The following comes from a Sept. 5 story by David Gibson of Religious News Service.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan’s positive reaction to this week’s decision by organizers of New York’s annual St. Patrick’s Day parade to allow gay groups to march under their own banners initially drew charitable responses in many Catholic Church circles.
But it didn’t take long for conservative church critics to turn.
After initially signaling his grudging acceptance, William Donohue of the Catholic League came back with a revised view when he realized that more than one gay group could be allowed to march in the future.
“The goal of these activists, supported by the corporate elite, is to neuter the religious element of the parade,” Donohue said. “This is an Irish-Catholic parade, and if what comes after the hyphen is cut, so will the parade’s support, beginning with the Catholic League.”
The St. Patrick’s Day parade is closely identified with Irish-Catholicism but it is not a church-sanctioned event.
In his statement welcoming the decision of parade organizers to accept a gay and lesbian contingent from NBC, which broadcasts the event, Dolan stressed New York’s archbishops have never “determined who would or would not march in this parade.”
Maybe not, but the late Cardinal John O’Connor made it clear in the 1990s that allowing gays to march would be like editing the Apostles’ Creed.
One of the most blistering rips at Dolan and the parade organizers came from a Washington priest, Monsignor Charles Pope, who blogs at the website of the Archdiocese of Washington.
In a column, Pope took aim at the St. Patrick’s Day parade and also the annual Al Smith Dinner hosted by the archbishop of New York and featuring Democratic and Republican presidential nominees.
William Donohue of the Catholic League, who was one of the biggest opponents of gay participation, initially signaled his grudging acceptance: “One would hope that all the new entries will conduct themselves in a manner that honors St. Patrick, lest another round of controversy emerges,” Donohue said. Dolan faced sharp conservative attacks in 2012 for following tradition and inviting President Obama as well as Mitt Romney. This latest move by Dolan was too much for Pope:
“It’s time to cancel the St. Patrick’s Day Parade and the Al Smith Dinner and all the other ‘Catholic’ traditions that have been hijacked by the world,” he wrote. “Better for Catholics to enter their churches and get down on their knees on St. Patrick’s Day to pray in reparation for the foolishness, and to pray for this confused world to return to its senses.”
The Washington archdiocese took Pope’s post down, though it can still be read at the traditionalist website, Rorate Caeli, which called Dolan’s welcome of gays and lesbians to the parade “The St. Patrick’s Day Massacre.”
Rod Dreher, a writer for The American Conservative and a former Catholic-turned-Orthodox, chimed in with a post titled “You’ve Been Dolanized,” in which he said his Catholic friends in New York are very unhappy.
“I wonder how long it’s going to take before (Dolan) realizes that he will have earned no new friends — the people he’s trying to charm are still going to hate him and make fun of him — and alienated the old ones who would have normally been his most loyal ones?” Dreher wrote….
To read the original Religious News Service story, click here.
Well said, Msgr. Pope.
Well, Michael Voris, what took you so long to call for the resignation of Cardinal-Embarrassment Dolan? C. Dolan is not really a Catholic at all, but a bloviating symbol of what is wrong with the leadership in the Catholic Church. Strongly anti-Traditional, notoriously thin-skinned, and outrageously jealous and petty, Cardinal Dolan would be a cartoon character, except for his constant scandal and offensive against the Faith. At some point, Eminence, there is no where to turn, no place to hide — and this is happening now, isn’t it? Not only will real Catholics shun you, but the very people you now embrace — homosexual sexualist advocates — will mock you. Soon you may have the Sisters of the Perpetual Indulgence coming to Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. (What will you do, dear Cardinal, give them communion??) No one should give the NYC Archdiocese a dime, and no one should invite C. Dolan to any function, as he is a buffoon, in shepherd’s clothing. What was it you said to footballer, Michael Sams, when he announced is coming out, confessing his addiction to his mortal sin of homosexual sex activity? “Bravo,” it was; but there are no “Bravos” for you, dear Cardinal, except from Satan, and his demon pals. Wait, not true, Gov. Cuomo, along with his communion-loving live-in mistress also wish you well. Perhaps, if you resign, there will be a spot on the Board of Planned Parenthood, or one of the many homosexual organizations that you hold dear. Time to resign Cardinal Dolan, or go join the Episcopalians, which is where you are anyway, on your own faith-journey. They like all the things you do, including dress-up, and no one can say bad things about you because everything goes, and all is OK (except for people of Faith, who need to be dealt with severely).
If only he read your post, St Chris. Wow! I do think we should send money directly to Church of the Holy Innocents or St Michaels (both under dear Fr Rutler) for their maintainance though. Even Bill Donahue is changing his tune. I couldn’t believe when I got the email saying he was in agreement with Cd Dolan. He’s spent the past year doing nothing but trying to make Guiness pay for supporting the homosexuals forcing this issue. Cd Dolan is bringing shame and sorrow to the Church.
Here is a link to the CMTV episode calling for Resignation of Cardinal Dolan, and worth the watch in itself:
“Wicked Bishops 09-08
Resign Cardinal Dolan. Resign now for the sake of your soul….”
BREAKING: NYC St. Patrick?s Day Parade Goes Gay – Dolan Cheers!
Wicked Bishops 09-08
15 And as he sat at table in his house, many tax collectors and sinners were sitting with Jesus and his disciples; for there were many who followed him.
Mark 2:16 And the scribes of the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, said to his disciples, “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
17 And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
The Pharisees were bigger sinners than those they were complaining about.
Good grief what did you expect from the “laughing” Cardinal that’s all Dolan does is laugh laugh laugh, remember the Al Smith dinner with the “imposter in chief” sitting next to him? I want a tough as cookies Cardinal who defends the Holy Faith, not a laughing boy such as him. Remember he has been trying to close Holy Innocents Church which has the regular celebration of The Traditional Latin Mass. Pray for Msrg. Pope because Archbishop Wuerl of Washington D.C. is going to pulverize him because Wuerl is from the same modernist mold as Dolan is and they both HATE The Traditional Latin Mass!!
I have a feeling that none of you who have criticized him have even met him.
Whatever you think of this or him, is your business. But he is not violating a command of Jesus and you are.
Whatever you think Anonymous, Monsignor Pope is calling out what should be the best in Cardinal Dolan. BTW It was Cardinal Dolan who went on National T.V. to tell the world that he gossips with Norah O’Donnell and that the Cardinals are very susceptible gossipers too.
Please Google and click to watch the CBS interview.
“CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK, SAYS THAT POPE FRANCIS’ HOMILY ABOUT AVOIDING GOSSIP AND SECRECY IN THE COLLEGE OF CARDINALS WAS “RIGHT ON TARGET” – ON “CBS THIS MORNING” CARDINAL DOLAN TELLS CO-HOSTS CHARLIE ROSE, NORAH O’DONNELL AND GAYLE KING? “HE’S HONEST, HE’S PROPHETIC, HE’S A GOOD SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR, HE’S OUR FATHER, AND HE’S CALLING OUT WHAT’S BEST IN US”
” Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, said that Pope Francis’ homily to the College of Cardinals at the Consistory in Rome over the weekend was “right on target” in urging the cardinals to avoid intrigue, gossip, cliques, favoritism and preferences, in an interview that was broadcast live, today, Feb. 24, 2014 on CBS THIS MORNING (7:00-9:00 AM) on the CBS Television Network.
“Anybody that knows Church history knows that at its best the College of Cardinals has been a great sign of service, even spilling one’s blood in defense of the Gospel,” Dolan told co-hosts Charlie Rose, Gayle King and Norah O’Donnell. “But at its worst, it’s been the location of gossip and intrigue and secrecy and this is not good. Pope Francis is right on target. He’s honest, he’s prophetic, he’s a good spiritual director, he’s our father, and he’s calling out what’s best in us.”
continued from September 8, 2014 at 10:59 pm
Excerpts of the CBS interview are below.
NORAH O’DONNELL: I know you are there for the Cardinal Consistory, where the new cardinals have been put in place. And it was interesting to hear the Pope’s homily where he said may all of us avoid and help others avoid habits and ways of acting typical of a court: intrigue, gossip, cliques, favoritism and preferences. Why do you think he said that?
DOLAN: Well, because we need to hear it. I think human beings in general need to hear it. I need to hear it. And I think the College of Cardinals needs to hear it. Anybody that knows Church history knows that at its best the College of Cardinals has been a great sign of service, even spilling one’s blood in defense of the Gospel. But at its worst, it’s been the location of gossip and intrigue and secrecy, and this is not good. Pope Francis is right on target. He’s honest, he’s prophetic, he’s a good spiritual director, he’s our father, and he’s calling out what’s best in us.
GAYLE KING: And how was the message received? Because I don’t think most people think of cardinals as gossiping.
ROSE: Oh my goodness.
DOLAN: We’re human beings. We’re human beings. And I’m afraid we have all the flaws that any human being has. Norah can tell you that, because she’s had a meal with me. So she knows some of my flaws. But no, we are, we’re very susceptible to it.
Catherine, what is your point? You don’t accept that Church teaching?
Anonymous, It is Cardinal Dolan who does not show the good *actions* of accepting Church teaching by giving poor leadership example but of course you will undermine and attack every messenger who upholds “all” Church teaching.
Here is my point… You wrote, “Whatever you think of this or him, is your business. But he is not violating a command of Jesus and you are.”
You are also wrong! By participating in this parade Cardinal Dolan is violating Jesus’s command “not to scandalize one of these little ones.” How many children and their faithful parents and other people will be scandalized by this open betrayal? You are the Cardinal Wuerl wannabe of CCD attempting to silence all Catholics who expose the crisis of faith within the Church that stems from disobedience, compromise and terrible leadership. Cardinal Wuerl helped to silence Father Guarnizo and you tried to do the very same thing and now you are doing it again. So before you try and silence those who do strive to uphold the teachings of the Church pay attention to the person who just embarrassingly told the nation that he cannot keep his own mouth quiet even while sharing a meal with pro-choice Norah O’Donnell. Unbelievably imprudent! Now he has caused the very cliquish strife and problems that the Pope told the Cardinals to avoid. Cardinal Dolan has joined partnership hands in the secular cliquish, gossiping, intriguing to pagans, pleasing to the devil pagan supporting parade.
continued from September 9, 2014 at 10:05 am
Cardinal Dolan also caused great gossip and cliquish strife when he laughingly photo opted with Obama the modern day Herod Antipas. St. John the Baptist was beheaded, he did not try to be popular and say. “Oh what the heck, I’ll deny my loyal duty to Christ and perhaps even let Herodias have her divorce and remarriage and I’ll even go and dance around at the parade with Salome to show Herod, “Can’t we just all get along?”
Prudence is a gift of the Holy Spirit and this betrayal in leadership is NO gift. It has caused the very cliquish strife, gossip and intrigue that he just admitted he should stop.
It would seem you’re the only one who didn’t grasp Catherine’s point. Catherine consistently defends Church teaching without being emotional or negative…unlike some of us who shall remain nameless Heh
Thank you for your kindness and support! AND most of all thank God for giving you the beautiful gift of such a bright and creative mind that seeks to TRULY serve Him. Your gratitude to God shines through!
Catherine, Cardinal Dolan has never wavered on the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Homosexual sex acts, so-called gay “marriage” and some “rights” that gay persons insist on like adoption are wrong, immoral, gravely immoral. The issue is not the legitimacy of these things. The issue is “How does Jesus Christ want us to treat sinners?” Last I heard, we were supposed to imitate Christ. He did not disdain sinners. He did not refuse to walk with them or eat with them. The Pharisees, scribes, elders (the oh so holier than thou leaders of the Jewish religion) criticized him for it. They were the people that Jesus let have it. They were the ones that Jesus criticized. And they were the ones who arranged His murder. So who is Cardinal Dolan imitating here? Who are you imitating?
A lot of people are offending God by violating the fourth commandment. Priests and bishops are your father. When you attack them, you are attacking God.
it is too bad that people focus so much on sex. They should obey all the commandments.
There are not many people who really take the Faith as seriously as they should.
Catherine, I am still trying to figure out what you are talking about. I really am having trouble understanding you and the gossip thing. Are you saying it is ok to gossip because the Cardinals do it too?
So now you are gossiping about Cardinal Dolan saying that the cardinals gossip and now you are gossiping about a different Cardinal-Whurl and why??????
I like that you talk about the crisis of faith. And that is why I spoke up when so many people are disobeying the Faith. Does it make a difference if you go to hell for breaking the 6th Commandment or the 8th or the 4th. Catholics don’t know the Faith. Why is it OK for you to sin? (Hint: it’s not.) and the fact that you and others use God or religion as an excuse to sin is just plain bunk. It total self-deception. The crisis in faith in the Church is because of the Crisis of Faith in the world. What little the world knows of Jesus Christ is that He loves everyone and He said not to judge. If you can’t do that, you can’t even begin to talk to people about Jesus Christ. I believe you are in a faith crisis and many others here are also. The most conservative person that I ever knew told me that what is wrong with our country is that people no longer know who their betters are. After the 60’s it became chic to criticize those in authority. There is no difference between the Land ‘O Lakes statement and what you do here. Non serviam. . So who then do you really worship? Who do you serve? Do you conform your will to God’s? Or do expect God and His Servants to conform to your will?
“… Priests and bishops are your father. When you attack them, you are attacking God.”
When nothing is done to combat the bad example set by fathers behaving badly or negating their duty, that is not obedience or respect, Anonymous. Hirelings need to be called out as hirelings.
The letter of the law is to respect authority, but the spirit of the law is that authority is meant for our benefit and as such should be respected. That is why when authority is misused to promote error and sin, it needs to be resisted firmly and publicly to counteract the bad example.
“… They were the ones that Jesus criticized. And they were the ones who arranged His murder. So who is Cardinal Dolan imitating here? Who are you imitating?”
Jesus spoke the Truth to the sinners with whom He engaged, Anonymous. He did not hide or flinch in the consistency of His message. Saying, “Bravo,” to a poor soul pridefully embracing the homosexual lifestyle is not imitating Christ. Rather it is cozying up to the Romans for fear of the cross.
So while you cleave to the ‘letter’ that demands a false obedience to false shepherds, try looking to the spirit of what Christ calls us to do. Proclaim the Truth without fear of offending.
For the ones who would gag the Truth, or change it in appearance, if not what is written, are attempting to kill the Truth or at the very least shunt it off in the corner to be scouraged into silence.
IOW: Who are you imitating, Anonymous?
” The crisis in faith in the Church is because of the Crisis of Faith in the world.” = False
Wake up anonymous. Your excuses and tactics are not working. It is the other way around and you know it. As the leadership in the Church goes, the world goes. Just ask those who un-catechized Ted Kennedy.
Are you kidding? Ted Kennedy was looking for a reason. If he hadn’t approached them, what would be? I give you that it is a vicious circle.
Why do think the Vatican used to ban books?
Anonymous, Jesus never told us to support or tolerate Mortal Sin of any kind.
Cardinal Dolan ( and you with your purposeful misquotes of the Bible) are leading people to sin by example and by words.
Regarding the Mortal Sin of SCANDAL –
CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
Mt 18:6; 1 Cor 8:10-13; Mt 7:15.
Also see CCC # 2284, 2286, 2287, 2326.
Dale, your point is well taken. But look at the posts that I was responding to. Monsignor Pope said nothing about the Cardinal. The men that I rebuked said that he was not Catholic and mocked him as a laughing boy. You can disagree with his decision without attacking him.
Is it scandal? Scandal is a behavior or attitude that leads another to sin. I think it’s a stretch. Cardinal Dolan is right with the Church on everything. I think he is more inclined to build bridges, not walls. It may actually lead to some people returning to the Church and becoming right with God. It is not a Catholic parade; it is not a Church parade. I can see where you are coming from, but I don’t know that it would be the sin of scandal. I would have no problem with him removing himself; I don’t know that he made the right decision, and I think Monsignor Pope has a great point about just stopping the unnecessary stuff.
From Monsignor Pope:
Many of you have expressed concern about a blog post I wrote on the St. Patrick’s Day Parade, which was removed. I am grateful for your concern about this and all the issues we discuss here. I removed the post upon further reflection due to the strong nature of the language I had used in parts of it. I apologize if the language I used caused offense.
I remain concerned about the central point of the article, namely, how we as Catholics can effectively engage a culture that increasingly requires us to affirm what we cannot reasonably affirm. There are many prudential decisions involved in the answer to this question, and my intent is not to directly criticize any bishop or diocese. But this is an issue we must all collectively wrestle with as our culture and our faith reach deeper differences.
I am grateful to the Archdiocese of Washington, which has generously sponsored our conversation on this site for five years. I am also grateful to all of you who read and comment. I ask mutual charity and understanding for all parties involved. The beautiful motto of James Cardinal Hickey, who ordained me, rings just now in my heart: Veritatem in Caritate (the truth in charity).
Cardinal Donald Wuerl is Msgr Pope’s boss.
1) supports Sacrilege against the Body and Blood of our Lord;
2) violates Code of Canon Law 915;
3) commits the Mortal Sin of Scandal;
by purposely giving Holy Communion to those publically and obstinate in the state of Mortal Sin. Especially politicians who support and vote for the intrinsic evils of abortion, same-sex sodomy marriage, embryonic stem cell research, and contraception.
In addition, Donald Wuerl breaks Canon 212 #3, which gives all the Faithful to speak out for the good of the Church.
We do not know what Cardinals Donald Wuerl and Timothy Dolan believe.
We do know that it is not all the tenants of the Catholic Faith.
They are two peas in the same pod – ignoring and committing the mortal sin of scandal on a regular basis.
Cardinal Donald Wuerl is Monsignor Pope’s bishop not his boss. If your understanding of the Catholic Church is that small, who are you to sit in judgement on a Cardinal?
I am in agreement with Cardinal Burke. But remember, Cardinal Burke cancelled an appearance in England because he found out that the group he was going to speak for were criticizing the bishops there.
You do not know what the Cardinals believe? You have no reason to think that hey do not hold to the tenants of the Catholic Church and it is a sin against the 8th commandment for you to write what you wrote.
Why are you criticizing anybody else? Get right with God.
Every Bishop controls everything “Catholic” within his own Diocese.
This includes what Priests can do, and who is dismissed from the Diocese.
In this sense the Diocese Bishop is the “boss”.
Wuerl transferred out the Priest who would not give Holy Communion to the two Lesbian Buddhists at a funeral, not that long ago.
Anonymous, as with all of us our actions speak louder than our words – this includes Cardinals and Bishops.
With some of them it is very clear that they do not believe in all the required tenants of the Faith.
When any Cardinal or Bishop supports/promotes the homosexual lifestyle, supports adultery, or supports contraception, etc., and does not state clearly that they are mortal sins, they are not in accord with the Church.
Several Cardinals including Burke have just written a book in opposition to Cardinal Kasper’s heresy on Holy Communion for adulterers.
So don’t play games using your personal opinions – which do not matter.
Cardinal Wuerl owns the Washington DC Diocese (blog). He makes the decisions when there is controversy, not Msgr Pope.
Wuerl probably got a call from his buddy Dolan.
With Dolan’s temper, it was probably not to pretty.
Wuerl is the one who removed the Priest who refused to give Holy Communion at a Catholic funeral to a known lesbian Buddhist and her sexual partner.
It is not clear to me whether Dolan or Wuerl are really Catholic.
We should all stand up against them, and their sinful public actions.
Judas got 30 pieces of silver. Dolan merely gets cheers to boost his pride, and he stamps on anyone under his control who disagrees with him.
So you are calling Monsignor Pope a liar?
No, you are.
Janek, why don’t you like buffoonery ?
Shouldn’t all Cardinals and Bishops act like that ? – especially since they don’t bother to address Mortal sins, final judgment, Hell, etc ?
According to them, there is nothing serious at all in the Church.
And they rarely if ever, tell people to read the CCC.
Msgr. Charles Pope hit the nail right on the head as far as I am concerned. Although I am partially of Irish and French descent, I never go to any of these parades for St. Patrick’s Day or Madre Gras unless they are totally traditional family friendly.. The Madre Gras in San Jose, California, got so bad one year that it turned into a drunken riot with businesses destroyed and a statue of St. Joseph defaced in front of the Cathedral. Can you imagine how that scandalizes people of other faiths, both Christian and non. As far as beer and ale, I used to enjoy one Heineken’s or one Samuel Adams now and then with a Pizza or German food. but not any more.
I should have said in my post that I would never attend such parades unless they were totally tradttional (husband and wife) family friendly since I have never been to such parades at all. We celebrate such feast in Church and at home.
The Smoke of Satan continues to enter the Church!
Dolanized = Compromised
Thank you Monsignor Charles Pope! Veritatem in Caritate (the truth in charity). You were charitable!
Taken from Monsignor Pope’ s 2009 blog. ‘Fraternal Correction: the Forgotten Virtue’
“Fraternal correction, correcting the sinner it prescribed and commanded by scripture. We must resist the shame that the world tries to inflict on us by saying, simplistically, that we are “judging” people. Not all judgment is forbidden, some judgment is commanded. Correction of the sinner is both charitable and virtuous. True enough it is possible to correct poorly or even sinfully.
But if we are to have any shame about fraternal correction it should be that we have so severely failed to correct. Because of our failure in this regard the world is a much more sinful, coarse and undisciplined place. Too many people today are out of control, undisciplined, and incorrigible. Too many are locked in sin and have never been properly corrected. The world is less pleasant and charitable, less teachable. It is also more sinful and in greater bondage. To fail to correct is to fail in charity and mercy, it is to fail to be virtuous and to fail in calling others to virtue. We are all impoverished by our failure to correct the sinner. Proverbs 10:10, 17 says He who winks at a fault causes trouble; but he who frankly reproves promotes peace….A path to life is his who heeds admonition; but he who disregards reproof goes go astray.”
Bishop Athanasius Schneider: ‘We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church’
Bishop Athanasius Schneider celebrates Pontifical High Mass during the Latin Mass Society pilgrimage to West Grinstead in Sussex
Good article. Thanks, Catherine.
You are welcome anonymous!
Catherine, thank you for the link to this article. Bishop Schneider is a holy and courageous servant of Christ. I have read some of his writings. I owe him a debt of gratitude for speaking so clearly and unapologetically. It shows the power of God that He is using a man who was born and raised in a Communist country.
God bless you Tracy! I am also grateful for Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s courage in speaking so clearly and as you said, “unapologetically.” You also brought up a very excellent point to reflect on and pray about.
“It shows the power of God that He is using a man who was born and raised in a Communist country.”
Pray for Bishop Schneider! Thank you again, Catherine, for getting the word out.
You are welcome. And yes, we should pray for Bishop Schneider!
“One of the most blistering rips at Dolan and the parade organizers came from a Washington priest, Monsignor Charles Pope, who blogs at the website of the Archdiocese of Washington.”
There is no mention of Cardinal Dolan in the piece by Monsignor Pope.
Anonymous what other Diocese holds the St. Pat’s Parade – Dolan’s.
What other Cardinal agreed to be the Grand Marshall of a parade which promotes and supports the homosexual lifestyle – Dolan’s.
The point being that Monsignor Pope did not indulge in ad hominem attacks. He took his post down because he regretted the way he said things but he did not commit that sin.
There are no ad hominem attacks.
We have an obligation to tell the truth. Or do you want us to lie, Anonymous?
Dolan is refusing to do his job and leading people astray
by his words and behavior (Scandal) – even though he has an obligation to teach the truth that the homosexual lifestyle is a mortal sin and if unrepented sends Souls to Hell.
There are sins of omission as well as commission.
Therefore, we all have an obligation to try to save as many Souls as possible – in spite of Dolan, if we love our neighbors as commanded by Jesus.
Further Dolan spoke about “UNITY” (unity in the support of a very sinful lifestyle).
When it comes to sin this is what JESUS said – ” Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
For I have come to set a man against his father, etc Mt 10:34-39
Perhaps due to our complaints, Dolan might swallow his pride, teach according to the CCC in entirety, stop Scandal and Sacrilege within his Diocese , and then attain Heaven himself.
Well, I’ve spent time on the East Coast and I know that Savannah and Norfolk (Richmond Diocese) have huge SP Parades with Church ties & a fair amount of Church involvement.
However, be that as it may, this is an example of the chancery squeeze. Been there, been done by that. There was nothing wrong with Msgr. Pope’s essay. St. John Vianney would be proud. Probably most of you have heard more strident commentary from the pulpit and your diocesan newspaper and no correction was forthcoming. Yet one priest issues a veiled critique of the Lavender Mafia and immediately is forced to retract. Cardinal Prozac and The Prince win this one.
Small wonder Msgr. Pope’s blog entry was deleted by the Archdiocese of Washington DC. Donald Cardinal Wuerl and Timothy Cardinal Dolan are cut from the same cloth. They love to be invited as featured guests at banquets and are loathe to uphold the teachings of the Church. Dolan’s preening at the papal conclave last year was matched only by Roger Mahony. And let’s not forget, as Archbishop in Wisconsin, Cdl. Dolan donned a Packers’ cheesehead during Mass. I don’t think we would have seen that pre Vatican II. But now? Hey, anything goes. Even the promotion of mortal sin. But then again, if we don’t talk about things like mortal sin and eternal damnation, they don’t exist right? May God have mercy upon this faithless and perverse generation. +JMJ+
Dolan should ask all Catholics to boycott the St Pat’s Parade, and boycott the parade himself.
ADVERTIZING and PROMOTING the homosexual lifestyle (or lifestyles of fornication, or adultery, or polygamy) is sinful.
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
CCC: 2357. 2358. 2359. 2396.
If I were near New York, I would bring a sign to the parade with a message for Cardinal Dolan.
Some people have talked about going to the parade, and turning their backs to Dolan when he goes by.
It would still be better if ALL Catholics boycotted the Parade that promotes the homosexual lifestyle.
St. Patrick drove the “snakes” out of Ireland…….let’s see what other snake-like banners pop up. Who wants to march under the banner “adulterers” or “thieves” or “murderers”? Anyone taking up for marching under those titles?
Why not? Dolan won’t care, after all he accepted being the “Grand Marshall” – for another photo-op.
And he certainly does not care about scandal.
Let’s have all the following groups without discrimination:
“We support Sodomy”; “Adulterers of America”; “Fornicating Friends”; “Polygamists love Orgies”, and “Pedophiles Love Children”.
It could be a real “love-in” for “UNITY”. Cardinal Dolan loves UNITY.
Indeed, Nancy…Catholics for Concupiscence…the Scarlet Letter Society, and proud of it…Equality for Adultery, etc. We already have a nuns organization that supports homosexuality, abortion and nary a mention of Jesus on their website…and oh! the handwringing and deliberations of what to do with these nuns. Gee, that’s a tough decision! tsk tsk. It would seem the only Catholics who are being punished these days are traditional orthodox ones. I suppose Mnsgr. Pope will end his days in the outer reaches of Alaska somewhere.
God willing we can retrench in Alaska then, for Mnsgr. Pope will surely not be alone. God bless him!
Well, I’d rather they send him to Florida if that’s the case. haha
Or a remote tropical island :)
Dana, really, he did not get into trouble for it. They ran it on the diocesan website. He removed it because he thought better of some of the words he used. I know some websites reported that Cardinal Weurl had it removed, but Monsignor Pope said that it was not true. I read it and I did not see anything wrong with it, but he is a priest and he knows better than I the standards that he should uphold.
Don’t pop our bubble, anonymous. Anne Malley & I are on a tropical island on a spiritual retreat! :)
Oh, I am SO there, Dana. Tropic ocean breezes and spiritual food to boot!
From today’s Mass readings . . .
“Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor SODOMITES nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor. 6:9-10)
Too bad its not a reading on a Sunday when more people are in attendance.
BAD News folks – Dolan, Wuerl, and Kurtz (Pres of USCCB) will each be attending the Synod from the USA.
Dolan and Wurel don’t represent me.
Pray that this Synod, does not cause another protesting reformation.
Represent you? What do you think the Catholic Church is?
I want Cardinal/Bishops who adhere to the Faith. – These are those who represent the Catholic Faith. – Who care about Scandal, who care about Sacrilege.
Yes! Me too.
I also want laity to do that.
Heretical Bishops are like the Pharisees. They do not represent faithful Catholics.
They lead others to sin – promoting unity with sinful lifestyles.
There have been some evil Bishops throughout history.
Judas did it for 30 pieces of silver.
Dolan does it for 30 minutes of fame.
The Synod will have Cardinal/Bishop representatives from each Country.
Represent? to whom?
I can tell that you do not know Cardinal Dolan.
He does not care about fame. Fame is a burden.
He sacrifices a lot.
If he made a decision that you would not make, it is not heresy.
He is one of the few churchmen who really is caring about every person.
Here is his statement:
I think the error that is made is to look at a decision he made and impute to him a personality defect or a defect in his faith. All of us do this almost unconsciously. it is an act of pride. Humility looks for the good in others. Charity looks for the good. Faith looks for the good.
Cardinal Dolan is an affable person. He just doesn’t go around looking for reasons to snub people. There is a lot of just plain gossip and bias.
People criticize him for not standing up for the Church’s teaching but he does. People criticize him for saying “Bravo” to Michael Sam’s coming out. How many of those who criticize him present the beginning of the quote, “the same Bible that tells us, that teaches us about the virtues of chastity and the virtue of fidelity and marriage also tells us not to judge people.”
Dolan was not truthful in his statement: ” the same Bible that tells us, that teaches us about the virtues of chastity and the virtue of fidelity and marriage
also tells us not to judge people.”
Dolan needs to go back and read the Bible (and the CCC).
Jesus told us to judge with right judgment – Jn 7:24.
Jesus also told us not to be hypocrites, and therefore take the log out of our own eye FIRST prior to taking the splinter out of our brother’s eye – so that we will SEE CLEARLY;
and that we will be judged with the same measure with which we judge. Lk 6:24; and Mt 7:5
It drives me nuts when high ranking clergy misquote the Bible to suit themselves.
Anonymous, you know the Pharisees were pious lay people, right?
Cardinal Dolan has given us nothing but a scandalized, failed leadership which has continuously caused division, alienation and much scandal and confusion to the laity. The Al Smith dinner with Obama was a scandal, his comments on homosexuality are scandalous, his hand holding smiling association with devorced Governor Cuomo, who brought same sex marriage to NY, who leads the Gay Pride Parade in NY city, openly lives with a mistress, is an ardent promoter of abortion including partial birth, claims to be Catholic, goes to Mass and receives Holy Communion yet Dolan has done nothing about this disgrace and when asked if the gov. was a Catholic in good standing he, Dolan, replied it was not for him to say. Now by accepting and sinfully condoning a sinful lifestyle group to march in a NOW parade of SHAME which is supposed to be Honoring a most Holy Catholic Saint who took a people from paganism to the Holy Trinity is disgusting to the memory of this saint. DOLAN HAS TO GO !!
I wish St. Patrick’s Day honored the Saint. and I wish it was done in a holy manner. Maybe something good will come of it. Maybe a prayer to Saint Patrick for victims of human trafficking.
As for Dolan has to go: this isn’t an elected official. Do you not understand how the Church works?
Maybe a prayer to Saint Patrick for victims of human trafficking? = Unbelievable
Anonymous, Speaking of trafficking.. You are doing a pretty good PR job trafficking culpability away from Cardinal Dolan. I understand that you have probably gotten quite a bit of mileage by using these kind of flimsy excuses and distractions in the past …..especially on the un-catechized but it ISN’t working here. The unsuspecting are your victims!
Catherine, what is wrong with a prayer for victims of human trafficking?
The rest of your blog was just strange. What do you think I do?
St Thomas Aquinas – CCC: “1759 “An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention” ). The end does not justify the means.”
Nothing good will come out of any parade that advertises and promotes a sinful lifestyle.
This parade is no longer suitable for families.
“Anonymous”: You ignore the obvious — the great obvious — in your obstinent refusal to recognize the clear, and growing scandal, created by a Prince of the Church (and by many other cardinals, bishops, and priests). Homosexuality (that is sexual homosexual expression) is a mortal sin, now and always. By sanctioning a public event that now promienently displays a homosexual sub-theme, by making “Bravo” type statements by a young, and obviously, homosexual sexualist (instead of using that moment as a teaching moment), and by slamming Traditionalists and seeking to compromise (?eliminate?) the TLM in NYC, Cardinal Dolan (and others) gives everything but a public “sure, that’s OK” to each and every homosexual, including those that may actually have a moral question with what they do. The Church is here not say and do the popular thing, but the right and moral thing. Of course, as it is run by men and not (directly) God, things do not always go this way, but on homosexual sexual expression, the Church is clear — and you know this, and Cardinal Dolan knows this. How, then, can what he says and does, NOT be considered overt (and many believe, pre-programmed from the Vatican) support for homosexual sexual expression. We are talking about Sodomy here, not a flavor of ice cream; listen to the fraternal correction efforts offered by many on this topic; they are well intended and sincere. Dolan is wicked, and this wickedness will be seen in its full flower soon, as more and more “officials” in the Church come out in various ways to slam the good and virtuous, like Msgr. Pope, that seek to point out a simple point of Catholicism.
Wait, wait — moi neglected to add in nom de plume, as it was not automatically added as previously. This blog is not “by Anonymous” but to him. Regrets.
Matthew 9:10 And as he sat at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Jesus and his disciples.
11 And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 But when he heard it, he said, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
13 Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Jesus also said: “Go and Sin no more”.
Jesus spoke of Hell more than anyone else in the Bible – for unrepentant sinners.
No one slammed Monsignor Pope.
St. Christopher. I do not know that it is the SIN of scandal.
“Homosexuality (that is sexual homosexual expression) is a mortal sin, now and always”. It is a grave sin that is a mortal sin if done with full knowledge and full consent of the will.
Just because you read something on the Internet does not mean that it is true.
Garbage in, garbage out. Take some of this stuff with a grain of salt.
Homosexual persons are not stupid. They know that Cardinal Dolan and the Catholic Church teach that homosexual sex, gay unions and gay adoption are wrong. Cardinal Dolan was asked about Michael Sam’s coming out, not about his relationship. Coming out is a difficult thing for gay people and it does take courage. I don’t think he handled the question very well. They asked him the question looking for a soundbite that they could use to make the Church look bad. He did not give it to them. In the same interview, he stood up for traditional marriage but people are fault finders. You can do 1000 things correctly and people will point out the one fault. Here is my problem: your conclusion. Dolan is wicked. He is not. Honestly. You judge him on a few controversial things that get blown up on the Internet. In doing this, you offend God. i don’t think you are wicked. I think you are a sincere Catholic who gets stuff wrong. The best thing you can do for the Church is to be holy. Then you will find that others are holier too. I challenge you to always tell the truth.
“Anonymous”: We are not fools, nor is Cardinal Dolan. He knew, and everyone knew that his “bravo” statement, his “coming out” statement had to do with an explicit commitment to live a homosexual lifestyle, which means sex. C. Dolan simply does not care (as many in the Vatican do not care) about sodomy. You obviously overlook what many bloggers charitably advise you regarding “scandal” and you ignore them. You are entitled to your opinion, but your conclusion is, frankly, whacky. Just say what you believe: Dolan is an OK guy to you, although I do not know how you can say that anyone like him has any right to be called “holy” when he goes out of his way to crush opponents within the Church, and is always looking to brown-nose the boss (which is likely why he is going with the Parade). He is simply not a good man, and is a wretched Cardinal. Time to go.
Great article displaying the church in action. = ) God bless Msgr. Pope!
Does anyone have a direct address for CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN? I would like to send him a letter expressing my concerns of his many actions. I will eventually find it on my own but if anyone happens to have it first, please post it.
God bless you all that pray for mother church. Your mercy and humility is much needed through your prayers and actions as well. Take heart and do not have hardened hearts. JMJ
Save your breath, Abeca. I wrote to Cd Dolan ( on beautifully decorated Catholic stationery in my best Lombardy Gothic writing in colored ink) and received a curt , one-size-fits-all printed form response. I doubt he ever reads mail from ordinary people…maybe if you put Cupmo’s name on the return address it might make it to the first desk before being tossed out.
Thanks Dana but I try not to get easily discouraged as much these days, well I try. I will write him and call him as well…yes I will get on his nerves. With God all is possible…without Him all is lost. Pray Dana….Pray for me. Its time to pester those in high places, in charity of course, always in charity. Often it is humanly of us to want to see results instantly. We should expect nothing, just continue as we should for the love of Christ and His church. Look at the enemy, he loses one battle but the very next day, they start over and do not give up but I notice that most people of faith easily give up and get discouraged. Some even stop praying.
Dana you just encouraged me to persevere with fortitude. I do not spend my time here asking people to keep going, to not get discouraged, if I do not practice what I preach. I practice what I preach dear one. My breath is not wasted, God see’s the little good I can do, so with faith as small as a mustard seed, that is all it takes, even if I have to write him a letter every month..so be it. Even if I have to copy and resend the same letter…so be it. Just pray that I follow through and not let the work of the devil discourage me. That is what he wants, remember the evil one does not sleep? Nor shall we. I am up in the middle of the time, praying and begging God for His mercy and help. God knows and what He see’s in private, well you know the rest.
God bless you sweets.
Abeca, I sensed you were going through something right now…I will definitely pray for you. Don’t worry too much about Cd Dolan. Right now it’s more important to focus on getting well, finding peace of mind. Stress can make you I’ll, as you know. You need rest in Him…he knows what you need. “Trust in Him and lean not unto thine own understanding”. Every time a worry takes hold, breathe out and remember this verse. God bless and keep you.
Dana thanks for your prayers. Actually Dana, I appreciate your concerns but I am doing well. I didn’t know what gave you that impression, but I am a very passionate person, I love the Lord so much, that I am full of energy.
So Not stressed and I am completely at peace, I am full of energy and have a zeal to do what I can in Jesus. = ) so i hope you are well too. Also to encourage others to have the zeal too in Jesus. Sorry that I may have said something that caused you to assume that but its sure nice to know you care. Thanks
Over these threats there are a lot of assumptions but its good that you asked for clarity.
I retread your post and saw I misread it, Abeca. Shocking! Me. Make a mistake? Sorry. :)
oops Dana I made a typo on the last sentence, I meant the word “threads” not threats. lol Sorry about that. I type way too fast and often neglect to go back to check my work. So sorry sweets.
I will Abeca…and don’t call him a Friday night fish and chips kinda guy, like I did. He refers to himself that way, but I don’t think he wants anyone else to…hahahaha.
Abeca Christian, you probably don;t need this example but here is an open letter to Cardinal Dolan which expresses the concern without descending into sin.
Abeca Christian, have you prayed over this?
If you were the Grand Marshall of the parade, and they allowed a group of people who were openly gay in, you would probably quit. And what point would you make?
Nobody is going to be saying “Wow , what a great Christian. What a terrific religion.” They are going to call you a bigot and a homophobe. Does that serve Jesus?
Now, say that you agree to remain and you shake hands with them and tell them you are glad they are here and that you will walk with them, not just in a parade but all the way to the Father’s House. Pray over it.
Anonymous says, “….They are going to call you a bigot and a homophobe.”
And the jar of precious naard could have been sold and the money given to the poor, Anonymous. What is your point?
I’d say Abecca will have done well if she opted out of such a parade, and especially if such insults were leveled at her. For Our Lord says:
“…Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake.”
Your approach lacks FAITH, but rather seeks the human road of perpetual compromise. But the trouble comes in that Catholics who do as much are not compromising their own likes and dislikes, but the fullness of Faith entrusted to them by God Almighty. Pray on that.
“Your approach lacks FAITH, but rather seeks the human road of perpetual compromise. ”
Thank you very much for summing it up. Many years ago, it became quite obvious to many that there were very few lead shepherds who were willing to go to the authentic Catholic teaching mat for the Catholic faith, which includes *actions* as well as lip service and PR pleasing words. May God bless the few who have and they have been persecuted because they were Christlike in *actions* as well as words and they suffered greatly for their unwillingness to compromise. May God awaken those lead shepherds who are still rejecting the cross. Due to their own lack of actions it truly looks as if these shepherds do not feel that they too are required or expected to lay down their own lives for the sake of the gospel. Can you imagine if Our Lord would have totally disobeyed his Father and rejected the cross? This is what many of our own lead shepherds have done. They “ACT” as if the gospel is meant for others but not for themselves. They in essence are rejecting the embracing of the cross for a new temptation called “perpetual compromise”. Even Our Lady of Akita used the word “compromise”. Our lead shepherds with the authority to “act” are the one’s who have abandoned Our Lord in the Garden by not staying awake with Him to comfort Him with their loyalty. They scattered the flock while wandering off to please the consciences linked to their coffers and the political hearts of men before being obedient to the will of God. This is why one prelate in the Vatican referred to them as “corporate men” instead of Christlike men who would also lay down their own lives for their sheep.
And yet the blame is consistently laid at the feet of ‘rebellious’ sheep for ruining everything or saying bad things about the Church. Well, I would think Shepherds would want to combat those charges by fully engaging in the fullness of Faith. Fixing the broken slats in the sheep pen maybe? Not double down on the stories by laughingly dismissing their own scandalous neglect of guiding the flock – as if it’s not that big of a deal anymore – while knocking down more fence rails so the sheep can freely wander wherever. (Hey, God won’t let them fall over the cliff. *He* promised!)
They are fooling NOBODY. Except perhaps those sheep who have been obligingly convinced that other sheep actually have the capacity to grow hands, grab the Shepherd’s crook, and take down the fences themselves while some other naughty sheep bound and gagged the shepherds.
Because if they honestly *believe* that the naughty children sheep are the ones ruining everything without the help of a good number of Shepherds, then they must realize that they too will be required to WORK in union with those good Bishops to FIGHT for the flock. And that includes searching out the sources of the mystical, magical smoke of Satan that allows ‘sheep’ to mysteriously overcome Shepherds with crooks.
But, Catherine, someone might call the good sheep meanies? Oh, my! Whatever will we do??!!
Bill Donohue to March in NYC Pride Parade: ’Straight is Great!’ :: EDGE Boston
Date: September 9, 2014
“And it looks like Donohue is going to get his wish after all. HuffPo obtained a statement by David Studinski, March Director of NYC Pride.
“Mr. Donohue and his group are free to participate in the 2014 March,” he said.”His group’s presence affirms the need for this year’s Pride theme, ’We Have Won When We’re One.’ Straight is great – as long as there’s no hate.”
“Straight allies are great,” added NYC Pride managing director Chris Federick. “We have thousands of straight people participating in the Pride March, including Catholic groups, who support LGBT youth, families and married couples.”
Even GLAAD President Sarah Kate Ellis welcomes Donohue to march in the parade.
“As a fellow Irish New Yorker, I’m hoping Bill will march with me at NYC Pride. I look forward to the day when I can march openly with Bill in the NYC St. Patrick’s Day Parade, and not be turned away because of who I am,” she said in a statement.
Though NYC Pride officials praise straight allies, unless Donohue changes his tune in the next few months, he is anything but. Donohue has called the LGBT community sexual deviants and has been criticized for his lack of sensitivity towards victims of priest sexual abuse and victims of bullying”
continued from September 9, 2014 at 11:20 pm
Even according to NYC Pride managing director Chris Federick’s above comments all attendees will now be allies. Imagine… ALLIES in mortal sin and perversion.
Cardinal Dolan told CBS reporters “Anybody that knows Church history knows that at its best the College of Cardinals has been a great sign of service, even spilling one’s blood in defense of the Gospel. But at its worst, it’s been the location of gossip and intrigue and secrecy, and this is not good. ”
So this is the meaning of pastorally “Making All Things New?” …Grand Marshall ALLIES with the homosexual culture of death? To use Cardinal Dolan’s own words, “This is not a great sign of service.” “This is not spilling one’s own blood in defense of the Gospel.”
This is a disgraceful affront to all of our martyrs who shed their blood in defense of the faith. This is another shameful scandal and a terrible betraying of the duty and role of leadership at it’s worst. Cardinal Dolan has lost all recognition of the reality that “this is not good.”
Matthew 5:37 ” But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.” Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
Prediction: Within two years Pope Francis will call Cardinal Dolan to Rome for a promotion.
Sad to say, but I fear you’re spot on in that prediction.
Anonymous said (above): quote ” A lot of people are offending God by violating the fourth commandment. Priests and bishops are your father. When you attack them, you are attacking God.” – unquote. – – – – – – – What blasphemy !!!
Perhaps Judas Iscariot is your Father, but he is not mine. – he betrayed Christ.
Mahoney, Bernardin, Weakland, Dolan and Wuerl are not my fathers either.
Jesus said: “….but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born”.
Anonymous do not call Jesus a sinner !
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;….” – JESUS
CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing. ”
Mt 18:6; 1 Cor 8:10-13; Mt 7:15.
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. ….. The bad tree bears evil fruits…” Mt 7:15 20.
“For if anyone sees you, a man of knowledge, at table in an idol’s temple might be not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols?
And so by your knowledge this weak man is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died.
Thus, sinning against your brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. ” 1 Cor 9:10-12.
It is not blasphemy. It is the traditional Teaching of the Holy Catholic Church. Of course, modernism has wreaked havoc and people feel very comfortable doing to their fathers things they would not want done to themselves.
Anonymous, please provide a link to the Bible or CCC number for your assertion.
Documentation rather than personal opinions is good.
Baltimore Catechism 243. Does the fourth commandment oblige us to respect and to obey others besides our parents?
Besides our parents, the fourth commandment obliges us to respect and obey all our lawful superiors.
Let everyone be subject to the higher authorities, for there exists no authority except from God, and those who exist have been appointed by God. Therefore he who resists authority resists the ordinance of God; and they that resist bring on themselves condemnation. (Romans 13:1-2)
CCC 862 “Just as the office which the Lord confided to Peter alone, as first of the apostles, destined to be transmitted to his successors, is a permanent one, so also endures the office, which the apostles received, of shepherding the Church, a charge destined to be exercised without interruption by the sacred order of bishops.”375 Hence the Church teaches that “the bishops have by divine institution taken the place of the apostles as pastors of the Church, in such wise that whoever listens to them is listening to Christ and whoever despises them despises Christ and him who sent Christ.”376
Judas Iscariot was an Apostle as well. And Jesus said it would have been better if he had never been born.
Amen to that PETE!
Like anytime in time, we should all pray and persevere. It is a duty for all Christians to pray and speak less, to take action more. We have nothing to lose but only our identity, which is far more important, Christ shed His blood for us. He lives in us and we in Him.
Want nothing but the Lord, nothing but His truths. May God protect us and keep us in His truths. That we not become so easily deceived. Precious Lord guide your people, council us, teach us, humble us, correct us, etc. Precious Lord may we bow down to You, kneel at your alter and beg for your mercy on this society. Pity us, if Lord, anything, just give us your help. I’m so sorry for the pain you feel often due to our sins, it pains us to understand, to know that you are still the crucified Lord, because of our sins. Nothing more should pain us but knowing what we have done, nothing more should but we pray that this understanding will take over us and help us fear ever to hurt you again. Come Jesus and be with us now, and as we suffer here on this earth, we pray and look forward for your healing and look forward to be with you in heaven. That is our goal here in life. Nothing more. For this life is only temporary. Amen!
I am not going to condemn Timothy Cardinal Dolan. I do not have all the facts. Yes, it seems that he has blurted out things that he should not have said, but most people have, including myself at times, and sometimes people are misquoted, even in videos by cutting out parts of the conversation. If somehow he uses this situation as a teaching moment to explain orthodox Catholic teaching for us all, as far as I am can concerned he can make amends for any errors or misjudgments on his part.. My attitude is wait and see.
On the computer news I just saw how someone or some organization has released into the sky an emblem with the words “God loves gays,” on it. The truth is he DOES love those with same sex attraction. He DOES love everyone — enough that he died on the cross for our sins — all of our sins. Nevertheless, that does not mean that he approves of everything we do when we harm ourselves or others or society. We can cut ourselves off from God and do cut ourselves off from God when we do those things, and acting on same-sex attraction harms the person and others just as any other serious sins does. We destroy the image of God in ourselves when we seriously sin and are supposed to be Christ like.
Anne T. – You can find each of the following PUBLIC statements on the internet for just a few.
1) Dolan praised heretic Joe Biden and gave him Holy Communion at St. Pat’s after Biden’s Diocese Bishop enforced Canon 915, (and went out for coffee with Biden after Mass – they are good friends.) 2013.
2) Dolan jovial with Gov Cuomo – a Catholic who supports homosexual marriage, abortion, and openly lives with his girlfriend. (But was not happy when Dolan did not get tax credits he wanted).
3) Dolan hooted with Obama at the Al Smith dinner which as he was told and knew included photo ops that were used by the Democratic Party for Obama’s re-election – i.e. Catholic votes. 2012
(Pres Bill Clinton was not invited by the previous NY Cardinal for his pro-abortion position).
4) On national TV – Meet the Press- – Dolan said “Bravo” about the football player who openly stated he was homosexual. 2014
5) Dolan has agreed to be the Grand Marshall in 1st St. Pat’s Parade to allow the promoting/advertising of the homosexual lifestyle. 2014.
6) When asked about the sinfulness of the homosexual lifestyle by a reporter (re 2014 Parade), Dolan quipped “who am I to judge”.
The Dolanites (followers of Dolan) can not refute the statements made by Dolan in Ted’s post abovel.
They can be found all over the internet. Many with pictures included, and live video’s.
AnneT, that’s is so true. I often think of Mother Theresa’s line to a person who asked her how she could bear to touch a man who had been a serial killer and she replied, “THANK GOD IT WASN”T YOU!” And I think of the sweet and gentle men who are of ssa in my own family and I love them anyway. They know very well how I feel about active homosexuality. But I also think it is terribly wrong to act as if what they’re doing is okay. I think it even worse what businesses and homosexual fanatics are doing by working tirelessly to undermine families, faith and society. They’ve become the sin, not just the sinners. That’s a huge difference. If there’s no repentance there is no hope of forgiveness. Cd Dolan knows very well how people took his message…if he thought it was misinterpreted then he should have had a press conference and clarified the issue, but he most assuredly has not. It’s always wise to give people a hearing and not judge too quickly, but in this case this is just one of many pro-homosexualist supports this man has given over a whole career. Read of his record in Wisconsin! God bless you.
In my last post, I did not mean in any way to make light of some of the serious concerns of other faithful Catholics who posted. Perhaps some of you have more first hand knowledge of the situation than I do, and you certainly have the right to do what you think must be done. There is a lot of conflicting information and comments by seemingly good Catholics on the web about this issue.
Anne T. You can verify Dolan’s behavior all over the internet. The stories are all the same, not in error. For you to imply that they could be in error, is disingenuous at best. I heard Dolan speak about the Parade; and saying ‘Bravo’ about the homosexual lifestyle of the football player – live. It was scandalizing.
When you write in the media, you should have the facts, Anne T.
If Dolan can not think on his feet, he should stay out of the press, and out of photo-ops.
Many of us wrote to Dolan prior to the Al Smith Dinner, and told him his photo-op with Obama would be used for Obama’s re-election – which happened.
Betty, I too was upset when I heard him say that, but then I thought has anyone actually asked Cardinal Dolan what he meant by the “Bravo, I won’t judge him? Did he explain what he meant? Did he have the chance to explain? Was it said after someone who was in serious sin (possibly sexual sin) him or herself had picked on the athlete? Was Cardinal Dolan’s point that some others in serious sin should get rid of their own serious sins first, get right with God and then tell the athlete he was doing wrong. I don’t know the answer to those questions. Do you? Personally, I think he should stay out of the parade and stick to saying Mass in Church. On the other hand, perhaps he thinks his presence at the parade will keep it from getting out of hand as some have in San Francisco and wants to make a point in a speech, but perhaps wrongly so. I just do not know. Nevertheless, as one Anonymous has tried to point out here , as a cardinal he is the Lord’s anointed and we should treat him with as much respect as David did King Saul. Send your faxes and letters, and I might even send one, but give the man some respect.
Judas was an Apostle. Give him some respect ?
Jesus said it would be better if he had not been born.
Jesus called him friend. Mt. 26:50
The answer to the St Pat’s Parade is very simple.
1) Cardinal Dolan should immediately withdraw from being Grand Marshall and boycott the parade.
2) He should publically request that Catholics boycott the Parade as well.
1) the mortal sin of Scandal involved here,
as well as the
2) promoting/advertising the mortal sin of the homosexual lifestyle.
CCC: “ 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing. “
CCC: “1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
– by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
– by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
– by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
– by protecting evil-doers.
Respect for the souls of others: scandal
2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.
An open letter to Cardinal Dolan | ALL.org
Dear Cardinal Dolan,
Much has been said about the recent decision of the St. Patrick’s Day Parade committee in New York to allow a homosexual organization to march under its own banner in next year’s parade.
Even more has been said about your strange and casual ambivalence about the decision. In a joint press conference with the parade organizers, you said, “I think the decision they made is a wise one.
I have no trouble with the decision at all.” Standing next to you, a representative of the parade organizing committee said, “This change of tone and expanded inclusiveness is a gesture of good will in our continuing effort to keep the parade above politics, all the while remaining loyal to Church teachings, our patron St. Patrick, and the values and principles that have guided the parade throughout its long history.”
ParadeIf allowing active homosexuals to march under their own banner in a parade celebrating a Catholic saint is “a wise one” and “loyal to the teachings of the Church,” then St. Catherine of Siena was either a liar or a lunatic. In this excerpt from St. Catherine’s work, The Dialogue, which she wrote during a state of ecstasy, Our Blessed Lord told St. Catherine about how abominable sodomy truly is.
See that some of these fruits are the food of beasts who live impurely, using their body and their mind like a swine who wallows in mud, for in the same way they wallow in the mire of sensuality.
Oh, ugly soul, where have you left your dignity?
You were made sister to the angels, and now you are become a brute beast. To such misery come sinners, notwithstanding that they are sustained by Me, who am Supreme Purity, notwithstanding that the very devils, whose friends and servants they have become, cannot endure the sight of such filthy actions. Neither does any sin, abominable as it may be, take away the light of the intellect from man, so much as does this one…
Secularism Conquers the NYC St. Patrick’s Day Parade: Cardinal Dolan Should Clarify
IT MAKES SENSE TO ME by Larry Peterson
We are up to our waists in the muck of secular quicksand and slowly but surely it is trying its best to suck us all deeper into its godless abyss.
This insidious secularism has permeated so much of our lives it has become the norm for many, especially the Millennials (those born from 1980 and after). Marriage has been relegated to an afterthought; after living together, having sex together and having a baby together then MAYBE marriage is considered. The Affordable Care Act has gone so far as to demand that we Catholic/Christians leave our faith and morality inside the church door and shed it when we leave.
Once outside of church we MUST accept abortion and contraception because they are now LAW and therefore we cannot reject them. What our church teaches matters not.
Is this NONSENSE? Nope, it is the law of the land.
The main difference is the Gaystapo wants to literally Exterminate the politically un-good (kind of like Mao & Stalin dod) – where as Sharia will allow Catholics to Exist, only in a degraded state…
Which is kind of redundant, given the Dolans of the Church are already working in line with the ‘tplerance’ goals pf the Aomination:.
Cardinal: U.S. ‘Creed’ on Gay Marriage Like Sharia Law
9/1-/14 By Michael W. Chapman
Cardinal Francis George, head of the Catholic archdiocese of Chicago and a former president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. (AP)
(CNSNews.com) – Cardinal Francis George, head of the Catholic archdiocese of Chicago, said the levers of power in government, education, entertainment, and media are enforcing a “public creed,” a “fake church” that requires all citizens to approve of gay marriage and related sexual anomalies or be punished by the State, just “as Christians and Jews are fined for their religion in countries governed by Sharia law.”
Here is DOLAN’s LATEST – – – – (and Pope Francis has chosen Dolan and Wuerl for the Synod.)
Cardinal Dolan – interview with John Allen of the Boston Globe.
*** Allen – “Mid-term elections are close, and soon the 2016 race will heat up. Where are the American bishops today on the issue of Communion for pro-choice Catholic politicians? “
*** Cardinal Dolan – “ In a way, I like to think it’s an issue that served us well in forcing us to do a serious examination of conscience about how we can best teach our people about their political responsibilities,
but by now that inflammatory issue IS IN THE PAST.
I don’t hear too many bishops saying it’s something that we need to debate nationally, or that we have to decide collegially. I think most bishops have said, ‘We trust individual bishops in individual cases.’
Most don’t think it’s something for which we have to go to the mat. “
The Culture War is Over 09-11 (per Dolan)
Does Dolan mean that everything is now A-OK in the USA;
or that Sacrilege and, Scandal are no longer mortal sins?
Or that we should ignore the Bible and CCC?
What is this guy doing?
If Holy Communion is no longer sacred with Dolan (and other Church leaders) why should we even be Catholic ?
Sounds like Dolan thinks its like eating popcorn – take it or leave it; do whatever you want.
John, what he meant is- the issue was already discussed. Pro-choice Catholic politicians were told that they should not present themselves for communion and it also was decided that each bishop would handle this on a case by case basis. They are to meet with these politicians and instruct them.
It is totally unnecessary for you to mock him and demean him.
Cardinal Dolan is highly devoted to our Eucharistic Savior.
What do you mean?
Dolan gave Holy Communion to Joe Biden a few weeks ago ! And a picture was taken.
(Joe’s own Diocese Bishop told him not to present himself for Holy Communion.)
This quoted sentence from Dolan says it all:
“Most don’t think it’s something for which we have to go to the mat.” – meaning its not that important.
Dolan doesn’t care about the mortal sin of Scandal either.
Scandal can be a mortal sin under the three conditions. I fail to see how this applies to this situation.
I think he would be better off doing as Monsignor Pope says and leaving the Church out of secular stuff like the parade.
I think Joe Biden should not have presented himself for communion-unless he has repented and been re-admitted by his bishop. The fault is his.
More lay faithful in action:
Read the letter from dads.org
pretty good letter and its a good example to follow when writing in your concerns. Thanks
Abeca, thank you for this important link. I have passed it on to others.
Most people do not think of the effect of Cardinals/Bishops public words and action on legislators / legislation.
As a former Legislative Aide from VA, I can attest to the faithfulness and morality in legislation of Delegate Marshall over many years – even when it was not popular and he was ridiculed for it.
” I know from a lifetime in and around politics that federal judges and Members of Congress read newspapers. They are influenced by the actions of moral leaders. They gauge what they can “get away with” by what Catholic prelates “tolerate.” ”
” Cardinal Dolan’s actions will make enacting legislation in conformity with the Natural Law immeasurably harder to defend especially for lay Catholics or Catholic legislators.”
Abeca, and others, you never know who reads blogs. Keep up the good work. :)
(I am the author and owner of “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”
Thank you ELLEN P. I agree with your comments and I thank you for passing the link to others. God bless you. You are a good trooper, fighting the good fight. Faithful to the Magisterium. Praise Be Jesus Christ forever and ever. Nothing in life matters more in life, what matters the most is that we remain faithful to Christ and His church. I trust in His word and His promises to us. We are not alone. Reflection: Read John 17
Our Lord wins every battle that we find impossible, Our Lord wins in HIS time. Our Lord wins! We give glory to His most holy name, we praise Him day and night. Want nothing more than to be pleasing to our beloved Jesus and do not let the enemy enter His home but since mankind has free will, there is also the bad willed, who invite the enemy in. But all is temporary, for we know that evil has its end.
Prayer and fasting which gives us the zeal to act now with fortitude and perseverance. jmj
Then Cardinal Dolan should not be in the parade as some fine Catholic organizations have backed out for good reasons.
People who advocate sin are still posting on this Catholic site! What’s next from these people? Advocating abortion?
Kind of like ‘Half a Cup’ – at least its something, but not the Best Thing, which is to leave the drunken farce behind – and focus instead on exposing and fighting the Hatred behind the Gaystapo Attacks on the Church.:
“Catholic League pulls out of NYC St. Patrick’s Parade
After initially defending the organizers’ decision to allow a homosexual group to march in the 2015 New York St. Patrick’s Day Parade, a leading Catholic group has announced it will not take part.
The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights (Catholic League) issued a statement this morning saying that for the first time in 20 years it will not march in next year’s parade.
It is the latest development in an ongoing controversy since parade organizers’
Donohue explained – “To be specific, I asked them to pledge that a pro-life Catholic group would also be permitted.
I was told that a formal change in the rules had been approved and that a pro-life group would march,” said Donohue in his statement.
“Now I am being told that the list of marching units is set and that no pro-life group will march in next year’s parade. Accordingly, I have decided to withdraw our participation.”
From what I get out of the article on the Catholic League website about why that organization has pulled out of the parade is that the homosexual group that was going to be allowed was not “radical”; that I would assume means that it was probably people from the group “Courage”, which does have the magisterium’s approval as that group encourages chastity and celibacy and heterosexual marriage.. Later it seems that the “party crashers” (the radical groups such as Dignity who do not have Church approval) wanted to march. This is the reason Mgs. Pope is so right on this issue. When parades and festivals get too large or last too long, there are always the people who just come for the “party” and have really no interest in honoring the person or cause for whom or for which the festival was first intended. At least one Catholic group has backed out of the parade in Boston also, and it seems rightly so.
You got it wrong. The gay marchers are a gay employee group called “OUT” from NBC. (Follow the money.)
Bill Donohue of Catholic League is Cardinal Dolan’s buddy. He should be pulling out because of PROMOTION of the gay lifestyle in a parade where children will be influenced,
not because additional groups couldn’t march.
If that is the case Seth, you are right.
Well folks, ALSO TO ADD in addition to our concerns expressed here and other areas, what is sad about this whole Parade thingie, or any parade for that matter, is that it use to be a family event, where families take their little ones, where people would have picnics afterwards, something wholesome, good families would do as a family but now because of “gay” agenda’s, they have perverted what was suppose to be for families to gather and take a break from hard work during the week and taking the kids out to enjoy the good weather.
Look what they did to the Rose Parade in California, they had a “gay” couple kiss. Lets get rid of the parades because they have now become parades of agendas, the narcissistic, full of vanity want it all…..its always about their sexuality… Lord help us.
Fighting evil vs. enabling evil….
Satanic black mass sells out in Oklahoma
Meanwhile, God bless the Bishop Slattery of Oklahoma for training priests to perform exorcisms. The devil knows that these workshops are taking place and this is the reason for the current influx of open demonic assaults in civic centers as well as the notoriously depraved and decadent gay pride parades.
continued from September 12, 2014 at 2:34 pm
Taken from Father Z’s blog
“The Catholic Church has sanctioned exorcisms since the first century, and provides priests with special prayers and rituals, many of which date back to the sixth and seventh century. In recent times, though, the practice of solemn exorcisms has been extremely rare; in fact few priests today have ever seen or participated in one. This conference will be part of an on-going effort of the Church in the United States to train and prepare priests for this spiritual combat.”
“While full demonic possession is rare,” insisted Bishop Edward Slattery, Bishop of Tulsa, “instances of demonic influence and oppression has been increasing in current years.” Priests who attend this workshop will learn to recognize what opens the doors to demonic activity, how to discern true possession and will become familiar with the Church’s Rite of Exorcism, Bishop Slattery explained.
“This workshop is open to any priest or diocesan official interested in learning more about this ministry. Attendance at this conference, however, is only with the permission of the attendee’s Bishop. Cost for this conference is $175.00. For more information or to register, please contact the Te Deum Institute at firstname.lastname@example.org”
Local Media Outlets
Mr. Joey Spencer, Program Director
Te Deum Institute of Sacred Liturgy of the Diocese of Tulsa; 1-918-307-4956
New Ways Ministry was publicly condemned by the Vatican but privately through disobedience their strategy tactics are alive and well. Our Lady of Akita used the word “compromise”. Father John HardonSJ used the term “Gradualism” and sadly this is what we are witnessing. The gradual erosion of strong, solid Catholic leadership amongst many of our bishops. When Cardinal Dolan gave the fist pump in support of the GLBT ministries he was in essence praising their “coming out of the closet” giving support very much like Michael Sam’s coming out received a Bravo. These New Ways Ministry tactics were banned by the Vatican and yet we see that they are still being used and all under the banner of being in full communion with Rome. This is wrong. This is offending God.
continued from September 14, 2014, at 2:45
Look at the undeniable overwhelming difference! Look what the steady strategy of gradual erosion has led us to. The scandalous Al Smith dinner with laughing photo ops with Obama, the scandalous fist pumps inside a Catholic Church openly praising GLBT for coming out while sitting on the altar, the scandalous marching alongside as Grand Marshall with the gay pride activists in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. We are also witnessing the complete castration of Bill Donahue as a believable Catholic spokesperson. Bill Donahue was already showing weakening signs of flip flopping and placing his finger in the wind and now Bill Donahue will not ever be taken seriously due to the compromise he is choosing to make. Bill Donahue has at specific times defended the Church but now we can see that “friendships” have prices that are often too high. Faithful Catholics would respect Bill Donahue if he would remain as the bombastic pit bull that he is capable of being when elephant dung is placed on sacred art works. This parade is now turning into elephant dung being placed on the Mystical Body of Christ through compromises to our Catholic Faith. Bill Donahue will have lost all credibility if he joins and does not stand up to this cleverly appointed attack on the Mystical Body of Christ. The Faith should never be compromised because of a fear of an interference with human friendships or the potential threat of losing the necessary stamp of diocesan approval in order for the Catholic League donation money to keep rolling in.
Taken from Rorate Caeli
Cardinal O’Connor, the Pharisee
Cardinal O’Connor, Archbishop of New York – New York Post, January 11, 1993
I think Jesus would do what Cardinal Dolan is doing.
Jesus would not want him to leave the parade because of the employee support group at NBC,
Jesus would welcome them.
Just like he welcomes you. Even though you have insulted one of his best friends.
One thing I know — John Cardinal O’Connor was no Pharisee, at least not in the worst sense of the word, like the Pharisees who killed Christ. If he was a Pharisee, it was like St. Paul was after his conversion and like Joseph of Arimathea. Although, Cardinal O’Connor would not let practicing homosexuals parade their sins, he was known to help out at AIDS hospices privately and without making any fanfare about it. He loved the sinner, while hating the sin. May his soul, through the mercy of God rest in peace, and if he is in the heavenly abode, may he pray for all of us, including his successor.
Letter to US Papal Nuncio regarding Dolan public statements (advertising and promoting) homosexual lifestyle in Parade.
” New York’s Cardinal Dolan, appointed as Grand Marshal of the 2015 St. Patrick’s Day Parade praised the decision to allow gay group to march in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. “I have no trouble with the decision at all . . . I think the decision is a wise one.”
“I know from a lifetime in and around politics that federal judges and Members of Congress read newspapers. They are influenced by the actions of moral leaders. They gauge what they can “get away with” by what Catholic prelates “tolerate.” ”
” Cardinal Dolan’s actions will make enacting legislation in conformity with the Natural Law immeasurable harder to defend especially for lay Catholics or Catholic legislators.”
” They gauge what they can “get away with” by what Catholic prelates “tolerate.”
Thank you PETER!
Response to Cardinal Dolan on Gay Rights Group in St. Patrick’s Parade
by Hon. Robert G. Marshall
On Saturday I sent the letter below to Archbishop Vigano with regard to the statement Cardinal Dolan of New York gave in support of a Gay Rights Group being included in the 2015 New York St. Patrick’s Day Parade.
This parade is a Catholic event and I am disheartened to hear that Cardinal Dolan would support a position contrary to that of the Church in this situation.
September 6, 2014
Your Excellency Archbishop Vigano,
New York’s Cardinal Dolan, appointed as Grand Marshal of the 2015 St. Patrick’s Day Parade, praised the decision to allow an openly gay group to march in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. “I have no trouble with the decision at all … I think the decision is a wise one,” he said.
His action has left many Catholics, including elected officials like myself, puzzled and disheartened especially when we measure Cardinal Dolan’s new policy with that of his predecessor, John Cardinal O’Connor.
In 1993, when LGBT groups and government officials demanded that openly homosexual groups be included in the Parade, Cardinal O’Connor vowed in a St. Patrick’s Day sermon that he “could never even be perceived as compromising Catholic teaching. Neither respectability nor political correctness is worth one comma in the Apostles Creed.” (New York Times, 1/20/93)…
God bless you MIchael McDermott! Soldier of Christ!