The following comes from a July 1 story by Kevin Daly on the Stream.
ChristianMingle.com, an online platform for single Christians seeking relationships, must accommodate gay users, a California judge ruled.
Two gay men in California brought a lawsuit against ChristianMingle’s parent company Spark Network, which also administers CatholicMingle.com, AdventistSinglesConnection.com, BlackSingles.com, and a mobile application CROSSPATHS. They alleged the site’s failure to accommodate gay users violated the Unruh Civil Rights Act, a state anti-discrimination law.
ChristianMingle only includes “man seeking woman” and “woman seeking man” options for users, but does not include alternatives for users seeking members of the same sex.
The ruling gives the website two years to ensure that the gateway options on the homepage for new users ask only whether a user is a “man” or “woman.” The order also allows the website to maintain the current options if an alternative for individuals seeking members of the same sex is included. The verdict is also applied against the other dating platforms Spark Network operates.
“I am gratified that we were able to work with Spark to help ensure that people can fully participate in all the diverse market places that make our country so special, regardless of their sexual orientation,” plaintiff’s attorney Vineet Dubey told The Wall Street Journal.
Spark Network will also pay $9,000 to the two plaintiffs and reimburse them for attorney’s fees.
No one can support special “LGBT rights” and be a sincere, knowledgeable Christian or virtuous citizen. Dioceses and parishes should not have “LGBT ministries” or “outreaches” because to do so subtly validates the distorted politics and anthropology espoused by the “LGBT” crowd.
Same-sex “marriage” is going to result in Christianity being illegal to practice. Christians will not be able to express or abide by Christian morality because the state is going to dictate and force them to burn incense to the LGBT gay god in the rainbow pantheon.
LGBT is inimical to Christianity and to human fulfillment and happiness.
This story shows how tyrannical LGBTs are.
I’m not sure I agree with this court decision. I don’t believe in discriminating against people, but I do think businesses have a right to offer a product, so this one is right on the border for me. But I completely disagree with you Sawyer when you say that “LGBT is inimical to Christianity and to human fulfillment and happiness.” You have no evidence for that. You go far beyond what the Church teaches about LGBT. You simply make up a set of words to make your own biases sound legitimate.
1) LGBT claims that same-sex attraction is good/normal; Catholicism teaches it is objectively disordered.
2) LGBT claims that marriage may be between persons of the same sex; Catholicism teaches it is between one man and woman only.
3) LGBT claims that human sexuality is fluid, not tied to biological reality; Catholicism teaches it is a fixed reality of embodied human existence.
There can be no compromise between the LGBT worldview and the Catholic worldview; they are contrary views about God, anthropology and human finality.
So, you see, LGBT is indeed inimical to Christianity and to human fulfillment and happiness. If LGBT is true, large portions of Catholicism are false. The two cannot be harmonized; they are opposing,…
Let’s see if we have this right.
The rights of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Native Americans and Atheists to practice their religion shall not be infringed.
But not so for Christians?
This is evil! This decision of the court, is un-American, and highly immoral! SHAME ON THEM ALL!! If I were in charge, I would put an end to all of these online dating businesses, and go do something else!
Pander or Perish = the ‘gospel’ of the Gaystapo.
Who wants half a million $$ for forcing ‘Catholic’ Mingle sights to promote objectively disordered behaviors contrary to Clear and Unambiguous Church Teachings – let the lawyers line up at the trough.
Pope Francis is clear on Marriage and Gender (only two – Male – XY & Female XX, genetic birth defects notwithstanding) – so he will be sued next doubtless.
BTW – in California it is a governmentally punishable offense to even Recommend a “Commission on the Status of Men” – to operate in tandem with the long established and tax subsidized Commission on the Status of Women – actually for only Radical Gender Feminist Misandrist Womyn (Hateful to Men & Boys, Masculinity & Normal…
BTW – Aameda County Supervisor Scott Haggerty is on record as saying he would Never Allow a County Commission for Men, and Never appoint a Man to the tax subsidized Commission for Women.
Most if not all CA Counties have such a double standard, in service of ‘equality’ and ‘male feminists’ are the stooges for the Misandry Machine.
Such is the scam of ‘equality’ in the ‘our’ one party State & Abomination.
Gosh – as if there weren’t enough hook up sites for the gaily Happy to grind away at – and produce predictable results like the CDC has published
https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been rising among gay and bisexual men, with increases in syphilis… men who have sex with men often get other STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections…
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to get anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who do not have HIV to get anal cancer.
Hmmmmm ….. When these sites first started there was a short lived Catholic lesbian site I tried. I guess this means that gay sites have to also allow straight people to use their services. One of the problems gay Christians have on Match.Com etc. is that when your profile shows you’re Catholic, and say religion is very important to you, a lot of people make assumptons they shouldn’t.
Maybe chaste homosexuals should clear up any wrong assumptions people might make in the personal essay portion of the profile. Seems easy enough to address matters there.
But it does raise the valid question: “What is a chaste homosexual doing on a dating website?” Oh, maybe you aren’t chaste? That’s one problem for a Catholic. Oh, maybe you’re looking for an opposite-sex date? Wait, I thought you were homosexual.
It makes no sense for a chaste homosexual to be on a dating website. Dating websites have as their aim a type of relationship that isn’t possible for a chaste homosexual.
C&H, if you are Catholic, why in the world do you seek lesbian dating? Why not instead seek to live a chaste life, and join a “Courage” group??
Linda Maria – I submit that you are simply encouraging ‘anonymous’ (Paid?) Trolls to trash this worthy website by asking questions of those who are here only to disrupt and degrade the discussion boards and the Church.
I also submit to you that It is like giving bags of candy to a diabetic – and just as toxic.
As I recommend (and practice) Just Scroll By the Troll, and ignore the disruption for honest dialogue with honest posters,
I do not mean to scold you – but like at the zoo I discourage feeding Trolls, it only makes them more aggressive to the rest here.
MMcD, This is excellent advice. SSA people want to gross out the rest of us with their inclusion here of way too personal details of a life of disorder. Apparently their focus is flag waving for SSA. If they valued their immortal soul & truly were attempting a chaste Catholic life, these personal details would not be presented as a badge of courage. After noticing this tendency, I have started scrolling by too.
Golly Campers – Like Minds with sound arguments worth reading about “PIPs” – Paid Internet Protesters::
“Don’t Feed the Trolls – It Just Encourages Them
https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dont-feed-the-trolls-it-just-encourages-them/
The sexual revolution is built on an intellectual house of cards. It cannot withstand close scrutiny.
Therefore, sexual revolutionaries cannot afford to discuss ideas, reasons and evidence. Instead they spend their time making noise that appears to be pointless….
LM… The dating site was along time ago. After my girlfriend died more than 10 years ago I haven’t dated much at all. I cannot believe our relationship was sinful and I believe it did honor God. As to the future, if God sends me Ms. Right, we’ll see.
The death included a gift of opportunity for you to go in another direction. While the relationship existed, you had no vision beyond the immediate. I have a very tough time with people insisting upon what they believe, even when it contradicts 2,000 years of theology and testimony by the saints. This is the essence of moral relativism, and the denial of objective truth. Yet the blockage is such that you can’t see that. Essentially your position is aligned with Pliate’s, “what is truth?”
You view the death of a loved one as a “gift”?
‘While the relationship existed, you had no vision beyond the immediate”You know that because? Actually our vision included a life together, hopefully with children surounded by our families and worshiping God together into old age. My “position” is aligned not with Pliate’s but rather with the teachings of the Church on the primacy of consience. Please note I’m not applying it to all same-sex romantic relationships or even some others, only mine and Helen’s.
Ah, C&H floats the “primacy of conscience” canard, a dissident’s favorite false refuge. There is no primacy of conscience. There is a primacy of truth.
There is a responsibility to have a well-formed conscience. A conscience that conflicts with constant and universal Catholic doctrine is, by the very fact of conflict, not well-formed.
Conscience is not a “get out of sin free” card. You know the truth, you know the evil, yet you still choose it because you wish evil to be good. That’s not a decision of conscience; that’s a decision to violate the judgment of conscience.
Your conscience is well-formed on this matter; you’re just not following it. Don’t pretend otherwise.
“…Your conscience is well-formed on this matter; you’re just not following it. Don’t pretend otherwise.”
Unfortunately, such an assumption can no longer be made as ambiguity has given leeway to those holding positions of power within the Church to teach something entirely different, Sawyer.
This is why clarity is critical. The “interpretation” canard is that which is leading those who should advocate for clarity to not root-cause the problems that are demonstrated right here by those claiming to be Catholic.
That’s also why many are led to believe that pastoral councils are binding by way of doctrine. But you are correct in that there is a responsibility to have a well formed conscience. That, however, will never occur…
…so long as clarity is perceived as a dirty word or that which is demonstrably ambiguous is given a free pass.
Until Catholics understand this, there will be no more well-formed consciences. For if the “legitimate” authority grants a pass, who are you, Sawyer, to chastise another for taking what route is provided to get-out-of-sin by way of verbal gymnastics?
We cannot legitimately condition our acceptance of Church teachings on our personal beliefs. That’s the height of arrogance and results in nothing but spiritual stalemate. Instead, we must deny ourselves and accept first. Then the gift of faith and understanding follows. ‘Pick up your cross and follow Me.’ ‘Thou shall not put the Lord thy God to the test.’ And I’m not preaching – I’m testifying from personal experience. You can either allow your life to be changed, or insist that it won’t.
The primacy of conscience can never override objective truth. That’s Nancy Pelosi’s defense, and it’s delusional. Our consciences must be formed in accordance with truth, they cannot be self-formed in accordance with our own consciences. That’s obviously circular, and the very essence of moral relativism, the point I made 2 posts ago. A person is either a relativist, or denies themselves and seeks objective truth. Ultimately, it’s the difference between Heaven and Hell. Your response affirms my point.
Your iniquities have divided between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you. Isaiah 59:2
LM..Celibacy for priests and religious is a vocation volluntarilly accepted. Even then it’s hard. I know a priest who fell in love with a woman decades after being ordained. He sucked it up, continued with his holy vocation and officiated at her wedding later. For myself, I don’t believe God has laid that burdon on me invollunterally.
C&H, “primacy of conscience” is a Protestant notion. You need to have a Catholic conscience, and if you don’t, then pray for this gift and humble yourself to accept it.
No, primacy of conscience is very much a Catholic idea. Please refer to the Catechism which says that we are forbidden from violating our conscience.
To be clear, “YFC”, one must not violate their Properly Formed Catholic Conscience. Recognize the difference to which the catechism refers, do not equate a malformed conscience to a properly formed Catholic one.
A GOOD Catholic prelate speaking the truth. Article dated July 6th, 2016: Archbishop Charles J. Chaput issued a new set of pastoral guidelines on Friday in which he says that Catholics who are divorced and remarried, cohabitating and unmarried, or in a same-sex partnership must “refrain from sexual intimacy” to participate in Holy Communion. @ https://www.pennlive.com/news/ by Lizzy Hardison. God bless him (Chaput) for being such a good shepherd & so concerned (to issue a pastoral guideline) and for clarity. (Guess he also doesn’t want to go to hell for anyone or the sin of omission.)
Continued…..sorry the link above is no longer directing you to the correct article. However, Cal-catholic has already repeated the Chaput story on July 7th titled, ” ArchBishop Chaput mediates Francis.
This earthly life is brief, and is supposed to be a pilgrimage to Heaven, not an opportunity to sin and wreck your soul, which is originally made in the Divine Image of God! Those with the SSA attractions, should think deeper– and perhaps consider that their handicap may be a grace, and that it may be turned into something very useful by God, as a CHASTE lifelong pathway to Heaven, of more concentrated effort to serve God, daily— instead of serving the flesh, sin and selfishness!
Best to stand up and say No to the Judge. If he threatens to shut the site down, so be it. Better for it to be shut down than the cancer of sin spreading through honest souls.
BAD NEWS: Apparently our Pope moves forward with a gay lobby, of sorts, too. Here is what the people @ catholic family news say about the appointment of AB Cupich from Chicago. Found @ https://www.cfn.org/page88/files/ “Pope Taps Pro-Homosexual Cupich for Key Bishop-Making Panel” CFN intro: Leftist Cupich is notoriously pro-homosexual. He is now positioned by Francis to recommend men of his ilk to become bishops in the USA. The Francis disaster continues full throttle & will further poison the Church in America & worldwide. Oremus – jv
Why are we following the direction of the POTUS on this gay power issue in the church? May God help & deliver His church in His mercy.
Sorry folks…the link above is incorrect. The correct link for the Cupich article is:
https://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/db9b8d6e51f9a3f8d41702fc9d35df9c-610.html
Sorry for any inconvenience.
FTP – Your link did not work, and took me to a different site. so I include the newer link and will test It and if it isn’t doing what is is supposed to… I will try again.
Ahem….
Pope Taps Pro-Homosexual Cupich for Key Bishop-Making Panel
https://www.cfnews.org/page88/files/db9b8d6e51f9a3f8d41702fc9d35df9c-610.html
CFN intro: Leftist Cupich is notoriously pro-homosexual. He is now positioned by Francis to recommend men of his ilk to become bishops in the United States. The Francis disaster continues full throttle and will further poison the Church in America and worldwide. Oremus – jv
MMcD, Thank you. You are so good. From now on I will remember to test them myself. Sorry for the inconvenience. Yours works of course.
FTP – I try, but do not always succeed either. Sometimes it is the Automatic ‘Spool-Chucker’ (Spell checker) which Alters words to fit its own idiosyncracies, and sometimes the links get truncated by the limits.
Humans are not perfect, and it always helps if we help each other. That is one of the reasons why I like this website, because it is a cumulative effort that recognizes and allows for differences of opinion between honest posters…
And we can just Scroll Past the (Paid?) Trolls, who remain as disruptively disrespectful of the message board as they are ‘anonymous’ in their scams.
MMcD, — I am an awful typist on top of not being able to read this tiny print very well. So I error often. Many of my postings yesterday & today were corrections to ‘links’. (Sorry people.)
I’m enjoying this place more now that I zoom past the disruptors & those who have alternative lifestyles but insist on sharing way to much personal information, for my Catholic sensibilities.
There is such a thing as a dead conscience, too, which can lead to the sin against the Holy Spirit — final impenitence. See the article on line “Killing a Conscience in Seven Steps” by Rev. Phillip E. Dion, C.M.
Love does not misuse someone else’s body for its own selfish pleasure, nor does it deliberately deprive a child of both a mother and a father. Those are the evil deeds of lust not love.
The Great Apostacy is here, today, now! Pray, pray, and pray the rosary!