On Monday March 16, KALW radio’s City Visions will host a program “Can Bay Area Catholics and Archbishop Cordileone find Common Ground?” Scheduled guests are the Reverend Vincent Pizzuto; Most Holy Redeemer parishioner and teachers’ union representative Ted DeSaulnier; and Santa Clara professor Sally Vance-Trembath. Representing the Catholic Church is Father Anthony Giampietro, interim director of development for the archdiocese of San Francisco.
Father Pizzuto left the faith and founded his own religious community, New Skellig. In 2007 he was ordained a priest of the Celtic Christian Church, a church not in communion with Rome. On December 9, 2014 he (and the community he founded) was received as a priest into the Episcopal Church of California. The last time Pizzuto was on KALW radio (San Francisco’s branch of National Public Radio), the program was “Far from Rome: being gay and Catholic in the Bay Area.” Pizzuto was joined by “Roman Catholic Womandeacon” Christine Fahrenbach, and homosexual activist priest Father Donal Godfrey, S.J.
Pizzuto was open about his aims: He described efforts to change the Church’s teachings as a “battle very much under way” and said that “the Bible, as we understand it really does not address current issues… what we need to change is not so much the scriptures, which of course we cannot change, but the interpretation that has been given to them. And that’s going to take a lot of theologically and biblically interpretive work to move us forward.” In addition to his ministry at the Episcopal Church, Pizzuto currently is an associate professor of religious studies and theology at University of San Francisco. He is director of USF’s Catholic Studies and Social Thought minor.
The second scheduled guest is Ted DeSaulnier. KALW identifies him thusly: “Union Representative, CFT Local 2240 and religion teacher at Archbishop Riordan High School; former religion department chair at Marin Catholic and Cheverus High School.”
A number of online resources verify that DeSaulnier is a religion teacher at Riordan; in an online letter he identifies himself as the chairman of the religion department and as a campus minister. However, neither his name nor biography currently appears on the faculty webpage for Riordan’s department of theology/religious studies, although all the other listed members of that department do. In fact, there appear to have been some recent changes among Riordan’s theology/religious studies faculty: as of February 22, 2015 there was no department chairman identified, but by March 13, a teacher named Ken Swan had filled the position.
According to parish bulletins, DeSaulnier is a longtime member of San Francisco’s notorious Most Holy Redeemer Church. Pizzuto, too, has a long history with San Francisco’s “90% gay” parish. He was a guest speaker at the parish as far back as 2006 and he was a guest speaker as recently as February 21, 2015. He was apparently dis-invited from the parish under all-too-brief pastorate of Father Brian Costello, when Father Costello found out Pizzuto supported and was willing to celebrate same-sex marriages, but that ban has been lifted by the new management.
The third anti-Catholic speaker is Professor Sally Vance-Trembath, from Santa Clara University. In 2005, Vance-Trembath gave the keynote speech at a San Francisco meeting of Voice of the Faithful. Vance Trembath told the San Francisco Chronicle “Fifty years from now Voice of the Faithful will be remembered as the tiny pebble that rolled down the hill and became the biggest thing to hit the Church.” The organization no longer exists in Northern California.
“Finding Common Ground” isn’t what the Archbishop is called to do. He must lead his flock by teaching truth, even the ones considered difficult. The deviant sexual morality of some cannot push the Church to abandon her teachings in this area.
Then please write his excellency and show him your support. It is during these trying times in which we need to unite and give the support needed to encourage one another.
If 90 percent of that parish is admitting they are gay that leaves 10 percent and what’s there beliefs with this lifestyle ? Why not close that specific location ? These people are just using the Church and Catholic name to spread there filth.
Because the parishioners there leave Archbishop Cordileone feeling “tenderized.” Awwwww…..
https://newwaysministryblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/san-franciscos-archbishop-says-dialogue-with-lgbt-people-can-tenderize-us/
Ditto to that Kristin
Well said Kristin.
One of the most painful tasks for the Archbishop must be to endure a twit assert that ‘What we need to change is the interpretation that has been given to Scriptures’. How are we to reinterpret Christ’s words about divorce and remarriage to mean anything other than what they so obviously mean?
“Common Ground” is code for compromising the Church’s teachings. It’s time, way past time, to assert that those teachings are eternal and unchanging. That’s one thing that makes the Church different from the world. It doesn’t have to (it can’t) change its teachings to suit contemporary fads. We live in a world which glorifies and celebrates promiscuous sex of every kind, fornication, adultery, sodomy, you name it. That is an aberration from God’s law. The Church cannot change it’s teaching to accommodate such perversions. In fact She is called to be a counter-culture calling humanity back to its senses. Archbishop Cordileone deserves great credit for being a Church leader who says to the world, you are wrong and we won’t go along with you, and Catholic schools under my jurisdiction will teach authentic Catholic doctrine.
Okay, I give up! WHY is a former Catholic priest, who left the faith, now a priest in the Episcopal Church of California, associate professor of religious studies and theology (of all things) at the ‘Catholic’ University of San Francisco AND director of USF ‘Catholic’ Studies??? Am I missing something here?
The reason is that liberals want to change the Church’s teaching, so She no longer proclaims the Catholic Faith, but some modernist secular concoction that makes her ‘relevant’ in the modern world – as relevant as the Episcopal Church! They figure if they can teach enough young impressionable people to accept their version of Catholicism, they will force the Church to drop Her insistence on things like the indissolubility of marriage, the disordered nature of gay sex etc. Amazingly they believe that sheer numbers will convince the Pope to change, as if he were a politician running for office. More amazingly they firmly believe Pope Francis embraces their cause and is merely waiting for an opportune time to revise Church teaching to bring it into line with theirs.
That’s a pretty accurate summary.
More accurately, they will lie and say the Church changed her teaching. Don’t give them any more power than they have. Speak only of the True Catholic Faith.
Pizzuto was never a Catholic priest. He is a lay Catholic who left the faith and was ordained into the ”Celtic Christian Church.” Last year he was ”received” into the Episcopal Church.
Why is anybody going to debate persons who are not Catholics?
Those who wish to join the Episcopalian Church of Anthony Giampietro have a free will to do so.
Those who wish to be Catholic have a free will to do so.
If you wish to be Catholic, you must adhere to the teachings of the Church which can be found in Sacred Scripture
and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (second edition, 1997, dark green cover).
I invite all who are interested in the Catholic Faith to read both.
Eva,
Father Anthony Giampietro is a Roman Catholic Priest and an AWESOME one at that, he is not Episcopalian Priest!
Elizabeth, I agree, he’s a good one. I think the poster misread who was who.
But why only one real Catholic on the program? (I’m sure he can take care of himself, but still…)
Hmmm. Is he too young to be appointed Auxiliary Bishop to fill the up coming vacancy?
Amen to that Eva! The Catholic Church must always stay true to the teaching of scripture and the Catechism no matter how the world changes. If anyone is in disagreement, let them go to another church.
Better yet, instead, get yourself a copy of the Catechism of the Council of Trent. Much more explanatory and in-depth than the post-conciliar catechism of St. JPII. Besides, you don’t get the seemingly almost total obsession with the “dignity” of man, at the detriment of the dignity of God.
What Christian Bible is Pizzuto using ?
This is what happens when Catholics do not read for themselves, and follow and believe a lying former Priest with his own immoral agenda.
Think of all those who hear the program and will not know the truth of what the Scriptures really state.
Please read the following Bible verses, then copy and paste into your own email or document file to save the following Bible references for your future use so you can help teach the truth.
We must get out the truth of what the Bible really states.
“Thou shall not commit Adultery” – GOD’s Commandment
Ex 20:14 ; Deut 5:18.
“Thou shall not covet thy Neighbor’s wife” – GOD’s Commandment
Ex 20:17 ; Deut 5.20.
JESUS about divorce and remarriage – Mk 10:6-12; Mt 5:32.
JESUS about adultery, mercy, and required repentance – “Go and Sin NO more” Jn 8:11.
About homosexual acts:
Gen 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27 ; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10; Jude 1:7.
St Paul – 1 Cor 11:27-30 about condemnation for receiving Holy Communion unworthily.
Jesus about Profaning the Holy – Mt 7:6.
CCC: ” 81 Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.
And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its ENTIRETY the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching. “
The “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH” (aka CCC) contains the “Doctrine of the Faith”.
Those who choose to be Catholic must adhere to the CCC in entirety.
For quotes from Popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis about the CCC go to: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”
https://whatcatholicsreallybelieve.com/
“ The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved … and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine,
attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture,
the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. ” – Pope John Paul II,
CCC page 5.
Regarding homosexual acts: CCC: # 2357, 2358, 2359, & 2396.
Finding “common ground” is compromising the Faith.
We must never compromise our Faith – no matter how hard the homosexuals push. Let them start their own Faith – the Faith of Sodomy.
We must educate ourselves first, and then educate others by reading a Catholic Bible and the CCC.
Lack of education LEADS to serious errors, lies and heresy perpetrated by those who support Mortal Sins.
CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man takes little trouble to find out what is true and good,
or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.
In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”
Headline should have read “FORMER Catholic Priest”.
At bottom, these are folks who would say that “the defect” is in the Church’s indefectible teachings rather than in themselves. If the Archbishop caved in to them now, it would do more harm than if he had never attempted a morality clause. Pray that God be his strength! Yet, regardless of the outcome, I am and shall remain at peace, entrusting all to Divine Providence. In Eternity, these children of the Devil have already lost. Soon enough their defeat shall become manifest in Time…. Meanwhile, it is ours to be faithful; God’s to be successful.
No surprise here that the Church, through a single priest, is facing three strong advocates of homosexual religion. A rigged game assures a predictable outcome.
But that’s justice, according to the new teaching: this is a battle the Church is supposed to lose, Prayers for Father Anthony Giampietro as he enters the lion’s den.
“No surprise here that the Church, through a single priest, is facing three strong advocates of homosexual religion. A rigged game assures a predictable outcome.” Dan
Got that Right – and what do you bet that there will Not be ‘Equal Time’ for the Opposing sides, but 3/4 to the Anti-Catholic gang – and the Priest will get to spend 1/4 of the time defending against attackers will will constantly interrupt.
Compare – at Santa Clara ‘university’ – the Notion of Anyone speaking For the Wise Moral Teachings of the Church is too Un-Good to consider – or permit.
The Campus Thought Police in Academentia (like small ‘c’ catholic Santa Clara) are vicious in their Censorship and Retaliation against those who fail to follow the only ‘gospel’ allowed by their Gaystapo = Pander or Perish.
So the Church stoops down to deal with people who have little if any credibility.
Why ?
Why is this article even published here? If not for the media, these no-account Catholics would lack any platform from which to spew forth their vile tripe on local Catholics.
To begin, Abp. Cordileone is under only one obligation: to teach the Faith. He is not a politician and does not answer to anyone except God. The notion of finding “common ground” is a non-sequitur on issues of sexual morality.
Further, people like Pizzuto are simply disgusting; demons walking among us. Satan has an angelic intelligence and knows that stupid Californian Catholics are influenced by having a “debate” on homosexuality and its sexual excretia.
Yet, perhaps, Pizzuto may get his way, for a time. Given the simply un-Catholic tsunami washing over cardinals and bishops for sexual licences, even for the most degrading things, like homosexuality, changes in Catholic “discipline” might happen. Of course, this will likely set off other things, that might make Cardinals Baldisseri, Dolan, Wuerl, and Abp. Forte, Cupich and others, very unhappy. You must have Faith to withstand the bufetting of the World, and many, many within the Church simply have none.
Like many descendants of immigrant families, and although I have an Irish Surname – it wasn’t until I actually visited the ‘Auld Sod’ that it was made clear how American I truly am. However – wherever one goes in the World, they are No Less or More Catholic – Nor is the Church.
Individual Parishes however – can be a mixed bag – like the bags of ‘indulgent’ drag hags who make a grotesque mockery of Catholic Nuns, so beloved at Most Holy Redeemer in Frisco; where my parents were Married in a very different day.
Thus the most recent episode of the Vortex from Church Militant TV – Dealing with the Reality of Saint Patrick and the Auld ‘Celtic’ culture – is one of the most informative and relevant to ever appear on the eve of ‘Green Beer Bust Day’ – formerly known as Saint Patrick’s Day.
SEE
THE VORTEX: ST. PATRICK
CDL DOLAN IS VERY WRONG ABOUT ST PATRICK
https://cmtvnews.com/2015/03/16/the-vortex-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-4623
*BTW – This story of the ancient Celts and Their Behaviors Before Conversion by Saint Patrick, is quite similar to the Spartan Slave-keepers and their Ephebophile ‘culture’ of Auld, as well as later day Pederast Warrior Evils that still bedevil the world:
SEE
The Strange, Strange Story of Gay Fascists.- by Johann Hari.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html
The lost boys of Afghanistan by: JOEL BRINKLEY.
https://www.startribune.com/opinion/101505674.html
Not very smart. Three anti-Catholics stacked against one Catholic priest. That is not a debate, not even a discussion, as the three anti-Catholics will monopolize the discussion.
The best course of action in my opinion is for the San Francisco Archdiocese to not send anyone to such “debates.” The Archbishop should simply state the position of the Catholic Church and end all discussion. Those who claim to be Catholic but will not accept Church teaching had best find some other place to preach their version of Catholicism.
I agree. Send them the exact verses from the Bible.
And the 4 paragraphs from the CCC.
That is enough.
The Church desperately needs the courage and integrity, to require all of her educational and charitable institutions and their leaders, to be truly CATHOLIC!! They must also be very busy, DEFENDING CATHOLIC FAITH AND MORALS, PUBLICALLY!! That is their TRUE MISSION, FOR CHRIST!! IMMORAL and HERETICAL “goofballs,” like Pizzuto and Trembath, have NO BUSINESS being on any payroll for teaching, at any Catholic school, whatsoever!! NO HEALTH AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS, EITHER— FOR DELIBERATELY MISLEADING CATHOLIC STUDENTS, AND BETRAYING CHRIST!! How many good Catholic parents work hard, and save up their money, so that their children can be educated in Catholic schools and universities?? They all are sadly BETRAYED— by their own Church!! As for Most Holy Redeemer “Church?” This is “Satan’s Gay Castro District Bar,” NOT CHRIST’S HOLY CHURCH!! It is a FRAUD!! The Archdiocese should CLOSE it, if they REFUSE to operate it HONESTLY, with INTEGRITY– FOR JESUS CHRIST!! It is HIS CHURCH– NOT THEIRS!!
Thirty years ago (inspired by Harvey Milk!) I came out as the creator of the first column on gay and lesbian issues in a Canadian student newspaper. Ten years ago I freely chose to become Catholic, believing that the Church’s teaching on same-sex attraction is the most humane, compassionate, and rational one on offer anywhere. I heartily wish that when I was a teenager struggling with my sexuality I had had a teacher like Archbishop Cordileone.
Fr Giampietro ably defended, in the face of a whole “school” of red herrings, the right of the Church to set the direction of its own schools. He who has ears to hear, let him listen!
Like many descendants of immigrant families, and although I have an Irish Surname – it wasn’t until I actually visited the ‘Auld Sod’ that it was made clear how American I truly am. However – wherever one goes in the World, they are No Less or More Catholic – Nor is the Church.
Individual Parishes however – can be a mixed bag – like the bags of ‘indulgent’ drag hags who make a grotesque mockery of Catholic Nuns, so beloved at Most Holy Redeemer in Frisco; where my parents were Married in a very different day.
Thus the most recent episode of the Vortex from Church Militant TV – Dealing with the Reality of Saint Patrick and the Auld ‘Celtic’ culture – is one of the most informative and relevant to ever appear on the eve of ‘Green Beer Bust Day’ – formerly known as Saint Patrick’s Day.
SEE
THE VORTEX: ST. PATRICK
CDL DOLAN IS VERY WRONG ABOUT ST PATRICK
https://cmtvnews.com/2015/03/16/the-vortex-st-patrick/comment-page-1/#comment-4623
Here’s a link to the podcast page of the program. I didn’t see that anyone has posted it yet. I just found it and haven’t listened.
https://kalw.org/post/city-visions-can-bay-area-catholics-and-archbishop-cordileone-find-common-ground
“[Sin is] loving what God hates, and hating what God loves.” Letter T29 St. Catherine of Siena