The following excerpt comes from an ABC News story posted on July 19.
Two men became the first same-sex couple to marry on a military base when they held their wedding ceremony last month at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst in New Jersey.
Tech Sgt. Erwynn Umali and his partner, Will Behrens, married June 23 on the base where Umali, an active member of the Air Force, had been stationed. It was a decision that would have been unthinkable just nine months ago, before the law requiring them to keep their relationship a secret was repealed.
“We asked [about holding the ceremony on the base], and they were very open about it, but [said], ‘No one has ever asked us this question before,'” Umali said in a Facebook chat hosted by Slate. “We did not get any push back from the base or leadership. All they asked was that we be patient because this was the very first one.”
Both men say this positive reaction is the same sort of response they have gotten since going public with their relationship to Umali’s peers in the military. After Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was repealed last September, Umali decided to open up about his relationship with Behrens….
About 150 friends and family attended the ceremony, which was officiated by Evangelical Lutheran Church Navy Chaplain Kay Reeb….
Both Behrens and Umali were previously married to women, and both have two children, all of whom were at the wedding.
“One thing that we know and want to show our kids is to be true to yourself and love everyone no matter what,” Umali said. “This is a victory for us because our kids still love us and we love each other and that is what they see.”
The family of six all went to Disneyland after the ceremony.
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Despite their words, they are not true to anything. Anyone who trust these people or those who allowed it is a fool.
It won’t be long before all the services and the three academies, plus the Coast Guard, will be entirely composed of homosexuals. Birds of a feather. Whether or not heterosexual women will continue to volunteer is another matter. In my day, 1949-’53, homos when discovered in boot camp were given an “Undesireable Discharge”. But then I was born and raised on another planet.
“It won’t be long before all the services…will be entirely composed of homosexuals.”
imagine all those guys with rifles saying, “you called me a WHAT?!?”
So much for upholding and defending federal law. This seems to be a violation of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) law enacted by Congress in 1996. Lower Federal Appeals Courts have declared the law unconstitutional, but the Supreme Court has not yet had the case referred to the nine justices for final resolution. Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services has even voiced his concerns about military chaplains being coerced into performing weddings that violate DOMA.
Obama and his Administration – for which he is personally responsible, do not care about the law. Obama violates the US Constitution if it suits his political goals. His Oath of Office (on a Bible under God) means nothing to him. His Justice Dept follows his orders. Therefore, the law DOMA is ignored completely. Immoral politicians do whatever they want.
Isn’t that special, NOT !
In 2005, 40% of our soldiers were Evangelicals and 60% “conservative.” No push back? What has happened? Are they really so brainwashed? A military that blesses same-sex pseudo-marriage would fire upon orthodox Christians, too. This a bigger story than most people probably realize.
You hit the nail right on the proverbial head! That is exactly what the Obamanation has been planning.
Pray for America, once the Land of the Free!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Well, Paul Joseph, you are so right. Look at all revolutions (except our own) where soldiers start firing on their own people almost at once. It takes just an idea to turn them into killing machines. Christians are constantly being denigrated in the press and on television, in the movies, etc. and slowly this is making our fellow Americans hostile to the very ideas that gave them what they have today. Actually, if I were honest, I’d like to find a quiet monastery and paint icons and pray and just tune it all out. Having a genuine pathological liar for a president is really wearisome and discouraging. Every day brings some bigger lie, bigger change…his busy minions scuttling around like orcs on the walls of moiria bringing ever more mischief and corruption.
Thank you, Dana and Mr. Fisher, for your support. God willing, US soldiers will never fire upon orthodox Christians, but if our country follows its present course to the end, then one day they probably will. Obama is a psychopath, and is to the Anti-Christ as John the Baptist was to Jesus. Dana, I’d like to “find a quiet monastery,” too, but don’t lose hope! The gates of Hell shall not prevail.
Puke is right!
If there was one thing OUR LORD died for, it was to show contempt on those he disliked.
The EVANGELIST St. John recorded Jesus saying: “let he who is without sin, throw the first stone”. But he forgot to mention that when Jesus realized that the hypocrites were about to stone a prostitute, (IE WHORE), he just about PUKED ALL OVER HER for accidentally saving her. But then he realized, since HE WAS WITHOUT SIN, he could throw the firt stone himself. Hit her right in the eye, giving her a fatal concussion.
That was funny!
Anyway, Sandra, let’s try to have contempt for everyone who isn’t like us.
Sodomites are condemned by God. The only salvation for them is to turn away from their sin. Nothing anyone does to a sodomite can possibly be worse than the condemnation they already live daily and practice for eternally. Gays either give up the sin or it just will continue to get worse for you. When you reach the stage of wanton mockery of God, then the odds of turning from your evil is low … but still possible hopefully.
St P, your “lord” died the instant he or it rebelled against the Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
As we know, this WAS NOT A MARRIAGE, but, only another attack against God and mankind. Isaiah 13:6-13, (The Day of the Lord) is about to happen very soon and we won’t have to leave our homes to see it. Have Mercy on all of us Dear Jesus, even though we don’t deserve it. +JMJ+
Actually during the predicted Chastisement, we are not supposed to leave our homes, and we are to close all of our shades so that we cannot see what God is going to do to these reprobates, nor are we to look out (if we do, our fate will be similar to Lot’s wife’s). Not all of them will be sodomites either.
We are also supposed to have blessed candles because they will be the only source for light, and they will not extinguish while the Chastisement takes place.
Also, we are supposed to place a Crucifix over all our entryways.
There will be no electricity or plumbing, so prepare for it.
We have been daring God to do this with our obstinacy in SIN!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
and for more military news, this time at FORT HOOD, TEXAS:
“The robed high priestess turned her back to the fire, faced a makeshift outdoor altar and blessed the essentials of life: water, bread and salt.
“Great goddess Freya, bless this creature of the Earth to your service,” she recited, after placing the shiny blade of her dagger over a small bowl of salt. “May we always honor the blessed Earth, its many forms and beings.”
The congregation, holding hands in a circle around the fire, replied in refrain “Great Freya be you adored.”
This Wiccan celebration of the vernal equinox didn’t take place in some secret spot in the woods. The site Was Fort Hood, and most of the witches were active duty Army.
On the U.S. military’s largest installation, more than 40 witches, male and female, celebrated the Rite of Spring on March 20 the day of equal daylight and darkness that symbolizes the witches’ goal of perfect balance.”
From The Wisconsin State Journal, page 7A, Thursday, May 13, 1999
Deflects attention away, distracts from the topic, then talks about Fort Hood Wicaans. max, is attempting to show the two stories as a perfect balance of equal darkness so that the homosexual issue, ( which is still a great problem within society and within the Church) will not be addressed by max, or seen as any different by max. We do have clergy that support this abomination and max is intelligent enough to stay on topic and defend Church teaching.
sir, yes sir!
boy, are you bossy.
and by the way, CATHERINE, with you around, i feel little need to defend anything, as you are doing a great job with your blazing sword of righteousness.
i’m reminded a bit of Xena, Warrior Princess! you go, girl!
What can anyone expect when Faithful Catholics and others of good will VOTE for evil politicians such as our current President. Not to mention 40 years of bad catechesis – and most Bishops still do not actively encourage the reading of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” within their own Diocese.
All Catholics who agree with this must remember that when governments give you rights they can also take them away. This may seem natural and normal to many, but it goes against the very nature of God’s creation plan. God is a God of justice and not of fairness. Justice will fall on those who lead others astray, especially children. I believe His love of us will not allow us to continue in our sinful ways.
…but its not a marriage. It is a disordered union of the flesh that denies life and is an abomination. God Love You.
I wish them well, and a long and prosperous married life together.
Too bad its not really marriage peter.
The odds are certainly against that,peter with a little p. Considering that a)They’re not married b)They’re both men, in case no one noticed c) what they’re doing is grotesque, disgusting and makes one want to gag, the chances for such sacrilege to bring anyone lasting happiness are slim to none. I think the military, our president, the democratic party and anyone thinking this okay and normal, permissible or good is utterly insane…totally round the bend. Our society is crumbling and these sick individuals rejoice. I wasn’t going to write anymore about homosexuals anymore because I’m so sick of hearing about it, but I’m not going to ignore this garbage. It is sick. It is evil. Homosexuals are satan’s tools. If that’s not plain enough for you, read what society was like even ten years ago before these mincing pantywastes rose to the surface like scum on a pond. Oh, I’m sorry…gee, I’m not sounding nice and Christian, all warm and fuzzy. Well, I for one do not want these creeps destroying the future for our children. They’ll be kidnapping our children to feed their frenzy. One wonders what all this sex-trafficing is about. Why do we never hear who is doing it or why? These perverts probably have a worldwide web to serve their insatiable addiction. Most of them have multiple partners, in back alleys, public restrooms, dark corners in bars…anywhere. They’re eating off one another’s faces in public parks for pete’s sake. The priest scandal that cost 3 billion dollars in this country alone was caused by them.. It’s time for people to DO something.
I am disgusted! This foolish Lutheran fools lied and mislead these men into more sin! Poor innocent children and all those who attended, you have brought more wrath upon humanity for your embrace of such deception! God forgive us and help us all repent and turn away from these evil mock weddings of SSA’s. God have mercy! The military is no place anymore for my sons, this great evil I do not want around our men who defend our country. Truly disgusting!
even the picture here disgusts me! Why did we need to know about this on this Catholic website. Especially when that is mostly the reporting s I read here, about SSA’s. God have mercy on us all! God help free these men from this disorder, may they turn away from sin and embrace God’s plan for those who suffer with this disorder! Lord have mercy! The picture is disturbing!
Maybe Obama or Holder will mention it when they go to Goliad, Texas. to
express sorrow for the 13 (latest count) illegals who died after crossing our unguarded border. After all, some bad things happen even in the noblest of causes.
Hello bigots and so-called Christians,
You really cannot stand to see two people be happy, whether they are straight or gay…you should be ashamed of yourselves. What do each of you know what love is? Do you all know the mind and will of God? There is nothing in Scripture that upholds marriage as we understand it now, unless you endorse plural marriages (as in the OT), or forcing women to be seen as property (and viewed that way) during the Middle Ages through the nineteenth century (that lovely walk down the aisle between father and daughter meant something entirely different then).
“Bigot” is a pejorative. Who is the hateful one? Same-sex attraction and homosexual acts are different. Homosexual pairs, by definition, cannot perform the marital act, which, at least in principle, is procreative. Thus, homosexual pairs cannot truly marry. The criterion for exclusion from marriage is not same-sex attraction, but behavior. One might not be able to control the former, but one can certainly control the latter. Uncharitable and reductive remarks disparaging the Church are no counter-argument.
There are a number of emotional brickbats tossed in the above.
First, there are many happy people who are not married. There are many people who would be happier if married, but who cannot marry.
As for the mind and will of God, we understand these perfectly with respect to marriage, since Christ Himself directly contradicts your assertions conceding Scripture, here:
“Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.”
We really do not care about your slanders concerning how we ought to be ashamed of ourselves for trusting Christ over your hysteria.
But we certainly wish you well, apart from your insane assault on civilization’s oldest and most important institution, marriage,
On that front, we are indeed at loggerheads :-)
We should not wish them well unless it is through repentance.
Haven’t you learned by now that they don’t give a hoot about what Holy Scriptures say. I am not saying you should not continue to quote Scriptures to them, only that you must be realistic in yours expectations from such quotations.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Speak for your self, Rick in your cumbaya sensibility! Loggerheads indeed. Lord, spare me. You make it sound like it’s just a disagreement among hale-fellows-well-met but for just the little piccadillo of men marrying men. Well, you’ve registered your disgruntlement. Time to go back to work.
chasne see: QUOTE – – – 1 Cor 6:9 – ” Do you not know that the unrightous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolatoers, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS ….will inherit the kingdom of God.” – – – UNQUOTE.
Those who love their neighbors as commanded by Jesus will want them to repent to get to Heaven for eternity. Never tolerate sin. Admonishing sinners is an Act of Mercy.
Some years ago, Cardinal Ratzinger told Howard Dee, who was then at that time the Ambassador of the Philippines to the Holy See, that the Secret of Fatima corresponds to what is revealed by Our Lady of Akita in the Message of Akita in Japan. There Our Lady foretold a great chastisement that would be worse than the great deluge, the flood, that was spoken of in the Book of Genesis.
Pope Benedict XVI told a crowd of 500,00 faithful at Fatima on May 13, 2010, “One would be deceiving himself who thinks that the prophetic mission of Fatima is concluded.”
The above photo and accompanying story truly lets us know that we have fallen into a great abyss of darkness that Our Lady of Fatima warned us about.
There is no time for prideful discussions we need all faithful Catholics, including the SSPX to return home to Rome during this most perilous time in Church history.
The SSPX as well as most of the Independents want to return Home, but not at the cost of surrendering to the modernist and their insane versions of ecumenism.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Fisher: – – – Mark 9:38-41 includes: ” Do not forbid him……. For he that is not against us is for us” – Jesus. There are non-Catholics who will get to Heaven.
Max, Fort Hood is not the only DoD military base to approve of pagan Wiccan services, the USAF Academy also sponsors a facility for the morons to meet and practice their witchcraft. God save the country and have mercy on the DoD leaderships souls. Oh the military service has changed so drastically since I left it behind nearly 10 years ago. I was so proud to be in uniform, now the US military has gone down the toilet/sewer ever since Mr. Obama and his pro-homosexual friends have taken over the government, have and continue to set out to take over our minds, hearts, and livelihoods too. My very patriotic sons who once wanted to attend the USAF Academy and enter active duty honorably, detest likewise and have changed their minds on account of the horrible sinful, despicable changes we see publicly going on before us like gays getting free reign, wearing their uniforms at gay pride parades in Hillcrest/San Diego and else where against long and standing policies upheld in the DoD Regulations/Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). What is going wrong with our military leadership? Clearly they aren’t! They’re unwilling to stand up for what is right as opposed to sick political correctness. Watch recruiting go down hill. Yes it may very well take the draft to draw the good back into the military ranks. Is this a smart price to pay for less than pleasing 2% of the population, where even a fraction of them have the courage and honor and selflessness to go into the military. Most gays I would guess are “lovers” not “fighters” and cowards who would never dream of going into the military and especially into battle to defend our nation’s moral values and principles they don’t believe in; unless of course they are given plenty of undeserving social-economic privileges. Many of the DoD senior service executives and flag officers (generals and admirals) allowing this to happen should be fired for letting Obama use the military services as a decrepit social experiment. WND news reported on the 18th of July that the Center for Military Readiness (CMR) points to the CMR Policy Analysis called “Chilling Trend of Sexual Assault in the Military,” which reports that “sexual assault in all branches of the services have increased by 22 percent since 2007.” (Clinton approved the Don’t ask Don’t Tell Policy in 1993, plenty of time for homosexual perversion to grow in pride and daring). It also states that violent attacks and rapes in the Army have nearly doubled since 2006 to 1,313 last year, with 5 percent of the assaults on men. Furthermore, it reported that in “all branches of the service, male sexual assault victims have increased significantly, from 10 percent in 2010 to 14 percent in confidential reports.” My prayers are for their children, who will grow up in a house controlled by satan. I hope and pray with Hollywood’s inability to be creative due to their dementedness that they won’t pick-up on this and come up with a new “Brady Bunch” prime time show for the 20teens (2013 – 2019)! This is revolting. I’m politely asking for DoD military resignations! It is time to step aside when right is wrong, wrong is right, leadership gives into sin and loss of integrity, for disobedience and disrespect in the ranks soon follows. Finally, I close with read St. Paul’s Epistle in his letter to the Romans Chapter 1 versus 24 through 31. If that Epistle doesn’t point out the evil of homosexuality and how it offends God, than the sympathizers and practitioners are simply doomed.
I hope and pray that you are not endangering your retirement benefits that you earned by making these comments. They don’t care about rules and regulations.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
I’ve been a constant advocate of conscription. Men who are totally p$ssed off by having to be in the military will not tolerate fools, idiots, loonies, criminals and gays running the show. The draftees for the most part are there to do a job, which is winning a war or battle and simply will be “mad as hell and won’t take it anymore”. Let some candy-derriere general or admiral try to effectively command draftees and see what happens.
I agree wholeheartedly, Colonel. My son graduated from Annapolis back in the 1990’s. I’m sure he wouldn’t even consider going there now. Do you suppose that is why they’re doing this? To weaken our military? I hate sounding like a paranoid plot finder, but on so many levels our country is being dismantled. I can’t believe what is happening. I sympathize with you and all the wonderful families who made our military the very best in the world. Now, it will be the laughing stock. It’s a sad day indeed. My father was in the navy in WWII. I’m glad he didn’t live to see this day!
Consider that the modern military uses a lot of video game type devices. Sodomites apparently do well enough with this technology … at least as long as they are respected by being promoted according to their sexual prowess and feminist advocacy … and if nobody demeans them by saying anything real or about God. Back in the day teen boys might go up to Hollywood to “roll a queer”; today I wonder if the likes of Vlad Putin are gathering to go up to the United States and roll it.
PS…please read my comment on’ How CALCATH Survives’ post.
And by doing something, I really mean SAY something. People must speak out and support truth. You can’t fight evil with fear of offending or a murky idea of fairness. This is our time up to the plate, and we’re letting our team down. Do you think our beloved saints would have tolerated what is going on? Do you think St.Catherine of Sienna would have said, “Oh, what’s to be done?” and wrung her hands futilely? I am speaking the truth with a love of truth. I do not love the sin. As I said in my post “Califonia Bishop says gay marriage unjust to children’,July 23, at 8:34 am many of these people have become their sin…a huge difference from having same sex attraction and feeling sadness and despair. How we must pray for these dear people.
The editor saw allowed an outsider post here on a Catholic website and use the word bigots to the Christians here. We live in backwards and evil times.
I think the Chaplain looks cute in her uniform!
I blame the top tiers of the military officer ranks who cowardly failed to resist this abomination being imposed on our once proud military by Obama (Caligula)and Catholic Panella as they selfishly only looked out for themselves and their positions while they sold out the rank and file military personnel. Next failing to resist is our own degenerate and hardened heart sick society who made hardly a murmer when this was imposed. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. This is one more death stroke of an already dead nation which wears the bones of dead men but fail to recognize it.
There is a brilliant comparison and constrasting of military officer types in “Battle Cry” by Leon Uris. He depicted two types of Marine Corps officer. One entertains the ladies at their social luncheons in the government centers, and the other trains to win. In the first battle scene in the book, the first type cut and ran, and the second type stayed and got his platoon out of the trap. The war was won by the second type. The opening days of World War One were like that at the very top of the officer heap. After three months of English vs German with losses to the Allies of 3 million killed and wounded, an actual general officer, a brigadier, left London and traveled to France where the fighting was going on, He was appalled that the generals had been making battlefield decisions from their nice accomodations in London at the terrible expense of extreme casualties … He noted that the general staff had no clue as to what the war conditions were like. Mad max belittles people in the same way who actually take the risks, win the battles and save the breweries. max, why are you so complacent about the Church in San Francisco when it is being overrun by homosexuals, abortionists and odious politicians?
chasne, no need for you to worry, as the gays have plenty going for them. You should explore what is known about Hell, as perhaps you’ll love it there. After all, it’s what gays practice for in the here and now.
“The world was overturned by a tremendous crisis of values and institutuions caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire, the invasion of new peoples and the decay of morals.” Then, St. Benedict appeared as a luminous star to point the way out of the black night of history. The Saint’s work and especially his Rule were heralds of an authentic spiritual leaven which changed the face of Europe inspiring a new spiritual and cultural unity, that of the Christian faith shared by the peoples of the Continent. adapted from Pope Benedict XVI’s General Audience 9 April 2008.
Great quote, k. The world needs a new monastic movement. Presently the seeds are being sown but the blossoming is a far piece up the road yet.
Yes, thanks for sharing that k. It resonates, doesn’t it?
Where did you see the picture of the heretic Lutheran Protestant Ministress? It wasn’t on this site. Was it on the “Gay Blade”?
May God have mercy on your compromised soul.
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Fisher – If you click on the”full story” link at the bottom of the article, there is a picture of her and the two grooms. Professionally, I wonder who catered the event.
Oh Mr. Fisher .. And how can you decide my soul is compromised because I like the design of a uniform? Also – one of my catering customors is a Lutheran church. Are all those nice people heritcs?
KENNETH has a very precise list about heretics, but he’s probably never been to a nice lutheran church potluck with hot dish and jello molds and all that fun stuff garrison keillor writes about.
of course, in the luthern world, the missouri synod luthernans think the evangelicakl lutheran church in america is a heretic bunch.
people really like that word: heretic.
in fact, some greek bishop got chastised recently by the ecumenical patriarch of constantinople for callilng pope benedict xvi a heretic and three times denouncing him 2with the word “anathema.” another fun word, apparently…
“In a late March letter to Archbishop Ieronymos of Athens and All-Greece, the patriarch [Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople] said he was especially concerned by a recent statement by Metropolitan Seraphim (Mentzelopoulos) of Piraeus, invoking an “anathema” against the pope, Protestants, Jews, Muslims and ecumenists.”
The utter truth is that the sodomites on this site would call God a bigot and hateful!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Man and women are “complementary” to one another. They were created by God to go together perfectly with all the right “plumbing” and to perform the greatest of all human events–create another life. Two men or two women cannot do this.
Actually, Kenneth M. Fisher, we would call your depiction of God a bigot, as his teachings are bigoted. God is not a bigot.
peter: please explain how God, the creator of the universe is a bigot according to His Divine law. You have never answered me in my inquiry about how you can justify homosexual relations as natural when it is contrary to the human reproductive system. I am still waiting for an answer that explains how medical science is wrong about human reproduction. God Love You.
Can I just say what a reduction to seek out seomone who truly is aware of what theyre speaking about on the internet. You definitely know the best way to convey an issue to gentle and make it important. More folks must read this and understand this facet of the story. I cant believe youre no more fashionable since you definitely have the gift.
peter, your way of choice making personifies bigotry.
thank goodness the military STILL has fine non-sodomites in the ranks…like those outstanding young marines in today’s article who attacked that pregnant woman because one of them didn’t want to have to pay child support for her unborn baby.
what an inspiration they are to true american manhood.
max, Your posts have a very consistent pattern of trying to dismiss the disorder of homosexuality. Your words “what a true inspiration they are to true american manhood” is your own way of obfuscating or crying out to distract others from seeing the truth about the particular disorder. of homosexuality. This is exactly why homosexuals should not be priests. You are also proving with your own posts that you are unable to address each specific sin that is being committed and why each one of them is offensive to God in its own unique way. It is a case of the blinded mis-leading the blind.
Is your last 7:21 am post an overreactive and dramatic response slap back to Col Thomas’s post above? You never responded to his post. Did it offend you more that the Col used the word ashamed to describe what is taking place in our military?
max, When it comes to the specific topic of homosexuality, it is the one topic where you completely lose your objectivity. If you can use your humor mask to call me Xena Warrior Princess, you are showing that you are more interested in protecting sin and protecting hurt *feelings* over defending the teachings of the Catholic Church. The picture above and the story is an abomination to God’s Natural Law. It is more important for you to lash back at anyone who finds this offensive and this demonstrates the reason why homosexual clergy cannot be objective and defend Church teaching when publicly necessary. It is a known reality that dissenters know how to publicly say they accept the Church Teachings on sexual morality but they publicly remain silent when it comes to challenging articles like the above story. You have proved the point with your silence and your joking distractions.
max, you are so blinded that you can’t even see that. I am embarrassed and saddened for someone as bright as you are to use Xena the Princess Warrior as your latest humor weapon or tool of distraction. Your blindness to admit the true immoral nature of the story above, caused you to select an old television show that is a favorite of homosexuals and lesbians. max, I am as sad for you as I used to be for my cousin before he repented. max, What does this have to do with the serious topic of the two men pictured above? You do not take the Catholic faith seriously and it shows.
Wounded anger often occludes the spiritual necessity to address the reality that the individuals pictured in the story are in grave danger of going to hell. This is more important than lashing out with masks of humor. This does not mean that the other two individuals who committed the heinous act on the pregnant woman are not also in grave danger unless they repent for what they have done. They are different sins that need specific counsel.
max, You seem to be unable to address each specific issue. You see max, a faithful priest would have to be able to do that. A priest who is giving proper Catholic counsel to the two men in the story above, should not lash out and say, “Look at those other non-sodomites in the other story. They are no better or no worse than you guys. I’ll protect you by making jokes and by straying off topic about Wicaans. I won’t address the specific nature of how you are offending God because I would also have to admit that I am showing that I am not as close to God, as I might think I am, or should be.
max, You were able to write something very kind and very worthwhile to the family who lost their son in the tragic accident. A faithful Catholic should be able to care just as much about the souls of all individuals, including the souls of the two men pictured in the story above.
“Over reactive and dramatic response.” I gotta remember that one.
thanks for spending so much time on little old me, CATHERINE.
you must be exhausted after all that.
Catherine, Max is making a point. It seems that some people are more upset about the picture here than they are about the pregnant woman who was brutally attacked. Such attacks on pregnant women are all too common in our society. And sadly some women have been raped or sexually assaulted by men in our military and the military has protected the men.
Catherine excellent points!
Mark from PA, why do you always try to change the subject and defend the MORTAL SIN of SODOMY, by making it appear that its not so bad. If indeed you are Catholic – go to confession to Save your Soul. You are trying to lead others to sin. You never tell homosexuals to abstain from sex.
Speaking out against attacks on pregnant women and speaking out about rapes of innocent women is leading other to sin? Give me a break, Dottie. I don’t need to go to confession for my comments. It you don’t like me speaking out about violence against women, too bad for you. I have a right to my opinion.
Actually, it was an attempted abortion by assault.
Mark from PA, you youself have said that you never use violence in any form and have never hit anyone, so what would you do if a woman was being raped right in front of you, and you had no phone to call the police? Dottie is right. You just mentioned this to change the subject as your own total non violence dequalifies you from saving any woman if she really does need a defender.
Speaking out is totally different from actually doing something about it.
A pathological “Joker” type demonstrated his deeper nature last week in Aurora, Colorado.
Chasne and like in kind homosexuals/their sympathizers, you are uncontestably wrong. Our Lord wants marriage for the primary purpose of procreation, (secondary purpose for the husband and wife to help each other and their offspring to get to heaven). Obviously you haven’t heard or read the gospel of St John Chapter 2 “And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there. And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage.” It is one awful thing to deceive yourself; but it is far worse to deceive others, especially little children and adolescents being forcibly indoctrinated with accepting homosexuality in our schools and those adults with weak morals which can be summed up very easily in holy scripture: St. Matthew 18:3: “ . . Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” And St. Mark 9:41: “And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.” Ken, I believe you are right. These homosexuals and their sympathizers are masquerading as christians, they doubtfully have copies of the scriptures, and if they did they don’t read them but rather follow Lucifer further by defying holy scriptures.
Chasne and like in kind homosexuals/their sympathizers, We heterosexuals don’t expect that you will accept St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans Chapter 1: “ Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.  Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.  And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.  And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;  Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers,  Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents.  Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.  Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them. Note that the Douay-Rheims Holy Bible expands upon this with a foot note to verse 26 for clarification: “God delivered them up: Not by being author of their sins, but by withdrawing his grace, and so permitting them, in punishment of their pride, to fall into those shameful sins.
What you fail to see by the lack of grace in your soul is that the catholics and Christians on this site who disagree with you do love and care about the health and well being of your souls. They want you to stop sinning as homosexuals so that you will be in God’s favor and be with Him forever in heaven. They do not despise and hate you, but do hate your sin. Your criticism and hate of the heterosexuals is only the devil’s work. Please also stop with accusing God of making you homosexuals. He did not, it is not a genetic factor, it is purely the devil controlling your behavior to lead you into the wrath of hell. Science has proven it; but it shouldn’t take science to convince you, no rather out of your love for God and to avoid offending Him any longer, homosexuals should stop their sinning.
MD – “I am still waiting for an answer that explains how medical science is wrong about human reproduction.” Huh? Men and women make babies. Yes, I agree. Have never disagreed.
peter-my question is how you justify using your reproductive organs for non-reproductive actions, i.e. homosexual activity? If you agree that the reproductive organs are for reproduction “men and women make babies,” how do you justify homosexual relations? This is the answer I am waiting for. Please explain how you find homosexual relations natural and justifiable for you to participate in this lifestyle. Aside from your attraction to men, how is it you feel it is natural to engage in sexual activity with other men? I see a strong dichotomy here. God Love You.
I have to say peter that I didn’t really expect you to reply because I think my questions are too difficult to answer for you. You admitted that men and women make babies, the nature of sexual reproduction but any time someone has asked you to defend using the reproductive system improperly you don’t reply. Why is this peter? Do you actually believe the lies you tell yourself to continue this lifestyle? The homosexual lifestyle is a giant lie. I’m looking forward to your reply. God Love You.
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Well, doesn’t Max have a point concerning the Marine who set-up and battered his girlfriend and his unborn child? It isn’t as if sodomy is the only sexual sin running rampant today.
Those of you who seek to blame this all on Obama and the liberal ilk are blinding yourself to the reality that while the American people are not in favor of gay marriage today they are in favor of the cultural and intellectual predesecsors that make its support inevitable a very short number of years from now. To those who have supported the 70 years of ever-increasing militarism in this country: what do you do now?
Brian, it’s not so much about blame, because pointing fingers never solves anything. But, for one thing, we’re calling sin what it is, whether it’s a homosexual relationship or a man beating a woman with the intent to kill his unborn son. (what kind of man does that? I wouldn’t ever blame the military for that!) It’s important to name it. It’s important to expose all the smoke and mirrors used by satan to cover up what is truly ugly and wrong. All of us are so fragile and vulnerable to satan’s wiles…all of us! As Catholics, we must speak openly wherever we can because if you haven’t noticed, we’re speedily loosing our voice. They want to silence us when we speak honestly about the disgusting sin of homosexuality. They hate to hear that. But is it a good? Is it a thing of beauty and completion for two men to marry and do whatever it is they do? That is what brings them together…that dark unspeakable coupling. If it were men loving one another in friendship, do you think anyone would mind? No, it is this dark uniting that is so anti-God, for it mimics what God made and distorts it and mocks it. I hope I’m making sense?
Dana, perhaps what brought these men together was friendship. A friendship that developed into something more. These men are probably also best friends who will be there for each other through good times and bad, in sickness and in health. You and I don’t really know “whatever it is they do”. Why even think about it as it is not really our business? You may not approve of the sins of these men but you also need to realize that it is not a sin to love another person. The love that they feel for each other is not a sin.
Mark from PA, I admire you for fulfilling your vows to your wife. These men are divorced. Now, no we can;t judge, but we don’t hold them up as role models either. You are a role model for men who marry and later realize that their sexual orientation is something other than 100% heterosexual. Mark f. and John siple are role models for thoses who did not marry (I think) and repented from sin. Instead of making excuses for people, we should be upholding the virtuous and the repentent.
Mark from PA: I am finding your posts quite amusing these days. I find it hard to believe that you are as naïve as you try to portray yourself here when making comments that ignore the fact that these two men think that as a married couple only view themselves as bff’s. Really??? Do you think we are all folls to believe such garbage, to believe there is no sexual component to their so-called relationship? Mark, the love these two men have is a disordered interpretation of love for it is not life giving love, but if they are having sexual relations it is anti-love because it is causing death for one another. Mark, it is very healthy for two men to have a fraternal bond of love, that is a brotherly love rooted in Christ, but the love being referred to here is two men trying to achieve a matrimonial love which is absolutely impossible for two people of the same sex. God Love You.
I am not saying that there isn’t a sexual component to their relationship. I am just saying that the sex lives of others isn’t really any of my business. This isn’t something that I discuss with people. Perhaps you may think that I am overly modest in this regard but that is how I was raised.
Mark from PA: You are back peddling here in your argument. You stated that these men are together because they can just be best friends. That is such an absurd argument it is funny. Why would two men want to have a “marriage” if they were just best friends? Mark, they think they have a relationship equivalent to what a man and woman have, but it is impossible for presumption to be a reality. A man is designed to be with a woman and vise versa for a whole host of reasons; i.e. child baring, feminine and masculine complementation, life-giving sexual union, etc. Two people of the same sex cannot share nuptial love Mark and being best friends is not nuptial love. Mark, do you understand the true meaning of marriage? I do not believe you do for if you did, you would not justify two people of the same sex being married, but would stand up for the Truth of the Lord as spoken in Sacred Scripture. God Love You.
Mark from PA: The longer I engage you in conversation here on CCD, the more I think you are a coward who hides behind the rhetoric of a supposed victim that truly does not believe in the truth of the Church. Why is it you continually change or alter a topic when given specific questions or theological realities, or even factual evidence that debunks your opinion? I think you are who you are and you will not change your opinion since many people on this site have shown you through Scripture, the Catechism and other church documents that you are wrong on your views of sexuality and sexual orientation. I am more concerned about the people you teach false doctrine to and mislead with your subtle lies. I hope and pray that one day you be a witness of truth in lieu of being a prophet of subtle lies and partial truths. God Love You.
There is no “pregnant girlfriend battering” movement, Brian S. So how is it you compare it to the gay movement?
“Is it a thing of beauty and completion for two men to marry and do whatever it is they do?” Yes.
peter: how is this scientifically natural? How is it you can rationalize using your reproductive organs in the means of which you are using them? Why are you running scared from my question? If you are bold enough to proclaim homosexual pride, please explain how it is natural for the CCD readers here. You admitted that man and woman make baby and how it is natural, so how do you justify homosexuality? God Love You.
Uglier than sin, peter. But for those wallowing in it, it must seem like paradise. “Dogs returning to their vomit” (Jesus): the barf looks like paradise to the dogs.
Um Humm! “Where are your wives?”, Jesus Christ would ask. “We have none”, they reply. ” You have answered rightly, the Lord would say to them, “for the “wives” you have now are not your own.” I see two huge sins here, adultery and sodomy, and there is no way to get around it, no matter how much it is denied. They say they love everyone, but what a lie. They never loved their wives enough to be decent husbands.