The following comes from a July 3 story on LifeSiteNews.com.
In an interview published recently on YouTube by the Pink Cross Foundation, Sal, a former porn star, reveals the sad truth about the pornographic industry.
In the heartbreaking video, Sal tells his story about how sexual abuse, which he suffered during his childhood, led him to the world of pornography.
“I grew up in San Fernando Valley, the world’s largest porn capital, where there are more than 550 pornography production companies,” he says.
He then goes on to tell how two gang members changed his life forever: “I was raped when I was 6. I never cried, never felt so much pain in my life. My whole life changed. I didn’t want to play with anyone. I became quiet. I can still feel the pain… I stopped being a boy.”
When Sal entered middle school he started having sex for money. “I was having sex with all the students, and I would charge them for it, so I could have pocket money.” A family member introduced him to pornography when he was 15 and “by the age of 19, I’d already shot over 100 porn movies.”
“What I was really looking for was other people’s attention. I wasn’t happy. I thought I had everything, I had a lot of money, but I was miserable.” He then explains how prostitution and drugs came along with porn. “I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.”
Now, at the age of 24, Sal is rehabilitated from porn and drugs thanks to the ministry of Victory Outreach and the Pink Cross foundation, an organization dedicated to helping people with porn addiction. “I thank Victory Outreach and the Pink Cross Foundation for helping me out. I thank God for being always by my side….”
To read the original story, click here.
Kids who’ve suffered abuse stand out like sore thumbs. It is very aggravating and the abusers should be confined until the kids they’ve abused achieve normalcy. If this is not possible, then the abusers should be executed. Society does not need them to help the economic situation because there are enough people to do this. Thus the abusers either help the kids heal or they die in prison sooner or later. For example, Mahony should either go to prison or find some way to help each abused kid on his watch heal. He should be allowed no other task or activity. The Mahonys of this world deserve slavery until they can right all their wrongs. They should not be allowed time of for payment of money.
American Thinker had yesterday an interesting article on “Will Gays Deny Abuse in Their Community?” The answer is that many adopted sons of male Gay married couples are adopted specifically for the purpose of sexual relief. The band keeps playing on. Enjoy the desintegration of Western civilization under Barack Hussein Obama.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/2013/07/after_bashing_the_vatican_will_gays_deny_abuse_in_their_community.html#ixzz2YRBeF8Sq
Gays are just as horrified as straights when abusers appear in our midst. But the notion that “many adopted sons of male Gay married couples are adopted specifically for the purpose of sexual relief” is an outrageous, unfounded, and completely unproven allegation. It just repeats the unproven and incorrect allegation that gay people prey on youth and children. If we did that, why do you think we often live in enclaves largely devoid of children, like the Castro or WeHo or Chelsea?
Gays do nothing other than prey on sexual targets which includes anything or anyone they can get their hands on.
Baloney.
Then, peter, explain to me why all gays I’ve ever known have tried to hit on me, except for a very very few who had already turned their lives away from it.
Um . . . because you’re either a liar or you’ve actually met very few gays.
Skai is not a liar….peter you who follow the gay agenda live in deception….you have to see that.
YFC, a few weeks back you mentioned that you would rather not talk about the things that homosexuals do. Isn’t this really for the benefit of the active homosexual community and not the rest of us? You know better than most what kind of excessive and disgusting sexual practices the homosexual community engages in. You know that if the truth ever got out to a wider audience then even the “compassionate” supporters it has would start to wake up and reject the homosexuals victim line. You only have to look at the ProLife movement to see that this is true. Once the truth of what abortion really is reaches those who still support “abortion rights”, because they believe the lie that it helps women and in a strange way children, they cease to be “pro-choice”. So in this regards the “Gay movement” is no different than the “Pro-Choice movement” It is full of lies. “Choice” is really not about choices, and “Gay” is really not about being happy. I challenge all of you who are “out of the closet” to tell the world the full gory details of what a “gay life style” really means. Please, tell us more than what you expose to us in parades. This would do much to protect children.
Tracy what I said is that I was refusing to answer a direct (and entirely inappropriate) question about what *** I *** do in bed. It is none of your busniess Tracey, and once again, you bring shame upon yourself for even asking what other people do in the privacy of their homes. Mind your own business for a change.
YFC, is it none of my business what homosexuals do at bath houses and at their orgies too? “Gay” activist need us to believe that their lifestyle is as benign as Ozzy and Harriet of the 1950’s and 60’s was. This image needs to be promoted because they know that if their ignorant supporting public knew what really went on in the “communities of Sodom”, they would withdraw their support. I compared the “Sad” movement with the “no-Choice” movement because they parallel each other in needing to maintain a strict “privacy” policy of their evil deeds in order to survive. So, YFC, I’ll take your, “Mind your own business for a change.”, statement as a badge of honor!
Tracy – I’m going to say once again, but let me try a different approach. When you were growing up, did your mother ever scold you for asking people inappropriate questions when they came over to your house? Did you ever get caught peeping in the window of the neighbors? Perhaps your own kids interrupted you and your husband at inappropriate moments. Did you just welcome them in and say – oh no worries! What we do here is for all the world to see! Did your neighbors say, Oh it’s ok! I’m happy to tell your nine year old daughter that we don’t often have sex as soon as we go to bed, but by about 2 or 3, we are all over each other!
Of course not. Most people learn how to behave appropriately around others and know what questions are permissible and which ones aren’t. Most people.
YFC, I compared the “Gay” movement with the “Choice” movement which you completely ignored, not once, but twice. After that you change the subject to the prudence of keeping the knowledge of sexual subjects out of the minds of young children who are not of the developmental stage to handle such topics. Spin and divert it as you may, you are solidifying my earlier points.
Tracy, the “gory details” of the lifestyles of some of us would be rather boring to you. I go to work every day and on my days off spend time looking after my elderly dad. I just got back from Mass at church and stopped home on the way to get milk. Now I am typing this on my computer with a cat sitting on my lap. My wife is watching the Food Channel. So there is part of my lifestyle.
Your Fellow Catholic, we are all horrified to hear of the sexual abuse of adopted children but this is so rare that the cases are big news. In truth adopted children are actually more protected because before a child is adopted the prospective parents have to be cleared and home studies have to be done to make sure that the parents can provide a good home for the child. Some people look down on adopted children and adoptive families but the children in them are just as safe and probably safer than children in biological families.
Mark, you know very well that I am talking about those who are living and promoting a lifestyle of sex with men. You have numerous times made it clear that this is not you. The only thing that you repeatedly state you care about when it comes to “homosexuals’ is that they have a right to be treated humanely like anyone else. Of this we can agree on. But again, in posting your mundane typical day here you are trying to give an impression that most homosexuals live an “Ozzy and Harriet” lifestyle. Let me repeat myself, if this image is exposed for the fraud that it is and the full truth about the “gay” lifestyle ever got out to the majority of people, you would scare any substantial support you currently have for your movement far far away and you and your friends know it.
A clarification to my 12:52 pm post: The first sentence should have read: Mark, you know very well that I am talking about those who are living and promoting a lifestyle of sex between two or more men.
Tracy – at July 9, 2013 at 2:31 pm – you admonish me for “changing the subject” from your comparison of the “Gay movement with the Choice movement”.
See the thing is, that the subject was your demand to know what goes on in my bedroom, and your misstatement of my earlier posts about same. You then switch topics toward the end of the post to your comparison. You don’t get to demand which parts of your posts I reply to any more than you get to demand that I tell you what I do or do not do in bed. You seem to have issues with allowing people privacy and autonomy.
But if you really think your comparison is worthy of comment, here it goes:
First, to help everyone read along, here is what you wrote and which you are goading me into responding to: “You know that if the truth ever got out to a wider audience then even the “compassionate” supporters it has would start to wake up and reject the homosexuals victim line. You only have to look at the ProLife movement to see that this is true. Once the truth of what abortion really is reaches those who still support “abortion rights”, because they believe the lie that it helps women and in a strange way children, they cease to be “pro-choice”. So in this regards the “Gay movement” is no different than the “Pro-Choice movement” It is full of lies. “Choice” is really not about choices, and “Gay” is really not about being happy. I challenge all of you who are “out of the closet” to tell the world the full gory details of what a “gay life style” really means. Please, tell us more than what you expose to us in parades. This would do much to protect children.”
1) Even if the “truth” of what we do in bed gets out, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Gay people aren’t asking for your approval of what they do in bed. Comapssion towards us is due to us because we are human beings created in the image and likeness of God, not on whether you or some other nosey person decides to give the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval to our private lives.
2) You seem to think that people don’t know what goes on in an abortion, despite decades of graphic ads by the pro-Life movement. If you think people are ignorant of the truth of abortion, you are living with your head in the sand. The reality is that roughly half of America believes that abortion, whether they think it is gruesome or not, is the choice of the mother’s. . There is no “truth” yet to be revealed about abortion. It is all out there for everyone to see, and for the most part, that knowledge does not, as you imagine, change people’s hearts and minds about the legality of choice.
Back to the issue of the gay. Frankly, I think most people don’t even want a prurient interest in what their gay neighbors do. Or their straight neighbors. MOST people don’t have an obsession with other people’s intimate lives, and are generally rather turned off when details of intimate acts of ANY kind are discussed in public. You do not appear to be in that category.
YFC, the truth is that homosexuals are asking for approval of what they are doing in the bedroom and other places as well. They have gotten anti-sodomy laws overturn. Now they want to be given the same status and benefits as Married couples. Yes, it is very much about what they do in the bedroom. Still, you know the truth. Homosexual activity goes way beyond the bedroom. Such as homosexual bath houses and house party orgies. Our very civilization depends on what goes on in the bedroom as it always has.
The truth is that most people DO NOT KNOW the truth behind abortion, although this is slowly starting to change. Thanks, in no small part, to pro-life organizations like Life Dynamics and Live Action. Abortion does not start nor end with a dead baby. This is the dirty little secret that is finally getting out and its a game changer.
I agree with you that MOST people do not want to know what their neighbors do in bed. Just like most people would prefer not to know what goes on in an abortion. As the saying goes “ignorance is bliss”.
Oh, and you know this as well, there is no absolute right to privacy.
Your Fellow Catholic, I too think it is rude to ask personal questions about people’s private lives. In regard to abortion, I think many people don’t know the facts about abortion. Some talk of “reproductive health care” and how a woman has a right to do what she wishes with her own body. Many of these people don’t recognize that the unborn child is a separate individual. Some seem to think that unborn children are just a bunch of cells. The pro-life movement has been important in giving people facts about the development of unborn children. The abortion industry is not happy with laws that involve informed consent which educate the mother about fetal development. With ultrasounds, more people are aware of the humanity of unborn children. I don’t think that abortion will be outlawed in some places though because it is a billion dollar a year industry. The abortion industry is very strong in parts of our country and they give money to many politicians. So while more people are learning the truth about the unborn, it still comes down to money in many cases. Also you can’t force someone to love an unwanted child. Some women do know what they are doing when they have an abortion and they don’t care, I don’t know how these women can be reached. But from what I have read young people are becoming more pro-life. I think it is important that the Catholic Church stand up for the sanctity of human life.
Mark, you and YFC should go to the websites of the organizations, I’ve mentioned. Another successful organization in getting out the whole truth about abortion is “the Elliot Institute”. Or try out, “Children of God for Life”. The things both of you have mentioned about abortion is old news. And you are both sadly correct, not too many Americans care about that. But they are caring about the current facts which are finally surfacing!
Which brings about my first point, sadly, not too many Americans care if their next door neighbors are practicing homosexuals, but this is because they have bought the lie that these individuals lives are typically no different from those of “Ozzy and Harriet”. Yes, your movement needs to keep this lie alive and well in order to survive. But just like the Abortion industry, the gory truth will come out!!!!!
YFC you are right I do not care what perversions you perform in your bedroom. I do care when you and the gay mafia marches is in their gay shame parades and demand by force of law that your perversions must be accepted and affirmed. Furthermore you think your perversions should celebrated. Well sorry YFC I will accuse, I will ridicule, I will mock and I will attack you and the rest of the gay mafia as often as possible so that you understand you never going to be accepted, despite what the corrupted media tells you.
I think Tracy is a genius!
She has just solved a major problem in our society, and no one here sees it! The problem with unstable marriages would be COMPLETELY solved if couples were required to detail their bedroom practices for the judgment of their peers. Then, the public could “vote” if their practices were acceptable or not. Only then would the state validate their marriage.
So, Tracy, tell us about your bedroom practices? What position do you favor? We need to find out so that everyone knows if you are respectable or not.
There is nothing good about gay. Nothing.
Amen to that! Especially when we fear the good Lord!
Gays are human beings too and part of the goodness of God’s creation.
You’re right. Sodomites’ ultimate goal is “equal rights” to others’ boys for raping. Indeed, it’s no coincidence that although homosexuals are only 2% of the population, they make up 33% of all child sex abusers. In other words, statistically, homosexuals are 15.5 times more likely to sexually abuse a child than are heterosexuals.
Juergensen stop spreading vile lies. Your stats are completely made up and out of context.
YFC is upset with Truth
Canisius I’m upset with the untruth.
YFC, as an intelligent man, what would you say would be the best solution for being upset with the untruth? My guess is that the best move is to turn away from it.
If you are really upset with untruth then should be upset withe gay death style and your so called committed relationship with your so called “partner”
They’re not lies, they’re truthful facts, supported by academic research. Google it.
No such scientific research juergensen, you simply made it up.
Go to the Family Research Council website, and in the upper right search for “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. Read the article. Oh, and don’t forget the 76 footnotes to academic studies.
The Family Research Council? You mean the group declared to be a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They are well known to distort, misinterpret, and twist facts until they are unrecognizable. The studies they cite do not say what they say they say.
FRC is a hate group.
What? No peter your gay agenda is a hate group! FRC is a good moral Christ fearing group…..get that through your think head and stop making foolish slander against faith based groups…..
there are definitely haters out there and they are not faith based that is for sure…
Baloney.
Folks now that “gay’s” are bashing faith based org’s such as FRC…..my suggestion is to donate more money to FRC and others who are faith based….this way we can show our support since these “gay” supporters have taken it upon themselves to use the words “hate group”….that truly infuriates me and thus has provoked the comments that I have made…..is that the real hate groups are those who are gay agenda driven!
YFC is upset with both truth and untruth. Bummer to be in such a situation.
Juergensen good work,, keep attacking, keep attacking.. and lets make the sodomites understand that they will never be accepted by a normal society…ever
Canisius correction no one is attacking but simply presenting the truth…they may think it’s attacking because they refuse to leave their sinful choices but the truth is always good.
Baloney.
peter, is your exclamation, “baloney”, your way of blogging that you are smacking your lips?
Boy peter, you sure like baloney.
I know it when I read it.
Skai and gravey…excellent gentlemen….we now know who likes baloney…peter
He should try something more tastier and gratifying in the soul sense….
Man arrested for beastiality, wanted sex with 4 month-old daughter, tried to coerce Mom’s approval
July 8, 2013
A 21-year-old Fishers, Indiana man is accused of bestiality but also of coercing his 4-month-old daughter’s mother to engage in a sexual act with him and the infant, according to Lt. Cameron Ellison of the Fishers Police Department.
After the police discovered sexually explicit photos on his computer, due to a tip from a family member, Luke Pruitt was arrested.
While delving through Pruitt’s computer, police found images of him engaged in a sexual act with a dog. In addition, police found text messages sent to his daughter’s mother.
Ellison said, “He was trying to coerce the mother of the child to bring the baby into the bedroom, initially to observe and then later to participate (in a sexual act).” The mother, according to Ellison, did not comply.
Ellison further said that Pruitt admitted being sexually attracted to his 4 month-old daughter.
Indy Star reports:
Pruitt was charged with one count of bestiality, as well as six counts of child exploitation after police found that he also was in possession of child pornography. He is not facing any criminal charges involving his daughter, though that remains under investigation.
Pruitt and the infant’s mother are not married.
He is scheduled for a pretrial conference in August and a jury trial in October. He has since bonded out of Hamilton County Jail.
“out on bond”; maybe this alleged perp will skip and make it to the FBI most wanted list of fugitives.
It sounds as if the police who arrested this guy along with the detectives, prosecutors and all the journalist’ who have re-told the story are meddling in the “privacy” of this individual’s home . Let’s see according to pro-abortionist and pro-sodomist “they should mind their own business”. After all, if this guy was born to desire sex with animals and babies, wouldn’t he then have a god-given right to do so? In addition, given modern secular wisdom, the mere fact that this man’s sexual proclivities are in the minority, should further support the need for special protection under the law for him and others like him.
Tracy – Let’s try this one on for size. Adults who agree to engage in sex with each other have a right to do so. Adults who force sex upon someone who cannot give agreement (children, mentally impaired, physically impaired, sleeping people, physically weaker people) do not have a right to force themselves on the victim. Do you understand the difference between a person who victimizes someone, and a person who enters into mutual consent to do something? Is this really a difficult concept for you?
People don’t have a right to do immoral things simply because they find someone else who will go along with it.
YFC, this is a Catholic site, not a legal site. When you say adults have the right to engage in consensual sex, you need to specify that this right is a limited right, ie a secular legal right. Such a thing is not a God given right unless it is within natural marriage or holy matrimony.
YFC, first of all I disagree with you that “adults who agree to engage in sex with each other have a right to do so”. According to the Gospel and to Church teaching this is not an absolute right. I have been consistent with this point in all of my post over the months on the subject. Unmarried people do not have the right to engage in sex with each other. Married couples do not have the right to engage in sex with each other while contracepting nor may they engage in unnatural sex with each other. Couples who are not lawfully Married in the eyes of the Church do not have the right to engage in sex with each other. Why do I follow Church teaching and not my own feelings on this subject? Because the Church is given the authority by Christ himself. I believe this with all my heart….Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life! One day I will stand before Christ and have to answer to Him. I do not believe that He will tell me that all of those things in the Bible and taught through the authority of the Church was silly and that I was stupid to believe it, since the majority of my fellow Catholics rejected it. I don’t think that he will tell me that indeed I had a right to enjoy my sexuality in any way I chose and that I missed out during my lifetime. Yes, the world and you might call me stupid, but my Lord won’t.
As to your second comment, I will stick with the assertion I made in my previous post.
Not-YFC, Your crap is beyond belief. You are a self identified homosexual, living in a homosexual relationship (mortal sin). You defend/promote homosexual behavior on this site, leading others into grave error (mortal sin). After all this, you admit to taking communion (mortal sin). And then you have the nerve to call others liars and accuse them of bringing shame upon themselves. Diabolical.
gravey amen for putting the puzzle together…..way to go!
TO Skai says:
July 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm:
Fair enough Skai, a good point.
SO Tracy, only something like 15% of the US is married by the Catholic Church. Is it your position that the other 85% do not have the right to have sex? So throw out the First Amendment?
YFC, what I said was “Couples who are not lawfully Married in the EYES of the Church do not have the right to engage in sex with each other.” I did not say IN the Church. And if you were truly Catholic you would know that what I am talking about is the rights or prohibitions demanded on each and every human being by God through the authority of Jesus Christ and His church. Whether one is a believer or not, each and every one of us, from the beginning of time, will one day have to answer to Christ the King.
The first amendment is concerned with: the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, religious freedom, freedom of assembly, and the right to petition. The statement “freedom of sex” is not there.
Tracy – the Church doesn’t get to say who is LAWFULLY married outside the Church. That is the job of the State.
The Church doesn’t get to dictate to people outside the Church who has a right to do anything.
You seem very confused about the difference between Holy Matrimony, which the Church gets to regulate, and marriage licenses, which the Sate gets to lawfully regulate. And it is the State who gets to decide what the rights are that go along with marriage licenses.
You can’t just mix all this up into a jumble of words that make no sense, hold no authority, and frankly, confuse everybody. The very notion that the Catholic Church would have some say in whether the two espicopaleans next door are lawrfully married and whether they have the right to have sex with one another is just downright bizarre. You’d be laughed out of the city council meeting for saying such a thing.
Tracy don’t waste your time with YFC, he is Catholic in name only and being he is an admitted sodomite his god is the phallus
YFC, As this is a Catholic website, I’m making the assumption that you and other Catholics understand that I was referring to Canon Law, when I used the term “lawfully married in the eyes of the Church”. Indeed the Church does make those distinctions between non-Catholic couples who are validly married in the eyes of the Church and those who aren’t when a determination is needed to see if one of those parties is free to marry a Catholic in the Church. If the marriage tribunal determines that the non-Catholic party meets the criteria for an annulment, in other words, never “validly married” in the eyes of the Church even if they were legally married in the eyes of the State, then they would be free to remarry in the Church, given they meet the other criteria as well.
So given your example to the Church determining if the two Episcopalians are lawfully married the truth is that this has and does happen when the two Episcopalians divorce and one of the parties desires to re-marry a Catholic in the Church. So YFC, if this is the first you have heard of this then you would need to further investigate, otherwise my explanation here still might not make much sense to you.
I think the real misunderstanding between us, YFC, is that you accept the State as your god, which has its limits in regards to jurisdiction and I accept Christ the King, not only as my God, but in addition, as having jurisdiction over the whole universe and everyone in it.
Oh, and let those in the City Council Meeting laugh all they want. Jesus himself predicted that these things and things much worse would happen to his faithful followers. Jesus Christ reigns forever!!! YFC, repent, subject yourself to Him, live a chaste life and you will never be disappointed!
Tracy you are the one who said that it is the Church who grants to non-catholics the “right” to have sex. I don’t think Canon law says that. But even if it does, you mixed the civil issue about who has the right to do what when you quoted the US Constitution.
Besides which, please don’t go around saying things like the state is my God. You have no right to bear false witness against me, especially when you pretend to be blameless in your pursuit of Christianity.
And I am waiting for an apology for you for being so forward and inappropriate in your delving into my private life.
YFC, I can’t blame you for twisting my comments. I’ll even leave room for the notion that you can’t even comprehend what I have said. You are trying to defend a vile and evil practice, which can never stand up to the Light of Christ! (let me clarify, not my light, but the Light of Christ!)
Asking for an apology is just another tactic to divert the conversation from the core of my message, which is, if others knew the truth behind details of the homosexual lifestyle, any support you currently possess would be washed down the drain! Am I being forward? Yes!!!! Am I being inappropriate? Not one little bit!!!
Oh, and as far as accusing me of bearing false witness, this is also just another tactic to silence me. None of what you have posted here, indicates that Christ the King is your God. But you sure do give lots of authority to the State and human judges. Remember, even Jesus was called a devil by the Pharisees.
YFC writes, ” Do you understand the difference between a person who victimizes someone, and a person who enters into mutual consent to do something? Is this really a difficult concept for you? ”
Yes YFC, we do understand because you have been re-victimizing Jesus on this website since the day you arrived without our mutual consent but this is a difficult “concept for you” to realize because you are MORE attached to homosexuality than you are to Christ. No man can serve two masters. We know who your master is because you do not agree with or accept the teachings of Jesus Christ and his Catholic Church. In other words you do not mutually consent to the truths of the Catholic Church yet you continue to enter posts into the CCD website and re-victimize Christ and his faithful followers with evil lies and distortions. You call yourself a fellow Catholic because you have found and surrounded yourself with liars and thieves of truth who enable each other’s fantasies and pretend that they love God when in essence they are ONLY loving their sin. They also choose to re–victimize Christ in order to rationalize homosexual acts. No one wanted to know about your private life. Without our consent you chose to re-victimize Jesus and you have shoved your lifestyle down the throats of the faithful without their consent, so yes, we do understand the meaning of someone who victimizes others in order to rationalize and justify serious sin and serious acts of depravity.
YFC, You have treated Jesus terribly. You are blinded at this time so you do not even see it. Your lies are not valued, your distortions are not valued, still you have been shown much love and much mercy on this website. Aside from having the greatest gift of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass offered for your conversion, Tracy has offered you the wisest, most charitable counsel, “YFC, repent, subject yourself to Him, live a chaste life and you will never be disappointed!”
You have sought the counsel of the ungodly and you have been lied to. There is no such thing as a Rainbow Bible. Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of a lack of hospitality. That is a ridiculous made up lie and I am sure that even the devil himself never thought he would have so many gullible takers when it came to selling that ridiculous story about a lack of hospitality. He tricked you YFC and now you want others to follow in your deadly gullible footsteps that rationalize sin. I am sure you are probably much more intelligent in your business dealings than you have been with the immortal dealings of your soul. You would stop a thief right in his greedy tracks if he tried to steal one penny from your personal bank account, yet you caved in and let a thief steal and squander your most precious inheritance of all, which is the promise of Eternal Life.
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they chose depravity and perversion and they refused to obey God.
Douay-Rheims catholic Bible
Psalm 1:1
1 Blessed is the man who hath not walked in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stood in the way of sinners, nor sat in the chair of pestilence:
Romans 3:21-25
21 But now, without the law, the justice of God is made manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets. 22 Even the justice of God, by faith of Jesus Christ, unto all, and upon all them that believe in him: for there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and do need the glory of God. 24 Being justified freely by his grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins.
To me, it’s pretty obvious that Tracy and YFC are struggling over to what extent is it right to use state force to enforce Catholic morality.
Everyone here never really addresses this as a separate question. When talking about the law, pretty much everyone assumes that the state should enforce Catholic moral doctrine. Yet, the CCC tells us this is not the case.
The CCC explicitly teaches that it is immoral to compel attendance at Church through legal force—even though failure to attend Mass (for a Catholic) is a mortal sin. Thus, we know that not all Catholics moral doctrines should be enforced by the state.
(And, yes, Skai, the CCC is not authoritative in its entirety. My understanding is that its a mis mash of dogma, doctrine and current theological opinions of the Magisterium rolled into a single manual. It is, however, a Church-endorsed representation of its current teaching on multiple moral issues).
BTW, it seems to me that this directive of the CCC is an implicit distancing from Thomas Acquinas’ teaching that secular and religious authority cannot truly be separated.
With respect to gay marriage, this is simply another issue about to what extent is it proper for the Church to demand the state enforce sexual morality. We know that that Magisterium believes that the state should not allow gay marriage by law. Tracy also mentions all kinds of other aspects of Catholic sexual morality.
Should we, or should we not, criminalize pornography, masturbation, birth control use, fornication, gay sex, sexual practices that do not lead to procreation even if done within marriage, men or woman asking another to engage in fornication, and indulging in lewd thoughts?
Some of the questions such an analysis should address are: 1) what kind of state power would it require to enforce such rules and to what extent would state actors possessing such powers create temptation to abuse that power 2) how to respect individual free will when compelling obedience through state force and 3) what is the basis that justifies using state force to compel obedience to Catholic morality?
Any theoretical framework you construct should explain why it is immoral to compel church attendance by state force yet why it is moral to enforce “thou shalt not kill”. Until you construct a rigorous approach to these issues, all you’re going to do is end up in pointless screaming matches that will devolve into “I’m right because God said so, and no you’re not—because God said so.”
There is a Rainbow Bible. I think it is King James version and it has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is color coded according to themes in Scripture.
MarkfromPA
I can certainly see why you are so confused in so many different aspects. I am not angry with you Mark. Thank you for letting us know that when you were in the 8th grade your parish priest took you and your class to the Jewish temple to learn other religions. That explains a lot. It’s a terrible shame that your teachers did not know the Catholic faith or teach you the Catholic Faith. It’s never too late to actually learn what the Catholic Church really teaches but for now…Shalom
Tracy says, “the police who arrested this guy along with the detectives, prosecutors and all the journalists”: What?! The cops arrested detectives, prosecutors and journalists along with the guy himself? Tracy, please read your blogs and hit the grammar button before the post button.
Catherine, you attack Your Fellow Catholic. What about how you have treated Jesus? When you mistreat your neighbor you mistreat Jesus. Are you so blinded you do not even see it? Your lies are not valued, your distortions are not valued. But most people fear you and your wrath so they remain silent. (Before you get too angry, know that I am quoting your own words here.)
It is horrible to say to someone “The state is your God.” How can someone say “You are more attached to homosexuality than you are to Christ.” How can Catherine write the things she does and then invoke Jesus Christ? I don’t understand why she says “No one wants to know about your private life.” How often has she been the one to post remarks about his private life (which of course, she could not know anything about unless she was involved with him or spying on him.) (Or she could be clairvoyant which is a sin against the first commandment.) Why do people with all their sins think they can take up a reproach against their neighbor? How many times in Scripture does it say that it is not right to do so? People obey Christ about 1% of the time then they feel free to rebuke those who may have committed a sin that they have never been tempted with or they are tempted with it and have managed to conquer the temptations thus far or even a sin that they have committed. Our Lady at Medjugorje said “Do not think ‘I am good and my neighbor is not so good.’ You will not be correct.”
Do you know what “shalom” means? Why do you not live it? That was a totally snotty post, Cathy.
The enabler asks, “Do you know what shalom means Cathy?” Shalom is a word that was taught to Mark and his eighth grade religion class when his parish priest took them to learn about other religions at a Jewish temple. Apparently his teachers completely skipped the words “faithful” and “obedient” back at his parish school.
Gospel according to St. Luke Chapter 12 Douay Rheims Catholic Bible
[51] Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. [52] For there shall be from henceforth five in one house divided: three against two, and two against three. [53] The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against his father, the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother, the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. [54] And he said also to the multitudes: When you see a cloud rising from the west, presently you say: A shower is coming: and so it happeneth: [55] And when ye see the south wind blow, you say: There will be heat: and it cometh to pass.
[56] You hypocrites, you know how to discern the face of the heaven and of the earth: but how is it that you do not discern this time? [57] And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just? [58] And when thou goest with thy adversary to the prince, whilst thou art in the way, endeavour to be delivered from him: lest perhaps he draw thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the exacter, and the exacter cast thee into prison. [59] I say to thee, thou shalt not go out thence, until thou pay the very last mite.
Tracy says, ” After all, if this guy was born to desire sex with animals and babies, wouldn’t he then have a god-given right to do so?” OK, Tracy, other than a minor grammatical error, this is a perfectly composed sentence, totally clear, and completely concise. No one could have written the idea better. The grammar error is the “was” which should be “were”, because the sentence is hypothetical and requires the subjunctive mood form of the verb “to be”. The form “was” is the past tense, and since the idea is a speculation and not a reality, then past tense is not grammatically appropo.
Skai, why don’t I just give you a red pen, so you can make the corrections. Clearly you do understand what I write here or you couldn’t have made the corrections. Anyway, I will try my very best to avoid any future grammatical errors before pushing the “post comment” button. In the mean time, if you ever feel the necessity of using your red pen, you have my blessing to do so. Every writer worth his weight has an editor.
Tracy don’t take it personal, skai was just pointing something out to help you clarify better. He is on our side and I’m sure he wants you to convey well…so no pun intended. Approach with humility. Thanks
Abeca, while I often agree with Skai, my experience with him is that too often he is carelessly “quick on the draw” as well as hyper-critical. My favorite is when he called me a Calvinist. For these reasons, I usually first scan what he writes before I decide whether or not I want to bother reading what he posts. Still, ultimately, even critics like Skai help to keep me at the top of my game.
Interesting OK Tracy fair is fair…Skai hope you got that…I know you to be a humble gentleman that will take it in and reflect. God bless you.
Tracy to be frank…I think that most of us have been there done that in being “quick on the draw” as you have called it, LOL or maybe sometimes we are just misunderstood….especially if one might be rushing through but I found that skai usually is good at replying and loves a good challenge but most just give up or just don’t go back to reply in detail. Don’t write him off yet…..you’ll see …..but glad that you too agree with much of what he says…..it’s nice that we can seek to be like minded in Christ. I also appreciate your honesty. I know you meant it in charity as well, God bless you. : )
Abeca, as always, I appreciate your input. It sounds as if maybe you know Skai personally, which, if so, could be one explanation as to why you understand him. I only know him through his posts. The truth is that I see an oft repeated pattern with him as being hyper-critical and quick to respond before comprehending what myself and others have written. To that end, I personally find many of his post to be neither useful nor interesting, and too often downright obnoxious, even if I do sometimes agree with the content. As you well know, I am not afraid of challenges, but I can only speak for myself when I say that I find Skai’s style to be “crazy-making”. This is why I usually give up on him. Our past conversations have too often gone down the path to fantasyland.
Skai, sorry buddy, I know I’ll probably be seen as the bad guy in your eyes, but it is what it is. You win, I surrender.
lol actually Tracy I don’t know Skai personally but we have gotten to know many here through their regular comments and he is very consistent in his defense of the faith, I appreciate his style and I do understand his style too, but don’t fret, even St. Paul and St. Peter didn’t always agree on how to spread the faith, they both had different styles but what mattered most was that they used their own personal gifts honoring God.
(Skai) He is one of the regulars since the beginning of this website….actually if you had read all his comments from the beginning of this website…he really knows the faith well and defends it well…I think that most of us regulars just aren’t new any more. I believe Skai was JLS which if you read older articles, you will enjoy much of his witty wisdom and knowledge. He is really good, I have also learned a lot from his style and he has a deeper way of viewing things( and I most of the time get him). Sorry that maybe this time around you two bumped heads but you are a good sport to share your patience. God bless you. : )
Tracy, I just noticed this entire sub-thread of a week and a half ago. Are you sure you’re not fighting a battle with despair? Jesus is the answer, Tracy. Exchange your despair for prayer.
Be sure to thank the US Supreme Court for the legalization of: Pornography, Abortion, Sodomy (same-sex marriage), and Obamacare (forcing all citizens to pay for the immoral actions of others – abortion, contraception, voluntary sterilization, etc.) – The proliferation of the cancers in our society.
The US Supreme Court – due to their own actions – is not an institution that can continue to be respected. They have zero authority to promote immorality – yet they continue to do so.
Btw – any Catholic purposely viewing PORN (even if only for a few minutes) must still attend Mass on Sunday, but may NOT receive Holy Communion until he/she confesses his sin, and promises not to view any porn again.
Viewing PORN is a Mortal Sin.
CCC: 2354, 2396, 2211.
This is a truly sad story, which I am afraid is more common than ever given the ever increasing disintegration of the family and all that this entails. I wonder what Sal meant by the statement “I was having sex with all the students….” This was in middle school! And for those who are not familiar with the San Fernando Valley, much of this valley is part of the city of Los Angeles and therefore in the notorious Los Angeles Public school system. The San Fernando Valley used to be a respectable suburb but that started changing about 30 years ago.
I have met many a man who has been helped by Victory Outreach. They work primarily within the Hispanic community and thus are converting many who were baptized Catholic as children but whose upbringing was typically not wholesome or more likely downright horrible like that of this young man. Pink Cross Foundation is also Protestant, but doing good work that is not being done by Catholics. To the contrary, I have knowledge of a Catholic man who sends his kids to Catholic school, donates lots of money to his parish and his profession is the owner of a large and successful pornography production company in the San Fernando Valley. But heck for all the evil he is doing, he is doing a lot of good too, and by the way, we are all sinners so who are we to judge!!!!!
I’m with Pope Francis and most of you on this site, “the church needs to clean house”!!!!!
Tracy, have you gone bonkers, saying the porn business owner is doing good because he gives money to the Church? The Church needs souls, not money. The man is doing great evil to his children by in effect saying the the greatest thing for man is to excel at hypocrisy.
Skai, do me a favor, read every word which I and others have written before you provide any future comments. In addition, if the problem is with your comprehension skills, then I further suggest that you have another person read anything you intend on commenting on and discuss it with you first in order to ensure that you understand what you have read before you post any future comments.
“read every word which I and others have written before you”: Hmn.
Tracy, you should realize that I have no power to throttle your writing ambitions. But I do have the ability to make sloppy writing uncomfortable for you.
Often people who criticize my writing get replies, but seldom do they hang in on the engagement … doesn’t show much chutzpah, now, does it? To me it shows that they value their “face” more than the search for the truth.
Skai, don’t you recognize sarcasm? Tracy was criticizing that man.
PA, why would Tracy criticize a porno king who sends his children to Catholic school and pays big bucks to do so? Isn’t that in effect what you’re doing by preaching the wholesome goodness of gay activities while teaching kids the catechism?
Skai her comments were not as confusing as you have made them to be, your comments to PA….well more confusion…..PA is right about it, he saw sarcasm as well but I think you are trying to get PA to think as well……maybe let this one go Skai….
Skai she was being sarcastic… : )
Tracy I get what you mean…..when you sarcastically was trying to convey your disgust of that man being Catholic, sending his kids to a Catholic school and such….and is an owner of the Porn industry. Most would say today that he is still a good man just because he donates a lot of money to his parish. The excuse is “don’t judge”….I often get that comment when I find displeasure in hypocrisy…they tell me don’t judge….when in actuality I am discerning and they are doing just that to me, judging me for discerning and suppressing any practice of my virtues.
I think that people aren’t allowed to judge for themselves anymore(well at least it’s a controlled one and lukewarm people are ruling this earth for now) …many are losing the ability to discern and to reason to help form their conscience in good, in fact they are being conditioned not to. It’s a pity how crooked people have become with common good and common sense, they lack much.
I keep praying that our Lord would give us more miracles that will keep edifying the faithful in persevering in what is good because this world is so crooked that sometimes good people are caught up with all the confusion. It does happen to even the saints…..no one is perfect but that is not an excuse to not doing anything about it.
This man is in my prayers…..God bless him and help him. He has a long road to recovery and healing….it won’t be an easy road for him…so it would take our prayers and support for him. I don’t know him but I can pray for him. May he continue to reject sin and follow Jesus even if the cross is too heavy at times.
Also whether people have forgotten but this man lost his innocence at a very young age….he is a victim and we need to pray for him…regardless of how we feel or have opinions about. To a person who has gone through such abuse as a child…we need to be very charitable on what we say….for our words may cause more pain. We are not to forget that our focus is to help this person and anyone else who has been through such things…looking in His eye’s and searching for Jesus…for in and with Jesus healing is the real path that starts with our Lord.
This poor young man….how angry I am that he had such terrible abuse when he was so very young. Reading this story just got me so upset and super sad. Just to think it is still happening today and that many good men fall trap to circumstance.
His tragedies shouldn’t define him! We are not doing enough to protect our children……there are too many flaws in our laws and today’s thinking as well have contributed to these types of abuses. I despise sin! I can’t vocalize it enough….this young man didn’t have a chance instead he was raped and mistreated. I can’t express enough how sad I am by this…..I will pray for this man and others. God have mercy on us all.
Dead people walking.
YFC, heterosexuals by and large DO NOT GET Gay Bowel Syndrome, just ONE of the MANY noxious ailments afflicting the active homosexual community; you MUST know this as an active (?) member of said community. If you don’t, merely google “illnesses and diseases that afflict the gay community”, you’ll be exposed to a real eye-opener. But you and other homosexual apologists probably WON’T do this because you’d maybe begin to stop the toxic fog of unawareness that you all promote to obfuscate the terrible dangers of living the sodomite lifestyle. And THAT would be counterproductive to continually be giving in to S.S.A., which obviously FUELS the so-called ‘gay’ lifestyle. But I’m praying for you, brother, God knows as an active hetero (but married to a woman for many years), I’ve probably been guilty of innapropriate behavior from time to time. Thank God for Sacramental Confession. In the end, as I’ve said before, and borrowing a line from Venerable Achbp. Fulton Sheen, we will meet either the Beatific face of Jesus the Christ OR the miserific face of Lucifer, the arch fiend. NO-ONE escapes this encounter. The Catholic Church reports this, YOU decide the outcome. GOD BLESS ALL,MARKRITE
markrite I’ve never heard of “gay bowel syndrome” until a few days ago on this website.
So does this disease also inflict lesbians? And if it does, is that why lesbianism is also forbidden in the Catholic Church?
All forms of sexual contact outside of sacramental marriage and/or outside of an openness and ability to transmit a new human life is forbidden by God.
Gay Porn=AIDS!
Defining oneself as “gay” is defining oneself singularly as a same sex seeking person. Non gays don’t define ourselves singularly by our sexual practices. We define ourselves wives, husbands, doctors, teachers, etc and we join community organizations with a focus on serving the presented needs of the community. Gays define themselves by calling themselves “gay” singularly by their sexual activity and their “community organizations” seek to fullful their own needs and project their ideals upon the community – not what the community expresses for itself. Gays – self serving sex obsessed deviants. The rest of us can not and do not self define by our procure creative acts – just happen to be heterosexual as one characteristic of a fully formed human being.
*procreative
Great point Ann!