I first met Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in 1994 when I was researching my book Inside the Vatican: The Politics and Organization of the Catholic Church. I was getting ready to leave Rome and he was one of the last and most important interviews for the book. Because of illness, he had to cancel our first appointment and then graciously rescheduled me for a time when most Vatican officials were taking their siestas.
At the end of the interview, I asked for his blessing — something I only did with two other Vatican officials — because I sensed I was in the presence of a holy man.
But I also knew I was in the presence of a man who, as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, had done irreparable harm to theological discussion in the church. There were scores of theologians who had been investigated and silenced by his congregation during the papacy of John Paul II. Articles and books had been censored. Professors had been removed from their jobs. Even more had practiced self-censorship to avoid harassment.
Those targeted included liberation theologians in Latin America, moral theologians in the United States and Europe, and anyone writing about the priesthood.
Some of them were my close friends. I lived with two Jesuits who spent most of their sabbatical defending themselves from attacks by Rome. These were not minor figures. One, Michael Buckley, had worked as the chief staff person for the U.S. bishops’ committee on doctrine; the other, David Hollenbach, had helped the bishops write their pastoral letter on the economy.
Ratzinger’s problem was that he treated theologians like they were his graduate students who needed correction and guidance.
As a result, my last question to the cardinal was, “Granted the history of this congregation and the church in relation with certain theologians — I am thinking of some who were silenced before Vatican II and then were later acknowledged — do you ever worry that you may be … ?”
He laughed and responded, “Well, every day we make an examination of conscience if we are doing good or not. But finally, only our Lord can judge.” In short, you do the best you can.
My own difficulties with Ratzinger began shortly after I became editor of America Magazine, a journal of opinion published by U.S. Jesuits. When I became editor in June 1998, I wanted to make America a journal of discussion and debate on the important issues facing the church. I knew there were limits to what we could publish. There would be no editorials in favor of married priests, women priests or changing the church teaching on birth control. But I thought we could have discussion and debate in articles that did not necessarily represent the views of the magazine.
That summer the Vatican issued documents on the authority of bishops’ conferences and on ecumenism and interreligious dialogue. I asked around to find the best canon lawyers and theologians to write about these documents and published their articles. I did not tell them what to say. For the most part, they were polite responses that started by saying what they liked about the documents followed by where they thought the documents failed.
Over my seven years as editor, I tried to get writers who would represent different views in the church. I published every submission from a bishop (except one). When Cardinal Walter Kasper submitted an article critical of Ratzinger’s ecclesiology, I immediately requested and got a response for publication from him.
I even invited Raymond Burke, then archbishop of St. Louis, to explain his position on denying Communion to pro-choice politicians. But I also published responses from a prominent canon lawyer and the Catholic representative he had targeted.
We also published numerous articles on the sex abuse crisis.
Within a couple of years, Ratzinger, through the Jesuit superior general in Rome, was signaling his unhappiness with the magazine. It became clear that in Rome’s view a Catholic journal of opinion should only express one opinion — the Vatican’s. Every document and word from the Vatican should be greeted with uncritical enthusiasm.
Conservative Catholic voices in the United States were also attacking the magazine for not being obedient to the pope. Interestingly, many of these same voices are now criticizing Pope Francis in a tone I would never have taken with anyone in the papacy.
At one point, the Vatican wanted to impose a committee of bishops as censors for the magazine. Luckily, Cardinal Avery Dulles and others came to our defense and the idea was tabled.
The final nail in the coffin was a series of articles on gay marriage, starting with one strongly opposed to it by a philosophy professor from the Catholic University of America. In response to this article, we received an unsolicited article supporting gay marriage by a theology professor from Boston College. I knew this would be controversial, so I allowed the first author to respond to the response, and thus have the last word. That was not good enough.
Soon after, the word came from Ratzinger that Reese had to go. For various reasons, the message was not communicated to me until after he was elected pope.
I was not surprised when I heard. I had already concluded that it was time to go. Granted my history with Ratzinger, now that he was pope, it was best for the Jesuits and the magazine that I bow out. And although I loved the job, I was tired after seven years of looking over my shoulder.
True, I was angry and depressed, but it soon became clear that once I was no longer editor, no one in Rome cared what I said or wrote. I was free. I have enjoyed my post-America career as a writer for Religion News Service and the National Catholic Reporter. And the election of Pope Francis lifted my depression.
I am getting old, and I now want to forgive Benedict. I want to let it go. I don’t think we really grow up until we are able to forgive our parents for their failures.
Benedict has not asked for my forgiveness. I doubt he remembers who I am. He probably still believes what he did to me and to numerous theologians was the right thing for the church, but I still want to forgive him.
I cannot insist that others forgive him, especially those who were abused by priests. In the early days of the crisis, he was like every other prelate, but he got better over time and faster than did many of his peers. He ultimately helped the church improve its response to the abuse crisis. But my experience is in no way comparable to the pain they suffered.
In short, I see Benedict as a holy but flawed individual who did the best he was capable of. For all of us, that is the best we can say, so we should forgive as we would want to be forgiven. In the end, as he said, “finally, only our Lord can judge.”
Full story at Religion News Service.
I have zero sympathy for you, Fr Reese (SJ). You are a reasonably competent social scientist and observer of the functional church, but you are certainly not a trained theologian. This statement smacks of so much hubris, it is actually hard for me to re-read: “Pope Benedict had done irreparable harm to theological discussion in the church.” You and your younger confrere, James Martin have an annoying habit of feigning personal hurt and offense when someone might dare disagree with your own very publicly stated conclusions, which invariably center on the ordinary moral teachings of the Church, even though neither you nor James Martin are trained theologians nor members of the episcopacy. In any event, you are not – or never were – a theological equal of Pope Benedict. The final statement is unbelievable ad hominem…”I cannot insist that others forgive him, especially those who were abused by priests.” …talk about kicking a dead man. A measure of humility would serve you well in your old age.
It is America magazine that should be asking for forgiveness for spreading errors and disinformation! The arrogance of these Jesuits is unreal!
Thomas Reese is a failure of a man, a failure of a priest, and a success as a Jesuit.
Despite his claim to want to forgive Benedict, which is a subtle rhetorical move to assert that Reese has the high moral ground and has been wronged, it is obvious in this diatribe that Reese resents Benedict tremendously.
It was during Reese’s tenure as editor of America Magazine that I myself decided to cancel my subscription of over fifteen years. It was obvious to me by 2001 that America Magazine did not respect nor reflect nor support the Catholic faith. It was a thinly veiled leftist, secularist, dissident Catholic journal. Reese being sacked as editor was warranted and deserved and necessary.
What about the theologians not censured by Benedict? What about Hans Kung? Reese paints a one-sided, dishonest picture. The CDF under Ratzinger stepped in when needed.
Benedict R.I.P.
Reese, go away. James Martin, go away. Jesuits, go away. The Jesuits are a scourge on the Church. Their prideful arrogance is as sickening as their honey-coated dissidence is intended to deceive by its sweetness.
A very well written post. I wish you had left your name.
The writer of that post at least twice referred to Reese’s dissent. Now (of course I am writing this not knowing anything about the writer) unless the writer herself/himself is in complete agreement with all papal magisterial teachings as every Catholic should be (especially Pope Francis’ magisterium), as well as all the other teachings and disciplines of the Church, the writer would have no authenticity and moral ground to call out another person’s dissent, Jesuit or not. Otherwise, the writer’s accusation rings hollow at best, or hypocritical at worst. Just my two cents.
I only commented on the quality of writing.
I did not comment on the content.
I could argue with everything in it.
And I think every Catholic is obligated to call out dissent, even if they themselves dissent.
Dissent is a sin. There is no right to dissent in the Catholic Church. Imagine a drunkard who admonishes other people for their drinking. What do you call such a person? A hypocrite.
It is very common for people with addictions to warn other people to get off the sauce before they end up like them.
Whether you are a hypocrite or not, you should admonish people who are doing something wrong or dangerous.
I find it frustrating when people who know better won’t admonish the sinner because ‘we all sin.”
A Catholic should not dissent but if he is going to, he should make it plain that he is dissenting from the Catholic Church’s teaching.
Actually, it is not common that common for people with addictions to give warning to others. There are those who do, but it’s not that common. Plus, I do not sense—just by reading—that that is what the writer of the comment intended with his/her admonitions.
I am the writer of the comment. I do not dissent from any Church teaching and I admonish those who do.
The comment I approved the writing of was just so well written as to be done by a professional writer and I wished they had left their name.
I chose not to criticize the content.
It actually was very mean and I probably should have focused on that instead of the quality of writing.
jon, after reflection, you are correct. One should never dissent from the Church. By doing what Reese did, he encouraged dissent by making it seem as if it was OK. He did well by bringing in the truth to compare it to but that also gives the impression to the weak in faith and knowledge, that you can have your own ideas and that it is up for discussion.
It is not Reese’s dissent that is in question, but those of the majority of this blog who seem to routinely express disagreement and dissent from Church teachings. Any commenter here, such as the one whose comment was just praised (“thinly”), who seem to be vigorous and zealous in denouncing Reese’s dissent, should first “remove the plank from [their] own eye, and then [they] will see clearly to remove the speck from [their] brother’s eye” (Matt.7:5).
You are accusing someone of dissent that you do not know has dissented.
Although there are many unfaithful, cafeteria Catholics who post here, not everybody is.
And many of the people who I know personally who dissent or are unfaithful were taught it by a priest.
There are priests who are like Father Reese but who dissent on other things.
It is almost impossible these days to find humility and obedience in anyone.
And we all fall.
Your objection to the post is an assumption about the writer which could not be true.
I did not think whoever wrote it was a regular here because we don’t write that well.
Didn’t I write at the outset that “I am writing this not knowing anything about the writer” namely “thinly”? Plus I have put a lot of caveats in my comment. You ought to really read carefully before you accuse me of accusing “thinly” of dissent.
Great post. The bad Jesuits of post-Vatican II have wrongfully championed very serious and extremely immoral causes, like Baby Killing (Abortion) and gay sex and gay marriage. They have encouraged Pres. Joe Biden, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Kennedy family, and other immoral Democrats, in terrible wrong-doings. And they always offer these bad Catholics Holy Communion, at Mass– especially, Nancy Pelosi. Dissent from Catholic teaching often means very serious, even criminal beliefs and actions. With no belief in repentance! And Jesuit support for Marxist “liberation theology” is very serious, dangerous, and scary, too— a terrible mistake. Yes, these evil Jesuit clerics are actually highly destructive, secular liberal-leftist social activists– not Catholics, nor even Christians.
Requiescat in pace Pope Benedict XVI.
No apologies needed when you spoke the truth.
C’mon. First article here on this subject is this Jesuit crud?! Shame on ccd
Thomas Reese was several times a speaker at past RECongress. Ratzinger never was.
There were frequent criticisms of Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict, at RECongress workshops by speakers and audience members. Nobody ever criticized Thomas Reese.
Benedict’s books and articles and magisterial documents will continue to be read for centuries into the future. Reese and the RECongress will both have been dead and forgotten within thirty years.
A loathsome excuse for a priest, I walked past him one day about 2 years ago on 5th Ave in NYC, not recognizing him until after the fact, lucky for him.
Spoken like a real man!
On the contrary, “bohemond” must explain further what he meant. This is because if he meant to do anything physical (which “Jeff John” seems to confirm by stating “spoken like a real man,”) assaulting a member of the clergy is subject to punishment in Canon Law. It is sacrilege, in which case this is not manly behavior at all, but childish and boorish. A real man restrains himself and has mastery over himself.
I don’t need any lectures from “jon” about what it means to be a real man. The ideas of “jon” about being a real man are a product of one particular person’s cultural background. There are other cultures that have different conceptions of being a real man. In the past some here have suspected that “jon” is a female posing as a male. This latest comment of “jon” presents a mentality that is very common with females. It is very common for females to be turned off by strong men.
It is inconsistent for the Pope to advocate against civil penalties for violent crimes when the Church still has penalties against violent crimes in its Code of Canon Law. If the Pope wants to be consistent in abolishing the death penalty, he should abolish the death penalty for souls that is in the code of Canon Law. Anything less is hypocritical and fake.
Many criminals who were recently able to get away with rape and murder should be grateful to “jon” for promoting criminal justice reform. No more death penalty! No more time in jail! What a paradise for those who commit violent crimes! Thank you “jon”.
bohemond does not have to explain anything to “jon”.
Totally wrong is “Jeff John” and “bohemond.” Physical assault against anyone (against clergy, women, the weak, minors, the vulnerable, anyone), done not out of self-defense, but out of loathing, hate, anger, rage, out of disagreement about what was said, or out of wrath must be called out and condemned completely. If “bohemond” had assaulted Reese, this is an example of thuggery, bullying, lawlessness. This is not what a real, mature man does (a real man has mastery and control over his emotions and impulses). The threat of physical assault and death is what tyrants and bullies and dictators around the world have done to the poor and powerless. Now, a Catholic inflicting physical injury against a member of the clergy may be subject to punishment under Canon Law. This is a serious crime. Again, this is thuggish behavior (not manly at all but possibly demonic, but certainly a sign of petulance and childishness) that no mature, rational, and right-thinking person should defend. Physical assault of any kind, against clergy, women, children, the vulnerable must be condemned. Unequivocally.
What “jon” does here in this and in many other places is fake. Fake “jon” always talks about how catholic and holy fake “jon” is. Fake “jon” completely obliterated section 2478 of the catechism of the catholic church. Fake “jon” demonstrates extreme greediness in finding the most unfavorable way to characterize someone else’s comments. There are more charitable ways of interpreting the comments of another person that fake “jon” ignores. Fake “jon” only demonstrates an interest making others look bad here. This is one of the defining traits of an internet troll.
The fake behavior of fake “jon” is further augmented by fake “jon” pretending that he is opposed to violence. For several years on this very website, fake “jon” was very vociferous in advocating changes in criminal justice that greatly reduce the punishments for violent crime. Fake “jon” was very often harsh and boorish while scolding those who disagreed with fake “jon”. Fake “jon” urged others to listen to the “living magisterium” in a manner that needlessly antagonized others. Fake “jon” is now projecting the image of being the prince of magnanimity to the reader. The behavior of fake “jon” is a textbook example of dishonesty. The name “jon” is just as fake as his behavior.
@jon…yawn….
Jeff John, dont even bother with the self appointed Doctor of the Church.aka jon.. his lack of self awareness and arrogance is galactic
So go ahead “Jeff John” and prove your point. What is a “more charitable way of interpreting the comment” of “bohmend” when he wrote, “lucky for Reese” he wasn’t recognized by “bohemond” in the streets on NYC? And then what did you mean by writing “spoken like a real man”?
A real man clearly speaks the truth. He does not shirk from speaking the truth because it is unpopular. He does not sugarcoat the truth with therapeutic language that effectively hides the truth from view. He does not shirk from exposing the insincerity of fake religious leaders. In this light, the prophets were real men. They did not let fear of the death penalty deter them from the responsibility that God gave them to speak the truth to corrupt religious leaders. Their love for God was stronger than death. A real man loves God.
The fake religious leaders of the past feared the prophets so much that they killed the prophets that were sent to them. The prophets did not employ violence against fake religious leaders. The prophets were feared by fake religious leaders because the clear and unequivocal presentation of the truth would expose the religious leaders as fakes. In this light, fake religious leaders have a lot to fear from a strong catholic man who clearly speaks truth when it becomes necessary. Such a religious leader could be “lucky” to be spared from being exposed as a fake.
That is how you find a charitable way to interpret your neighbor’s words according to section 2478 of the catechism of the catholic church. I hope to have edified others here. I would like the conversations that take place over here to be edifying rather than occasions of mud slinging.
But truth-telling is not an exclusively a male trait. There were women prophets in the Old Testament and many female saints who “spoke truth to power.” And there are many women down the centuries to our time who are just as frank and candid as men. What was that “spoken like a real man” comment for?
I already explained it.
Jeff John, Calling another poster here as fake is out of line. Almost all commenters here is anonymous and none of us can possibly know all about another commenter in order to justify calling anyone fake. Even if you may know personally the identity of a commenter, throwing an ad hominem attack as you did is not how to debate or exchange ideas.
I have read your comment and you didn’t really explain why you had to write “spoken like a real man” about someone who is willing to be a truth-teller. Women too can be brave truth tellers. This is not an exclusively manly quality. Or did you mean something else by that comment of “spoken like a real man”? Are you being truthful to us here in your explanation?
Ad hominem, when I notice that a person’s behavior is different than what that person pretends to be, then I can recognize that person is being fake. Saying that the person is fake is telling a simple and direct truth. It is not the same thing as name calling just for the sake of name calling. You are probably intelligent enough to understand the distinction and are trying to find a way to needlessly quibble with me for your own entertainment.
“jon” frequently quotes the names of interlocutors to indicate that they are fake but you have never objected to that. Your objections seem pretty fake to me.
I wrote: “A real man clearly speaks the truth.”
The reply is: “..you didn’t really explain why you had to write ‘spoken like a real man'”.
This is not college level reading folks.
Has someone been trolling over here?
The explanation doesn’t make sense because why is a fake lucky not to be exposed? A faker should be luckier to have been exposed so that the truth is further delivered to him and he could reform his ways and repent. A faker is not lucky at all to be kept in his error. Believing that Reese is lucky to have missed bohemond is not the right way to think about this, if we believe your explanation. Admonishing the sinner is an act of mercy. Also the people he misleads would be luckier if a fake is exposed. This explanation is not convincing. It sounds contrived. Fake.
It is just unnecessary to say “spoken like a real man” because women too are truth-tellers. Therefore your comment is misleading and very open to misinterpretation. Truth-telling is not an exclusively manly quality. I am not trolling. I am pointing out a comment of yours that can be interpreted as misogynistic.
Sir, my point is that ad hominem attacks are not suitable in any debate. Definitely not suitable when we cannot see the live behavior of commenters. You sound defensive for no reason.
Your explanation is the most contrived one that I have seen here. I feel sorry for the people who wasted their time reading it.
When someone reads a comment about men on the Internet and responds as if the comment was written about women we are to believe that person is not trolling. Why?
You should know that I was talking about the way that someone behaves on this website while professing to be just the opposite. Were you trying to find an uncharitable way of representing my words?
Sir, you can only judge a person’s comment on a blog, not his or her behavior. It is impossible to determine personality, behavior, character from a comment because We’re all anonymous here so consequently we can only judge and critique the comment not the person. But It seems you want to use ad hominems to discredit a poster. That’s not a legitimate way to debate.
Sir, I am not representing your words. I am saying that attacks on a person like ad hominem is not a valid and mature way of responding. It is impossible to judge behavior and character of commenters here because everyone is anonymous. All you can see are words and the points a person makes. It is possible to judge and criticize the words and the arguments that a person makes but it is not possible to judge the behavior which you have no knowledge of.
It is not trolling because your explanation for your comment “spoken like a real man” doesn’t make sense, because generally we do not say those words to a man who only intended to tell the truth. We normally do not, because women too are truth-tellers. We might say “spoken like a real man” to a male who expresses for example male bravado or machismo, especially if he intends to be physically assertive or physically courageous. Women typically do not express such bravado. But since you’re now backpedaling on that, because you know you made a mistake in your earlier comment you now give an implausible explanation. The additional problem for you is that your explanation is misogynistic because by saying “spoken like a real man” the implication you give is that truth-telling is not a behavior of women too. You’re digging a deeper hole for yourself.
Ad hominem, are you saying that if I was to write a comment that appears on this website and that comment contains an ad hominem attack, that I would be exhibiting bad behavior that is totally inappropriate here?
Woman truth-teller, your comment presents a childish caricature of masculinity that portrays masculinity as toxic. Your comment exhibits a refusal to view masculinity in a more positive light. My explanation can not make sense to you for one of two reasons:
1) You refuse to allow for a way for your neighbor’s comments to be viewed charitably because you want to win an argument on the Internet.
2) You can not view masculinity as anything but toxic.
When I was expressing my thoughts on what it means to be a real man, I did not mention women. Your reply says that my explanation is misogynistic. In what universe is an absence of remarks about women misogynistic? If a woman is capable of having courage, it does not make it less manly for a man to have courage. You are looking ridiculous here. I find the conclusion of your comment to be ironic.
Ad hominem attacks shows you do not know how to debate in a fair way. Is it bad behavior? Bad behavior is a moral judgement on an action. Since we do not know people’s intentions from reading their comments here and since we are anonymous, meaning that we don’t really know a whole lot about commenters’ character and personality in order to judge their intentions, that kind of moral judgement is impossible to make here.
However, bragging online about inflicting physical harm on another person (much worse to a priest) and then for another person online to encourage that kind of action, is more than bad behavior. It’s criminal.
In the predicament you’ve placed yourself in, you inadvertently made yourself sound misogynistic. You dug a little hole for yourself when you seemed to encourage physical violence towards a priest, Fr. Reese. But in the process of trying to get yourself out of that little hole, you dug for yourself a deeper pit. You tried unconvincingly to explain that all you meant by the phrase “spoken like a real man” was to encourage truth-telling. That phrase is not typically employed for that context. Your explanation was a ruse, a fake to get yourself out. We can understand what you’re trying to do here. You could have just stayed silent as bohemond told you but you ignored it. I am not the only one who finds your explanation implausible. Somebody described your explanation as contrived. I agree with that. You’re wrong about me. I love my husband and grown sons. Their masculinity is not toxic.
And Father Reese, I forgive and for all the others who confused the beep out of me when I was trying to learn the Catholic Faith.
Sadly, many debaucherous queens will be celebrating more than New Year’s Eve tonight. Despicable. With Benedict departed, even though he was only Pope Emeritus, I fear the dam preventing evil from spreading in the church will burst, resulting in a flood of suffering for the true faithful. Gird your loins.
I only wish I were as eloquent a writer as the previous commenters, who I am in agreement with.
While a simple Catholic person, it seems to me, that the motive of Father Reese’s article is a veiled assault to defame Pope Benedict’s papacy. Benedict was our Pope and he exercised his power to protect our Church from what he saw as an assault on Church doctrines. Because it did not align with the progressive process by the Jesuit’s magazine, Reese found it necessary, at the moment of his passing, to berate a dead Pope as a “flawed individual”. He probably wrote this article years ago so he could attack Pope Benedict at a time when his standing was being praised. How sad, but telling of a Jesuit spokesman. He didn’t even offer a request to pray for the repose of his soul.
St. Nicholas: whatever you smacked Arius with – can I borrow it?
Never happened.
Love that story! In 325 A.D., the Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicea, the very first ecumenical council, to debate the nature of the Holy Trinity. 300 bishops came from all over the Christian world. Arius, from Egypt, stated his belief that Jesus was not equal to God the Father. St. Nicholas lost his self-control, and slapped Arius across the face. The bishops were upset, and brought St. Nicholas to the Emperor Constantine, who told them to decide what to do about this situation. The bishops decided to strip St. Nicholas of his bishop’s robes, and threw him in jail. But during the night, St. Nicholas had a vision of Jesus amd Mary, who were pleased with him. Jesus gave him a Book of the Gospels, and Mary gave him an omophorion (an Eastern Orthodox traditional vestment of a bishop, similar to the pallium, in the Western Church)– so he could again be dressed as a bishop. In the morning, when the jailers came, they found St. Nicholas with his chains broken, dressed in bishop’s obes, reading the Book of the Gospels. They brought him to the Emperor Constantine, and he then was reinstated in the Council, and reinstated as Bishop of Myra. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity was fully accepted, and the Nicene Creed was written.
Forgive him for what? For contributing to and clarifying Christian morality?
How magnanimous of him.
Speaking ill of the dead (among other things).
Rev. Reese should be grateful that Pope Benedict, as noted a holy man, will forgive him for his inappropriate most public remarks.
The Church owes Pope Benedict a debt of gratitude for his service.
Rest in peace, Holy Father.
The article was written in February 2022 so he was not speaking ill of the dead.
Does that make what he said any better or excusable?
I stand corrected on that point (only). Thank you.
What I heard from some who met him, Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict XVI was a very gentle man and kind.
He loved stray cats.
He did his job as prefect for Congregation for the Doctrine of the Church. He did his job and did it well.
When he got to be Pope, he pardoned the SSPX bishops when they had not repented. He was hoping they would return to the Church.
He did what he could.
He was considered a liberal theologian at one point.
Fr. Reese is incorrect when he said that Cardinal Ratzinger only tolerated one opinion (the Vatican’s opinion) in Catholic academia and the Catholic press. The truth is that there are a plethora of theologies within Catholic orthodoxy. There are also a plethora of theologies that are substandard, heterodox, or verging on heterodoxy.
I don’t know of any Catholic theologians who were orthodox, who deviated from the Vatican’s one opinion, and who were receiving warnings from the Vatican during Ratzinger’s time at CDF. I suspect that Fr. Reese’s associates were actually dealing in ideas that were either heterodox or verging on heterodoxy.
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/07/29/remembering-michael-buckley-sj
David Hollenbach, SJ: Hollenbach, an outspoken critic of Ex Corde Ecclesiae was barred by the Vatican from serving as an administrator or member of pontifical faculties at the nation’s two Jesuit theology schools.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7303
Michael J. Buckley-women priests according to this https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/07/29/remembering-michael-buckley-sj
Pathetic Jesuitical whining
Oh Mommie ! Such a dilemma – – frustrated in his attempts to override the margins of Catholic teaching through his venues, such as the American magazine
through the presentation of debates, interviews, book reviews, and opinions
by his intelligentsia heterodox compadres.
Having swept aside the vows of poverty and obedience, the next target is chastity.
and other inconveniences.
He would dismiss Catholicism and subscribe to a liberal protestant observance
but separation from the Church would mean the loss of his comfortable Catholic niche,
so he wants to nudge the Catholic Church over with him.
That is not what he is saying.
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, himself a theologian, stood up for some theologians that I as a layperson and confused Catholic thought should be reigned in. I did not understand at that time that they do not have to represent the Church.
But there are boundaries that a theologian cannot cross and not everybody agrees on the boundaries.
Theologians write for other theologians but as they tried to sell more books and laypeople started reading their writings and getting confused, there had to be more effort to clarify or tell theologians to cease publication of a book or demote them from positions in university.
Very simple solution: go back to the days of the imprimatur and nihil obstat. Adults can decide for themselves whether an reticle or book that doesn’t have one is worth reading.
theologians wrote: “I did not understand at that time that they do not have to represent the Church.”
“Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, himself a theologian, stood up for some theologians that I as a layperson and confused Catholic thought should be reigned in”
What theologians, and their books & articles are you saying were supported by Pope Benedict XVI but “should have been reigned in” ?
Hans Kung comes to mind. Other people at the time that probably were not theologians were some of the social justice and morality questioning people.
I cannot remember names but there was a former priest at Marquette who actually was teaching that birth control and abortion could be moral.
Bishop Gumbleton, maybe?
The whole decade before the Catechism release and maybe longer (I don’t know I was not in the Church at the time) was marked by people thinking whatever they wanted (it came to be called cafeteria catholicism).
There were programs like RENEW where people at church got together and you would hear things there. I am sure that they gave names but I did not know who was who. I did not even know if the Pope was trustworthy.
I remember the bishop’s council criticizing some authors. There was weird Bible scholorship too. It was a mess.
Fr. Reese, a false Catholic, anti-Christian, and a false priest. Why was he not kicked out and laicized years ago, along with tons of other false Catholic, anti-Christian Jesuits? Why wasn’t America magazine shut down and censored? The post-Conciliar Jesuit order has done extreme harm to the Catholic Church and to the world. Many of them turned against Our Lord right after Vatican II. In the late 1960s, I asked several prominent Jesuits why all of this evil was taking place, in their once- respected order. I was told that it was because their order could not function after Vatican II. Their schools were now in a state of great peril. No one in the modern and post-Conciliar world would want them. They would either have to change, and appeal to current deviant, secular interests, and discard many traditional Catholic teachings – or else starve, and all their schools would go bankrupt. I was told this several more times, throughout the years, even by Jesuit college presidents. It was a matter of dirty money. These particular Jesuits were highly-educated, immoral (amoral, non-religious) clerical morons– ambitious, worldly businessmen– faithless to Christ, to begin with. And the rest, who really were heretical and immoral– like Reese and Fr. James Martin– are faithless, Godless freaks in the priesthood, tolerated due to Vatican II.
Why he was not kicked out? Because the Church does not do that.
He is complaining because they were censored or pressured into self-censoring.
Why don’t shut down webistes? Because they don’t do that.
That is not how the Catholic Church works.
Even in the old days of banned books, they could not stop the publication of them, just told Catholics not to read it.
just last August Fr Reese called for the excommunication of climate-change skeptics and vaccine deniers
Love to see a link for that article. I’d like to share it. Happen to have it on hand?
asdf, i see’ me’ below found the article. but if you read it he is not being facetious. he wishes excommunication be be used as a tool. this is a priority of the seamless garment set.
I do not think he is wanting to excommunicate people. He is just saying that. But he should not have.
He is having some issues.
This is the danger of being a writer.
Proverbs 10:19
I found by googling. He was being facetious.
Trigger warning:
https://www.ncronline.org/earthbeat/justice/covid-19-global-warming-and-diminishing-catholic-guilt
The chamber pot calling the chalice scat.
If he is telling the truth Reese was experiencing what a lot of us are experiencing today from the Leftist gangs. I was reprimanded for writing the history of the Siege of Venice by an Auxiliary Bishop in my diocese. I was transferred out of a parish for criticizing a pastor who gave out Jelly Beans instead of Holy Communion at Mass. Thanks be to God my Ordinary was not one of those nuts. His successor is not either. Perhaps Reese felt uncomfortable. I’ve never heard of him so I don’t know if he is in line with Church teaching or not. I certainly hope he is. If not, then certainly he should not be teaching and writing in the name of the Church.
You seem to be the only one who has actually had an experience with Jelly Beans at Mass. What happened?
Hey, Reece!
Thanks for nuthin’.
Rev. Reese, it’s a free country, start a “church” of you own (if you don’t like the Catholic Faith). It’s not that difficult. First Church of Thomas the Skeptic might be a good name. “There’s no wrong way to live a Reese’s?” Or, more recently, “Not sorry.” Maybe, “Two great faiths that taste great together.” Or, even Reese’s peace. I got a lot of followers, so might you.
Well, no faithful Catholic would tell another Catholic to start their own church.
Reese: I will do my best to consider forgiving you and your ilk for all the damage you have done to many who have sought to practice the Truth of the Catholic faith.
Fr. Reese:
When you work for a company, you work FOR the company. You don’t invite competitors into the company who will try to destroy your product and services, even if your product and services are bullet-proof. You don’t give your enemies equal time to sow seeds of doubt on the integrity of your product and services at the risk of losing your customers.
“America” is/was a CATHOLIC magazine published by the Jesuits, who are under the auspices of the One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, headquartered in the Vatican. The Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ, the boss at the very top, who gave the Church the keys to bind or lose issues and people concerning His teachings.
And don’t you engage in “whataboutism.” It’s a losing argument. People who criticize Pope Francis are private individuals, not employees of the Jesuits or the Church. Their opinions are their own; they do not travel as widely as yours. They don’t have the same responsibilities as regards disseminating information as you did as a priest engaged in Church media. If you want to publicize your own opinions about church teachings, go found your own independent publication away from the Church. (Oh, I forgot – you do write for the Fishwrap, don’t you?)
There are other Jesuits, wiser and more distinguished that you, who have no problems working for the Church. You can’t say you’re smarter than they are. Fr. Joseph Fessio, who runs a book publishing operation, and Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN come to mind. You are nowhere near them in stature, come on! When asked about controversial Jesuits, such as Pope Francis or the late Malachi Martin, all Fr. Mitch would say was, “I’m in sales, not management.” That should be your stance, too. It does not hurt Fr. Mitch’s reputation. We know he’s not dumb.
And what were you supposed to forgive the late Pope Benedict XVI for? Because he hurt your feelings?
Aw, grow up and start reading Sts. Ignatius, Francis X, and Padre Faura. You may yet learn how to be a good Jesuit, before it’s too late.
I have read your comment and have been edified by your comment. Thank you for writing here. I consider you to be much more talented than me as far as commenting here is concerned.
I hold no grudge against Fr. Reese even though he harmed me, by confusion when I was trying to learn the faith.
But it probably made me reach deeper and longer to understand Catholic truth which the Lord always brought to me.
So like Joseph, whatever he intended, the Lord intended good.
Whatever happens, even the worse things, yes, even crimes and mortal sin, the Lord has a good purpose in allowing it.
Have faith in God.
Pray for this poor priest’s soul.
The devil attacks them harder than us.
Ironically it was a “progressive” priest who helped me the most.
He said something (I no longer remember what) and I said to him “You say this. The Church says this. How do I know who to believe?”
He said to me “You will never go wrong believing the Church.”