN these days.
Andrus the Heretic was taken to the cathedral’s basement (dungeon). Is there a problem? I only wish they had called me to assist in extracting a confession.
Praise God! This makes me want to buy a small Cross of San Damiano to remind me to pray for Archbishop Cordileone and San Francisco. I see now there is hope for this great city, and this is a wonderful start.
A man with the heart of a lion. All my prayers are with you. Bring the Light AND the Heat. I know you will.
Why is this even being covered by the press?
What I find interesting is how defining the gay and lesbian lobby is in trying to change the Catholic Diocese of San Francisco. If we were to do a survey of the people in the pews on Sunday, how many do you think are gay? My guess is few.
When you think about it, if gay and in the Church, you would have to practice abstinence because you are outside of God’s Natural Law. If you are not active sexually, well, it is that group that could be viable members of the Church. We are all sinners, yes, but we must seek to follow God’s commands in our daily lives.
The new Bishop has it right.
If gay Catholics who are not sexually active were numerous, then the governor would not have signed into law the violation of civil and first amendment rights of parents over children which transfers parenthood from mothers and fathers to the government. I’d guess there are none or almost no abstinent “gay” Catholics. If they are not engaged in sex, then they are not gay. Anyone claiming to be gay is participating on some level in homosexual activity. Any bishop supporting gays is himself gay and participating in homosexual activity on some level, whether physically or vicariously. These degenerates need to be ousted from the Church.
Homosexuals comprise a tiny percentage of the population- 2 to 3 per cent.
They are not the problem.
Their enablers are the problem.
If every homosexual in America voted for pseudo-marriage, then pseudo-marriage would lose 97-3.
The homosexuals are simply a useful tool of the antichrists who see in them a perfect tool, in terms of legal strategy, for the destruction of the Faith, at law, in America.
JLS, you say “If they are not engaged in sex then they are not gay.” Then you say, “Any bishop supporting gays is himself gay.” These two sentences contradict each other. Some bishops support gay people because they believe that they should be treated with respect and compassion. I think that others are fearful of being labeled gay if they support gay people so they remain silent. It is interesting because from some of what you say here you would not consider me gay as I am not sexually active with men. But in a following post it would seem that because I feel that gay people should be treated with respect and compassion that this is worse than if I actually was promiscuous.
Whether intentional or because of a misunderstanding, Bishop Andrus’ expulsion from the cathedral was poetic justice.
His “welcoming letter” to Abp. Cordileone was an insult. No misunderstanding here. We got the message!
Bishop Lionheart has sent an elegant and well-thought out message to the Piskie.
His Excellency the real bishop is off to a very good start indeed.
Rick, Archbishop Cordileone (I don’t know who the heck bishop lionheart is) has indeed sent a message to “the piskie” .. and not only to “the piskie” but to the whole city of San Francisco. My only regret is if that message is not seen wide and far. The unfortunate truth is that you people couldn’t care less … and as I said earlier, I hope that you are happy and able to give praise to God for expressing yourself as you believe Jesus would have done.
May the Lord bless and strengthen Archbishop Cordileone. He has an enormous task ahead of him. May Our Blessed Mother pray for him. +JMJ+
One of our regular posters on this site has said he is gay and also that he is abstinent, yet he is still verbally persecuted by others who apparently do not believe him. One of the comments above indicates basically that there is no such thing as being gay and abstinent. That is the intellectual equivalent of saying there is no such thing as being heterosexual and abstinent. If we are to follow the teaching of the Church as well as of common decency, someone who admits they are gay but states that they are abtinent are to be treated with dignity and respect. I find homosexuality repugnant personally but find abstinent homosexuals very worthy of being welcomed into the Church and treated with dignity just as one would welcome any other Catholic. Either we follow Church teachings on this or rebel against the Church and treat all homosexuals as not welcome in “our” Church. I doubt that that is what Jesus Christ would have us do when you consider how he treated outcasts of every sort during His time on earth trying to teach us what God wants us to do. I’m guessing Archbishop Cordileone would agree with me but will allow him, of course, to speak for himself and for the Church. He seems to be in accord with Church teachings in all matters as far as I can tell.
Wrong, Maryanne! “Gay” is a political/religious movement, not a condition. Same sex attraction is a condition, but is not sinful. Homosexual activity is sinful, is the consequence of sin, and is done either physically or vicariously. All “gays” are engaging in homosexual activity, either by physical action or vicariously. Jesus teaches us that the pharisees enter heaven after the whores: This obviously means that those who encourage homosexual behavior, yet are not themselves physically involved in it, commit an even graver sin. PA, if not physically involved in homosexual activity, yet condones it; therefore, according to Jesus, PA sins far worse than an active homosexual.
Maryanne, the outcastes welcomed by Jesus were not homosexuals nor any other category of sinner; rather they were and are those who have turned from their sins. Jesus welcomes us to leave our sins, not to bring them with us. Don’t you see the difference?
I agree, with this whole post. If one is living a chaste life, that is totally consistent with the Catholic Church Teaching on folks who have not received the sacrament of matrimony.
Maryanne, thank you for your respectful comments. We are all called to chastity and goodness. Yes, many people are gay and abstinent. I also have a yearning to be pure of heart. What you said is true, many people do not welcome gay people in the Church. They are viewed by some as disordered, something less than fully human. Many would prefer that gay priests, even ones who are faithfully celibate, leave the priesthood and the Church. Many would like gay people out of the Church. It is painful to me that many of our young gay people do not feel welcome in the Church. JLS, same sex attraction is just an expression coined by people that don’t like to use the word gay. It is basically the same thing. It is a physical condition, an orientation. It is not something that someone chooses.
PA if gay is a condition that is not chosen, explain to me with your logic why the woman who bore me chose to at first marry my father, have children with him, then out of the blue chose to run off with her disgusting lesbian lover, and chose to abuse and hate me..If you think its something people are born with, I have a bridge on the east side of Manhattan for you. The quicker they are out the clergy and the Church the better….Oh yeah I chose to put her “lover” in the hospital when she thought she could keep abusing me. It was one of the most satisfying moment of my life….
“I chose to put her “lover” in the hospital.” Nice.
Shut up people…..this man was abused by his mothers gay lover, severely….Maryanne…I’m ashamed at what you posted!
Catholic doctrine demands that we not only defend others but ourselves as well; that is what Canisius did. I have seen many people including kids who have been sexually abused. The abusers should be hanged in public squares at noon on Sundays.
Does anyone know of any soul who led a life of sexually abusing kids and then repenting and becoming a saint? I’ve never heard of such a thing.
Gay is disordered.
“I also have a yearning to be pure at heart.”
So did Becky Sharp in Vanity Fair!
The Catholics who refer to gay people as “sodomistes” in some of these posts ought to hang their heads in shame. This is not Christian. This is the manufacture of a label of judgment and sinfulness when every last person at the installation was/is a sinner, even the so called “good” young people in the crowd who were not protesting the installation. These young people, if one were to look closely into their private lives, no doubt struggle and commit a variety of sexual “offenses.”
You got it all wrong, The term sodomite is appropriate due to the grotesq nature of the sin that is advocated by the sodomite movement.
Sin is ugly dude, its like calling a cannibal a cannibal, would you call her anything else?
Mbûkû Kanyau Mbithûka I agree…..I never use the word sodomite but I just might because I am sick of them imposing their lifestyle on a free society! We are no longer free, we have to hide in basements (so to speak) because people of faith are now considered disordered by those who advocate homosexuality! Remember if you get offended by the unnatural because it offends God, you are now labeled a homophone, a hater etc….logic is not allowed and God is not allowed. Only if God becomes what they want him to be…a god that is not true but another entity!
The term Sodomite and the sin of Sodom have nothing whatsoever to do with sex. The prophet Ezekiel in 16:49,50 cleary lays out what the sin of Sodomy was .. and there is nothing sexual mentioned.
Well, you are correct, Will, but some people don’t want to hear that. Yes, I have read Ezekiel, but some here don’t want to read that.
Will and PA you are both wrong, its another lie started by gays,the city of Sodom was wiped out because of homosexuality enough of your damned liberal revisionism.
The Sodomites tried to gang rape the two angels of God, Will. You can go about with your brain stem where the sun don’t shine, but that don’t prove there ain’t no sun and that it ain’t shining. Not only that but God told Abraham that there were no righteous men left in Sodom or Gomorrah; this had nothing to do with hospitality, Will, unless your version of hospitality is the defiling of purity which all acts of sodomy do. Will, even the mental approval of sodomy is an act, although an internal act, of that unnatural sin against nature. So, you’ve got no way out but to turn from it, Will; repent and follow Jesus.
Don’t be a false teacher. You took it out of context. Continue with Ezekiel 16:50-51 about abominational behavior.
Also see the NEW TESTAMENT:
1 Cor 6: 9-10;
1 Tim 1:10.
Note that the word “SODOMITES” is used in 1 Tim 1:10.
In the English language, sodomy is having sexual relations with someone of the same sex.
Therefore those who practice these sexual relations are sodomists.
Any way you cut it, same sex relations are MORTAL Sins.
Using documented (with links) for the answer to:
” Is the Catholic Church unfair to homosexuals? What does the Church teach? Why does it oppose gay-marriage? Can homosexuals get to heaven?”
Search on net: ” What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE “.
The term “sodomite” is actually a polite and courteous term, and the sodomites would be proud to have such labeling except for the fact that they all crave to be degraded by the more vile and socially reprehensible terms common to their lot. This is why they are offended, because courtesy and politeness are not what they are seeking.
Jude Thom says:
“The Catholics who refer to gay people as “sodomistes” in some of these posts ought to hang their heads in shame. ”
The Holy Spirit, inspiring the Apostle Paul, says:
“For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.”
We are granted perfect freedom to follow Jude Thom, or to follow the Holy Spirit and the Apostle Paul.
May you choose wisely.
No where in Rick Delano´s quote from St. Paul is the word “sodomite” used.
Let us be under no illusion here. This word is used today by those who mean to deride, disrespect, and demonize those with same-sex attraction. It is un-Christian and misguided.
Get off your high horse…those who practice sodomy are sodomites! It has nothing to do with disrespect etc…the act itself is already a great offense to the natural law! The act itself is already offending our Lord, Jesus is the one who is being disrespected, the natural law is what is being distorted with that sexual act! So get off your high horse! What you defend here tells a lot about your person and what you stand for and it is not standing up for decency and love for God and His natural law! One might have a disorder but sexual acts outside of the natural law not something that one can not choose from! It is a choice…..Choose Jesus!
The questions still stands WHO DO YOU LOVE MORE? Jesus or your homosexuality?
Abeca, if you love Jesus you will love those with same-sex attraction and will not dare call them something that is meant to offend, demonize, and disrespect.
Rick DeLano, I can find no Catholic bible that uses that term “sodomites” -except Douey Rheims which uses it twice to refer to the residents of the city of Sodom. The King James Version uses the word sodomites, but that of course is not a Bible approved for use by Catholics.
EWTN did not cover the installation becausr the ecermony was still conventional Novus Ordo and thereby Protestant in nature.
No, its probably; mphmmm, they probably had something they thought was more worth their time, like a prolife mass or something, or whomever was sponsoring their programing was paying big bucks..
Yes, even Church institutions have to worry about mammon matters.
why is everyone picking on EWTN? why not just call them and ask them! This website cant answer that question!
I meant to say why are SOME picking on EWTN, not everyone, sorry!
EWTN got boring for me years ago, about the time Mother Angelica no longer appeared. I used to love to hear her say, “And what is your question?”.
EWTN just presented a program today in which Raymond Arroyo interviewed the new Archbishop Cordileone and asked him a number of superbly phrased questions which the archbishop answered in ways that prove Pope Benedict knows a holy man when he sees one. I was lucky enough once to have breakfast with Raymond Arroyo, who is even more remarkable and likeable in person when relaxed than he is when on TV and doing a superb job. He hits it out of the ballpark every single time. I don’t know what EWTN is able to pay him, but whatever it is, it is definitely not enough, as Raymond Arroyo could anchor any major TV news show, but he is so perfect for this job, it’s as if he were born to do it. I say the same is true of Archbishop Cordileone, as it is for our wonderful Pope Benedict as well, perhaps the most underappreciated pope in our lifetimes. What blessings all these men are to the Catholic Church! It amazes me that everyone in the world doesn’t convert to Catholicism at this point, with Our Lord being served by such fine human beings. We here on earth are all exquisitely well served by them as well.
Maryanne, there is a reason that the world does not convert to Catholicism on accord of the three men you cite. For one, they all exist only on TV for almost all the world. And most people know that TV is not trustworthy … well, that is, most people who have any sense. But then that limits the field to not very many at all. And those might already be Catholic.
Abeca, I am surprised that you state you are ashamed of me for my post when I am reflecting exactly what the Catholic Church teaches, as reiterated by our newest Pope an Pope John Paul II before him. I did not say I am pro-homosexuals; I cannot bring myself to ever consider being pro-gay as I am straight, married, old-fashioned, and abhor the mere thought of what they do when they are not being sexually abstinent. But when they are, why are people going against Church teaching and practicing hatred of human beings who have an affliction yet who follow Church teachings by rising above temptation and remaining abstinent? I fail to understand that logic. It is exactly like my father accusing me of going out with a married man when I never did any such thing ever, nor would I. In his mind, I was lost, even though I was a virgin and fully abstinent. Some people are just sick enough to prejudge the innocent as being guilty just because they belong to a group of people, some of whom are guilty, and some of whom are innocent. Why do we not celebrate the innocent and abstinent among us? It is an admirable thing to rise above temptation of whatever kind and follow Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church that He established through Saint Peter. Damning the innocent is not only unCatholic, it is unAmerican as well as an expression of unwarranted hatred of our fellow man. I am uncomfortable with homosexuality in either sex but admire anyone who chooses the high road and follows Church teachings. These people deserve to be treated with respect. This reminds me of when I had to stand up for black people who were mistreated when I was a child just for being black. Not right, my friends. We should be better people than that.
Maryanne Leonard I read your two posts and they are in accord with Church teaching.
However, if the person you are talking about is Mark from PA in your earlier post – he professes to be a good Catholic and professes to abstainent but never states that sexual relations between same sex persons is a MORTAL Sin, and he supports statements from others that are wrong including opposing the word “sodomites” for those who practice same sex relations. He never corrects homosexuals who postso they will get to Heaven. He never gives good Catholic suggestions to help those with same sex attraction.
So I have my doubts as to his honesty, and real purpose for postings.
On the net search: ” What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE ” – #9 regarding homo-sexual acts.
Paul, I have said here many times that we are all called to chastity. Some may have missed that. I have told here that when I was a teen that I was a virgin but have gotten sarcastic remarks for that. My suggestion is that people treat gay people with respect and don’t discriminate against them as the CCC says. How does calling a gay teen a “sodomite” help them? How does making fun of and bullying gay teens help them? I don’t see many people here talking about how sinful that is.
MarkfromPA, Aside from you’re other long history of homosexual activism and enablers on this website, many readers have not missed the fact that you never once told Aaron, a poster who boasted many times on CCD about his homosexual lifestyle with his partner Tomas in Spain, that they we’re called to chastity. In fact, you did the complete opposite so you are not being completely truthful or honest in your response to PAUL. As sure as you got caught mocking those men in Rome, you also wished Aaron and Tomas well in their homosexual relationship and lifestyle. You have been caught in another deception.
You are a homosexual activist who posts regularly on CCD for one singular purpose….. To teach other homosexuals how to disrespect, discriminate and reject certain teachings in the CCC and mock those men in Rome.
Mark, You are the discriminator and the rejector of Catholic Church teaching.
Mark from PA,
An innocent person with same sex attraction is not a sodomite.
Persons who have sexual relations with another of the same sex are sodomites.
Look up the word sodomy in any dictionary.
With your understanding rather than appearing to support homosexual acts, it would be more helpful if your posts did something to help those with same sex attraction and sodomites (-sexual sinners in need of repentance and reform) get to Heaven.
Most posters on this site are trying to help people get to Heaven. And you call that ‘hate”.
As some posters have said before on the net go to:
” What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE ”
for the best way to answer the following questions since they only use the Catechism of the Catholic Church and a Vatican link to insure true Church teaching.
See the answer to #9. Is the Catholic Church unfair to homosexuals? What does the Church teach? Why does it oppose gay-marriage? Can homosexuals get to heaven?
This is what you should be writing about.
Maryanne Leonard Paul just conveyed what I felt…I commented what I commented because I too felt the same as Paul about PA’s comments here. So my reply holds the same tone as Paul did but I can go into it further but I’ve not much time…so this is short and sweet, just read Paul’s comments and add more to my distaste of PA’s activism towards gay ones!
You may have distaste for me, Abeca Christian, but real kids are being hurt here. Being called names, being made fun of, being stereotyped and in some cases even being a victim of violence hurts innocent young people.
marc andrus is behaving like a big cry-baby.
if he HAD arrived on time, he would have been with the other protestants, plus the buddhists, jews, and other interfaith guests.
but instead he chose to arrive late, after these courteous people had already been seated, and then stomped his feet and left in a huff, rushing off to air his sorrows on the WWW for all the world to read.
ion my humble opinion, this episcoplaian was feelikng awfward, or maybe even a bit guiltty, for slamming archbishop cordileone in his piskie blog, and then felt really weird when he realized he had arrived after his group had already been shown to the FRONT of the line.
let him pout and whine. who cares?
LOVE is NOT TOLERANCE.
QUOTE: – – – ” Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.
It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.
It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.
The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.
Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.
Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.
Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly. ” – – – UNQUOTE. – BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN
I’m sickened by some of the absolutely unChristian comments I’m reading in this comment thread–both about the Episcopal bishop and gays and lesbians. Yuck.
What are your symptoms? There is a drug store store near by….but the cure for moral ones is found in Christ’s love and one’s choice to turn away from all sin! CHOOSE JESUS! Study what Fulton Sheen teaches on false compassion. Hope that helps ease the sickness.
So, Kathryn McK, you are afraid to think? Afraid of knowing what Christ says about sodomists and their pimps? Ever heard “Sin no more”? Jesus said it to a prostitute. Ever hear of God’s opinion of Sodom and Gomorrah? BTW, what exactly is it about the Episcopal church that you find Christian?
marc andrus, the episcopalian bishop of california, just wants attention. he first tried to get some by blasting archbishop cordileone just befor ehis installation, syaing “we do not make peace with oppression.”
then he showed up late gfor the ceremony at st. marys cathedral, which is obvious from HIS VERY OWN WORDS, in which he admits the only other non-catholics left were the greek orthodox, who have a special place with us, unlike himself, the methodist, the buddhists, etc.
the group we was supposed to process in with (other protestants, jews, muslims, etc.) had already take4n their seats, which is evident from marc’s own whiny little blog.
so he apparently wanted to make a big splashy entrance all alone, but this was not according to proctocol, so the cathedral staff were trying to find a subtle way to seat this late-comer — but his guilty conscience kicked in and he left in a huff.
to heck with him.