The following comes from an Aug. 16 story on the Christian Post.
Courts in Arizona and California have delivered rulings in two separate divorce cases, legally recognizing transgender marriages, including that of the world’s “first pregnant man.”
The Arizona Court of Appeals has allowed “Pregnant Man” Thomas Beatie, who was born female, to dissolve his Hawaiian marriage with another woman, while the California Superior Court has ruled that the marriage of Jake Miller, also known as Buck Angel, with Elayne Angel is valid.
A lower court had refused to dissolve the marriage of Beatie, who later got his birth certificate amended under Hawaiian law, with Nancy J. Beatie due to Arizona’s ban on such unions.
Nancy could not conceive children but Beatie still had female reproductive organs, so the latter was artificially inseminated and became pregnant, according to azcentral.com. Beatie, who has manly beard and chest, has three children but wants to marry another woman.
“The question before this Court is not whether the State of Arizona allows same-sex marriage or divorce, but whether the laws of the State of Arizona allow a marriage, lawfully entered into in another state, between two persons the foreign state formally recognized at the time of the marriage as male and female, to be dissolved,” the appellate court said in the ruling Wednesday.
“At the time of the Beaties’ marriage in Hawaii, that state only allowed marriages between a man and a woman, and Hawaii’s legislature, like Arizona’s, had established statutory authority allowing persons who had undergone a sex change operation to apply for and obtain an amended birth certificate reflecting the appropriate gender,” the ruling added.
Similarly, the California court ruled that the marriage of Buck, also born female, with Elayne Angel, held in Louisiana after California court recognized the former as male, was valid, according to advocate.com. Buck, however, updated his birth certificate only after the marriage.
Elayne wanted to avoid paying Buck spousal support in the divorce and therefore argued that the marriage should not be recognized because Buck’s birth certificate was updated only after they were married….
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This is insane. A person’s gender is whatever the person wants it to be that day. Tomorrow is another day, and one may become choose to be of another gender tomorrow. If a child is born of such sick parents, that child will have no stability and be uncertain of his/her own gender throughout life. Many ordinary adolescents have some problems adjusting to their sexuality and growing into adulthood. They benefit by having a stabile and understanding family. What will the children of transgender parents experience during that trying period of their lives?
All of this irresponsible GARBAGE is immoral and invalid, before God!! To involve immoral, SICK transgenders, false “marriages,” pregnancy by artificial insemination, and falsifying of LEGAL documents– birth certificates– NO WAY!! Our legal system has all gone down the ” latrine,” literally, in the U.S.!! Sick, immoral, unstable, irresponsible people fool around with our legal system, pretending to be “experts,” as lawyers, judges and lawmakers– only to satisfy their crazy “hippie” liberal hedonist whims, or their phony, “liberal” political needs! This is NOT LAW!! It is SICK!!
Where is all this craziness coming from?
Elected politicians who support the intrinsic evils, and appoint crazy judges.
Next people will want to marry 3 or 4 friends, or their pets.
Why not? This is freedom according to them.
We’re almost there. Brick by brick.
http://www.tinyurl.com/homoabusers
Beam me up Scotty…this planet is run by lunatics and the few sane ones are doing nothing about it.
The fact that the courts are imposing their corrupt and faceless agenda on an unwilling majority in complete disregard for rule of law approved and passed through legitimate legislative bodies should send shock waves through all communities, including the homosexualphilic lobby who are AT PRESENT the recipients of judicial anarchy. What is given by the courts can be taken by the courts and when amoral fascists are the ones doling out lawless largesse it should be of concern to these homoharpies basking in the brief glow of acceptance just WHY they’re riding on the inside of the wheel. They know in their innermost beings that what they’re doing is forbidden and abhorrent to God and society. To embrace something that throughout history has been vilified must surely be like dancing with death for these moths fluttering ever closer to the flame. If I were such a one I would surely at some point take a hard look at who is forcing this issue….the so-called gay lobby (oh, brother) of course, but why large corporations? Why the person of interest occupying the White House? Why are zero population promoters like George Soros, (whose shelf life is waaaaay overdue and is stinking like moldy cheese….but, I digress) all foisting this ant-life, anti-God, ant-common sense issue? Are these people going to defend one another when they come to the Throne of God?
the sky is falling! the sky is falling!
Because it’s the right thing to do.
Since,
Since I don’t know which “peter” you are, the Catholic one or the Church of Nice one, I will say this: “when you stand before Eternal Judge, if you repeat your silly remark when you go before HIM. He is liable to tell you that you are right as far as you are concerned because the sky is falling!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Kenneth M. Fisher
Well, anonymous, we agree on something. The sky is falling. Jesus said there would be signs in the sky though of the end times we would not know when . Most assuredly when a society embraces the wanton killing of its own innocents, fornication and the union of males or the union of females (and who knows what is next) it is definitely a sign of the coming of evil times. We are called to holiness and to strengthen and support one another as the world as we know it starts to disintegrate. We’ve all been warned, many times. “He who laughs has not been told the terrible news.” Brecht Have a nice day, Chicken Little!
Dana, the Old Testament repeatedly tells the story of what happens to the Israelites when they disobey God and turn to the pagan ways of their neighbors. They are always persecuted by the godless people they have chosen to emulate. We only have to look at what many Catholics of the past 50 years have chosen to participate in; contraception, fornication, divorce with unlawful remarriage, abortion, in-vitro fertilization procedures, supporting the redefinition of marriage, supporting godless politicians, and participating in pornography. Anyway, that is probably the short list. Our fate will only worsen until a substantial amount of Catholics repent and turn back to God.
the courts has become a mockery and a fool’s court. the only thing real here are the party’s DNA. the court need to reverse itself on traditional marriage and do the same with abortion. it is abusive to subject innocent children into such debauchery and fallacy to call these type of relationships marriage. the moral bar and judgement is at its all time low.
Next Step – to Force the Catholic Church to perform ‘heterosexual marriage’ of Same Gender Activists – and use Civil Rights law to punish the Church if it refuses to pander to the Sick Lie that these pathetic souls ever could change gender.
Dr. Anthony Daniels (Anything Goes) had some deep insights about the scam:
“…what I suspect a large majority of people think: that there is something Grotesque, and even repugnant, about the idea of sex-changes, let alone sex-changes for 12 year olds.
A feeling of repugnance is not a complete moral argument, of course, something deeper is required. Nevertheless, an intuition that an action of policy is profoundly wrong is the beginning, if not the end, of moral reflection.”
“… But I was aware that trans-sexuals now form a considerable lobby group, not because of their numbers, which is inconsiderable, but because of support from that part of the intelligentsia that sees the dissolution of boundaries if not as God’s work exactly, then as the work of the morally elect…”
“ – lobby groups have a way of exacting a price for the expression of views very different from their own. They are able to portray that persona that opposed them as unreasonable and bigoted, as some kind of pea brained andeluvian.
And the fact is that they are probably prepared to put more effort into doing this than the person who opposes them is prepared to put in to defending his opinion…
Because he is not a monomaniac or one issue person, unlike at leas some of his opponents…
I don’t care very much about trans-sexualism, and so I didn’t want to risk even a small amount of public opprobrium from right thinking people on the subject”
Michael M.,
For true believers, there is really only one way to look at our current predicament, and that is to realize how many opportunities for Sainthood it allows us!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Kenneth M. Fisher
As Pope Francis has said, “Don’t dialogue with the devil,” and as a passed Saint added when he said the comment first, “He is too cunning.” All this dialogue with some of those caught up in perversion, and who are destroying themselves, is fruitless. Say it once and let it go. The pendulum ALWAYS swings back the other way, and that is already happening.
And meant “past Saint” instead of “passed Saint” in my post today at 11:53 a.m.
Kenneth, I did not mean my last post just for you. It was a general comment that I put in the wrong place. Sorry!
Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius.
Why is it any of my business whether a person is a man or a woman?
It is if they are parading as a member of the opposite sex and entering into “marriages” that harm children, families and society. Look around: children as young as 12 are being given hormones if they are lead to believe they should be the opposite sex. Schools are teaching children younger than that about the glories of being bi-sexual or transgendered, causing nothing but heartache and confusion for children who are not these things, but due to their vulnerable ages are mislead. And the public thinks the priest scandals were bad?? (of course they were, but cannot hold a candle to the damage that is being done by our public schools!) This is child abuse! So is raising a child in a home where he or she is told that a “man” gave birth to them. That is a horrible and damaging lie to perpetrate upon a child!
The “supposedly first pregnant man” is a woman. Period. She had to stop taking the male hormones that made her look more like a man so that she could conceive (by AI which is immoral!). Being a woman then took over and she delivered a baby the way all women deliver babies: out of the uterus! Is the public really so stupid that they believed a man gave birth? Maybe just Oprah!
So this is all just a disgusting masquerade for the self-centered who think they need to “own” a baby and possess a ‘wife or husband” that doesn’t exit. Pray for these children, they have a rough life ahead.
yfc, since you proudly claim to be Catholic, I must admit that I am puzzled by your question.
YFC, Because according to the 2014 California State DEMOCRATIC Platform they want the taxpayers to pay for sex change operations and hormones for the rest of these people’s lifetime.
and
Because these men want to use women’s rest rooms, and visa versa.
Huh?? Shakin’my head? It is so bizarre I couldn’t follow it!
Check out the 2014 California State DEMOCRATIC Party Platform on the internet.
The Democrats want all of us taxpayers to pay for these operations and pay for hormones for the rest of the life of these people. (But not for their mental health issues).
Where are the CA Bishops regarding the State Platforms? Or I forgot, they are too busy with solar power climate change, and getting their share of the USCCB’s $63 MILLION in Federal Grants to assist ILLEGAL aliens, and propagating other Obama goals.
“Your Fellow Catholic” and “peter” and “Anonymous”: It matters because America — to a few anyway — is a land like no other in history, and its historical place is perverted, perhaps placing it beyond God’s patience. Sounds corny, right? But many of us believe this. The miracle of this country is being eliminated, “brick by brick” as “juergensen” rightly says, due to our courts, which have become corrupted by the political process, killing the notion that America is ruled by law. Notwithstanding the constitutionally protected uber-primacy of the electoral process, courts continue to be the playthings of perverted politicians and small minorities that force their sewage down the gullet of this Country through judicial fiat. At some point — perhaps — a court will say that the electoral process must be recognized and endorsed as final (unless upset by future elections). Waiting for such a decision from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals on homosexual marriage. Then the Supreme Court will need to look at this, with America very much at risk.
The Supreme Court will validate the constitutionality of marriage equality for the nation and then America and marriage will move forward all that much better for it.
The electorate IS the final word. It’s just that the the Constitution is the highest law of the land, and for 200 years we have understood that the Supreme Court’s job is to say what the law is. Ultimately, if the people believe that the Supreme Court has erred, it can pass a Constitutional Amendment to clarify things.
I’m sorry if you think the country is being dismantled brick by brick. With Supreme Court decisions saying that money is the same as constitutional free speech rights (Citizens United) or that corporations enjoy freedom of religion (where does it say THAT in the Constitution??), when citizens can be spyed upon by their own government without a warrant, and when endless wars of agression are waged in our name – those sitting on the left may agree with you. Republicans have so gerrymandered Congressional districts that changing all this is almost impossible, and our country was faced with government shutdowns, defaulting on its financial debt, and a border situation that Congress won’t correct. Our local police are armed with military grade equipment and turn them on their own citizens who peaceably assemble. And crazy people keep telling us that our President is a Muslim from Kenya.
We have a lot of problems in our country, but ultimately, whether we are on the right or the left, we need to become more active and vocal at protecting what we believe the values of our country stand for.
YFC writes, “we need to become more active and vocal at protecting what we believe the values of our country stand for.”
YFC, We know what you believe, we recognize the distorted values that you currently represent. YOU need to become more vocal and active in asking God to free you from the slavery of encouraging yourself and others to rationalize their sins. Your values and your priorities are not ordered properly and until you repent for your valuing the enabling of mortal sin, then you’re posts about protecting the values that our country stands for will never be taken seriously.
Catherine and her CCD cohorts never miss an opportunity to slam me every chance they get. How Christian of them.
yfc, you call admonishing the sinner “slamming” and un-Christian? Wake up! Read the Gospels. Jesus Christ did not start a religion of tolerance of sin.
YFC, the Courts do not have the authority to re-write laws – per Federal and State Constitutions.
(Yet many do.)
I hope you do not VOTE for any politician/candidate that publically supports any of the INTRINSIC EVILS of:
Abortion, Euthanasia,
Contraception, Same-sex marriage, Cloning, Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
https://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
Dear Dottie, you are correct when you say courts do not have the authority to rewrite laws (at least not in the US). But they do have the authority to say what the law is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison
“Your Fellow Catholic”: You are so lost (along with your friends) regarding (1) the constitution, (2) the proper reach of the judicial system, and (3) the rule of law. In fact, the courts are the new battleground, and the electoral process means next to nothing (except for the right to appoint judges). Courts long ago strayed beyond their legitimate boundaries in issuing “this is the way that things ought to be” edicts. Society has the complete right, under the constitution, to establish boundaries for sexual ethics and for marriage. There is no rational basis — aside from the demand to legitimize sexual deviancy — to compel a state to recognize homosexual sex, or marriage. Without this, as a noted author recently said, “everything changes.” Many of us voted to forbid these type of practices. How, then, does a court have the power to appoint a new moral theology for America? It is really pretty simple. “YFC” you are also completely wrong about Republicans; it is the Democratic Party that stands for (1) state sanctioned, and paid for, murder of the unborn in the name of sexual license, (2) complete sexual license, (3) elimination of American “exceptionalism,” (4) reduction of America’s ability to protect itself (seen so brilliantly in the ISIS murder of Mr. Foley), and (5) destruction of religious freedom (or, the demand that a de facto State religion be created). You crow about the Democrats because they support homosexual perversions, but you do not understand that they are all about power, and despise honor, duty, country (and, of course, God). Why worship the Devil so publicly?
So two couples who, according to the Catholic Church, should not and could not have been married were granted divorces. Why does this bother you in the slightest?
Sodomy marriage should never be law in the first place.
There is no such thing as sodomy marriage.
In sodomite Amerika there is.
Forced Political Re-Education, er, um, uh… ‘sensitivity training’ is to the Gaystapo of today, what the stiff arm ‘heil’ salute was to their predecessors in the Homo-nazi Reich of Ernst Rohm & his protege hitler.
Meaning open Proof of Pandering – lest they be targeted for even more tolerance training at Dachau; an equal opportunity ‘work camp’ opened to All opponents of said Gaystapo first run by the Homosex Terrorist ‘SA’
(the ‘Storm Troopers’, under the party founding corophile pederast Ernst Rohm) in 1933, and never really closed…
– at least in the hearts and minds of the truly ‘tolerant’ – such as those who sued to Deny Catholic Choice of Conscience.
One does wonder – whether a ‘happy’ wedding themed on the movie / play “The Producers” (featuring the hit musical # “Springtime 4 Hitler”) could also be covered by the ruling – even if the couple objected to making swastika based cakes & decorations?
SEE
“Catholic couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host same-sex ‘wedding’ at their farm…
Additionally, the Giffords must provide sensitivity training to their staff, and prominently display a poster highlighting state anti-discrimination laws.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-couple-fined-13000-for-refusing-to-host-same-sex-wedding-at-their
They are getting us fired for our belief that marriage is a union between a man and a woman. And now they are taking our yards away from us and using our yards to host celebrations of relationships that are oriented towards sodomy. The sodomy people have all the rights. We have none. We are living in a homosexual fascist police state.
Dear Ski Ven – None of you, NONE- have been fired for believing whatever you want to believe because of any government policy. What you might get fired for is for treating some people differently than you treat other people. That is a very important difference. If you work in my shop, and you believe a customer is a draft dodger, for example, that is just fine, you can believe that. But if you don’t sell them a cup of coffee at my shop because you have come to some conclusion about what they do outside of my coffee shop, then I will fire you. Yes, that is my right.
Stop lying, YFC. It has already been documented that people got fired for the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. The firing of the Mozilla CEO is the latest example. Your side tried to shut down Chick-Fil-A because you objected to the owner’s beliefs. Your side even had local government officials threaten to take police state action against Chick-Fil-A. I was not talking about selling a cup of office either. I was talking about forcing people who believe that sodomy is a sin to condone it. Like forcing someone who believes that sodomy is a sin to directly participate in a ceremony that honors the commitment of a couple to exclusively sodomize each other till death do they part. People should not be forced to do something that they believe is a sin. Stop imposing the primacy of your conscience on other people. I guess some consciences are more equal than others. I guess what we have here is the supremacy of the homosexual conscience. Stop promoting homosexual supremacy.
Correction for my previous comment:
The sentence should read as follows:
I was not talking about selling a cup of coffee either.
Sorry folks.
Ski Ven – Mozilla CEO lost his job not due to any government policy or action, but becuase of the internal politics of the company. No government action, not even the recommendation of any LGBT rights organization.
No one at Chic fil A lost their job because of government action. And the issue with Chic fil A was not because of what he believed, but because of the donations he made…donations in the millions of dollars…actions he took to deprive others of their rights. No one is fired or put in prison for their beliefs. None. So when it comes to lying, perhaps you ought to take your own advice.
In contrast, if a person believes in same sex marriage, schools all across the country are firing them. And in most states in the US, you can be (and often are) fired simply for being LGBT.
YFC, you are trying to make it look like homosexuals have nothing to do with using the government to punish Christians. You must have written your comment for people who have really short memories and do not know how to use a search engine. The words “Chick-Fil-A mayor government threatens” can dig up a treasure trove of articles that contradict that narrative. Here are just a few highlights: The mayor of Boston vowed to block Chick-Fil-A from opening a restaurant in the city. He was joined by a Chicago politician who also said he will block Chick-Fil-A from opening a restaurant in his ward. The Mayor of San Franciso said that Chick-Fil-A should stay away from San Francisco. There is much more than can fit in a 250 word comment. The president of Chick-Fil-A operates the company on biblical values and upholds God’s definition of marriage. If that is what you call denying homosexuals their rights, then fine. What I just said can be verified by external sources. Why should Christians be threatened by Government officials because they donate to causes that you don’t agree with? Your commentary exhibits the kind of mentality that is behind the IRS’s targeting of tea party and traditional marriage groups. No wonder why Brendan Eich lost his job.
This external source contradicts YFC’s narrative that homosexuals have nothing to do with the firing of Mozilla’s CEO:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/27/mozilla-ceo-prop-8-_n_5042660.html
YFC never did give me a straight answer when I asked him if he was the same Your Fellow Catholic that did not know about someone named MarkF commenting here or if he is the Your Fellow Catholic that was debating with MarkF here. Will the real Your Fellow Catholic please stand up?
I never said that there were no gay people who called for his resignation. I said no LGBT rights organizations did. The article you site doesn’t describe any organizations (though it says there were some), it sites two individual gay people who operate a company that collaborates with Mozilla.
I agree with you there were some local governmental officials who tried to keep CFA out of their cities. All of those efforts failed, as they should, because there is no governmental reason for such action. Because all of those actions failed, I stand by my statement that no one lost his or her job because of governmental action.
As to how many of us there are, I have answered that several times. You make up this story, why exactly?
So what? The point is your side does not tolerate people who believe that marriage is between a man and a woman and will try to use the government to destroy them. Just because they failed to destroy Chick-Fil-A does not mean that they will not keep trying. They are still filing lawsuits to force people to participate in ceremonies that celebrate the commitment of a couple to exclusively sodomize each other. Sweet Cakes by Melissa did not want to bake a cake in honor of a couple’s commitment to exclusively sodomize each other. ( Sodomy is a sin. ) Guess what happened next. The Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries came after them. Not only that, sodomy rights groups launched protests and pickets outside the family’s store. They threatened vendors who did business with the bakery. The family’s children were the targets of death threats. I bet you conveniently have never heard of such things. It looks like some consciences are more equal than others. This looks like homosexual supremacy. I asked you the same question several times and you never did answer me. Why can’t you just give a straight answer? I guess you are just too superior to answer a simple question. What story are you saying that I made up? Oh, wait, you probably can’t answer that either.