Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:38 AM By 4unborn
Cardinal Bernard Law should be involved in this. It would help atone for all the harm that he did!
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:08 AM By Paul
The link to the “National Catholic REPORTER” is sad. This NCR is an ultra-liberal group that supports heretics like Nancy Polosi, Sebelious, and Obamacare, and refuses to acknowledge the existance of the CCC. The “National Catholic REGISTER” is the older and faithful paper.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:18 AM By ANNE
This is the same group of NUNS who supported Obamacare which will give the Government the authority to make life and death decisions based upon cost, and the person’s perceived value to society. “Sisters of Mercy of the America’s” is a Socialist group who is more interested in Socialism than God.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:26 AM By Megan
I hope the Vatican does finally crack down on disobedient groups of Religious. The Scandals they create are like cancer, and needs to be excised. They need to put God first. Instead they put socialism and environmentalism first. I also have read some of their web sites, and the Vatican is correct. They pretend to be “Faithful Catholics”, and use their religious status to oppose teachings of the Church, causing Scandal in the media etc.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:33 AM By Sue in soCal
I like Fr. Zuhlsdorf’s description of these ladies: The Magisterium of Nuns. They think their views supersede those of the Magisterium of the Church. These poor women are so lost. I pray that they and all who follow them will find their way back.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:06 AM By JMJ
DISOBEDIENCE! DISOBEDIENCE! DISOBEDIENCE! What a nasty word, but, we all saw what happened when Eve was the first person to give it a try and why should these “nuns” stop the flow of this horrible SIN? The Cure of Ars gave a priest a wonderful letter about obedience and why it is so necessary for us and he wasn’t talking about the “new” type of obedience that is prevalent among some of the ‘catholic’ cults, of which I won’t mention their names, but, the Obedience that Our Blessed Mother and the Holy Family has shown us, along with Abraham and the Apostles, and our very Holy Popes. How many of us even think (or even heard) of the 4 last things: death, judgement, Heaven or hell? Something that we will all face and despite what Frank Sinatra sang, we can’t do it our way, but only in the Way and Will of our Heavenly Father. Pray, Pray and Pray some more for these ‘nuns’ to come back to God and His Church. +JMJ+
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:07 AM By Angelo
When Pope Benedict XVl made Cardinal Levada head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and elevated him to the cardinalate, many of us were dismayed because we believed Levada to be an outright liberal. The Holy Father is a man of great wisdom. Cardinal Levada is speaking to the LCWR in a manner the Church has Traditionaly dealt with, in such matters (In other words he ain’t kidding). Levada is also at the top trying to reconcile the SSPX to bring them back into full communion with the Church. He knows this is a matter very close to the Heart of the Holy Father. How great it is to say “We were wrong about Cardinal Levada”. God Bless him, and may our Lord forgive us.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:13 AM By Marcha
This is a long time coming. What has taken the Vatican so long to address the fact that there are so many women who profess to be CatholicNuns, but when I listen to them, they don’t even sound Catholic.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:36 AM By Life Lady
Read the entire story and I can’t see how the LCWR can mistake any point made by Cardinal Levada. It is clearly in the LCWR court to either take to heart the reforms requested or face being replaced. There is no question that those reforms are called for if the LCWR is going to presume to represent the Church in their function. I am watching, and praying for all concerned.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:36 AM By Doria2
The sooner these heretics are decertified the better. There are too many good sisters living in fear of their uber feminist leaders.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:43 AM By MacDonald
Cardinal Levada and the Holy See are simply doing with the LCWR (Leadership Conference of Women Religious) what they are also doing with the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X): they are trying to bring disobedient groups into true Catholic standing, rather than blindly allowing such groups to claim being CAtholic while ignoring the authentic teaching of the Roman Catholoic Church expressed first and foremost in Ecumenical Councils. The LCWR and the SSPX come from different ends of the spectrum, but both show a disdain for the Holy Father and the autherntic Magisterium of the Church.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:46 AM By Janet
Talk about “what’s on their websites,” check out the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur California Province website. Go to the online store and you will find any number of LGBTQ books aimed at little children and adolescents, and many books trying to normalize same sex marriage. I have written to four of the sisters about my concern re contents of the store and not one of them had the decency to reply.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:48 AM By MacDonald
Bishop Tissier de Mallerais of the SSPX attacked the Holy Father by stating: “The irregularity is not ours. It is that of Rome. A Modernist Rome. A Liberal Rome that has renounced Christ the King…Pope Benedict XVI, while he is Pope, remains Modernist.” What could be clearer? This SSPX ‘bishop’ has taken it upon himself to condemn the Successor to Saint Peter. In so doing, he follows the example of the LCWR who reject the Pope’s authority, and he follows in the footsteps of “Independent Catholics” who do the very same thing. Whether they see themselves as liberal or conservative, they are making their own religion. Very sad.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:11 AM By Jack Jacobs
I am happy to see that the Vatican, after so many years of silence, is finally challenging a few of the many groups who claim to be Catholic but refuse to accept the doctrines and teaching authority that our Lord has given to his Church. Many of these groups have, in essence, formed their own apostate churches.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:20 AM By Andrew
The order of nuns that taught me in the 1970s were truly devout women. It was thanks to their teachings that I eventually left the episcopal church for the Holy Catholic Church. Sadly, 30 years later, if you look on that orders website and Facebook page, you’ll see photos of the “nuns” protesting in support of the occupy wall street crowd, in support of obamacare and against the keystone oil pipeline. There is no mention whatsoever of the rights of the unborn or the sanctity of marriage and, nothing really about God. Ive been told that the chapel at one of their “convents” has been stripped of the stations of the cross and turned into a new age meditation room. Is it any wonder that this order and the others who chose feminism over their vows of chastity, poverty, and OBEDIENCE are dying out? Thankfully, God has sent a new order of cloistered, adoration sisters to our diocese and that order is alive with vocations.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:37 AM By Dr. Wm. Richter
The nuns should be made to retake their vows of obediance to Rome or leave the church.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:43 AM By angela
Praying that the Holy Spirit gives strength and courage to all involved! Grateful to see that this is being addressed. Have much appreciation for the nuns in my life but have been sad over their complete support of Obama and that they ignore protect life issues as though social justice involves only the poor we can see!!
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:08 AM By Bob G
As exhibit 1 the LCWR is having Barbara Max Hubbard as their keynote speaker at their August conference in St Louis. She is a New Ager who believes in something she calls “Conscious Evolution” which I suppose is some type of neo Gnosticism. Where is a keynote speaker who affirms Jesus and Him Crucified for our salvation? Gnosticism is, of course, one of the heresies which the church fought for many years. If you google these things and the LCWR website this will be openly clear.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:49 AM By Greyghost
There is a huge difference between LCWR and the SSPX. One holds to the traditons of the Catholic Church, the other does not. Both are part of the Church. The SSPX has four Bishops that were excommunicated from the Church for ordaining priests, but since restored. The current Church authority, the Pope, is considering ways of enhancing the SSPX by possible special status (like Opus Dei). SSPX teaches no heresy. The LCWR, on the other hand, is being reigned in because of there extreme counter-Catholic viewpoints that directly conflict with Church teachings. Nice try but two completely different circumstances.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:07 AM By Jane
How about churches and retreat centers who let groups or individuals who teaches against the church for the excuse of charity. You have to be practically know the people and the place to find out because they do not post it online or do not post it on their church bulletin. Very clever for they will only advertise the catholic happenings. For sure it will affect money coming in. How can you even say the truth when you are under attack. And if ever you say something about it be ready to be a martyr for Jesus. Bless me Father but do not correct me and bless me Father but I can not correct you. It is going on for a long time now but God is alive so continue to be humble in truth.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:33 AM By max
instead of formming a new “labor union” for these nuns, why doesn’t the vatican simply tell them all to join the other, more traditional (and mo0re faithful) group that already exists? THE COUINCIL OF MAJOR SUPERIORS OF WOMEN RELIGIOUS (cmswr) could bring all american sisters together, rather than having rival groups.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:38 AM By Larry
Golly, what kind of names for Catholic Sisters are “Pat Farrell” and “Janet Mock”?
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:58 AM By Sheila
Within LCWR there are solid Catholic sisters who do not agree with their “leadership”. I have been waiting for those orders to disassociate themselves from the LCWR with a press release saying so, but I have seen nothing. Now would be the time, good sisters, to do just this for the good of your immortal souls. One of the orders within the LCWR is one I entered in 1964. They were a wonderful order, but things have fallen apart within their ranks, and the community is on its last leg with no vocations. Sad, extremely sad.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:01 AM By Del
The great wisdom of the mama Mary req us to pray from the heart,with the help of holy spirit we will know the wolfs wearing sheep skin,we better believe it, judas exist and continue to betray Jesus ,members of lcwr needs our prayer for conversion its very disgusting for them to spend their energy on new age ,cults,feminist ideas and socialist issues.obedience and humility matters,to stay faithful in serving the Jesus .
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:05 AM By Philippe
I’m sure most of us are more or less or even very familiar with the warnings of the great apostasy that was to come within the highest ranks of the Church according to Our Blessed Mother at La Salette, at Lourdes, at Fatima, and Garabandal in 1961, all appearances except the last fully sanctioned and approved as genuine miraculous appearances by the Vatican. How many know what Saint Augustine, who died in 430 A.D., said in this vein: The body of Christ which is the Church, like the human body, was first young, but at the end of the world it will have an appearance of declline”. He said this way before the apogee of Christendom some 1000 years ahead,and when Constantine’s official release of the Church from Roman persecution had, relatively, only just occurred. Please don’t be so swift in condeming believers in tradition such as the Society of Saint Pius X, THE great pope.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:41 PM By cheryl
How polarized we are within the Church! Instead of learning from the Reformation, how the faithful moved one way and the corrupt, monied clergy went another, we repeat that history. We have been warned for the past 20+ years that people need guidance and social help from the Church more than a stiff-backed response and a demand for mindless obedience. The Church still can be healed of this wound if both groups give a bit; but I doubt the hierarchy will budge. They have become too pharisaic. All before this was tolerated. This situation is too large and hurtful to ignore. Unless the hierarchy bends they will split this Church. They, not the sisters who speak mercy and compassion.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:42 PM By annika
Bob G-You are so right on to mention Barbara Marx Hubbard as the most obvious example of the thinking of LWCR. BMH espouses a belief that evolution is God. God is bringing forth a higher form of humans called “homo universalis,” a new human species, That evolution occurs through the right kind of higher level energies impacting the brain and new kinds of thinking physically transforming the brain to reach higher concousness. This mind-brain connection will give rise eventually to humans who are telepathic, translocal, etc. An example of this kind of human would be the character of Jake in the FOX TV show “Touch.” He does not speak because speech is a lower form of human evolution-an evolutionary speed bump as described in the show. Bizarre? Without question. BMH will discuss the future of the collective and individual conscousness of women religious as they face their collective and individual end of life in the terms of evolution. How is this human energy transforming and evolving? What does the energy of women religious give to the transformation of homo sapiens to homo universalis? Jesus is an example of homo universalis. The chaos of this moment is viewed as the catalytic energy to catapult women religious to the next higher evolutionary stage. This will be BMH message. Do all LWCR believe this? Some do literally, some do euphimistally, some not at all. But it gives them meaning as they witness the extinction of their religious communities. Absp. Sartain probably does not have a clue about BMH and the hold the New Age has on LWCR. But the situation is truly tragic. The need is great for us to understand the pastoral problems facing these women religious. They are dying and their communities are dying. It does not matter what the more conservative orders do as there is no turning back from their demise. These are organizational end of life issues as well as individual end of life issues.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:46 PM By MacDonald
HERESIES OF THE SSPX: Archbishop Lefebvre, Sermon, Aug. 29, 1976: “The new rite of Mass is an illegitimate rite, the sacraments are illegitimate sacraments, the priests who come from the seminaries are illegitimate priests.”
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:48 PM By MacDonald
MORE HERESIES OF THE SSPX: Archbishop Lefebvre, Aug. 4, 1976: “The Council [Vatican II] turned its back on Tradition and broke with the Church of the past. It is a schismatic council… If we are certain that the Faith taught by the Church for twenty centuries can contain no error, we are much less certain that the pope is truly pope. Heresy, schism, excommunication ipso facto, or invalid election are all causes that can possibly mean the pope was never pope, or is no longer pope… Because ultimately, since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate, the conscience and faith of all Catholics have been faced with a serious problem. How is it that the pope, the true successor of Peter, who is assured of the help of the Holy Ghost, can officiate at the destruction of the Church – the most radical, rapid, and widespread in her history – something that no heresiarch has ever managed to achieve?”
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:53 PM By MacDonald
MORE SSPX NONSENSE: Bishop Tissier De Mallerais: “The problem is not “communion.” That is the stupid idea of these bishops since Vatican II – there is not a problem of communion, there is a problem of the profession of faith. “Communion” is nothing, it is an invention of the Second Vatican Council. The essential thing is that these people (the bishops) do not have the Catholic Faith. “Communion” does not mean anything to me – it is a slogan of the new Church. The definition of the new Church is “communion” but it was never the definition of the Catholic Church. I can only give you the definition of the Church as it has been understood traditionally.”
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:27 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
MacDonald, The things you attest to the SSPX pale in comparison to things your modernist friends have been openly teaching, when are they going to separated from the Church? I think teaching at a so called Religious Education Congress:”Don’t you think that St. Joseph thought of jumping on Mary’s bones” and ” Don’t you think that Jesus was tempted to have a little foreplay with Mary Magdalene” are very serious matters, when is Fr. Richard Sparks going to face any real punishment? Sparks is just one example, there are many more in my files. Are don’t you think we traditionalist have a right to that answer? God Have Mercy on His Church and it’s people, Yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:37 PM By Farkel44
A charlatan is worse than a simple thief. The heresy of Heaven on Earth is more important than the true Heaven after death…..old Gnostic horse sheet…..with a new bow tied around it.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:54 PM By JLS
MacD, do you actually doubt Bp Tissier, in a general sense, about the bishops not having the Catholic faith, since they steered the faithful followers to vote in the most egregious abortion fanatic in history to the Oval Office? You’ve gotta be over the top like Maguire to believe that bishops pushing more abortion to end abortion is reality let alone the Catholic faith. Does this, if it indeed happens to be reality, mean the faithful should abandon the bishops? Before you can answer this question, you have to ask the question, have these bishops already abandoned the Catholic Church? Why would the Pope issue a general demand that the “bishops become holy”? Again, he did not say “more” holy, but simply “become holy”. Figure it out, dude.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:58 PM By Elizabeth
Sister Mary Clarence must be rolling around in her grave! May the Holy Spirit enlighten these women to come back to Holy Mother Church and REALLY be nuns, but new and improved!!!
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:59 PM By JLS
MacD, “illegitimate”, a legal term like “illicite”, may well be the case with the novus ordo … Even though it does not contain anything contrary to faith: But, pay attention now, Jesus tells us that “Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God”. MacD, over all does the novus ordo liturgy give us “every word that proceeds from the mouth of God”? Yeah, sure it does … wonder what the odds are at the windows in Vegas on this bet. What does the CCC, 2nd Edition say about “sins of omission”?
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:09 PM By JLS
No, MacD, neither group shows “disdain” for the Holy Father. Why? Because they are both dealing with him. Disdain is what is shown when a group or individual “shines on” the Holy Father.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:20 PM By JLS
MacD, Bp Tissier has not “attacked” the Pope. After all, how could a modernist pope tell all his bishops to get holy? Bp Tissier is simply providing the Pope with support in this regard by emphasizing the issue.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:23 PM By k
cheryl, are we polarized? No, we are split in a hundred different ways. Each one goes his own way. The doctrinal assessment of the LCWR in effect stated that the knowledge of these sisters on Catholic doctrine needed improving. From my experience in the Church, it is a real problem that the Catholic faithful no longer know or accept the Catholic faith. Apparently, the situation is the same in the religious orders. I have never encoutered a stiff-back response or a call to mindless obedience at Church. I ended up frustrated because I couldn’t get straight answers to my questions. Eventually, I found reliable sources and educated myself in the faith. I have read the doctrinal assessment. All it requires is for the orders to know and teach the Catholic faith. If you do not accept the Catholic faith, why would you want to be in a Catholic religious order? If you want to follow your own beliefs, then you should be honest and not call the order Catholic. There is nothing critical of the sister’s mercy and compassion in the doctrinal assessment. In fact, it praises and offers its gratitude for their work in schools, hospitals and among the poor. I am curious as to what doctrines of the church you find so offensive that you would want to leave the Church?
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:40 PM By max
for all you big fans of most holy redeemer parish in san francisco…wait for it…a friend just informed me they celebrate the TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS each weekdayy at 9.30 in the morning. i just checked the website for the diocese of san francisco and it seems t be true…monday thorugh friday!!!
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:29 PM By Laurette Elsberry
Max, it is unfortunate but true that sodomites have a certain fondness for the trappings and ceremonies of the Latin Mass. It is quite likely that many of the parishioners of MHR are among that group
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:08 PM By JLS
max, the Mass, whatever the liturgy, does not make robots out of anyone. Realize that many of the pedophile and other homosexual clergy got there starts prior to the onset of the novus ordo. In fact Pope Paul VI is said to have said something about the smoke of Satan has entered the Church … before the end of Vatican Council II and the new Mass. The Mass does not make the unholy holy, but serves to make the faithful holy. As St Paul informs us, some people mock God by going to Mass and receiving the Holy Eucharist with evil in their hearts.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:27 PM By Karen
Why do these nuns insist in membership in a Church whose teachings they reject? It is dishonest and scandalous, as many of them are teachers of the young. They should learn from the new, young, faithful groups of nuns that wear a habit and love the Holy Father and the Catholic Church. They are humble enough to submit to the Magisterial authority of the Church, and you know them by their fruits: They are JOY-FILLED! May God bless these new orders. The older liberal orders are dying out as there are no new nuns to support or replace the older ones.The joyful, faithful new orders have many new nuns, in some cases more than there is room for. God blesses faithfulness and humility!
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:26 PM By Cole Thornton
Mr Angelo, in your post you use the terms “us” and “we”, who are you referring to, Mexicans? You have always been very strident that everyone is against your culture. Did you not like Cardinal Levada when he was appointed because he was white/Anglo? Is that it? Are those veiled racist terms you use?
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:43 PM By MacDonald
The SSPX groupies and their actions speak for themselves. As do the other renegades: those on the left. Archbishop Lefebvre, Sermon, Aug. 27, 1986: “He who now sits upon the Throne of Peter mocks publicly the first article of the Creed and the first Commandment of the Decalogue [The Ten Commandments]. The scandal given to Catholics cannot be measured. The Church is shaken to its very foundations.” This disrespect for the Holy Father reminds me of Sister Theresa Kane who challenged Pope John Paul II way back in 1979 to ordain women. Now, “Kane, as the nation’s most identifiable advocate of women’s ordination, has been repeatedly asked if she fears a Vatican excommunication. Her response: “I’m not out of communion. The institution got out of communion with me.” Both the LCWR and the SSPX want the Vicar of Christ to bow to their wishes. I hope the Holy Father remains firm and does not allow either group to remake the Church according to their eccentricities.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:20 PM By JLS
Farkel44, Jesus says, (Matthew 12:28) “But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you”: So, does it look to you like there is no Kingdom of Heaven on earth now? Isn’t Jesus the Kingdom of Heaven, Farkel44? Or did you think Heaven is an idea of some sort?
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:06 PM By Diane
I think these nuns are lost. Why do they stay? Heck, it’s called free room and board and a free education, all at the expense of the Church. That’s us, the people in the pews. For all that the leaders of that group have been given they don’t want to serve. They want to “lead”. Most Catholics will not buy the books they write or pay to have them speak on the lecture circuit so these “nuns” are pandering to the secular world by teaching the lies of the world. The Catholic faith of many of them is so corrupted I don’t see how they can be healed. Very, very sad. Too bad God didn’t send them a Teresa of Avila but He must have His reasons. The Holy Father will have to fill the role of reformer.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:23 PM By Abeca Christian
max I almost fell off my seat with what you posted. Wow hard to believe.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:27 PM By Elleblue
I don’t care if the old, angry, bitter nuns go. What worries me is the members of these communities who have not had a voice or who have been bullyed into agreeing with liberal ideas and actions.
Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:31 PM By Angelo
MacDonald, What the SSPX condemns are the very things condemned by The Servant of God Pope Paul Vl, John Paul l, Bl. John Paul ll and Benedict XVl. The irony is that the SSPX claims it was all the fault of the Second Vatican Council. They are correct in their condemnations but are in error in blaming it on V2. We have come to understand that all the problems in the Church come from the gross misinterpretations of V2. Pope John Paul l put it like this, “Vatican l has many followers, Vatican lll has many followers, but Vatican ll has very few followers.” (Vatican lll being an imaginary Council made up of all those who misinterpreted V2). I hope and pray that the SSPX sign the Doctrinal Preamble and accept the status of Personal Papal Prelature being offered by Rome today. Do you really believe that if the SSPX were outright Heretics, Rome would be offering them a Personal Papal Prelature?
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 2:42 AM By KTF
Thank GOD for the SSPX for keeping the Faith alive. We now have the resurgence of the holy Mass of all time to revive the faith. They never left the Catholic Church; it left them behind in search of their own idea of what they wanted the Church to be. With disastrous results. (like one partner leaving their good solid marriage for an adulterous relationship and then reaping all the residual horror that comes with it………….) God have mercy on us all
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 6:24 AM By Merton Rodger
It all started when orders took off theior Habits….they had refused to be a witness….they went is search of personal success….It’s interesting that the Religious who still wear the habit are faithful top church teaching and are growing. We need to roar they recover their faith.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 6:39 AM By trish
“By their fruits you will know them…” Christ’s description of those who love and follow His teachings & are connected to His Authority given the Catholic Churchm specifically to Peter, our first recognized “Papa” ‘In Persona Criste”. WE are church, the Nuns, Priests and Laity of the faithful…we are to love unconditionally and “FOLLOW”…Christ’s lead and that of the Holy Spirit given to us in Christ & Eucharist. If we diverge from the path the Holy Spirit leads us on, we diverge from Jesus and His Plan..”.Only in God is My Soul At Rest…In Him Comes My Hope, My Salvation.”..this our most ardent plea to leadership and membership in the Family of God. To be a part of the whole or to be wholly apart is our choice…”TEPID, or LUKEWARM, ” He will want to spit us out of His Mouth…Fervent and focused on the Long-term, not the world, the flesh or the Devil…ONLY IN GOD and his Plan , which we can only hope to understand before we arrive at the Beatific Vision…all else is grass of the field. Eternal truth is held in the Church!
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 8:29 AM By scubby
Following the teachings of Christ, in total, should be the primary foundation of every Catholic religious order… I never understood why there were different ‘orders’ of Catholics except to specialize in performing a certain function needed by the Church. Other than that, there should be no ‘deviation’ in foundational believe or teaching. Those who deviate are call “protestants.” If you believe as “protestants” do, then by all means — go — they have a place for you.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 8:48 AM By EDWARD DICARLO
HERE IN CINCINNATI THERE WAS A PROTEST OF NUNS AT ST. PETER IN CHAINS CATHEDRAL BY THESE LIBERAL NUNS THAT WANT TO BE PRIESTS AND ARE FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND ABORTION AND IT WAS BEING TELEVISED. I SPOKE OUT AGAINST THEM AFTER WALKING DOWN THE STEPS WITH MY THUMBS DOWN. CHANNEL 12 NEWS PUT ON THE AIR WHAT I SAID “IF THESE NUNS DON’T WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ROME THAT THEY SHOULD BE SILENCED”. NOW THE ADVERTISEMENTS WITH VISUAL BLIPS TO PROMOTE WATCHING CHANNEL 12 NEWS 4 OR 5 TIMES A DAY HAVE A PICTURE OF ME WITH MY THUMBS DOWN WALKING DOWN THE CATHEDRAL STEPS. SOMETIMES IT PAYS TO TAKE A STANCE. IF YOU DON’T STAND FOR SOMETHING YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING!!!
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:15 AM By MacDonald
KTF, the members of the SSPX did not “keep the faith alive.” The faith is alive thanks to our Triune God who leads the Church always. Jesus prayed that “they might all be one,” but since the New Testament itself we have been squabbling over details of what is required and what is not. Must one keep the Jewish laws? Or can we be more flexible and welcome even the Gentiles? God make it clear that the latter choice was better…
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:56 AM By Bernie
I think this statement straight to my face by a nun from a convent in Kansas tops them all. “You don”t have to pay any attention to the Bible. It was just written by a bunch of old men. I asked a priest about it and he was aware she had been saying it. If you even throw out the Bible what do you have left?
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:59 AM By TM
These liberal nuns ruined my life. Get them out of the church as soon as possible.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 12:44 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
I too want the SSPX to be inside in Union with the Papacy, but not if they are required to accept the errors of Vatican II that came about when the Holy Father’s Schema was replaced with one written by the modernist which mainly exists in the documents on ecumenism. There are also many problems with ambiguity of the Documents of Vatican II, none other than Cardinal Ottaviani pointed these out. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:05 PM By JLS
Keep The Faith (the organization) used to have a free lending library of audio tapes … Tons and tons of great great great Catholic lectures.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:13 PM By Angelo
Kenneth M. Fisher, Cardinal Burke head of the Apostolic Signatura spoke about an hour ago according to CNS News. He spoke of his optimism of a reconciliation between the SSPX and the Holy Father. Among the points he made were these, “The Holy Father has very much in his heart a great determination to reach an agreement with the SSPX.”, He said of the SSPX that they would, “really be a gift for the Church”, “They have the Catholic Faith and the love for the Sacred Liturgy.”. Cardinal Burke also stated that in his talks with the SSPX Clergy and Lay members, the “Great majority” desire full communion with Rome and Pope Benedict XVl. This coming from Cardinal Burke, Head of the Apostolic Signatura and according to many, maybe our next Pope. This News comes from CNS complete with Video.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 6:43 PM By MacDonald
The “errors” of the Second Vatican Council?!? Such is the talk of heretics! The Roman Catholic Church teaches that an Ecumencial Council expresses the true faith, as we read in the CATECHISM: #891 “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful – who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” ABOVE ALL IN AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.” This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.”
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 6:45 PM By MacDonald
You might see that some people have abused or twisted or ignored the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, but to claim that the Council ITSELF was “in error” flies against the firm teaching of the Roman Catholic Church itself.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 8:15 PM By smokey888x2
It’s an odd time for the Bishops. In the past we had two political parties (mainly), one republican and one democrat. In that context being for all of mankind was very simple. However, today, the democrat party has literally been hi-jacked and thrust into the name of Progressives where there isn’t a care in the world that this includes a good number — maybe as high as 20% of socialist if not communist. If you don’t believe this, do your homework. You can start with the self-proclaimed Van Jones, a self described communist himself who worked in the White House. You might also look at the Mao holiday ornament on the White House Holiday Tree. From there watch a bit of Congressman West on Youtube and finally, Google and Bing it. Continue w/ your research and there’s a lot more. Just do one thing as you go …. connect the dots. As a result, the Bishop’s have no choice if they believe man is free. There’s no compromise with these totalitarian central government politicians’. For many, the government has become one’s church. They use the poor. And believing democrats help the poor, the good nun’s have been taken down the wrong road and they don’t even realize it. Government’s only job is to be a ref. Ref’s don’t tell either team who to play, how to play, where to play … they only ref. Government is not our church!!
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 8:40 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Angelo, Thank you, Cardinal Burke, when he was Bishop, then Archbishop Burke often took his seminarians to witness the Mass of St. Pius V. Because he was a friend of Archbishop Khai, he also became a friend of mine. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:13 PM By Francis
TM: When you wrote, “These liberal nuns ruined my life.” What exactly does that mean? It may seem obvious to you, but I can’t tell whether they caused you to lose your house or your job, or seduced your spouse, introduced bad music during Mass, or what.
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:08 PM By Angelo
MacDonald, A few years ago Pope Benedict XVl firmly stated that “the Second Vatican Council must be reinterpreted in light of Tradition”. He told the Society of St Pius X that in this endeaver their theologians could play an important role. He even expressed his own personal desire that they take part in this. You cite as heresy the Society speaking of “errors of the Council”. I believe they wrongly use this term. But what is by far worse is the fact that our leaders in the Church have gravely erred in putting the Council into practice. The Pope in an interview as Cardinal Ratzinger, said “What was said at the Council and what was done after the Council are two totaly different things.” Cardinal Burke clearly said today, June 15, 2012, About the SSPX, that they would, “really be a gift for the Church” “They have the Catholic faith and the love for the sacred liturgy.” These are powerful statements coming from one of the highest ranking Cardinals in the Church. btw today we have a deformed version of the Catholic Faith, due to misinterpretations. The SSPX, its Bishops, Priests, and Religious, could be a strong force in the restoration of the true Faith. We could re-learn what we have forgotten and learn what we never knew. Immaculate Heart of Mary obtain this for us, Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on us!
Posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:09 PM By JLS
MacD, no council is perfect; otherwise, there would not continue to be councils.
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:53 AM By Philippe
Angelo, thank you for your comments. It’s natural for American traditional Catholics to look with hope to Cardinal Burke, but I’m afraid he just won’t happen, short of a new “dance of the sun”. Father Ratzinger, acoloyte of Father Rahner, who was silenced by Pius XII, (as were most of the other pariti resurrected by “good Pope John”), Father Ratzinger “made his bones” at VAT II, is a confirmed modernist, at best the circus rider with his feet on two horses, going round and round, one on traditon, the other modernism, with the whole weight of the current Vatican modernist. The current and immediate state regarding the SSPX and Vatican is so transparently and painfully obvious. I think I first heard of the Roman “strategy” of “divide and conquer” (of the empire) at about the third grade. If Bishlop Fellay agrees to a “deal” leaving his fellow bishops to the internal wolves it will be the end of effective, organized resistance to full blown modernism, exactly the tactics applied to the FSSP leadership and on Campos in Brazil. I think it factual that at least 2 of his three fellow bishops have not been very tacful, leaving the diplomacy to Bishop Fellay, but they have been trurhful is calling heresy where they saw it, as have we all. It amazes me that sedevacancy isn’t a bigger problem than it seems to be.
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:52 AM By Chris
God is not the author of confusion. I am reading a great book right now titled “Authenticity” by the late Fr. Thomas Dubay. He mentions that it is not the Holy Spirit at work when there is dissent, discord, disobedience. The Holy Spirit’s fruit is unity, not division.
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:41 AM By Mark from PA
Mr. Fisher, you want the SSPX to be in union with the Papacy “but not if they are required to accept the errors of Vatican II.” It is the SSPX that is in error in some places. It is fine for them to have their Latin Mass but they must give up their anti-Semitic leanings and accept Church teachings.
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:21 AM By Abeca Christian
Never under estimate the gift of discernment!
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:59 AM By max
ERRORS are all over the placce, but it’s pretty whacko for a catholic to claim thaty the church itself is in eror, especially when talking about papal teaching, or a formal ecumencial council (such as nicea, laterna, trent, first vatican, second vatican, etc.). as we read in NEW ADVENT, “the hierarchy united with the pope in a general council is, now as formerly, the most complete representation of the Catholic Church.” those who disagree are, for exammple, the “old catholics” who got into a big old snit after vatican one and broke away because they refused to accept papl infallibility. this breakway has caused to many splinter groups calling them selves catholic, it’s hard to keep count!
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:03 AM By JLS
Cardinal Burke has a strong appreciation for the Traditional Mass, and I would guess he prefers it.
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:40 PM By JonJ
The SSPX are too busy preventing their high school baseball teams from playing against schools that allow girls to play, to think about any “deal” with Rome. Pretty sad that those idiots think a girl playing baseball is somehow inappropriate behavior.
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:38 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
JLS, From my association with Cardinal Burke, I would say he definitely prefers it and proves it by frequently celebrating it! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:42 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Mark from PA, 5:41 PM, You are doing exactly what a very Holy priest mystic, Fr. Tomas Matin, CMF, once told me not to do, you are attributing to the whole SSPX what some of them have done and stated. May God have mercy on your compromised soul, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:50 PM By k
TampaBayOnline reports on the newly formed Association of US Catholic Priests who are hoping to “keep the spirit of Vatican II”. They are supportive of the nun’s organization.. There are currenty 640 priests in the organization with formed last August with the intention of being a “voice for priests” and “keeping the best of Vatican II alive.”
Posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:23 PM By makrite
In my many experiences with the Catholic Traditionalist Movement, I’ve noticed that a good many of them are Sedavacantists (chair of Peter is vacant), that is, they REALLY BELIEVE that the Chair of Peter, the Holy Office of the Pope, has NOT HAD a Valid pope since at least Pope Pius XIIth (some go all the way back to Pope St. Pius X). All the rest, up to and including Pope Benedict, are Impostors. Hutton Gibson, the instant millionaire who moved his family to Australia after winning all his money in a lottery in the U.S., and father of Mel Gibson, acor & director, taught his whole huge family just that, which may be why Mel, though good-intentioned much of the time, especially in regard to the making of “Passion of the Christ,” is and has been such a MESS as a human being. In my own family there’s some very close to me who, although may hedge when asked if they’re sedavacantist, ALWAYS use their current pastors in their outlier Cath/Trad parishes (which seem to be always parishes on-the-fly saying masses in women’s clubs, protestant church buildings and so on), as catspaws who in reality do their thinking for them, and so they spew the reasons out for why their pastors think that the last four popes have especially been Sedavacantists. And YES, I believe as our current Pope Benedict has stated, that Vatican II was brilliant & needed, It’s the excesses promoted by some during and at the conclusion of Vatican II that have caused MASSIVE PROBLEMS FOR THE CHURCH. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
Posted Sunday, June 17, 2012 3:47 AM By Angelo
max, What you say would be good if it were the case. Lets look at things the way they are and not what they are supposed to be, for now at least. We cannot deny that the most anti-Vatican ll Catholics have NOT been the SSPX, its been the majority of our leaders in the Church in the last 45 years. I’m talking about those who never read the Council Documents but yet in the name of the Council they caused an unbelievable distorion of the Church itself. They claimed and claim many things as being of “the spirit of V2” and yet the Council Documents proclaim the complete opposite. These leaders ignored what the Coucil said for the sake of their own idea of creating a new Church, a new Church that failed miserably, but they stubbornly won’t accept that fact. The SSPX has rightfuly condemned all their errors with full force and the erring leaders have no power to silence them. The SSPX wrongly blames V2 itself for the whole mess. An SSPX priest said to me, “Most of the Council proclaims the tuth, there are only a few parts we don’t agree with.” The SSPX has done what the majority have not done, they have actualy read the Council Documents. So the SSPX is not the problem, its the cure. My opinion is that we who love the Church, NEED the SSPX to finaly put and end to all error. The Society when it comes to God’s truth are no respecters of the spirit of V2 hurt feelings departments, and this is not out of lack of Charity.
Posted Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:24 PM By Mark from PA
You make very interesting comments, Markrite. I have never really had any contact with sedavacantists. Your comments about Mel Gibson are on target. His father seems to have damaged him. Mr. Fisher, I am just a mainstream Catholic and don’t have contact with these groups. May God have mercy on your compromised soul also.
Posted Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:03 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
The source of all of the errors that came out after VII is really the ambiguity that was intentionally placed in those documents. Those who replaced the Schema of the Holy Father have admitted that they intentionally placed these ambiguities for the purpose of going back and using them to implant the “Spirit of Vatican II”, and there lies the crux of the disaster that came after the Council! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:28 PM By JLS
Having read the Council documents, they are fine as long as one reads them with a full consent to Church Doctrine. I see the Council as a means to get rid of a huge stack of fire wood which over the centuries has been labeled incorrectly as Catholic. VII is a means to rid the Church of a great deal of Satan’s souls.
Posted Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:37 PM By jon
It has been glaringly obvious to me that most Catholics, including many of the regulars who post here, have not read in full any of the Conciliar documents. I have personally proven this to myself when I had to point out to folks here the error in their “opinions.”
Posted Monday, June 18, 2012 7:15 AM By max
JLS intereseting point about reading the documents of the second vatican councill “with a full consent to church doctrine,” and getting rid of a huge stack of junk that had accumulatedd over the years which people just assumed was “really catholic.” one problem is that people see other people’ss behavior and blame vaticn two, or, in the old days, vatican one, rather than trealzing the problem is with people’s BEHAVIOR. for example, after vatican i we had grumps rebel against the council (“old catholics”) because they refused to accvept papal infallibility; after vatican ii we had grupms rebel against the council (SSPX) because they refused to accept doctrines like religions liberty for non-catholics. if they refuse to listen to the CHURCH…ick.
Posted Monday, June 18, 2012 7:47 AM By Canisius
PA how would you know that markrite’s soul is compromised?
Posted Monday, June 18, 2012 10:46 AM By Mark from PA
Canisius, that comment was in reply to Mr. Fisher, who uses that expression in his posts.
Posted Monday, June 18, 2012 10:48 AM By tony
The greatest enemies of the church are it’s unfaithful clergy, religious, and lay people!
Posted Monday, June 18, 2012 7:35 PM By JLS
jon, you’re a one man road show.
Posted Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:45 AM By Gordon Campbell
Cut them loose.Excommunicate them.Forbid them the use of the word Catholic and quit worrying about the reaction of the Dead Media and the Church’s enemies.Learn from the Conservatives-reply with “Scorched Earth” and lack of fear-the ones that we lose will be 5th columnist CINOs who every effort is to undermine Papal Authority and we may see a resurgence in the return of the Prodigals- those who have left the Church in disgust at milquetoast shepherds.
Posted Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:56 AM By k
Sister Pat Farrell, president of LCWR said that Catholics should be able to search for answers about faith without fear. “I don’t think this is a healthy environment for the church. We can use this event to help move things in that direction-where it is possible to pose questions that will not be seen as defiance or opposition.” In the Rome meeting, Farrrell said she did not ask Vatican officials to drop their demand for reform. “I think we could clearly see in the tenor of the conversation that that was not an option.” (Oh my God, I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three Divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I believe that Thy Divine Son became man and died for our sins and that He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe these and all the Truths that Thy Holy Catholic Church teaches because Thou hast revealed them, who canst not deceive nor be deceived.) Faith crises happen. They happen to saints and almost everybody. If you are having this deep of a faith crisis, you should not be in a leadership position. You will mislead many. “If your light is darkness, how deep will the darkness be.” (Mt. 6:23) When you are in a faith crisis, you should cling to the wisdom of the Church. These little sheep are so lost they don’t even recognize their shepherd. Prayers needed for them and for the bishops given the task of trying to help them.
Posted Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:43 AM By JLS
Those dissenters search for the type of faith otherwise known as justification, a well worn Protestant concoction. The type of mustard seed faith that Jesus talks about is different.