Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 12:05 AM By Sawyer
What will be done to ensure that Catholic elementary and high schools are providing sound and faithful catechesis?
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 2:25 AM By charlio
You can read the full text of “Flawed expectations: the reception of the Catechism of the Catholic Church”, by Msgr. Michael Wrenn and Kenneth Whitehead, by searching for “Wrenn Whitehead Flawed Expectations”. (And Msgr. Wrenn hosted an entire series, “Catechism and Controversies”, on the EWTN Audio Library.) In Chapter 4 of “Flawed Expectations”, “The English Translation of the Catechism “, you can read how the first draft translation from the original French of the Catechism of the Catholic Church was corrupted by inclusive language, as produced by Fr. Douglas Kent Clark, (now Pastor of Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church, Port Wentworth, GA). Msgr. Wrenn and Fr. Gerald Murray of NY came into possession of advance copies of this seriously deficient translation. Later assisted by Fr. Joesph Fessio, the matter came to the attention of Cardinal Ratzinger and other Vatican authorities. This is the reason English release of the CCC was delayed for quite some time. If you find that this story encourages you to study more closely the priceless treasure of the Catechism, be sure to thank Fr. Clark for helping, if only inadvertently, to highlight its importance by his obfuscations. But, first, be sure to pray for him.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 3:22 AM By Traditional Angelo
Sounds Great! But will this be sabotaged the way they did Summorum Pontificum. The way things have gone and are going in the Church, the only way for this endeaver to succeed is for the Traditional laity to intervene. This sounds like a huge battle. We may win some, but I expect alot of compromise. When Summorum Pontificum came out, I thought the Victory was won. But it was’nt! I’m not too optimistic. If this does succeed then it would be a miracle. I wish there was an all out Rosary Crusade for this intention. If Communism fell, then Modernism could fall as well. As for myself as a Soldier of Christ I intend to be a major nuasance during the “Year of Faith”.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 3:23 AM By Juergensen
The “quality of catechesis” in America presently is – and for the past 40 years has been – simply atrocious. It would take a miracle for catechetical materials in the U.S. to be in “complete conformity with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.” For instance, leading the way in hostility to the CCC, the USCCB recently removed from its website home page any mention of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Yes: now there is NO mention of the CCC on the USCCB home page. As such, this new CDF document is welcome news, but unless there is teeth behind it, it will be just another document from Rome ignored by the American bishops.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 5:54 AM By ANNE
The “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” is for the entire world and is printed in many languages. The message above is for the entire world. HOWEVER, in the ‘LITERATE’ USA there is no excuse for secondary (lessor) catechisms to be printed or used for those over age 16. The suppression of the “CCC 2nd Ed” is an abomination, and an arrogant act on the part of some Bishops. Experiments by US Bishops over the last 40 years with lousy catechesis must stop. Each of us should contact our Diocese Bishop requesting that the “CCC 2nd Ed” be used in all Catholic Seminaries, Church catechesis including RCIA, Catholic High Schools for 11th and 12th grades, and all Universities calling themselves Catholic. Nothing will change in the USA unless the faithful demand it. “….the Catechism has raised throughout the world, even among non-Christians, and confirms its purpose of being presented as a full, complete exposition of Catholic doctrine, enabling everyone to know what the Church professes, celebrates, lives and prays in her daily life” – JPII, CCC,pg xiv. (YOUCAT which references the CCC for young teens, and the Baltimore Catechism for children are excellent being age appropriate.)
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 7:39 AM By Larry
“…Examining ‘local catechisms and various catechetical supplements in use in the particular Churches,’ in order ‘to ensure their complete conformity with the Catechism of the Catholic Church,’” should have been a task undertaken by each and every bishop in his diocese long ago. It is profoundly troubling that such a review must be ordered by the Holy See, and even more troubling that they are assigning the task to the bishops’ conferences. I have no trust in the USCCB’s ability or willingness to do anything but whitewash the state of catechesis.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 9:00 AM By St. Christopher
Wonderful idea to use the media to its fullest extent. Also a good idea is to direct conformity, by the bishops, to Summorum Pontificum, which represents the clear will of the Holy Father. The Faithful are mislead by bishops that refuse to recognize the “extraordinary” sacraments, as many, many, so. Instead of waiting out the aging Pope, bishops should and must evangelize the largely ignorant Catholics in America by teaching them about the true Church, its own language (Latin), its patrimony of music, and the full Deposit of Faith. We do not need yet another opportunity to hear flatulent calls for “social justice” or “greater involvement of women in the Church” or “married priests/women priests” — all of which is threatened under this type of banner. The new secretariat will be very helpful if it does these things, including giving a proper understanding to Vatican II.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 9:49 AM By Dave N.
Seems like every year should be a Year of Faith, with a focus on the Eucharist.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 10:04 AM By Abeca Christian
Larry, TAngleo and Juergenson are realisitic and I agree with their comments as well. The CCC is out but it needs to be taught and enforced just like the Bible too! We need to be submerged with the word of God for those extra graces. Dave N is correct too because not all Catholics understand the reality of the Eucharist and many do not attend Mass on a regular basis. That is why the focus should be strong. For those who receive the Holy Eucharist and have committed a grave sin, they are the Catholics who continue watering down the teachings of the church, they are spiritually blinded and this leaves us praying that our priests and bishops to continue to teach about those grave sins. They need to be consistent and direct, not indirect which many a times some leave mass wondering what exactly was the priest trying to convey.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 10:22 AM By k
Juergensen is correct about the CCC not being on the new USCCB website. But if you use the search bar you will get a link to the old website that has it. On the page with the CCC there is also a link to the protocol for determining a chatechisms conformity to the CCC-lists on what the catechsim must contain. Also we need to realize that the whole of Catholic Faith is not in the catechism; the Bible, private revelations, lives of the saints and liturgical catechesis also need to be taught. Most catechisms I have recently seen try to do it all but a catechist needs a great knowledge to answer questions and “flesh out” what is in the books. If you taught solely the CCC, you would be leaving your students in ignorance of some things that Catholics should know.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 11:16 AM By Juergensen
Larry makes an excellent point. If the implementation of these catechetical guidelines is left up to the USCCB, we can expect another 40 years of non-catechesis in the U.S. Indeed, the USCCB has now REMOVED from the home page of its website the formerly prominent link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. There is now NO mention of the CCC on the USCCB’s home page. Apparently pleased with the catechesis of these past 40 years, perhaps the USCCB will soon wave a “Mission Accomplished” banner from its opulent Washington DC headquarters.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 11:17 AM By Christopher
Shouldn’t Scrupture, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Compendium of the CCC, and YouCat (Youth Catechism of CCC) be mandatory reading and the basis for all catechists, youth ministers, adult faith formation??
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 11:37 AM By Clinton
I am glad to hear of a renewed effort to teach the Catechism of the Catholic Church. However, as long as liberal bishops and priests continue to ignore what the Holy Father says (as we have seen with Summorum Pontificum), then it will not amount to much. I pray these ‘ecumenical initiatives’ will result in true Christian unity, the return of the separated to the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. +JMJ+
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 12:15 PM By Catherine
Complete Conformity? Why would many bishops or the USCCB’s teeth have to be behind anything? There is a generational slew of very dumbed down chancery patsies collecting nice paychecks (professional Catholics) and supportive enablers (progressive friends and laity) that help to keep things just the way they are. Be not afraid! Lift up the rock and expose the error to the light of day instead of shading error with elm trees.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 12:58 PM By MIKE
The good news is that no Bishops’ conference can make any changes to the “CCC 2nd Ed” itself, with the copyright being held by the Holy See. The bad news is that if Bishops can print or use other less complete catechisms some will continue to do so, so the faithful will remain ignorant regarding some teachings of the Church. Please let us all lobby our own Diocese Bishop as mentioned by ANNE that the CCC be used rather than some watered down catechism. The “CCC 2nd Ed” has been available for almost 12 years in the USA, and most US Bishops still do not use it, reference it, or promote it. Since the USA population is literate, there are no excuses. Americans don’t need conformity using other catechisms – we need the “CCC 2nd Ed” itself – zero changes. Conformity does not mean “complete”.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 1:41 PM By Maryanne Leonard
Although it’s sad that such proclamations are even necessary, this is indeed exactly what is needed. Once again, I salute our wonderful Pope Benedict, the man for the hour.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 1:52 PM By Traditional Angelo
St. Christopher, You said, “Wonderful idea to use the media to its fullest extent.” You have thought of a powerful tool that could not possibly fail. When the Anaheim Convention comes during the “Year of Faith”. A peaceful protest from faithful Catholics demanding the fullnes of Truth, letting media outlets know in advance. Lets no longer beg for the full deposit of faith, lets demand it! It rightfuly belongs to us and we want whats ours! This time we must not take no for an answer.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 4:20 PM By Elizabeth
Re: the catechism on the USCCB page… It is linked under the “What We Believe” section… so while not highlighted on the first page it is accessible nonetheless.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 6:13 PM By Bob One
I remember when I was in first grade 65+ years ago (yes I can remember back then, it’s yesterday I have a problems with) we had a catechism that was about 30 pages long, with lots of pictures, etc. As I moved up through the grades, we were introduced to the Baltimore catechism (green?). Neither of those were the complete catechism. When we proclaim the need to teach the catechism, we need to think about “grade appropriate” books and materials. The full catechism would certainly be a turn-off to kids in grade school or middle school. For literate adults, it might be fine. But the truth is, very few people read the book from front to back. Most catholics don’t even know it exist anymore. Many priests, I suspect, have never read it through and through. I’ve read it, and it is a slog. It really is a reference book, not something that you sit down and read. Most Priest have to allocate most of their time to pastoral care, not teaching dogma. Most are trying to get kids to come to mass after their confirmation, not sitting them in a corner to memorize the catechism. We need to learn the catechism, but we also need to develop interesting age appropriate ways to teach it.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 7:49 PM By Juergensen
Elizabeth: Thanks for confirming my point that the USCCB has removed the link to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” from its website home page. The link used to be there; now it’s not. More, your instructions on how to access the CCC through the USCCB website are not correct. To access the CCC through the USCCB website, one must engage in Internet gymnastics: click “Beliefs and Teachings”; then click “What We Believe”; then click “Catechism of the Catholic Church”; then click “Catechism of the Catholic Church” to be sent to the USCCB’s “old site” where the USCCB has relegated the CCC. Whew! So much effort just to access the precious Catechism! It may be easier to access the CCC through the websites of Protestant seminaries. You see, Protestant seminaries actually stock and use the Catechism to learn what the Catholic Church teaches. Too bad Amchurch doesn’t.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 9:40 PM By OSCAR
The Catechism of the Catholic Church can more easily be accessed through the Vatican web site. Also St. Charles Borromeo in Picayune, Mississippi is licensed by the Holy See to have the CCC in its entirety. I have both of these marked as favorites.
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 10:21 PM By Traditional Angelo
Bob One, There are 2 ways of reading the Cathecism. One way is just reading it, the other is reading it in order to live by it. As for a priests “pastoral care”, what is that? If not pastoraly teaching the dogmas of the faith! Memorizing the Cathecism in order to live by it is what the “Year of Faith is all about. To study the Cathecism is useless if we are not disposed that the purpose for it is to live by it. The Baltimore Cathecism as BXVl as Cardinal Ratzinger said is the best Cathecism he had ever seen from the whole world. Memorizing is good only if it be for the purpose of living by it. Otherwise its a waste of time. If I may ask. What exactly do you mean by a priests “pastoral care”?
Posted Friday, January 06, 2012 11:00 PM By Abeca Christian
Juergensen I am thankful that you are here with us, you have been consistent and truly a real genuine person full of zeal and love of the faith. I appreciate and enjoy reading your comments, they are not only logical but truly bare truth!
Posted Saturday, January 07, 2012 10:48 AM By k
The year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus, and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.” They are asking the bishops conferences (in our country, the USCCB) not only to improve catechesis and catechisms but to use the media to evangelize “focusing on the faith, its principles and content.” I hope when they do so they are supported by Catholics and not criticized. That would give a very bad witness to the Church. The year of faith begins on the anniversary of Vatican II and part of what the Pope wants is to disprove those who say there was a rupture in the Church’s teaching after Vatican II. This should be an interesting year. I really hope all take it seriously. At my parish, usually the years (Rosary, Paul, Father, Son, Holy Spirit before the millenium) have come and gone with barely a mention, but some of the magazines and booksellers devote extra space to the theme so that all can participate. God bless you all.
Posted Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:07 PM By Juergensen
Abeca: Thank you for your kind words.
Posted Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:32 PM By Bob One
Traditional Angelo, you and I may use different words to describe the same thing, but … When I use the term “pastoral care” I was refering to the fact that the typical parish priest now days starts the day with Mass. Then he is off to the hospitals to visit the sick, then to the shut-ins. If he is lucky, he gets an hour before lunch to workout at the gym before he has to be in his office working on his Sunday homily and the homilies for each Mass during the week. Then he is off to help get a kid out of jail, counsel with a couple going through a divorce, a young girl who has just had an abortion and need spiritual guidance, or an abusive husband who is beating his wife or kids. Back at the office, he has time to meet with the head of the pastoral council or the finance council to put the agenda together for the evening meeting. Then, he is off to someone’s house for dinner where he will be asked for spiritual guidance. By 7pm he is back at church for committee meetings, parent club meetings or for faith formation classes. If he is lucky (schedule wise) he can make it to bed by 11pm. An then there are the nights when he is awakened at 3pm because a parishioner is dying. Our parish priest is a little like St. Francais. He preaches the gospel every minute of his life, and sometimes he uses words.
Posted Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:54 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Traditional Angelo, “Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.” will soon be holding a planning meeting for demonstrations at the upcoming REC, we sure could use your help. I am in the Anaheim telephone book under my name and under “Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.” Hope to hear from you and anyone else interested soon! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:54 AM By MIKE
Bob One, our most two recent Popes have taken care of your concerns about age appropriateness. The “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” (first printed in USA in March 2000) is great for everyone over age 16. “YOUCAT” is for young teens with a Moto Proprio from Pope Benedict (2011). The “Baltimore Catechism” is still the best for children. Over the past generation (age 40 and younger), many Catholics do not even know that it is a mortal sin to miss Mass on Sundays, etc, etc, etc. They were never properly taught using incomplete catechisms or no catechism at all. So now to “catch up” and make certain that the TRUTH is taught completely and without reservation, – we as individuals must publically promote reading the CCC within our own Parish, own Diocese, and on the internet. Please read “shattered catechesis” starting on page 72 in the “Ratzinger Report”, it is very well explained. People can not adhere to what they do not know, and then Bishops wonder why they have problems with obedience to Church teachings.
Posted Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:02 AM By MIKE
T. Angelo, in some cases you may be correct that Priests have never read it. I gave a “CCC 2nd Ed” to our Pastor last year. Based upon what one can afford, everyone should give them as Christmas gifts, birthday gifts, Easter gifts, Wedding gifts along with a Catholic Bible, and for other special occasions. In addition, give them to non-Catholics so they will know the truth of what the Catholic Church teaches. The CCC is an excellent reference book as well. Since Our Lady of Akita has warned us against false teachers within the Church (Bishop against Bishop, etc), everyone needs a correct point of reference. Help Save Souls – expecially of those close to you. Actively promote the CCC.
Posted Sunday, January 08, 2012 10:16 AM By JLS
Is there any section that talks about being out in the solace of the desert and wondering what man is up to? The occasional fighter jets roar overhead, concussive blasts from their distant bomb range scare the dog (guess the local animals get used to it), remnants of high altitude weather devices dot the scape, thoughts of men on the moon, men and women on space ships in orbit, space ships heading for distant planets and galaxies … then one might think of the profusion not only of languages on earth but of confusion within the same languages, competing moral systems, man’s depiction in word and deed of God: This has to be one of the more difficult things to sometimes get a glimpse of since before Christ there were only idols of false gods, but now there are debasing depictions and idols directed at the historically visible God, Jesus Christ. One then might recall the story of Nimrod who shot an arrow into the sky from the new tower he built, and tried to hit God in the eye with that arrow: Is this the story of man, a story both ancient and new, a story that never changes? What about man in union with God? Is he part of this? What is the beast with one foot on land and one in the sea described by St John? Is it man attempting communion with both the world and with God at the same time?
Posted Sunday, January 08, 2012 10:08 PM By Traditional Angelo
Kenneth M. Fisher, Thank you for that invitation. As you know because of physical health I would not be able to join all of you physicaly. But I will pray a Rosary daily asking Our Lady Crusher of all Heresy, to assist in this great event. God Bless!
Posted Sunday, January 08, 2012 11:03 PM By Traditional Angelo
Bob One, You have described the priests from 30 years ago. You are lucky to still have such a priest. There are still many good priests like the one you mention. Mother Angelica of EWTN would say, “If you need a priest go to the nearest golfcourse.” Many priests today have shed their Holy responsibilities. Many times I shrug off going to speak to a priest, it seems to me a waste of time, and at times it actually is. We do agree as you say. When a priest performs his Pastoral duties as you describe it is his opportunity to make known the Dogmas of the Church, as the teachings of the Church brings God’s saving power. Priests should leave aside the personal opinions which they sometimes place above the teachings of the Church. We do agree. The greatest Dogmas of the Church are Love God, and Love your Neighbor. From these come all the teachings of the Church. I have said at times there is no shortage of priests, there is a shortage of priests committed to the Gospel. Its time we Laity preach the Gospel to our priests and Bishops. Does’nt sound right, but I think that is what its come to.
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 2:58 AM By MIKE
T, Angleo sometimes it is not always the Priest’s fault. Over the past 30 to 40 years, many have not had proper formation in US Seminaries. Over the past almost 12 years, many US Seminaries still do not use the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” as one of the student texts. Give your pastor a copy of the “CCC 2nd Ed”. Encourage your Diocese Bishop to send candidates for the Priesthood to Seminaries that use the “CCC 2nd Ed” as one text. Let’s all work together to try and solve the problem. (All, don’t send your children or grandchildren to any ‘Catholic University’ unless the “CCC 2nd Ed’ is used as a student text and there is adoration of the Holy Eucharist.)
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 4:30 AM By Abeca Christian
St Jerome, 345-420. Doctor of Biblical Science, Feast Sept 30th. St. Jerome: Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 4:31 AM By Abeca Christian
Juergensen your welcome my brother and friend in Christ!
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 3:22 PM By OSCAR
JLS, if you would read the “CCC 2nd Ed” from cover to cover, your questions would be answered, and you would no longer find a need to ask them. There are 233 paragraphs in the CCC that address the “love of God”, and 28 paragraphs that address mans’ “union with God”. And please re-read the New Testament from cover to cover. You will find no conflicts between the Bible and the CCC.
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 3:23 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Traditional Angelo, I will pray for you in your illness. Thank you for your prayers for our efforts at the upcoming REC. God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 4:42 PM By Traditional Angelo
Mike, I seemed to have forgotten what you pointed out about priestly formation. I have been too hard on priests ordained in the last 40 years. The dedicated priests I once knew were all students of the seminaries before the upheavel in the Church. Thanks for the correction. It is sad that many priests do not know the Catholic faith. I was once talking to a former pastor, a faithful parishioner came up and handed the priest a book that he said he bought especially for him. The priest thanked him. when this parishioner left, the priest said, “Can’t wait to get to the rectory to throw this in the trash.” I’ve had experience with our present pastor and it has’nt been sweet. If I gave him the “CCC 2nd Ed” he’d probably use it to slam me to the ground with it. Mike the “Year of Faith” is our great opportunity. We must plan our strategies with the prayer of the Holy Rosary of Our Lady. All we need to do is pray it and our Lady will obtain for us from the Holy Ghost all we need to say and do. Our Lady’s 3rd promise to those who pray the Rosary, “The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against Hell; It will destroy vice, decrease sin and defeat heresies.”
Posted Monday, January 09, 2012 10:47 PM By k
JLS, Great post of 10:16 AM. I think the beast coming out of the sea is in Rev 13 but it is an angel that stands with one foot on land, one in sea in Rev 10.
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:01 AM By k
Mr Fisher, re: the REC theme, what does “voice infusing life” mean?
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:02 PM By Catherine
What does “voice infusing life” mean? k, Use your search engine and type in the words, “Our Bishops should enforce Canon 915 by Cardinal Burke” then you will understand the actual meaning of “voice infusing life.”
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:34 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
k, I will be darn if I know. Sounds weird to me! Without calling them and asking them what it means, I would only be guessing. Do you know what it means? God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:50 PM By JLS
Whatever it is there, k, I’d head the other way. My vague recall has several images popping up in the Apocalypse, maybe in various places … or possibly in one or some of the OT prophetic passages.
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:58 PM By JLS
OSCAR, thanks for the recommendation; most of my questions are posed for the sake of opening up a topic or issue further, or to motivate another poster or readers to look into the concepts further and deeper. Not that I know everything, and my hat will verify it what with all the bites I’ve had to take out of it from time to time.
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:11 PM By k
Catherine and Mr. Fisher, I don’t have a clue what it means. It is the theme for this years REC. I’ve read the reflection by Sister Edith Pendergrast on the REC website and I can’t make head or tails of it. Catherine, I have read the Cardinal Burke essay before. What do you mean? That Cardinal Burke’s voice is standing up for the life of the unborn? I like it but I don’t know if that is what they mean by it.
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:25 PM By Bob One
This is what the web site says about the theme of the REC. As a theme, is sounds pretty clear and very Catholic to me. But then, I sure some people will find it offensive. “Ours is a God whose voice resounds in the depth of our being calling us away from old habits, inviting us to embrace more wholesome ones. And today … the voice reverberates and we echo God’s voice infusing life — giving hope, refreshing spirits.”
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:18 PM By JLS
“Voice infusing life” literally means the Voice of God entering into the life of man. It seems to be a play on “If today you hear His voice, harden not your hearts”. The grammatical construct indicates that the “voice” ie the Word of God “infuses” or enters into the life of individuals. It is not a Sacrament like the Holy Eucharist which unites man and God, because “infuse” means mix, while “unite” means to become one with. Infuse implies a limit, whereas unite does not.
Posted Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:00 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
k, “I’ve read the reflection by Sister Edith Pendergrast on the REC website and I can’t make head or tails of it.” Sounds exactly like something she would write! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisherr
Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:43 AM By k
Bob One, but what does it mean?. JLS, so you are saying that life exists and the Voice infuses something into it, not that the Voice infuses life into something. Bob One quotes the website which says its about bad habits and we are supposed to listen to the voice and echo it and give people hope. Is this about addictions or something?
Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:28 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Listening to voices without proper discernment can be very dangerous! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:53 PM By Bob One
I tend to oversimplify, but … Our God’s voice is in us to be heard. He calls us away from sinful ways and asks us to embrace a non-sinful way of life. When we hear God in us, it gives hope and refreshes the soul. To me, that is very uplifting and if the sessions are built around that theme, it should be a good conference. I know that Kenneth will be there to protest, but its interesting that a Cardinal is leading a session for the youth. By the way, it is the largest gathering of Catholic youth in the country. They will celebrate Mass is many languages and with many cultural approaches. The music will be from all over the cultures. There will be very traditional music for one Mass, a Jazz Mass, contemporary music, etc. Most of the breakout sessions about hearing God and taking his message to heart. I wonder what is wrong with that?
Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:03 PM By JLS
k, the Word of God is also Life, one and the same. This phrase in question can be interpreted several ways or no way. Some constructions are such as to boggle some people and leave them without making an interpretation. Welcome to Vatican II speak.
Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:05 PM By JLS
So, Bob One, there will be every kind of Mass … other than the Tridentine, right?
Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:24 PM By k
Bob One, OK that sounds good. God’s voice calling us away from sin and to life with Him. I hope that is what it is. JLS, you are right, too. The Word of God is the Way, the Truth and the Life. That all makes sense. If I hadn’t just refreshed myself on the New Age paper from the Vatican, which talked about God’s Word being replaced by human words, I would feel more confident in your interpretations. But I like yours.
Posted Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:03 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Bob One, It is because so many youth attend, and because of the blatant errors they are taught that we go there to defend the Truth of our Faith. I was hoping that Archbishop Gomez would change things and that I could rest this year. Hope springs eternal. I personally know of one young woman who had lost her virginity and had gone to confession at this REC Congress and was told that what she did was not really sinful because she is only human. I know this because she came to me and was very disturbed and asked for my counsel. Perhaps I should post what Fr. Richard Sparks said at one of the RECs that was so blasphemous that Archbishop Khai, when I told him of it remarked “that priest, horrible!” God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher
Posted Friday, January 13, 2012 5:02 AM By Abeca Christian
Mount la Verna Communications is selling a book called “For The Love Of The Sinner”: “There is 0ne who loves you more than any love known to you. You are not redeemed at a low cost or by corruptible things such as gold or silver, but you are redeemed with the crucified Precious Blood of our Lord, Christ Jesus.” Sounds like a good book, has anyone read it or bought it? Just wanted to seek an input from anyone that may have bought one. I am intrigued to get one for myself. : )
Posted Friday, January 13, 2012 11:17 AM By k
Mr. Fisher, maybe a better service to the church would be for you and others you trust to know the faith attend the REC and then post the errors here so that all those who attend will not believe the errors.
Posted Friday, January 13, 2012 6:15 PM By k
abeca, From internet sources, Mount la Verna Communications publishes the books of Bishop Roman Danylek who is a canon at St. Mary Major in Rome. He is a bishop of the Canadian Ukranian Catholic Church, but there was some controversy and he ended up in Rome. Some are wary of him because he gave an imprimatur to The Poem of the Man-God by Maria Valtorta which had initially been on the List of Forbidden Books. Some say he promotes non-approved apparitions like Medjugorje, Garabandal and others. His book might be wonderful. If you buy it, please let us know.
Posted Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:52 AM By Traditional Angelo
Kenneth M. Fisher, As I promised I will be praying for you and Concerned Catholics of America, Inc. I grew up in the freak change storm of the late 60’s and 70’s, I remember one incident when some friends went on some retreat in the 70’s. They came back knowing more than the Church and demanding more Change. Their retreat masters were all Anaheim loyalists. Its amazing how they can wield influence. I have a suggestion for starting a battle against heresy. Why not bring to the attention of the young and old alike that the Holy Father has called for a “Year of Faith” for the purpose which the Pope has outlined. Pointing to all the years of the soul destroying errors of the Convention. And the Holy Father’s intention to clean up the disasters and the mess caused by the likes of the Anaheim Convention. I myself am starting to use the Pope’s “Year of Faith” as a weapon against error.
Posted Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:53 PM By Abeca Christian
k thank for the info. I saw it advertized here on this website, they have a link to it, I thought what they approve here as advertizement was within church approval. I am glad for your information so I can look it up before I buy anything. : )
Posted Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:03 AM By Abeca Christian
May the blood and body of our Lord Jesus Christ give us a heart of conversion, may we be touched and be lead to embrace Jesus, may we be more like Jesus, more like Him and In Him! God’s humility give us a heart of conversion! We just have to say “yes”. May our Lord give us the strength and courage to say “yes”. I end with one of many of my favorite bible verses : Philippians 2:7-11 DouayRheims(i) 7 But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. 8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. 9 For which cause, God also hath exalted him and hath given him a name which is above all names: 10 That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11 And that every tongue should confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.
Posted Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:37 PM By Abeca Christian
Praise BE Jesus Christ! God bless our Pope!