The following comes from a December 31 Federalist article by G. Shane Morris:
Every journalist in America has been secretly attending seminary, and now understands Christianity better than most Christians do.
But this month, the media got an opportunity to bestow their theological insights on us like never before. Did they ever.
When Wheaton political science professor Larycia Hawkins was suspended after wearing a hijab during Advent, writers at outlets like The Huffington Post thought this headline was too good to resist: “A Christian College Placed a Professor on Leave for Wearing A Hijab.”
The administration felt Hawkins failed this test by equating the God of Christianity with the god of Islam.
Except, they didn’t. Wheaton has made it clear that it has no policy regarding Islamic religious garb, or as Hawkins calls it, “embodied solidarity” with Muslims. Instead, the administration suspended Hawkins for her bizarre explanation of the stunt:
“I stand in human solidarity with my Muslim neighbor because we are formed of the same primordial clay, descendants of the same cradle of humankind—a cave in Sterkfontein, South Africa that I had the privilege to descend into to plumb the depths of our common humanity in 2014. I stand in religious solidarity with Muslims because they, like me, a Christian, are people of the book. And as Pope Francis stated last week, we worship the same God.”
Putting aside for a moment the question of how many Muslims would agree that mankind crawled from a cave in South Africa, Wheaton points out that its faculty and staff “make a commitment to accept and model our institution’s faith foundations with integrity, compassion, and theological clarity.” As part of the faculty’s jobs, the college asks them to “faithfully represent the College’s evangelical statement of faith.” In other words, what Wheaton professors say in front of students has to be recognizably evangelical. Obviously, the administration felt Hawkins failed this test by equating the God of Christianity with the god of Islam.
So here’s a heads-up for the media: We also believe the Trinity is an actual thing—a description of God’s being—and not some footnote or appendix that won’t be on the test. It’s the first thing we confess every Sunday in our creed. It’s kind of a big deal, as is the incarnation of the second person of the trinity—an idea Muslims also find abhorrent.
Three persons who share a single nature cannot be one God, at least to the Muslim mind.
Only on the most pedantic grounds can it be said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Were both religions (along with Judaism) inspired by the dealings of YHWH with a Mesopotamian nomad named Abraham? Yes. But Islam, having originated in the sixth century A.D., is a smidge further removed from those events than are Christianity and Judaism. In fact, Muhammad taught that both of those religions are corrupt, which is why he recorded a new and “perfect” revelation from God: the Qur’an.
And since the Apostle Paul told us not to believe anyone, “not even an angel,” who brings a gospel other than the one we received—well, I don’t know how to break this to you, but we tend to think Islam began with a visit from a demon. Given all of this, identifying our God meaningfully with the god of the Quran is not just difficult. It’s impossible.
I understand and even admire the impulse to show human solidarity with Muslims. No student or professor should have to feel ostracized, no matter his or her religion. Wearing a hijab isn’t beyond the pale of Nicene orthodoxy. As a matter of fact, head coverings still show up on Christian ladies from time to time.
What matters, and what the media can’t for the life of them seem to understand is this: We, as Christians, do not worship a generic God-of-the-philosophers, non-trinitarian, and infinitely customizable to various faiths. Our God insists on being known as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as revealed in the New Testament.
Who are we?
I always learned that Islam started in 610 A.D., in the seventh century. Since GOD is omnipetent, as this Christian believes, could it be that GOD is Trinitarian to Christians, YHWH to the Jews, and ALLAH to Islam?
Approx. 25% of US Muslims believe in violence for religious reasons;
Approx 51% believe that Muslims should have the right to live under Sharia Law rather than US Law.
” Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad ”
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
Once again we do not worship the “same” God, I know Vatican II would love you to believe that but it is HERESY!! According to the Quran Muslims may pretend to like us but can NEVER be a friend to a Infidel. And before I hear the old lament such as “moderate” Muslims as opposed to radical Muslims they are one in the same. Islam is Islam, yes there are many many nice Muslims that will not cut our throats but in the end Islam teaches we all must be converted.
Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God.
They do not believe in the “Trinity”.
They elevate Mohammed above Christ.
VII says no such thing. The more I learn about Vactican II, you know the one that both Karol wojtyla and Joseph Ratzinger worked on, the more I find there was nothing wrong there. They never called for many of the things that ended up happening afterwards. The evil one attempted to hijack it, and was almost completely successful, However Papa Ben spent his entire papacy fixing it the way it should have been from the beginning.
I completely agree with you about Islam though.
Vatican II praises the effort of Muslims who take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees – while at the same time implying that we worship the same God. Since inscrutable means something that is impossible to understand or interpret, are you advocating that Catholics applaud ISIS for the pains they take? Going by Nostra Aetate it would seem that what the extremists are doing is just taking pains to be precise in their exercise of religion.
Everything will be OK if we bring back the high altars!
Listen to these following brave people who have been warning the West about Islam for years and have fallen on deaf ears: Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, Brigette Gabriel, Noni Darwish, Pamela Geller, Walid Shobet all have warned us about ISLAM for years and now we are paying the price, yet there are still idiots who have their “dhimmi” heads in the sand!! New York, Paris, London, Madrid, Nairobi, Dehli, Brussels, Bangkok, Bali, all from the religion of hate I mean PEACE!! Wake up you sad poor fools
1) ISIS (aka ISIL) stands for ISLAMIC STATE.
2) CALIPHATE is: the political-religious state comprising the Muslim community and the lands and peoples under its dominion.
3) SHARIA LAW is the basic Islamic legal system derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith.
4) JIHAD is a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty.
5) TAQIYYA & KITMAN is the permissible practice of LYING to infidels (non-Muslims)
….and yet, MAC, Vatican II documents weren’t precisely accurate, that is honest, in conveying the truth about Islam. If they were, then we should be withholding judging the extreme behavior we are witnessing from ISIS.
After all, Nostra Aetate states: …”They (Muslims) adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees.
Perhaps its time for an honest discussion all around with admissions of who is lying about what.
To which I would add Steven Emerson, Walid Phares, Andrew McCarthy, David Horowitz (Jihad Watch sponsor), Daniel Pipes, Raphael Patai (The Arab Mind), and the pre-eminent scholar of Islam Bernard Lewis (What Went Wrong?; The Crisis of Islam).
so good! a friend of mine once heard cdl john wriight opine that once every 500 years islam seems to rise up and present a problem for christianity. he was thinking out loud at, it was about 1977,and went on to say that it was getting closer to that time . here in 2016 we can sit back and note that cardinal wright’s ‘500 year cycle’ theory seems to have been quite prescient.
The media is lost in space and out to lunch on practically every issue they attempt to cover. But, yellow journalism has been with us for over one hundred years, so the report is not surprising.
“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees…. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.”
….and yet we are cautioned in the Gospel to reject even Angels of Light if they should preach a different Gospel. The Koran is such a book. So while Muslims themselves may believe they are worshiping the One True God, Islam is not of God. The Koran is not the word of God.
If it were, then Catholics should be encouraged to praise the actions of those described as “Extremists” for they are seemingly taking great pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His most inscrutable decrees.
Can’t have it both ways, Dave N.
Even though V2 says likewise, Jews and Moslems do not worship the same God. For Christians, God is Trinitarian- three persons in one God. Jews do not believe in Christ nor the Holy Spirit. The same is true with the Moslems. Christ said if you deny me, the Father will deny you To separate the Son and the Holy Spirit from the Father, one is denying all three Persons.
Catholics know your Faith accurately and completely.
Read both at home:
1) a Catholic Bible;
2) “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition” (aka CCC; 1997; dark green cover in the USA).
This contains the Doctrine of the Faith.
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Dave N. A cite for the quote above, please?
That’s easy, Mike M: the quote Dave N. cites (“The Church regards with esteem the Muslims…”) is from Nostra Aetate, n. 3 (Oct. 28, 1965), NA being the most deeply flawed document of V2. It is based on a completely erroneous philosophical premise, an error highlighted in the very first section of NA: “In her task of promoting unity and love among men, indeed among nations, [the Church] considers above all in this declaration what men have in common and what draws them to fellowship. One is the community of all peoples, one their origin, for God made the whole human race to live over the face of the earth. One also is their final goal, God…”
So obvious an error is it that all men and all faiths indeed seek unity and a…
…indeed seek unity and a common final goal, God, the Father of Jesus Christ. It is simply and obviously not so, and not so with a vengeance specifically with regards to Islam.
As long as we perpetuate this false belief of a universal unity of faiths, those who profess it in the official Church are leading us on a path of decline, decay, and destruction—with a happy smiley face. :)
This wasn’t an issue in 1955!
Muslim religion is evil. Today I saw a picture of Armenian Christian girls taken starved, stripped naked and then crucified! Its a terrible injustice! Christians are enduring much throughout the world. God help us. Lord have mercy!
…if that is what you really believe to be true, Abeca, that the Muslim religion is evil, then how can you defend any call to correct the sophistry inside VII documents? For as Dave N quotes from Nostra Aetate:
“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees…. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been…
… raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.”
If they Muslims are only taking pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable (that is impossible to understand) decrees, then how is it, Abeca, that you can denounce the horror that you saw on that video and still wholeheartedly endorse Vatican II documents in their entirety?
Islam is NOT a religion of peace. And no pastoral approach from a non-binding council can make it so.
The saying: “Too many chiefs, no Indians” can be applied here. Everyone wants to be pope, but no one wants to pray, listen, or obey the truth.
Really, but Fr Karl, I thought Nancy Pelosi had been consecrated as archbishop: she deliberates so many times with such authority on matters of Catholic faith you know. :)
I’m the opposite. I want to pray, listen and obey the truth but I don’t want to be Pope.
Remember Muslims are not evil for I know many good Muslim people mostly Persians who fled after the Islamic revolution in Iran brought to you by Jimmy Carter not supporting the Shah of Iran who was not a great guy but he was ours and look what we have now in Iran!! ISLAM is what is evil and is a danger to the entire Western world as we know it since its inception by its evil founder Muhammed.
Remember in the Quran Muslims are told to befriend the infidels and then slay them. Lying is permissable in Islam, listen to these brave people, Robert Spencer “Jihad Watch”, Geert Wilders, Noni Dawish, Pamela Geller, Brigette Gabrielle, Waldi Shoebat and they will tell you the truth about what we are facing from the EVIL that is Islam.
St. Thomas Aquinas – Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4.
“He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.”
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“He (Mohammed) did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms – which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4.
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“Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness.” On the contrary, he (Mohammed) perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly.” – Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4. Footnote: 1. Sura 21:5, Sura 44:14; Sura 16:103, Sura 37:36
The man in this You tube video link below, logically and sincerely sought out the truthful reason why the name of Jesus was mentioned many more times than the name Mohammed in the Quran. This man’s strong desire for seeking the truth, ended up in converting him to a Christian. Our Lady of Fatima, (Mariam) pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen
YouTube Mario Joseph: Muslim converted to Christian
https://youtu.be/5ofapHQFySg
Saint John Bosco also wrote that Islam was a vile religion. While not everything a saint may write is dogma, when one complies all the writings of many saints, popes and theologians of the past, that person realizes that Islam is not compatible with Catholicism, and other religions.
Now look what happened on New Years Eve in the German cities of Colonge, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Muslim raping and groping German women in public and the female Mayor of Colonge blamed the German women for the actions of the Arab and North African men!! The German police were totally helpless, Germany and Europe are over!!
Jamek vigilante groups are forming all over Europe right now, think soccer “hooligans” these guys will be the ones who save Europe from the blades of throat cutting Muslims. I seriously believe a civil war in Europe is inevitable with Russia and the eastern European countries coming the aid of the West. It will be the end of the EU though which will be blessing Nationalism will make a fierce comeback