The following comes from a June 10 story on KRLD- a CBS affiliate in Dallas-Ft. Worth.
“I have a friend in my precinct who introduced me to the idea of ‘reparative therapy,’” says Cathie Adams, President of the Texas Eagle Forum.
The Tea Party group spearheaded the effort to get the Texas GOP to endorse psychological treatments that seek to turn gay people straight. “This therapy that was something that was very healthy and good and positive in his own life.”
That friend of Cathie’s is Jeremy, a 36-year-old North Texan, who for fear of retaliation did not want his last name released.
“I don’t think I would’ve gone on much longer being as conflicted as I was,” Jeremy said, who thinks reparative therapy changed his live. “I tried gay affirming therapy and I realized that wasn’t going to work at all.”
Jeremy’s journey began several years ago, and up until that point, he identified as an out gay man.
“I did for about 12 years actually, starting in high school and up until about 4 years ago,” he says. “I lived a pretty active gay life, even though for me, it was something that never felt right.”
He says finding a fulfilling relationship in the “gay” world was a major issue for him. “I didn’t really have my own sense of being a man; I felt that I was constantly trying to obtain manhood from other people and become a man through them,” Jeremy said. “There was never any one man that would work and so I was constantly going from one relationship to the next.”
And that’s when he tried “reparative therapy” under the guidance of Dr. Joseph Nicolosi in California, who was one of the founders of the controversial National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality.
“My attraction to my own gender has decreased a lot,” Jeremy said. “And it has been about 4 years since I’ve had any interaction with any kind of gay relationship. And the desire for that is about half of what it used to be.”
Jeremy says he even sees himself married with a family and kids in the near future.
To read the entire story, click here.
What a courageous man….and I do mean MAN! Affirming stories like this must surely bring hope to other men who feel trapped and coerced in the gay culture? God bless him and continue to lead him to his true vocation.
Conservatives often claim that there are massive numbers of ‘ex-gays’ who have been made straight by gay aversion therapy. They’re lying. The truth is the people who speak on behalf on gay aversion therapy are as big of frauds as the therapy itself. Take Paul Paulk, for example, who was the spokesperson for a debunked ex-gay therapy program. Paulk admitted that the therapy hadn’t made him ‘not gay’ and wrote a public apology to all the people he had deceived and harmed.
Gay is not OK! Stop offending God and turn away from sin! DO all repentant sinners a favor and stop spreading your deceptive ways. Love Jesus not homosexual lifestyles!
Jesus loves Gays as well as yourself. Jesus does not hate Gays.
Our Lord never used the term “gay” to refer to souls. “gay” is a modern day agendized word! So once a person labels themselves as such, then they are rejecting God and His natural law. Our Lord asked us to hate what He hates and love what He loves. But I don’t expect a practicing homosexual activist to understand what it means to take up His cross and walk with Christ. All “gay” activist reject God’s command to honor His natural law.
Sodomy is a mortal sin because our Lord said so! The saints have warned the faithful against Sodomy and have even said that those types of sins cry out to heaven for vengeance!
Abeca … As a Catholic, currently “non – practicing” homosexual let me remind you that our Lord Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Gospels, was totally silent on homosexuality or homosexual acts. If he were to return to Earth this week, I somehow don’t think He’d be speaking at NOM’s March for Marriage.”
Our Lord defined marriage, C&H. Sexual relations outside of this arrangement are deigned impure, be they heterosexual or homosexual. But even in the defining of marriage, Our Lord referenced how it was in the beginning – that is one man and one woman, C&H, the purpose being procreation. Not fruitlessness by design. Think of the fig tree.
A self professed Catholic alluding in any way that Our Lord endorses sodomy of any kind is disturbing and blasphemous.
Nice try but I personally know many groups of ex-gays but they have to hide in the closet for fear of the intimidation and viciousness of the radical gay lobby.
Nonsense, Ronnie. Stop being trite. There’s no such thing as “ex-gays”. Since when have heterosexuals ever been “in the closet”.
your attempt to stifle Ronnie with charges of triteness and dismissal bears witness right here on CCD of trying to place those who have successfully been healed from SSA in the closet, peter. you may not have had similar experiences as you seem to have accepted the inclination to act on certain stimuli, but others do not share your approach to their affliction. stop trying to silence those voices just because you and those you associate with want to force everyone to your way of living/thinking. especially those inclined to please God no matter what the personal cost.
Stop being trite Ann. Sexuality is immutable as you well know. i have no problem with those homosexual individuals wishing to follow the directive of the church to live a chaste celibate life. That is a personal choice. But abstinence does not an “ex-homosexual” make, nor does pretending to be heterosexual like so many clearly do. The entire “ex-gay” movement is a right wing political farce aimed at discrediting and undermine the truth about homosexuality: we’re born that way. “Ex-gay” essentially means “never-gay”, or as it’s more commonly known, heterosexual.
trite seems to be your bash word of choice, peter, to try and silence the truth. what I well know is precisely what I wrote to you. you are not the sum of your inclinations even though you may want to group up with those similarly afflicted. we are *all* similarly afflicted by the inclination to do that which is not good for us and against God’s laws. there by the grace of God go I, peter…. that means overcoming sinful inclinations whatever they may be is a matter of corresponding to grace.
your presumption of immutability is nonsense and sells the human race out to nothing more than base instinct. that is no acknowledgement of what we are called to be and can be by God’s grace.
Gay stuff is never OK! Gay is agenda, gay is modern day sodomy acceptance etc
BRAVO TO ANN MALLEY, a voice of reason in this thread!
One man’s experince is not a foundation for national policy.
I’m a gay man and I have been in a stable relationship for 20 years. I don’t seek manhood from other people, I know who I am and what I believe.
We don’t see thousands of suicides because people do not have access to “reparative therapy.” We see thousands of suicides because of reparative therapy and the deeply harmful beliefs that underpin it.
There’s nothing “stable” about mortal sin and its eternal consequences.
Why is the gay community so fearful of ‘reparation therapy’? If it isn’t effective for some why not leave it as an option for others who might want to try avail themselves of it. Why the censorship? From what I read, gender identity confusion starts early and if therapy is available when this conflict starts, it could prevent much confusion later on. And why the rush in state legislatueres to ban this for children. Is it because it might actually work?…My view from having known some people involved in this confusion is that suicide,diseases, depression, promiscuity and heartache are rampant and something needs to be done to help those struggling with same-sex attraction.
OK so the “why is the gay community fearful of reparation therapy” has become a meme, which I suppose I will have to answer from time to time.
We are not, as a community, FEARFUL of reparative therapy, we just know from experience that it does not work. And we know that when it is foisted upon people, mostly by parents, that it adds a special and unnecessary psychological burden that causes very much harm. We KNOW that it causes depression, suicides, etc. And at the same time, we know that families who accept their LGBT children, have far less of those things like depression and suicides. They have far greater success in schools. They excel compared to parents who are unapproving.
Wouldn’t you , after all, want to avoid harm to your children?
Your fellow person…..its a lie, it works. I doubt that you have sought out the therapy. It has to be choice, it has to be free will. If you choose, then you apply, then you embrace God and He will help anyone who genuinely seeks help.
JJ … I haven’t tried it. I am not going to try it out by paying Richard Cohen $200 to beat a pillow with a tennis racket and then …yuck! … ciuddle with him. It’s a scandal that Catholics even appear to endorse this type of quackery.
If someone is using their position as physician to get a cuddle from a patient that is wrong – not yucky. And what is truly scandalous are Catholics feigning revulsion for others attempting to help people overcome SSA. And, at the same time, putting forth the lie that charity resides in endorsing or engaging in homosexual sex of any kind. Somewhat like charitable adultery or charity theft or charity drunkenness. That’s no quackery – that’s aiding another in sin which is, in itself, sinful.
Ann – He isn’t a physician. He’s an unlicensed quack.
Check him out on the Rachael Maddow show here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ionmAFRtz9o
I don’t think you’d send your child to him.
The Dr. is a PhD not an MD.
Well look who just happens to be on the cover of this week’s Politico Magazine: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/life-as-ex-ex-gay-paulk-108090.html?ml=m_t1_2h#.U6Um32RdX-s
Thank you for the info, C&H. One should *definitely* check the credentials of any so called professional, especially those who are attempting to treat children. Even so, I would not advocate tossing the baby out with the bath water, in that just because this individual may be questionable does not mean that that minors who wish to rid themselves and/or lessen the incidence of temptation to unlawful sexual attraction should not be given the opportunity to get the help they deserve.
The homosexual community wants more homosexuals (so they will have more choices in sodomy partners.) It is that simple.
Since they are going to Hell (if they do not repent), they want others there as well.
There have always been homosexuals, but when they were in the closet, there were fewer suicides among them.
As usual the homosexuals want to make decisions for everyone else – rather than allowing FREEDOM of individuals to seek any help they desire.
Homosexuals are the MOST intolerant group there is.
Homosexuals have the highest percentage of sexually transmitted diseases in the USA.
And they want everyone else to finance their treatment for their bad acts.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Louis … Actually lesbians have one of the lowest rates of STD’s of any group in the population.
YFC writes: “…Wouldn’t you , after all, want to avoid harm to your children?”
Wouldn’t YOU, after all, want salvation for children, YFC? Giving folks a pass on that behavior which leads to damnation is harming them. Rearing children to believe that certain behaviors do not come with short and long term consequences is lying. Much like in the Garden of Eden, Satan lied by omission in giving Even the impression that ‘being like God’ is not being God. And that eating that which is forbidden leads to eternal death.
You come off as highly sympathetic, but completely miss the mark when it comes to the reality that constructing one’s own truth is not Truth. Even if, in this case, the apple is the poor, sweet babies that you are intimating must be lied to for their own good.
Not so.
There is that elephant again.
If you do not care for elephants, Anonymous, focus on cleaning up the peanuts littering the floor. If you did as much, the elephants would disappear and many more could bring forth their little ones without the justifiable apprehension of being trampled.
Anonymous are you the elephant?
No, abeca, the elephant in the room is that everything she said to YFC she is more guilty of by leading her children away from salvation and out of the Catholic Church and in addition, homeschooling them (usually a good thing to protect children from bad influences) so that they have no contact with the good and the right. Even when corrected, she insists that her parish is Catholic (constructing one’s own truth) and as you can see in her response to me, insists she must lie to her kids for their own good. And of course,, she lays the responsibility for changing her evil ways on me. Because she falsely believes that the Catholic Church is harmful to one’s soul. Pray for her kids.
The Catholic Church is not harmful to one’s soul, Anonymous, but those individuals who have power and either use it and/or do not use it to effect that which the Catholic Church teaches are indeed harmful to one’s soul and eternal salvation. To say otherwise is the lie, Anonymous.
That is why all Catholics, children included, should be apprised of the realities of what is going on in the Church in order that they may discern truth from falsehood. Outside the Church, but most especially inside. So saying, thank you for praying for my children, but pray mostly for the shepherds who have the power to gather or scatter.
Ann Malley, please, I beg of you, return to the Church. The bishops do not have the power to gather or scatter. Jesus Christ is the head of the Church. He gathers. The devil scatters. Please come back.
Anonymous YFC is more harmful and your focus on Ann Malley is just adding more to the confusion because at least she is still preaching truths which are precious to read, but YFC condones and pushes gay lifestyles. So you are so backwards that you would have us believe that Ann is harmful when in reality you are lacking to admonish the real culprit and that is YFC!
WHY DOn’t you stop wasting our time…ask YFC to return to the church…..if you really are about souls, then YFC really needs to return to the church with humility and honor God’s natural law! He is OK with misleading practicing homosexuals away from the church’s teachings. OK so stop with the hypocrisy! I don’t appreciate you trying to distract others away from the real issues by your attack on Ann Malley! She has already been spoken too in regards to that issue, I’d like to see you admonish YFC but I wouldn’t be surprised that you play games and you are probably some sort of person who stands by “gay” rights! You are nothing but in the spirit of confusion!
YFC, Ponder Galations 3:27-28. In the Body of Christ, there is not gay and straight. We are all under the same law.
abeca, YFC has not left the Church. He makes a common error. Instead of freaking out and falsely accusing him of things, why don’t you explain it to him in a Christian manner?. His error may be in thinking that non-Christians are exempt from obeying Christian morality. They are not. The moral law is written on the human heart. He hasn’t been Catholic that long. You don’t need to be aggressive and discourteous and demeaning. Things can be said respectfully without accusing people of things and hurting the Body of Christ and your own soul.
Abeca, as I have told you before, I AM in the Church. I sit next to you every Sunday, in the same pew as you.
Archbishop Cordileone said he’s been reaching out in hopes of “getting to know gay Catholics,” joining parishioners for meals at Most Holy Redeemer Church in the Castro.
“When we don’t interact with each other, we can make decisions or get images based on stereotypes – that happens on both sides,” the archbishop said.
When asked what he’s learned from those interactions, Cordileone said he’s come to understand how gay people have “suffered.”
“They’ve been disowned by their families,” he said. “They’ve been harmed and they want to come to a place that will accept them for who they are. And affirm them. So it tenderizes us.”
YFC, have you met the archbishop?
Charity begins at home, Anonymous. So Abeca makes an integral point in her call to admonish ‘a fellow Catholic’ who purports fidelity while speaking falsely. That said, firmness is often the most charitable means available. Goodness knows you have been firm with others.
With regards to those whom you perceive to be outside the Church (however erroneous you might be), you should practice ultimate patience as you will never convince one to join a confused household rife with infighting and heterodoxy and willful blindness. What then would one be joining? If you answer, the house of God, then act like the Church is the House of God that She is and keep Her clean. Fight for your Mother as if She really is your Mother! Spread the Faith by your acts of love in defense of Her, beginning at home, Anonymous.
Do not turn a blind eye, saying that Bishops and clergy and religious do not have the ability to scatter and defile for they are Legion. If not, all who hear the Good News would enter immediately. And you would not have so many in the pews beside you so egregiously misguided.
And the devil sits next to those deceivers in the Church. So anonymous you are fooling yourself by saying he didn’t leave the church! Some stay to destroy or change the church and have spiritually excommunicated themselves! STOP being a fool by stating that YFC has not left the church! Its annoying! He mocks the faith with his gay activism! Its utterly ridiculous that some would commit a grave sin by defending persons like YFC’s! It is a spiritual crime! Helping sinful behavior to continue to mislead others is a sin! Anonymous stays silent as well when there was a link that YFC was using my name to bash my name for standing up for my faith. This person or persons come on here to disrupt Catholics and want to rob the faithful of their convictions on what is holy to our Lord just to trap others into their acceptance of “gay” lifestyles! ITS EVIL! EVIL IS EVIL. WRONG IS WRONG! How many souls are ending up in HELL today because someone mislead another with deceptive views away from God and His church?
There are many Judas’s in the church and there are many who follow the spirit of deception through those who are in the spirit of Judas.
I have a hard time believing that Anonymous is really concerned about souls, or even about Ann Malley! Because Anonymous is just trying to distract by using Ann and addressing her so others will keep their focus away from the real culprits! Anonymous is trying to discredit the wise words of Ann in regards to this issue in line with the church! We have spoken to Ann Malley already, its between her and God now, but YFC has not given up his activism and his bullying of the faithful here, because he want’s to control the minds of Catholics by appearing to be Catholic, there is nothing to validate that he is who he or she is. We just know him by his “gay” activism and his distaste for the church’s stand on natural law issues!!!!!!!!
If an adult wishes to undergo this treatment, it should be that person’s choice. The California law does not prevent it. The law only prohibits gay conversion therapy for minors. Children are not fully developed psychologically and the medical studies show that it leads to depression, suocidal thoughts, and many other harms. If, at 18, a person or their family thinks this kind of therapy is fine, then they can pursue it. It merely preserves the right to choose for every individual once they reach the age of majority.
There’s really nothing objectionable about it unless you think parents should be able to force their children into medical treatments with well documented consequences.
Parents should be free to prevent the damnation of their child’s soul from immoral behavior. As for the law: as St. Thomas More put it “Parliament hath not the competence.” Unjust laws do not bind in conscience.
PAHO Director Dr. Mirta Roses Periago not only blasts “ex-gay” therapy, she also calls for those who practice it to be punished by their governments:
Since homosexuality is not a disorder or a disease, it does not require a cure. There is no medical indication for changing sexual orientation. Practices known as “reparative therapy” or “conversion therapy” represent “a serious threat to the health and well-being—even the lives—of affected people. . . These practices are unjustifiable and should be denounced and subject to sanctions and penalties under national legislation. These supposed conversion therapies constitute a violation of the ethical principles of health care and violate human rights that are protected by international and regional agreements.
The PAHO statement also notes that the scientific consensus is that homosexuality is a naturally occurring variation in human sexuality, not a pathological condition. It also makes a set of specific recommendations for “governments, academic institutions, professional associations, the media, and civil society” to address the problem of “ex-gay” programs, especially those that exploit vulnerable youth:
IF we love God, we will not preach that it is OK nor will we use such title name for ourselves! As humans we are to submit to God’s holy will not the will of sinful men against the natural law1 Our duty is to honor God! NOT MAN! a chaste lifestyle is OK!
WHO DO YOU LOVE MORE? CHOOSE JESUS and carry your cross!
Ever heard of botched comments? They are botched because they are edited to fit in with what is politically correct!
Its not different than abortion, sodomy etc….its a small indication of some kind of condoning of sin or that those sins have been desensitized so comments are botched, edited to not offend. Like abortion is not referred as murder of the unborn, so the words are edited by people using terms that are less offensive. Like they use words like “women’s health care, reproductive health care, its only a blob” etc. But when you look at the truth, a baby is still butchered to death, botched etc. Limb after limb torn into pieces. Just like “gay” lifestyles, they try to desensitized the sin by using God’s word to fit their agenda. Its all deceptive just like botched comments. Just saying……..Speaking my mind!
Abeca I agree with you.
One thing I’ve learned from all these homosexual diatribes on this website is they have to be the most obsessed, self-absorbed, ill-informed, prejudiced, bigoted, hateful people on the planet. They never show sympathy or remorse. They constantly accuse everyone else of being hateful, but never show love for anyone here but themselves. And they totally lack a sense of humor and the ability to laugh at themselves. If this is what they’re forcing on the world, we must truly speak out to save our Church, children and culture. It’s not just about adultery, sexual perversion and immorality…it’s about giving power to the biggest, dead boors in the world! Like people who only want you to see their stamp collections or slide shows of motels they’ve stayed in every time you meet!
PS. If all I talk about is my heterosexuality and how everyone is persecuting me, you have my permission to tell me to put a sock in it!
PPS…this endless bickering is wasted time! All of us could be spending our time far more constructively talking about things that might be helpful to Mother Church rather than constantly whining and harranguing. If people (and I include myself, naturally) devoted more time to God and less time fixated on their sexuality they would be happier, and definitely a lot more interesting. Thomas More had to be one of the funniest, most intelligent people ever, and he never took his eyes off the Lord. What a role model. What a man! And that’s all I’m going to say on the subject. I truly do care about everyone here…I want to see all of us grow in love and understanding and especially for our Lord and His Church. How can we do that until we all let go of our petty grievances? How can we fully love God until we stop loving ourselves and our own obsessions? What’s missing especially is gratitude! All of us should be so thankful for the many blessings we have. Did anyone bother to pray for Iraq? Miriam in Sudan? The children in Syria? Let’s get over ourselves, shall we?
This last post is very good.
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Dana I agree with your June 21, 2014 at 6:41 am comments too. You are describing those that are anti-Christian Bigots. They are the true definition of bigotry. All our actions should be ones that honor God not ones that honor this world and its worldly minions! So when one of them call any of the faithful a bigot, they are aiming those comments toward our Lord, they are hurting Him violently because the faithful do not follow the ways of this world but they try to please God and His ways, so when they aim those words at the faithful, they are bashing whom we honor and learned from. But when the word bigot is directed towards where it is most deserving, the ones who defy God, then it’s just and righteous in God’s eye’s!
I encourage all to honor God and His ways! Read the Holy Scripture and the CCC, learn from the saints, avoid tunnel vision and do not discredit what the doctors of the church have warned us about sodomy and all connected to those lifestyles, for the CCC and holy scripture today is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The Lord never changes! Nor should His church!!!!!!!!!! Not on moral issues!!!!
You don’t site the “well documented consequences!” Please cite so we can all read. Thanks.
I don’t have time to summarize the findings. However, if you wish to educate yourself, I will provide the link for the full text of the California bill which summarizes the findings and states every organization that opposes reparative therapy for minors. You can the. Check out each organizations rationale on their websites, if your interested.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml;jsessionid=ca76fabcdb54315710fcc83aa675
What would be your position if the child wanted the therapy, Anonymous?
The presumption seems to be that it is parents forcing therapy (I will not say ‘conversion’) on their kids. I find that inconsistent as there’s no similar bias in assuming it is the parents who are forcing their child into early onset cross dressing or gender bending. Shouldn’t those parents also be prohibited from allowing anything untoward until a child reaches legal age?
no wait-and-see mentality coming from those who believe that little children should be encouraged or allowed to express an opposite gender
Children don’t “want” reparative therapy. They don’t ask for it. They get forced into it by their parents who hate the idea that their kid might be gay. This is why legislation exists to protect these kids, so that they don’t get forced into unethical therapies by their parents. And, by the way, this legislation is aimed at curtailing unethical behavior by therapists, not parents.
The legislation doesn’t restrict parents who “want” to subject their kids to damaging therapies, as that is their parental right, unfortunately. It merely says that if you want the state to call you a “therapist”, then the state will hold you to the ethics of your own industry which says that these methods do not work and hold out false promise to patients and their parents. If your pastor wants to tell your kids that they are the worst scum on earth, unfortunately this legislation does nothing to forbid him from saying that. Just don’t ask the state to rubber stamp that unethical behavior.
If you have any evidence otherwise, that kids “want” some form of therapy to “cure” themselves of homosexuality, I’m happy to entertain it. Where is that evidence?
Please see the testimony of Mr. Kendall at the Prop 8 trial, under oath, for an example of how this parent/child dynamic works in the real world.
This is hilarious! YFC speaks like an authority over children! Please give me a break! Enough lies YFC! You are not a parent of all nor are you an expert on such subject! Even if you pretend to know, you defy God and His natural law, we can only expect your personal opinion because that is what it is!
Not facts nor the truth, nor is it joined with God and His salvation plan!! Plus where does this fellow get off speaking for those parents who are going through those tough moments of rebellious teen years. Where does he get off! Its not like he will have compassion for such parents because all he wants to do is carry on his cause, which is “gay” activism! Don’t’ trust the words of this activist! He rejects any logic on the subject!
YFC, you don’t know what children want. You only know what those ‘children’ held up as examples for those with a particular agenda want. Your supposed expertise on children and parenting boggles the mind. Then again, it doesn’t as your posts on these matters bespeaks of one with a lock-step ideology of wanting to be cast as ‘the hated one’.
Look to God’s laws and nature. There is a beautiful order and hierarchy. That said, I do not need to look to Mr. Kendall or any of your so-called evidence because I have actual experience and live in the real world every day. Obfuscating reality with man-centered ‘brave-new-world’ mentalities will change nothing of God’s law in the end despite all of the fuss and indignation and should-be kind of logic.
Opposing reparative therapy for minors is wrong! Gender identity disorders start young and it is the perfect time to prevent years of confusion, depression, suicide, promiscuity and an early death. I would like to read the rationale for those who are in favor of it but common sense tells me you start early before it’s too late. Why does the gay community oppose this so fiercely? Something tells me it is precisely because it could turn these youths around!
Thank you Ronnie for your wisdom and good thoughts to this. I agree!
Pushing the immoral gay sexual lifestyle on minors – causes suicide.
Not allowing them to get help – causes suicide.
According to the legislators, only sodomy is good.
The data proves you diametrically wrong.
It all depends on WHOM is doing the therapy.
Just like anything else, there are good and bad doctors.
So, MIKE, which DOCTORS would you send us to? Where is the data that they are effective. Please provide peer reviewed data showing that their therapeutic methods are effective! Good and bad doctors indeed…
Reply to YFC. This video demonstrates change is possible for those who want it.
https://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/14255
Your fellow person you get to choose if you want, no one can make you do anything you do don’t want to do, neither should any law or state tell a parent what they shouldn’t do to help their child!
Here are 10 great reasons for reparative therapy:
http://www.tinyurl.com/SodomiteMyths
Oh, the hate group FRC. That FRC.
Ah, yes, there’s the “hate” accusation again, the steady shibboleth of the sodomite left. Indeed, the FRC is a “hate group” only in the eyes of the anti-Christ, anti-Catholic, homosexualist, abortionist “Southern Poverty Law Center”, a 501(c) tool of Satan
Groups are labeled hate groups by the SPLC — which made a name for itself by using civil lawsuits to severely weaken the KKK and other white supremacist groups — when they “have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics,” according to the group’s website. For the Family Research Council, which hosts the annual Values Voter Summit in Washington — an event which drew presidential hopefuls like Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee — the designation comes thanks to the group’s standing at the forefront of opposition to gay marriage and open gay and lesbian service in the military.
The SPLC is a notorious anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, pro-abortion, pro-sodomite organization run by Morris Dees. Google that name and “pervert”.
A little confused? It was the FRC who was the target of a hate crime by a gay man who was brainwashed by another hate group the Southern Poverty Law Center!
Ronnie – Yes you are right that FRC was the victim of a hate crime, and that crime was condemned by every group from the left.
And to Juergensen – The SPLC has very specific criteria for how they determine which groups are hate groups and which are not. Most right wing groups are not a part of their definition. They mostly look for groups that intentionally spread lies about other groups, but you can consult their website for details. SPLC, also, does not restrict their definition of hate groups to those who have a position from the right. Have a certain political ideology is NOT a part of their definition. So, let’s say there were an organization that spread lies about pro-life groups, they would qualify as a hate group as well.
Hey YFC the SPLC considers traditional Catholics to be a hate group…and the attack on the FRC was not condemned by any of you on the Left..
No Catholic is to tolerate MORTAL SIN of any kind.
This includes the mortal sins of homosexual acts (sex).
Everyone should HATE MORTAL SIN.
It kills the Souls of the unrepentant.
peter sound like he is the one who hates.
Oh no there goes that “hate” group, the “GAY” activist. They are the real hate group!
The Top Ten Myths of Homosexuality is a fraud. And the mythology that Sprigg spoke of has nothing to do with lgbts but with the mindset of anyone who takes his paper seriously and sees it for more than what it is – blatant homophobia wrapped up in phony science.
When someone discourages help to homosexuals, they use the word homophobia…that is a dead give away that there is some sort deception. Stay away from people who freely use phrases like homophobia, bigot etc Its called bullying and they do not want people to think outside of their world!
Show me one peer reviewed article showing this, Duncan.
Your Fellow person Duncan has nothing to prove to you. Its a personal choice, if you want something to work, then you will seek but no one has to waste their time proving something to someone like you who is not seeking help. Its disgusting that you want to discourage others just because you do not believe nor seek. Leave people to choose for oneself, not for you to decide for them.
The harm of the state dictating to parents how parents can parent their children is at the heart of the law which prohibits reparative therapy for minors. It has been demonstrated in many more ways than just a few that the teen brain is not yet fully developed which can lead to impulse problems, etc. Parents ought to be supported in the choice to parent their children, and be free to seek therapy for confused and sexually disoriented children. It is not up to the state to usurp that responsibility. Sexual dysfunction is a family problem, a sign that something may be missing in the relationship between parents, and the symptoms may manifest in one child within the family. Behavior, disordered behavior, is at the root of the situation, and acting out, even in a sexual way, can be corrected when the family dynamic is corrected. The state has no business interrupting such therapy or criminalizing parents who are trying to correct what is dysfunctional in their family. In the end the whole of society will benefit
Translation: Parents should be free to abuse their children.
That’s what NAMBLA stands for, right?
No one that has ever posted or commented on this blog, in the two years I have been following it, has supported NAMBLA, so far as I know. Can you point to a single one? I certainly do not and have said so very many times.
So let’s get back to peter’s question, and leave aside completely unrelated issues, which basically is whether or not reparative therapy is child abuse.
peter was right when he equated reparative therapy for minors with child abuse. I submit that it is not a perfect equation. Not all therapies for minors aimed at working with their sexual orientation issues is abuse — at least I would not claim that. But it often is. And I think we need to allow some leg room for what actually constitutes reparative therapy and what that therapy actually does before I would go so far as to call it child abuse. If we are willing some dialogue and communication and actual fact finding, we might actually get somewhere.
So peter’s point, if taken directly, stands and falls by the evidence surrounding it.
But to equate peter’s position, which seems to be that reparative therapy for kids is child abuse, with a group (NAMBLA) that advocates sexually violating children is— on its face —- bizarre.
YFC what you stand for is already offending God!
Abeca, what is it that I stand for? You can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. You can’t seem to understand that being gay isn’t a choice or a sin, even according to Catholic social teaching. Yet you lose no opportunity to degrade and demean me. Please come down off of your high horse of judgement, take the log out of your eyes, and treat other people with the respect that the Catechism asks you to.
YFC you want me to explain to you what you stand for? Lets see does “gay activism, gay rights, undermining church teachings etc” say anything to you? Look YFC I can sympathize with homosexuals, Like I always have and still continue. I have more love and compassion for homosexuals, that I desire for them to follow Christ and His plan. Sex is a choice, perhaps the complexity of homosexual disorder is something we humans don’t understand but the church does give a guidance on how one should live their lives, even with having that disorder. Like all sin, the church gives us guidance how to live our life’s according to what is pleasing to God. The rest, God will take care of. The sin in us may sometimes be overwhelming, may overcome us, etc but we must not give up our power to those sins, we must lean on Christ and His salvation plan to help us. This life is temporary. Jesus wants to have a relationship with us, even with our imperfections, but we must choose His will and how do we do that? We must apply our free will to choose Him. Sex is a choice! The disorder may not be but the actions we do are a choice.
Some temptations make us slaves to them, so what do we do, we have to carry our cross and continue to walk with Christ, even if there is a struggle! Its not easy to die of one self. Not easy but we must be humble enough to desire the will of God, even if we have a struggle at it, God see’s our hearts and out intentions. Don’t you trust God enough to know this! One must not break away from a loving relationship with our Lord because of sin, we must persevere with fortitude. If you put in just one once of effort in a personal relationship with our Lord, you would be ashamed to promote “gay” agenda’s on this Catholic website.
Translation for Pete’s constant refrain: love your sensual pleasures more than God, don’t fear Hell as it’s just a figment of your imagination…Jesus was wrong or didn’t really mean what He said about it, parents don’t know best, satan does…raise your children by the standards of the world, and last but not least, love yourself first! That probably should have come before all the others
because according to Pete, it’s all about I, me and mine.
Well said Dana,,, that is the mantra of the Left….
Now you’re putting words in my mouth Dana. My what drama. My point is “love your children unconditionally”. Giving them the life long gift of a positive self-image will do more good than any amount of bogus “reparative therapy” could ever hope to achieve. Nothing as evil and destructive as “reparative therapy” should ever be considered good, for that truly is the “it’s all about I, me, and mine” you wrote of: I will never have a gay child! No child of mine will ever be a homosexual for that would be an embarrassment to me. Therapy for the treatment of children abused sexually should not be confused with this blatant affront to natural human sexuality.
A positive self image, in truth and charity, would be teaching our children that they are far more than their sexual appetites and/or whatever disordered inclinations or the simple vision of what their parents want them to be. How much more positive can one get than being taught that they are made in the image and likeness of God and by virtue of that reality should be disinclined for whatever temptation to deny what they ARE.
The blatant affront to natural human sexuality is ascribing nature to be its own author. Nature is the construct of the Creator, Peter, a fact that seems always left out of the discussion when folks with an agenda seek to bash parents who seek to do that which they are called to do by God.
Ann, if we, as you say, are made in the image and likeness of God , then by virtue of that reality, it is inhuman to ascribe to human nature anything contrary to it. A person’s sexuality is an integral – inborn – part of being human; as such, homosexuality is not “ungodly” as many would have us believe. Recognizing that fact is not claiming self-authorship to human sexuality, but properly acknowledging He who is the author of that construct. Anything contrary to that is of man and not of of the Divine. A positive self image, in truth and charity, would be teaching our children that they are as they were intended to be. Anything less is borne of selfish and false intentions.
peter, your perspective that homosexual acts are not “ungoldly” flies in the face of that which has been revealed by God and that which is observable in nature itself. You seem to not want to accept the reality of fallen human nature, that is yes, we are made in the image and likeness of God, but by virtue of our fallen natures, choose to act in ways that are not good and wholesome or holy. Free will.
So saying, homosexual sex is not even healthy for the body. Quite the contrary. It also produces nothing of the fruit that is the purpose of *reproductive* organs, pleasure and bonding being secondary, much like good taste being secondary to nutrition in food.
A positive self image is nothing positive if it negates the very health of the body to indulge in that which is harmful to it. And damaging to society in that it produces zero fruit. In other words, the ‘image’ cannot negate the reality and be considered good. We can imagine all we’d like, but that will not make that which is disordered to the nature of mankind somehow good. That is nothing short of delusion which, when spread, is absolutely borne of selfish and false interests.
Namely, wanting to be God instead of being like Him.
I guess I just have a little more faith in the quality of human nature. Que sera sera.
that which makes humans in the ‘image and likeness of God’ is our immortal soul and the fact that we have an intellect and a ‘will’, peter.
put your faith in Our Lord God and you’ll find strength. choosing to give fallen human nature a pass when it comes to self destructive behavior is not faith and neither is the fatalist conclusion of what will be, will be. or do you advocate the quality of alcohol/drug addiction, violence, anxiety and depression and a whole host of other less-than-desirable ‘qualities’?
if Our Lord had dismissed us in such fashion, there would be no salvation, but damnation by our own choosing. for like our Creator, we have free will. use it wisely for the consequences of our choosing has eternal consequences.
Yet God chose to roam among us in the “image and likeness of a . . . human.” Go figure . . .
no, He was truly Man.
a human in complete mastery of his vessel, peter, despite myriad temptations of Satan.
The state dictates proper parental care all the time. Parents may not beat their children, they may not starve their children, this is all law. I can’t speak for you, but I hope you support such laws. I unequivocally support such laws. So to say their is no role for the state to dictate proper parental conduct is incorrect.
I understand that this touches on matters of spiritual belief, but the negative effects of reparative therapy are well documented and widely accepted by *every* reputable medical association.
If there was debate within the medical profession on this issue, that would be a different scenario but there is none.
Also, the law does not criminalize parental conduct. It merely makes it an ethical violation for a medical professional to administer reparative therapy. I would suggest reading the law.
News flash … Satanists concede that sodomy is a Satanic sacrament.
https://tinyurl.com/SodomyIsSatanic
Being “gay” today means being part of the gay culture—-in this group a person is expected to act the role, look the role, and get excited about Obama, Hillary and the DEMs in general.
Being gay also means being sexually permissive and more often, promiscuous. I had gay friends who “married” and soon divorced because they simply had to have more sexual partners. Only the really old guys stayed together in longer relationships. Several old priests with their buddies were always in the mix as “lifetime partners.”
Not at all.
Yes of course it Peter…..
How many stereotypes can you cram into one post Dominic? How about treating the gay person for the individual that we are, with the dignity we deserve as human beings and as children of God, instead of pretending one ugly brush covers us all?
Dominic expressed what I also observed when I use to reach out to homosexuals. He is stating facts. Those lifestyles are not something to take lightly especially since it can cause one’s own salvation!
Anything that hurts our relationship with our Lord, we should never ever take lightly but we must remember that we are not hating the person, but what we feel isaddened about is when any grievous sin separates us from a loving honest genuine relationship with our Lord! That is what most are missing, they miss that logic! Its not about them, it’s always about our relationship with our Lord! People lie often to themselves just to approve in them, their choices away from God. That is where we can go wrong! Jesus loves us and that is why He came to save us and bring us His truths, to help us live a happy life here on earth as we wait till He calls us home to live in perfect Joy with Him! This life is temporary! Why not live it by growing a loving relationship with our Lord, IN HIM not away from HIM!
Homosexuals suffering with this very complex sexual attraction are called to live a chaste lifestyle and to not mislead others into sin by pushing “gay” agendas!
Why do homosexuals fear reparative therapy? Answer: because it offends homosexuals sense of normalcy. That is, homosexual sexualism must never be argued to be — and never, ever, shown to be — something that one so afflicted should seek to avoid. Minors are a particular homosexual delight, for several reasons. Why have the society swarm around minors trying to impose “reparative” therapy, when this might work and cut off new recruits (or at least enablers). A somewhat raw explanation, perhaps, but largely accurate. One does not see a tsunami of opposition to reparative therapy from conservative sources, only from the liberal and from homosexual groups, directly. Doesn’t this imbalance of opposition strike anyone as strange? And, of course, if “reparative therapy” is seen as a useful tool for confused minors, why this suggests that homosexual sexualists can never be trusted to be, oh, Scout Masters . . . teachers and religious figures that deal with young children. . . all of that. Nope, a group that literally worships vile people like Harvey Milk (whose tendency to pray on the very young and lost in society is well known), really has no standing to object to “reparative therapy” or any other technique that might free the young from a homosexual lifestyle.
. . . it’s offensive because it’s junk science and does more harm that what it purports to do. That should offend anyone. The rest of your post, St. Chris, is nonsense.
It’s not that gays fear reparative therapy, it is that it hasn’t been shown to work. Not one peer reviewed paper has shown any therapeutic method to convert a gay person into a straight person. Even reparative therapy promoter Exodus International has folded, freely admitting that it doesn’t work.
Not only does these therapies not work, many have been shown to cause great physical and psychological harm. There have been hundreds of documented cases of reparative therapies that tried electroshock therapies, hug therapies, primal scream therapies, exorcismatic therapies, chemical castration therapies – all of which leave the human guinea pig just as gay as before, and as you can imagine, damaged as a result. One famous example is that of Alan Turing, the man who unlocked the Enigma Code allowing us to defeat the (real) Nazis, and who invented the little machine you are typing on right now. Read up on what happened as a result of his reparative therapy.
Therapy by a professional should not be banned by a legislature which can not possibly take each individual case into consideration.
For those under age, the Parents along with their Doctor and the patient himself should make the decision.
The government is not a mother or father. The government is not God.
The government loves no one. Human beings do not need “big brother”.
CCC: ” 1894 In accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, neither the state nor any larger society should substitute itself for the initiative and responsibility of individuals and intermediary bodies.”
The sodomy community just wants more sodomites to choose from – and many of them do not care about the young age.
The “peer-review” mantra is also nonsense: the forced assent by agenda groups imposed upon research is eminently capable of churning out junk “accepted science”. The same peer review experts were advising bishops in the 1960’s-70’s-and 80’s that hardened clergy-molesters could be returned to pastoral duties after “suitable” treatment.
Actually, “peter” and “Your Fellow Catholic,” there are cases of reparative therapy “working.” However, the lie to your arguments is that the homofascists demand that anything, anything at all, that seeks to discredit, in any way, their perversion, must be stopped at the very beginning. And that is the true absurdity of it, the fear of its success, even a modest level of success. Lurking in the shadows, of course, is the child, a source of homosexual abuse that remains unconfessed by the homosexual sexualists. Better to be like Harvey Milk, scum that trolls the byways of society for the lost and confused, and then pounce, defiling them while pretending to support their anguish. Tragically, there are also so many homosexual clergy in the Church that have wrecked untold damage to it, with likely more to come. Society should do whatever it can to avoid the overt evil of the homosexual lifestyle. Trying to protect its young is a pretty good thing to do, even if it does not always work. Certainly such concern trumps homosexual groups that swarm over Catholic school, like Mr. Cassin, seeking to indoctrinate the impressionable, even to create allies (if not some time participants). Why do you think that it is, after all, that homosexuals are so interested in “dialoguing” and “reaching out” to the young?
Fine, I guess I am forced to agree with Steve Phoenix in who rejecting the principle of peer review in favor of random people offering random ideas about how stars are formed, how the body fights off disease via the immune system, and how the atoms on the surface of cells interact in order to form the fetus we all protect.
Oops. We got to those ideas via the peer review process. Who was I kidding?
Seriously folks: The greatest threat to religion is not some imagined threat to religious liberty. It is the rejection of science by religionists. It does not have to be this way. It IS a challenge to understand the world around us that both includes findings of science as well as our belief system (in our case Christian). How we react to this will determine the ultimate outcome of our efforts of evangelization. Ignore it, as Steve Phoenix does, or reconcile it, as VII attempts to do. Up to you. Do you want your faith to continue or do you want it to fade away?
“reconcile it, as VII attempts to do” VII result are in and clear=complete and total failure…..Undo Vatican 2
Frankly YFC the words of one man from Texas says it all:
As Dr. Christopher Doyle states in his recent piece on this issue:
“The truth is, some individuals can change who they love, and who they are attracted to — my experience of change from homosexual to heterosexual proves this — and today, I am married to a beautiful woman and we have three children.”
Paging DR. Doyle. Paging Dr. Doyle!!!
Where is he? Who is he? Where are his peer reviewed articles claiming what you think he claims?
YFC the question is “What did Jesus say about the matter?” “what is the first law that God gave to mankind from the beginning of time?” He gave mankind His natural law1 That law came before people knew that He existed, during the times, where there were idols of all kinds. Jesus did not come yet. God’s people were made aware of His Natural law.
Blessings and good luck, Jeremy. Keep working toward full self-mastery.
There are no ex-homosexuals. There are people like this man who are not comfortable with living as a gay man and so they choose to act otherwise.
This does not, however, stop them from being a homosexual. The world have a lot of self-loathing gay men who cannot, for whatever reasons, deal with being what and who they are. But they always will be homosexual, just as a heterosexual will always be so no matter how (s)he lives.
No, Jim. There may always be people with same-sex attraction but and despite that one can stop being a homosexual. It’s by your behavior that one is defined and not by your inclinations that you can control.
May God bless Jeremey, and save his Soul for eternity.
All temptations are difficult to overcome.
This article was refreshing.
I don’t understand why any homosexual person would not want help in overcoming serious issues.
I also don’t understand why any homosexual person would want to drag others down to HELL.
All sex outside of marriage – between one man and one woman – is a MORTAL SIN.
Those who die without repentance will spend their eternity in HELL.
Love does not tolerate Mortal Sin.
I was always taught that one EARNED respect….no one gets respect because all people ‘deserve’ it. If one acts in accordance with good manners, morals, a work ethic and a loving heart (by loving I do not mean ‘being nice’ …everyone one that wants to get ahead or use someone else can be super, emphatically NICE and charming. Ted Bundy was a peach…did you respect him?) then he or she tends to be respected. If you serve yourself no matter what your behavior costs society or children, do you think you deserve respect? I adored my dad but also respected him more than any other man because he sacrificed for us by driving 50 miles one way through stop and go traffic for years so his children could grow up in a beautiful small town….I respected him because he lived a completely moral life, and his neighbors and friends felt the same. Most of all I respected him because he had the courage to be a strong, faithful man against some heavy odds, believe me. I grew up knowing what it meant for a man to be as God intended him to be and I miss my dad so much, but I’m glad he didn’t have to live to see what’s become of his beloved country. Happy Father’s Day, all you dads! I know it’s hard these days.
What can I say, except that you apparently were taught incorrectly. All human persons deserver respect. Period.
Well, YFC, I certainly respect your right to feel that way, but I think you’re confusing respect with love. Jesus told us to love one another, and to me, loving others means not wanting them to come to harm, or go to hell or live their lives without the joy and love that only God can give…but at the same time I find there are many people who, while caring for their welfare, I neither like or respect as that means approving of them and admiring them which I would be lying through my teeth if I said I did. “Respect: to consider worthy of esteem or honor”. Are you telling me you esteem everyone? That you like everyone? I’m really curious, YFC. Do you respect a man that rapes a child? Do you admire a man like Hitler or Stalin? Are they worthy of respect?
Dana, I’m just calling you to what the Church herself asks of you.
See the Catchism: “2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”
This particular passage, “…These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition,” is critical, YFC. For when one is not uniting a sacrifice – that is enduring temptation without giving in – but rather indulging in, promoting, and embracing that which is DISORDERED and detrimental to the body and soul, that is disrespecting one’s inherent dignity. That needs to be understood. So giving one a pass on the aberrant behavior is no charity and no respect, but rather the opposite.
It is only “they” who must be respected as humans, not their vile filthy MORTAL SIN.
Man has free will! So if “they” want respect, then respect only comes to those who choose the will of Our Lord. Respect those who do not know what they are doing, respect the soul, not their choices that they are blinded by their sinful choices and understand what that truly means, it does not ever mean to condone and it surely does not mean to undermine God and His natural law.
Respect the Natural law from God! That is where real respect comes from. Respecting is caring for the human soul and their salvation! To be merciful to those who are blinded by their sinful choices but not to condone nor mislead others into those sins!
Certainly I offer up the difficulties I endure because of my condition when I am around people like you.
Intentional blindness is no difficulty, YFC, but a choice.
UNITED STATES
Irish Central
Niall O’Dowd @niallodowd June 14,2014
There are up to 2,000 Americans who were secretly adopted from Mother and Baby homes in Ireland according to the leading adoption rights campaigner Mari Steed. Many of whom have never known who their now elderly or deceased Irish birth parents are says Steed. Thousands of those secret and illegally adopted children ended up in America after essentially being sold to wealthy families. Mari Steed of the Adoption Rights Alliance was one of them, born at the notorious Bessborough Home in Cork in 1960 and sent to America as a toddler where she now lives near Philadelphia. She says the latest news of the Irish government inquiry must be the moment that Ireland finally is forced to open its adoption and medical records.The government can no longer afford to look away,” Steed says, believing that Tuam has opened a floodgate that cannot be shut.
Appropos of nothing, ms…what’s your point? We’re talking about a brave young man struggling to be what God intended him to be. Besides being completely misinformed you might want to look into the millions of slaves that are kept and traded by muslims. Slavery is not only legal under sharia law, it’s a way of life. There are over a million filipinos who were tricked into coming to Saudi Arabia as servants and have found they are virtual slaves who cannot practice their Catholic faith under the threat of imprisonment and death. Millions of young girls are kidnapped around the world…the few you hear about like those poor Nigerian girls, are just a tiny tip of the iceberg. Where’ your phony outrage? Muslims have been slave traders since their inception. They also have no qualms about having sex with nine year old girls. Anyway, let’s just stick to the subject at hand, shall we?
Those embedded in a lifestyle of MORTAL SIN, do not want to hear about:
Heaven, Hell or Eternity.
They are only interested in the here and now.
” Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.” – JESUS Mt 7:13-14
One of the central claims made in defense of religion-based bigotry is that sexuality is a choice – a choice that can be changed with prayer and professional guidance. This mistaken belief has lead to the creation of this disturbing practice. Conversion or reparative therapy promotes the myth that a same-sex attraction can be lessened or cured. Every reputable health organization in the country condemns conversion or reparative therapy, including the American Psychological and Psychiatric Associations, the American Medical Association, and the National Organization of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Psychoanalytic Association.
What one does with one’s sexuality is a choice.
Careful with your stats…..up until 1973 homosexuality was defind by the APA as a mental illness. And in 1953 a sociopathic personality disturbance up until 1968 when sociopathic was dropped but still referred to as a sexual deviation–but not normal sexuality. Things changed after 1973 due to militant gay activists within the APA–not because of any scientific basis to justify the change in classification that homosexuality was disordered. It became a “political decision” not a “medical decision” for the re-classification. (Read Making Gay Okay, by Robert R. Reilly to learn more). As Aristotle said, “Men start revolutionary changes for reasons connected with their private lives.” (contraception, abortion, divorce……sin)
“One of the central claims made in defense of religion-based bigotry…” A fine example of thoughtful, objective, fair-minded writing. Lovely.
S. Phoenix, check out what’s been going on in Ireland the last few weeks. Here’s an example of more thoughtful, objective, fair minded writing, and not lovely.
Ireland, Following Martin McAleese’s Magdalene report last year, the lines began to blur. We saw that 25% of women sent to the laundries had been referred by an arm of the State, 8.8% by priests, and a notable 10.5% by families. We saw how Church, State, and families were complicit in subjugating, degrading, and dehumanising young girls who had fallen foul of Catholic and therefore societal, norms. The uproar about conditions in mother-and- baby homes over the past number of weeks has underscored this theme — with the finger increasingly pointed at the families and communities that wanted these pregnant unwed women and their babies out of view; who shoved crying girls through the front door of these homes in the dead of night, expected them to feed, care for, and love a child for a year and then to hand their child to a stranger without question. There is much more to this tragic story. A large portion of these women where rape victims.
“…We saw how Church, State, and families were complicit in subjugating, degrading, and dehumanising young girls who had fallen foul of Catholic and therefore societal, norms.”
And now we have so-called modern, advanced society being complicit in the over sexualization and conscience numbing of young girls. The message is go ahead and subject yourself to being treated like a devalued piece of meat, degrade your God-given nature. So long as *you* choose to degrade *yourself* and act like a beast incapable of thought or will, it’s called empowerment. Accept that which is unholy and disordered into your body and if you should reap something you don’t want – kill it.
The majority of those at Planned Parenthood today weren’t raped, Gay is Anything But Okay, with the exception of their poor minds which received the seed of the go forth and do whatever thou wilt.
Babies of unmarried parents were treated as “an inferior sub-species” for decades in the Republic of Ireland, Enda Kenny has said. The Irish prime minister (Taoiseach) was speaking after the announcement of a statutory Commission of Investigation into mother and baby homes. Among the cases it will investigate are the deaths of almost 800 children at a convent-run home in County Galway. The remains of some children were found in a concrete tank near the home.The grave in Tuam was initially thought to date to the 1850s when it was discovered 40 years ago. Historical records show that 796 children, one as old as nine, died at the home between 1925 and 1961. The home was run by the Bon Secours nuns between 1925 and 1961.
Yes, that is an eye catching headline. But our human mismanagement does not mean that we should now embrace aberrant behavior as good and wholesome.
It’s sad isn’t Ann. how the left completely absorbs and promulgates whatever lies hollywood cranks out.? PBS gives those falsehoods legitimacy and repeats the same stories over and over until they become the urban legends of our own day…like the ‘millions’ killed and tortured during the Spanish Inquisition (nary a peep about Henry VIII and the over 90,000 Catholics tortured and murdered, spied on, property stolen, etc.) and the whole Galileo extravaganza the big expose they’re foisting on us now is the Catholic laundries of Ireland.. They will keep playing over the tv and radio waves until even the most hateful Catholic bashers will be sick of it.. They become instant car seat potato experts as they swallow the swill on public radio in their little bmw’s and audis on their way to and from work. https://www.catholicleague.org/myths-of-the-magdalene-laundries/
It’s baby-out-with-the-bathwater mentality, Dana, for those who hate babies and water.
So how do you get around the GRAVES found in the last few weeks, LONG after the report described in the link you shared. Maybe you aren’t aware of those aweful open graves. If you haven’t seen them, I can dig up those links so you can see for yourselves the horror of those graves, proving that the report you cite is bogus.
They were raped by family members and close friends.
Just like all those seeking abortions at Planned Parenthood were supposedly raped. But gee, even the ones that are raped are being advised to not turn in their rapist, but rather just get the abortion. Perhaps so there will be another need for an abortion perhaps?
That kind of stuff happened in the secular USA. They used to be homes for unwed mothers in the 1930s -1950s.
It had nothing to do with any Religion at all.
It still has nothing to do with any Religion.
You will find no such thing in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
If you don’t find something in the CCC, it is NOT Catholic Church teaching,
and has nothing to do with the Catholic Faith.
What individuals do against the Faith is their own sin
“Thou Shall NOT Kill” is a teaching of the Faith – which you probably know.
Killing is a Mortal Sin.
btw, regarding your posting name – it is ok to have “Temptations” of same sex attraction.
It is Not OK to act on those temptations.
Sodomy is a Mortal Sin.
There are still homes for unwed mothers in the US.
The peer – review’ claim is Nonsense. The APA (Amer. Psych. Assoc.) long ago was taken over by agenda aparatchicks. in meteorology, Michael Mann of Penn State for years floated his faked ‘hockey-stick theory’ of man-made climate change, all approved by peer review. East Anglia University falsified data also for years, all approved by peer review. And then there’s Alfred Kinsey, who was the darling of his era of his peers and the Psychological Association. By the way he died in a mysterious gardening accident. Very strange.
The Catholic Historical Review is the official organ of The American Catholic Historical Association. The peer-reviewed journal was founded at The Catholic University of America (CUA) and has been published there since 1915. It is the only scholarly journal under Catholic auspices in the English-speaking world devoted to the history of the universal Church. It publishes articles, review articles, book reviews, and lists of books received in all areas of church history. Membership in the ACHA includes a mailed or electronic copy of the quarterly.
The Journal of Catholic Higher Education (JCHE) is the peer-reviewed, semiannual journal of the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities. It is the only international journal dedicated to the distribution of scholarly work and commentary with a focus on contemporary Catholic higher education in the United States and around the world.
That is so true, Steve. It takes forever and ever (and too often never) to show how the exaggerations and outright lies of the ‘scientists’ and researchers who padded and left out data to suit their particular viewpoint and how they foisted it all on an unsuspecting public. And to FYI, I often use this website for really excellent resources…https://www.intercollegiatereview.com/
Kinsey was beyond strange. I can’t believe so many people took what he and his wife wrote seriously. Jung is not far behind…have you ever read anything about his life? Whew! And another one…Mgt. Meade is taken so seriously, even though she falsified much of her work to suit her story. No wonder much of the science of today seems incompatible with religion…religion is based on faith and reason and science is now based on fulfilling research with a preconceived agenda with an eye to being made into a movie or a tv special.
Author Tammy Bruce discussed the targeting of Minors by older members of the “Conga Line of Buggery” seeking fresh territory in her Essay: ‘The Gay Trojan Horse’:
“…Frankly, even before the depth of the Catholic Church’s problem became known it was common knowledge that many gay men pursue sexual relationships with adolescent boys.
Why? Based on my experience in the Gay community I believe its due in part to the fact that so many gay men had their first sexual experiences as an adolescent with an adult male.
This tis a traumatic experience, and as long as the wound remains untreated, the victim feels compelled to continually reenact the experience so as to master it or project it on to others.
The other reason actually discussed in the community is that, because of the Aids crisis and the emergences of drug resistant strains of contagions like herpes and gonorrhea, gay men are compelled to seek new untouched young men….”
In a previous edition Bruce warned against treating this type of ephebophile statutory rape as a Coming of Age process, although later editions toned that down – a bit.
American Psychological Association
“THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, That the American Psychological Association affirms that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality regardless of sexual orientation identity; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the American Psychological Association reaffirms its position that homosexuality per se is not a mental disorder and opposes portrayals of sexual minority youths and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the American Psychological Association concludes that there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the American Psychological Association encourages mental health professionals to avoid misrepresenting the efficacy of sexual orientation change efforts by promoting or promising change in sexual orientation when providing assistance to individuals distressed by their own or others’ sexual orientation…”
So now the Psychological Association trumps God and nature. Sorry. That just doesn’t fly.
Ann Malley, Congress can make “no law” respecting an establishment of religion. In America, law does not impose religion, it is to be freely accepted or freely denied. Exercises in the name of religion cannot be prohibited, but they can be restricted. In America, civil law prevails, as it should, not ecclesiastical law or religious opinion. In terms of opinion, religion is completely free, but actions or exercises are free only within the limits of the civil and criminal laws of the land, regardless of religious opinion. Religion, however you choose to define it, is not above the law. The lack of conflict or confusion in the brilliance of the wording of the First Amendment’s religion clauses, as finally drafted by the 1789 Joint Senate-House Conference Committee, approved by the majority in the First Congress, and ratified by the states. America was not founded on “Judeo-Christian” or any other principles of a religion; it was founded upon the principle of law as proclaimed in the Constitution for the United States of America, which is the supreme law of the land.
Gene anything goes now. The America we thought was, is not. Anything goes.
“The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion;” (U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, signed under John Adams, 1797, Hunter Miller, Treaties, 2:365).
Gene G, you’re a tad off topic, but okay.
What is right can and does trump ‘the law’. You seem to adhere to the naive belief that governments are all good. That said, if you take issue with those who circumvent and/or call out a bad law by ignoring it and/or acting against it, look to the left which, especially during this current administration, likes nothing better than to legislate from the bench – that is decide the laws they want to enforce and/or ignore according to what they or whatever special interest group is popular ‘at the moment’ communicates via the media and popular opinion. ‘How Many Ways Can You Break the Law and Get Away with It,’ could be a new reality television show.
As for Judeo/Christian foundations of this country, try just plain Christian for the men who formed this country were formed by certain principles themselves. The ‘men’ today are increasingly formed by nothing save animal instinct and the belief that they are god. Better for those who actually use their brain to manipulate the poor saps.
So if you want to trade God Almight who sent His Only Begotten Son to die for you out of love for a group of self-interested sinners bent on – gee – facilitating more sin and call it good, that’s your choice. But that choice wasn’t given to you by the State, but by God. Read the Constitution :)
You live in the United States Of America. Not the United Catholics of the Vatican (That goes for any religion). The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land.
You live in Willy Wonka’s land of imagination, Gene G. That said, try reading the constitution and listen to the news sometime if you want to understand how closely the current administration – and others – actually follows the constitution. You might learn something about actual rights in the reading of it.
But either way, ‘legal’ doesn’t equate to right, my friend.
There is a reason why religion is not given total immunity from the laws of society. In his “Remonstrance” Madison wrote: “Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy [effectiveness] of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence [laziness] in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution” ( Papers, 8:301).
Gene G it doesn’t matter, you are commenting on a Catholic website dude! What do you want from us….geeze! Many are smoking something when they come on here on a Catholic website and try to offend those of faith! Go to your secular websites and bother others there.
In case you are ignorant! This USA was founded by those who held Christian values!
Since when has a psychiatrist become a theologian? We’re taking about disordered behavior! Psychiatry is just a cut above alchemy and reading tarot cards as far as I’m concerned and even if you herd them altogether and ask them to determine which end of a boiled egg to crack or whether the emperor is naked , it makes no difference to the final outcome. ‘Science’ is about how, not why. Psychiatry is not about why so much as “How much.” (…can I charge an hour and still keep them coming back?). It was psychiatrists that they sent pedaphile/homosexual priests to be cured and duly sent on to another unsuspecting parish.
While I wouldn’t claim that psychiatrists are perfect, they are however, licensed physicians. They are trained to recognize disorders. On the other hand, you are not, so far as I know, licensed to recognize disorders. Would I go to a theologian to diagnose a malformed heart valve, a disorder by any definition of the word? No of course not, I would go to a heart specialist, a cardiologist, who like a psychiatrist, has taken a basic MD degree then received specialized training beyond that. These are people trained specifically to diagnose and treat disorders. Your average run of the mill theologian… Have THEY ever set foot in a hospital, let alone a field hospital?
Gee, thanks for the info, yfc! I didn’t know that! I was married to a pschologist for ten years and a close friend of my mom’s was a psychiatrist etc. I don’t believe I have to have advanced medical degrees to give my opinion on what I feel is an outdated voodoo science…would that they would just stay physicians. But per usual, you offer up the most specious arguments that aren’t even related to what I wrote. Every hospital has chaplains, priests, etc. and guess what… all priests have degrees in Theology…the priesthood generally requires 8 years of study beyond high school, usually including a college degree followed by 4 or more years of theology study at a seminary. Sure sound qualified to help with disordered behavior to me! Most of the help given by psychatrists is in prescribing drugs. Rich and/or lonely people pay mega-bucks in lieu of talking it over with a friend, a loved one or a priest..secular priests, as it were, that are paid not to tell secrets. But there we go again, off the subject. grrr. You are really a rascal, yfc.
I’m just telling you that theologians do not, as a matter of training, even have pastoral experience let alone training in diagnostics. Priests do not, actually, have to have theology, at least not in name, they get divinity degrees. Some of course do have theology training. But exactly how many of them have taken a single course in, let’s say, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders? Have you? How about we leave the diagnostics to the trained diagnosticians before we get all up on our heels about disordered behaviors?
Good idea, yfc. I remember a website of an exemplary Catholic psychiatrist practicing right in SanFrancisco! There are some wonderful efforts taking place …but I don’t think their association has any right to make assessments about behaviors that have been traditionally in the realm of religion and society. Too often, especially in science, men think they’re above moral imperatives…and we all know where that leads.
YFC writes…Would I go to a theologian to diagnose a malformed heart valve?
YFC, You DID go to and allow wayward and wounded theologians to malform your heart and mind when many of these theologians selfishly ignored truth and misdiagnosed the treatment of your wounds. You also chose to follow the dangerous words of these wayward wounded theologians who sadly perpetuated their own wounds as well as your wounds instead of seeking out faithful and faith filled theologians who would have ONLY perpetuated trust in God’s revealed truths that are contained in the authentic magisterial teachings of the Catholic Church. YFC, These are the wayward theologians who convinced you and others to now claim the modern day title of becoming the proud offenders of betraying God. Many of these theologians still HAVE malformed hearts which has in turn perpetuated the malformation of your thinking.
They did not trust in the revealed truths of the Sacred Heart. Lead souls to trust in the mercy of the Sacred Heart instead of continuing to assist in malforming the hearts, the consciences and the souls of those that you do claim to love. There is NO love when you lead other souls directly to hell or choose to consistently place more thorns on the Sacred Heart of Jesus who died to redeem all sinners.
NARTH’ co-founder, Joesph Nicolosi encourages male clients to become more masculine by drinking Gatorade and referring to friends as “dude”. NARTH therapists have been known to practice rubber band therapy, where a gay client is made to wear a rubber band and snap it on his wrist when sexually stimulated. It is a mild form of aversion therapy meant to “snap” the client out of the moment of attraction. NARTH members have also been known to practice “touch therapy”, where a client sits in the therapist’ lap for up to an hour, while the therapist caresses him. Another member of NARTH, George Rekers, resigned from the organization after being caught coming from a vacation overseas with a “rentboy.”
Psychiatrists are practicing MD’s; licensed psychologists, who may have a Ph.D, MA/MS, or perhaps a MSW, are generally not. Not all APA members have Ph.D’s, and this is important. The APA allows associate membership for those with only master’s degrees or even just two years of graduate study. After 5 years of membership, an associate (i.e., someone who doesnt have a Ph.D) may now become a full voting member. So, the “prestige” of the APA voting for resolutions to change the categorizations of the DSM means very little. It also relates to the endless “peer-review” mantra. Those elect and august APA members, who at one time (1973) re-defined the DSM, based in part on Kinsey’s fake research and “contribution” to the field, have mostly pre-determined their scientifically “accepted” positions. Dr William Reilly and Dr. Nicolosi are anathema, therefore.
Interesting: a group (the APA) that eschews religious dogma and tradition insists on canonizing their own set of dogmas, which are equally unproveable..
Pray away the Gay does not work. It will never work. Stick a fork in it , because it is done.
correction, Dr Robert Reilly
June, 2013. After almost 40 years *The decision by Exodus to shutdown – the result of a unanimous vote by its board of directors – was announced and comes after Exodus International President Alan Chambers posted an apology on the group’s website, saying it is time for someone to “finally own and acknowledge the hurt of others.” “I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced,” he wrote. “I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents. I am sorry that there were times I didn’t stand up to people publicly ‘on my side’ who called you names like sodomite—or worse.”
So that means not all homosexuals are sodomites, right? Certainly it doesn’t apply to lesbians, right?
Right!!!!!
https://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/14255
This video speaks to the truth that “acting” on SSA is a choice and that people can and do change their orientation.
More junk science propaganda.
The ‘junk science” truly comes from the APA. These were the people who declassified homosexuality as a mental illness after much scientific
research ….. not exactly. They declassified it after threats, bullying and pressure from the gay lobby. You wanna talk about junk science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stella, despite your using a dozen exclamation points, the science accumulated since the APA decision is overwhelmingly opposed to your opinion. And that is why every relevant medical and psychological licensing bodies and professional organizations have come out with similar positions to the APA.
And just to remind you, most people who engage in sodomy are not gay or homosexuals, as there are more straight people engaging in sodomy than there are same sex people engaging in sodomy.
yep….and its still a SIN
An excellent point, YFC, that I would posit could be true based on the low percentage of the population that actually identifies as homosexual and the high percentage of ‘marriages’ out there based on nothing but personal feeling. But that in itself should underscore the issue is the sinfulness of *Sodomy* itself, not the persons involved. Hence the whole ridiculousness of labeling those who seek to please God as being only gay-haters or supposed homo-phobes.
The push for those who love God should be to follow His prescripts inside lawful marriage and outside it. That is why folks are banding together to support true marriage, not its further degradation by attempting to sanctify that which is inherently only has sodomy as its physical conclusion.
AM, you have not heard me call people who believe that homosexual sex is a sin homophobic.
You have also heard me call folks who harp incessantly and are focused almost entirely on homosexuality as obsessed. Sometimes folks obsessed with homosexuality are simply obsessed, and sometimes they are also homophobic.
You have heard me call as homophobes those who demonstrate an irrational hatred for gay people, as SOME of the prior folks do. I would count among them, the folks at the March on Washington this week holding the sign calling homosexuality satanism. You probably have to be a homophobe to confuse homosexuality with satanism. Folks who think gay people were the fuel of the Third Reich, they are probably homophobes. In general, if you find yourselves going beyond what the Catechism teaches about homosexuality, then you are probably a good candidate for being a homophobe.
I think these are three (people who believe same sex acts are sinful, people who are obsessed with homosexuality and its sinfulness, and true homophobes) are different kinds of people, though they do often overlap.
I have spent some time watching and listening to Dr. Nicolosi on Youtube. I find some of the things in his therapy questionable or abhorrent, such as the use of gay porn to desensitize same sex attraction, His therapy is a trauma therapy. He believes that in some people homosexuality is rooted in childhood trauma or attachment loss with a parent. It is called reparative therapy because he believes that in some people, homosexuality is an attempt to repair certain defects in the patient. If a person wants to try to diminish (not cure) their same sex attraction and it is rooted in trauma, his therapy might work. He says that it does not work for everyone, only for some people.
Like the man in the article, who claims that his Same Sex Attraction is reduced by about 50%, the intention is to reduce the attractions in people who want to diminish them.
The Catholic Church does not take any position on the cause of homosexuality, but stresses that homosexual sex acts are immoral because they are not in conformity with the Creator’s design for sexual union. Cardinal Ratzinger’s quote on the CCC should suffice to define the Church’s stand on the cause of homosexuality.
“We have left room for all the hypotheses on the origin of homosexual tendency – whether it is innate or developed under certain circumstances.”
“Gay is OK but not Gay is OK too.” Dr. Joseph Nicolosi
Is he 50% gay or 50% straight? NARTH is a hoax and dangerous to any Gay person that is put through it.
Lee, he did not say anything about being straight. He said he has not had a homosexual relationship in 4 years and his attractions are diminished by about 50%.
NARTH associates with known extremists. At one NARTH convention, Richard Cohen served as a therapy trainer. Cohen once belonged to a cult that practiced nude therapy and was permanently expelled from the American Counseling Association in 2003 for malpractice. Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, a NARTH therapist, has written that Prozac may cure gayness. Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively, has been a frequent contributor to NARTH’ website. Lively’ book, “The Pink Swastika” blames the holocaust on gay people. NARTH therapist Christopher Austin, who taught seminars for NARTH, was convicted for sexually abusing his clients.
Duncan, admit it you are just a plain old religious bigot, Good for you. Just the same pray away the Gay does not work.
Lee thee so little of faith….
Of new HIV infections in 2006, 53% were among men who had sex with men; 31% resulted from heterosexual contact; 12% resulted from injection drug use; and 4% were among men who had sex with men and also used injection drugs. In 2006, women accounted for 25% of HIV/AIDS diagnoses among adolescents and adults, and men for 75%. However, among infections that resulted from heterosexual contact, women account for a growing majority. Eighty percent of women diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in 2006 contracted the virus through heterosexual contact. Among both males and females, blacks have the highest rates of new infections. Although blacks make up approximately 13% of the U.S. population, they accounted for almost half of the estimated new HIV/AIDS diagnoses in 2006.
Lee= anti-Christian bigot! Lee allow me to correct you! Calling anyone who honors God’s holy commandments in regards to the natural law, a bigot, is calling our Lord that name because Duncan, just like many who are seeking to honor God, are only obeying God in regards to those issues! We are to be like minded with our Lord, not like LEE says!
Duncan Lee just called our Lord a bigot. Pray for him! He is a lost soul.
Thanks for the stats, FYI, which speak to the complete logic and love of the call to chastity according to one’s state in life. Which would preclude unnatural/disordered sex acts in their entirety, even between those lawfully bound in marriage.
Being gay is not an illness, and it doesn’t need to be treated through therapy. What should be treated is the erroneous belief that people can (and need) to be cured of their homosexuality. When a group like the Texas Republican Party adopts a platform that, “recognize[s] the legitimacy and efficacy of counseling, which offers reparative therapy and treatment for those patients seeking healing and wholeness from their homosexual lifestyle,” they demonstrate their ignorance of facts.
It has become increasingly clear that the quality of HIV prevention and treatment services an individual receives is influenced as much by where they live, as by their social economic group. In 2010, a report criticized the response to the HIV epidemic in the 17 states in “the South”, where the risk of HIV transmission and mortality is highest. 32 Factors which contribute towards this include: poverty, poor access to healthcare relative to the rest of the country, a focus on abstinence based sex education, and laws that criminalize HIV transmission and restrict harm reduction programs for PWID. A study examining data from across the country also found that, for social economic reasons, non-white men and particularly non-white women residing in the South experience the worst clinical outcomes after being diagnosed with HIV. AIDS-related mortality rates vary geographically, far more than within other highly developed countries where national health insurance programs or health policies are geographically uniform.
GIOF, you are free to choose your response to same sex attraction, but you have no right to enforce your acceptance of such on others who choose not to accept their situation as fixed. Especially not when it conflicts with that which nature and God proscribe.
The church already has declared that homosexuality is a disorder and embracing it’s lifestyles that are promoted today, is a grave sin! Homosexuals are called to be chaste! If you don’t know what that means….seek out a holy priest and seek guidance! read what the early church Fathers have said on the subject! ETC
Being Gay Is Not A Mental Disorder And Cannot Be Cured’
“The largest association of psychotherapists in the UK has sent a letter to all of its 30,000 members, telling them that being gay is not a mental disorder and cannot be ‘cured.’ Pointing to a report by the World Health Organization ‘Cures For An Illness Which Does Not Exist’ the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy (BACP) issued a formal change of its policy. The letter stated that practices such as ‘conversion or reparative therapies’ have no medical indication and ‘represent a severe threat to the health and human rights of the affected persons.’ The Church is wrong and this is not the first time that has happened in the history of the church.
“There is no scientific, rational or ethical reason to treat people who identify within a range of human sexualities any differently from those who identify solely as heterosexual.”
Duncan & Abeca, you are both wrong. In March 2011, The Post-ABC News poll asked about support of same-sex marriage. An astounding 63 percent of white Catholics thought it should be legal. That same month a poll from Public Religion Research Institute revealed that Catholics were more supportive of LGBT issues than the general population.
Well, this Catholic isn’t for same-sex marriage. I stand with Archbishop Cordileone who said recently at the March for Marriage:
“Every child comes from a man and a woman, and has a right, a natural human right, to know and be known by, to love and be loved by, their own mother and father. This is the great public good that marriage is oriented towards and protects.”
Those “Catholics” who support SS marriage are in for a shock when they stand before the Almighty on judgement day. It won’t matter then what the polls say. The Truth will win out although there will be many casualties in the battles along the way – the Truth being Jesus Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church which declares homosexuality to be an abomination which cries out to heaven for vengeance. Hope that is clear.
That is not what the church teaches about homosexuality, Stella. Please read the Catechism for that. And by the way, the Catechism says nothing about same sex marriage. Nor does Jesus or the Bible.
Pelosi Catholic is wrong again. From the CCC:
“1601 The MATRIMONIAL COVENANT, by which a MAN AND A WOMAN establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; this covenant between baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament.”
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
1847 “God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us.”116 To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”117
1848 As St. Paul affirms, “Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more.”118 But to do its work grace must uncover sin so as to convert our hearts and bestow on us “righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”119 Like a physician who probes the wound before treating it, God, by his Word and by his Spirit, casts a living light on sin:
Conversion requires convincing of sin; it includes the interior judgment of conscience, and this, being a proof of the action of the Spirit of truth in man’s inmost being, becomes at the same time the start of a new grant of grace and love: “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Thus in this “convincing concerning sin” we discover a double gift: the gift of the truth of conscience and the gift of the certainty of redemption. The Spirit of truth is the Consoler.120
Taken from Catholic Answers
What are sins that cry to heaven for vengeance and sins against the Holy Spirit?
Answer: Most Catholics are familiar with the term mortal sin. Mortal sins deprive the soul of grace. They are serious transgressions of God’s law, done freely and deliberately with a clear understanding of what they are. Their result is to deny a soul entrance to heaven.
There are particular mortal sins that are so evil that they are said to be sins that cry to heaven for vengeance: murder (Gn 4:10), sodomy (Gn 17:20-21), oppression of the poor (Ex 2:23), and defrauding workers of their just wages (Jas 5:4).
Sins against the Holy Spirit are mortal sins that harden a soul by its rejection of the Holy Spirit. Six sins are in this category. They are despair, presumption, envy, obstinacy in sin, final impenitence, and deliberate resistance to the known truth.
Our Lord defined marriage, YFC. One man, one woman. That means no same sex ‘marriage’.
Sandra, Sodomy is one of the sins that cry to heaven for vengeance, not homosexuality.
YFC, The Catechism does not talk about same-sex marriage because same-sex marriage is not possible.
Marriage in the order of creation
1603 “The intimate community of life and love which constitutes the married state has been established by the Creator and endowed by him with its own proper laws. . . . God himself is the author of marriage.”87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes.
The Bible does not speak of same-sex marriage because same-sex marriage is not possible.
“Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh. Genesis 2:24
Jesus has spoken about same sex marriage.
Luke 10:16 He who hears you, hears me.
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
The Devil has spoken……and his fellow minions of confusion!
Jesus and the Bible does not mention pornography or incest either, but we know they are wrong.. don’t we YFC…??
You might open up an entirely different debate with that logical use of – well – logic, Canisius. In other words: the topics you bring up will be the objects of the next ‘push’ by so-called progressives.
God help us! And God bless those similarly inclined to use logic as it was intended – to defend the Truth!
“And by the way, the Catechism says nothing about same sex marriage. Nor does Jesus or the Bible.” An astounding line of moral reasoning. that dismisses the actual teaching of the Pentateuch, the Gospels, the NT Letters, the Didache, the Apostolic Fathers, and the Doctors of the Church both East and West. Jesus did not establish a higher moral law (Mt. 5:17), but a lower one?
Along the same line of reasoning, there is no mention “by Jesus or the Bible” of insider-trading, identity-theft, credit-card fraud, kidnapping, bank robbery, etc… This is a facetiously strict legalism that dishonestly interprets the mere literal words of the written law and permits, as with the Pharisees, all kinds of moral wrongdoing : “Blind guides! You strain out the gnat and swallow the camel.”(Mt. 23:24)
Correction to my post – homosexuality is NOT an abomination; acting out on the inclination – sodomy – IS.
Sin is still sin even its in fashion….
Very serious matter. Sorry for the distress this priest caused you. I hope you raise awareness of this priest’s misdeeds. He needs to be defrocked.
“Like the Communist Party, you can enter the “gay community,” but you can’t leave it. Traitors will be dealt with.” – Dr. Robert R. Reilly interview 6/1/2014 CCD.
Increasingly I am reminded of the occult-inspired lyrics of “Hotel California” by The Eagles (1977):
“Mirrors on the ceiling,
The pink champagne on ice;
And she said “We are all just prisoners here, of our own device..
.Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
“Relax, ” said the night man,
“We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave.”
Those who join the cause are not permitted to leave and go gently into that good night. They have to stay forever in “Hotel California”.
The phony “peer-review-mantra” attack on reparative therapy is dealt another blow by, in another formerly respected field of science, the exposing of the complete lie of man-made global climate change, another “peer-reviewed” and
“scientifically approved” hoax:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html
The image of Parliament and Big Ben immersed in water, an astonishing foolishness, perfectly sums up the immersion and coercion of the APA and their fear that some may decide of their own volition to leave “Hotel California.”
Climate change is one of Booker’s signature campaigns. He has written a book on the global warming “hoax” that a review in the Observer described as “the definitive climate sceptics manual” The book is in fact well argued, well written and thoroughly referenced. It is also complete nonsense from start to finish. His favored tactic is to misunderstand (being charitable) or misrepresent the sources he quotes. As with creationists, it’s only if you check what the references say that the deceit becomes plain.
…”in fact well argued, well written and thoroughly referenced. It is also complete nonsense from start to finish.” Two logical contradictions are rarely seen in immediate juxtaposition. If thesis 1 is true and the writer says so, thesis 2 is false.
I think not. “Hotel California” actually was popularized to mean several places, including a Chicago prison on California St: or for example, on the album cover there appears the “Pink Palace”, the famed Beverly HIlls Hotel. But it actually refers to Satanist Anton Szandor LaVey’s one-time famous “black house” at 6119 California St (demolished in 2001) which Don Felder and Don Henley of the Eagles visited several times with LaVey and to the Manson cult, “where no one could check out.” The Eagles writers/musicians met some of the soon-to-be Manson girls and most likely Manson about 1967-1968 in SF. Manson was actually then living in the Haight-Ashbury at this time, having been recently released from Terminal Island prison. They continued to have extensive contacts and interactions with Manson and his girls at various SF & LA nightclubs in the run-up to the 1969 Tate-Labiance “Helter Skelter” murders. LaVey actually introduced Manson to Susan Atkins, who was a burlesque dancer (“Sexy Sadie”) for LaVey at the time at his strip bar on Broadway in SF, Manson came to LaVey trying to break into the Hollywood music industry and complaining that he had been ostracized from it. As a result, LaVey put him in touch with several music “insiders” in LA, very likely record producerTerry Melcher among others.
There is much more, but this is all than can be said in 250 words. Oh: Snopes.com alleges the LaVey-Hotel California is false—so you can be SURE it is true.
(cont) Additional validation of the “Hotel California”-LaVey-Manson connection is directly in the lyrics and on the jacket cover of the original record: within the lyrics is the reference to the year 1969 (the Tate-Labianca murders occurred Aug 8, 1969) and stabbing of a body, “the Beast”, a reference within the cult-group to Sharon Tate’s body). Anton LaVey appears on the inside cover of the album (interesting, no?). Henley and Felder later denied all these references to Manson and Lavey because it became too “hot” after the Bugliosi trials established the extensive occult connections of Manson and his group.
There is much more, but this is all than can be said in 250 words. Oh: Snopes.com alleges the LaVey-Hotel California is false—so you can be SURE it is true.