The following comes from a July 23 story on the Christian Post website.
San Diego County’s clerk, Ernest “Ernie” Dronenburg, is requesting a temporary stay from distributing same-sex marriage licenses while the court considers his legal petition, filed earlier this month that seeks clarification in the federal Supreme Court’s June ruling regarding the state’s Proposition 8.
In June, the United States Supreme Court voted 5-4 to uphold a previous 2010 ruling in the case of Hollingsworth v. Perry, in which United States District Court Judge Vaughn Walker overturned Proposition 8, a 2008 California voter-approved amendment that upheld the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman.
Dronenburg told the San Diego Union-Tribune that his legal petition is requesting the state ban county clerks from administering marriage licenses to same-sex couples until they clarify the legal standing of Proposition 8.
“All I’m really searching for is clarity and finality,” Dronenburg told the local newspaper.
“If they answer, it will be over and we’ll have a final decision. And if they don’t, those issues can be brought up in the future,” Dronenburg added.
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In his legal petition, Dronenburg seeks clarification on how and why the Supreme Court’s ruling affects Proposition 8 on a state level, when the Supreme Court did not address the constitutionality of Proposition 8, but rather upheld a previous ruling.
Additionally, Dronenburg seeks to clarify if county clerks are able to work independently of state officials, including California’s Attorney General Kamala Harris and Gov. Jerry Brown.
Dronenburg argues that because county clerks are elected by voters [Dronenburg was elected two years ago], state law limits officials from controlling a clerk’s distribution of marriage licenses. Therefore, Dronenburg argues that a county clerk should maintain the right to independently decide who may receive a marriage license.
In his legal brief, Dronenburg states that he is “suffering, and will continue to suffer, irreparable injury and damage” unless he receives an injunction from distributing marriage licenses.
As Sandra Banaga from the San Diego County clerk’s office told NBC San Diego, 19 other counties have reportedly filed a petition seeking clarity on the legal standing of Proposition 8, and have also requested a temporary stay from issuing same-sex marriage licenses.
County Chairman Greg Cox issued a statement Friday announcing that Dronenburg filed his legal petition independently of the county’s Board of Supervisors and other county officials.
“The county’s position is and always has been that we, the county, will follow applicable law with regards to same-sex marriage,” Cox added, as reported by KFMB-TV.
Additionally, Attorney General Kamala D. Harris issued a statement arguing that all 58 counties in California are required to abide by the Supreme Court’s ruling regarding Proposition 8.
“The filing offers no new arguments that could deny same-sex couples their constitutionally protected civil rights. The federal injunction is still in effect, and it requires all 58 counties to perform same-sex marriages. No exceptions,” Harris said in the statement posted on her Twitter.
To read the original story, click here.
Hysterical!
One court says that nobody in the State of California has the “standing” to defend the State Constitution (when its constitutional officers refuse their legal duty) because there will be no harm if applied to them.
Now it is claimed that the order of another court, impacting only the plaintiffs in that case, BY RIGHT OF STANDING, is somehow to be applied to everyone else not a party to that case.
Hysterical, in the non-humorous version of the word.
Is Dronenberg the last official of legal reason in California?
Well, you are factually wrong, “lawstuff”. The Governor and Attorney General were defendants, and they are enjoined from enforcing Prop 8 because it violated the equal protection guaranteed all citizens, not just the plaintiffs.
Wow Fellow, my wife and I (and millions of other married couples in California) chuckled at your “factual” assertion that “Prop 8” violated our “equal protection” rights and those of “all citizens.” Like the kids say these days, l.o.l.
Mentally you have your shoes on the wrong feet bro (or maybe two of the same on both feet).
WEll, lawstuff, that’s exactly what the court found. Did you read the opinion of the Judge?
Sure did.
And the case had neither the Governor nor the Attorney General as the eventual Defendant as you also claim.
Fellow, do yourself a favor and cut out the middle-man. You are arguing with your own conscience…can you not see how you are using others as a mechanism to do that? Go right to your conscience instead and talk to it.
Fellow Peace. May God bless you; mind, body, and soul.
So YFC you now make it even clearer who your real god is, the Courts, and the maybe elected “Officials”!
May God have mercy on your sodomite soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
lawstuff good comments!
Mr. Fisher you correct….if only they would reflect, that a court can either go with or go against God by it’s decision to morality and what is best for the common good will of men. Too bad that their focus is on something so secular and never deep…..maybe the only deep thing is something broken.
A friend just sent me this quote. I haven’t checked it out on fact check.
This ought to bring out the anger in every American vet. Love the quote from Burt of the Los Angeles Times. I would hope this would turn a few liberals around.
Quote of the day by Dianne Feinstein
Dianne Feinstein: “All vets are mentally ill and government should prevent them from owning firearms” Yep, – she really said it on Thursday in a meeting in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. .
and the quote below from the LA Times is priceless. Sometimes even the L.A. Times gets it right.
Kurt Nimmo: “Senator Feinstein insults all U.S. Veterans as she flays about in a vain attempt to save her bill.”
Quote of the Day from the Los Angeles Times:
“Frankly, I don’t know what it is about California, but we seem to have a strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to high office. I’m not bragging, you understand, but no other state, including Maine, even comes close. When it comes to sending left-wing dingbats to Washington, we’re Number One. There’s no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a cauldron when the curtain went up on ‘Macbeth’.
The four of them are like jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab. You don’t know if you should condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form words.”
— Columnist Burt Prelutsky,
Los Angeles Times
it its true than it’s sick …Diane F was always known for being very liberal so it won’t be a surprise Dana if she really said that.
Aye…this man seeks clarification…stonewall them as much as possible…fight it and send it back to federal court…it will be overturned…it is and always will be a state’s rights issue…this is only a minor setback…
It is a states rights issue, but states are bound by the US Constitution. They may make any laws regulating marriage so long as those laws are not federally unconstitutional, as Prop 8 was.
NO matter what laws are burdened upon us, understand what God has given to us through the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony; not as a Constitutional right. It’s not about how others choose to live or the money involved , it’s about defending the sanctity of life. Marriage is life for the family. ONE man and ONE woman….make no issue of God’s law. Prop 8 defends the sanctity of marriage. May God have mercy upon us!
All4Him, please remember we are only discussing civil marriage licenses, not the Sacrament of Matrimony.
There is no fog except in the mind of this clerk. Prop 8 is dead. Marriages continue for all the citizens of California. The US Supreme Court was very clear that the Governor and officers of California are enjoined from enforcing the ban on issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples. What part of “unconstitutional” does Ernie not get?
YFC, STOP Your BIGOTED ASSAULT On Marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Tracy….
Tracy please see my response to your incorrect accusation that I am a bigot and that I am assaulting marriage at July 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Oh Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. And pray for those who do not have recourse to thee especially the enemies of the Church!
YFC, explain how you define yourself as a Catholic and yet oppose all Catholic bishops when they forbid gay marriage as a legal issue?
Skai, you and Kenneth Fisher speak out more against the bishops than any posters here.
PA, we speak out forcefully against BAD bishops, not bishops in general. No wonder your history lessons leave a lot to be desired such as reality … you simply cannot read well, and instead you make up your own strawman and call it someone else’s blog.
Pa you are not honest….it is only on the heretical and dishonest actions of some Bishops that any reasonable good faithful Catholic should speak out and help correct what could be serious scandal on people’s salvation. Please stop feeding garbage to others so you can discredit the good works of a few.
PA, with all due respect but if you and the pro-gay rights folks that keep commenting here would stop dissenting on the truth about homosexuality, you wouldn’t keep persecuting what is good. This is getting old here and I haven’t had the patience to waste more time reading your same tactics over and over again. You truly are in dissent, you and YFC who is now a regular here too. I am getting sick of your attacks on good men like Mr, Fisher and Skai.
I pray they never give up, your tactics won’t intimidate good men like them.
Well, Skai, I don’t really have to answer to you, but if you want me to explain it to you, you should start the ball rolling by explaining how you consider yourself Catholic yet you oppose the clear teaching of the magisterium about how homosexual persons are to be treated by members of the Church.
The Aggressively Anti-Cathoolic Troll ‘yfc’ should be removed from this system due to conscious and willful Misrepresentation of the Magisterium and teachings of the Church and Popes.
It is one thing to have an honest disagreement about the ‘facts’ – but yfc takes it beyond arguing about admitted facts – and simply disregards those inconvenient to the mission of Mau Mauing the Church – and proceeds to write as if actually explaining Church positions.
This dishonesty is similar to a surgeon proudly informing the family that ‘the operation was a success’ – and omitting to mention that the patient died. The most important information is censored, and the tangental given center stage to divert attention from un-good subjects.
By this Anti-Catholic ‘logic’ – when Jesus sat down with sinners / prostitutes / thieves – it was not to beguile them in to Acknowledging their Sins and Repenting…
Nah -in the ‘yfc’ world Jesus was setting up his own ‘party posse’ and wanted make sure he had a diverse set of fun friends as Examples of how to enjoy good times.
The following is an excerpt (and link to the whole) from the Vatican Website that shows how hollow the lies of ‘yfc’ in Misrepresenting the Truth of the Church are – And what that Truth Is
(*not the Klinton kind of is, either)
“Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons
…Explicit treatment of the problem was given in this Congregation’s “Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics” of December 29, 1975. That document stressed the duty of trying to understand the homosexual condition and noted that culpability for homosexual acts should only be judged with prudence.
At the same time the Congregation took note of the distinction commonly drawn between the homosexual condition or tendency and individual homosexual actions. These were described as deprived of their essential and indispensable finality, as being “intrinsically disordered”, and able in no case to be approved of (cf. n. 8, $4).
In the discussion which followed the publication of the Declaration, however, an overly benign interpretation was given to the homosexual condition itself, some going so far as to call it neutral, or even good.
Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.
Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not.
4. An essential dimension of authentic pastoral care is the identification of causes of confusion regarding the Church’s teaching. One is a new exegesis of Sacred Scripture which claims variously that Scripture has nothing to say on the subject of homosexuality, or that it somehow tacitly approves of it, or that all of its moral injunctions are so culture-bound that they are no longer applicable to contemporary life.
These views are gravely erroneous and call for particular attention here…
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
Michael you are so quick to kick me out of this website, out of this Church, and call me names you forget to mention where I have spoken against these very precepts you quote. I keep repeating that homosexuality is not a sin. You just quoted one of the passages from the teachings of the Church that proves me correct. It does not prove me incorrect. Your passage even goes further than I have gone in saying that culpability must be judged with prudence. I agree with that, but you and most CCD commenters apparently do not, as you are willing to judge without even so much as a gathering of the facts.
YFC, here you go again, trying to slide in the false idea that homosexuality is Magisterially protected. You avoided proving this many times before, and now you figure you can slip it in. Where do you learn your moves, YFC, in a bath house, the rectory? Where?
So called YFC,
Ernie gets the part where God says “thou shalt not” but apparently you want to tell God how to run things!
May God have mercy on your soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Michael McDermott I agree with you. They are part of the problem here…God bless you.
I had submitted Amicus Briefs to both the CA Supreme & Federal District courts, and followed up with letters after the trial.
In my letter to the Federal Court (Judge Ware, after ‘Von Walker’s Retirement) written after the trial, I stated that having witnessed the final day of testimony in person, to call the legal proceedings in ‘Von-Walker’s Court (including a serious level of Audience Participation) – ‘Circus Like’ – would be an insult to the professionalism of Circus workers.
I assert that Proposition 8 is Still Valid CA Law, and until someone Overturns the State Constitution, it shall remain so.
This is Particularly true given the Blackmail of Governot ‘Der Arnold over his ‘secret’ Extra Son was a deliberate act of Gaystapo Sabotage – and should be the object of a ‘Qui Tam’ suit – if not Federal Civil Rights investigation – as to the collusive conspiracy to disenfranchise the Citizens by said Gaystapo.
SEE:
The Legal Circus That Killed Proposition 8 – by Frank Schubert
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10603/
…The process that killed Prop 8 in California should concern anyone who cares about democracy and the rule of law. The cheaters won…
= The legal wrangling over Proposition 8 has reminded me of a Big Time Wrestling match. It’s something I’ve followed with more than a passing interest, since I managed the campaign that enacted the constitutional amendment. Watching Prop 8 careen through the federal court system left me feeling frustrated and sometimes incensed that the system itself seemed so staged, and appeared to be so corrupt.
But I felt, like I did as a kid, that somehow, some way the initiative adopted by over seven million California voters would escape the grasp of slick-talking lawyers and self-interested judges and politicians and emerge victorious—living to fight another day.
A rematch, if you will. Alas, it now sadly appears that absent some last minute legal ruling this initiative—and with it a good chunk of the initiative process itself—is dead.
Regardless of whether you see voters defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman as the “good guy” or the “bad guy” in this political drama, the process that killed marriage in California should greatly concern anyone who cares even remotely about democracy and the rule of law.
Judges, Politicians, and Prop 8 Opponents Ignored the Rules
The Prop 8 challenge landed in the San Francisco federal courtroom of Vaughn Walker. We’re supposed to accept that this happened randomly, and that the plaintiffs weren’t tipped off by someone in the court system to file the case at a particular time when Judge Walker happened to be the one who’d get it.
Whether by accident or grand design, it was a fortunate assignment for the plaintiffs. Walker was a judge in a long-term committed relationship with another man—
-in other words, he was in exactly the type of relationship as the plaintiffs who were bringing suit. Walker never disclosed this critical fact to Prop 8 supporters, or to the public, despite judicial rules requiring such disclosure if even the appearance of impropriety was present…
– Time and again during the trial Walker issued rulings widely favoring the challengers of Prop 8. Twice his rulings were overturned through emergency appeals—once by the US Supreme Court on the eve of trial—something that is virtually unheard of at the district court level.
To nobody’s surprise, Walker ruled that Prop 8—which reflected a point of view on the definition of marriage that until five years before its adoption had been held in every single state in the nation, and virtually every other country since the dawn of time—violated the Fourteenth Amendment and was thus illegal under the US Constitution.
Next the case headed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, where it became the province of a panel including Stephen Reinhardt, senior judge of the circuit and widely considered to be one of the most liberal (and most overturned) judges in America. I frankly never expected much relief out of what many conservatives ruefully refer to as the “Ninth Circus.” But even I was surprised by the chicanery involved in Reinhardt’s handling of the case.
It turns out that his wife, an attorney with the ACLU, had advised the plaintiffs’ lawyers on strategy before this very case was even filed! Reinhardt refused to recuse himself from deciding the case his wife had participated in, and went on to write a majority opinion finding that Prop 8 was unconstitutional.
But not even Stephen Reinhardt could go along with the reasoning of Judge Walker; instead he invented a whole new legal rationale to get the result he—and his wife—so badly wanted…
I have to admit to extreme disappointment and more than a little bitterness when I read the decisions in the two cases. The Court invalidated the federal law and then refused to decide the merits of Prop 8’s constitutionality, instead punting and using “standing” as their way out.
The Cheaters Won..
I feel like the rule of law has been shredded, and conniving politicians have been rewarded for ignoring their sworn oath of office.
Public confidence in the judicial system has been dealt a severe blow…. The seeds of that action will have been sown by leftist politicians like Brown, Harris, and Schwarzenegger…
Now those very people in power—the governor and attorney general—have been given a pocket veto over the initiative process itself. They can invalidate any measure they don’t personally support simply by refusing to defend it in federal court.
Such power was never contemplated by the framers of the constitution, or by the people of California, but that is the practical result of the Supreme Court’s ruling on Prop 8. Again—it is marriage today, but tomorrow it could be any other issue on the political spectrum.
I feel a measure of sadness for all the people who worked so hard for something they believed so passionately—a belief shared by millions of people. Campaigns are about ideas and laws, certainly, but they involve real people.
So I think about people like Scott Eckern, a distinguished musical producer, who was forced to resign from the California Musical Theater in Sacramento over his $1,000 contribution in support of Prop 8. I think about Marjorie Christofferson, a then-67-year-old employee at her family-owned Mexican restaurant in Los Angeles, who was forced to take a leave from the business over donating a mere $100 to our campaign.
I think about the 80,000 people just like them—moms and dads, retirees, students, husbands and wives—who gave generously of their financial resources to allow us to mount a winning campaign.
I think about all the pastors, priests, bishops, rabbis, imams, and other religious leaders who put their religious differences aside to work together in support of the eternal truth about marriage—that it is a covenant between one man and one woman, modeled after God’s own covenant with us.
And I think about the 250,000 volunteers in our campaign who walked precincts, knocked on doors, and manned phone banks, including Jose Nunez, a proud immigrant and newly sworn-in US citizen, who was physically assaulted by a Prop 8 opponent while waiting to distribute signs outside his Catholic church.
All of these people paid a tremendous price. They, and the voters, deserved better than to be left undefended before the legal system, abandoned by those sworn to defend them, ignored by judges determined to impose a particular result, and then orphaned by the Supreme Court as the great referee pretended not to see all the nefarious activity going on with the case right in front of them.
The decisions worry me. I am actually less worried about the damage done to the institution of marriage than I am about the damage done to the body politic.
Marriage is an eternal truth, and a profound good. Its value to society is inestimable. No government, judge, or politician has the power to change the inherent nature of marriage. In the end, the truth of marriage will prevail, even if the law decides to abandon it for a time.
Democracy, on the other hand, is not nearly so stable.
Preserving it depends upon the integrity of our institutions, which are charged with specific functions to serve the interests of the body politic.
Legislatures and voters pass laws they believe will benefit society; executives must fairly administer and defend those laws; and courts must impartially interpret the laws. When the votes of millions of people are ignored by the elites in government, when politicians can ignore their oath of office and assume for themselves extra-constitutional authority, when judges can ignore their own internal conflicts and impose their own political views on an issue in direct contravention of the expressed desires of the people, and when the Supreme Court can turn a blind eye to the matter and let the politicians and judges get away with it, public confidence in government is seriously, and perhaps permanently, eroded….”
Frank Schubert is president of Mission Public Affairs, LLC and was Campaign Manager of the successful Proposition 8 campaign in California. He has twice been named the nation’s top public affairs professional by the American Association of Political Consultants.
Well, Mister McDermott, I witnessed the ENTIRE trial except for the opening arguments (though watched reenactments of same in two different renditions). The trial can only be called a circus in so far as the Judge asked for and got a trial of the facts as well as the law, and the only facts that came to light favored the same sex marriage side. YOUR OWN WITNESS said, under oath, that America would be more American the day it allowed same sex marriages. He has since come out fully in favor of same sex marriage.
All that business of the supposed bias of the Judge has been litigated up and down the system, and No One agrees with you. At least no one who has a seat on the bench. And one of the judges that voted against you on the bias issue voted with you on the merits. So you get no sympathy from anyone who actually watched the proceedings or who read the transcripts. The claims of bias by the judges are so far off the mark that judges of all political leanings dismiss them without a second thought.
I am sorry that you take the position that any sore lose would take, that the cheaters won. You have no real claim to make in that regard, but at least you admit to your bitterness.
Our Church would do well to focus on the 96% of people who are not involved in the same sex marriage license issue, to support straight lay people in their vocation, to help them and teach them the joys of a lifetime of love and commitment that marriage entails, and, in the context of Sacramental Matrimony, the Spiritual benefits that ensue.
The Anti-Cathoilc Troll ‘yfc’ has No Credibility for any assertions about the Trial or the Pogrom – while hiding behind an ‘anonymous’ handle. However, one can easily tell that ‘yfc’ is a very Aggressive Radical Homosex Troll – from intense involvement and partisan Misandry spewed here.
While I will provide an analysis for the valid posters here shortly, it is worth noting one point in particular about the Sham proceedings – that the People were actually Represented by the Defendants.
Von-Wanker used his power to Cherry Pick the Opponents – and Disqualified others who would have provided Very Credible Witnesses and evidentiary support – had they been allowed as parties. However, given the heavy questions about Insider ‘tweaking’ of the process raised by Frank Shubert and others (see The Legal Circus That Killed Proposition 8 – by Frank Schubert https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10603/ ).
Hence – by controlling Standing and Opponents (limiting such to those who would make Stipulations to Von-Wankers Agenda, that other Opponents would Fully Litigate), the system was corrupted before, during and after the show – kind of like ‘yfc’s blather.
However – as long as yfc remains hidden in the kloset – we will never know where the obnoxious Anti-Catholic Troll got those bogus ideas.
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Howie Mintz Words.
The ‘reporter’ Howard Mintz who wrote the article about Proposition 8 & Judge Walker displayed the Extreme Partisan Bias of ‘our’ bought and paid for ‘free press’ that pervades his propaganda piece like fluoride in the water. Particularly Non-Notworthy is any reference to the fact that ‘judge’ Walker CHOSE HIS OPPONENTS for the case to prejudice the outcome.
Because the lamesteam media Refuses to Report on the BLACKMAIL of Schwarzenegger while in Office over his ‘Open Secret’ Child – Known to the Radical Homosex lobby, an important part of the story is Censored.
Likewise the discussion of the Oppositions Only Witness – Omits the fact that there were Many Other Witnesses wanting to testify – but Walker had excluded the Pro-Marriage Groups most likely to Litigate All Issues Fully – and picked one who would be easier to manipulate in to avoiding Politically Un-Good Testimony – and ‘Stipulate’ to what Walker Wanted.
The yfc ‘hidden identity’ thing is a little creepy in itself, kind of like the Censorship of the Larry Brinkin Posse in Sodom by the Sea – designed to deceive – but clumsily so:
Gay rights activist surrenders on child porn charges
By: Mike Aldax | 09/20/12 SF Examiner Staff Writer
Larry Brinkin, the veteran gay-rights activist who brought the nation’s first domestic partnership lawsuit in 1982 and now faces child pornography charges, surrendered to police Thursday, … possessing and distributing pictures of toddlers engaged in sex acts with men…
– police said, Brinkin allegedly added shocking commentary to the graphic photos, including, “I loved especially the [expletive N-Word] 2 year old getting nailed.”
Brinkin, who has a longtime partner and a teenage son, retired from the Human Rights Commission with honor in 2010. Upon his retirement, a Board of Supervisors resolution declared the first seven days of February 2010 “Larry Brinkin Week.”
In 1982, he was the first to use the phrase “domestic partner” in a lawsuit he filed against his then-employer Southern Pacific Railway. Brinkin lost the case, which city officials said “laid the foundation for marriage equality.”
As a city employee, Brinkin helped implement and enforce the landmark San Francisco Equal Benefits Ordinance of 1997, the first in the U.S. to mandate that employers provide equal coverage for domestic partners.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/2012/09/gay-rights-activist-surrenders-child-porn-charges#ixzz2MX1aXjsY
A very good analysis of the Madness behind the Method of those ‘happy’ folks attacking both the Church & Marriage, was made by Dr. Miriam Grossman, who said:
“As a physician and a parent, it really bothered me. I wanted to understand: where did this come from? How did we reach this madness?
SEE: A Brief History of Sex Ed: How We Reached Today’s Madness – by Miriam Grossman https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10408/
Dr. Grossman – looked at the history of sexual education, and – wrote a book called You’re Teaching My Child WHAT? This is what – discovered.
Modern sex ed began in the sixties. It was based on Alfred Kinsey’s model of human sexuality. Thanks to the brilliant and courageous work of Dr. Judith Reisman, we now know that Kinsey was both a fraud and a deeply disturbed individual…”
…………………
Indeed – the manner in how Table 32 was sold as ‘science’ – Provided a white lab coat and blueprint on later future sales of steroid abuse & surgical mutilation (or just a “perception”) as enough to Change Gender
– and pretended there was no need to consider such fluff stuff like ‘DNA’ – which XX & XY scientific distinction is no more politically gendered – than the anonymous genderless ‘donor material’ used by ‘co parents’ in a turkey baster creationist fable.
SEE: Alfred Kinsey » Americans for Truth
americansfortruth.com/issues/alfred-kinsey/
This Table 32 is reprinted from 20th Century sexologist Alfred Kinsey’s highly influential book, “Sexual Behavior and the Human Male.” As the table states, the …
Freud set the stage to hoodwinking humanity into believing his symbolic deceptions. Here is one more area where the holy work of Bl John Paul II brings true light.
That is utterly repellent, Michael! Will any of that information about Brinkin the pedophile ever make it to the ministry of lies/press? Perhaps we should rename the word ‘press’ obamanews & views. I will definitely be putting you and your important work on my prayer list,Michael. You are definitely taking on the enemy and they have absolutely NO scruples, morals or conscience. Is there anything they would not do? And to give these mentally and morally ill people legal rights to make inroads against our children and the very fabric of our society is madness indeed. When I think historically of similar situations in which such scaff and raff were empowered, it makes me apprehensive of our future. You are a courageous man, Michael and are witness to what real men are to be. I’m grateful for all the men who write here, such as Skai and Kenneth and Markrite and so many others. It gets so discouraging sometimes that so many are not even aware of what is taking place. The men around here are clueless! I wondered about Schwarzenegger’s caving in. All the more reason t0 live faithful lives, else we lose our credibility and authority.
PS, let me again point out that I do not direct such harsh language to people of ss attaction…especially those who live chastely or at least privately. I am speaking specifically about pedaphiles and militant ‘gay’ people who have no sympathy or respect for our Lord or Church teaching and are actively involved in forcing immorality on our culture through the courts, intimidation and coercion . My heart goes out to those who suffer or feel alienated and alone. The crosses we bear are often too heavy unless we ask the Lord to help bear our burden.
May God bless those of you in such suffering and strengthen you in your struggle to follow His Way. It’s not easy for any of us but you face the added challenge of having to let go of something that you feel is right. How do you tell someone that
suffers with anorexia nervosa that they don’t look fat, for example? And then to be surrounded by fellow sufferers who say that you aren’t skinny and that everyone else is just fat makes it all the more difficult!
Dana – let me see if I can beguile you from fruitless fruity exchanges with the anonymous troll ‘yfc-‘ – and perhaps address your concerns about ‘harsh’ language.
Myself, I do not care to use profanity or obscenity, although in articulating the full range of objections to Disordered Behaviors, I will use appropriately clinical terms, particularly following the CDC.
By contrast, I do like the occasional lemon sour pun; and it simply goes without saying that no one who knows anything about me would ever consider me in the least bit sarcastic, let alone somewhat cynical in my prose. Ahem.
However – the ability to expose hypocrisy can often be found in humor; and many more people would probably laugh at the empress of feminism’s new clothes…
– if so many of their friends hadn’t already been ‘shortened by the head’ for daring to Question, let alone laugh at the Orwellian absurdity of the Gaystapo.
Still – when you look at what is ‘permitted’ (with or without a wink) in this Age of Abomination, and what causes ‘outrage and indignation’ amongst the politically correct – it comes down to far more a matter of who is being given license to carry on – by said Gaystapo and their propaganda arm of lamesteam media stooges.
Consider – one of the vilest coprophile poufs to ever push the twysted syster of indulgence drag queen / steroid dyke agenda up the public wazoo, is the notorious former ‘Ben-Dover’ Comic ‘Tommy T.P.’ Ammiano – now in the Assembly as the evil twin of Senator Mark “Kiddie Porn King” Leno (both D-Sodom by the Sea)
Read the following excerpt and you can chase the link back to the frisco chronicle – and ask Why a ‘news’ paper that prints color pictures of Folsom Street dirty diaper bondage bear public floggings – be too squeamish to print the statement of a ‘statesman’ of such repute at ‘Tommy T.P…
. – Particularly by taking the dodge out of reporting on him by claiming that they are too much a “Family Paper” to reprint the remarks by the assembly member about the Senator.
As I recall, the gist was kind of like the Misandrist tirade by ‘doogie howsyer’ in the first ‘harold & kumar’ movie – only raunchier.
Sooo… A sense of humor is such a personal thing, but public officials who are given free passes for what would get the peasants hung have a name in our society – demicratz.
Such is the treatment of Tommy T.P. – who despite his rabid campaign agains the Catholic Church, Children, Families and anybody else tweaks his poufy ire; still gets invited to the Altar to mau mau the congregation in ostensibly ‘catholic’ (small ‘c’) Churches in some parts of Frisco??
Check out the following – and see who else could get away with this type stuff, and where – as even the Weiner Klown in NYC isn’t as far gone down the drain sump:
Leno sets one debate, Ammiano bows out – By Wyatt Buchanan, Erin Allday SF Gate – October 2, 2008
The (not so) Great Debate: Among the questions city voters will decide Nov. 4 is who should represent the city in the state Assembly and Senate.
But while the Democratic candidates – Mark Leno for the Senate and Tom Ammiano for the Assembly – are the odds-on favorites in this overwhelmingly liberal city, voters won’t get much of a chance to evaluate the alternatives…
Ammiano, however, has rejected a request from his Republican opponent, Harmeet Dhillon, for a debate…. saying, “My schedule does not permit me to participate in a debate.”
But Dhillon campaign manager Ed Sheppard noted that Ammiano, a former comic, performed at Comedy Day at Golden Gate Park on Sunday. “If he is really that busy, how does he have time for that event?” Sheppard said.
(Ammiano’s set, in case you’re wondering, included a joke about how U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s hair belongs in the movie “Planet of the Apes” and several risqué punch lines that we can’t print in a family newspaper.)
– Wyatt Buchanan
https://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Leno-sets-one-debate-Ammiano-bows-out-3267448.php
Dana – as for ‘reporting’ on such items as the Larry Brinkin Toddler Boy Racist Rape Ring – it used to happen in some of the Frisco papers, but the east bay (Singleton Syndicate / A.P. ? Media News / BANG / Trying Times…) papers completely Censor most of it, particularly the stories about the Larry Brinkin Posse.
However – that you and others Lurking Here (*you know who you are) may understand the origins and usage of certain terms, I provide a couple of links to the (much longer and far more ribald) Saga of ‘$5 Smidgen’ & the “Kiddie Porn King” Leno – which you or others may find amusing, or not:
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Migden-Leno matchup takes a nasty turn ( “Kiddie Porn King” Leno – SF Gate)
A former top aide to state Sen. Carole Migden has pulled an item tagging Assemblyman Mark Leno as the “kiddie porn king” off his personal blog, but the nastiness will linger on.
Almost as soon as Leno announced this month that he would run against Migden, a fellow San Francisco Democrat, in the June 2008 primary, all hell broke loose. Michael Colbruno, Migden’s chief of staff when she was a San Francisco supervisor and legislative director in Sacramento until 1999, posted a blog item
– bashing Leno for “defending child pornographers” and suggested that NAMBLA, the “North American Man/Boy Love Association,” would be cheering for Leno’s Senate campaign.
Colbruno wasn’t the first person to attack Leno over his 2006 bill that would have made it a misdemeanor to possess up to 24 pieces of child pornography.
But most of the other opposition came from right-wing pundits like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, conservative California Republicans and the state Republican Party, groups also upset at Leno’s support for gay marriage.
The bill, which the Legislature’s Democrats offered as an alternative to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s “Jessica’s Law” initiative, toughened penalties for sex offenders, but not as much as wanted by Schwarzenegger, California Republicans and the 5.9 million state voters who overwhelmingly approved the GOP-backed initiative last November.
Leno… said he wasn’t surprised that the campaign for Migden’s Senate seat was getting ugly early…
https://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2007/03/14/migden-leno-matchup-takes-a-nasty-turn/
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SF Chronicle Calls For Sanctions On Migden ‘Ghost Vote’
Sep 8, 2005 –
https://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Governor-s-pitch-may-not-close-the-deal-2577912.php
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“(M&R Report) And finally: For the first time in anyone’s memory, incoming state Sen. Carole Migden sent out an invite that didn’t ask for money.
It even offered free food.
The response was overwhelming, with a couple of hundred friends and supporters living it up at Moose’s bar and grill Monday night.
And the ever-blunt Migden didn’t let the crowd down, gloating that as the
– new chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, “anyone who wants $5 is going to have to come to this dyke and beg for it.”
https://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Critics-in-a-lather-over-Berkeley-workers-health-2664755.php
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MIgden is now a ‘comeback trail’ candidate for the demicrat central committee in Frisco
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Migden appointment: A surprise, even by Capitol standards
By Christine Mai-Duc | 01/06/11 https://www.capitolweekly.net/article.php?xid=zeee95vre99rvl
Dana, the Brinkin fiasco was widely reported. Did you not see that the link provided was itself from the Examiner? What does this have anything at all to do with Obama? Or are you just spinning BS as always?
YFC what a stupid thing to say…..”Or are you just spinning BS as always?”. Always really? Dana? NO WAY! You sure don’t hold good arguments. You obviously don’t agree but to say that word, always….wow! What is it that you still continue to say “always or never”. Dana has not spinned BS on here or not intentionally….your irrational comment to that is absurd.
Growing up you used that a lot…as shy as you were, blaming and manipulating…. I heard it all…saying always just to discredit someone when in reality it is not always is it? When did you begin or start to walk that road…how honest can you be with yourself and others YFC. When is it not comfortable for you to stop this game playing and start being honest, take a hard look. I bet it’s hard to do so because you managed to be comfortable with where you are now, you are in a good place of secularism but this all will end too my friend and sooner or later, you will have to have a hard look….it’s coming. For us all…will we be able to look in Jesus eye’s? Do you not know that the flesh is what we feed it…it doesn’t want to let go of those sinful temptations deep within one’s heart.
The sad reality is, that in this comfortable place you are in, this secularist thinking that does not save, it may be too late if you don’t reconsider to opening your heart to the truth. The scary thing, some homosexuals (those embracing sinful lifestyles) or more of them may be in danger of never repenting of their sins.
That is the most frightful thing for me to imagine…I trust in God’s mercy but His mercy is only for those who come to Him through a place of sanctifying grace, repenting of their sins, His mercy is only for those who seek it not under man’s own understandings but through God’s holy will, love etc etc.
Michael McDermott, you call everyone you oppose misanderists, including now, me, without so much as a single example of something that anyone could be called a hatred of men. Not one shred. Yet you feel it within your power to throw around insults as though it is candy.
You also disrespect the Judge by calling him Von Wanker. His name is Vaughn Walker. So you do a double whammy entendre by implying a German (and from your other posts, Nazi) connection by converting “vaughn” first name to “von” as part of a last name. And Walker to Wanker, demonstrating an obsession with sexual gratification that is inappropriate way to refer to a judge in good standing. You go on to convert every c to a k in order to evoke Russian and KKK sentiments.
Beyond that, you go on to make up all kinds of false charges against him for which you have absolutely NO evidence: that he picked the defendants (he did not), that he picked the witnesses (he did not), that the proceedings where a sham (they were not).
Your techniques of lying and juvenile name calling ought to be removed as unfit for a Catholic website.
And Who is it who tosses these stale cookies at the Faithful – ‘Your Fake Catholic’… Indeed.
If yfc hasn’t the gravitas to Come Out from Hiding behind this cloak of ‘anonymous’ critic – I say there is nothing worth reading from a cheap troll who is too craven to self identify.
Wanna throw rocks from your glass porch muffy – then Tell Us Who is doing it – Or slink off back to your kloset and shut the door.
Michael I’m not throwing rocks. I’m simply showing how you attempt to deceive through lies and sixth grade implications. It matters not whether I provide a name or not. You provide a set of lies then don’t even so much as attempt to defend them when your arguments are shown for what they are.
Whoever the Anonymous Troll passing as ‘yfc’ (your fake Catholic) Is ( and not the klinton kind of is, either)…
Please stop addressing me by my name, as you are too craven to provide your own to back up your words, and the presumption of familiarity while pushing a one sided Troll ‘exchange’ – is simply another form of Alinskyite Degradation.
Kindly Cease the Pretense – Either or Both.
YFC, would you explain or teach us why it is that homosexuals crave to be the subject of abusive language?
Michael McDermott, it’s too bad you’ve been caught at your own game and you pretend to be above it all: You attempt to smear your opposition, not with facts, but with childish name calling. You call a Republican appointed Chief Judge for the Federal District, not by his given name, Vaughn Walker, but by your made up name Von Wanker. Vaughn, a Whelsh given name, you convert into “von”, to imply a German heritage. And we all know that you have attempted to falsely accuse gay people of being behind the Nazi regime and neo-Nazi emergence. Thus, you have to pretend and create the allusion that the Anglo ‘Vaughn’ is the Germanic “von” in order to feed into your absurd Nazi delusions.
Then you go further, converting the very plainly English “Walker” into the sexually obsessive smear “Wanker”.
Where do you get this stuff, you an officer of the Court? And a self proclaimed Catholic Christian?
Skai he won’t…..any discomfort for him to reflect is what he avoids.
Michael McDermottis a true gentleman and his actions and words here are noble…which the homosexual activist truly are envy about!
so called YFC,
Try those sick arguments before the Judge of all judges on the day of your judgment!
If you have any straight friends who own businesses and want to be real Catholics, will you celebrate when your courts throw them to the wolves as they have already done with other Catholics who would not pay Caesar?
May God have mercy on your soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr Fisher I agree.
I have to say I really enjoyed reading Michael McDermott comments….pretty good!
From: “The Naked Communist”, by W. Cleon Skousen, Ninth Edition July 1961, Chapter XII, “The Future Task”.
#15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
#16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
#21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
#22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
#23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
#25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
#26. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
#29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis.
#32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
#36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
#37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
#40 Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
That’s right, Tracy. We’ve discussed that very book here before, and with all the information coming out of secret Russian files that have been released it’s bearing it all out and is not some paranoid fantasy. There are still many of these communists actively involved in government and universities across the country. I came across a youtube video who name names etc. but I’ved forgotten his name. He ‘s a Californian living in Berkely or did at one time. That Frank Davis, who was an active, card carrying communist and a mentor to you-know-who and friends with his grandfather, and mentioned in his autobiography, in a more normal world would give people pause.
Dana, referring to Barry Frank Davis Jr Sotero?
heh heh..well, you’re getting warm.
Look beyond the veil. Seek to purify your heart from all things of earth. God alone.
Earth is not evil, prudence. You’re drumming up an old and widespread heresy, explained clearly by St Augustine, Doctor of the Church. Pentecost already happened, and you can come out into the sunlight now.
Skai ya I recall reading something about that….good catching that…
“From: “The Naked Communist”, by W. Cleon Skousen, Ninth Edition July 1961, Chapter XII, “The Future Task”.” Well, I didn’t read this but, in my younger days, I did try out a “Black Russian” a few times and survived the drive home.
Here he or she goes again, YFC, in all his or her insufferable legal positivism on steroids: GIVE THE HOMOS WHAT THEY WANT, WHICH in all their delusionality is, “GAY” MARRIAGE” (reallly an OXYMORON) AND GIVE IT NOW! Really, YFC? Not so fast. Maybe it’s really NOT “legal.” And Ernie wants “clarification”. Why not have the corrupt state of Califsodomia then CLARIFY the whole shooting match? Too much trouble for all the sodomites in this state to have to take? Aw, after all, they’ve been treated so MEANLY for their whole homo existence. Why should so aggrieved against people have to wait for their “right” to do anything? Maybe they even have more “rights” than hetero’s do, and somewhere in the penumbras of either the U.S. Constitution or the Califsodomia constitution those “rights” may be fortuitisly found. Zounds, Maybe so. But until then apparently all bets may be off. In the meantime, YFC, how’re those classes @ Narth going? Learn anything? GOD BLESS ALL, including YFC, MARKRITE
Dear Markrite: As you well know, gay people do not enjoy more rights than straight people do. This is laughable on its face. In most states, gay people can be fired just for being gay. Until last month, the partner of a citizen could be deported if he lost his job and therefore his visa or his schooling ran out. Until a few years ago, gay people were unable to serve in the military and even today are not entitled to equal benefits.
This clerk got the clarification he desired from his superiors in the state. If he knew anything at all about law, he would know that it is not for a California Court to interpret the actions of a Federal Court. On its face, it is an absurd question. Especially when he ignored the legal advice of his own County and the State Attorney General.
We have spent the last FIVE YEARS clarifying the Constitutionality of Prop 8, and we now have a clear answer. It’s just that Ernie doesn’t like the answer and wants to dig in his heals.
YFC, I write the following for others who might be confused by what you posted at 8:56pm:
-In most states anyone can be fired for no reason at all. How? It is called “Employment at Will”. see: “Woman fired for being too attractive. Supreme Court upholds firing”, Dec 23 2012.
-Per immigration law any foreigner could be deported if he lost his job and therefore his visa or his schooling ran out. Marriage does not guarantee immunity from this.
-Homosexuals have always been able to serve in the military as long as they did not identify themselves as such. Sodomy, however, was considered a criminal offense as early as Revolutionary War times. “In 1778, Lieutenant Gotthold Frederick Enslin became the first soldier to be drummed out of the Continental Army for sodomy. Throughout U.S. history, campaigns have purged military units of persons suspected of engaging in homosexual acts.” (Gregory M. Herek psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/military_history.html)
YFC, STOP promoting the shredding of the Constitution!!!!!!!!
YFC, STOP Your BIGOTED ASSAULT On Marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tracy please see my response to your incorrect accusation that I am a bigot and that I am assaulting marriage at July 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm
In addition to your other points, you are incorrect when you say that deportation proceedings are stopped if a person is married. In fact, immediately after DOMA was repealed, deportation proceedings on a couple that had advaced far along were haulted in their tracks. WIthout marriage and without DOMA repeal, the guy would be gonners by now.
It is also not true that homosexuals have always been allowed to serve in the military. QUite clearly not true. And besides that: asking a person to hide the truth about themselves flies in the face of the integirty with which we indoctrinate our young defenders.
You are misinformed and utterly blinded by bias and bigotry, YFC. You’ve suffered for your homosexuality, I have no doubt. People can be unspeakably cruel and unkind to any sort of perceived weakness. Many of us here have suffered persecution for some sort of imperfection, whether real or imagined, but for all that, we have to forgive. We all are called to forgive those who tresspass against us. When we carry those old grudges and unhealed wounds with us, they continue to wound us long after the pain should have been healed. Forgive, forgive, forgive!
Dana, where am I misinformed? Back up your assertion, please.
As you’ve been told countless times, yfc, “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it….” In otherwords, friend, what you’re doing is calling God a liar. These are not fairytales that are made to entertain children, and this ‘simple’ sentence holds a universe of wisdom that is lost on modern science. Dr. Anthony Rizzi has written an incredible 2-part article in New Oxford Review, (April,May) called “Recovering by Grounding Modern Phsics” which integrates phsics w/the great philosophical minds such as St.Thomas Aquinas and Aristotle. Only a fool tries to find religion and belief in science. The two are inseparable because ALL/EVERYTHING/ is based on the understanding of God’s laws and that we are all creations of a great Creator, the I Am of the Jews, and the Christ of Christians. Anything else is a lie. Saying that you are living the truth when you’re contridicting what is written in accordance with the Holy Spirit and the inerrant Word of God, is a lie and you are living a lie and your father is the father of lies. Jesus is the Truth. If it contradicts what He taught, it is a lie. Homosexuals always say Jesus said nothing about homosexuality but He did, indeed. Math 19: 17 “Whar are you asking Me about what is good? THERE IS ONLY ONE WHO IS GOOD; BUT IF YOU WISH TO ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.”
Ex:20:14, “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
John 14: 15 “If you love Me, you will keep my commandments.” You can try all you want through the courts and public opinion to claim you’re marriage, but you are not and cannot ever be married one man to another. It is an abomination and can only ever be an adulterous relationship. . 928. What is the second (sin to cry out to Heaven)?
A. The sin of Sodom, or carnal sin against nature, which is a voluntary shedding of the seed of nature, out of the due use of marriage, or lust with a different sex.
Q. 929. What is the scripture proof of this?
A. Out of Gen. xix. 13. where we read of the Sodomites, and their sin. “We will destroy this place because the cry of them hath increased before our Lord, who hath sent us to destroy them,” (and they were burnt with fire from heaven.)
from Dr. Peter Marshall’s website…
https://taylormarshall.com/2012/07/four-sins-that-cry-to-heaven-america/
One needs to find God in one’s trial. To escape from them using worldly means is futile. The trial will arise again in another form. God will end the trial when it is no longer necessary. Trust him in EVERYTHING, even those things that seem unfair by the world’s standards.
No YFC Tracy is correct….I also see it.
The voters approved Prop 8, butt the courts overturned it with some rather queer legal arguments. Still and all, the San Diego County clerk should not be discouraged and should continue fighting the good fight as gayly as ever.
Poor Ernie has already been shot down by the California Supreme Court:
Kamala Harris @KamalaHarris 1m
The CA Supreme Court has denied the San Diego County Clerk’s request to halt same-sex marriages. #Prop8
from the Twitter Machine
Poor YFC, STOP Your BIGOTED ASSAULT On Marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Mary Conceived Without Sin Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And Pray For Those Who Do Not Have Recourse To Thee, Especially The Enemies Of The Church.
Tracy, I’m hardly assaulting marriage. I want marriage to be a lot stronger than it is today. And I want more people making the lifetime commitment of love that marriage signifies. I honestly don’t understand how that makes for an assault on marriage or me a bigot.
And by the way, my posts on this page, almost ALL of my posts, are not even taking a position on marriage for same sex partners. They are simply stating fairly objective facts. Facts about the law and the trial, in this case. Again, if stating facts means I am assaulting marriage or makes me bigoted, I don’t see how. For example, the decision denying Ernie’s request was an en banc decision that did not garner even a SINGLE judge to agree with him. But I suppose pointing that out means I am assaulting marriage and am bigoted.
YFC, the courts do not have the “right” to redefine marriage just as they do not have “right” to redefine murder. Our “rights” come from God almighty, and He will not be Mocked!!!!!!
Yet we know that the courts HAVE redefined marriage as well as murder. God Help Us!!!!!!!!!
Def. Bigot- a person who is intolerant, esp. in matters of religion or race. (American Heritage Dictionary)
YFC, if you truly want marriage to be a lot stronger than it is today, then promote abstinence outside of marriage and chastity within marriage, (which means no illicit sexual activity i.e. sodomy in all its forms, nor use of contraception nor sterilization.) This is what Holy Mother Church teaches!
Tracy: I think it would be instructive for you to ask yourself whether your positions are themselves bigoted. I allow that you have a right to believe whatever you want to believe about marriage, civil or sacramental. I just think that it is the bigoted position to enforce a persons definition on everyone else, especially when the definition most closely pertains to someone who is not yourself. The very fact that you have to resort to name calling against me shows your own intolerance.
You cannot conceive of ways of strenghening marriage beyond imposing a Church clamp upon it. You want to shut down every other notion of how to strengthen the institution. You want to shut down every other possible expression of that institution that goes against what you yourself believe. THIS is intolerance, Tracy.
YFC, the only tactic you and your advocates have is the redefining of words and then insisting that decent men and women serve your new perverted definition of things! This has always been the preferred tactic of the devil throughout Holy Scripture, up to present times, because he hates the truth!!! This is shameful!!! You, YFC, have self-identifed yourself as a Catholic, I didn’t. Calling oneself Catholic means something. You YFC, have chosen to redefine the meaning of Catholicism. In reality what you propose on this blog is NOT Catholicism at all. At best it is Protestantism, and at worse it is secular humanism. The Catholic Church has stood the test of time and has never wavered on Faith and Morals. Sure, people like you have come and gone over the centuries trying to claim they are Catholic while attempting to redefine Her faith and morals (some of those individuals were or are clergy). You and they have the same purpose, to destroy Holy Mother Church from within using the world’s tactics. (the Protestants are at least honest about their position) YFC, identifying yourself as a Catholic and a follower of Jesus Christ doesn’t automatically make you one. Jesus made this very clear to us in the Gospel. “Everyone who says Lord, Lord will not enter the Kingdom of God……”
YFC, I call your tactics BIGOTED ATTACKS on marriage, because that is what they are!!!!!!
Would you prefer I use Jesus’ preferred term for someone like you?
YOU HYPOCRITE?!!!!!!!!!!!! You Brood of Vipers!!!!!
(def: hypocrisy—the professing of virtues and beliefs that one does not possess.)
(def: viper–a treacherous or malicious person)
(def: treacherous—betraying a trust; disloyal; traitorous)
YFC, if you truly want marriage to be a lot stronger than it is today, then promote what Holy Mother Church teaches; abstinence outside of marriage and chastity within marriage, (which means NO ILLICIT sexual activity i.e.- sodomy in all its forms, masturbation, and pornography, nor use of contraception nor sterilization, )
YOU ARE EITHER FOR HOLY MOTHER CHURCH or AGAINST HER!!!!!!!!!!! And right now, my friend, YOU ARE AGAINST HER!!!!!!!!!
YFC, Stop your BIGOTED ATTACKS against MARRIAGE!!!
Oh, Mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee. And pray for those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the enemies of the Church.
YFC, I AM intolerant of EVIL
Tracy,
Excellent posts. God bless you for your faithfulness!
It;s disgusting that YFC says that he wants to strengthen marriage..another deception of his. God already created a plan for mankind and yes a perfect natural one, we can’t have men who think like YFC to tell us that they know better. Geeze, give me a break. Good for you Tracy to set him straight!
Trust me, Abeca, Tracy has no power to set me “straight”.
Tracy exposes herself for the bigoted positions she holds. ONLY EXCLAMATION POINTS SHALL PREVAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YFC you are angry because it is you who holds those true bigoted positions and since she pointed them out to you….you now play it back to her without any reflection on your part.
A lot of waste space.
Tracy is not bigotted, YFC. She could use some practice debating perverts, and you’re providing that practice. Any flaws in her blogs are not substantial but only “typo” level things. She organizes her good thoughts perfectly, and hits the target with them. Which is why you’re so flustered.
YFC Skai is correct….Tracy commented was superb to me because she was direct and not playing “hold hands with you”….I am grateful that this website allowed her defense of the truth to go through and respectful her style of conveying it to you.
We have been very patient and tolerant of you Mr. YFC, you continue to come here and harass us…we have already chosen freely the Will of our Lord’s…..it can’t be bought on cheap gay theologies.
The difference with you and many of us here Mr. YFC is that you come here to advance your sinful lifestyles as a right but if you notice, I do not come here and try to advocate my sinfulness of what I am weak in, I won’t promote them because I seek to avoid what sins I am weak at. I hold very deep my love for our Lord with true respect and because I know of His mercy and kindness, I would not want to see my brethren fall in deeper sin, because that would mean that my brethren would fall further away from our treasure in Jesus. Because we love Jesus, we want to share Him with others and because we understand, to the capacity of our human knowledge, that true joy is eternity in heaven.
This life is only temporary. You post here sharing your objections to the truth, I hope that true charity you felt but since you only see things through your human eye’s and your sins dictate them, you can’t possibly see true charity if you saw one.
I suggest that this be a good time to reflect. You preach man’s views, we only repeat what our Lord has shown to us….there is that difference.
PAX CHRISTI
Let Mr. Dronenberg get his clarification. If, as seems likely to this non-attorney, he looses, then he either has to issue the licenses to all or resign. No further delay, even if Ernie doesn’t like it.
He has been given his clarification. By the State Supreme Court, by the US Supreme Court, by the Ninth Circuit, by the State Attorney General, by the State overseer of the clerks, and by his own county officials. It is entirely disingenuous if he continues to assert that he is unclear.
YFC, STOP Your BIGOTED ASSAULT On Marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Mary Conceived Without Sin Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And Pray For Those Who Do Not Have Recourse To Thee, Especially The Enemies Of The Church.
Tracy please see my response to your incorrect accusation that I am a bigot and that I am assaulting marriage at July 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm
YFC, please see my response to my correct accusation that you are a bigot and assaulting marriage at July 24, 2013 at 1:32 pm
there were no replies left Tracy so I reply here.
YOU are the one who insists upon YOUR definition of the Constitution. YOU are the one who insist upon YOUR definition of Catholicism. YOU are the one who insists upon YOUR definition of marriage. YOU are the one who insists upon YOUR definition of Bigot. YOU are the one who insists upon YOUR definition of assault.
I have simply been describing the state of the legal battles. Somehow I am now being accused of bigotry, of assaulting marriage, or redefining the Constitutuion, all because I am relating the factual history of the Prop 8 Case. I’m sorry if this does not fit YOUR definition of history.
Do you see the patter here?
YFC she is correct you are against the real definition of marriage…the true one! Yes she is correct….
I would certainly like to see some Clear Direction from the Church as well, particularly with the Deluge of radical activists who will descend (in some cases more literally than others) upon the system to Abuse Catholic Marriage Vows – and trash the Church of course, can’t forget the main purpose of the pogrom.
To summarize the current legal attitude (not the law, just the apparent attitude of those who choose whether or not to enforce it – like Brown & Harris)…
– Anyone can legally ‘change’ their ‘Gender’ based on virtually any whim, and have a New Birth Certificate Retroactively Altered to reflect this “Perception” – whether accompanied by surgical mutilation / steroids / drag costume/ peachfuzz beards… Or Not.
The Rest of Us – are Required to go along with this Anti-Scientific Lie (there are only two genders XX & XY, genetic / gestational defects notwithstanding) – or face sanctions from Caesar, like the Woman Coach who called the cops on Male Pervert flashing little girls – and had to apologize to the ‘trans-womyn’ walking naked waving his frank & beans at the kids.
When such hateful mockery presents itself at the Altar (kind of like the Nun-mocking drag queen tsywted systers of indulgence looking to enter a convent, only creepier) – and Demands Submission to Evil / ‘equal rights to marry’….
Will the Church submit to Caesar, or Cease to provide any ‘civil’ certificates for the State?
Will the Church Pretend that those with SSAD have ‘changed’ gender – to force a hateful mockery of “Man & W0-myn” marriage’ on us all?
Bad Times are coming quick – and not to Decide how to respond, is to let others do so for Us.
SEE: College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls – By Todd Starnes
A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women’s locker room…
– a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman’s locker room …
According to a police report, the mother of a 17-year-old girl complained after her daughter saw the transgender individual walking naked in the locker room.
A female swim coach confronted the man sprawled out in a sauna exposing himself. She ordered him to leave and called police.
The coach later apologized when she discovered the man was transgendered
but explained there were girls using the facility as young as six years old who weren’t used to seeing male genitals.
https://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/college-allows-transgender-man-to-expose-himself-to-young-girls.html
I can assure you that if some so-called transgender man comes into a restroom that I’m in, he will rue the day. If some coach allows some pervert to show his shrivelled manhood to me or anyone I hold dear, he will regret it. I will never endure such flagrant violations of human dignity and proper behavior, even if I have to go to jail. And he won’t be feeling so eager to do it again either! These fellows better watch their step, because other women feel just as I do.
PS And I don’t mean anything agressively physical. I’m only 5’3″. haha I’ve found that a good scolding works wonders. It works with scary dogs too. Sit! Down! Bad boy!
Dana, don’t count on influence; plenty of these pervs are doped up and/or psychopathic … they do not care; all they want to do is maim and kill. I don’t care if they approach as weird naked scumbags … given enough rope, they will seek to maim and kill. They are part of the larger scene which can be called “good devil, bad devil”. Learn some disabling moves well enough to apply them in an instant.
Well, I’ll not be foolish, if I can help it Skai, but I’m not one to be intimidated by bullies. I’ve defended the weak most of my life and now that I am weak, I’m not going to let myself be bullied just because I’m vulnerable. I know a couple of moves but I don’t think I’m strong enough anymore to do them. I’d better use a convenient bush and avoid public restrooms altogether. ;o) Oh, I forgot, I was going to get one of those pink guns you were talking about and get a permit to carry. Then I can be like Indiana Jones. I’d better get my brother to take me shopping.
Dana, one solution is to pack heat with a ccl. Look into a martial arts course. Buy a pit bull puppy and take her everywhere you go. Myself, I’m more favorable for getting me an Akbash, which resembles a huge yellow Labrador, but is bred to bond with sheep and kill wolves. They have a friendly look, and all the better to get closer to the target wolf. Might even be trained to perform the surgery that these wolves in women’s clothing seem to deeply desire.
Dana, also to note, a friend’s diminutive wife is learning to sword fight … swords as in the ones with the sharp edges made for slicing and slashing wicked perpetrators. Hmn, I wonder what the licencing laws are for walking around with one of these in Calif.
You can also learn and develop the “killer look” that will often frighten perps into running away. I’ve been in places where I’ve had to display a body language attitude of “Mess with me and I will kill you”; amazing results in many cases. Part of this is to show zero fear, never let “them” perceive you as afraid or even as cautious … you have to be quick as lightening and when they see it, they pull back or leave.
Skai good advice on your “killer look” approach. I may have to toughen up a little and not back down as well..but I have been called a person of hard or strong character because of it(they say that as if it was a flaw) ….wow, I think they were expecting a pushover…..a door mat or their view on how women should behave….all pretty and pink with everything nice, only speak when spoken to etc…yes I agree but lets be practical here…..this society doesn’t allow for that,,,,,we need to also stand our ground.
Dana – Let Me Be Cynical & Sarcastic with you for just a magic moment… And tell you that your knuckle dragging neanderthal approach to Men in and Out of Drag in the Women’s lockers, toilets…
Is the product of a previous world where Gender was permitted to Exist – before the wonderful Age of Abomination brought enlightenment, after a fashion, to henceforth Ban our otherwise scientifically inclined understanding that gender is an immutable inherited genetic gender heritage – and not a perception of ‘donor material’ in a turkey baster.
That Said – I have to warn you that your sentiments about Male intruders in to private spaces could be interpreted by the Gaystapo as politically Un-Good, and under the Thought Crime laws passed by the Pelosi-Crats and signed by Barry (Soetoro, Marshall Davis , ObamAcorn… Whoever the guy really is) in to Law, might be used to Silence and Punish you too – ‘Whether You Like It or Not’ – to paraphrase ole ‘catholic’ adulterer Gravid Nuiisance.
I Say that Jail Time 4 Thought Crime = The Shape of Things to Come – The future will look more and more like 1933 meets 1984 in the Age of Abomination.
Where we will experience the ‘New Terror’ of the left’s Committee for Public Safety from Hate Crimes etc.
With the signing of the most repressive Political Thought Crime law in its history, the American Republic has now descended to a point where it resembles the crumbling remains of the old Weimar Republic of Germany, during the early years of takeover by the National Homo-Socialist movement.
Even for those familiar with the Nazi leadership of Ernst Rohm (boy raping homo-anal coprophile head of the homosex terrorist Storm Troopers) and Rohm’s (homosex coprophile prostitute) protégé Hitler – the leap from their takeover in 1933 to the death camps of 1943 often seems unforeseeable…
“Because we want everything to Change” – Was the justification given by Nazi (German National Homo-Socialist Party) Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbles for their demand that a syphilitic homo-anal coprophile prostitute named Hitler be made supreme leader of the new Reich.
‘Change’ is also the mantra of their successors in the neo-fascist ObamAcorn movement, which is steadily following the legal patterns pioneered by the Third Reich in establishing their own Fourth Reich of the Abomination.
To this end they have taken the first steps toward creation their own 21st century version of the infamous “Nuremberg Laws” – in the passing of radical new political Thought Policing measures contained in so called “Hate Crime” statutes.
Reporting by the Washington Examiner (Dems undermine free speech in hate crimes ploy By: Bryon York – Chief Political Correspondent, October 13, 2009) details the despicable back room scams used by the Democrat hate machine to subvert the amendments made by the Senate (Brownback), intending to protect the First Amendment ‘rights’ of Citizens to dissent from the new orthodoxy being imposed by these Thought Police.
Rather clumsily inserted in to what appears at first glance to be a ‘disclaimer’ in the Act upholding ‘free speech’ – is a Thought Policing clause that Nullifies any First Amendment Rights whenever they conflict with the ‘pander or perish’ pogrom that is the goal of the act…
– Asserting that the First Amendment is Void, whenever the fanatic radical activists pushing this agenda of hatreds and perversions feel “Compelled” to destroy said former ‘rights’.
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367 SEC. 4701. SHORT TITLE. This division may be cited as the ”Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act”.
(3) CONSTRUCTION AND APPLICATION.-Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed or applied in a manner that infringes any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Nor shall anything in this division, or an amendment made by this division, be construed or applied in a manner that substantially burdens a person’s exercise of religion (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), speech, expression, or association,
– unless
the Government demonstrates that application of the burden to the person is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest
and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest, if such exercise of religion, speech, expression, or association was not intended to – (A) plan or prepare for an act of physical violence; or
(B) incite an imminent act of physical violence against another. ……………………………………………………………………………………..
In Short – a subjective determination by parties as yet un-named that there is a “Compelling Interest” to destroy the First Amendment Rights of one who is subjectively deemed (in the opinion of said parties as yet un-named) to be a danger to use Words Alone to “INCITE” Others…
- Is all that is needed to overcome the Constitution and its ‘protections’, at least such as still remain in this era of ‘Change’.
One can hardly wait to see the inventive manners in which “incitement” will be interpreted and used to drag the Ungood in to the Courts for a dose of ‘peoples justice’; where even if they beat the original charge – any failure to pander to the Misandry of the Judicial Thought Police while in court will result in imprisonment for ‘Contempt’ anyway.
No need to worry though, without doubt we will all remain as free as ever to fully agree with the rank raw hatreds and perversions of the radical leftist / gender feminist / homosex political agenda; and after all…
– What other ‘rights’ does one really need in an age of Abomination?
Unless of course one remembers the lessons from an earlier “Terror”, also soaked in blood – but also craftily cloaked in the propaganda of what is now called “tolerance” – but back then was hailed as “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity… & La Guillotine.” – an era known better as the French Revolution.
Like the current Thought Crime laws passed by the Congress and numerous States, the self anointed / appointed leaders of the French “enlightenment” saw the need for methods to control the information provided to the masses, and thus their Thoughts – lest they turn in to thoughts of dissent… better known as Treason against the ideals of the Revolution.
Their solution was essentially the same as the one being instituted in America today, to impose a “Terror” (they actually used the term ‘Terror’ back then, which has been changed by media flacks to the ‘tolerance’ of today) in the name of Public Safety; which is kind of like ‘Hate Crimes’, only less glamorous.
Indeed, the French “Committee for Public Safety” started out not much different from the Gestapo of the Nazi era or the Tolerance Police of today; and as is ever so often the case, as great power corrupted them their abominations grew to match.
The difference and greater danger of today is that the methods of propaganda and control are so much further advanced by science and study, that the comparison is like that between a cavalry sword and a laser guided smart bomb.
During the “Terror” the most rabidly hateful of insiders (like Murat) would use the printing press to denounce ‘Enemies’ of the People; and leaders of the Public Safety Committee like Robespierre would then make up ‘Enemies lists’ of those needing tolerance training, also known as being shortened by the neck via “The National Razor”.
It is but a short step to today’s ‘Enemies Lists’ of the left; not just the ones compiled by the White House and Attorney General’s Office, but also the ‘private’ lists compiled by radical homosex activists such as those posted on the net targeting Citizens who support Marriage as between a Man and a Woman.
The Left realizes that it cannot effectively control and channel thinking about their agenda while such a pesky thing as the First Amendment clutters up their ‘living’ (meaning constantly morphing to suit them) Constitution. Hence, the need to use the “Hate Crimes” pogroms being pushed throughout the nation as a cleaver to cut off real ‘Free Speech’ – by silencing through fear and intimidation anyone who might dare to object to their revolutionary agenda, or even comment to the contrary.
One successful piece of Leftist Dis-Information constantly reinforced by ‘our’ bought and paid for ‘free press’, is the common misunderstanding that “Hate Crimes” law only relates to those who Commit acts of violence. Not so; if only because the law would miss the real targets of the Thought Police, those who debunk their hate propaganda for the squalid scam it is. The fable of the honest boy and the ‘Emperors New Clothes’ is just that, a fable only a fool would rely on as an excuse for speaking the truth.
In reality he was denounced to the ‘Human Rights Commission for Public Safety’ as “Encouraging” mockery of the Emperor’s Tailors, who felt very bad about the poor reviews for their fashionable efforts and blamed their Harm on “Anti-Gay Ism-Obia” – caused by the Boy Speaking Out where others could hear.
Thus, by daring to ‘Speak Truth to (the wrong) Power’, Thought Crime is the same as Hate Crime, and thus now the held to be the same as legally causing Harm (physical, emotional, political…) – which in response requires retribution / punishment, as a lesson in Terror… Um, Er, Uh, ‘tolerance’ – To the Others.
Even at the time the National Homo-Socialist movement first took power in Germany it was never as a majority party, and Rohm’s notorious Homosex Storm Troopers were its strength and its anvil to crush opponents. But once the apparatus of the State fell in to Hitler’s hands after the assassination of his mentor, the need for jackboot bullies in the streets was supplanted by bureaucrats in offices signing legal documents far more lethal.
Robespierre would have been no stranger to modern “Hate Crime” laws; he was quite well grounded in using pretexts to destroy his ‘enemies’ BAMN (by Any means Necessary), while posing as the voice of tolerant reason and enlightenment. His weapon of choice was pen and ink, and one can only imagine how far his reign of Tolerance… Er, Um, Uh, ‘Terror’ – would have stretched and lasted if he had the internet to assist.
Winston Churchill once spoke of the National Homo-Socialist movement as ushering in “a new dark age made more sinister by the lights of perverted science.” But regardless of the boost by amoral and even flat out evil ‘scientists’, it was the Law in the end that allowed and indeed encouraged the darkness to enfold the land, and the politicians lawyers and judges who warped it like a pretzel to fit the demands of the Thought Police for a Weapon to use against their ‘enemies’.
So too with the Turkey Baster Creationist Courts of the new enlightenment, such as the California Supreme Court and its long line of ‘jurisprudence’ destroying the Freedom of Speech and Thought in service of an Orwellian nightmare of mandatory pandering. With the combined power of both ‘Hate Crime’ & Contempt laws, the silencing of Ungood Viewpoints and Imprisonment of those who dare utter them is, like 1933 all over again, just the beginning.
The philosophy of Edmund Burke that: “All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” is being countered by the institution by the left of a ‘Cannibal Soup’ test to weed out undesirables, permanently. One either surrenders all principal and gaily joins them as a Diner, or is legally sentenced to the stewpot as Dinner…
– And there is No Opt Out for contentious objectors, as neither conscience or objection are permitted in the age of new-enlightened tolerance.
The process was quite well described by Author Theodore Dalrymple in an interview in FrontPageMagazine.com on August 31, 2005, when he said:
“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.
When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.
To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.
A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to
One reason why some people become extremely hostile to anyone who violates a political correctness speech rule and utters some taboo truth is that
the utterance of the truth serves as a reminder that others have been emasculated and silenced.
For some it is humiliating to be reminded of one’s own submission to the enforcers of taboos.
So they lash out at those who speak the unspeakable.” (Dr. Anthouny Daniels, writing as T. Dalrymple)
Thought / Hate Crime Laws enacted in the new National Homo-Socialist Fourth Reich of the ObamAcorn are designed to accomplish all of the above, with the consequences for failure to pander to the new order already made draconian enough at the outset to outline a path to a future (as the corruption of power grows) every bit as clear as the path from ‘Enlightenment’ to the Guillotine…
– Or the National Homo-Socialist promise of ‘Change’ in 1933 to the ‘Solutions’ imposed in the name of Public Safety by 1943.
And no doubt the Hollyweird media will provide a catchy sound track to accompany it, and plenty of diverse looking affirmative actors singing to the choir whatever soundbite is deemed by the ‘Committee for Public Safety from Hate Crimes’ – to best keep the ‘Vanilla’ (voters / taxpayers) clueless and compliant.
Kind of like singing the song of ‘Tolerance Macht Frei’ to the tune of ‘kum-ba-yah’ – only catchier.
I found this different view of the same Gaystapo thought policing pogrom at Lifesite News – after I posted the above… But then great minds think alike, and perhaps it is a sign I should run for Senator too.
Or maybe take on “Kiddie Porn King” mark leno for the Pelosi seat…
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Sen. Ted Cruz: Gay ‘marriage’ could lead to Christian beliefs being punished as ‘hate speech’
– BY KIRSTEN ANDERSEN WASHINGTON, D.C., July 24, 2013 (LifeSiteNews)
– In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) said he believes the legalization of same-sex “marriage” may lead to those who express religious objections to homosexuality being prosecuted for hate speech.
“If you look at other nations that have gone down the road towards gay marriage, that’s the next step of where it gets enforced,” Cruz told CBN host David Brody.
“It gets enforced against Christian pastors who decline to perform gay marriages, who speak out and preach biblical truths on marriage, that has been defined elsewhere as hate speech, as inconsistent with the enlightened view of government.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sen.-ted-cruz-gay-marriage-could-lead-to-christian-beliefs-being-punished-a
Michael, I hope you do run for Senator. I look forward to debating you and showing a broader public that you bring no light to the heat.
Actually I have already been threatened with legal action by a sodomite RIGHT HERE ON THIS WEBSITE!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
The gay mafia at work…..
YFC don’t worry I won’t run for anything anytime soon but I have a greater weapon that our Lord taught us….Prayer.
Mr. Michael McDermott I will keep you in my prayers for I know that this gay season is truly threatening the very existence of mankind and true decency as well. You are a noble and true warrior in Christ, who is using his gifts to defend what is noble and good, what is commanded by our Lord in regards to the natural law. I admire your wisdom and knowledge. God bless you and protect you always.
Mr. Fisher who is threatening you and why? You have the right to your freedom of speech…..
That is disheartening, Michael, to say the least, but I refuse to let these bullies get me down. As for me I will serve the Lord. The best defense is offense, and we have the beauty and joy of faith in God and the fruits of the Spirit we’re given. It’s no accident that ‘Lord of the Rings” was the greatest book of the twentieth century because it was written by a devoted Catholic and brings silent knowledge of what works to defeat a souless and evil enemy. (besides being great literature) It shows goodness and mercy but also the ability to win battles with real strength. We won’t win the day by hating the enemy but by righteous anger and reliance on the Lord . We must know what is right and not give up, back down or turn tail. There must be no compliance with the enemy. As we see here on CCD in this microcosm of ‘debate’ there is a total lack of understanding of those given over to the enemy. They’re lost to reason. I think of the love shown by St. Maximillian Kolbe who was also a tireless worker in exposing evil and getting the truth out. Shining the light on darkness is the surest way of defeating evil. Speaking out like you’re doing is the way to action. You’re one of those that can see and connect the dots. May God bless you Michael and your work. I’m ready to fall in line with the battle plan, as are many more here. California seems impossibly corrupted though. Where I am, there is still some hope of bringing about a wake up call because to be honest, I’m sure that the election was somehow undermined here in 2012. What’s to be done? Prayer and fasting? Sack cloth and ashes?
Dana, the battlefield is in your heart and in the hearts of all. Please realized the true teachings of the Church. Do not follow lay people who have mixed Catholic teaching with their own anger and frustrations. Please follow Jesus Christ and him alone. Find His Mother and you will find Him. The only enemy you have is Satan. Serve God alone. Do not be fooled by wolves in sheep clothing. There is a video done by LifeSiteNews by the papal theologian. Listen to him.
prudence, Jesus came here in body, and continues here in the body. He is not some mere sentiment as many of you protestant wannabes imagine. You contradict yourself by saying our only enemy is the devil and then present wolves as our enemy. You need to begin applying Catholicism physically which is what Jesus is all about.
Skai, God love you but you have a lot to learn. Jesus assumed human nature. He remains in Catholic Tabernacles. He is really present-Body Blood Soul and Divinity. Obviously you do not understand the spiritual life. It is not a contradiction at all to say that our only enemy is Satan and then warn not to be fooled by wolves in sheep’s clothing. Pray more. How often you misunderstand what is posted here.
Michael,
Unfortunately Gomez has already answered your question by presiding over a Sacred Mass at which pro-abortion, pro-sodomite politicians were given front seats in the Rogmahal.
I do not enjoy writing these things, but Our Lord said “the Truth shall set you free”
They are planning the same kind of event in the New Glass Menagerie in the Diocese of Orange. Ten to One Loretta, and other such ilk will be there.
Thus those who are supposed to represent Our Lord are more representing Satan and his Demoncrat Party. They even attacked pro-life, pro-family Republicans at this event!
May God have mercy on America and the apostate church,
Kenneth M. Fisher
If the governor and attorney general are allowed to do what they want, regardless of the law (as in not fulfilling their official obligation to defend Prop 8 in court), why can’t county clerks (or anyone for that matter) do what they want regardless of the law. I say county clerks should refuse to enforce the court’s holding because they consider it to be judicial overreach. The U.S. is on the way to anarchy.
You are the one advocating anarchy, Sawyer, not the Governor or AG. They enforced Prop 8 so long as it was the law of the state. I would also remind you that they got re-elected after staking out their positions on Prop 8. Had the people seen fit, they could have replaced them with people who would have fought for the constitutionality of Prop 8.
YFC, our courts do not have the constitutionality to redefine the Constitution of the United States of America. The fact that they are doing so is Anarchy.
YFC, Stop you Bigoted Assault on Marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tracy please see my response to your incorrect accusation that I am a bigot and that I am assaulting marriage at July 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm
In addition, no one is redefining the Constitution. The Constitution has had equal protection guarantees in it for a very long time. Either people are treated equally, or they are not treated equally. No “redefinition” needed.
YFC, you are more intelligent than this!!!
Why do you think the terms “Judicial Activism” or “The American Constitution is a living, breathing document.” exists?
By the way, you will see neither of those terms in the constitution of the United States of America, nor in the writings of the founding fathers.
Those terms were coined and promulgated by those whose sole purpose is to redefine the Constitution of the United States of America.
Tracy. What, in your opinion, is the meaning of the equal protection clause? Careful. Don’t redefine anything!
Tracy YFC suffers with this temptation and disorder as defined by the church…there is no reasoning with him but we can still continue to pray for him….yes he hates me for saying that. But the truth is the truth even if everyone is wrong……yes YFC that is taken from a quote from Archbishop Fulton Sheen.
Abeca, I don’t hate you, even when you are wrong :)
Nonetheless, you have posted nearly every writing of Sheen in recent days, as though he were Christ incarnate, but have yet to see anything relevant to this particular discussion.
I thought you weren’t going to read any more of my posts that contained a quote from Fulton Sheen…….
I forbid you to speak of our Lord in such a condescending way. Bishop Fulton Sheen honored Jesus well here on earth. The truths which he conveyed are what our Lord willed. You on the other hand do not understand those pearls and are threatened by them, so you stoop so low with your attack on my faith.
The real question is “Who do you love more? Jesus or your homosexuality”….we already know the answer and we must exorcize your activism with truths spoken from faithful men who truly loved Christ. I don’t know why I sense that your actions display jealousy. Because why else would you avoid the words from another man who’s only goal was to do God’s will.
“Where our treasure is, there is our heart also. If we lived for God, then death is a liberation. Earth and its possessions are the cage which confines us, and death is the opening of its door, enabling our soul to wing its way to its Beloved for which alone it has lived, and for which it only waited to die.”
(Seven Capital Sins) From Fulton Sheen
and because We love Christ more than anything or anybody in life….
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ” John 3:16
Equal protection law means to suppress gays so that we all are more equal morally.
Tracy – the yfc (your fake catholic) Troll is just playing word games to fill the board with trash – so as to discourage others from reading the rest.
Giving an anonymous Troll the opportunity to start flame wars just plays in to the Gaystapo pogrom -which is not about debate, but enforcing conformity to their Misandry.
I suggest you look on opportunities to ‘argue’ with fake catholics as a chance to avoid stepping in the (excrement deleted) they deal in.
Tracy, what Michael means to say is that he got his pants whooped in my earlier debate with him and he recommends you steer clear because YFC brings civilized logical argument to the table in place of name calling and allusions to nazism and klan-isms.
TFC sodomite is an actual word describing homosexual sex. You are threatened of those descriptive words…then don’t advocate sodomy….but the word won’t go away….it is what it is and it is not offending one’s dignity but the action of sodomy does offend the natural law and also ones dignity of how God made them.
Tracy, sodomites feed on being defeated, put down, and abused; they seek out dehumanization for themselves.
ummm WRONG Skai. Dignity, please!
Skai emerges with a new theme: that gay people, “sodomites” in your lingo, feed on being defeated put down and abused. Thus, Skai, you feed what “sodomites” feed upon (in your twisted opinion). How convenient. And how wrong, as usual.
YFC, there is no dignity, not a shred in the gay community. It’s only a fantasy you gays perpetuate on the morally compromised rest of the nation. Gayness is the result of moral degeneration of society, the concrete shoes that are pulling society into the depths of that sea that Jesus mentions along with the millstone around the neck.
Election does not make them good or moral persons, YFC.
Maybe we’ll see some elected county clerks being protected by elected county sheriffs. In the county I live in the sheriff decides which state and federal laws to enforce, not only in theory but in fact.
Which county is that Skai, I’ll send some Federal Marshalls in…
Most of California county sheriffs, YFC. You live in a cacoon in a densely populated city, and wouldn’t really be expected any awareness of most of the rest of the world.
The county sheriff national association is on record for upholding the constitution against any incursions by federal usurpers. Montana sheriffs are on record for warning they’ll arrest any fed agents who try to enforce fed gun laws in their counties. similar in most states. the only places which suck up to the fed tyranny machine are the extreme urban cities, mostly the coastal ones which are ruled over also by foreign nations and empires to some degree.
Sayyer I agree with you….
LGBT is and promotes the Valley of Death.
James,
ETERNAL DEATH!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Hey YFC, on Newsmax this morning, the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow has been repotted as saying what should be obvious to anyone not besotted by “gay”fascist cabal propaganda: the attempt to legitimize so-called “gay” marriage is an APOCALYPTIC act, guaranteed to bring down terrible repression to any nation that tries it. Now I realize that the Russian Orthodox Church are our separated bretheren, but they’ve sure gotten this particular gambit of topdown governmental assault on heterosexual marriage RIGHT. Any nation that tries to legislate this abomination of “gay” marriage into existence will answer for it and I suspect answer for it BIGTIME. Hey, YFC, does this mean that you’ll have to apply for an anullment for your own eventual safety? Just asking, no offense meant. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
markrite, the Russian regime is among the most virulently anti-gay in history. Citizens (and just this week foreign toursits) are being treated to all manner of oppression, including a complete crackdown on anything resembling freedom of assembly or freedom of speech. AND they don’t have anything close to marriage equality. So I don’t think we can look to Russia as an example. How about looking to Canada which, i believe just today, celebrates 9 years with marriage equality. I don’t see much fire and brimstone hitting there cities, do you?
YFC, you who are a Catholic know God’s definition of marriage. Where in the Bible or in Church teaching do you find the term “marriage equality” or your definition of that term? It doesn’t exist.
Homosexual activists have proven themselves to be vile, crude, and lawless. Good for Russia!!!!
YFC, you boast about the lack of “fire and brimstone” after only 9 years of Canada’s shameful mocking of God’s laws? You certainly do not know your scripture do you?
YFC, STOP YOUR BIGOTED ASSAULTS ON MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Mary Conceived Without Sin, Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And pray for those who do not have recourse to thee especially the enemies of the Church.
Tracy, perhaps you can point me to the Biblical definition of marriage. Was it Adam and Eve who had the perfect marriage? Abraham and his wife (and his concubine)? Saint Peter, whose wife was nowhere to be found?
You have to admit, for all the importance we ascribe to marriage, it is neither defined in Scripture, nor is it central to very many of the stories. In fact, Saint Paul discourages it.
Help me out here Tracy.
Marriage is between a man and woman…..that is the true definition whether one is of faith or not. God gave mankind the natural law…
Great post, Tracy. Also, I recommend (though I waste my time) that yfc read Lifesitenews which carries many tragic stories of what is happening in Canada. We’re not getting any of that in obamanewsandviews sup-press.
Tracy, I admit, there is no entry in the Bible for marriage equality. Nor is there an entry for freedom of religion, freedom of speech, democracy, capitalism, federalism, states rights, the right to privacy, the emancipation proclamation, the right to life, the right to trial by jury, the requirement of face to face confession, the ordination of the presbyterate, infallibility of the Pope when teaching ex cathedra, or any of any myriad of concepts that you and I likely agree upon. SO what is your point, Tracy?
YFC, you forgot to comment on the rest of my statement, which was you will not find the term “marriage equality” in Church teaching. As you know the history of the Church is just an extension of over 2000 years beyond the Bible. That’s over 4000 years of history! I assure you that nowhere in that 4000 year history will you find the Church alluding to or supporting any notion other than marriage being between a man and a woman. By the way, you will not find the word Trinity in the Bible, so why do you believe in it. You, as a Catholic do believe in the Most Holy Trinity, right?
YFC, STOP YOUR BIGOTED ASSAULTS ON MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Mary Conceived Without Sin, Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And pray for those who do not have recourse to thee especially the enemies of the Church.
Tracy you won’t find ANY of those terms in church teaching either. You are being rather silly if you think every concept in civil society, law,science, etc must be found in church teaching to have validity. Did gravity exist before the church spoke about it?
Marriage equality is a modern day phrase used by activists who want to re-define marriage….
Just checked the weather network for Canadian cities. No fire. No Brimstone. A bit of divine rain maybe?
I have to ask, YFC: you get so many disparaging directed your way, and not merely your positions or your beliefs, but about you personally – why then do you still read and post on this website?
Personally, I have been told by various in the comments section was I was brainless, stupid, was called a retard, a sodomite, an idiot, a heathen and been addressed in ways I could never imagine in the off-line world. And by self proclaimed Christians motivated by the love and mercy of Christ. I’m beginning to wonder why I return to this site, and thought an insight from you would put my own experience in perspective.
Thank you, St. Peter, for this question. I return and I endure because I believe that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. Honestly, I believe that those who seek to belittle God’s creation, who seek to disparage the People of God, who desire to split asunder Christ’s Church, have no power when confronted with Truth, Love, Faith, and Hope.
I return so that if there are young ones, innocent ones, who come to this website seeking some glimpse of God’s love, but who find instead the discord sown here, will find some hope that there are Fellow Catholics, like them, who are gay, and who claim the perpetual unconditional love of God for their own.
In the holy words of Jesus, “Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.” Matthew. 10:24
The gays love and crave to be spoken to harshly, which keeps them tuned in for the admonishment to turn from their sins.
On the other hand, maybe there is more to the point brought up by YFC than meets the eye. Maybe the Russians are stomping down the gays as a way of covering up the evidence of evil in the land. St Paul makes a point and is not rambling when he tells us that gayness is the consequence of sin. The many stories in the OT that point out that when a society devolves to institutionalizing gayness, what has brought it on is idolatry and adultery.
Perhaps because they can see where homosexuality leads in this country, yfc? They’ve got some serious problems in Russia with muslims becoming the largest segment of the population. If the men and women, who are not having children enough to replace the current population, decide to marry same sex partners they’re in even greater danger of dying out. They’ve already lost the population time bomb threat in Europe, with Italy having the fewest children. The only thing that is saving us from the same fate is ironically, illegal immigration. As I’ve said before, homosexuality is not just against God’s law, but against His biological design. It’s insanity no matter how you look at it. Sorry, but men are designed for sex with women and vice versa. It’s true in the past, is true, now and will always be true. You can call a rose a potato, yfc, but it will always be a rose.
Dana, first, I appreciate that from time to time you recognize the need to treat gay people with dignity and respect. And that, in turn, makes me want to respect you. And so, out of respect, I will share a little more here than I usually would. I trust that you will treat my honest comments with the respect that I think you are capable of.
I have to honestly tell you that, in the core of my being, I, I as a human individual, know that I am not created to be with a woman. I honestly believe that I am not designed for sex with a woman. In fact, I think sex with a woman would betray my true self. I honestly believe that. I know that is hard for you to understand, and I don’t expect it to be easily understandable to the straight vast majority, but it is true. “To thine own self be true” we are told. It’s not that I hate women (I actually get alogn with them quite well and can, in fact, fall in love with them). It is that I am not attracted to them in that way.
Dana, you have shown over and over again on CCD that you are not disengaged from the world. You GET that there are gay people out there. I would only ask you to think about your daughters. Would you want them to marry a man who knows, as I do, that they were not designed to be with a woman? Would you want that for her? And if he realized that he was not designed for a woman later on, years into the marriage, would you want her to stay with him, even if they loved each other?
You may very well answer that they SHOULD stay together. I’ve known couples who make that exact decision, and I respect it when it happens. Usually, the guy is allowed to play with guys. But is that the way it should be? And, should she be forced to continue in that sexless situation, whether he sees other guys or not, would you want that for your daughter to have to make that decision?
So I ask you, wouldn’t it be best for your daughter if we didn’t ask gay men to enter into marriages with your daughters in the first place? Why place so much PRESSURE upon a gay guy to live a straight life, when we all know it will end in disaster for the poor girl who he marries?
Well, for fear of sounding sanctimonious, I do think it is not only possible, but I’ve known real people who have lived together as brother and sister and have been married for many years. As a matter of fact, if people are honest, many marriages become more a friendship in their later years. I hate to see anyone alone and depressed, so yes, I’m very sympathetic to same sex attracted people who are some of the kindest most gentle people I’ve ever known. If it were just you and your friend, living up the road, for example, being good and loving neighbors, I would not have any trouble with that. We could play cards or whatever and what’s not to like? But when you seek to publicly defend the indefensible, yfc, for your sake and the sake of society, we must meet you and other militant and political activists with our strongest and best arsenal…the truth. I think the way things are headed you will some day see friends of yours suffering for this truth and you will feel tremendous remorse. I remember arguing with my mom about belief in God, etc. when I was a liberal unbeliever and I was so sure I was right. I’ve never shared this here but I will tell you what happened to me, in truth. I was living an unchaste, single mom life and going to school, having recently divorced my husband of ten years. If I had died then, I would be in hell, absolutely. But one night, about 3 am I was awakened by someone calling me by name. ‘ Dana. Dana.’ So sad sounding and it went to my very heart. I felt so afraid and yet so angry. ‘Oh, no you don’t!’ I thought. I pulled up the covers and forced my self to ignore what couldn’t be. The next night, about 3 am I was awoken again but this time I could not ignore “Dana. Dana’ I utterly and completely let go all my pride. I had to admit I was wrong because the Creator and Master of the Universe had called me by name.” I got up from my bed and went in my bathrobe to the Episcopal Church down the block…it was unlocked and the Bible was opened to a verse that practically knocked me off my feet. Whenever I begin to feel sorry for myself or wonder why He doesn’t use me for something important, I’m reminded again and again…He called me by name. He called me back to faith and repentence in the fraction of a minute. I was restored. I was back in eternal time. I don’t know why He cared so much but I do know it was real and I was changed forever. It’s been a long long road and many slips and falls, but eventually He brought me to the Catholic Church and if I’ve learned anything in all these years it is this…He cares for every single one of us. Personally. Without any reserve. Don’t become so hardened that you cannot hear His voice calling your name. It is real. It is forever. It cannot be compromised. He is the ONLY way, the ONLY truth. Believe it! It is worth ANY sacrifice to be one of His lambs.
YFC, what does not being attracted sexually to women have to do with your choice to be gay? What if some dude believes as deeply as you do that he was born to engage in sex with many women? Then what? Would he be just in promoting changing the law to institutionalize that? I kind of favor that, but am held back by the faith given me by Jesus; yet, it would be great to legally marry many women, especially rich ones and ones with lots of retirement benefits.
Dana, I’m not an unbeliever. Far from it. I am your fellow catholic.
Dana, : )
Praise God! That is an incredibly beautiful story and a real living testimony to the power of Almighty God. He parted the Red Sea to bring you home at the hour of Divine Mercy. Thank you for sharing the true story of your *miraculous awakening* with us! I am so overjoyed because you responded with a “yes” and the power of God’s amazing grace brought you home! Yes, you could have essentially told YFC, that when it comes to doing things your own stubborn way, that you have been there and done that and simply told him/her to shape up or ship out. You went out on a loving limb to stretch out a continuum of that powerful arm of mercy that had been stretched out to you. God bless you for that remarkable charity. YFC has the gift of free will to say “yes”, as you did or “no” to that outstretched arm of mercy. You are right Dana, God does love all sinners. Tragically many have been taught that hell is not real but as the Venerable Bishop Sheen once said to a non believer who said that they did not believe that hell existed, “You’ll believe it when you get there.”
Another poster recently wrote something very wise on CCD. They told YFC to cut out the middle man because he was using our posts as a mechanism to argue with his own conscience. I apologize if I did not remember the exact quote correctly but there was so much wisdom in that statement. God bless you Dana for posting your story and let us pray that all of our good consciences are moved to the greatest kind of awakening which is the desire to stop offending God. Thank you again sweet Dana for your beautiful post that shows such a great depth of charity for the one lost lamb who still rejects and mocks the Good Shepherd by calling evil a good.
Dana,
Speaking of clarifying truth in our courts, there is a much higher court that rules this entire universe. I want you to know that my sister telephoned me this morning and she told me an incredibly clarifying story. Tonight I read your post to her and she asked me to print out your testimony and she wanted to hand it to people that she comes into contact with. My sister works full time and she comes into direct contact with many customers. Last Sunday when my sister was getting out of her car for Mass she looked and saw a funeral Mass holy card for a woman who had died 6 years ago. The card was sticking up between the seat and the console peeking out. My sister’s husband washes and vacuums her car weekly and he keeps it pristine. Perhaps the holy card simply fell out of her Magnificat prayerbook she thought. My sister also thought that this woman may need prayers so she offered her prayers at Mass for the soul of this woman. The following Monday the deceased woman’s husband came into my sister’s store. My sister had not seen him for quite some time. The man said, “You know I’ve been remarried for 3 years already but did you know that last Sunday was the 6 year anniversary date of Loretta’s death? My sister was taken back, she was not going to bring up what had happened because he was remarried and she did not want to make him sad but when he brought up his deceased wife Loretta’s name, she told him about finding the prayer card. You see my sister had not looked at the date on the card when she found it. My sister simply prayed for the soul of Loretta. My sister told the man that she offered prayers at Mass for Loretta and the man became tearful and he thanked her. The following morning when my sister went to back her car out of her driveway to drive to work there was a large collection of white rose petals lying on the ground behind her car. How is that for clarifying the existence of the need for prayer and mercy!
Thank you again Dana! : )
YFC wrong again….your actions are not, your words are far from it.
Jesus did warn us about false prophets…
YFC if you realize what has been posted here before and if your prideful sight would only leave you to actually see the true love that Christians have and the reasons why we can not morally permit your views to advance, then maybe some day you will be grateful to our Lord for His love, because it is through His real love and mercy that many take the time to rebuke error.
It is for your own good YFC….Because Jesus loves you!
What scares me the most YFC is that I won’t and don’t feel safe in your definition of what is love and respect of human dignity. Because you don’t respect human dignity in the true sense that God has set forth for mankind. You only defy it the more. I don’t understand why would anyone, especially if one fears the Lord and has been growing a deeper relationship with our Lord, why would he settle for the cheaper version of love, which is only coming from imperfect men! I just don’t get and I don’t want to find out either!
Russia is not anti-gay; rather Russia is promoting nature by forbidding anti-nature.
Skai, if you saw how they beat up gays, treat them to electorshock therapy, even YOU might change your mind.
Literal gay bashing, YFC?
Skai that makes sense…good comments!
Yes Skai they are literally bashing gays in Russia. Skinheads, neo-Nazis, and government forces.
Catherine, thank you so much for that amazing story about Loretta. It actually gave me chills. There is so much we don’t understand. I appreciate your support and especially understanding how difficult it was to share my experience. What a blessing you have a sister to share your faith journey with and can get support and encouragement. Sometimes it’s so difficult because I have no Catholic friends or family. Everyone is protestant or unbelieving, and my husband and his friends are all of the liberal/intellectual understanding that they picked up in college and never grew out of. I find it ironic that somewhat wrote here that if I find His mother I will find him. My goodness, I’ve been relying on our Blessed Mother every day. I must sound like some sort of doubting Thomas here? Anyway, I try to walk the walk everyday, and be a quiet testimony to all I meet. I fail often, but sometimes I plant a seed and pray it will grow. That’s about all I can do right now. Again, dear Catherine, I can’t tell you how much yours and Abeca’s support means. I’m hoping to get my niece to go to Mass with me this Sunday and I would appreciate it if you could remember Shannon with a little prayer that the Holy Spirit would soften her heart about joining her husband in the faith (he’s Catholic). It would help her so much, I know, but she’s got alot of baggage. (don’t we all?) God bless you and your sister!! And I would remind yfc (not meaning to NAG, mind you) that satan also believes in God and trembles.
Russia is a far more Christian nation than Canada. Canada has been ruled by a heretic government church for its entire existence; whereas Russia is strongly Christian with a power Sacramental Orthodox Church which has ruled the religious roost there for more than a thousand years. Canada promotes the sign of the culmination of sin, whereas Russia stops well short of this abomination.
Skai, you really don’t know much about this. I have a degree in History and also took many courses, including graduate courses in European History, a course in Russian History and a course in Soviet History. While today 15 to 20% of the Russian people are Russian Orthodox, there are very few Catholics in Russia. Most of the Catholics in the former Soviet Union live in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. Lithuania is 80% Catholic. Belarus is 15% Roman Catholic. A majority of the people there are Russian Orthodox but the Diocese of Grodno, in northwestern Belarus was formerly part of Poland and has a Catholic population of 600,00 or 61%. A majority of Ukrainians are Orthodox but they are split between Orthodox under the Kiev Patriarchate, Orthodox under the Moscow Patriarchate, and other Orthodox groups. The third largest group are Ukrainian Greek Catholics who form 8% of the population. The vast majority of people in parts of Ukraine which were part of Poland before World War II are Ukrainian Greek Catholics. People who live in Southwestern Ukraine, live in an area which was part of Poland from the 14th Century, was in Polish Galicia (part of the Austrian partition) from 1772 to 1918, and Poland from 1918 to 1939. From late September 1939 until early July 1941 this land was split between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. After July 1941, this area was part of the Generalgouvernment, which was the Nazi name for occupied Poland not directly annexed to the German Reich. After Yalta in 1945, part of Southeastern Poland was given to Soviet Ukraine. This included the Polish city of Lwow (Lviv). Lwow was a major Archdiocese in Poland where a majority of the people were Polish Catholics. Before the war Lwow was 65% Polish Catholic, over 20% Jewish, 10% Ukrainian, and a little under 5% German, Armenian, Russian and others. The rural areas of the Lwow region were split between Polish and Ukrainians, with Lemkos in mountain areas. In 1945 and 1946 most of the Polish people were expelled from these parts of Poland and moved to Silesia in what is today Southwestern Poland but before 1945 was part of Germany. The Germans fled the Russian and Polish armies and those that remained were mostly expelled. Many Ukrainians, some from parts of Poland that were not given to Ukraine were moved to the areas that were once Southeastern Poland. Today the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Lviv forms 3% of the population. The Ukrainian Greek Archdiocese of Lviv forms 71% of the population. My maternal grandparents came from the Lwow region but the western part which remained in Poland. Today it is Podkarpackie Province. Poland is 90% Catholic, most of whom are practicing Catholics. In regard to Canada, 43% of the people of Canada are Catholics, this includes a large number of Ukrainian Greek Catholics in Western Canada. A large majority of the people in Quebec are Roman Catholic with over 90% Catholic in some areas that are mostly all French Canadian. 23% of Canadians belong to a Protestant denomination, the largest of which is the United Church of Canada. So a much larger percentage of Canadians are Christians and Catholics when compared to Russia.
ON side note PA, Putin made a pilgrimage to venerate and Icon of the Theotokos “Mother of God”… Obama’s policies are an attack on the Church… I can say with confidence that Russia is far more Christian than the US or Canada., and where do you get this bogus figure of only 20% of Russia is Orthodox. It is overwhelmingly Orthodox….
PA, now I can see clearly why you failed to learn history other than a list of alleged facts. You have no critical capacity to be able to discern the meaning of history. You also treat, albeit surrupticiously, the Orthodox as enemies of God. Their Sacraments are valid, PA, which means that the faithful Orthodox are united with God, ie one with God in the same way as faithful Catholics. Look how they survived the Soviet tyranny, and the West by contrast is being killed by its own immoral lusts.
PA you have a degree in History…..I’ll keep what degree I have a secret….haha…bet you can’t guess…..
YFC,
You celebrate and Heaven weaps!
Kenneth M. Fisher
Canisius, I studied Russian history and I certainly know that before the Russian Revolution, a vast majority of Russians were Orthodox. Today half of the people in Russian don’t belong to any religious group. There are also many Muslims in some parts of Russia, maybe 10% of the population or more, but I don’t know how religious they are. Where have I said anything against the Orthodox, Skai. I know that their Sacraments are valid. I also remember how Pope Paul VI and I think it was Patriarch Athenagoras lifted the excommunications against each other. The Orthodox are our brothers in faith. Again, there are very few Roman Catholics in Russia as most of the Catholics in the Soviet Union didn’t live in Russia as I stated above.
Mr. Fisher is right on….the heaven’s weep for how much we hurt our Lord….those that love our Lord will hurt when our Lord is mistreated. Sin hurts good. Sin destroys and does not allow a perfect relationship with our Lord. Sin hurts our relationship with our Lord. Let us not forget.
Your Fellow Catholic, is the Communist Party in Russia the most anti-gay of the major Russian parties? It seems that the more democratic and Western people tend to be tolerant towards gay people. People that are still Communist, under Russia’s new Communist party are anti-gay. President Putin is anti-gay.
We’ve already discussed Mr. Putin”s authentic masculinity, Mark. He’s like the majority of men used to be not that long ago. Men who were deeply offended by weakness or a lack of respect for family and tradition. That was one of the bulwarks of our culture. I think it’s the hormones women are excreting into the water supplies from their poisonous birth control pills that’s doing it. It’s causing fish to grow horrid disfuring growths on them and is causing the neutering and perhaps extinction of certain water species. No one is even addressing this because the feminazis triumph over science, over men, over families, over sanity, over just about anything but the devil, to whom they owe their power and unnatural appetites. Bring back the stocks, I say.
This is pretty interesting, Mark, and very informative. I learn alot from Crisis magazine. Take care and have a happy weekend with your family.
Here’s the site;
https://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-story-behind-russians-gay-adoption-ban?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CrisisMagazine+%28Crisis+Magazine%29
Vladimir Putin was a ranking officer in the KGB. It seems that some are impressed by that and his “authentic masculinity.” I suppose is someone was in or is in the KGB that makes him an “authentic male.”
PA, the former KGB helped the nation of Russia survive being conquered by other nations and empires. Why would you oppose a nation’s efforts to govern itself? The answer, PA, is that you suffer a hissy fit because national survival requires stomping down the gay movement.
Nonsense.
Meaningful.
Mum and papa love to exist…..in every ones family unit. It’s for the common good of mankind.
Abeca, didn’t you learn that “every” is one of those trip-up words in the SATs? If you had said “most”, you;d have gotten agreement. “Every” is an answer I’d reject on the test.
“how they beat up gays”: YFC, can I infer from your post that the Russians have developed a variety of ways, say, different schools of beating up gays?
Anonymous, you evidently did not realize on the SAT that if you mark all the choices, you get maximum score. Try that next time and watch your score jump from the lowest ten percentile to the top.
peter, no doubt you do well in pronouncing “nonsense” backwards. Do you practice it at parties?
esnesnon … just wanted to see peter’s “nonsense” backwards. Just what I figured, nonsense.
< < < "Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, but I', here among you to prevent something far worst for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. — "St. Francis de Sales < < <
Well, YFC, apparently now you’ve got this weird entity that calls himself (am I being gender- presumptive here? Wouldn’t want to offend your so obviously tender sensitivities) “St. Peter”, LOL, trying to run interference for you and your INCORRIGIBLE and SUPREMELY heterodox verbal somersaults, as you twistily meander in your IMPLACABLY self-assured nutcase assertions relative to homosexuality, “gay” marriage (once again, an OXYMORON) and like subjects. I can only ask at this point: BUDDY, ARE YOU FOR REAL? And is there a saint I can pray to who’ll be able to straighten out you corkscrew logic, really, a lack of ANY logic, your outrageously SMUG false truisms that seem to go on and on like some demonic energizer bunny that could EXHAUST the average saintly poster here, and there are so many of them, but you just maniacally continue on like you haven’t even STOPPED to peruse the many answers to your plague of lies that just stream forth from your brain in endless array? Is there such a saint? Who could it be? Aha, perhaps the ANGELIC DOCTOR himself could do it. I shall say a novena to ST. THOMAS AQUINAS for your soul, THERE’S the one who might penetrate to the depths of it and hopefully give you PEACE from the legions of unclean spirits that seem to be assailing you. Gonna do it immediately. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
I got a good chuckle out of that one mark rite. Though I did have to come u for air a few times what with all the run on sentences and all.
“Though I did have to come *u* for air a few times what with all the run on sentences and all.”
Oh what a shameful mess we weave when we mock God’s natural laws and not mind our own missing * p’s. *
I’ll keep repeating it, YFC. McD’s posts are constructed well. He writes in a recognized literary form. I understand what he is saying … everything. His thoughts are clear, ordered and expressed cogently. One of the leaders in this literary style, Samuel Beckett, a Catholic, won a Nobel Prize for literature:Nobel Prize in Literature 1969, and the Croix de Guerre 1945. YFC, I’d place you somewhere in his play, Krapp’s Last Tape.
Skai, I understand what Michael McDermott writes too. I understand that he lies and makes up words like “gaystapo”, and belittles former Chief Judge for the Federal District Vaughn Walker whom he slanders by calling him “Von Wanker”, and implies that I follow in the footsteps of pedophiles.
Vaughn Walker is a disgrace to the human race.
I had an Irish Setter named Becket, Skai…one of the best dogs I ever had. He could really dance an irish jig and I used to play Irish music and he would howl and frisk about. He weighed 125 pounds and was a true alpha male. What a dog! Tony the mailman used to stop by the house to take him on his mail delivery route…the kids loved to see him sitting in the mail cart like a prince. haha. He sat in a chair like a person with his front legs on the floor and when he was upset or sad, he would crinkle up his mouth and look like he was going to cry. Our evil next door neighbor poisoned him because we had reported him to the police for reckless driving (trying to hit children playing on the sidewalk).
He poisoned your dog?! If he had done that in England, the neighborhood would have hanged him.
Dana I am so sorry. I think it is so cruel for anyone who would poison animals. In Mexico some people are so cruel that they would put poison in their food. Is there anything you can do to get him arrested? I thought that was illegal? He is a jerk and that is putting it lightly, I would want to say more fitting words for your neighbor but it’s not lady like of me if I did but I think you know that I feel for your situation. So sorry about your doggie.
I take it you never read ‘Naked Lunch’, yfc. A lousy book but it used a legitimate writing technique called ‘stream of consciousness’ writing. Mark is writing from the gut, which means you’re getting a real blast of heartfelt passion and truth with no holes barred or namby pamby punctuation restrictions that inhibit ones’ most intimate and authentic thoughts that should not offend anyone with any sensibility because it is invariably true, thoughtful and unashamedly one’s opinion for we do have free speech yet and until that day arrives when the thought police clamp down with their tiny thoughts and big appetites and try to prohibit and inhibit people from expressing what they believe we will keep those thoughts, opinions, hopes,dreams, likes and dislikes coming because above all else it is Jesus Christ we serve and He and He alone has the right to silence us if what we’re saying is becoming so much empty rhetoric rather than defending the faith, the truth and the American way!
The book, “Naked Lunch” … that’s it, now I remember, Dana. Also my college essays and research papers looked pretty much like that.
The discussion about Marriage and the Gaystapo attack on Family & Society is all too often manipulated in to ignoring the Targets of the pogrom – and instead eliciting misplaced sympathy for the Pogromers.
Hence, the campaign to Exterminate the Hated ‘Y-DNA BioManPigOppressor’ of the Patriarchy is many faceted pogrom with a specific goal, and the legal pogrom being pushed by the ‘Turkey Baster Creationist’ lobby of Today is one that Legally (* if not yet physically) Eliminates Male Gender – even in Fathers.
There are court cases all over seeking to Deny the Existence of Fathers – particularly for Boys who share the same Y-Chromosome as their Male Father. This doesn’t jive with the Self Mutilating Steroid Dyke / ‘new man’ pogrom – that says Maleness is Just a Perception, and the pigs of the patriarchy are to be phased out, after being filtered through a ‘donor processing’ system..
In CA – the ‘logical’ outcome of this Hate Pogrom is found in the example of a Womyn who gives birth to Fraternal Twins – Same Father, His Sperm and Two Different Ovum create two Boys – Brothers.
Now the Orwellian ‘Double Think’ – One Boy was created via a ‘Dead Beat Dad Factory’ / sperm bank – and the other by Normal Heterosexual intercourse shortly thereafter.
The First Boy has No Father – not an absent one, or deceased – but the Law says No Man was involved in his conception, just an anonymous genderless spitwadd of ‘donor material’.
The Second Boy – his Fraternal Twin – has a Father, who can be sent to jail for failure to support him – Solely because that Son was Conceived through Normal Heterosexual Intercourse.
The long and short of the pogrom can be summed up in the Gaystapo slogan of ‘tolerance’ = ‘Use a P-ns, Go to Jail’.
The Twysted Systerhood wants to promote careless Men who will deny their genetic gender heritage and produce numerous children ‘anonymously’ (SEE http://www.DonorSiblingRegistry.com ) – while avoiding contamination with the instrument of rape and oppression – the Hated Male p-ns.
SEE:
Kansas sperm donor asks for judgment without trial
Published July 25, 2013
Associated Press
TOPEKA, Kan. – A Topeka man being pursued for child support by the state after he donated sperm to a lesbian couple is asking a judge to rule in his favor before a trial…
– argued in his motion that the court should apply well-settled law to conclude that the sperm donor contract in Marotta’s case is valid and enforceable.
He also asked that the court find Marotta is not the girl’s father and that he has no responsibility to pay any child support or other expenses related to the child…
Read more: https://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/25/kansas-sperm-donor-asks-for-judgment-without-trial/?
Ironic that Michael McDermott coins phrases like “the campaign to Exterminate the Hated ‘Y-DNA BioManPigOppressor’ of the Patriarchy” and then invokes Orwellianism. Really? people talk like that nowadays?
YFC, you’d’a have had to have done read literature back in your college days to understand literature. Tell you what; I’ll translate for you. McD is telling you to turn from sin and pick up your cross and follow Jesus.
Dear CCD Moderators:
I write to ask that you consider offering an “Ignore” function for posters on this board, such as many other systems use. I believe this would greatly enhance the utility and enjoyment of this system, and allow individuals to remove Trolls they consider as needless clutter.
One Anonymous Troll operating in volume here may well be the product of what is known as ‘Troll by Committee” – where a group of political (Anti-Catholic) activists share a link and all take turns impersonating a fabricated Troll – according to Alinskyite guidelines for disrupting and trashing message boards.
Given that this Anonymous Troll continues to harass me by the pretense of maintaining a first / last name relationship – and this can Confuse other readers who will then accept the Troll as a Valid ‘debate’ source, when they are just getting a repeat of canned political propaganda designed to make the board uninteresting.
This includes the inducement to ostensibly ‘private’ flame wars – and again fill the board with off topic drivel of no interest to anyone – save the Alinskyite Trolls.
Hence – I ask that you provide a method to simply Ignore the Trolls – and thus stop the ongoing attempts to fill the forum with flames – so as to burn it down for all.
I do not want to engage in exchanges with Anonymous Trolls – and would rather not have to scroll past their attempts to pretend otherwise by imitating a one sided ‘exchange’, when it is easier and more permanent to ignore such scams.
No committee here Michael McDermott just me here to remind you that filibustering doesn’t work and calling names is a transparent attempt to obfuscate. When you attempt to spread lies you get real people like me ready to stand up for the truth. Sorry you find that so hard to take that you want to silence me.
My labeling is not to obfuscate but to ring your bell, YFC.
Michael McDermott and Skai good comments…
Michael is a real voice for sanity and truth, Abeca. I look forward to his posts and am going to copy some of the replies because they contain so much information, I could never remember half of it!’
Skai will always be that pickup truck he described himself to be when I first started writing here. He said he loved to drive though picnics and unbalance people or something of that nature, with their lunches flying. haha.
So true Dana I appreciate good men like them. They are real men…the homosexuals are envy with pride and hate that about them…they only wish to be half the men that they are.
I would feel more safe and protected by men like Michael, Skai, Mr. Fisher etc etc…..the list goes on, they are noble. I look in anyone if they fear the Lord, even traces of it because that is usually a good indication of their goodness and true love for our Lord.
Dana, a few years ago I drove my 4×4 down to the sheriff substation to get a fixit ticket signed off. A gaggle of old retired deputies was hanging out, so in my unsanctimonious manner, I told them I never drove over 25 mph across the beautiful gold course greens nearby.
“beautiful golF … golf … course greens” … they ’bout fell off their chairs laughing (while I made my getaway).
Michael, I just use my scroll and zip by all of Francis’ posts and I’m sure he does mine as well. There are all types here, but I must say Catherine seems to have some sort of sixth sense about when people are not who they say they are. One day MarkA replied to something and I remember saying, “Mark would never say something like that! It doesn”t even sound like him”. ..or something like that. But I tend to believe people are who they say they are. As you may have gathered, I tend to be a really credulous person, and the only thing I can sense is when a person is evil, and I usually have to be in the vicinity and pick up “vibes’ or something. It’s just creepy, and I’m glad it doesn’t happen very often because they can always tell I can see through them and they always turn and really ‘look’ at me with ill intent. I have a way of tuning them out…Hail Mary full of grace…We have so many weapons at our command!
Dana – I have been around the internet for a Long time – Not Before Horation Algore invented the thing of course, but back when William Gibson described it and Hacking (“Burning Chrome”…) I saw the potential for Thought Policing inherent in what everyone seemed to presume would lead to ‘free speech’.
As we have been met with a new era of Censorship in ‘news’ (tv. papers…), so too internet message boards, although it can take different forms. When AOL / AWOL (American Womyn On Line) first formed they had message boards for “Women’s Issues & Men’s Issues” – soon morphing in to the interactive Womyn’s Network and No Boards for Men’s Issues….
Except for a strange ghost in the machine called the “Men’s Civil Rights Board” – which despite being denied to even exist by AWOL, was the most actively posted board in the system for a long time (I was one of ‘the Few’ with a link).
The Reason it was so active – Troll Attacks by the twysted systerhood that went on night and day to wear it out, including complaints and mau mauing of all different sorts.
It was curious, in an Orwellian kind of way, watching AOL discuss complaints about a Men’s Board that officially didn’t exist, with outraged Harpy dumpers from the Existing Womyn’s sections – without mentioning why they provided a double standard of service based on gender.
One of the favorite strategies of the ‘Resident Harpies’ was to instigate Flame Wars BAMN – hoping to create a general conflagration that would make the on topic posts get lost in the blizzard of personal attacks.
Another tack was to provide ‘E-Diot’ posts (possibly with a pre-programmed response system – that generates Generic Negative responses… The Pre-Canned ‘No’) – such as to again fill up the message board with off topic drivel or simple denials – that presumably nobody was going to waste time sifting through to get to the nuggets of gold.
The Anonymous Troll posts on this board seem to follow those paths (particularly the ‘Auto-Denialer’ function), and do not seek to further advance any understanding of either side …
– but rather are simply of the infantile ‘Nyah Nyah – I know you are but what am I’ type childish tantrum theater… Which is only effective if others play along.
For Myself – I shall of course nobly take the sunlight path above such midden heaps of the pseudo self righteous, and simply say – Tap Tap No Erasies on the Board. Pfffbbbbttt!!
You get my drift… Dontcha?
Indeed I do. I like your ‘sunlight path above such midden heaps’. Pure poetry. I getcha drift! Kablooie! Dose men don’t got no cultcha!
That is one funny story, Skai. I’ll bet you give your community a lot of fodder for tales about you…you are one big rascal!
In Russia they spurn gay’s like modern day leper’s…pariah’s if you will…gay’s need support, not rejection and recrimination from hothead’s who don’t understand!
Here we go again, gays trying to liken their sin to a disease. Jesus made it very clear that disease in not from sin. He explained this when he healed a basket case … literally.
Perhaps Russia does not want sodomite destroying their culture as they have done here….
Buddha, I thought you were trying to seek help in leaving the ssculture. Do you not see the harm and destruction that your lifestyles have wrought? Sometimes I think the ss attraction problem is more that of a sociopathic problem rather than one of a sexual perversion. None of you seems to show any remorse or concern for the rest of society. I find this reprehensible and wicked. It is this lack of conscience that causes many homosexual men to be sexual predators to children. And there is no cure for these people. Why doesn’t the homosexualist community police themselves if what yfc claims, that that is not usual?
Dana, how would you like for us to police ourselves? If you read any gay papers or blogs or facebook pages, you would know that the gay community is the strongest voice against sexual abuse and those who cover it up, whether is among Priests or Penn State coaches or international child traffickers. If you have some specific “self policing” idea, I’m happy to listen.
Today, Ariel Castro pled guilty and was sentenced to life in prison, pluse 937 years after that. What did you do to self-police one of your own heterosexuals? Probably nothing. Because you know that those who commit these horrendous actions, whether gay or straight, are a very small minority of their “community”, and people who do these horrible things don’t go around advertising in Newsweek or Time magazine.
The gay community is the bottom of the barrel of deceit, YFC. There is nothing noble, decent, good, or honorable in the gay community.
I have to say, it’s happening everywhere, yfc! In our small town, almost every week there’s a picture of some evil looking neanderthal that has molested a child plastered on the front page. Satan is growing stronger. People can say all they want that it’s no worse than it ever was and it’s just being exposed now, but statistically without a doubt these appalling evils are increasing. It could be access to the internet, or more violent television shows, etc. but whatever it is, we’re in for some very dark times. I may have mentioned this before, but being a white male from Ohio is part of the FBI profiling on serial killers. Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahlmer to name a few! I have no idea what is that makes men so evil. Dahlmer said he had been deep into satanism, but what got him into it in the first place I have no idea.
Eddie might face disciplinary action for illegally going around the county counsel to file this case.:
“San Diego Supervisor Ron Roberts announced yesterday that Ernest J. Dronenburg, the San Diego County Clerk who recently asked the California Supreme Court to halt gay marriages state-wide, will be the subject of a special meeting of the county’s board of supervisors to be held next week. Roberts said in a statement posted on Facebook,
As Assessor/Recorder/County Clerk, Ernest Dronenburg is an independently elected official. I strongly disagree with his decision to file this lawsuit and his subsequent public statements. He is acting on his own, without any direction or consultation from the Board of Supervisors, which was made clear last Friday in a statement I issued and a joint statement on behalf of the entire Board. We will be reviewing this matter with county attorneys during a closed session next week.
Perhaps of particular concern to the board is the question of whether Dronenburg violated the County’s Administrative Code of ordinances by hiring Charles LiMandri of Rancho Santa Fe, a vocal supporter of Prop. 8., to represent his petition before the court when the code states that only the County Counsel can be hired for legal services that serve “county purposes.” According to The San Diego Union-Tribune, Dronenburg insists that because San Diego’s County Counsel Tom Montgomery rejected his initial petition it was permissible for him to seek outside counsel.”
He is elected directly by the voters, and is thus responsible to them, not to other politicians or bureaucrats … just like the county sheriff is elected by the voters and not appointed like police chiefs and similar bureaucrats. The wonderful nature of the three part balance of powers govt system we have is that the executive branch can choose to enforce or not enforce laws. If the people approve then he or she stays in office.
Lifesite presents a rather different, and far more upbeat take on the SSAD Attack on Society via ‘marriage’, and is a worthy addition to the discussion:
“Never, never, never give up: the defense of marriage today
(Lifesite News – BY THE EDITORS)
July 25, 2011 (Breakpoint.org) – Is it time for the “marriage battleground” to shift to religious freedom?
That’s the question posed by a recent Christianity Today article in the wake of New York’s approval of same-sex “marriage.” According to University of Virginia law professor Douglas Laycock, the answer is “Yes.” He says, “Religious conservatives who advocate traditional marriage must shift their focus to fighting for religious freedom.”
That’s because Laycock and, sadly, many others mistakenly believe in the inevitability of same-sex “marriage.”
They think that the best Christians can do now is make sure gay “marriage” laws at least provide a modicum of protection for the freedoms of those of us who believe in traditional marriage.
Yes, same-sex “marriage,” so-called, poses a grave threat to religious freedom.
There have already been cases where photographers and others have been sued for refusing to participate in same-sex “wedding” ceremonies. Catholic Charities in several states has been pushed out of the adoption business because they only place children with a married mom and dad. Make no mistake: protecting religious freedom is a major priority.
But this is exactly why abandoning the battle over traditional marriage is foolish and dangerous. My colleague and Princeton professor Robert George sums it up perfectly: “If you ask,” he said, “‘What can be done going forward around the country to protect religious liberty?’ the answer is this:
Win the fight to preserve the legal definition of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife. Period.”
Remember: What the state gives, the state can also take away.
The religious freedom protection in the New York bill, for example, is poorly drafted and vague.
What will it protect? Who will it protect? For how long? We can’t say at this point, and once it gets into the courts — and it will get into the courts — it’s even harder to predict.
Second, shifting the debate to religious freedom takes the spotlight off the importance of marriage. As Tom Messner of the Heritage Foundation told National Review, “The marriage debate is first and foremost a debate about the meaning and public purpose of marriage, not a debate about religious freedom. …[E]ven if same-sex marriage posed no threats to religious freedom at all, the core reasons to support marriage as one man and one woman remain just as compelling and must be addressed.” Exactly.
Third, as Messner points out, same-sex marriage is not inevitable. “Nearly 30 states,” he says, “have protected marriage in their state constitutions. Nearly 40 states have protected marriage in their statutes.”
And in Maine, after the legislature passed same-sex “marriage,” the voters struck the law down. And although the media elite don’t want you to know it, according to a recent Alliance Defense Fund poll, the majority of Americans want to reserve marriage to one man and one woman.
To give up the fight for marriage now after a few setbacks is crazy. The debate about marriage in America is not over. Now more than ever, Christians need to be equipped to defend marriage and to live out the truth about marriage, sex, and family in our own lives.
This is no time for defeatism or retreat, but for action.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/never-never-never-give-up-the-defense-of-marriage-today/
Groups like SaveCalifornia.com were amongst the Potential Representatives for Prop. 8 who were Not Chosen by the judge to be permitted Standing to Defend the Constitution.
The Denial of Standing cut out those who would have provided many more witnesses and facts for the record, where the chosen party was willing to Stipulate to…
– Absurdity at best, and Lunacy on a genocidal scale in some clear cases – such as the Denial of the clear link between Homo-Anal Coprophile Behaviors and the spreading of Diseases like MRSA, Aids…. Spreading from the Nexus of the “Conga LIne of Buggery” anchored in frisco bay.
They had the following to say about the New Law sitting on ‘catholic’ (small ‘c’) Governor Moonbeam Brown’s Desk awaiting signing:
“Resist the gender bending of children
Coast to coast, Democrat politicians turning boys into girls, girls into boys
Confusing children and warping their God-given genders is the apparent aim of Democrat officials in Sacramento and in Washington, D.C.
1. SACRAMENTO: On the desk of Governor Jerry Brown is AB 1266, which would force K-12 public schools to permit biological boys in girls’ restrooms, showers, clubs, and on girls’ sports teams; and biological girls in boys’ restrooms, showers, clubs, and on boys’ sports teams.
The majority Democrats in the California Legislature easily pushed through this tyrannical bill that tramples parents’ rights and invades the personal comfort zones of millions of California children. It also opens the door to fraud because there are many porn-influenced boys who will do anything to see girls partially or fully naked, including declaring themselves “female” for the day.
AB 1266 mandates this agenda and permits this abuse, reading, “A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”
If signed, AB 1266 would be the 10th sexual indoctrination law mandated upon all children in California K-12 government schools.
TAKE ACTION: Contact Gov. Brown to urge his veto of AB 1266
2. WASHINGTON, D.C.: The Obama administration is bullying government school districts into promoting unnatural, unhealthy, unbiblical, intolerant cross-dressing and “sex changes” to every child on campus.
The latest is a government lawsuit demanding that girls who call themselves boys must be permitted to use boy’s bathrooms, showers, and be in boy’s school clubs and teams. This trampling of parents’ values, children’s innocence, and academic purpose of schools is happening in Arcadia, California, where the school district has already folded to the Obama administration. See the loopy complaint that started it all.
Today, SaveCalifornia.com President Randy Thomasson spoke out strongly for authentic civil rights, Nature, and a child’s best interest in this FoxNews.com story:
DOJ ripped for making transgender restroom use
new front in civil rights battle
FoxNews.com, July 26, 2013
The U.S. Department of Justice’s latest cause — fighting for a transgendered California ninth-grader’s right to use the boy’s room at school — has conservative groups wondering just how far Washington will go in the name of civil rights.
The student was born a girl but “has identified as a boy from a young age,” according to the Department of Justice, which reached a settlement with the public school district in Arcadia, an affluent LA suburb. Under the deal, the district must not only change the student’s restroom privileges and make similar accommodations on overnight trips. It also must institute a host of measures to ensure transgender students are treated as whatever gender they consider themselves to be.
Randy Thomasson, president of SaveCalifornia.com, said Attorney General Eric Holder is off-base in pushing the case as a matter of civil rights.
“Eric Holder needs to reread the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and find out that civil rights are based on an unchangeable, immutable characteristic,” Thomasson said.
“You cannot change your genes or your gender. You have chromosomes and they are either XX or XY.
This is a girl who has been environmentally warped to believe she is a boy, and, instead of coddling this confused child, her parents should have gotten her into counseling with an expert on gender confusion.”
You give good information and they are factual. I really appreciate Randy Thomasson from SaveCalifornia.com He a good man and pray that Catholics would learn from his good example to tell it like it is.
Lots of good comments and even more sophistry here. As this site is from a catholic perspective, 1st divine revelation, and then church teaching are the only criteria of any value, all else is mere human opinion.
As catholics we must adhere to God’s law, and not allow this world to enter our church, as it will no doubt try in the name of tolerance. To not do so is to deny Him.
Chas W, you’ve got it bass ackwards, dude. The Church is commissioned to enter the world (“The Light shines in the darkness”), and Jesus is greater than the Law … you do not “adhere” to Jesus, you follow Him and through the Holy Eucharist you unite with God, ie you become one with God.