The following comes from a May 15 posting by Ed Whelan on National Review Online.
The National Catholic Committee on Scouting has issued a statement that, if properly applied, ought to require faithful Catholic scout leaders to vote against the Boy Scouts of America’s proposed resolution to allow openly gay youth members. The NCCS statement reads in part (emphasis added):
The Catholic Church teaches that those who experience same-sex attraction are always to be treated with dignity and respect. The Church also teaches that sexual acts belong within marriage, and that everyone – young or old, married or single – is called to chastity, through which we grow in our understanding of love. These teachings are especially important for those who serve as role models for young people. Because of this, the Church reserves the right to seek to place those who live by its teachings in leadership positions that serve our youth, as well as the right to continue to call our young people to live by the teachings of our faith and by moral truth which can be known by all.
As I have explained, although the proposed resolution purports to retain the BSA’s prohibition of adult leaders who are “open or avowed homosexuals,” its adoption would fatally undermine the BSA’s legal basis, under the Supreme Court ruling in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, for maintaining that prohibition. In other words, the entirely foreseeable effect of the resolution would be to compel Catholic-sponsored troops to allow openly gay adult leaders who don’t “live by [the Church’s] teachings.”
The NCSS statement is far too generous in crediting the BSA “for the seriousness with which it has approached the inclusion of adult leaders and youth who experience same-sex attraction.” In fact, the BSA within the space of three months has floated two dramatically different proposals that have in common only the feature that in practice each would lead readily to a wholesale repeal of the BSA’s policy against openly gay adult leaders. What the BSA leadership seems to have been most intent on is finding a way to snooker local scout leaders and parents into supporting a revision that is unworkable and unsustainable….
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Good article explaining in charity our faith on understanding where we draw the line! Keep it up! May our priests preach about this as well!
More power to CHASTITY! Praise be Jesus Christ!
I have spent more than 30 years in Scouting. I will most probably spend the rest of my life in tears for a great Organization that once was!
Scouting was infiltrated just as have been major corporations. If we had had the corporations we now have in 1941, we would have lost World War II!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Also people don’t understand the word chaste…even in a married state, one can be chaste by only remaining faithful to their vows to one another in Christ. Being Chaste is within a godly centered theology/believe/action etc….it is not outside of the dignity of a human being, only within which God has placed before mankind. It is within the understanding of the natural law that our Lord has placed upon mankind….it’s not just a Catholic thing…it can apply to all outside as well. How, well we all have sufficient graces from our Lord, whether we believe in Him or not, even an atheist can understand murder is murder and choose not to have an abortion or such….he can also choose to be chaste especially when he acknowledges that there is a good, truth and love. Ultimately of course all this comes from our Lord whether the person understands this or not. Virtues are perfected only in truth…to the imperfect mind, well it can still have the zeal to seek goodness and it is even in small amounts of truth that a person can achieve. As confusing as this may sound but we can learn more about being chaste is through the great example of the saints, what the CCC teaches about it, what the holy scriptures say and most important, the real fine line growing more chaste is to fear the Lord. To love thy self in which our Lord has ordained us to so. ……it is much more….
Since the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual persons should be treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against, the Church should have no problem with boys who are gay being in the Boy Scouts. I don’t think that most Catholics think that boys who are gay should be thrown out of the Boy Scouts due to their sexual orientation. That would be unfair.
as long as they live by the teachings of our Faith and by the moral truths which can be known by all.
They don’t, Anonymous. Why do you think the gays are the ones who create and rule the bureaucracies? Because they want to turn the boys into sodomites. It is cheaper than flying to Bangkok for virgin boys, and they even get paid big bucks for running the Boy Scout bureaucracy.
Here we go again….making twisted comments…no one is speaking of throwing out anyone….wow you sure live a scary life PA…..your views.
PA, you would be wrong..
I think most Catholics think that boys should not be exposed to the discussions regarding the gay lifestyle. Just what age of boys in scouting are we talking about? Children of the age 12 – 13 often question their sexuality, but it is a temporary period. No one should be “encouraged” to call themselves “gay” based on normal childhood concerns that are usually transitory. It is the gay community and their influence that would have boys of this age “experiment” with same sex attraction. That kind of suggestion is what causes more confusion and get kids [who normally would have passed through a short period of questioning without any problem] into believing themselves to be bi-sexual at a minimum. This is the worst kind of child abuse. Boys (children) in scouts should not even be exposed to these discussions, let alone behaviors. For heaven’s sake let these children be children and not steeped in the sexual fantasies of the gay community. Can’t we have at least one place for our children where their evil influence is not felt? Common sense has left our society. Any child who is experiencing confusion regarding his sexuality should not be asked at such a young age to label himself…it is damaging and pre-mature. Only those seeking prey will push for the means to “test” them. Parents should resist those who would do so.
Studies show that homosexuals comprise only 2% of the population but commit 33% of all child sex abuse. Hence they are 1,550% more likely to sexually abuse a child than are heterosexuals. Now you know why the sodomites want access to Boy Scouts. It’s not to teach them new knots.
Please show your data. When I was involved in the Scouts at the executive board level, the problems where always with heterosexual men who went after the kids. They were the real problem, not the homosexuals.
Glad to oblige.
Go to the Family Research Council website – frc[dot]org – and in the upper right “Search” box, type “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. The first article that comes up, by Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D., is titled “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse”. It will have the studies and data that prove the grossly disproportionate tendency of homosexuals to sexually abuse children.
Bob One, the fact that you helped create a bureaucracy for the Boy Scouts shows your bias and the folly of your efforts.
Again, Skai, I don’t know what you are talking about. When you have a Scout Council with 20,000 boys and girls in it, someone has to help organize activities, train Scout leaders, manage annual charter reviews, set up boards of review, raise the money needed to get the job done, etc. This is usually managed by a small professional staff under the direction of an Executive Board of volunteers. They are assisted by thousands of local volunteers who run the training, manage camporees, etc. Even in the largest councils, it is anything but a bureaucracy. It is lots of volunteers giving of themselves for the kids.
Bob One, any man who “goes after” the boys is a homosexual. Why do you gay deceivers continue to chant the mantra that there is such a thing as heterosexual men performing sex acts on boys?! Are you trying to reach stupid people or what?
Again, Skai, your terminology is not the same as that that I have been familiar with. An adult person who preys on young children is usually refered to as a pedophile. I am also not opposed to the term pervert.
You were a Scout Executive, that only goes to prove my point that we have been under infiltration efforts for some time.
To try to make your point, you state ” the problems where always with heterosexual men who went after the kids”!
An adult Scout Leader who prays on his Scouts is readily defined as a homosexual, thanks for proving one of my points. I know that was not your intention, but thanks anyway.
May God have mercy on your compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher, 30+ year Scouter
“studies” show? Really, which studies?
See my reply to Bob One above.
Juergensen, 1:57 PM,
Your urging him to see your above reply is most probably falling on sinfully death ears. “There will be those who will have eyes, but will not see; and ears, but will not hear”!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Common sense studies, YFC; not gay studies.
What is a “common sense study”? Would studies of a flat earth fall under that kind of study?
YFC, you really do not know if the earth is flat or otherwise … you believe it is otherwise, but you have no way of proving it.
Yes Juergensen those are the concerns of many good parents….thank you for posting those facts. When posted they give a better picture.
Crimes against homosexuals because they are homosexuals are now considered “hate” crimes in some states, but if a man rapes a series of boys, they are not charged with a “hate” crime. That is inexcusable. I, quite frankly, am tired of seeing it as a protected status.
Excellent perspective, Anne T. !!!
I will be surprised to hear even a cursory mention of this subject from the pulpit. Our priests lack the courage required to go against the Zeitgeist. Gay rights are now human rights; to deny homosexuals access to our children is a violation of their human rights. I hope that I am wrong. I live in a very gay-friendly diocese whose bishop refused even to back Prop. 8. Which explains my negativism.
I kept wondering when the hierarchy of the BSA would cave to homosexualism and its gay cabal, and what rationale they might use. Well, here it is folks: OK to admit homo scouts, NOT OK for their leaders to be practicing homos. This is LOL nonsense! Have the high mucky mucks of the BSA ever heard the term HOMO SEDUCTION? ‘Cause they’re about to find out what that means if they pass on such transparently ludicrous jabberwocky. Then, after they make their decision to allow homo scouts but NO HOMO COUNSELORS, comes part 2, and all the homo leaders and counselors that LIED about their SSA affliction and are now IN THE DOOR of the organization, the consequences will kick in. Wholesale seduction of SSA afflicted scouts by the lying liars who perpetrated the fraud! Any fool can see it coming. And, I might add, can see coming the possible multitudinous lawsuits filed by the homo scout’s parents and guardians. And rightfully so. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
That’s right Markrite, lets throw out all the HOMOS. And lets have a witch hunt to smoke out all the kids who lied about their “afflication” and are HOMOS. I don’t see where the CCC says that homosexual persons should be discriminated against and treated badly because some people don’t like them.
I don’t see where the CCC says sodomites have a right to force themselves and their lifestyle on children. Do you?
I don’t see where the CCC says religionists have a right to force themselves and their lifestyle on children. Do you?
Parents have that right and obligation. CCC 2221-2231. That excludes sodomites, of course, since they can’t be parents under God’s law.
I highly recommend that you buy yourself a CCC. A copy can be had for the price of a medium cheese pizza.
Your words are steeped in
deception and lacking understanding. Catholics hold the holy family as sacred and yes any Catholic in good solid standing with Church protects the sanctity of their children.
peter you have no right to tell parents who should be in charge of their children in certain activities or groups for kids…..you are crossing the line!
I suggest that people look for alternative groups now that are way better than these scout groups…since they are bowing down to the gay mafia, I suggest, we destroy them by not permitting our children there…..but it has to be a joined effort but you know how there are also liberal parents…God have mercy!
peter you must also be that “The Grand Inquisitor is back!” that Anony is so happily announcing and mocking about? especially on moral values and parents….you sure do it good just like TEM.
The gay activists are here folks….they keep coming back to our Catholic website….hey it’s OK just as long as we don’t get intimated into embracing their agenda’s. But expect us to respond when you are encouraging or misleading others away from the teachings of the faith. Here that Anony…we don’t need your indifference and your interference when it comes to letting dissenters know that we will not tolerate their comments in error here!
I started typing a response to some of the un-Christian comments here, but I deleted it.
It is better, more honorable, and of greater service to God’s Kingdom to categorically not reply to comments that use language inconsistent with the CCC’s directives regarding human dignity. Using terms like nig***s, ho**s, ki**s, sod*****s and the like prove, prima facie, that the writer has not yet fully received the Holy Spirit into his heart. Until God grants that grace of dignity, the best responses are gentle correction, or none at all, trusting the Holy Spirit to blow where He wills in this season of Pentecost.
With God’s help, I hereby commit myself to this course of action. I hope you, and the many other Catholics who post here, will do likewise. I trust that you will understand I may post less frequently because I cannot, in good conscience or compliance with the CCC, participate in a conversation which so fundamentally denies human dignity.
Francis, in the past, I have thought along the lines you suggest, though far less eloquently. I decided that some of the comments need to be addressed head on, and in other cases I needed to try to stand up for the essential dignity of all of God’s children. Allowing incessant assaults upon the dignity of LGBT, especially of our young people, has real life consequences: 40% of youth who are homeless are LGBT, and the rates of suicide among our LGBT youth are astronomical. If we allow our faith to be misinterpreted so as to devalue these people, then we stand by and watch while parents use false religion to kick their own kids to the curb, or at least create an environment so hostile that they only options are to leave home or to leave this life.
This is a tragedy beyond words.
If just one parent begins to love her child more, or if just one young person sees hope in my posts amidst all this darkness, then my time here is worthwhile.
You are not changing anyone’s one mind YFC
Your Fellow, you just admitted on the blog here called “Californian State Assembly Passes Transgender Laws” that you do not want to live under Canon Law. As a Catholic that says it all to me. You really do not believe in the teachings of the Church. Homosexuals and lesbians started it all when they went insane with the decadent parades and advocacy for so-called same-sex “marriages”. Many of us now are fighting mad and sick of the whole lot of you.
I should have said, “Sick of MOST of you.” Those who are really trying to live a good and chaste life and not encourage any bad behavior, decadent parades or so-called “marriages” are not included in my post.
No Anne T you are completely twisting my words to suit your own narrative. What I wrote was that I don’t want Canon law substituting for civil law, any more than I want Sharia Law to substitute for Civil Law. Please quote me correctly, and please stop assuming the worst of what I write. Frankly, to assume the worst about someone is a sin according to the CCC.
Francis, the day is coming where you will be forced to choose the homo-sex left or Christ and His Church. There is no reconciling what your side want (gay marriage, gay adoption blah, blah, blah) the teaching of the Church. Francis direct question when Faithful Catholics are persecuted, at the hands of the state whose side will you be on. That goes for PA as well
Looking back, Your Fellow, you did say you did not want to live under civil Canon Law, but as a Catholic you DO live under Canon Law or should. Just as Michael Dukakis, a Greek Orthodox, who made much of being a Greek Orthodox was supposed to live under the rules of Orthodoxy, but voted for abortion. I always admired Archbishop’s Iakavos’s (probably misspelled his name) fortitude when he called him on it when he ran for president. He flat out stated that Dukakis was NOT a member in good standard with the Orthodox Church because of his stand on abortion. I am sure he would have said the same thing if Dukakis had pushed so-called same-sex marriages back then. Too bad some of our bishops do not have the same courage.
Francis, you seem like a de facto thought policeman.
Skai, that’s what liberals are all about….they claim diversity but want conformity not the the Truth of the Church but there misguided liberalism
Skai bingo…you nibbed it, right you are on your many comments especially on May 20, 2013 at 3:21 pm.
Yes Francis, it’s been an experience reading your comments. Go, if you must, and enjoy the comfort of lukewarm Catholicism.
It can only be lukewarm here on this earth. The temperatures in Hell are horrendous!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
I agree with you, PA, in that all the homos should be thrown out of the Scouts. This is de facto what is happening, as the Boy Scouts have now ok’d homosexuals. The actual normal men and boys will part ways with the sodomite scouts; so you see, the homos have thrown themselves out. All they have now is the name Boy Scouts, but they have none of the character of what this organization was founded on. That character is packing its bags and will continue as all good things do.
On my last trip to England and Canterbury, I was told just that by a man who knew Lord Baden Powell. This man had been an ardent Scouter as was I. He even offered to let my Scouts from America that I was trying to organize for a Chartres Pilgrimage to camp free on his large yard attached to an ex Catholic Monastery. The Orange County so called Catholic Committee, under Brown, put a stop to my efforts.
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Well, here comes the totally irrelevant sand-kicking in our blogosphere eyes by the always reliable Mark from Pa. Always obfuscating the point tried to be made, in this context, the point of my post being that with the gay mafia, lying and distortion are the lingua franca of their obscene movement. They’ll say one thing to get their foot in the door, then do another when the door’s open. And that’s my prediction of what will happen if this farcicial idea of allowing homogay boy scouts to now be allowed into the Boy Scouts, but barring the door to homogay leaders and counselors into same happens. These same people will LIE about their orientation in order to GET IN THE DOOR. What part of that do you not understand, Mark / Pa? Or are you with a straight (so to speak) face trying to convince everyone that the gaymafia is so virtuous that seduction NEVER enters into their morally disfigured mindset? Sorry, for me that’s laughable. The group COURAGE and likeminded groups are the antidote to the poisonous lies spread by the gay reich and all their syncophants. Using Judeo-Christian values to RE-ORIENT gayhomos AWAY from their obsessive mental disorder that they were “born” that way, i.e., with S.S.A. THEY’RE NOT. And there’s no such thing as a GAY GENE, either. Gays may not be aware of HOW or WHY they got so sexually screwed up, But groups like COURAGE and others are making a difference in REHABILITATING them to the NORMAL heterosexual lifestyle, sans promiscuity. Wake up Mark / Pa. There is a way out of self-destructive life-styles. And the possible journey of a thousand miles STILL BEGINS with the first step. GOD BLESS EVERYONE, MARKRITE
Dear markrite: I don’t condone lying about one’s sexual orientation, but when LGBT people are excluded from a portion of society, it is understandable that they might conveniently forget to mention their sexual orientation. It is the oppression of the LGBT person that forces people into the closet, as the debate over DADT showed.
I know you love courage. But if you really understand the role of Courage, you would know that it exists to help gay people live a life of celibacy, not to change their orientation.
YFC, lying and being gay are vast orders of magnitude apart.
YFC, do you believe the Church is excluding LGBT people who openly acknowledge they engage in homosexual sexual acts and intend to continue doing so?
YFC, is the Church wrong in excluding such people?
I don’t believe the “Church” is excluding these people, but one only has to read the various commentary here on CCD to know that many in the Church wish it did.
YFC, should the Church deny Communion to a homosexual couple that have undergone a civil marriage and wish to receive communion?
The new homosexual approach…the sad, sorrowful and woeful countenance, the shock and disappointment at the crooooooelty of mean and hard-hearted, so-called Christians (eyes shimmer with untold pain, lips quiver) as they continue to steamroll over thousands of years of morality, commonsense or even sanity in their quest for ‘equality’. Canadian homosexual men are utterly shocked and hurt that they can’t donate their HIV blood and insist it is persecution that their prohibited from doing so. That they would destroy the source of blood for the whole country doesn’t enter their heads. That they’re destroying children’s organizations, churches…in fact, civilized society around the world at an alarming pace just isn’t enough and they’re not the least satisfied or even impressed. No, they’re still suffering from ‘persecution’, ‘slights’ and inequality. In other words, until they’ve brought hell on earth they won’t feel they’ve had justice. I’ve noticed this ploy used on that English fellow’s talk show…it was played on Al Kresta’s radio show today. The Orman woman that is promoting marrying her wife or husband, I’m not sure which as I had to stop listening, but they all have this shocked and repulsed attitude like we’re all so ignorant and bigoted that we won’t let them marry. (Like who’s stopping them?) Anyway, taking the ‘high ground’ of showing such ‘patience’ or in the case of Francis’ who had to leave as we were causing him to swoon with indignation because of his offense at coarse words used here…it’s really a little bit much. The lies! The audacity! Actually, I might have to take some time away myself since I’m sick to death of hearing the constant whining, lies, continual criticism and carping from this selfish, completely and utterly self-absorbed coterie of willful, insensitive and anti-Bible, anti-tradition little potentates of misery that take over every debate and never apologize or care one whit about the rest of us here. I don’t want to hear one more word about their sick and depraved lifestyles. I never used to feel that way, but to know them is to really want not to.
Your Fellow, you mentioned your “mother-in-law” on the other blog. K caught it. To whom are you “married”?
Markrite, “h0mogay boy scouts”!!! Do you realize that you are talking about real kids here? Do you realize that real kids are being hurt because of the hateful attitudes of some? You complain about people lying about being gay but others complain about people being openly gay. So either way gay people can’t win, we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. I’m not openly gay and if I met you or some of the other posters here on the street I certainly would not discuss it. It has been an education for me being involved in discussions here and I have learned a lot. I didn’t fully realize what gay people went through. I have a lot more sympathy and understanding for gay people since I have been coming here. I have learned that yes, most gay people are born that way, it is pretty much programmed in, it isn’t something that someone chooses and it isn’t a “lifestyle”. Most gay people agree with this and most other people do too, I think. However, a large percentage of people that dislike gay people are adamant that gay people “choose” their “lifestyle”. As Your Fellow Catholic said, being gay isn’t something someone has to be rehabilitated from. The Courage ministry tries to help gay people live lives of chastity (or celibacy). They also think that gay people should be involved in things such as scouting and feel it is important that they have chaste friendships. One issue that I have with the Courage ministry is that I feel that they should be more outspoken in condemning violence, prejudice and discrimination directed against gay people. In my opinion, they seem to look the other way in this regard and they seem to be sensitive towards alienating people that dislike gay people.
Mark, these people are dinosaurs. They’re just mad that society is going against them, even most young Catholics.
I regularly play poker with a group of 20 something Catholics (who regularly meet to discuss the faith in a group called Theology on Tap). Most of them despise hate-mongers like many of the people found here. They don’t like exclusionary tactics and don’t like hearing about “the gay agenda”
I suspect many of the people here would have been saying that lepers aren’t “born that way” back in the time of Christ (which, btw, is true. Leprosy is an infectious disease). Christ showed us that protecting ourselves against infectious disease does not excuse revulsion and cruelty. Christ demonstrated it is better to risk your own health than embrace the toxic attitudes that led to the rejection and vilification of lepers in his day.
I would rather suffer from SSA (which I do not, despite the lies that Skai likes to tell about me) than become like Skai and Canisius.
JonJ, what you say makes sense. I know that most young Catholics are tolerant and accepting of gay people. I find it interesting how some of the people here react to me. Ten years ago I didn’t even discuss a lot of these topics or even think much about them. I must admit that I was somewhat clueless. I didn’t really realize what gay people had to go through and the discrimination they faced. Taking part in some of these discussions here has really been an education for me. I suppose though I have gained more of an acceptance of myself. But I do think in a way that I always accepted the way that God made me even if I never really thought about it much.
Jon J, I was more liberal when I was young until I woke up to all the lying going on about what homosexuals did and would do. Many of us voted to decriminalize homosexual behavior because we thought the police had better things to do. Well, then all hell broke loose with men dying from AIDS because of their promiscuity in the bathhouses, men threatened to sodomize a minster’s son and threatened his family in S. F. because he fired an organist on a morals charge and won the lawsuit and on and on . The man was a practicing homosexual, and then the “straw that broke the camel’s back” — so-called same-sex marriage. When I first heard about such “marriages”, I though the man had been let out of an insane asylum who advocated. I could not believe anyone would even suggest such a thing and still do not. I do not know about you, but I hang out with people who think such a thing is totally disgusting, and we are legion.
Actually, among the people I associate with homosexuality is hardly ever mentioned. We just know that we all believe that marriage should be only between a man and a woman. Probably because we have already been bombarded enough with it by the media and just don’t want to hear any more about it. I also choose people who have been married for a long time and never divorced, or at least have had an annulment. As one of my friends has said, “Divorce is catching.” I find divorced people quite often are bashing the opposite sex or their ex’s all the time, and it is boring as far as I am concerned. If someone expresses a belief in so-called same-sex marriages, I would give my opinion then leave them and cross them off my list as a future close friend because I would, quite frankly, not value their opinion.
OK Anne T, I don’t often use the B word. I wouldn’t call someone a bigot for being against same sex marriage. But I would call someone a bigot who would cross a person off a friends list merely because they believe differently on the issue. I hope you’ll reconsider using this as a litmus test for friendship.
And Jon J., I would hardly call Abeca Chrstian a dinosaur. She is probably a heck of a lot younger than you are, and I doubt you will ever live as long as I have — since you are pushing the birth control pill and all, you certainly do not know much about medicine.
Abeca Christian, they just hate us because we have the guts to tell them off. Have a good day my friend.
Society went against two angels of God and they then destroyed that society totally. I’m with Abraham on that one, namely getting the hell outta Dodge.
Lepers, Jon J., did not continually engage in anything that caused their own leprosy and refuse to repent after God warned them time and time again not to do it like some people do or encourage now days. No one rejoices in some ones disease, but doctors and others do sometimes get pretty sick of telling the same people over and over again that certain behaviors are detrimental to their health and body when they refuse to change their behavior.
Mark, are the people in Courage really sensitive against speaking out against people who do not like homosexuals, or are those your codes words for the fact that they will not condone so-called same-sex marriages and such? Knowing what you have posted on here many times, it is probably the latter.
So moving that it, brings tears to my eyes! I was once a boy scout and now I’m perfect, just the rest of you!!
Should read: Just likr the rest you!
Thomas E M Anony just called you an Inquisitor ….it’s comments went like this…for you…. “The Grand Inquisitor is back!”
I am not the anonymous poster who wrote the comment but it was very obviously intended to be about kaves1. Do you know what an inquisitor is? Your comments to peter and TEM make it appear that you don’t.
I’m beginning to like Torquemada more and more.
To Thomas Edward Miles, Francis, and the rest of the possible trolls using Calcatholic to try and get across your LOL responses: GET OVER IT. Everyone who regularly posts here are very aware of your (possible) gayreich agenda. And the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ for our salvation is NEVER gonna change it’s docctrine to please your various “gay” lifestyles. Ain’t gonna happen. Hasn’t happened in over 2,000 years. And with our new Pope Frances, it’s CERTAIN not to happen. I’d recommend to you and to Mark / Pa. the remedy I’ve ALWAYS found to bring positive results. Confession, (assuming that you’re all Catholic) Holy Communion and a promise to change your (and mine) sinful lifestyles, then look for THERAPY of a Judeo-Christian nature to get yourselves (and me, if I need it) BACK ON TRACT to a lifestyle that promotes supernatural charity and virtue. Never known to fail if consistently followed, even if there’s some backtracking to be done. For in the end, we’re all gonna die and go before, in the words of Ven. Fulton J. Sheen, (paraphrasing) “the Beatific Face of Jesus Christ and / or the Miserific face of lucifer; that will be it, DONE. So what’s in YOUR future, what will it be? GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
Orthodoxy preached uncharitably. Nice job, markrite. As your m.o. implies, this is the fruit of pride, not the fruit of a genuine concern for souls. You have fallen in love with the belief that you are right. That’s not loving your neighbor, ya know . . .
peter, it is idiotic to insinuate that people are only loving when they do not believe they are right … you need to go back and retake shoe lace tying 101.
And about the pesky Church teaching about homosexual acts? Yes that one! The same one our Popes speak clearly of.
The Episcopaleans are looking for some new members.
Even Jesus Christ, St. Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Saints had a limit to their “charity” and patience, Peter. God is long suffering, but if it goes on too long, he does whack people. we have seen it in the STD epidemic.
Well, Markrite, I do go to confession but I don’t get the attitude there that I get from many of the people here. That is for sure.
PA, do you confess that you have believed the Church is wrong in its teaching that homosexual sexual acts are always immoral and that your belief, against Church teaching, that homosexual acitvity should be allowed under certain circumstances and that you promote such teaching?
Mark from PA,
I know you can’t answer kavesi’s honest question and shouldn’t, but for the sake of your eternal soul, I beg you to consider your honest answer and where it may lead you and your confessor!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
PA Kaves gave you great spiritual direction….I hope you confess those sins but I think that you must be honest and say that you refuse to repent.
Abeca Christian, it is interesting that I have never had a priest tell me that I needed to repent for being who I was. I did have a fundamentalist Christian protesting outside of our Church tell me that I needed to repent. He told me that my Rosaries and my priests wouldn’t save me, only the Bible, his interpretation of it, of course.
That is not spiritual dirction.
PA it’s not interesting…but I;m not surprised…..that is why the church is in chaos……
The Grand Inquisitor is back!
PA, you believe the Church should recognize homosexual sexual acts as something good under certain circumstances and have stated this on this website on at least two occasions. The CCC, in reference to homosexual acts says “Under no circumstances can they be approved. “ Have you ever talked with a priest on this situation in terms of publically taking this position as being sinful ?
Kaves1, I have talked to several priests about some of these issues and most of them are understanding of what I have to say. I don’t really have an issue with people in committed and monogamous relationships. Some of the posters here have mentioned this and I have respect for them. I have more respect for them than I do for people like Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the highest ranking Catholic Churchman in the United Kingdom. Cardinal O’Brien was outspoken in his condemnation of same-sex marriage. He criticized men in committed relationships. At the same time Cardinal O’Brien was sexually active with men, some of them his subordinates. It seems that he had different rules for himself than he did for his flock.
So PA you admit you have no issue with sodomy so long as its in monogamous relationship, do you think those in an gay relationship committing sodomy should be recognized by the Church as a sacrament? Should these queers present themselves for communion..? I know that the truth would finally come out
So you openly disagree with the Church on a matter of Faith & Morals and still present youself as Catholic.
Kaves, hating homosexuality and homosexual persons is not a matter of religious dogma. It is amazing how some people here seem to consider name calling some kind of a virtue.
PA answer the question do you believe that sodomy in a monogamous relationship should be approved by the Church….????
Mark from PA, homosexual sex is wrong. You know that. It is wrong if it is concealed behind piety or openly displayed without guilt. It is wrong if it is with a committed partner or if it is done with a series of strangers. The only licit use of the sexual faculties is by a married man and woman who remain open to the possibility of life from this act.
PA says ” hating homosexuality and homosexual persons is not a matter of religious dogma. It is amazing how some people here seem to consider name calling some kind of a virtue.” What does this have to do with the questions I asked you?
You find it amazing? Huh? Sodomy is wrong….that should disgust you. Hating God and His natural law is what you advocate! Shame on you…
Mark PA, why do you always change the subject. What the Cardinal did was seriously wrong, but that does not excuse your sin of encouraging so-called same-sex marriages. Someone else’s sin does not excuse my sin nor your sin. When confronted with the truth, you always point the finger at someone else.
What would PA or YFC et al say if the Church were to open the cause of Torquemada?
PA, regardless of religious reasons, how can you promote homosexual acts when such acts are so unhealthy even if you remove the promiscuity component?
Kaves1, I am not and have not been promoting any sexual acts in my comments here. You can’t find any posts of mine where I endorse any particular sex acts. I have stated several times that as a teen I was a virgin and I have written that I think young people need to concentrate on their education, enjoy their teen years and not get involved in sexual relationships. This is a better time for establishing strong friendships and growing into a healthy young adulthood.
Kaves1 and others, I think people need to understand that the Boy Scouts are not being asked to change a code of conduct. The issue is not discriminating against a boy based on his sexual orientation. The Boy Scouts want boys to be involved in healthy activities. Boys that enter are expected to be on their good behavior. This isn’t being challenged.
PA, you openly advocated marriage between monogomous homosexuals. You are advocating same sex sexual acts. There is no denying it. Many of these acts are unhealthly even if between monogoumous homosexual men.
Another LOL droll rebuttal (?) to what I posted a little earlier, from Peter, the (possible ) troll scribe, and I’m accused, sentenced and condemned, all within 5 sentences. “ORTHODOXY PREACHED UNCHARITABLY,” that’s what I’m s-o-o-o-o-o-o guilty of. Who knew? Tthanks for pointing it out to me, charitable Christian brother, and for also pointing out to all my “m.o.” Are you so familiar with it that you know it on sight? Didn’t know anyone was watching me that closely. BTW, I haven’t fallen in love with with that ……..I’m right, for I’m too masculine to “fall in love” with a concept; real men might “fall in love” with the holiness and beauty of Our Blessed Lady, not a concept. How about you? GOD BLESS ALL, MARKRITE
I can tell because you keep coming back….
This is a wonderful blog…sometimes we forget charity and must remember to discuss rather then argue…I have to bring this back to myself also…we are all God’s children, loved beyond our imagination…just think, our Creator loves us…even when steeped in mortal sin, He loves us and offers us the confessional, to remove the soiled rags from our soul’s…I love and cheris my faith, gifted to me by God…through the agency of my parent’s…I so love and miss my mother…and my sister
Anyone who posts in the media seen by the public needs to read the CCC.
Promoting your own personal opinions in violation of teachings of the Church is sinful.
Whenever you post anything that causes another to sin, it is sinful in itself. And you commit the mortal sin of SCANDAL.
Never promote heresy or schism.
There is no such thing as ‘relativism’ in the teachings of the Catholic Church on matters of Faith and Morals;
and all those who advertise themselves Catholic must adhere to the CCC.
(Relativism is the concept that points of view have no absolute truth or validity, having only relative, subjective value according to differences in perception and consideration.)
This entire thing seems strange.
Why would any boy who enjoys Scouting to run around wearing a sign and yelling: “I am a gay scout; I am a gay scout; I am a gay scout” ? ? ? ?
Hetrosexuals boy scouts have never run around wearing a sign and yelling: “I am a heterosexual scout; I am a heterosexual scout; I am a heterosexual scout”.
What’s the big thing about joining open sex to scouting for boys between ages 12 through 18?
Are they contemplating some kind of sexual badge?
What’s missing from this picture?