Colorado baker Jack Phillips, whose refusal to make a same-sex wedding cake on religious grounds went to the Supreme Court, is currently fighting a ruling that he violated the state’s anti-discrimination law for refusing to bake a cake to celebrate a gender transition.
In arguments before Colorado’s appeals court Oct. 5, Phillips’ attorneys from Alliance Defending Freedom urged the court to overturn a ruling issued last year against their client on procedural grounds and said the court should uphold Phillips’ First Amendment rights.
Phillips was sued by a transgender person, Autumn Scardina, who ordered a pink cake with blue frosting from Phillips’ shop, Masterpiece Cakeshop in 2017.
During the 2021 trial, according to The Associated Press, Phillips said he believes someone cannot change genders and he did not celebrate “somebody who thinks that they can.”
His attorney Jake Warner has said in a statement that requiring Phillips to create a cake with a message contrary to his religious beliefs violates his free speech rights.
Scardina initially filed a complaint against Phillips with the state and the civil rights commission, which found probable cause that Phillips had discriminated against the person. Phillips, in turn, filed a federal lawsuit against the state of Colorado saying it was engaged in a “crusade to crush” him by pursuing Scardina’s complaint.
AP reported that during last year’s trial over the lawsuit against the baker, Denver District Judge A. Bruce Jones rejected Phillips’ argument that making the cake would constitute compelled speech.
The judge said the cake was simply a product and couldn’t be withheld from people protected by the state’s anti-discrimination law. He said Phillips’ refusal to provide the cake was “inextricably intertwined” with his refusal to recognize Scardina as a woman.
Full story at Catholic News.
One thing that many don’t realize is that these lunatic leftists won’t let us alone. It’s not live and let live for them, since they are on a mission from Satan.
It’s no longer “Live and let live”, but “Live and let die” — with some trying to force others to commit serious sins, or they will take away their right to life. God is not mocked. It has and is going to backfire seriously — consider all the fatal STD’s that did not even exist sixty years ago when the laws against certain decadent behaviors were enforced. No AIDES, no HVP, nor Monkey Pox, no herpes. If they existed, They were only three STD’s in the U.S. when I was young and all curable. Look at the incurable mess now.
Correction: I put in “if they existed” by mistake in the fifth line of my last post. Sorry for the confusion.
Don’t know what the big deal is…just put a pound of ground beef on a plate and tell ’em its a ‘trans-cake’….done….
Very very clever, asdf !!!!
God bless this baker, I wish I lived close enough to support his bakery.
Ya really want to eat something
that a baker/cook was Forced to make
AGAINST their will?
How good could it be???
What mystery ingredients might be in it?
Could Mr/Ms Tranny NOT find
a baker in the Denver area that
wouldn’t voluntarily bake a cake
for him/her/it ???
To paraphrase the Judge: “it’s not about the cake.” It’s about doing whatever they can to smear, destroy, harass anyone who doesn’t share their ideology. It’s all about tolerance — one-sided, of course.
Just think– when JFK was President, and for several years after his assassination– if a gay man walked into Jack Philliips’ cake shop in Denver, CO, and requested a cake for a gay “marriage,” or for any other immoral purpose– that man would get immediately arrested by the police, taken to jail, receive a court trial and sentence, and would probably also be sent for a psychiatric evaluation and treatment. If a gay man in Denver committed any gay sex acts with a buddy his age (“crimes against nature”– filthy, criminal gay sex acts– sodomy, etc.etc.) or was seen kissing a gay buddy his age in public at a gay bar, and someone reported it to the police– the same thing would happen– off the two men would go, straight to jail! No obscenities, lewd or nude pictures, language, behavior, sex toys and sex-related items, literature, movies, TV shows, etc. was allowed, either. We had a much more decent, and much nicer and safer society, as a result. Miss those days! Tragically, by the late 1960s, our good, safe, decent society was destroyed by Satan.
Oh yes, wasn’t it great when the government decided what private people can do in the privacy of their own home, despite supposedly being a country of freedom and liberty. Yet you value a society that arrests people for ordering a cake. Ordering a cake is illegal in your mind! I guess you really want to live in a totalitarian society without any freedoms whatsoever.
You think sex related items and lewd pictures or literature is a gay thing? Do you forget that there has been straight porn as long as books and films have been out? You think that the 1950’s, when it was assumed that men couldn’t rape their wives or their dates, when child molestation by fathers was rampant, when priests singled out the cute altar boys for grooming and illegal sex acts was a better time? Women got parts in movies and jobs in factories if they “put out”. This was well before the 1960s, and the gay aspect of it was only a tiny part of what was going on.
You have no rights to commit crimes and sins in “private,” nor in public, YFC. You have a responsibility to God and to your community, (to your city, to your workpkace, to your neighbors, churches, businesses, schools, etc.)– and to your country, to lead a decent life– and not to commit sins and crimes, never to harm the community and country in which you live.
Where in the Constitution is the government given the rights to pass laws like these? Your morality is not enshrined in the constitution, and you better believe that unless one day you want sharia morality enshrined in your laws and constitution.
YFC, acquaint yourself with the history of our legal system. It is excellent. It has roots in English common law, plus influences from Roman law, and Christianity. We have our Constitution, plus State and Federal laws. You know from your Catholic religion, all about the terrible harms done by all sexual sins– and that these terrible sins and crimes must be prohibited from our communities. The current evil, liberal leftist corrupt activism, seeking to destroy our great country, and replace good, correct laws with immorality, filth, sin, crime, lawlessness and chaos, needs to be completely overturned and defeated. We need a full return to Christianity, respect for God, and to our original good laws, for the well-being, safety and protection of all our citizens and their families and children. The LGBT issue is a medical disability, disorder, or illness, and should be properly medically diagnosed and labeled as such, and addressed as such, in our legal system– as it used to be. The good Lord greatly rewards the LGBTs who seek chastity, leading a good life, seeking Heaven.
The Tenth Amendment declares, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” In other words, states have all powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution.
Sadly, YFC, the freemasonic founding of our country gave us a Constitution that grants equal rights to truth and falsehood, whether in speech, assembly, or religion. The Constitution nowhere asserts the primacy of the Rights of God. As we are now learning the hard way, this was a fatal flaw.
There is no “right” to sin. Sin has no “rights”.
The last Sunday this month in the Traditional Roman calendar is the Feast of Christ the King, when we pray for the Kingship of Christ. This is not a theoretical, someday-at-the-end-times kingship. We as Catholics pray to enthrone Christ as our ACTUAL King — that His laws guide and inform our civil government and its laws. The civil laws, therefore, must be subordinated to the Moral Law as taught by Christ through His Church.
There should also be strict laws, as there used to be– against a husband and wife committing sinful, pervert sex acts, such as sodomy, and other filthy, sinful pervert sex acts (won’t mention them here).
The State has always had the authority in matters of Marriage, its benefits and responsibilities, children, etc.– and matters pertaining to divorce, arrangements for the
children, visitation rights, child support, alimony, etc. A marriage license has certain requirements and responsibilities– it is a legal document.
YFC will defend and the rainbow flag until his dying breath
YFC could save his soul–and his life!– by following the Catholic Faith, surrendering his life to Jesus Christ. Millions of gays have died of AIDs and similar sex-related diseases. The entire original musical group, Chanticleer, and its original founders and director– all quickly perished from AIDs. There have been countless Church funerals of gay parishioners– as well as employees– who died of AIDs.
I don’t think the Catholic faith has much to say about ordering a cake. And I don’t think unrelated events decades ago and for which there is now medication is at all relevant to anything. If you want to save lives, make sure you are encouraging people to get their vaccinations and their health checkups.
YFC– if you are a Catholic and a cake decorator– you must never use your business for any immoral or obscene reason. Same thing for all business owners. Always stand for Christ and for good Christian beliefs and values in your community.
Of course, in my comment of Oct. 12 at 3:35am, when I mentioned that no obscenities, lewd or nude pictures, language, behavior, etc. etc. was allowed– those laws referred to everyone– both regular and gay people– not just gays. They were good laws, to protect our communities. No dirty books, movies, TV shows, etc. were allowed. You would never find a sex book in the children’s section of a library, or in a school. No filthy words were allowed on pop records, either. Elvis Presley was banned in some places, for lewd behavior on stage. A much better, much safer America.
“Yet you value a society that arrests people for ordering a cake. ” A complete and total non-sequitur, YFC. Complete and total dissimulation.as well. At best a nonsensical inference from the post to which you replied. At worst, well, I shall leave that for others to judge. I make this point emphatically because IMO well-reasoned arguments are rare from the Left. And as captain of the LGQT+ ship on this blog, YFC, you here exemplify this problem. I invite you to restate your post without this canard.
Read Pete Hegseth’s book “Battle for the American Mind”. All this destruction of the culture started in 1860– very incrementally by the Progressives. The very first thing they had to do was eliminate Christianity from the schools and our institutions. Very illuminating book in understanding all the corruption we are seeing and the insanity of the Biden Administration.
It does not matter how or why you went down the wrong road, just turn back.
Our brother Jack Phillips has stood for religious liberty for all of us. His troubles began when he declined to make a “gay wedding” cake, though he referred his customers to another baker who would. And, he continues to face fines and lawsuits as various issues come up. Now, it’s the “trans” cake. Mr. Phillips has made it clear he won’t make cakes celebrating divorce or Halloween either, based on his religious convictions. Should a Jewish baker be compelled to make a cake celebrating the Holocaust/Shoah? Muslim bakeries in his area also declined to make “gay wedding” cakes and none of them were threatened. Should cake decorators, photographers, florists, musicians, other artists and others be compelled to contribute to “celebrations” of Naziism, the abuse of women, suicide, abortion or the lynching of Blacks?
The double standard is apparent and outrageous. May God protect and bless Mr. Phillips and others facing a type of green martyrdom. And, may all people of good will work together for religious liberty and conscience rights.
Deacon Craig, I live in an area where Catholics are discriminated against. It is less so now than it used to be. They would refuse a gay wedding cake or a PRIDE cake but they would refuse a Catholic confirmation cake, first communion cake too.
They don’t say that is why; they make another excuse.
They believe Catholics are idolaters and some believe we are the whore of Babylon.
Me too. I have a question: Why would any Catholic go to a person of another religion to bake a specifically Catholic cake in the first place? A Catholic would go to a Catholic baker, Catholic friend or bake it himself.
Yes there are ways to get what you want without encountering a person breaking the law.
Phillips was not breaking any law if that is what you meant as an unjust “law” is no law at all. If it was a cake those troublemakers really wanted, they would have had their own community make it. End of discussion.
Phillips would not be breaking the law in my state but those who refuse service to Catholics are.
He is breaking the law in Colorado.
When you do civil disobedience, you also take the consequences.
So, why is only Jack Phillips the subject of fines and lawsuits?
What of the Muslim bakers?
The law should not be applied selectively.
As asked above, should he have to make cakes celebrating anything and everything, including divorce, suicide and Naziism? Or, can he decline to use his artistic talents for those “celebrations?”
Exactly. All bakers should sell what they are making in their shops to anyone who wants to pay the regular price, but they should not be forced to put on any cake or product something that they consider vulgar or against their religion. An example, Orthodox Jewish bakers should not be forced to serve at nor go to a Christian, Muslim or Buddhist service unless they want to do it. This is a frivolous lawsuit, and by rights, those who filed it should have to pay for all attorneys’ and court fees.
It is not a frivolous lawsuit because he is breaking the law.
He knows he is breaking the law.
He believes it is a freedom of religion issue.
The original lawsuit against Jack Phillip’s bakery was frivolous. Any “law” trying to force Jews, Muslims and Christians or any other person to go to any wedding of which they do not approve is an unjust law. Catering is not a necessity of life, and no one is going to die if someone refuses to cater their event. What is in their shop should be sold to anyone, but they should not be forced to put vulgar or inappropiate statements on anything.
What do you think a frivolous lawsuit is?
There are no laws that force people to go to weddings.
Now – the Governor of Colorado IS Gay;
is married to a MAN and holds Israeli citizenship
as well as US citizenship!
What could possibly go wrong???
asdf-You made me lol with your comment.Quite funny.
if a Catholic can’t figure out how
to get a Communion cake, if refused
by a Christian Fundamentalist baker,
that Catholic is not very intelligent or resourceful.
Sin is sin. A crime is a crime. Sexual sins, whether committed secretly “in private,” with no one seeing you or knowing what you did– or in public, or told about to many peopIe– destroy others and yourself, and greatly harm the entire community. Sexual crimes and sins, like rape, adultery, fornication (sex outside marriage), prostitution, incest, polygamy, crimes against nature– all filthy sex pervert sins, bestiality, gay sex pervert sins, etc. — are all malicious and evil, against God, prohibited by the Bible– and are very, very dangerous to individuals, families, communities, and countries.
the moral of this story is clear:
Trannies must learn to bake for themselves
(himselves/herselves/theirselves/itsseleves)
if i left anyone out – sue me
Sorry Sue, I laughed at your name.
Are you from New York by any chance?
Cardinal Mueller and others who do interviews need to understand that they are being exploited.
He fell for temptation several times during the interview.
They need to be aware that there are people who probably unwittingly are trying to establish an alternate hierarchy.
Pray for the Church and all its leaders and followers.
“He fell for temptation several times during the interview.” ??!!?? People don’t fall for temptation, but fall into temptation. And exploited, just how did C. Muller, one of the greatest minds in the Church today, get bamboozled by Raymond Arroyo? The Cardinal was speaking his mind freely and with purpose. He is no fool, and would not abide a fool. If, however, you believe Cardinal Muller wants to establish an alternative hierarchy, that’s another matter.
I think you fall for temptation and into sin.
He should not have commented on out-of-context quotes from other Cardinals. He could have said “I cannot comment on that statement taken out of context”. then it would not have been done twice to him.
I do not think that Raymond Arroyo bamboozled him or even tried to.
I think there is 30 minutes of air time and Arroyo is trying to fill it with something that will get an audience.
The whole tone of the interview was “Look what the stupid Church is doing. We know better than the Church.”
I do not think Cardinal Muller wants to establish an alternate hierarchy. I think Catholic social media and media is. Not officially but…
If the Pope says something we do not agree with we will go find a bishop, Cardinal or priest that will say what we want to hear.
This creation of celebrity clergy is very dangerous. Your obedience goes to your pastor, your bishop and the Pope.
I like to read what other churchmen say. I love Cardinal Sarah and Cardinal Burke but you do not ever put them in a position where they feel the need to comment on the Pope or another cleric. Cardinal Burke got exploited like that and it was very distressing to him. Cardinal Sarah has been better at avoiding that.
I suggest you stop pitting Cardinal Sarah, Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Muller against each other. They are all three good men, and your “Divide and conquer” routine is not going to work.
No one pitted them against each other and no one is trying to divide and conquer. Factions are evil.
Ex, I too do not think C. Muller wishes to establish an alternative hierarchy. It was just a probe to see if exploited thought indeed he was. Now you say “Cardinal Burke got exploited like that and it was very distressing to him.” Maybe you could help me– did C. Muller say this, and make his dissatisfaction with Raymond Arroyo public? If not, then what is the basis of your comment?
What?
I feel like I drop some alternate universe everytime I read this website.
Are you Catholic?
No. Cardinal Muller is not being “exploited”– that’s ridiculous! He is a great Catholic clerical leader, faithful to Christ, and has a strong backbone, and great maturity. Historically, thousands of faithful Catholic clerics and laymen have stood up for Christ and for His Truth, in evil circumstances– and have also given their lives for Him. Yet also, starting with the sinful disciple, Judas Iscariot– there have been many Catholic clerics who have greatly sinned, and have betrayed Our Lord. But Christ’s Mission continues until the end, with the Second Coming. Christ’s holy teachings are true and exact. The holy Sacraments were instituted by Christ, and He is actually Present in each of them, with His Life-Giving, Sanctifying Grace. The Sacraments are efficacious “ex opere operato” (by the very fact that the Sacrament is performed) — whether or not the priest is in a state of grace– because it is Christ Who acts in the Sacraments. However, the recipient of a Sacrament must always be properly disposed, in a state of grace, for the Sacrament to bear fruit. Our holy Church has often been tragically abused– but Christ is there always, for us. The Deposit of Faith (Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium) is true and exact, and belongs to Him.
There is a wonderful video of Cardinal Muller’s recent visit to the Mark Houck family, giving them his blessing, and an official statement of support. Mark Houck, a Pro Life activist, recently was arrested on false charges, in a horrifying, early morning, armed FBI raid at his home– with his wife and seven children watching, terrified. The raid was politically-motivated by the evil, leftist, abortion-promoting Biden Administration and U.S. Attorney General, Merrick Garland. The video, plus much more– is on YouTube.