Name of Church St. Joseph
Address 602 South 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98418
Phone number 253-472-2489
Mass times All Latin Tridentine. Sunday, 8 a.m. (low Mass), 10:30 a.m. (sung Mass). Monday – Thursday, 8 a.m. Friday, 6:30 p.m. Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament follows Mass. Saturday, 9 a.m. Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament follows Mass on First Saturdays. Latin-English missals are available for visitors to use.
Confessions 30 minutes before Mass.
Names of priests Fr. Michael J. Stinson, pastor. Fr. Stinson is a member of the Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP). All FSSP sacraments are celebrated in Latin using the 1962 Missal. FSSP operates with the blessing of Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain. The FSSP priests are orthodox, formed in the traditional way, and are typically good homilists and confessors.
Devotional activities Rosary before all Masses. Litany to St. Joseph prayed after Wednesday morning Mass for the needs of the parish.
Music Men’s sacred music choir for sung Mass.
Fellow parishioners Some locals; many drawn to the traditional celebration of the Mass and sacraments.
Parking Park in the lot behind the church.
Additional observations St. Joseph’s was founded in 1911 as a Slovakian parish. It’s a beautiful historic church, with a traditional altar, colorful stained glass windows and traditional art. Seattle’s archbishop gave over care of the parish to the Fraternity, an extension of the Fraternity’s North American Martyrs community in Seattle. They are currently trying to grow the parish and establish a vibrant community.
What? No Latin Mass!! Close it down!!! …. Oh, wait, it’s a Latin Mass place …
Aren’t you the Carol who was all about not offending lest we cause division?
If so, you may want to practice a little of the spirit you encourage in others.
Oh, wait, understanding and indulgence and mutual respect is only to be encouraged among those identified as hateful trad Catholics.
Today, Aug. 6th, begins the 9-day novena for the Assumption of the BVM which according to the US bishops this year is effectively de-emphasized, not even being observed as a holy day of obligation:
“8. Since the Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, August 15, falls on a Monday this year, it is not observed as a Holyday of Obligation.
9. In 2016, since a Sunday does.” -USCCB Liturgical Calendar 2016
The Eastern Churches started the observance of the “Dormition” on Aug. 1st, with a two-week double octave of prayers and optional fasting. One can keep the traditional calendar of the Church which fully honors the “Dormition” of the Blessed Virgin Mary, by observing the novena, and if you attend a traditional…
… Mass on that day, whether FSSP, SSPX, or other traditional Latin Mass observance, then actually you will be observing Vatican II’s call in Ch, 8, Lumen Gentium, which in the typical double-language of the official church today, is “honored in the breach:”
“This most Holy Synod…admonishes all the sons of the Church that the cult, especially the liturgical cult, of the Blessed Virgin, be generously fostered, and the practices and exercises of piety, recommended by the magisterium of the Church toward her in the course of centuries be made of great moment…” (n.67, Lumen Gentium).
“What we say is not what we do: That’s Vatican II.”
This is the sad refrain of those who wish to unjustly cast ridicule over Vatican II and the present disciplines of the Church. Folks, the truth is that bishops–EVEN BEFORE VATICAN II—had been abrogating days of obligation! The most notable one was on July 2, 1911 when Pope Pius X reduced the number of days of obligation from 36 to 8! And even before Pius X, bishops around the world had been asking permission of such an abrogation. And guess what, the reason bishops did and do this is not because they seek to lessen the devotion to Our Blessed Mother, or a for some sinister reason. Not at all.
when the intent of the bishops’ decision is pastoral. Anyone who wants to see mal-intent in a purely pastoral decision is giving way to the Devil’s temptations. Beware.
Still, even though there may be some very good reasons to reduce the number of holy days of obligation to a more manageable number, the calendar of the Church is her breath, a rhythm that reminds us of the days of our own lives, which reminds us of the history of salvation and all that has gone into it. A breath which sanctifies our lives through celebration and rhythm. BTW – I didnt know there used to be 36, so thanks for that education.
Vatican Council II pastorally destroyed the liturgy and Faith of the Catholic Faith. Pope Francis seeks to complete the implementation of Vatican II which is the Protestantization of the Catholic Church. Thank God we still have bishops that will lend parishes like this one to the Latin Mas, which will rebuild them.
So, if Vatican II will lead to the “Protestantization” of the Church how come the prelates whom many here deem as heroes all support the Council? Ratzinger, Burke, Schneider, Sarah, Cordileone, Mueller: all these bright lights of the Church ALL SUPPORT THE COUNCIL!
So, how do you explain that? eh?
Anything to make fully practicing the Catholic Faith no more difficult than watching the NFL is OK, eh, “jon?” Why have any Holy Days? Why “have to go” to Mass? I attended a simply ridiculous Mass in the Diocese of Richmond last week. It was held in a concrete bunker of Church, without kneelers, without any Catholic imagery, without a Tabernacle (in a closet-like “Chapel somewhere), with women all scurrying all over trying to look like ministers. Take in a devotion on your way to the golf course, why dontcha?
…again with making things personal, jon. Heroes? Really?
What exactly is it about VII that you find so compelling as to make a fetish of it? Seriously. If VII defined nothing new, what’s the draw?
If a council of bishops came together tomorrow and decreed that Catholics are still to attend Mass on Sundays and holy days, would you bow to the council, elevating it to some Super Nova of enlightenment, or to the truth which has always been?
Folks: Sorry to say but St. Christopher’s response is a classic example of the straw-man fallacy (argumentum ad logicam): in which the responder (St. Chris) gives the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.
What is even sadder is that in making this fallacy, St. Chris has managed to express something akin to heresy (“a ridiculous Mass”). To denigrate any of the sacraments of the Church is a heresy as proclaimed by the Lateran Council. Folks, no Mass is ridiculous. If the priest intends to offer the Sacrifice of Christ, and he is in good standing (not a member of your beloved SSPX for instance), and the species are as they should be, THEN IT IS…
A VALID AND LICIT SACRAMENT, which is efficacious in transmitting God’s grace to whomever in that Mass is open to Him. Do not denigrate the sacraments of the Church! Repent!
Good to see jon the pious can cite Wikipedia on Pius X reducing Catholic holy days from 36 to 8 (it was actually the motu proprio Supremi Disciplinae; and most of the universal church, such as in the US, already had an indult to observe only about 12; mostly only Rome observed them all)—and actually deliberately miss the point that I think Justin was making: that of course the effect of Vatican II was to diminish devotion to the Blessed Virgin—one definite way of demonstrating that is to show how the Virgin’s solemnities, esp. Jan 1st and the once-supremely important Assumption, especially got whacked.
There should be little doubt that stripping a solemnity of its holy day of obligation status tells people it isn’t very…
important. But I don’t think jon can comprehend that fact.
Yes, you’re right Camprion—I and many other Catholics today who are truly devoted to Our Blessed Mother—wouldn’t comprehend your uncharitable point because WE GO TO MASS ANYWAY, even if the Church doesn’t say it’s obligatory! That is the difference! We will go to Mass OUT OF LOVE FOR HER, not because it is an obligation. GOTCHA!
Holy days of obligation aside, the Catholic Church in America has a big problem with Catholics not fulfilling the SUNDAY obligation to attend Mass nor realizing that skipping Sunday Mass is grave matter.
If I were to recommend how to prioritize, I would suggest the Church in the United States concentrate on getting most Catholics to attend Sunday Mass faithfully before wringing our hands about whether the obligation to attend Mass on certain holy days should be abrogated when those days occur on a Saturday or Monday.
That would entail making Sunday Mass a more meaningful experience through quality liturgy (ritual), preaching and music as well as parish life that welcomes and nourishes the faithful of all ages with quality catechesis,…
Aug. 8th, day 3 Assumption novena.
The “Vatican 2 correlated de-emphasis” of devotion to the Assumption of the Bl. Virgin in the Novus Ordo has thus culminated in the virtual striking of her feast day, in spite of Lumen Gentium citing it (#59), in spite of the ancient keeping of the feast in Eastern and Latin rites since prior to 500AD (Cath.Encyclopedia, 1907), and even despite Paul VI’s encyclical Marialis Cultus (1974), the latter which cited it as one of the 4 principal Marian liturgical days to be reverently maintained in the Vatican 2 church.
The other 3 major Marian days, according to Paul VI—Paul VI, mind you “the” pope of V2—are: Jan 1st, Mary Theotokos; Mar. 25th, the Annunciation; & Dec 8th,…
..the Immaculate Conception.
However, Jan.1st, like Aug 15th, has generally been decided by the US Bishops not to be honored as a holy day of obligation either, further de-reverencing the devotion due the Bl. Virgin Mary (we must suppose the bishops preferred that they and their flock should rest their weary heads after the prior night’s revelries rather than honor Paul VI’s own explicit directive).
So it is, the long, 50-year slide into laxity and the contradiction of what V2 itself and it’s principal papal authority actually say, even with respect to Mary the Mediatrix. So also the oddest irony is, to fulfill proper Marian devotion as called for at V2, one must find a trad chapel, be it FSSP, SSPX, traditional…
…Norbertines, independent or sedevacantist, to honor the Bl. Virgin on her extraordinary feast, which as Dom Gaspar Lefebvre OSB, the great liturgical scholar observed, that on this day, “She who received the Lord into her womb and into the world, should on this day be received by the same Lord into her throne and into heaven.”
Would that Novus-Ordo-world would be encouraged to keep the same devotion, for the sake of the world and for the sake of their own souls.
Justin K. is totally wrong. The three Marian days you mention (the Annunciation, Assumption, and Mother of God) are all honored as SOLEMNITIES in the contemporary calendar of the Church. Solemnities correspond to FIRST CLASS FEASTS in the previous calendar. This is an honor. The fact that they are not obligatory days DO NOT MEAN A DISHONOR to Our Blessed Mother. Your point is grossly wrong. I believe that Our Blessed Mother is most aggrieved that you are using her feast days as a way to divide the Church, her children.
The requirement to abstain from eating meat on Fridays was restricted to Fridays during Lent whereas previously it was an all-year observance. Instead, Catholics were encouraged to make Fridays a day of penance through some means of their own choosing. How well has that worked? Is Friday considered or observed as a day of penance by many Catholics anymore under the more lax requirement?
Removing an obligation does lessen people’s sense of importance about the matter. Doesn’t matter that Fridays are still technically a day of penance; most Catholics aren’t aware of that and they don’t observe it. So what good is a day of penance if few people do penance?
Justin K. is right.
Here again is an effort to falsely accuse and cast negativity over the intent of the Conciliar fathers or of the present Magisterium. It is most likely diabolical, really (he is called the “accuser” in Scripture after all).
Folks, no one in the Magisterium is prohibiting Catholics to abstain or to fast on Fridays. NO ONE! If a Catholic chooses to do that, by all means (I myself abstain on Fridays)! NO ONE in the Magisterium is prohibiting Catholics from going to Mass on the Solemnity of the Assumption. NO ONE!
When a Catholic does these devotions, when not obligatory, (and many today do, even if they do not go to the EF) IT IS A GREATER SIGN OF LOVE! Doing something, not because it is obligatory, but because it is…
LOVING is what is today being promoted. Guess what, LOVE, which is Our Savior’s command, is something these folks CAN NEVER REFUTE!
And love requires action, jon, not perpetual sliding that has demonstrated itself to be deleterious. The reality remains despite your protest or judging the intent of Sawyer and others.
“….Removing an obligation does lessen people’s sense of importance about the matter. Doesn’t matter that Fridays are still technically a day of penance; most Catholics aren’t aware of that and they don’t observe it. So what good is a day of penance if few people do penance?”
Liberality taken to the point of license is no longer love, but indulgence and often the facilitating of those inclinations which must be curbed for the sake of the beloved.
No amount of capital letters will transform your assertions into anything more than doubling down…
…on confusion. No matter how official you may think you sound.
We are to judge by the fruits and judge with right judgment – not blinders.
I have an idea jon should love: let the Church pronounce that henceforth Sunday Mass attendance is no longer obligatory. Furthermore, henceforth avoiding evil is no longer obligatory nor is doing good. Nothing is mandated: everything is optional.
With that new policy, people who do go to Mass and who do avoid sin and who do good will show even greater love for having done something optional than they do now by doing something obligatory. Let’s do away with the Ten Commandments; make them optional too.
Think about all the greater graces that could be made available to people by doing away with obligatory Sunday Mass and sin, according to jon’s interpretation of Church disciplines.
Pope Francis, are you reading this? You should…
for Our Lord, for Our Blessed Mother, and for their neighbor. And this love is in itself the obligation, with or without Canon Law’s label!
What I had detected and suspected judging from my reading of their comments here and elsewhere have been confirmed. Theirs is a deficient understanding of the whole point of the Gospel, the whole point of the Church’s call to holiness, her dogmas, doctrines, traditions, and documents. The whole point is to foster love! They merely wish to “win” arguments. They are not interested in disseminating the Church’s message from Our Lord, which is to love! And so I say it again, tepent people, repent!
We must ask ourselves: why are some of these folks so insistent that the burden of “obligation” and the pain of sin be placed upon the shoulders and the conscience of our brethren for whom it is a legitimate hardship and burden to assist at Mass on a Monday. It demonstrates a lack of pastoral heart and love to burden those who legitimately cannot assist at a Mass with the pain of sin. This is the intent of the bishops for abrogating this, and to decry their pastoral decision is likewise to show unjust disobedience. Repent people, repent.
…We must also understand that those who pretend that one to whom mass attendance presents such a burden is not bound, jon. What yours demonstrates is a lack of understanding of the Faith that way it is, but rather one that pretends that being pastoral requires the pretense that any legitimate upholding of Faith and Morals represents undue burden.
Again, if there is a legitimate burden that precludes one from attending mass on Monday, then one is dispensed. No need to feign a “new” leniency.
To decry your obvious posing – that is pretending that the Church was some horror show before “pastoral” speak – is a duty. Repent of obfuscation, jon. Repent. Perhaps you should pull back for pastoral reasons from attempting to assert that…
… VII is binding where it is not.
Why you would do that is the real question. Why, jon, would you insist that that which is demonstrably not binding is binding? To heap sin upon others? To burden them with that which is no burden at all?
Repent of your horrible deceptions, jon. Repent and cease to facilitate the masking of truth. Even if you are visited by an Angel of Light, wake up and cease your charade.
4th Day, Aug 9th, Assumption Novena.
“Indeed every authentic development of Christian worship is necessarily followed by a fitting increase of veneration for the Mother of the Lord.” – prologue, Marialis Cultus, Paul VI, 1974
Either the feast of St Mary Major (Aug 5th) or the Transfiguration (Aug 6th) may have marked the start of the 9 days dedicated to the Assumption Novena. (St Mary Major’s dedication in Rome, which was perhaps first dedicated by P. Liberius (ca. 352-366). As for the selection of Aug 15th for the actual solemnity, it is also very ancient: Fr. Clifford Stevens asserts it is “the most ancient Marian feast” (which we now have decided to de-emphasize, FYI), the “Memory of Mary” or “Dormition” dating from…
..perhaps 336 AD, equivalent to the Constantinian re-building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. At that time, the recollection of several early Church Fathers (St John Damascene being one of them) was that the Apostles never venerated the bones of the Virgin, only the empty tomb, because her body also was taken away and glorified.
Now, in 1974, Paul VI says the Assumption is vitally important because it is the “full glorification” of the Virgin. In fact, Paul VI called for a full commemoration of the octave from Aug 15th to Aug 22nd (now, the Queenship of the BVM), just as in the traditional pre-V2 rite: it originally ended with the Immaculate Heart of Mary feast). He never called for the present de-emphasis of the feast as an…
.. as an expression of “what Vatican II actually intended.”
In fact, do you know that Marialis Cultus actually calls as well for the Angelus to be commemorated 3 times daily (#41) and for the regular (he doesn’t use the word “daily”) recitation of the Rosary (#42ff)? Is that being done in your parish regularly? Most NO parish attendees have no idea what are the Angelus prayers at all. But if you attend the traditional Mass chapel, either FSSP, SSPX, diocese-authorized, independent, or sedevacantist, they will have the Angelus, the Rosary, and as well, the Assumption is a high holy-day of obligation, honoring it as a supremely important and ancient feast—just as called for (Paul VI says) by Vatican II.
..that if you attend a Vatican II parish, it is not likely to honor the Assumption as the Church’s most ancient Marian feast day, as “a fitting increase of veneration for the Mother of the Lord.” (MC, Paul VI).
This is because the Vatican II church and clergy often (not always; not all of them by any means) do not do what the vaunted Council and its premiere interpreter (Paul VI) say they should do.
[Now, there are exceptions: exceptions which embarrass highly their bishop, such as Our Lady of Peace Shrine in Santa Clara, where the Assumption will be well-attended at one of the their 4 or 5 daily week day Masses, and where the Angelus and the Rosary are continually, daily and reverently recited, and where their clergy are…
..”into it”; but the exception proves the rule, that post-Vatican II era is marked by a decline in Marian devotion, the reduction of importance in the principal most ancient Marian solemn occasion, Aug 15th, and the actual practice today of Marian devotion completely conflicts with what Paul VI says was called for by the Council.
Strange, isn’t it?
Totally false: the Assumption is not reduced in importance in the CHurch. It is a SOLEMNITY! ANd guess what, many Catholics will go to Mass out of LOVE for Our Blessed MOther, not because it is obligatory! I don’t think Our Blessed Mother will look kindly upon your using her feast to denigrate her children, her bishops, priest, and indeed the Council. You seek to divide as the Devil seeks to divide the sheep from the shepherd. Beware!
Excellent, pray that the F.S.S.P. Institute of Christ the King and yes soon the S.S.P.X. take over all of the CLOSING and CLOSED churches around the USA and the world and spread the True Mass of All Times.
Sorry to burst your bubble Janek, but the Extraordinary Form CAN NEVER SUPPLANT the Ordinary Form. Even Pope Benedict himself in his letter accompanying Summorum Pontificum judges that the Mass of Paul VI will “certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite.” The OF is to be the NORM, the usual way in which the Church offers the Sacrifice of Christ sacramentally.
I will dare predict that the more of the younger priests and seminarians of today offer the OF Mass reverently and in accord with the way that the EF is offered (mutual enrichment folks), there will be LESS demand for the Mass of John XXIII. LESS DEMAND. That’s the way of the future. Again, I’m saying this as one who loves the EF. The future of the Church is in…
the OF, reverently offered and enriched by the traditions from the EF!
The idiocy continues! Of course the Novus Ordo Mass — created to make Protestants happy — can be abrogated, and should be. The fact that Paul VI unilaterally decided to elevate his creation means nothing, regarding its indissolubility. The TLM was never abrogated and continues to thrive, even under the Totalitarian Regime of loony bishops everywhere, who fear its truth and power. And they will never permit the NO to be “reverently” said, because they like the “options” approach to the entertainment Mass. Just look at the sorry fools, like Bishop Lombardi, who immediately jumped all over the most innocent of comments by C. Sarah about saying the N.O. Mass ad orientem. Fools.
Sorry, jon, but Pope Benedict is not a prognosticator. He may have stated as much to assuage the masses – those bishops who loathe the manifestly Catholic TLM – but he cannot speak to predicting the future.
The very admission that priests are celebrating the OF “more reverently” for fear of the TLM speaks volumes. What are they afraid of, jon, if not losing mass attendees who will fund the parish? What was the motivation behind the loosey-goosey NO celebrations?
Root cause, jon. Root cause. Otherwise you’re just a bubble blowing in the wind, tied to nothing but whims.
“loosey-goosey NO celebrations” is a sign that a person has denigrated the sacraments of the Church. And this is heretical according to the Lateran Council. No one is afraid of the TLM. I attend the TLM. I am stating the fact that the EF can NEVER supplant the OF. The OF reverently offered is the future of the Church.
Denigrating the sacraments would be to officiate at a loosey-goosey affair that calls itself Holy Mass. You are stating the fear that the TLM may reassert its lawful place as superior in form to the OF, by being placed side-by-side, giving Catholics the increased opportunity to understand what they’ve been robbed of by the pretense that the TLM was abrogated when it, most assuredly, was not.
The Truth, in all its fullness, revealed and reverenced is the future – period.
Assumption Novena, Day 5.
“Indeed every authentic development of Christian worship is necessarily followed by a fitting increase of veneration for the Mother of the Lord.” – prologue, Marialis Cultus, 1974
Because a sign of the true traditional Catholic Church is the reverence due the Assumption, “the most ancient Marian feast”, a feast celebrated in Jerusalem with processions even from perhaps the 4th century—perhaps even before, and certainly at Constantinople from the 8th century on (Dom Gaspar Lefebvre OSB)— it is a solemnity that should be, and should have been maintained after the Vatican II-catalyzed deconstruction of the calendar. Even Paul VI notes the new calendar should emphasize this as one of the 4 annual major…
Now, the new concept in the successor Church is to “honor in the breach”: as if to say “we honor the Assumption, by removing its holy-day of obligation-status; by allowing only 1 or 2 services on that day (unless you attend Our Lady of Peace Shrine in Santa Clara); by not mentioning it on the preceding Sunday, except for a line in the bulletin. Yet that is at conflict with exactly “what Vatican II intended” and what its principal interpreter, Paul VI, says was intended for devotion to the Bl Virgin Mary.
Even Paul VI notes the new calendar should emphasize all the major Marian liturgical days as well as, Paul VI says, important Marian days such as July 16th, Our Lady of Mt Carmel; Oct. 7th, Our Lady of the Rosary; and Our Lady…
..of Lourdes (Feb 11th), and yes, the predecessor feast to the Assumption, St Mary Major, “Our Lady of the Snows”, Aug. 5th—because it used to be, up until the tradition was lost sometime in the post V2 pontificates, that the reigning pope would leave Castel Gandolfo (which P Francis is announcing he is selling anyway, to some world power multi-billionaire elite) to celebrate Mass for the Assumption every year at St. Mary Major, the church dedicated to the Mother of God, now reigning with Our Lord in heaven. Another example of de-emphasis of a nearly 17-century tradition of Marian devotion, no matter how you want to dress it up.
So, to keep the Assumption novena, to restore proper emphasis to one of the BV Mary’s most major solemn celebrations, we can keep the novena each day:
“Though we are unable to have an adequate perception of Mary’s glory in heaven, by which she is raised above all angels and saints, yet it is in our power to do one thing; we can rejoice at the glory of our blessed Mother, and join the heavenly spirits and the saints in paying homage to her. ”
We can especially pray for our bishops and prelates (actually many priests “get this”, surviving in priesthood by devotion to the BV Mary),that they may come to realize that there is no honor paid to Our Lord if it is done so by…
..effectively diminishing the reverent devotion due the Bl Virgin Mary and her Assumption.
Abp. Pozzo on SSPX: Disputed Vatican II Documents Are Non-Doctrinal – One Peter Five
Yes, very good point (Abp. Pozzo, “Disputed V2 Documents are Non-Doctrinal”), Catherine, and so there can be no phony Catholic orthodoxy litmus-test of a non-doctrine.
…the truth always comes out, Catherine.(…as it’s always there.) Even if it is obscured for expediency’s sake. Sadly, many have been beaten away by misunderstanding by those who should tend them or take them as their closest allies.
“…the truth always comes out, Catherine.(…as it’s always there.) Even if it is obscured for expediency’s sake.” : > )
This reminds me of the husband who one day decided to ignore his first spouse and their many years of prosperous traditions because he thought the grass was more inclusively greener in other pastures…. Only to finally discover that those broadminded pastures really aren’t green at all. So what does this husband do when he see’s the terrible devastation in the vineyard? He then wisely remembers and invites that loyal spouse to please come and help with the “task of strengthening” the Catholic Faith. A tremendous gift for the Church!
…just so, Catherine. And the first spouse will always be there because they are not only committed to the husband, but to the Lord who is the foundation of true marriage.
Day 6, Assumption novena.
As we all know, the novena, as in the Eastern Church where they have already begun Aug. 1 with prayers preparing daily for the Dormition, is the spiritual preparation for a great solemnity.
The second part will be the commemoration, the 8-day octave, to recapitulate the solemnity each day. Now, in the traditional Missal and office (breviary), this was done each succeeding day (cf. http://www.breviary.net, or also http://www.divinumofficium.com, where the Latin Rite for each hour of the day and the Mass is available, side-be-side, in Latin and English ).
Such hatred of The Mass of Alll Times from some people here very sad indeed to hate the Holy Mass instituted by Christ himself, you should do some soul searching very sad.
Who has hatred for the Latin mass. Oh and by the way, the mass Christ himself instituted was in vernacular Aramaic.
“Who has hatred for the Latin mass?” = The devil has hatred for the Latin Mass. The father of lies mocks the Latin Mass in the diabolical black mass.
Oh and by the way, God created Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve, but you already knew that. Yes, Your Faking Catholic, the devil hates God’s plan for creation too. I’m sure that green, slithering serpent is pleased to learn that the “green team” will soon be working it’s way into each parish, teaching about conserving the planet by conserving the amount of hosts being unnecessarily distributed. Let’s teach! Waste not, want not! The trusting sheep are being so manipulated. They do not realize they are really being groomed as useful idiots.
So, the Fellow Catholic is a primitivist now (a condemned heresy BTW) — the Mass should be in the original Aramaic [by the way, which text does not survive in any certain written authority]?
Utterly disingenuous, aren’t you, “Fellow”? You couldn’t really want an ancient rite in the ancient sacred language, do you? Because if you did, you could attend the Maronite Rite, the Canon of which is in Aramaic. It also calls the Mass an unbloody sacrifice, and its liturgical structure is closely similar to the TLM (Offertory; Epiclesis; Institutional Narrative; Anamnesis; Doxology). It is not, however, in the least,correspondent to the Novus Ordo.
That has got to hurt.
Day 7, Assumption Novena.
“Venerable to us, O Lord, is the festivity of this day on which the holy Mother of God suffered temporal death, but still could not be kept down by the bonds of death, who has begotten your Son our Lord incarnate from herself.”(excerpt, Munificentissimus Deus, Ap. Const., 1950, #17; excerpt quoting a prayer in Gregorian Sacramentary (essentially the same Missal as Pius V’s 1570) that P. Adrian I sent to Charlemagne (d. 814).
In Muni.Deus, #19, P Pius XII also observes the long, long line of papal tradition that “has made the feast ever more solemn”: Sergius I (d.701); Leo IV (d.855); and Nicholas 1 (d. 867)noted in particular. How ancient and solemn was this Marian day in prior, and better, Catholic…
If this is so, how ancient a feast was the Assumption in its veneration and holy day status.
So what tradition of the last 50 or so years authorized the contradiction and de-veneration of this holy feast? Where was it “defined” to “take down” this solemn day? Where is the “hermeneutic of continuity” alleged for Vatican II?
[Answer: Very little, or none at all.]
Day 8, Assumption Novena. (Aug 13th, today, anticipates the Assumption Vigil, since the preceding say is Sunday.)
An early Greek codex (ca 500 AD?) describes S. Peter’s interment of the Bl. Virgin Mary in Jerusalem; he is instructed to go to Gethsemane:
“Go out from the city and to the left, and you will find a new tomb. There you will place the body.” (Codex Vaticanus #1982)
Also, “Book of the Most Holy Virgin, the Mother of God”, by Pseudo-Melito, mentions the Virgin’s burial:
“But the Apostles carrying Mary came into the place of the valley of Josaphat which the Lord had showed them, and laid her in a new tomb and shut the sepulcher.” (The Valley of Josaphat is the Kidron valley, near Gethsemane.)
Of course, Ephesus, and “The Holy House of Mary and John”, is also a tradition, that “John the Theologian” wrote the 4th Gospel while residing with the Bl Virgin Mary there.
bb Anna Katerina Emmerich mentioned this location, and relying on her visionary descriptions almost entirely, Abbe Julian Gouyet, urged on by Sister Marie de Mandat-Grancey, DC, discovered the site in 1891. Local Turkish peasants — not Christians, of course — every year on Aug. 15th would make a procession to the site and the ruins of the house, which they called Panaya Kapulu (“Doorway to the Virgin”). Regardless it also is a holy site of Mary’s earthly pilgrimage, and both Jerusalem and Ephesus are venerated as sites of the last days of Our Lady on…
You can read the amazing story in the book, “Mary’s House in Ephesus”, of Sr. Marie de Mandat-Grancey’s efforts and the entirely supernaturally guided outcome:
Vatican II NEVER said to end Latin, Gregorian chant, high altars, communion rails, statues, kneelers, altar boys, sub-deacons, Roman and Gothic vestments, bells, incense, proper attire, yet all of this happened WHY??????
Janek, you are correct. VlI never said to end …. Keep in mind, however, that this is the Roman church: that which is not forbidden is permited!
Day 9, Assumption Novena. From the Vigil, Roman Missal:
Omnipotens sempitérne Deus, qui Immaculátam Vírginem Maríam, Fílii tui Genitrícem, córpore et ánima ad cæléstem glóriam assumpsísti: concéde, quaesumus; ut ad supérna semper inténti, ipsíus glóriæ mereámur esse consórtes.
“Almighty everlasting God, who hast taken body and soul into heaven the Immaculate Virgin Mary, Mother of thy Son: grant, we beseech thee, that by steadfastly keeping heaven as our goal we may be counted worthy to join her in glory. Through the same Jesus Christ, thy Son …”
Thank you, Justin K, for taking the time to post the beautiful Assumption Novena!
Feast of the Assumption – YouTube
(you are welcome, Catherine.. your posts are always informative, too, keep it up!)
Today, Aug 15th, 2016, The Assumption, “Double Feast of the 1st Class”
The full traditional Latin office is recited completely, and available by live-streaming (and stored for later listening also), at the site of the Benedictine Abbaye Sainte-Madeleine du Barroux (in France): here is the English portal, which will guide you to the French site.
https://www.barroux.org/en/liturgie/listen-to-our-offices.html (English site)
If you cant attend Mass today, which should be a holy-day of obligation, you can hear the Traditional Divine Office by subscribing to the podcast, or hearing it live, on this, the most ancient Marian solemnity, a day that…
..was always a holy-day of obligation in the US, even prior to the 1950 dogmatic definition.
Day 2, Octave of the Assumption, Aug. 16th, St Joachim, father of the Bl Virgin Mary. Prayer, Traditional Mass:
Deus, qui præ ómnibus Sanctis tuis beátum Jóachim Genitrícis Fílii tui patrem esse voluísti: concéde, quæsumus; ut, cujus festa venerámur, ejus quoque perpétuo patrocínia sentiámus. Per eúmdem Dóminum nostrum Jesum Christum Fílium tuum, qui tecum vivit et regnat in unitáte Spíritus Sancti, Deus, per ómnia sæcula sæculórum.
[English translation, Collect, St. Joachim, Aug. 16th]
Let us pray.
O God, didst choose blessed Joachim from among the company of thy Saints, that of him might be begotten the Mother of thy Son: grant that we who on his feast day devoutly do him honour; may ever be assisted by his fatherly protection. Through the same Jesus Christ, thy Son our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee, in the unity of the Holy Ghost, ever one God, world without end.
I liveth my lifeth from whensch I shall cometh.
Day 3 Assumption Octave, Aug. 17th:
The Assumption connection of the St Hyacinth, the Dominican apostle to Poland, but who also travelled through Denmark, Scotland, Austria and Livonia (present-day Latvia and Lithuania), is his death on the Feast of the Assumption in 1257, a date he considered a great favor.
Prayer, Aug. 17th, Roman Missal, St Hyacinth:
Let us pray.
O God, who makest us glad with the yearly feast of blessed Hyacinth thy Confessor: mercifully grant, that as we now observe his heavenly birthday, so we may follow him in all virtuous and godly living. Through Jesus Christ, thy Son our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee, in the unity of the Holy Ghost, ever one God, world without end.
Assumption Octave, Day 4, Aug. 18th.
Even prior to 1950 and its dogmatic definition, Dom Gaspar Lefevbre OSB noted (1937, St Andrew Missal) that the requirement of faith in the Assumption was already established: “The immaculate body of Mary remained without corruption and was borne up to heaven, before the general resurrection (Roman Breviary, 5th Lesson, Matins).”
On this Octave day, Dom Lefevbre’s meditation: “The harmony which reigns in the works of God required an earlier resurrection of the Mother of God, who, holy among all and ever virgin, deserved on the part of her Son, a reward worthy of her position as Queen of Heaven and Mediatrix of all mankind.”
Day 5, Assumption Octave. S. John Eudes (formerly a “double-feast of the 1st class for the great saint of devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Sacred Heart of Jesus; now an “optional-memorial” in the dying N.O.).
S.John Eudes’ connection to the Assumption Octave, besides his popularizing of the Immaculate Heart and Sacred Heart devotions, was due to his passing away Aug. 19th, 1680 @ Caen, France. [The seminary he founded lasted for over 300 years—however was finally closed in 2015, due to the collapse of the Vatican II Church in France:]
However, a perfect commemoration of the Assumption are the many Eudist devotions, to be said…
on this day, such as this short litany to the Immaculate Heart of Mary:
Day 6, Assumption Octave, Aug. 20th: St Bernard of Clairvaux.
S. Bernard’s connection to the Assumption Octave is both historical–he passed into Our Lord’s embrace on Aug. 20th, 1153, and his body was laid in state before the Altar of Our Lady at Clairvaux Abbey–but also of course due to his preaching of Marian devotion (the “Memorare” prayer is attributed to one of his sermons), and it was his adding of 3 invocations to Salve Regina anthems ending (O Clemens, O Pia, O Dulcis Maria”; “O Clement, O Loving, O Sweet Virgin Mary.”
(I am filling in for you, Justin K, since it looks like you got busy: and I wanted to comment on S Bernard’s Day yesterday, hope you don’t mind.)