Father Frank Pavone, a well-known pro-life activist and national director of the organization Priests for Life, has been dismissed from the clerical state for “blasphemous communications on social media” and “persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” Catholic News Agency (CNA) has learned.
In a Dec. 13 letter to U.S. bishops obtained by CNA and confirmed by multiple sources as authentic, Archbishop Christophe Pierre, the Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, wrote that the Prefect of the Dicastery for the Clergy issued the decision on Nov. 9, adding that there was “no possibility of appeal.”
“Father Pavone was given ample opportunity to defend himself in the canonical proceedings, and he was also given multiple opportunities to submit himself to the authority of his diocesan bishop,” explains a separate statement attached to Archbishop Pierre’s letter. “It was determined that Father Pavone had no reasonable justification for his actions.”
Pavone, however, told CNA Saturday that he had not been notified about the Vatican’s judgment.
The communication from Archbishop Pierre does not specify the actions that led to Pavone’s dismissal or name the bishop he disobeyed.
The statement refers to Pavone as “Mr. Pavone” and calls him “a lay person,” underscoring the dramatic and immediate nature of the Vatican’s action.
“Since Priests for Life, Inc. is not a Catholic organization, Mr. Pavone’s continuing role in it as a lay person would be entirely up to the leadership of that organization,” the statement says.
Pavone is still saying Masses, including one streamed online Saturday. The Priests for Life website states that Pavone “is a Catholic priest in good standing, and exercises his ministry in full communion with the Catholic Church.”
In an email to CNA on Saturday, Pavone said that he was not aware of the Vatican’s action.
“How did CNA learn about this before I did?” he asked. In a subsequent email he added that CNA’s inquiry was “the very first communication that came to me about this.”
It is not clear in what diocese Pavone, 63, is incardinated as a priest. On the Priests for Life website, it says he received permission from the Vatican in 2019 to transfer from the Diocese of Amarillo, Texas, where he was incardinated in 2005, to another, unnamed diocese.
Pavone hosted the show “Defending Life” on EWTN for many years until the Bishop of Amarillo, Texas, revoked Pavone’s permission to appear on the Network. EWTN is the parent organization of CNA.
Originally based in Staten Island, New York, Priests for Life is now headquartered in Titusville, Florida, within the Diocese of Orlando. That diocese, also, did not respond to CNA’s request for comment Saturday.
Pavone has served as the pro-life organization’s national director since 1993.
In that role he has a long history of conflicts with bishops, beginning more than 20 years ago with the late Cardinal Edward Egan of the Archdiocese of New York. Egan succeeded the late Cardinal John J. O’Connor, who ordained Pavone in 1988 and encouraged his pro-life work.
In his email, Pavone directed CNA to a document posted on his personal website titled “Summary of How Fr. Frank and Priests for Life Have Been Treated by Some in the Hierarchy.”
“We all expect that the pro-abortion groups, like Planned Parenthood, will target, harass and try to intimidate us. And they do try,” he wrote.
“But when such treatment comes from bishops and other Church authorities — which it increasingly does — it’s particularly deplorable,“ he added. ”Instead of supporting and encouraging the pro-life work of the Church, some of these men try to obstruct and hinder it, and abuse their authority to try to intimidate priests and laity who make ending abortion the top priority of our lives.”
Pavone has been at odds with Bishop Patrick J. Zurek in Amarillo since the latter became bishop there in 2008. In 2011, Bishop Zurek publicly suspended Pavone, though Pavone later had the suspension overruled by the Vatican. The Amarillo Diocese did not respond to CNA’s requests for comment prior to publication.
Pavone’s political activism played a role in his problems in Amarillo.
An outspoken supporter of former president Donald Trump, Pavone served on official Trump campaign outreach positions in 2016, and was originally a co-chair of Trump’s 2020 pro-life coalition, as well as an advisory board member of Catholics for Trump. Canon law forbids clerics from having an active role in political parties unless they receive the permission of their bishop.
In November 2016, Pavone filmed a video at the Priests for Life headquarters, urging support for Trump. The video was staged with the body of an aborted baby laid before Pavone on what appeared to be an altar.
Bishop Zurek said soon after the video’s release that he would open an investigation into the incident, calling it “against the dignity of human life” and “a desecration of the altar,” adding that “the action and presentation of Father Pavone in this video is not consistent with the beliefs of the Catholic Church.”
On his website, Pavone details his version of what happened in the video. He also has posted a transcript of what he said on the video.
“Much of the criticism revolved around my having placed the baby on an ‘altar’ and some started getting into technical complaints about what should or should not be done with an altar. But to the extent that they want to get technical, so can I, and I pointed out that this was a table in our office, not a consecrated altar in a chapel,” he wrote.
“That table, sometimes used for Mass, was also the place where all my videos in this educational series of election broadcasts were made,” he continued. “In retrospect, I should have made the baby video in a different location so as to avoid any confusion to begin with.”
Pavone wrote in his account that the baby’s remains were given to him so he could conduct a proper burial, which he said he did after making the video.
Pavone stepped down from the two positions with Trump’s re-election campaign in 2020 at the request of what he called “the competent ecclesiastical authority.” But he continued to use his social media platforms to advocate for Trump and denounce the Democratic Party.
Those posts led to another confrontation with Bishop Zurek shortly before the 2020 election.
In tweets that were subsequently deleted, Pavone reportedly called then Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden a “[expletive] loser” and said the Democratic party was “God-hating” and “America-hating” and that Biden’s supporters “can’t say a [expletive] thing in support of their loser candidate without using the word Trump.”
“What the hell do you have to say for yourselves, losers?” Pavone asked.
Pavone also reportedly tweeted that he would hear the confession of a Catholic who votes Democrat, “but we are trained that in the absence of repentance, absolution has to be withheld.”
In response, the Amarillo Diocese issued a statement disavowing Pavone’s comments, saying he used “scandalous words not becoming of a Catholic priest.”
“These postings are not consistent with Catholic Church Teachings,” the diocese said in its statement. “Please disregard them and pray for Father Pavone.”
The above comes from a Dec. 17 posting on the site of the Catholic News Agency.
go to lifepetitions.com to ask for an overturning of this travesty. already has 10,000+ signatures as of 9:15 am PT
I signed it right when I got it in my inbox. But I doubt the Vatican will overturn their decision. I do not know what God’s Will is, but I think the Vatican– is nuts. Especially in this era. They also refuse to punish or excommununicate bad clerics like the German Synodal Way heretics, Fr. James Martin, S.J., Abp. Paglia and his evil group at Pope St. John Paul II’s Pontifical Institute for Marriage and Family, and bad lay Catholics, like Biden, Pelosi, and Newsom (etc.) who promote abortion, gay “marriage,” etc. And the Pope praises hateful atheist Pro Abortion world leaders… today’s post-Conciliar Vatican– is nuts.
Did the Vatican defrock him because because he blasphemed God or because he blasphemed Biden? With the confusion coming out of the Vatican, they might consider the latter worse.
LifeSite news jumped the shark by calling what the Holy See did “spiritual rape” of Frank Pavone. Disgusting that LifeSite would say such a thing. But LifeSite has been one of those ultra-MAGA websites to stay away from for at least four years. I can confidently say that any Catholic who frequents LifeSite and supports their views is not a Catholic I would get along with. I certainly wouldn’t want to date a woman who was a fan of LifeSite. And I’m pro-life. Has nothing to do with pro-life or pro-choice. LifeSite is extreme. It’s about extremism. And fanaticism.
LifeSiteNews is too “radical” in their journalistic style for me, too. Many good, faithful, orthodox lay and clerical Catholic leaders in today’s world, are too young, also, for my own viewpoints– but they are excellent, and I greatly appreciate their fine work. LifeSiteNews is one of the very few Catholic news agencies who honestly and vigorously uphold the Catholic Faith. I support them, ignore their journalistic style, and am grateful for their good work.
God Bless Lifesite news, may their so called “extremism” lead to final destruction of the modernists/homo-filth that has crippled the Church
Yes bohemond, yes!!
Can you give an example of what you mean by ” LifeSite is extreme. It’s about extremism. And fanaticism”
Nobody has to “give you examples” to “prove” anything to little you. Silly. You go judge for yourself.
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LifeSiteNews is good because they link to their source material.
LifeSiteNews is bad because sometimes when you read the source material, it does not say what the blog claims it does.
LifeSiteNews is not Catholic and it often attacks the Church.
Wrong. LifeSiteNews is excellent and totally, faithfully Catholic. They do not attack the Catholic Church. They attack EVIL severely harming the Church. You ought to know the difference.
the wonderful Maccabbees seemed’ extremist’ in their days. we now see, the smoke having cleared, that they were saving Judaism and paving the way for the Messiah to make it through the gauntlet of Herod . It is believed that rabbis removed the Maccabbees account from the Book to prevent future invaders’ intelligence analysts from seeing the true potential of Jews to defend their religion and lives. Ironically, the Hannakuh story is in those books that were tucked away. Fr Pavone is a Maccabbean fighter and not afraid of what is ahead.
Obedience is a thing and he should own that.
But would that church discipline were not brought to bear disproportionately on disobedient orthodox Catholics than ‘progressive’ ones. Especially because there are far more disobedient ‘progressive’ Catholics than orthodox ones.
Oh, yes. Abuse of power, misuse of obedience… Dishonesty. As they say in the military– “R.H I.P.” (“Rank Has Its Privileges”) There exists massive corruption and dishonesty, in the post-Conciliar Church. We need better leaders.
Last straw.
Time to go SSPX and wash my hands of this evil.
James, stay on the barque of Peter. Do not jump ship, this is a test of faith for us all. Stay the course.
well that’s one less sinner in the Church at least…..
So now you know why the SSPX rejected the post-Conciliar Church. W
If given the choice– I would rather attend an SSPX Mass, than one said by a corrupt, dishonest Jesuit… you don’t have to join the SSPX as a layman, either.
Fr. Pavone is cited, “Regardless of his current difficulties, Pavone is urging people to remain in the Church.
‘I’m sticking with the Church,’ he stated. ‘No matter how corrupt the various clergy may be, it’s NEVER an excuse to go into schism or heresy.’ ” SSPX may be irregular in its canonical status but it is not in schism; its weddings and penance and Mass are all valid and now accepted from Pope Francis. Still, Catholics must find reverent worship, fidelity to Jesus in Scripture and Tradition, and freedom from oppressive authority. All of this is much more convoluted than simple “disobedience”. Pray for Father Pavone because his priestly character remains even if his clerical status is altered by church authorities> He is an inspiration to me with all his guts, energy, and risks for life and for the unborn child, the pregnant mother, and the soul of the nation.
Are you seeing his interviews on YouTube.
They met him halfway and he refused.
They wanted him to be a diocesan priest for half the time and were going to allow him to work with Priests for Life half the time.
He refused.
I did not see Fr. Pavone’s interview on YouTube, but from what I’ve read, his bishop wanted him to completely give up Priest for Life and become a full-time priest in his diocese. When Fr. Pavone asked if the bishop would give him a parish, the bishop said no.
The bishop at one time did suspend him and wrote to all the other US bishops to stop their congregants from contributing to Priest for Life while the diocese looked into the organization’s finances. Fr. Pavone then appealed to the Vatican and his suspension was lifted then.
That was a decade ago. On the YouTube interview, he said that he was transferred to a more supportive bishop and was given the assignment of half-parish, half Priests for Life and he refused.
I think it was the 9 minute video on CBN. It is on his youtube page and Priests for Life’s.
I have watched a few and they are kind of blurring together but I am almost certain that was the one.
This is so funny: “joining” the beloved, disobedient SSPX because one disagrees with the just penalty rendered to another disobedient priest.
It is really not funny. Self will is the path to losing your soul to perdition.
It’s not so much “funny” but ironic, is my point. It’s also tragic: so I agree. “Fleeing” to the beloved, disobedient SSPX is NOT the prudent response to this.
That photo shows one reason why this priest was defrocked. Trump was the better and more moral candidate to vote for in 2016. I voted for Trump. I believe it was sinful to vote for Hillary. But for a priest to wear a MAGA hat and stand next to a Trump campaign sign with thumbs up is unbecoming. Cast your vote, form your parishioners’ consciences well and in accord with Catholic doctrine, but don’t actively campaign for a candidate. You’re a priest, and some things are off-limits. Like going to Hooters.
Fr. Pavone is experiencing a white martyrdom at the hands of the Vatican itself. Let history show him as worthy, and them as vindictive.
According to his own interviews, he refused to obey even when they switched him to a “more supportive” bishop.
Catholics follow rules and obey the hierarchy. He chose not to do so.
This matter has triggered a huge response
in a very short time.
What is REALLY going on in the Church
and otherwise that we are being DISTRACTED from ???
Media sleight of hand at its best.
That’s right, when the bishop tells you to drop your pants, you must obey church authority.
Dear God, let the anger of the laity lead to a purging of the filth in your Church…
Starting with the Jesuits.
All he has to do is start a blog and put a donation button on his website or start selling schlocky merchandise. That’s what Anne Barnhardt, Fr. Zuhlsdorf, Taylor Marshall have done. You can have a pretty comfortable life giving the right people red meat. They’ll pay you to do it. I wondered why people in the 80s gave televangelists money. I wonder the same thing today why people give money to internet preachers. Religious hucksters then, religious hucksters now. There will always be religious hucksters and apparently there will always be gullible religious.
This situation of sin and dishonesty in today’s Vatican, is much worse than your so-called “religious hucksters.” The sinners will all have to tell God about it,vsomeday. Some in top Church positions undoubtedly also have a hot seat in “you-know-where,” with the Devil, waiting for them. (Including, many bad Jesuits.) Divine Justice will eventually prevail. This world is not ours– it belongs to the One Who made it– God.
God knows everything.
1Timothy 5:18 For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and “The laborer deserves his wages.”
Hmm! Could your dislike for Fr. Z have anything to do with his post about Archbishop Emmauel La Font of Pachamama infamy and his later conviction of sexual abuse and not being laicized like Fr. Pavone? What say ye?
Maybe his dislike stems from Fr. Z performing unauthorized exorcisms on the 2016 election tallying to try to get Trump elected. Fr. Z’s bishop called him on the carpet for that and kicked him out of the diocese.
I do remember Fr. Z talking about an exorcism, I am not sure you are correct about his motives for that if he did it, and if so, did he have some permission from some authority higher than the bishop? Things are very confusing at times with good bishops often being given authority over bad priests and bad bishops given authority over good priests. Fr. Z is definitely right about one thing: it is like a chessboard.
I am not sure Fr. Z said exactly that it was a chessboard, but the chessboards that he posts always remind me of what is going on in the Church.
Merry Christmas
Someone please remind me why I am not Sedevacantist!.
Because you don’t want to go to hell.
And Father Martin is in good standing?
What does he have to do with this?
If you can’t see it you are either blind or stupid
In other words, nothing.
Or Both
Don’t get your britches in a bundle. He just asked a question.
Which no one could answer.
They could only insult the person asking.
Do you know what it means to be a priest in good standing?
You are a priest in good standing if you molest altar boys and ridicule the piety of traditional catholics.
It seems a priest is in good standing if he gets along with his bishop. If his bishop does not mind Fr. James Martin scandalizing the faithful with his words and actions, then he is in good standing. Who is Fr. James Martin’s bishop?
Jesus was not in good standing with his hierarchy.truth over obedience marked Socrates,Jesus.
Fr James Martin belongs to the Jesuit order. I do not know if he is incardinated in any diocese. If he was, his bishop would be that bishop but if there was an issue with disobedience, he would be referred back to the Jesuits.
Why the Jesuits, who have ceased to be Catholic, are allowed to continue to exist without being suppressed while this priest gets punished I will never understand.
Lay Catholics can get very confused by these things.
There is a child in each of us that screams “No fair.”
It does not matter what another priest or order does.
People are not judged in comparison to one another.
We do not know even 1% of this story.
Just pray for everybody.
Confucius say, Man who tell truth bound to be found out sooner or later.
This is not about Pavone specifically but this is an error that I see not infrequently on this and other websites.
Just because someone is pro-life and fights against the evil of abortion does not mean that they are a good person.
They could be a thief, they could be a really mean person, they could slap their mother on a daily basis, they could commit any of the sexual sins.
Being a priest does not mean that someone does not do wrong things-we all learned that the hard way.
Something has been fishy for a long time with this priest and his organization. I do not even know if they even did the things they collected money for. When I used to contribute to them, they said they were an organization that educated priests on the issue of abortion.
There was a mild scandal and they put out their statement on revenue and expenses. $500,000 was listed as an expense that was used for “fringe benefits.” I stopped giving to them but I still thought he was an OK priest. Then there started to be unanswered questions that should have been easy to answer-like “who is your bishop?”
It just got too shady.
This whole story is weird.
fishy, if Fr Pavone were in the business of high living, he would have chosen thousands of better places to live than titusville,fl. even though it gets press – attention for the space program, it is a pretty sad, crime-ridden part of florida. but i agree thatfiscal reports are necessary for good causes.
Priests for Life and affiliated ministries have done much good work over the years. This is sad news. Yet, Fr. Pavone has been a rogue priest for a number of years.
There are numerous issues involving Mr. Pavone and Priests for Life. As I understand it, he left two dioceses when asked for financial accountability regarding the ministries which he led.
I personally inquired with Priests for Life and numerous dioceses about his priestly standing with any diocese. Priests for Life refused to answer my simple question: of which diocese is Fr. Pavone a priest in good standing?
(They would only refer me a letter by a canon lawyer, not a bishop.)
Priests for Life is headquartered in the Diocese of Orlando and Mr. Pavone apparently lives there. This is from the Diocese of Orlando more than two years ago: “Fr. Frank Pavone is not a Priest of the Diocese of Orlando and does not have faculties from Bishop John Noonan.” Yet, he continued to celebrate Mass there and for others via the internet.
Catholic clergy are not permitted to “freelance” or act on their own. They (we) must be attached to some Catholic bishop and diocese. Getting a letter of good standing from one’s bishop is not difficult. It is done frequently when ministering outside of one’s own diocese. It is unfair to blame the Vatican or the Pope for this sad situation. Mr. Pavone’s troubles with bishops go back at least until 2005 when he left the Archdiocese of New York (years before our current pope was in office).
Could Fr. Pavone have not found one bishop in the entire world to take him under his wings, so to speak?
A simple question any of us can ask Mr. Pavone or Priests for Life (which, as I said, I’ve asked directly numerous times): Of what diocese is Fr. Pavone a priest (in good standing)?
If you receive an answer, please let me and other readers know. Sadly, I think you will not.
Let us pray for all.
Apparently he is not a priest at all anymore if the news stories are true.
“You are a priest forever according to Melchizedek.” He is definitely still a priest.
Of course, in an ontological sense, he is still a priest. Yet, he is not to function as one anymore than Theodore McCarrick, John Corapi, Dale Fushek or others who have been dismissed from the clerical state. Only three Sacraments continue into eternity (regardless of one’s eternal destination) and Holy Orders is one of them.
As Fr. Pavone found out– Cardinal John O’Connor, a pro life prelate who ordained former Fr. Pavone to the priesthood– was one of the few prelates who really support Pro Life. The Pro Life cause has been an uphill battle, with Catholic clergy, for many years. I recall enduring painful derision for my Pro Life views, many times– particularly, nearly 30 years ago, after attending a good Pro Life workhop, bringing back many good ideas for my parish– and having the Pastor (a Dominican) brutally mock me, and humiliate me, for bringing these ideas to him. He thought I was a “backward” Catholic woman. He said that Pro Life is “too political,” and “women have the right to choose,” which he highly supported. Other priests have told me that, too. I and many others have endured this kind of painful humiliation countless times, in past years. Former Fr. Pavone had almost no support from the Catholic bishops, and really struggled– this basically good priest, with a good cause, ended up as a tragic “rogue priest.” On the other hand– there are many evil priests and prelates today, such as Fr. James Martin, S.J., who receive only praise and full support from even the Pope, for their wicked, immoral, heretical causes. Their mistakes, misdeeds, and heretical evils– and disobedience to Christ– are never questioned. I will NEVER call the former Fr. Frank Pavone a “Mister,” while calling Fr. James Martin, “Father.” Makes me sick! I will just simply say, “the former Fr. Frank Pavone.”
I am so sorry you were treated that way by your pastor. That is inexcusable. And, there are a few priests who I cannot in good conscience call “Father” because they do not understand spiritual fatherhood. (I then use their official title, “Rev.” ) Some have abandoned and even betrayed their flocks. Good fathers do not lead their children into sin or remain silent when they are wandering into it. Fathers do not let their fear cause them to run when their children are in danger, as do hirelings when the flock is endangered. “The former Fr. Frank Pavone” is an interesting appellation. May God bless you. And, thank you for your work on behalf of mothers and babies.
Deacon, a priest cannot find another bishop until the one under whose authority such priest remains grants the priest permission to leave. It was not done so for Fr. Pavone who incardinated into Amarillo under a different bishop, yet is bound by ordination promises to that bishop’s successor. Efforts were made, but final permission not granted.
Thank you, Father. Yes, I did find out that he was a priest of the Diocese of Amarillo and that they would not issue a letter of good standing for him. A reporter noted in 2020: “I called the diocese (of Amarillo) in October and was told by the administrative assistant to the bishop that he’s incardinated in Amarillo, and he is not a priest in good standing; they won’t issue him a letter of suitability when he goes outside the diocese…” And, since the move to Florida nearly five years ago, he has continued to celebrate Mass publicly without faculties from the Diocese of Orlando. Is he not celebrating Mass at their headquarters in Florida or is he “broadcasting” (via the internet) from some undisclosed location? Either way, is that not done in violation of obedience, which, as you noted, he promised to the bishop of Amarillo and his successors? You and I have both made such promises as well. This is such a sad and unfortunate situation.
In the above article he says that a table in his office is sometimes used for Mass.
What work did they do?
DCA – Yours is a well-balanced comment.
Meanwhile, James Martin prances around from diocese to diocese spreading moral error and is applauded by the Vatican. God help us!
Because the Church has had bad popes before.
Christ is the Head of the Church, keep your eyes fixed on Him.
Saint Catherine of Siena and other Saints have had to correct erring popes.
There is a reason why we pray for the hierarchy at every Mass.
This was a reply to Ron’s request: Someone please remind me why I am not Sedevacantist!
Do not participate in the making of celebrities out of priests and bishops.
That is not their job.
They get distracted from their jobs and they all fall.
His response to this is anything but humble.
For an example, see the career of John Corapi. Magnificent speaker, but he ended up conflating himself and his consequent celebrity with the message. A very great pity.
When will it happen to Fr. James Martin?
“How long, oh, Lord, how long?” As usual, the answer is “in God’s good time.”
Priests for Life takes in $10 million per year
from gullible fools
So what? Too bad they don’t get more.
There is much more to the story than just a bad tweet. Fr/Mr. Pavone has been consistently – for many decades now – flatly disobedient to his ordinary with Priests for Life income (10 M a year), insistent that Priests for Life is extra-ecclesial and non-Catholic (curious as that may sound), even though he works and achieves his fortune and fame as a regular diocesan priest. So, it is an obedience issue along with a money issue. One has to ask why a priest would move to three different dioceses. The answer is that he was continuously at odds with the hierarchy and fiercely protective of his own turf and mission apart from any advisement of his own bishop(s). He did some good work, but decades of this behavior regarding money issues, evasive decision making, a lack of personal integrity and most of all failing to be obedient to his ordinary all caught up with him, resulting in this penalty, which appears at first glance to be quite severe, but probably was the last of a long number of vetitia and other canonical warnings. Pretty sure he will pop up again soon in Pius V Society or similar.
El Padre, his Bishop– Amarillo Diocese Bishop Zurek– also abused him. Why don’t you comment on that?
Abuse accusations are serious. How did his bishop abuse him?
By asking for financial accountability? Or…?
I will not comment on Bishop Zurek’s relationship with Mr Pavone, other than to say that then Fr Pavone has consistently (as long as I have known him) fought and ignored the directives of his various ordinaries, including issues regarding the finances and Fr. Pavone’s long standing contentious behavior. This is why I say that there is MUCH MORE to the story than simply an offensive tweet or email. There is a section of the Code of Canon Law that deals specifically with what are called “Offenses and Penalties.” Beginning with C 1311, this section treats excommunicated and otherwise penalized individuals. I will first note that the Holy Father did NOT excommunicate Fr/Mr Pavone. On behalf of the Holy Father, it is likely that The Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura and the Congregation for Clergy went instead directly to C 1326 and C 1336. C 1336 states …”the following are expiatory penalties which can punish an offender in perpetuity, for a prescribed time or for an indeterminate time”…and this includes loss of clerical status (sub-section 5), “dismissal from the clerical state.” Pavone was evidently warned time and time again, and refused to change his ways and so C. 1326 was probably also cited, which amounts to the maximum penalty levied due to Pavone’s status as a priest of notoriety and, because he was particularly intransigent and avoided reconciliation with his various ordinaries. Furthermore, it sounds like he may have been in a status of what is commonly called ‘vagi”, (where we get the word vagabond) or, quite simply, Pavone is/was a priest without a diocese.
My analysis of the sad Pavone case is that the Vatican attempted to bring Mr Pavone into submission over a period of decades, failed to do so, and as a last measure, issued the decretal statement that Frank Pavone has “ipso” lost his clerical status with no further recourse. It is a really sad case, but also unfortunate that many people immediately assume malfeasance on the part of the Holy See or the Signatura.
The Vatican said that Priests for Life is not a Catholic organization.
When asked for comment, Mr. Pavone said that the courier who delivered his papers of laicization shouted, “This is Papa Francesco country!” A rainbow flag was reported to have been left nearby, along with a pachamama keychain and a copy of Fr. James Martin, S.J.’s book “Building a Bridge”.
Was that a joke?
Last I heard he claimed that he had not received notice from the Vatican.
NCReporter claims they have seen a copy of the letter and the letter claims that Pavone was notified on Nov. 9.
Other news sources just say that the letter was issued on Nov. 9.
And who would listen to anything the Distorter has to say? That would be like listening to anything that CNN has to say. Neither is a reliable source!
They are the old news source that has claimed to actually see the letter.
I’m waiting to see if Peter Kwasniewski is going to chime in about this.
But what if Patrick Coffin is right? Dr. Edmund Mazza too? Won’t that mean Father’s dismissal is null?
P. More to the point, of what diocese is (or was) Mr. Pavone a priest in good standing?
“Of what diocese,” you say, was Pavone? A diocese whose bishop– Bishop Zurek– didn’t want him, and constantly misused his ecclesiastical power to undermine Pavone and his Pro Life work, drivimg him to become a “rogue priest,” with no support. Many priests and bishops are not interested in Pro Life work, and consider it “too political” and “too controversial.” Zurek misused his ecclesiastical powers, and abused Pavone– and then got him defrocked. I bet Bishop Callahan will do the same thing, to Fr. James Altman. The post-Conciliar Church is no longer aligned as one Church, behind Catholic teachings. Big mistake. Prelates and priests are allowed to pick and choose, and make their own decisions today, on many things. Evil Holy Cross Father John Jenkins, Pres. of Notre Dame U., gave the big award to pro-abortion Pres. Obama. Evil Washington, D.C. Cardinal Wilton Gregory, affirmed he would not deny Communion to pro-abortion Pres. Joe Biden, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, nor any other “bad Catholics.” Jesuits give pro-abortion Rep. Nancy Pelosi Communion, even though her Archbishop barred her from reception of Communion. Argentine Pres. Alberto Fernandez, who always travels with his mistress, and always brings her with him to the Vatican, was recently given a private Mass at the Vatican, with his mistress, and both received Holy Communion. He has a wife and children at home. The list of evils goes on and on. Today’s post-Conciliar Church is very dishonest– and very DISOBEDIENT to GOD.
Even more to the point: Frank Pavone was NOT ordained by NY Cardinal O’Connor as a normal diocesan priest. Everyone forgets that. O’Connor ordained Pavone as a diocesan priest– with a special mission– to do his Pro Life work. He was not the usual diocesan priest, to begin with. And then as the years went along– everything got messed up. I no longer want anything to do with Pavone, because of his filthy social media posts, and all his “f” words.
They aren’t right. Francis is the pope. Not Benedict.
The downvoters need to examine their communion with the Catholic Church. If you don’t affirm that Pope Francis is the pope, then you are sinning against the unity of the Church, at least materially. Perhaps you are confused or under the influence of some self-appointed internet guru’s opinions, which would mean your sin is not a formal sin. But it is still a wound to the Church’s unity and places you outside of her communion.
Too much Mazza, Marshall or Barnhardt is not a good thing.
I think the outrage over Fr. Pavone’s support of Trump reflects the Vatican’s changing stance on sexual ethics. I am thinking, inter alia, of the gutting of the Pontifical Academy for Life and the likelihood that Bishop Heiner Wilmer, champion of the German synodal way, will replace Cardinal Ladaria as head of the CDF. Fr. Pavone is an embarrassment to those who themselves are embarrassed by the Church’s hostility, at least doctrinally, to LGBTQ+ orthodoxy. The price of schmoozing with the new learning is the silence of the bishops on Biden, Pelosi et al. and the silencing of priests like Fr .Pavone. I very much agree with those who see parallels with American bishops now and those in England at the time of Henry VIII. Only St. John Fisher withstood Henry to his face, and paid for this with his life; and so far only Bishop Strickland has come to Fr. Pavone’s defense, as far as I know. He does so knowing that Pope Francis is ultimately behind Bishop Zurek and against him. It will take a new pope to restore Fr. Pavone to the clerical state.
Everyone ought to read the tweets of Bishop Strickland (a favorite of mine) and Abby Johnson, on the laicization of former Fr. Frank Pavone– they are so sad. Former Fr. Frank Pavone helped lead the former Planned Parenthood director, Abby Johnson, into the Catholic Church, and helped her a great deal, with her Pro Life work. What a tragic loss.
I read the tweets. I had not heard before that Abby Johnson had 2 abortions. Glad she repented.
The more of Pavone’s responses that you read and hear, the more it makes sense.
Remember how Padre Pio responded.
He can still do pro-life work. He cannot present himself as a priest or say public Mass.
Now he’ll have to work for a living unless people will still give him free money or he can grift $500,000 a year from “Priests for Life” for “fringe benefits”, as he has done.
You don’t have to “grift.” You just pay yourself a salary.
if he took in 10 mil a year and operating costs as overhead (including salaries) were 500,00, that’s considered a very good clean, spare operation in the world of philanthropy. we’ll never know unless we see the flow sheet
They never show you that.
So this isn’t scandalous??? Archbishop Paglia has a large mural in his Vatican lodging showing an homoerotic painting?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/leading-vatican-archbishop-featured-in-homoerotic-painting-he-commissioned/
There is an article today by Russell Shaw in “The Catholic Thing,” stating that there is a rumor going around in Rome, that Pope Francis may soon issue an encyclical condoning artificial contraception. Nobody knows if this rumor is true. I don’t think a Pope can change Catholic teaching. This is horrible. Hope it’s not true.
This is the problem with the Internet.
There is always a way to wind up Catholics (especially the faithful ones) and then they start sinning.
You obviously have no understanding of the situation at all. No brains.
“The Catholic Thing” is a highly respected Catholic publication of the Faith and Reason Institute, of which Dr. Robert Royal is the President, and the Editor-in-Chief of this online publication. Dr. Royal has previously held many prestigious positions. He and Fr. Gerald Murray are the famed “Papal Posse” of EWTN’s “World Over Live” program. Dr. Royal holds a Ph.D. from Catholic University of America, and has authored a nmber of excellent books. Hopefully, the Pope isn’t up to something…
It does not matter how respected (by whom) the person who is the Editor is. If you are repeating a rumor, you are gossiping which is a sin. Then people who are weak in faith, repeat it and they sin.
I stopped watching EWTN because of Raymond Arroyo because I felt they were being misleading.
I looked at the article mentioned and once it got through the reasons that Catholics don’t use birth control, it descended into speculation and harmful gossip.
Please remember the feathers in the pillow can never be gathered back up.
Look what happened with Peggy.
Maybe she is already a sedevacantist-I do not know. There are some who post here.
Maybe she was just trouble stirring.
Or maybe she genuinely was misled.
To Rumor and EWTN– Don’t be deceived. Our Church today, has too many serious problems. Too much dishonesty and scandal. Faithful Catholic journalists are trying to deal with all of this– there is simply too much that is scandalous. A very hard job, for journalists. The Pope St. John Paul II Institute on Marriage and Family has been publishing material recently, that is against traditional, magisterial Church teachings on Marriage and Family, and they are questioning teachings of “Humanae Vitae,” as well as other issues. They no longer uphold Catholic teaching. It is a big worry, for Catholic journalists.
The Pope St. John Paul II Institute on Marriage and Family also has been questioning the Church’s timeless teachings on abortion, as well as artificial contraception. Paglia is their head. Evil.
If the pope changes doctrine — universally— is this infallible? I thought he could not change anything on faith and morals. If the pope is infallible and this pope changes doctrine and thus is not infallible — is he the pope??
Stop sinning
Stop attacking normal, decent people, upset and questioning the strange case of Frank Pavone, a huge Pro Life leader, who has done much good, and inspired many to join the Pro Life movement. The case of Frank Pavone is not as crystsl-clear as you think. Obviously, you are not involved in Pro Life work– or you would be hurting a great deal, as others are.
Mr. Pavone’s eternal soul is important, too.
The soul of Frank Pavone is none of your business.
I’m Catholic. I am a member of the body of Christ. I have been given the task to pray for the conversion of sinners and sanctification of the just, as every Catholic has.
Everybody’s soul is my business.
Although I am having Catholic guilt for not praying for him enough.
What a bunch of pompous nonsense! Go tell your priests and fellow parishioners you are daily praying and offering real hard sacrifices and penances for their wicked,, sinful souls– and will soon be canonized by the Vatican.
You are supposed to keep you deeds of mercy private, remember?
Peggy’s question had nothing to do with Pavone.
Pitifully brainless.
Maybe we are witnessing the end of Catholicism as a coherent system of belief.
Absolutely not. Why would you even say that?
Willful doubts are a sin.
And spreading them is worse.
These kinds of questions cause people to doubt and get them confused.
Many have gone into mortal sin because of these kinds of questions.
The Pope is always the Pope.
You have absolutely no credentials to preach, and absolutely no understanding of what is happening, in today’s Church. Go back to Kindergarten Catechism Class with your pompous garbage of “Willful Doubts.”
admonishing the sinner is an act of mercy.
Willful doubts (I guess they are called voluntary doubt now) is a sin. Involuntary doubt is not a sin but must be rejected immediately.
It is a sin against faith.
You have no training nor credentials to “admonish” anyone at all. Ridiculous. You do not know, and will never meet these so-called “sinners” you are blindly “admonishing.” Who do you think you are?
I guess I am a Catholic in a presence of other Catholics who do not know the basics of the Catholic faith.
No, you are a mere Catholic, poorly educated, pretending to be pompously “superior” to all the other Catholics.
In addition, me also displays ignorance.
I am always willing to be educated.
What am I ignorant about?
What is the point of being so vicious?
For starters, you are ignorant about the things you are ignorant about.
Sorry, doubts are O.K. and perfectly normal. You don’t understand the religious books you try to read. Go see a priest. The Vatican needs to have more doubts about the way they have lied about and covered up cases of clerical sex abuse. Plus, all their financial shenanigans. Yes, many in the Vatican have sinned grievously, for all the world to see. Focus on that– and stop picking Catholic posters to pieces, whom you do not even know– and never shall meet. You cannot possibly know their motives! And they do have the right to express their doubts, sorrows and disappointments, at a bunch of very deceitful, sinful, evil clerics in the Vatican. I am sure none of these Catholic posters have sinned so grievously and horrifically, as some top clerics today, in the Vatican!
Doubting whether some statement from the Vatican is true is not the same thing as doubting whether the Pope is the Pope.
Doubt involves an article of faith-such as the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Doubt about faith and morals is a sin such as those who do not accept the Church’s teaching on birth control.
If you wonder for a moment if the Church got that right, it is not a sin.
You should then do what you can to understand the teaching of the Church.
Doubt (voluntary) leads to heresy, schism and apostasy.
You really don’t get it. The Vatican is fargone in sin and corruption. They have done tons of evil to innocent people, including poor little children, victims of filthy pedophile clerics. Catholics really need to know about all these evils, and complain about them. Never be gullible for human beings in clerical robes. You have the right TO DOUBT the clergy of today! Just follow Jesus. And keep your children SAFE from clerical sex abusers. Not all clergy today, are practicing Catholic believers. Many are heretical, immoral, and in a schism with the Church.
Not the point.
You have the right to DOUBT. Period.
You have the ability to doubt. If you voluntarily doubt an article of faith, or even morals (like the immorality of birth control, sex out of wedlock, divorce and remarriage etc) then you have sinned. If you continue to doubt and spread your doubts, it can be scandal which is a grave sin.
No. Human beings do have their doubts at times. And that is natural and intelligent. You have doubts, too. Even the Pope. Too bad for you. Set those dumb books aside. You don’t have the ability to understand what you read. You use your reading material to viciously attack good commenters whom you do not know, and never shall meet. What is the intelligent thing to do, when a good friend, spouse, or family member expresses doubts? Attack and shame them? No! You LISTEN to them, with compassion and empathy, as Christ did. And you kindly comfort and encourage them!
Reply to reply to, you are using the word doubt in a different way. What you have towards the clergy of today is really suspicion. You are right to follow Jesus.
You are using the word doubt in a secularway.
Of course you listen.
Peggy’s comment which started this whole thing was scandal and a path to schism.
Sorry if I did not treat her gently enough.
2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:
Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Q. 1172. What is an article of faith?
A. An article of faith is a revealed truth so important and so certain that no one can deny or doubt it without rejecting the testimony of God. The Church very clearly points out what truths are articles of faith that we may distinguish them from pious beliefs and traditions, so that no one can be guilty of the sin of heresy without knowing it.
Baltimore Catechism (online)
http://jimmyakin.com/the-catechism-of-st-pius-x-4
The Catechism of Pius X on the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
Since, therefore, this Article, no less than the others, is placed above the reach, and defies the
strength of the human understanding, most justly do we confess that we know not from human
reason, but contemplate with the eyes of faith the origin, offices and dignity of the Church.
This Church was founded not by man, but by the immortal God Himself, who built her upon a
most solid rock. The Highest himself, says the Prophet, hath founded her. Hence, she is called
the inheritance of God, the people of God. The power which she possesses is not from man but
from God.
Since this power, therefore, cannot be of human origin, divine faith can alone enable us to
understand that the keys of the. kingdom of heaven are deposited with the Church, that to her has
been confided the power of remitting sins,” of denouncing excommunication, and of
consecrating the real body of Christ; and }that her children have not here a permanent dwelling,
but look for one above.
We are, therefore, bound to believe that there is one Holy Catholic Church. With regard to the
Three Persons of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, we not
only believe them, but also believe in them. But here we make use of a different form of
expression, professing to believe the holy, not in the holy Catholic Church.
Catechism of Pius V (Catechism of Trent)
I have noticed that one reason that people take the side of the priest who is in trouble (for whatever reason) is that they see a value in them. Which is good.
But then they assume this would not have happened if the person they are in trouble with (Pope, Vatican, bishop, pastor) was not in some way wrong (corrupt, evil, spiteful etc). Which is not good.
Remember the story Jesus told about the dishonest steward. (Luke 16: 1-8)
There is a new interview on youtube with Pavone that clarifies pretty much everything.
He is playing the victim but you can see the whole issue is his refusal to be a diocesan priest.
The religious leaders of the Catholic Church want to murder the sheep and make passionate love to the wolves.
Every interview he does, every statement he issues gives more of an insight into why he was released from the clerical state.
He did it to himself.
When you take a vow, you need to keep it.
Today at 4:21 pm (Pacific Standard Time) Dec. 19, 2022, (Fr.) Frank Pavone sent out a lengthy email message from his Priests for Life website. It is entitled, “Full Speed Ahead, I will not be silenced or canceled.” The story he relates is very different than what we have been given. Very good, everyone ought to read this.
Well, as a layman running an organization not officially recognized by the Catholic church, he’s no longer bound to obey his bishop. In a lot of ways, he’s freer than he was before. I’m sure he’ll maximize the fundraising opportunity this presents him.
According to his interview with Laura Ingraham, his disobedience has been going on for 21 years.
God is infinitely patient but we do not have an infinite amount of time to try his patience.
Well, after reading more… I am now giving up on Pavone, after reading some unbelievably filthy social media posts he wrote. Inexcusable, especially for a priest. Don’t allow your kids to read such things– filth from a priest, on social media. Inexcusable. What a shame. End of story.
At first, I didn’t understand what Frank Pavone had said, exactly, in his social media posts, that was “blasphemous,” with use of profane language. Fr. Murrsy had said previously, that Frank Pavone did not, by Canon Law, deserve a punishment of being stripped of holy orders, for this goof. Anyway– Bishop Strickland had previously stated, “Please don’t listen to this evil woman. (etc.)” regarding Hillary Clinton. Was this what Frank Pavone had also done– calling a pro abortion politician “evil?” No, I found out– it was much worse! He wrote some scandalous posts, using filthy language (the “f” word) which is a horrible thing, especially for a priest to do. A priest must always set the exanple– especially for kids, and for all society to look up to. A priest represents Our Lord! He must never lower himself to the filth of the Satanic gutter. You never want yourself and your kids, or your mother, your aunts, or your mother-in-law, or (if a man) your lovely wife– nor anyone else!– to be around an immature, and possibly immoral, filthy-mouthed man, especially a priest! Never! I am very disappointed in Frank Pavone. That’s the end, for me.
Be careful of your sources. There are all kinds of lies flying around. Remember almost everyone has an “agenda” whether for the good or for evil.
Unfortunately, the sources were direct, straight from Frank Pavone himself, on social media– not a reporter’s quotes. I have been on Pavone’s email list for “Priests for Life” and other things, for decades– since it started. With too many emails– plus social media– I cannot read every single thing. The only things I am sure to read, are from the Archbishop. Anyway, I was wondering about the complaints of blasphemy and obscene language, regarding Pavone. So, I went and investigated. Filthy! Couldn’t believe what he did! Especially, with young Catholic Pro Life kids and parents seeing this! Frequent use of “f” words, all over the place! A disgrace to the holy priesthood of God! At least, Pavone later went back and deleted one tweet with scathing, filthy “f” words about Joe Biden. The Internet should not allow pornography nor obscene language. That should be against the law.
Recently, I thought I heard President Joe Biden suddenly use the “f” word, on a newscast. I was shocked and hurt. The President of the United States should never talk like that, in public– to a reporter, nor to anyone! So, I went online, found a video of the local newscast to see that I was right. Did any schoolchildren see this? Clean up your mouth, Mr. President. You are representing America, our great country.
Biden has always been a potty mouth.
I had thought that only Trump had a filthy mouth. Well, they all had better grow up and clean up their filth. Our President and elected officials represent the United States of America. Schoolchildren should be proud of them, look up to them, and go to hear their public speeches. Place their hands over their hearts when the Flag is displayed, or when the National Anthem is played, recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school, and respect our great country.
No more “Father Stu” as well?
The Pillar has a good article that simplifies this situation so that those who are confused can understand it.
Pavone was on Fox News and Laura Ingraham called him out on his disobedience.
The Pillar article is the definitive explanation. Fr. Murray missed some things that the Pillar article got right. Pavone had this laicization coming a long time due to his recalcitrance.
She questioned him but seemed to accept his answer.
The Pillar article is the best dispassionate, clearest article I’ve read about this. Thanks for sharing that.
Read it for yourself at
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/priest-for-life-a-frank-pavone-explainer/
Is there anything there that is untrue?
Yes, I am a Pillar subscriber too, and the “explainer” is just great. Now I am all done with Frank Pavone. Next, I am wondering what the Vatican will do, about that creepy, horrific Jesuit sex offender, Fr. Rupnik. Born only recently, in 1973– he seems, to an “oldster” like me– to be a very “young” clergy sex offender. The Superior of the Jesuit Order says he was excommunicated in 2019. But what about being laicized? Creepy! Reading all about Rupnik makes me want to go and destroy all his artwork, set fire to it, and burn it all as trash. Next, go raid his bank account of any funds from his art sales– and give it all to the poor victims he sexually abused. So sick of reading about Satanic Catholic clergy sex abusers!
In a previous post, I had thought the evil Jesuit clergy sex abuser, artist Fr. Rupnik, was born in 1973. However, I misread his information. He was born in 1954, and entered the Jesuits in 1973. A very evil man. Looks like he was excommunicated in 2020, then repented, and the excommunication was lifted just a month later. However, next, reports of nuns he sexually assaulted in a community in Slovenia in the 1990s was made public, but the Vatican said the crimes were “too old” to prosecute. But overall, it looks like Church officials had actually cruelly covered up Rupnik’s abuse cases, in silence. The investigation is ongoing. Evil.
The quickest way for Frank Pavone to get reinstated is to get caught molesting an altar boy. Decorating his place with rainbow flags will also help his cause. Then he will be defended by the Vatican II Church.
obviously, no.
And maybe be named a Cardinal!
What is the record on this site for most comments on a story?
This story now has the record and will continue setting a new record with each new comment. This blows comments about gay marriage from years ago out of the water.
All the comments: TLDR
Can someone summarize? Is this news good or bad?
TIA
In the words of another Frank:
And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I’ll say it clear
I’ll state my case, of which I’m certain
I’ve lived a life that’s full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
We used to call it pride. The Internet calls it narcissism.
You are never more noble for sinning that for being virtuous, even if God brought some good from your sin.
I saw something else over at PFL that made me really uneasy as well. Their CEO/CFO writes all these religious themed books, many of them geared to children. His first two books he dedicated to his loving wife. But then-around 8 to 10 years ago-all of a sudden he’s divorced to said wife and is now married to his former editor-a woman 19 years his junior. Her father also works for PFL. Now, I SUPPOSE everything could be legit with their situation, but it really made me raise my eyebrows.
Shows you how corrupt and evil PFL is. PFL might as well be FJB, for all I care now.
Ohh… is that the guy who wrote the book about Mary’s wardrobe?
That’s it. All these opinions. From now on I’m only going to listen only to those who are perfect. Oh, that’s right,
Jesus and Mary
As a former donor to Priests for Life, I had no idea that it was not a Catholic organization.
I assumed it was.
Let’s see if we can get this article over 200 comments. All that is necessary is for jon to make an inflammatory, trolling comment that provokes responses.
I think the Fox News interview was the end for me. When Laura Ingraham called him out on his disobedience and his reply was “this started 21 years ago with Cardinal Egan…”
Translate: I’ve gotten away with it for 21 years.
I don’t buy the “It’s the Democrats” or “It’s the bishop’s in league with the Democrats.”
Nope. It’s the Lord trying to save a soul.
We can be too patient and too merciful for too long.
It becomes habit and we automatically don’t do what we should no.
Sometimes it is because we really don’t want the person to suffer the just consequence.
I learned the hard way.
Your translation is just your way of putting words in someone else’s mouth. That is sinful. Stop sinning.
I just watched the Christmas Eve message from him and this person still needs a lot of prayer.
There are 3 vocations: priesthood, married life and single lives dedicated to God.
Padre Pio had his faculties removed; he was not removed from the clerical state.
At least he is not wearing his collar and that black leather jacket (was that a nod to Corapi?)
I noticed long ago when people want to persuade of you how holy they are, they show pictures of themselves with Pope John Paul II.
At least he says that he amends himself to say that his work is not pro-life; it is anti-abortion.
He has been listening to people and our prayers are being heard. Keep praying.
Jeff John, I do not think it is a sin. I think it is obvious that I am interpreting it based on other behavior.
It is how some people think.
A lot of people are not sorry about their sins but only about the consequences.
I know someone who when confronted on their wrong-doing, makes up lies or distortions to try to appear more noble for doing wrong than if they had done right.
And people believe them or accept their excuses and non-apologies or give them another chance. Usually because they are nice people who are being merciful.
But the wrong-doer actually believes that their lies and excuses worked so they keep doing it.
They might even believe that God is helping them get away with it, that God is on their side.
Then they run into someone who wants things done correctly and they play the victim and act like the right-doer is persecuting them.
You just admitted that you are not interpreting based on facts but on your own personal bias. It does not appear that you are sorry for your sins. It appears that you are justifying them.
Name the sin.
You claim that putting words in someone mouth is a sin.
Yes if you lie and say they said something that they did not say.
When I said translate, I said that he did not say it.
What sin do you think I committed?
You are trying to make it look like he said something that he did not say. That’s called lying.
It is clear in my post that he did not say that or even think that.
It is an explanation of how something wrong goes on for 21 years.
It isn’t about Pavone as much as the cycle of mercy and justice that humans (especially Catholic Christians) fall into.
Pavone had consequences along the way.
I believe God does this too. You might have a mild consequence to stop your sinning, but if you keep sinning you will have more serious consequences.
Some sinners can’t stop. Some won’t stop. Some will have worldly consequences but still end up in hell.
It is clear that you are trying to walk back your comment because you got caught lying.
There’s your 200 comments. You’re welcome.
Love wins translation: support gay marriage.Reproductive rights translation: support for abortion and birth control
Pro-life and Pro-choice translation: support for legal abortion
Are these lies?
The good is the enemy of the best. In Catholicism there is nothing more important than the priesthood. A priest is given the power to say the words of consecration and Jesus comes and hides his Body, Blood Soul and Divinity under the appearance of bread and wine. Even the angels are not given that power.
Pro-life is good. Priesthood is best.
Is it good to be a priest when obedience to church authority requires you to bless sodomy-sex unions?
Obedience to Church authority in the Catholic Church requires you not to bless those unions.
If church authorities command you to bless those unions, you must obey your superiors with religious submission of will.
That is not going to happen. And no, you do not obey and you take the consequences.
Frank Pavone is taking the consequences.
If you are talking about the situation in parts of Germany or Belgium, the priests do not bless the couple, the couple blesses each other.
I do not think it is something any priest should take part in.
I do not think it is required of a priest.
No, ordained priesthood is best for those called to be ordained. But the vast majority are best called priest, prophet, and king. It is eminently clear that ordained priesthood was not best for many who had no business at the altar.
I agree 100% with YFC. Men who are sexually attracted to altar boys should not be ordained as priests. (You opened the door for that one, YFC.)