Solemn High Mass in the Dominican rite
Monday, March 20, 5:30 pm
For the feast of St. Joseph
St. Dominic Church
2390 Bush St.
San Francisco 94115
(This Mass is one of the series of Dominican Rite Masses being celebrated at St. Dominic’s every Monday during Lent, until Monday of Passion Week.)
St. Albert the Great Priory Chapel
Dominican Rite Missae Canatae
(sung Masses in Latin
Saturdays, 10:30 am
April 1, May 13
6170 Chabot Rd.
Oakland 94618
(The priory of St. Albert the Great is the House of Studies of the Western Dominican Province. St. Albert the Great Priory Chapel is located at 6170 Chabot Road, Oakland, CA 94618, with ample parking available on the street or the basketball court parking lot.)
The Dominican Rite is the liturgy of the Order of Friars Preachers, as it was in force from the thirteenth century until the late 1960s. The Dominican Order had its own proper Missal and Breviary, along with several other liturgical books, that were part and parcel of its conventual life and preaching mission. The Dominican Rite Mass was the form used by countless friars over the centuries, including most of the familiar Dominican saints. Its ethos and prayers are an invaluable part of the Dominican spiritual patrimony.
There are three ways of celebrating a Mass of this rite.
A Missa Cantata, literally sung Mass, is one three ways of celebrating a Mass in the older form. It is celebrated with multiple servers and a choir and shows the beauty of the rite. The Missa Cantata falls between a low Mass, which has only one server, no singing, and is notably quiet, and the Solemn High Mass, where a priest, a deacon, and a sub deacon all have parts.
More on the Dominican Rite here.
We ubered to St. Dominic church and our driver said “I’ve been Catholic all my life and I never knew this Church was here.”
It’s a gem.
Wait. So there were various forms of the Mass prior to Vatican II? That’s right…the Dominicans had their form and the Carthusians had their form (and still do) and the Chaldeans had their form and on and on and on. Gee, I guess I had better share with my “latinista” friends that the TLM is not the only valid form of the Holy Mass and isn’t the “Mass of all ages.”
Why not try to attend a beautiful, holy Latin Mass in the Dominican Rite? The Dominicans have their own Dominican Rosary, too– why not try to attend their Rosary, also? The Catholic Church is ancient, and rich in her Sacred Traditions. Ignore whoever are the strange, new extremist goofball crackpots– their strange “Catholic fads” that you hear of, will soon be forgotten. I have actually never met any of them. Just appreciate our rich Catholic patrimony, and ignore them.
I also would not agree that the TLM is the ‘only valid form of the Holy Mass’. But, didn’t someone (maybe in Rome?) recently claim that the Novus Ordo is the ‘unique expression of the Roman Rite’? That doesn’t sound right either. In fact, as I attended an Anglican Ordinariate Mass yesterday, I’m sure it’s not right. Maybe someone should inform the Vatican?
The Anglican Use is an authorized form of the reformed Roman Rite. In other words, the Anglican Use falls under the umbrella of the Novus Ordo.
Abolish the TLM in parishes.
Dominicans can have their venerable rite. So can other ancient religious orders.
There will come a time when the FSSP and the ICKSP will be abolished because their founding is post-Conciliar, yet they are constitutionally attached to the pre-Conciliar liturgy, which is an incongruity.
Regular parishes should only celebrate the Novus Ordo liturgy.
No, the holy Latin Tridentine Mass cannot be “abolished.”
Its use can be forbidden by an edict from the Holy See, and that will happen eventually because it’s part of the overall plan of the liturgical renewal. Of course, your beloved SSPX won’t adhere to such an edict, but they are largely outside communion with the church anyway already.
The days of the TLM are numbered. The sun is setting on the TLM. Not game over yet, but it’s the fourth quarter and the TLM is way behind the Novus Ordo.
You cannot “abolish” 2,000 years of Catholic history and worship. Catholics have a right to all of their tremendous heritage. Pope Benedict was correct about that.
Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium, declared that the Missal in use at that time — the TLM — should be generally restored. See #21 of that document. Vatican II decreed that a reformed liturgy replace the then existing liturgy, which was the TLM. So Vatican II sought to abolish the TLM as the authorized liturgical form for the Roman Rite, and the world’s bishops nearly unanimously consented in communion with Pope Paul VI.
2,000 years of Catholic history and worship were not abolished; they were expressed anew in the reformed Novus Ordo liturgy. The TLM as a liturgical form was supposed to have been abolished once the new form, the reformed liturgy, was duly authorized and promulgated.
Obey the living magisterium, obey Vatican II and Pope Francis: celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass.
No. The beautiful, holy Tridentine Latin Mass can only be restricted. Not abolished.
It was reformed.
You have gotten the quote wrong. You are also interpreting it wrong.
You attended yesterday the Anglican Use of the Roman Rite.
Why does it seem you’re reticent to cite Pope Francis saying, “The liturgical books promulgated by Saint Paul VI and Saint John Paul II, in conformity with the decrees of Vatican Council II, are the unique expression of the lex orandi of the Roman Rite?”
(Traditionis Custodes Art. 1)
The other rites of the Latin (Roman) Church are not the Roman Rite. They are the Dominican, Ambrosian, Hispano-Mozarabic Rite and a few other rites.
You make an excellent point about the Anglican Use Masses, which are beautiful and reverent. That Mass is a “use” of the Roman Rite. So, it’s clear that the Novus Ordo is not the only expression of the Roman Rite.
Sometime rites and uses (and even Churches, as someone mentioned the Chaldeans above) get confused.
The Roman Catholic Church has more than 2,000 years of history. Best to get a very good education in the Catholic Faith. In the Western, Latin Rite Church, there are currently THREE different expressions of the Roman Rite: the Novus Ordo Mass and Sacraments, the Latin Tridentine Mass and Sacraments, and the Anglican Use Mass and Sacraments. In May, our Archbishop will hold a large Traditional Latin Tridentine
Confirmation Rite for children. It will be very beautiful and very holy. The children and parents are very excited.
The liturgical legislation Traditionis Custodes and subsequent clarifications forbid Confirmation to be celebrated according to the preconciliar liturgical books. Your archbishop will sin and possibly commit a schismatic act if he celebrates Confirmation according to the obsolete and prohibited former ritual.
And you left out the Zaire Use in the Novus Ordo of the Roman Rite.
The TLM is permitted only by way of charitably and pastorally tolerating it for the time being, for the temporary spiritual good of those who do not yet understand or accept the importance of the church unifying in celebrating the Novus Ordo. The TLM will be phased out of use and decommissioned.
Get thee to a good education indeed, and get thee to a Novus Ordo liturgy.
Reply to Rocky, It might be helpful for clarity to use the term Latin Church (for the Western Church) and Roman Rite. As an Eastern Catholic, we are separate sui juris (particular) Churches of the one Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is not synonymous with the Roman Catholic Church. (Example: we all follow the “Catechism of the Catholic Church.” It is more than the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church.) We have different rites, but it is more than that. The Latin Church has some varied rites, like those mentioned by Rocky above. I hope to maybe sometime worship at one of the Dominican rite Masses, since they’re here in the Bay Area. And, I was blessed to once attend a Mass of the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter (Anglican Use) in Orange County.
What year was the RCC founded?
Abp. Cordileone deserves tremendous respect.
Have you ever attended an Anglican Use Mass, at an Anglican Ordinariate church? It is perfectly fine for Greg the Geologist to use the term, “Anglican Ordinariate Mass.”
A great grasp of the situation Greg the Geologist.
I would love to attend an Anglican Ordinariate Mass! Hope someday, there is a church of theirs, nearby!
Those who go to the Traditional Latin Masses already know that. In fact, the Dominicans come and help at the Traditional Latin Masses approved by our bishop. God bless them.
May Blessed Diana d’Andalo and Blessed Jordan of Saxony pray for us.
This reply was meant for Bernard at 12:18 pm.
By the way the expression “Mass of the Ages” only means it was the Latin mass developed slowly over the ages in the western church until Vatican II. Changes came in slowly to counteract various heresies.
I wouldn’t want to make him go volcanic, but apparently Greg is a bit sedimentary about the rudiments of the various rites of the Catholic Church. Not all liturgies celebrated in Latin belong to the Latin Rite and not all liturgies celebrated by the Latin Rite are in Latin. It’s not that they metamorphed into one another, it’s just the way the Tridentine Mass allowed other ancient rites to persist even as it was declared the primary form of liturgy in parishes in the Latin Rite.
Excellent. Not enough geological terms (most from the Greek) on this site… But just as ‘other ancient rites’ (forms of the Western liturgy) persisted after Trent due to their antiquity, so too can the Extraordinary Form persist alongside the Ordinary Form, as Pope Benedict wisely arranged. Here’s a postconciliar concept for you: Let the people decide. They can vote with their feet. I rarely attend the Extraordinary Form, but it’s valuable to have it in use, with healthy and dedicated congregations, even if small, both as a valid option and as a point of reference to encourage the Ordinary Form to be celebrated reverently. I suspect, but do not know, that many here calling for the suppression of the Extraordinary Form are “Stuck in the Sixties”. I lived through all that and don’t want to repeat it. Suggestion for all: if you can, attend the Mass or Divine Liturgy at least once in as many of the Catholic traditions that are available in your area or in your travels. We need a greater appreciation for the richness of Catholic worship in all its catholicity.
CCC 1124The Church’s faith precedes the faith of the believer who is invited to adhere to it. When the Church celebrates the sacraments, she confesses the faith received from the apostles – whence the ancient saying: lex orandi, lex credendi (or: legem credendi lex statuat supplicandi, according to Prosper of Aquitaine [5th cent.]).45 The law of prayer is the law of faith: the Church believes as she prays. Liturgy is a constitutive element of the holy and living Tradition.46
1125 For this reason no sacramental rite may be modified or manipulated at the will of the minister or the community. Even the supreme authority in the Church may not change the liturgy arbitrarily, but only in the obedience of faith and with religious respect for the mystery of the liturgy.
1126 Likewise, since the sacraments express and develop the communion of faith in the Church, the lex orandi is one of the essential criteria of the dialogue that seeks to restore the unity of Christians.47
IV. THE SACRAMENTS OF SALVATION
I say, an important point here is the Pope’s call for unity in the Church which is respected by the Dominicans. Those Dominican friars you see in the picture, though they are knowledgeable of the Dominican rite and celebrate it (which is a variant of the Roman Rite), are also knowledgeable of, and celebrate the Holy Mass using the Missal of Pope Paul VI. That’s an important distinction. In other words, unlike the beloved SSPX and the other ex-Ecclesia Dei communities (such as the beloved FSSP and the Institute), these Dominican friars generally do not fear the “Novus Ordo” nor do they shy away from it nor belittle it, but rather these Dominicans, I would tend to think, offer the Missal of Pope Paul VI on a more regular basis than their own Dominican variant.
jon, SSPX is not Catholic. Our generous and merciful Pope has given them faculties to absolve sins in Communion and to witness marriages with a representative from the diocese. He did this because so many Catholics have become so confused by them that they would not even go to confession in a real Catholic Church. He has had mercy on their poor souls which is the answer to many prayers.
But we have seen in some of the comments here that some who attend have taken this as validation that the SSPX order is a part of the Church. It is not.
The SSPX are a Catholic group with disagreements over some Vatican II matters– and have been in discussions with the Vatican to resolve these issues and their status. This is very clear to everyone. You fail to understand, that papal favorites like Cdl. Hollerich (a cardinal of the Pope’s C9 group) Fr. James Martin, Abp. Paglia, Cdl. Cupich, Cdl. McElroy– and many others– who support the LGBT agenda, deny Catholic teaching on reception of Holy Communion, express desire to change Catholic teaching in the Catechism on Marriage and sexual morality—- are the true un-Catholic dissidents, destructive to Catholic teaching, and to the Catholic Church. By contrast, although the SSPX has some issues with the Second Vatican Council– they are faithful to upholding traditional Catholic teaching in the Catechism– except for some Vatican II issues they question– and that is all.
“[T]hey [SSPX] are faithful to upholding traditional Catholic teaching in the Catechism.” No they’re not. They’re not faithful to the tradition of the Church as handed down by the Magisterium. It is only the Magisterium that is the authentically hands down and determines which aspects of Catholic tradition to be observed. And then you have “except for some Vatican II issues they question-that is all.” Do not minimize the heresy and the disobedience of the beloved SSPX. They are truly “wolves and sheep’s clothing,” by deceiving and leading astray Catholics, not telling them that their sacraments are illicit, illegitimate.
The SSPX only has one area of concern– a few disagreements about Vatican II. Many in today’s top clerical Church leadership, state that they agree with Vatican II– but are heretical and immoral Churchmen, who fail to protect the innocent from sex predators– like Fr. Rupnik. Many want gay sex and gay marriage, speak of changing the Catechism on sexuality and the Sacrament of Marriage– and favor women’s ordination to the priesthood. Plus, the Pontifical Academy for Life has been destroyed– and now accepts birth control and abortion, in complete contradiction of Catholic teaching. All the poor SSPX group ever did– was stick up for the Catholic Faith against Progressive, Modernist ideologies– questioning a few things about Vatican II. The Church we have today, was taken from its original Jewish source, anyway, and adapted as the State religion of Rome– with much legalism to support it, as an arm of the Roman government.
“Reply” is wrong. The beloved SSPX does not accept the entirety of the teachings of an ecumenical council, which is the highest form of legislation in the Church, namely the documents of Vatican II. What do you call a Catholic who does not accept the entirety of Trent, or Nicea, or Ephesus? A heretic. Therefore, the problem of the beloved SSPX should not be minimized, which is what “Reply” is doing here. The problem of the beloved SSPX is severe. Their problem is doctrinal, as Pope Benedict judged. Their problem is their heresy. Their priests peddle illicit sacraments to Catholics. Beware, people. You should doubt that divine graces flow through the “sacraments” of this heretical group, the beloved SSPX.
The SSPX has no ministry in the Catholic Church. Their priests are all suspended.
No faithful Catholic group has disagreements with the Vatican – by definition.
If we want to worship in the real language of traditional Christian Liturgy, we need to go back to the very beginning of the Church and see that they worshipped in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and the apostles/disciples.
The Maronite Rite (from Lebanon, Syria) still uses it today.
Along with Greek, as Christianity spread Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Latin, etc. was used. The language of the Mass, from the beginning was always in the vernacular, the language used and understood by the people of the region until Rome made Latin the official language for universality.
I’ve been to Latin Masses, Maronite and Chaldean Liturgies, Masses in Spanish and German, etc., but as a convert, I prefer the Liturgy in English (my native language) so I can worship and understand what I’m following along with, yet….to each their own.
When Christianity was accepted as the formal State religion of Rome, the Christian religion was structured and formalized, as a part of the Roman government. Latin became the universal language, along with some Greek. People in areas conquered by Rome, according to Roman tradition, were also allowed to keep some of their pwn customs. We have the remnant of this State religion of Rome, in the Roman Catholic Church– which has came down to us, all through the centuries.
The Catholic Church today, still allows ethnic groups who are Catholic, to keep some of their own customs. Every year at Chinese New Year, for example, there is a big Mass, with all the Asian customs regarding the celebration of the Lunar New Year. Indians of the Americas also still retain some of their centuries-old customs, as Catholics.
Neither of those things are appropriate at Mass, before, during, or after in the church. Mass is not a venue for celebrating other things and not a venue for celebrating ethnic or cultural customs. It is for celebrating the Paschal Mystery.
Lunar New Year is not liturgical nor Catholic.
Indian customs are not liturgical nor Catholic.
Keep those things out of Mass. Put on a show in the hall before a communal dinner, if you want, but don’t do it at Mass nor in the church.
Don’t celebrate St. Patrick’s Day with any traditional Irish customs, then. Many bishops have granted the faithful to eat Irish dinners on St. Patrick’s Day (with traditional meat dishes) this year, because it falls on a Lenten Friday. And don’t attend any traditional Native American/Mexican celebrations, on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Where have you been? No knowledge at all of ethnic customs integrated with our Catholic Faith? For example– this St. Patrick’s Day, many bishops are allowing the Catholic faithful to eat traditional Irish dinners (with meat) because St. Patrick’s Day falls on a Lenten Friday this year. And another example– the celebrations for Our Lady of Guadalupe always involve ancient Native American/Mexican customs. Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared in the form of an Indian princess to St. Juan Diego. What do you think of that?? Our Lord was a devout, “kosher” Jew, with 613 daily Jewish Laws, and many Jewish customs… like the Passover. He was the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. His religion was adapted for use for the Roman Empire, as the State religion of Rome.
The Mass has always been kept pure, by the Vatican– but ethnic celebrations and customs are allowed before and after Mass. Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared to St. Juan Diego as an Indian princess. Of course– Christ’s Mother was a very holy Jewish woman. Christianity began as a Jewish religious sect, and was eventually adopted as the State religion of Rome– with some Roman cultural characteristics, as the Roman people were pagans, and not Jews.
My comment of March 15 at 1:57pm was supposed to be a reply to “For the hall”
My comment of March 15, at 2:42pm, was supposed to be a reply to “For the hall.”
People, you don’t eat Irish dinners in church. His point stands: keep the ethnic and cultural stuff away from church, away from the Mass. The Mass is the Mass. Do whatever you want outside of Mass.
Besides, corned beef and cabbage is gross. I’d rather abstain from meat than eat that stuff.
You are quite right. Janus is the god of January in the western secular calendar. Should we celebrate the pagan god Janus at mass? Of course not. Should we celebrate the zodiac signs such as Taurus the bull or Aquarius the water bearer at a mass? Of course not. Neither should we celebrate the eastern zodiac signs, such as dragons, snakes and horses. We should use only the distinctly Christian symbols such as the Lamb of God or Lion of Judah for Christ and certain symbols for the saints. Learn the distinctions.
You and For the hall should know, that of course the ethnic celebrations are not a part of the Mass! How ridiculous to even think that! For example– you have your Irish dances and songs and etc., and corned beef dinner– after Mass. And maybe a parade before Mass. That is quite normal! Be sure to wear green tomorrow, for St. Patrick’s Day!
The first Mass was probably in Hebrew as it was used for Temple worship. Hebrew and Greek words are still used, and probably always were used, in the TLM — the Kyrie is Greek and words like Sabaoth are Hebrew. I doubt the other rites use only one language either but included Hebrew, Greek or Latin in some of their liturgies. People borrow from other languages all the time. The Anglican Use Catholic prayerbooks still use the Latin titles for the Psalms. “De Profundis, Ecce Nunc & Laetatus sum” are examples. The sign over the cross was written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin, the three sacred languages.
Does to each their own include rapping the homily?
https://t.me/Catholicarena/4122
A good article explaining the evolution of the language used in Mass:
https://uscatholic.org/articles/201006/when-did-we-start-celebrating-mass-in-latin/
I like Taylor Marshall’s moves better, (Laughter), but he has too much respect for Christ to do that nonsense at a Mass.
My apologies. My post March 14 at 10:01 pm was meant to be put under the post by “Rapping” on March 14, 2023 at 3:19 pm. I never meant for it to be posted under the video about the Traditional Latin Mass. Sorry for the confusion.