The following comes from a July 18 story on World News Daily.
Unaccompanied Central American children wait to be processed in a temporary shelter.
Thousands of Central American children crossing the border illegally could soon turn into asylum seekers armed with immigration lawyers provided by church groups and paid for by federal tax dollars.
WND reported Friday that Catholic Charities USA and other religious groups were working behind the scenes with the federal government to temporarily house and resettle the children in dozens of communities across the United States.
Catholic Charities is running a fundraising campaign to help finance the resettlement of the illegal aliens, WND reported. But the religious charities get the bulk of their funding not from private donors or church members putting checks into a basket. They get it from the federal government.
Alexandria, Va.-based Catholic Charities USA reported receiving $1.7 million in government grants in 2012, according to its IRS Form 990.
But one of the largest recipients of government funds to resettle immigrant children is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. The USCCB helps resettle not only unaccompanied alien children, or UACs, who enter the country illegally but also refugees fleeing persecution overseas who enter through legal channels.
The USCCB is one of nine agencies that receive hundreds of millions in tax dollars to resettle refugees and asylum seekers in the U.S. under contract with the federal government. Six of the nine contractors are religious groups, WND has learned, including the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, Episcopal Migration Ministries, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the Church World Service and World Relief Corp., which includes a plethora of evangelical groups.
The Catholic Bishops alone received $65.9 million in federal grants to care for unaccompanied alien children and refugees, according to its 2012 annual report.
By contrast, the group raised $1.4 million from its own church members while federal loans and private-sector grants made up the remainder of the $71 million spent on the resettlements that year. That means 93 percent of the USCCB’s spending on charity work with UACs and refugees was covered by the American taxpayer.
Kevin Appleby, director of USCC’s Migration and Refugee Services Office, did not respond to calls and emails from WND seeking comment….
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Thirty pieces of silver.
When you take Caesar’s Coin – the Abomination Rejoices, because like satan, you are now theirs.
Many years ago, a conservative Presentation nun told me that the Church must never accept handouts from the state. She was totally correct in her judgement. Whenever we accept anything from the state, we automatically become slaves of the state, because they then own us. The government wants as many Catholics as is possible to vote Democrat in the upcoming election, and of course most of the Hispanics in the United States will vote against the Republicans. This is another sneaky way of controlling the Catholic Church., and of increasing their demonic hold on society.
Who do you prefer the government give its grant money to?
The money should go to individuals that were born here or came here ‘legally’. The Government/Church are inviting these people to break the law and come to the US and we will take care of you. My Taxes and Church contributions should go for legal purposes. Wait until you read what Nancy P. had to say today regarding the children!!. Sorry, all these people should be returned home so we can take care of our own and our veterans who really need help. I never see the Bishops saying anything the the veterans.
I can’t remember the bishops doing anything with veterans, too. Except for the staged affairs promoting or celebrating a chaplain becoming a saint, all you’re likely to hear is how unjust wars are (especially Vietnam). Of course, where were most of these bishops during Vietnam? Not in the service, that’s for sure, and quite likely demonstrating in the streets during lunchtime in the seminary, perhaps.
It is done in the military diocese.
Is government grant money worth the loss of countless souls?
Bishops should not be financially beholding to the Obama Administration to keep or grow Catholic bureaucracies – by working with the devil who promotes the intrinsic evils of Abortion, Homosexual Marriage, Contraception, and is against our Freedom of Religion.
Let Obama clean up his own chaos that he created by not enforcing immigration laws.
When helping those in need, Jesus will only expect us to do our best, not sell our Souls.
The Federal Government should not be giving taxpayers money to anyone. Using the treat of force to take money from one person to give to another is theft!
Or it could be done by Executive Order with this president.
Legal USA citizens first!
I suggest that the American people take care of the less fortunate. But we do it willingly. TheSalvationArmy.org is a great charity.
This is so wrong. Over 100 priest in Pennsylvania alone molested kids for over 50 yrs. While the Catholic Church covered for every one of them. What is going to happen to these kids? Not to mention the fact that it’s our tax dollars paying for the sins of others. I’m contacting the WH tomorrow. Whitehouse.gov it’s best to go to contact, then send an email.
But as a Catholic priest, what would you do, if your parish was on the border– and was involved in this difficult situation, with the poor children, as well as many others?? What if they all came to your church door?? Then, what?? And also– what would you advise your American Catholic parishioners to do?? It is a difficult situation– and not just one to discuss from a philosophical or political viewpoint! What would Jesus Christ want us all to do??
Are there any parishes directly on the border are you making this up Linda Marie? Pretending does not work in the real world. Please stick to the facts.
If an illegal came, you should give them food, water, and turn them over to the local police if they are a child. You must be more careful with teens and adults, some have murdered border guards, while some others have raped and stolen.
They are all purposely breaking our laws.
Easy to see the piper to whom the USCCB kneels (which most of the member bishops forbid when accepting communion). These guys are in serious trouble here; being blinded by government money means losing all perspective. Principles are far less convincing when the belly is empty, so to speak. Instead of being assisted by their believers, the American bishops stuff their pockets with money from our Abortionist-in-Chief, while they profane the Holy Eucharist by pushing the Body of Christ through a border fence into who-knows-what filthy hands. These bishops don’t care much about that though, as they are likely following the directions of their Master, President Obama. Hiding behind children that are influenced to come to America, at their great peril, masks a darker purpose for our bishops. It seems, as suggested by Micheal Voris, and others, that the bishops are assisting to assure a future voting block to favor the Democrats, thus assuring all of us generations more judicial appointments of pro-abortion, pro-homosexual sexual rights judges and other anti-Catholic decisionmaking. The bishops do not care much for their greatly declining flocks, as long as they can get their hands on gobs of cash. Who cares about teaching the Faith, or orthodoxy at all, when, with a little work, they can greatly enrich themselves.
This is a great opportunity for the USCCB to increase the Democratic voter base by hundreds of thousands of voters! What a great opportunity to guarantee a future of uninterrupted abortions!
OBAMA, Catholics, ILLEGALS 07-15″
The USCCB / Catholic Charities / CCHD all must adhere to: “ON the SERVICE of CHARITY” in entirety – which went into effect Dec 10, 2012.
If they violate any of the requirements, report them to the Vatican as required in the Document.
They are not to be merely social services organizations.
The Church in the USA should not be effectively working for the Government.
The Government created the mess; Obama holds the purse strings; let the Obama government fix their own messes.
Catholics can do the best they can to help those truly in need without the government. God only asks that we do our best, not sell our Souls.
No wonder the USCCB can not even articulate a Voter Guide that emphasizes the INTRINSIC EVILS, because they would offend the Democratic hand that feeds them.
On one hand we say our religious freedom is being violated, and then with our other hand we are beholding to Obama for $65 MILLION.
This is a scandal.
Jesus and His Apostles never worked with or for the government.
How twisted has the Church in the USA become ?
$65 Million – This is Big Bureaucratic Business !
Now we know the answer as to why some Bishops are not working to Save Souls.
“For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” – JESUS – Lk 12:34.
The “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” # 2241 states that
“….Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to OBEY it LAWS and to ASSIST in CARRYING CIVIC BURDENS” – – –
not break immigration laws and cause civic burdens.
No wonder so many Bishop’s don’t encourage us to read the CCC.
We’d know that their money making projects would be in violation.
Orderly IMMIGRATION – yes.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION – no.
These people are not refugees. Refugees are those persecuted by their own government for religious or political reasons, or because of war. Refugees are granted asylum as soon as they prove their case.
I feel betrayed by the USCCB.
All these years they said they were against human trafficking, drug trafficking, sexual slavery, gangs, and against breaking up families.
By their support for Open Borders, they are creating what they have told us they are against.
They have made the problems worse for everyone – Americans and those from Central America.
The Mexican government is the 6th largest oil producer in the world,
What are they doing for their own people ?
The USCCB does not support open borders.
Anonymous = WRONG!
John Feeney, anon is correct. Open boarders is not a policy that the US Bishops support.
They may not support open borders in written ‘policy’ – wink, wink – but in practice, they absolutely do, YFC. A familiar MO if ever there were as actions speak louder than words.
Assisting the Obama Administration is being in bed with the devil.
CCC: ” 1759 An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention. (cf. St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. praec. 6). The end does not justify the means.”
Get our Bishops out of this BIG BUSINESS. And lets get back to living lives closer to the behavior of Jesus, His Apostles, and St. Paul.
Jesus will provide. Don’t the Bishops trust Him ?
Isn’t the ultimate true calling of the Church, – Saving Souls for eternity ? ? ? ? ?
Based upon the $$,$$$,$$$ now we see that the Social Justice mantra was merely big business.
Follow the money. Follow the money, Follow the money.
If the USCCB believed that these children needed help, why weren’t we collecting and sending money to their Countries Diocese to help them.
These children are not running from crime, because they are running to crime.
Per the FBI there are over ONE MILLION active gang members in the USA, we have sex trafficking, and drug trafficking. Let’s not stick our heads in the sand.
And let’s not make up stories about these kids, because the Obama Administration will not allow them to be interviewed. Best guesses of those who support open borders for financial gain is ignorable.
The Texas governor has called out his National Guard to help at the border, wonder if Governor Moonbeam will do the same (anyone want to take bets?)?
” Administration will not allow them to be interviewed. Best guesses of those who support open borders for financial gain is ignorable.”
The same is true of those who do it for political gain (as well as financial).
The USCCB has a yearly collection for the Church in Latin America.
Catholic Charities is neither Catholic nor charity…
No more money in the collection plate for CATHOLIC CHARITIES,
CCHD, or USCCB until they get out of the political government business.
Throw out their solicitations, and giver to others.
” The USCCB is one of nine agencies that receive HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in tax dollars to resettle refugees and asylum seekers in the U.S. under Contract with the federal government. ”
I never thought my Bishops were government contractors. Why didn’t they tell us this?
They support ILLEGAL immigration legislation., and open borders. The more ILLEGAL aliens, the more money from the Feds.
This is not being uncharitable. The Government brought the children here, the government can take care of them by using their own employees and financial resources. HHS alone has over 64,000 employees.
These children will not starve without CATHOLIC CHARITIES involvement.
Where is the ACLU, and the atheists when you need them?
I am embarrassed for the actions of my Church in the USA.
Cardinal O’Malley from Boston had the nerve to tell the press (and the Pope) that those who oppose ILLEGAL immigration are racist. I have yet to hear of any American opposing LEGAL immigration.
Cardinal O’Malley and some CA Bishops used the Mass for political reasons at the border to draw attention to ILLEGAL immigration legislation. – The very ILLEGAL immigration that lines their coffers.
I think Bishop Jamie Soto of Sacramento Diocese heads up the CCHD this year.
the underlying basis of this starts with LIBERATION THEOLOGY…..
OK everyone, lets write to our own US Senators and US Congressperson and ask them to STOP providing TAX dollars in the form of Grants or otherwise to Churches and their affiliated religious charities.
This will take the financial political motivation out of our Church.
It will also stop tax dollars from supporting only specific Faiths – which violates the US Constitution.
Ever wonder why the USCCB has so many employees, or their affiliated Charities have so many employees?
Because this is a huge business, not the Catholic Faith.
Is this what Jesus intended for His Church ?
Obama’s Executive Order and What it Means for Catholic Organizations
USCCB CHAIRMEN RESPOND TO ‘UNPRECEDENTED AND EXTREME’ EXECUTIVE ORDER
Yet the USCCB and Catholic Charities continues to take millions in Grants.
Please Jesus get your Bishops out of the political business.
Their 40 page Faithful Citizenship voting guide is so convoluted that it is hard to find the INTRINSIC EVILS, so they do not displease the politicians who feed them.
Obama actively supports and finances the promotion of the INTRINSIC EVILS of Abortion, Homosexual Marriage, and Contraception – world wide.
He wants to take away our Freedom of Religion in the USA.
“Obama’s Executive Order and the DANGER of RELIANCE on FEDERAL CONRACTS”
” So how can the Church respond? That’s easy. Stop taking federal contracts. President Obama doesn’t want help from the Catholic Church. Say it’s a deal; don’t give him any.”
The question not answered is does the USCCB, Catholic Charities, and CCHD have the moral fiber to give up so much money.
“Behind the scenes” aka secretly…. And why, might I ask, is all of this money trading hands quietly and without much public awareness? Let the Bishops get on buses with these border crossing children and escort them home to their parents. Spend the taxpayer money on setting up Skype connections so that these children can have their court hearings in their own countries. Then our Catholic Bishops will truly have some skin in the game.
It is not only the children who are crossing our borders illegally, today, I learned from Grassfire the following:
-We have learned on good authority that citizen border patrol groups are finding Muslim prayer rugs on the border. The Border Patrol has also admitted that several ‘interesting aliens’ from the Middle East have been caught carrying large amounts of cash across our WIDE OPEN borders.
So, while we focus on the children, the Trojan horses are crossing over our borders with major possibilities of doing real damage to our country. Let he who has eyes see. Let he who has ears hear. Let he who would preserve and defend this nation, act.
All ILLEGAL immigration must stop regardless of race or heritage. This is getting more and more dangerous.
Obama is not doing his job.
CUT THEM LOOSE – the USCCB and EVERY Diocese in the USA
needs to dump the CCHD (Catholic Campaign for Human Development),
and Catholic Charities,
and USCCB’s bishops’ office of Migration and Refugee Services.
No more money, no more advertising, no more support of any kind, no more office space, etc.,
Let them be completely independent after they remove the name “CATHOLIC” from their titles.
They can use government money to set up their completely independent contractor services.
Bishops need to start treating all Catholics in the USA the same, rather than continuing to show favoritism to ILLEGALS.
I was always curious why some US Bishops seemed to care more about the Souls of the illegals than the Souls US Citizens and legal immigrants in their own Diocese.
As someone else said – “follow the money, follow the money, follow the money”.
We all need to help those truly in need to the best of our God given ability independent of the Government. Where in the Bible does Jesus tell us we should partner or work for an immoral government that supports intrinsic evils.
And No more allowing the Bishops, other Clergy, or Nuns to be involved in any politics / legislation that does not conform 100% to this:
CCC: ” 2246 It is a part of the Church’s mission to pass moral judgments even in matters related to politics, whenever the fundamental rights of man or the salvation of souls requires it.
The means, the ONLY means, she may use are those which are in accord with the Gospel and the welfare of ALL men according to the diversity of times and circumstances.”
CCC: ” 898 “By reason of their special vocation it belongs to the LAITY to seek the kingdom of God by engaging in temporal affairs and directing them according to God’s will. . . . It pertains to them in a special way so to illuminate and order all temporal things with which they are closely associated that these may always be effected and grow according to Christ and maybe to the glory of the Creator and Redeemer.”
The bishops have tied their fates to this degenerate administration and the Church is already being painted with the same brush. A headline this morning “Catholic Church Turns to the Hard Left”. These bishops are political pawns. What are they doing to help the little children in Syria and Iraq? I suppose they perceive themselves as Sir Bountiful serving out goodies provided by American taxpayers but making themselves look good. It will backfire as it did with their abuse cover ups. The bishop of my diocese is a kindly, good man but has no more common sense than a day old chick!
MANY YEARS AGO, BY MY MEMORY, THE CHURCH DENIED CLERGY FROM HOLDING OFFICE. THE REASONS THAT THE CHURCH USED TO COME TO THIS CONCLUSION, I SUSPECT, MIGHT APPLY IN TAKING MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT, IN SPADES.
“I was a stranger and you welcomed me”…Jesus
“Whoever receives one such child in my Name, receives me…Jesus
Those of you who live in California have the opportunity to foster one of these blessed children.
No the children should be back home with their own parents.
IF any parents of these children are in the USA, why did they not care about their own child to meet him or her at the border?
The Obama Administration (and their supporters) do not want us to know the truth, and forbid interviews.
There is a media propaganda war going on, orchestrated by the Government, and those who want open borders, and benefit from ILLEGAL immigration.
The children are unsafe back home with their parents. You would knowingly send children back into harms way??
YFC please prove your statement. I have only heard such reports from those who want open borders on the new.
None of these children are allowed to be interviewed per the Obama Administration.
Obama has the ability to shut off aid to Countries that do not protect their own children in Central America.
He could handle this if he wanted to.
The children belong with their parents.
These countries have to take care of their own.
Anonymous, we asked for an OFFICIAL link, not the USCCB. Official means government. The USCCB told us for years that the CCHD never supported pro-abortion groups. We know that they lied, because they got caught.
When it comes to money, they can not be trusted.
Paul, if Anon had given you a government document, you would have poopooed that as being Obama pro-abort progay muslim foreign born nonsense. If he/she had given you something from the press, you’d have called it lamestream media. There is no pleasing people who aren’t interested in evidence!!!
You keep saying this, YFC. Please provide a link to any OFFICIAL government publication that backs you up.
I hope you would not want to spread untrue or misinformation, like those who want open borders and benefit financially.
Thanks Anon for the link to the USCCB report. Mac please take note: https://www.usccb.org/about/migration-policy/fact-finding-mission-reports/upload/Mission-To-Central-America-FINAL-2.pdf
YFC – unsafe at home with their parents!!! You have to be kidding. You bet I would send them back ASAP along with a few Church officials for not doing their job. I can’t think of one Bishop or AB in this country who is doing their job of staying out of politics and savings souls.
Will – if you believe that Bishops should stay out of politics, then say that to Archbishop Cordileone who gets involved in battles against same sex marriage and ENDA every chance he gets. He put out another statement just last week saying that he was in favor of discriminating against gay people’s employment, even if Church’s were exempt from the requirements! Perhaps Bishops SHOULD stay out of politics!
If you want to be a contributor to a huge scam and allow our govt to break up families and use their children as political pawns, do so. I think an effort to reunite these children to their parents instead of kidnapping them and allowing them to be abused by sexual deviants etc. is the more humane solution. Feed them, yes! Protect them, yes! But the arrogance of disregarding the sovereignty of another country’s human rights is breathtaking. As far as I’m concerned it’s outright child stealing! Don’t we try to reunite runaways with their parents? Since when do we kidnap them?
PS. Does even ONE child have a permission slip from his parent that it’s okay to travel hundreds of miles with who knows who, to who knows where, for whatever reason???? Oh, that’s right, their too poor to care about what happens to their children! Oh, naturally the kids will be better off here…we know so much better than some uneducated peasants! I’ve got to say, if I were a lawyer I’d back some of these parents and sue this corrupt administration, the bishops, the baptist church and as many towns as were involved in this travesty! Child endangerment, human trafficking, kidnapping. …shame on this criminal travesty on children and the poor!
This just in Breibart news. Heartbreaking. https://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/23/Marsha-Blackburn-Leads-Cruz-Immigration-Push-In-House-Illegal-Alien-Children-Pawns-In-Obama-s-Political-Agenda
“Your Fellow Catholic” and “others”: You are incorrect. It is overwhelming clear that the current tide is coming to America upon the misapprehension that, once inside America, they can stay. Central America is not ideal, but not Auschwitz either (notwithstanding the scheming Sen. Leehy). In fact, if the govenment of say, Honduras, was so violent, wouldn’t the Presiding clergy stand up and say something about this to the world? Wait, wait, and who is that?? Cardinal Maradiagia!! Wow, I guess he is just too busy demanding a new economic order and ways that essentially non-functioning and corrupt economies can take money from hard working places like the USA. He is also hard at work to change everything about Catholic moral ethics, when the Synod meets in October. People, we are all being played for suckers; fools for Cardinal Dolan and all the other bishops that compare illegals to Jesus, and demand that we all let them in. Of course, in doing this, these clerics are minding the direction of their Master, President Obama, who despises American freedom and wants us all to be like Sweden or under Sharia Law. Stop contributing to these people; put your money into conservative or Traditional parishes, orders, or true Catholic causes. Never, ever, give a penney to CCHD, or to other charities with which it is associated. You might as well send in a check to Harry Reid.
and what is to say they will be safe over here? Most teachers, daycare workers and anyone else who works with children must now be fingerprinted over here to keep tract of any criminal records they might have. Will that all be changed? How many of those bringing these children over here, or who are talking these children in, have had a criminal background check. I doubt any of them. Also they will most probably be put in public schools where they will be told that two men or two women misusing their bodies is a “marriage”. NO THANKS! That IS child abuse at its worse no matter what this flaky administration says.
Compassion for the poor comes from Christ himself, but what we face on the border can’t become an endless strem of folks…children or otherwise…..entereing the country illegally. We can’t just open the door, which would become a floodgate.
Obama wants to destroy our Country by overwhelming our system with Illegals who need all kinds of expensive services.
He could send more aid and train police if necessary in Central American countries.
Mexico is the 6th largest petroleum producer in the world. They must be forced to take care of their own.
Repeal NAFTA if Mexico refuses to stop illegals on our shared borders.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Sally, Obama has been deporting more Mexicans than just about any president before him. Please stop blaming him for problems he didn’t create and not giving him credit when it’s due.
YFC, are you an Obama Spokeshole? There are numerous news articles which give proof that Obama’s deportation numbers are false. Here is just one of many. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jul/15/lou-dobbs/lou-dobbs-obama-administration-manipulated-deporta/
Tracy, you didn’t read the article you cited!!! The conclusion of the politifact investigation was that Lou Dobbs claim “The Obama administration “manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration.”” is FALSE. In otherwords, there was NOT manipulation of the data.
What this article doesn’t talk about is what percentage of people attempted to come across the border and how many got through. These are important facts, don’t you think? It seems that the combination of poor economics in the US from 2007 until recently, perhaps when combined with increased fear of being caught, caused a decrease in the attempted border crossings. Trust me, immigration advocates are NOT happy with Obama’s record on immigration issues, with the exception of his institution of DACA.
YFC, did you vote for Obama?
I believe he who calls himself YFC is for all this because no background checks are required from those coming in, or from those bringing children across, and he knows that they will be put into public schools where they will be taught anti Catholic behavior.
John Feeney – Do you not know that the secret ballot is central to our notion of Democracy? Have you never been taught that it is inappropriate to ask a stranger who they voted for? My parents used to scold me for asking them.
Anne T. You have no idea what you are talking about. As usual.
What most people don’t think about is that every illegal that crosses the border is a potential liberal vote. Every illegal will at some point be given amnesty or fast-tracked to citizenship. This insures that abortion and so called same-sex marriage will always be the law of the land because they will vote the party of death every time.
Tainted money from lawless king Obama!
Always, always, follow the money trail.
It would seem that out local bishops/archbishops are willing to accept money from any source. They stand at the front door halfheartedly fighting Obama’s anti-Christian campaigns. At the same time, they stand at the back door accepting Obama’s pay-offs to them. What a crew, and they wonder why they get such little respect from the Catholics who fill the pews every weekend.
As for me, the answer is simple. If the leaders of the Catholic Church in America can take taxpayer money from Obama, then those same leaders no longer deserve to receive any contributions from me. I will continue to support my local parish but my local bishop can go pound sand.
I am sure that there are plenty of homosexuals who would like to welcome these children into their homes.
It is deceitful to take millions from the Obama administration,
and then pretend to be independent while supporting Obama’s legislation.
It is a Sacrilege and Scandal to use and advertise a Mass for political purposes on the border to get publicity, while supporting furthering illegal immigration and lining your pockets.
Now we know that some US Bishops are lining the pockets of their organizations within their own Diocese.
This is a must see. Explains the connection between Obama, the Bishops, and the illegal aliens. Unbelievable.
Thank you for this great link to Michael Voris, he is brilliant. It explains how Barack Hussein Obama has been massively funding Texas Bishops to resettle illegals for the last FOUR years. The purpose is to turn Texas Democratic and have Progressive presidents forever more. Which means Death by Supreme Court decisions.
I agree, follow the money. If Catholic Charities receives government grants they should be required to account for every dollar. And, they do. Simply read the annual report of the CC in your area and you will see where the money is going. Catholic Charities is one of many, but not too many, organizations that have the capacity to respond to these kinds of emergency situations. The emergency services in this country are divided between several organizations that come together to help. Each has its assigned duties and generally works under FEMA direction. CC is well known for its ability to take care of the poor on a transitional basis. Red Cross is good at finding housing for those who have lost their home. Other groups do different things. To a great extent, this organized approach reduces duplication of services. It puts the focus where it is needed. The grants that this article references have specific needs identified and how they should be met. They are not give-aways. And, I think it is important to keep in mind that it is not President Obama that is giving this money to charities in exchange for services, but the United States Government. Someone may not want money to go to a certain cause, but that doesn’t make it evil or part of a conspiracy. I recently read an opinion that said that as a nation we have reached the point where “my ignorance is equal to your knowledge.” That is like saying that Rush Linbaugh has as much credibility as the Pope, when we know that his purpose is to entertain us with ignorance. I’m sure there are some on the left that are just as bad.
“That is like saying that Rush Linbaugh has as much credibility as the Pope, when we know that his purpose is to entertain us with ignorance.”
Bob One, Perhaps your own ignorance is equal to your knowledge when it comes to you remembering your previous posts. Please don’t tell others that you are not political when you need to make a Saul Alinskyite dig at an entertaining man who just so happens to have many political followers.
Catherine, touche! Erase the last two sentences, please.
Catherine, you hit it out of the park
Thank you Canisius! : )
Bob One, you miss the point, we all know what you wrote. You are educating no one.
People like you (based on this and your other liberal posts) just want the Church to be beholding to the government.
The point is that we do not want our Church even remotely working for the Government.
With his executive orders, Obama runs the show. He tells his Dept Directors what he wants done, where and when, as he sees fit. He does this frequently.
Catholic Charities is a deceitful misnomer. They are not a charity. They all draw salaries with benefits plus bonuses. Same with the CCHD.
They can set themselves up independently of our Faith.
Our Bishops should not be running or supporting any kind of businesses, many of them in the USA don’t bother to do their own jobs of teaching.
In this scenario, I do SUPPORT SEPARATION of CHURCH and State.
Tax exemption, yes.
Tax dollars, no.
This is for the good of the Church.
Let’s get our Church out of working for the Government, and back to teaching the Faith and praying.
And let the Federal government do their own job. They have the money, and they have 21,292,000 of employees of various types of expertise – to do whatever they believe needs to be done.
No one will starve, etc.
Our Church does not need to be married to the Federal or State Government.
The government can clean up their own messes.
And each Diocese can help the poor to the best of their ability in accord with the Church teaching on subsidiarity.
Rush Limbaugh is more than an entertainer (although he is that). In fact, conservative commentators serve an important purpose, given the general medias’ corruption and bias. In any event, any reference to Rush is misplaced and irrelevant. The main problem we now face is the evident corruption of our bishops, who simply do not know the Catholic Faith, or refuse to defend and implement the Faith. These men generally deserve no more obedience and respect than the Pharisees or Saducees. Christ was more than a little critical of these “religious” men, even though there were undoubtedly a few devout ones.
What you just posted is true. Fortunately for Bob One’s soul, he slipped up and gave himself away. This gives us a charitable opportunity to tell Bob One to please stop serving political gods and serve Almighty God first. . Also, another poster previously commented that there is the political and then there is the theological. Many shepherds have accepted compromises and abandoned the ONE TRUE SUPERNATURAL CATHOLIC FAITH in order to embrace or co-opt with the darkened forces of the political world on earth. How lost are we all without the heavenly aid of God’s SUPERNATURAL GRACES. And yet our shepherds still accept compromises.
The main problem is as Our Lady of Akita said, ““The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be *full of those who accept compromises*, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to *leave the service of the Lord.*”
Working right along (accepting compromises) with OR for the government is *leaving the service of Our Lord.*
Bob One, did you vote for Obama too?
John Feeney asked “did you vote for Obama too?” Of course not!!!! He is too much of a supporter of abortion on demand. But, I find nothing wrong with the government granting money to relief agencies to help the children coming across the border with nowhere to go. It just so happens that the largest and best equipped agencies who do this kind of work are Catholic Charities. Having served on the board of a Catholic Charity, I can assure you that they did not receive a gift. They received a grant to do specific work in a specific time period, and that they are required by law to report how every dollar was spent. It was not a gift to Catholic Bishops or a payment for the Bishop’s support of the administration. The Baptist church’s relief organization also got a big grant. Other agencies also got grants. Not gifts, grants!
Bob one I want to apologize to you. I once assumed ill of you thinking that you voted for Obama. I thank John Feeney for asking you, so we can receive clarity and delete all forms of gossip and assumptions, I’m sorry that I once thought that you voted for Obama. I should of asked you instead.
I do not want my Church getting any government tax dollars.
I do not want my Church related to the government or doing the government’s job.
We have enough to do just to correct our own required function of teaching the Faith to the Laity,
and getting Catholic schools, colleges and universities to properly teach the Faith.
We have enough to do keeping an eye on Obama and his outlandish and sometimes illegal executive orders that impact our Faith.
We have enough to do to teach the Laity about not voting for those who support intrinsic evils, rather than being worried about federal grants.
As someone said, all Diocese and USCCB should cut “Catholic Charities” and the CCHD lose, force them to take the name “Catholic” out of their titles, and let them do whatever they want – completely independently of the Church as secular organizations.
And let the 21+ MILLION Federal employees take care of their own responsibilities.
No tax dollars to the Church; separation of Church and state when it comes to tax dollars.
We should all write our US Senators and Congressmen about this.
This is not being mean to the Church. It is forcing our Bishops to get their priorities straight.
Just curious. Do you think that Church should pay the same real estate taxes as everyone else? I don’t see that happenning, and I’m not advocating for it, but it is a subsidy of sorts, right? Should donations to the Church and investments of the Church be tax exempt as they are now?
Good comment Simon. I wish everyone felt the same way, especially bishops.
Guess what ! More proof the liberals are lying.
The Guatemalan Ambassador just told Greta Van Susteren on Fox News a few minutes ago that they want their children back (estimated to be about 25,000). These kids are NOT coming to be with parents.
The US Government needs to take out ads in Central America that we are turning them all back to their own Countries.
No more TAX DOLLARS to the Catholic Church.
Get the Church out of government business.
I am writing to my Senators and Congresswoman.
You make it sound like an invasion during War of the Worlds.
Max, one of the correct definitions of “ALIEN” is “from another Country”.
Check it out for yourself using almost any dictionary.
War of the Worlds, max? Really? Does the word alien trigger visions of outer space creatures coming to get you in your sleep? I suppose that’s what comes of reading an atheistic anti-Catholic like HGWells? To me alien means not in the right place… Out of its natural environment… Like a true bleeding heart liberal in an authentic Catholic conversation often sounds alien and out of place.
I also would like the Bishops and Catholic Church in the USA to get out of the business of taking any funds / grants from the Federal Government.
This would put Saving of Souls back on the top of the PRIORITY list where it belongs, rather than being concerned about MILLIONS of dollars and pleasing government officials.
” For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” – JESUS Lk 12:34.
“…93 percent of the USCCB’s spending on charity work … was covered by the American taxpayer.”
This is not charity, it is big business.
The Government can take care of its own business. And it should assist our neighboring Countries to the South as appropriate with aid.
The Church in the USA should take care of its own business – saving souls, and assisting those in need to the best of its own ability.
The Bishops, according to several notes on the thread, should get out of the business of helping people, especially if it involves contracts with the government, and concentrate on saving souls. I was always taught that because Christ died for the remission of my sins, I was obligated to do good works. Not as a way to get to heaven, but in thanksgiving for His actions. So, you pray, you obey the commandments, you worship a Sunday Mass, you receive the grace from the sacraments, you live a “good” life and raise your kids in the faith. When one suggest that the Bishops should stop helping people and get on with saving souls, what does that mean? If Bishops concentrated on saving souls, what would they do differently? And, what would they do about the 50,000 kids that come across our borders seeking a better life? What do we do, in a compassionate way, to take care of them? Do we let them starve? Do we make them sleep outdoors in the dirt? Do we not provide showers and toilets? Do we send them back to drug-gang infested towns where they will be beaten and or killed? What would Jesus do?
“…When one suggest that the Bishops should stop helping people and get on with saving souls, what does that mean?”
The Bishops would help the most by adhering first to their duty of state which is to properly teach the faithful. It’s a basic Ignatian rule of discernment, Bob One. That being that the Devil can and will tempt under the appearance of good. Being in it for the long haul, Satan is more than ready to give a little on one issue to gain the bigger prize. In this case, the prize is an unguarded flock, so enraptured by the seemingly righteous plug for ‘social justice’ on the border that they do not take heed of the wolf devouring the yearlings with impunity.
But mankind always believes himself meant for ‘bigger things’ so is often easily distracted by a so called bigger issues. Who then will accomplish our duty of state?
Ann Malley, Cansius and Mac,
Excellent responses to Bob One! This agenda has been in the works for some time.
Bob One, Do you remember this CCD story? See ‘Co-Opting the Immigration Agenda’. You remained silent even though I brought this topic up to you several more times on future CCD topics. You always dodged the question so I will ask it again. Bob, you are the one who likes to call yourself orthodox so I would like to ask you if this kind of “Intersectionality” gathering at a Catholic parish is considered guarding the deposit of faith?
See CCD’s topic ‘Co-opting the immigration agenda’
Posted Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:24 PM By Catherine
Pay close attention to the completely silent voices and the voices who will spend countless posts questioning everything else but *this* in your face evidence of grave disobedience. “They do not lift a finger to ease the burdens of others.” Why is this? “They also leave the difficult share of the gospel for only a few to bear.” Why is this? Yes, we do know why. Pope BenedictXVI said, “The devil can quote the Catechism better than anyone else.” This still presents a great problem for this Diocese though. The real problems lies with this very sobering thought. Do our shepherds truly believe in the existence of the devil?
Continued for Bob One from July 24, 2014 at 1:03 pm
See CCD’s topic ‘Co-opting the immigration agenda’
“On Saturday, Sept. 19, the Diocese of Orange and Immaculate Heart of Mary Church in Santa Ana will host a daylong forum that, according to an agenda published online, will include discussion of “the intersectionality between the LGBTQ and Undocumented communities.”
The forum, to be held at Immaculate Heart of Mary parish, is called the Orange County Assembly on Immigration. Among other co-sponsors, according to the online invitation, are the ACLU of Southern California; CIPC (California Immigration Policy Center), CLUE (Clergy & Laity for Economic Justice), El Centro Cultural de México en Santa Ana, OCCCO (Orange County Congregation Community Organization), the SEIU and The Center of OC. The Center of OC is also known as the Gay and Lesbian Community Services Center of Orange County.
Bob One, Do you support this kind of intersectionality agenda? Please respond.
Catherine, I don’t remember the article.I don’t know what intersectionality means.
So I can’t answer the question yet.
Jesus would not want his Church to be taking payments from government there by being co-opted by it which has already happened
You have provided no OFFICIAL information from the US GOVERNMENT that your emotional claims are true regarding the vast majority of the ILLEGALS.
The US government has the wherewithal and over 26 million employees of various talents – to fix whatever needs to be done. Including but not limited to giving appropriate aid to Central American countries in need.
No one is advocating that people starve, your emotional arguments are ridiculous and unfounded.
The government does not need the Catholic Church to provide food, showers, shelter, etc.
– – – – In fact, a few suggested that “Catholic Charities” and “CCHD” just be cut loose and become SECULAR Social Services Contractors (not using the name ‘Catholic’). This is a perfectly good idea. They could keep doing what they are doing and not lose their jobs.
The US Bishops should NOT be in business with the US Government.
The Church should teach the Faith and help those in need to the best of their OWN ability – NEVER with tax dollars.
Bob One, if Jesus ever intended for His Apostles (Bishops) to get money from any Government for charitable work, He would have said so.
If Jesus ever intended for His Apostles to work with or for a government, He would have said so.
In fact, JESUS, Himself taught separation of Church and State as follows: ” “Show me a coin. Whose likeness and inscription has it?” They said, “Caesar’s.” He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Lk 20:24-25.
If Jesus wanted to blend His Church with the Government, He would have done so.
Bishops, Priests and Nuns should not be financially tied to the Federal Government, nor take tax dollars.
Taking millions in tax dollars is not charity. It is a business venture that enlarges Church bureaucracies that have to continuously be fed.
Mike, let’s start with a basic fact: it takes millions of dollars to do comprehensive charity. Fact number two is that Catholics don’t give very much to anything. I served on the finance committee of a fairly affluent suburb parish – the kind of place where professionals make $75-200K per year and live in $800K-2MM homes. With 1200 families, I could count on two hands the number of families who gave over $1,000 per year in regular offerings. It takes a long time to count all of the $1.00 bills when we should have been counting $100 checks. I served on the board of director of a diocesan Catholic Charities. If we relied on the parishioners to fund the work of the Charities in the annual collection, there would have been no charity. The money must come from foundation grants, large estate bequest, and yes, from governments. In the metropolitan area where I live, elementary and high school is taught in nearly thirty languages. Hundreds of immigrants want to learn English and become citizens. Think of the cost of renting class rooms, hiring teachers, immigration lawyers to get them processed, job development so they can support their families while moving up the ladder, etc. Think of the cost of managing emergency housing for hundreds of families on a daily basis. Think of the cost of providing food for the hungry. A local Loaves and Fishes feeds between 600-800 people daily, and they are just one agency in the city. The needs of the people in need have become so great that a small parish can’t make much of an impact. It take a diocese/community to get results. The government is one source of this money.
Bob One, then you have just pointed out another area where the Bishops are NOT doing their teaching job again.
Jesus told each of us to help those truly in need.
True Catholic Charity has nothing to do with the government.
If this charity can not support a big bureaucracy than so be it.
Jesus will not expect any more of any of us that what we have been provided.
The Government will not let people starve in this Country. The job will get done one way or another.
Cut the CCHD and Catholic Charities loose; let them become secular organizations and they can do whatever they want with the government. No problem for anyone.
Bob One gives us at CCD a progressive viewpoint. I think we should listen to different sides of every story. Bob One has been contributing to these discussions for years.
“The Church is like Noah’s ark that was full of both clean and unclean animals. It must have had an unholy smell, and yet it was carrying eight persons to salvation. The world today is tearing up the photographs of a good society, a good family, a happy, individual personal life. But the Church is keeping the negatives. And when the moment comes when the world wants a reprint, we will have them.”
Archbishop Fulton Sheen
It is really important to pray for our shepherds. When they start cooperating with this government (who would tyrannize the church in every manner.) Why not take money from the government to provide counseling and safe haven for the women who seek to abort their babies? Why? Because it is not offered to them. That’s why.
Acts of the Apostles 6: 1-4
How indeed did the humanity survive for 1,950 years without the US Federal Government?
“Humanity” left its disfigured children to die on mountainsides. It kept Africans in slavery. It pretended women didn’t have the right to vote. It allowed dictators to rule huge parts of the earth. It allowed lawless Mafioso to run nefarious businesses all over the US and Europe. Where would you like me to stop???
YFC dramatically asks…..”Where would you like me to stop???”
First things first! …How about at the *INHUMANITY* of deceitfully pretending to be or referring to yourself as a fellow Catholic !!!
When truth is considered subjective, Catherine, anybody can call themselves whatever they’d like and be considered as ‘truthful.’ Sadly, that is much of the problem we’re facing today as folks like YFC advocate wholesale Pontius Pilatism.
Makes it a lot easier to shrug in Christ’s face and mutter, “What is truth?” before washing our hands (in His Blood) only to get on with the business of the day.
Ambiguity and false sentiment, isn’t it wonderful.
“Tracy” makes an excellent point. What you miss, “YFC” is answered by history. The genius of America is in its freedoms, including particularly the Bill of Rights, not in its perfection. Certainly the Founding Fathers made mistakes and omissions — big ones — but these were corrected overtime. Unfortunately, these corrections often came at the cost of great blood and sacrifice, but the point is that they were made: slaves are free men, for example. Your point is, well, pointless. As noted, slaves are now free, women now vote, the Mafia is pretty limited, and all of that. Of course, these successes are in America. In the world order, women often have few if any rights, homosexuals are often jailed, or worse, Christians cannot worship, or worse, and criminarl organizations often run things — the rule of law is absent. It was the constitution, not the federal bureaucracy, that gives America is vitality, even now. To answer your good question, Tracy, not very well. As Thoms Hobbs said in the “Leviathan” (1651), reflecting on the “”state of nature “. . . and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” Love that First Amendment and Courts to enforce it.
Beautifully said, St. Christopher. Thank you.
One does not stop becoming a Catholic because one supports gay civil marriage or gay adoption. Those opinions are errors but it does not take away one’s identity as a Catholic. Stop making up your own version of the Faith and condemning others for not believing in it. I have never seen you once try to explain why his positions are errors. I have and he ignored my posts so I don’t know that it would have done any good if you had tried but it would have made you at least look better. But who am I to judge?
I got the impression Tracy was being sarcastic, St Chris.
“ON the SERVICE of CHARITY” Motu Proprio effective Dec 10, 2012.
ALL Charities that purport to use the name “CATHOLIC” MUST –
“…not limit themselves merely to collecting and distributing funds, but should ….. exercise a valuable educational function within the Christian community, helping people to ….. respect and love in the spirit of the Gospel of Christ.
The Church’s charitable activity at all levels must avoid the risk of becoming just another form of organized social assistance.”
“….there is a need to ensure that they are managed in conformity with the demands of the Church’s teaching… ”
Article 1 ” § 3. In addition to observing the canonical legislation, the collective charitable initiatives to which this Motu Proprio refers are required to follow Catholic principles in their activity
and they may not accept commitments which could in any way affect the observance of those principles.”
“Art. 7. – § 1. The agencies referred to in Article 1 § 1 are required to select their personnel from among persons who share, or at least respect,
the Catholic identity of these works. ”
“Art 9 § 3. It is the duty of the diocesan Bishop and the respective parish priests to see that in this area the faithful are not led into error or misunderstanding; hence they are to prevent publicity being given through parish or diocesan structures to initiatives which,
while presenting themselves as charitable, propose choices or methods at odds with the Church’s teaching.”
“Art 10 § 3. In particular, the diocesan Bishop is to ensure that charitable agencies dependent upon him DO NOT RECEIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT from
groups or institutions that pursue ends contrary to Church’s teaching. ….”
The Catholic Church in the USA needs to immediately STOP taking any funding from the Federal Government.
The Obama Administration actively supports / finances worldwide – the INTRINSIC EVILS of Abortion, Contraception, and Homo-sexual marriage.
The Obama Administration seeks to end our freedom of Religion when Church teaching does not conform to his beliefs.
Obama wants all of us to remotely participate in the Intrinsic Evils by forcing us to pay for Intrinsic Evils through our tax dollars.
$65 MILLION is a strong temptation to: compromise our beliefs, to support Obama’s legislative initiatives, and to vote for him and his Party of Death.
“Devil get behind me”.
CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
Will the new USCCB “Voting Guide to Faithful Citizenship” prominently feature intrinsic evils, or will intrinsic evils again be shuffled off to the side – BECAUSE MONEY TALKS ?
(“The Government has the wherewithal to clean up the messes it creates. No one will starve”.)
Yes, get behind me Satan.
$63 MILLION –
” For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” – JESUS
I want our Bishops undivided attention back to teaching and saving American Souls. – Each within their own Diocese.
We have been neglected far too long.
Voris was right.
“Obama, Catholics, and Illegals 07-15”
Obama said he now wants to change the definition of REFUGEE so ILLEGAL immigrants can get immediate status. He really does intend to destroy this Country.
Republican States are being inundated with illegals to change the future voting to Democrat in States that usually vote Republican.
Governors of States are not being told when Illegal children are being sent to their State and merely arrive at their doorstep needing special services.
Local Schools are being disrupted because these children and children of illegals do not speak any English and limited school funds need to be used to give them very special attention.
Overwhelm the resources of the Federal and State Governments and you will have chaos.
According to the FBI, Central American gangs are growing in the USA with the ILLEGAL immigrant problem over the last 6 years.
Violent Crime is increasing due to ILLEGALS.
Obama is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.
Bishops and their charities (CCHD and Catholic Charities) are being “used” to aid and abet, and most of them don’t even know it.
Obama is also trying to destroy the moral fiber of this Country by very strong support both financially and with his executive orders regarding Intrinsic Evils of abortion, contraception, and homosexual marriage.
How can any decent Religious Group work with such a man, when their main job in life is to Save Souls.?
This Country is already $17.6 TRILLION dollars in debt. And many States are in the hundreds of BILLION of dollars in debt.
“Let the children come to me, and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Matthew 19:14. How can we resist feeding, clothing, schooling, etc. these children? If we don’t help them they may not ever know about the kingdom of heaven or will be lead away from it. As Christians, we must help them. We cannot let them starve, live in fear for their lives, be mistreated. Just because they come from another country doesn’t mean they are not Christ’s children. In each of those faces, we must see the face of God and act appropriately.
I would wish all progressive/democrat voters get an unaccompanied illegal alien in their own children’s classroom. These are the same illegals that will get affirmative action entry into college and lavish Scholarships to attend them as minorities, replacing children of Obama voters. These unwanted children will depress American wages for many years.
Sex trafficking will happen if we just let minors in.
Gratias, are you not of this world? Our schools are already full of undocumented immigrants searching for something better. Our cities are suffering from the amount of children forced into the sex trafficking business. Much of this is caused by our government’s operation in Central America, where we support terrible governments with money and police and military training. These children are not unwanted children. They are the children of God, as are yours, if you have any, or your friends children. They are being welcomed by churches throughout the border states who are helping them with showers, medical aid, food and clothing and other help they may need. These children will not ruin the economy of our country. If we do our job correctly, they will be healthy well educated people who will help make our nation competitive in the world and they will provide a good life for their families. And, we will still not be able to get people to pick our crops and plant the fields. Listen to God who tells us to not be afraid, who tells us to give what we have to others, who tells us to comfort the oppressed. This is a great opportunity to show the world that our people are strong and willing to help those in need.
Bob One, can ever not quote a leftist talking point…do you believe that we as a sovereign nation have a right to regulate who comes in this country?? If not why not? Because you are a leftist Bob One you fail to see that Pharoh Obama is creating a permanent Hispanic underclass forever beholden and dependent on the Democrat party, for Democrats its party first….country last…
Bob One, there are very few farms and ranches left in California. Most of the land is being paved over for housing, sports stadiums, Bart stations and I could go on and on. Our garlic farmers cannot even complete with garlic coming in from China, which is horrible stuff by the way. Mexican farmers cannot compete with our farmers, what is left of them, or China’s and those of other countries. So called “free trade”, not “fair trade”, I believe has been a disaster — for this country and for Mexico. Pretty soon there will be no crops to pick.
Also, Bob One, in our central valleys the orchards, farms and ranches have been taken over by developers, both domestic and foreign, who often raise the rent so high they drive out small businesses, even sometimes the larger American ones. California is a mess with many cities gone bankrupt, along with Detroit, Michigan.
We can feed, clothe and shelter them in their own Countries – under the guidance of their own Parents.
They have their own Diocese Bishops to teach and shepherd them in the Faith; and they seem to be doing a better job than many US Bishops.
After one generation in the USA, a majority of Central Americans leave the Faith – the USA is not a Catholic Country (practicing Catholics are a minority).
Further US Bishops should work with Central American Bishops to provide Catholic aid (not government aid) as needed.
The US Government will not let them starve, or be naked, or without any shelter.
The US Government sends some aid and possibly needs to send more, or add more strings as to how the aid can be spent.
Mexico is the 6th largest oil producer in the world.
What are you smoking Bob One?
Why are you really in favor of open borders which promotes splitting up of families, sex trafficking, and drug trafficking ?
US dollars make the cartels even stronger.
Pete, your post reads as though Christ calls us to be selfish people who only think about ourselves and our own getting ahead. Pretty sure he won’t be on your side of the fence when he comes again.
YFC, your posts smacks of an odd sort of clerical jingoism. As if Bishops in other parts of the world are inept and incapable of handling matters in their own diocese. What do you think the USCCB is? The Justice League? Perhaps with the head of the LCWR flying Wonder Woman’s invisible plane? Or maybe Nancy Pelosi?
Thank you, PETE, for being level headed, practical, and clearly Catholic in the logical application of charity and true justice.
Ann Malley, your post smacks of the cruelty and mockery with which you treat the most vulnerable in our society.
There you go again equating yourself as the victim, YFC. Look to what you said to PETE. You are no innocent, Sir, and no judge whatever of what Our Lord would find pleasing.
In wrestling it’s called the submission position. You seek to appear vulnerable by portraying yourself to be at a disadvantage, while ultimately seeking to choke out your partner. Many a good fighter is taken down by such tactics, but not in this scenario as your agenda is to win for your team, not promote that which is Catholic.
Ann Malley, you have a very fertile imagination, to put it charitably. I haven’t made myself the victim, I’ve stood up for children. Innocent children threatened with violence and told by their parents that they must flee in order to be safe. Some of us are actually concerned for others, even if it means that we pay a little higher taxes or put a little more into the collection plate. You, on the other hand, always make things personal, you accuse me of things that are not true, you read things that are not on the screen. Please stop making things up. I did not claim to be a victim! And where ever did I say I was at a disadvantage? Again, another made up accusation by our dear Ann Malley. Really, your grasp of reality seems increasingly tenuous.
Look to what you said to PETE, YFC. You have a very fertile play book when attempting to paint others as un-Catholic, uncharitable, cruel, etc, etc. You also have a tendency to brag a lot about your overwhelming charity while being highly uncharitable and FALSE in your dealings with PETE.
You who call yourself YFC, we are not buying what you are selling. We know exactly why you are pushing all this. Pete made some very good points, and you twisted like a pritzel what he said.
YFC, as one who advocates for the mortal sin of sodomy, He surely won’t be on your side.
Did I say anywhere that the US Government (which can not operate without our tax dollars) should not take care of those in need? NO
Did I say that perhaps more of our tax dollars need to be spent on aid to Central American Countries ? YES
Did I say that the Bishop should not help through sending aid working with Central American Bishops to best of our own ability? YES
You just want the Catholic Church to continue partnering with a Government that supports the intrinsic evils of Abortion, Contraception, and Homosexual Acts. And a government that wants to restrict our Freedom of Religion.
Do you understand that we all pay taxes?
Do you understand that if the USCCB / Catholic Charities / CCHD did not get $65 million from the Obama Administration, that many Catholics would see the need to give more to the USCCB ?
Instead people are wising up and giving to their local St. Vincent de Paul,
Church in Need, and Caritas International (Catholic charitable organizations which do not partner with those who support intrinsic evils – which I recommend.
Start reading or stop commenting.
Of courese, Pete, you whip out the gay card when someone disagrees with you. Surely a sign of a weak argument to follow. I don’t for one moment believe that catholics would stand up and donate money to Catholic Charities if the government stepped back. Not for one moment. Oh, maybe a 10 or 20% increase, but make up the difference? Not a chance!
I think it would be helpful if you understood that no one that is part of this discussion – no one on this thread and not the Bishops – want open boarders, as you seem to think we do. If you constantly misstate the ideological position of other people then it is easier to demonize them. So I get why you are doing that, but it is not honest. Maybe you honestly believe we want open borders, so I won’t go so far as to say that you are lieing about that, but if you know better (and now you do), then you should stop repeating the mistruth.
There are legitimate differences of opinion about what to do with these children, and how to prevent the migration in the first place. But when people assume the worst in the other person’s arguments, misstate them, and then go on to list a whole host of absurd evils that stem from them, I think we can pretty much be assured that there is more bluster in your commentary than real concern for these children, which should be our primary focus.
I think PETE is putting the children first. But his is not a Band-Aid solution meant to break the back of the United States. In other words, we shouldn’t sign on board to continue to use children as pawns for political change.
YFC writes, “…But when people assume the worst in the other person’s arguments, misstate them, and then go on to list a whole host of absurd evils that stem from them, I think we can pretty much be assured that there is more bluster in your commentary than real concern for these children, which should be our primary focus.”
Practice what you preach, YFC, for you intentionally disregarded the meaning of PETE’s post and then recast him as being on the opposite side of Jesus. That was willful misconstruing and subsequent slamming. Then you have the nerve to play the gay card victim. You did it. YFC. So predictable.
PETE, I was on the brink of warning you that you would now be accused of ‘bringing up the gay card’ by YFC. But I must say that it made me smile to see him reply so predictably.
Of course, YFC, forgets that he is the one promoting the gay card by identifying himself as gay first and everything else second. But that’s for another post.
Thanks for being logical in your promotion of true justice, long term charity, and a reality check that Catholic Bishops have no business getting cozy with this administration, except perhaps to council those wayward Catholic politicians and instruct those who are not in what the Church actually teaches.
gay gay gay gay gay. That’s all you ever talk about Ann Malley, You raise the issue every time I post. And you have trained others well to do the same.
What can I say, YFC. Hypocrisy is an issue for me. Pro-sodomite homosexual activists hopping on folks like PETE for not being on the side of Our Lord is a bit much to pass by. But if you didn’t have your gaydar on yourself, you wouldn’t get so heated about it. If you weren’t so hyper focused you wouldn’t pay any attention whatsoever to what others write about it.
But you slam others and then seemingly take offense when they call you out on a very vocal, anti-Catholic, pro-homosexual sex agenda. You make yourself out to be obsessed with gay, gay, gay. Get over it already. You are a man, not sexual inclinations. Geesh.
So go ahead and think that’s your ace-in-the-hole ‘win’ card. But news flash – it’s boring beyond the pale. And not Catholic.
But I must be really upsetting you. That ‘I’ve trained others well to do the same” is over the paranoid charts.
Dear Ann Malley: Once again, I say gay gay, gay gay gay.
You have no concept of what the Church means, except when it separates the gays from the anti-gays.
But “social justice” justifies everything, right? Right?
At least the “preferential option for the poor” justifies whatever one wishes in the Brave New Catholic World.
“Preferential option for the poor” even includes partnering with the Devil..
Not get behind me Satan;
but lets work together Satan.
Just because the Obama Administration loves, supports, and finances the INTRINSIC EVILS of Abortion, Contraception, and Homosexual Acts throughout the world – – doesn’t mean that we can not be good business associates.
What is lack of religious freedom among friends?
What does it matter that approx. 1 MILLION innocent human beings are aborted each year in the USA, and the US government is forcing poor countries to adopt abortion or forfeit aid?
What does it matter that the Obama Administration wants to force everyone to accept Sodomy – and lose their jobs if they don’t?
Other than feeding their own big bureaucracies the USCCB will take money from Satan himself. And $65 MILLION is nothing to sneeze at, and they all want more money.
Why doesn’t the USCCB just throw the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” out the window and write their own? Then they wouldn’t have to be concerned about intrinsic evils at all, or any evil for that matter.
CCC: 1759 “An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention” (cf. St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. praec. 6).
The end does not justify the means. “
The people of God certainly seem to have plenty to say about how the American taxpayer’s money is being funneled through the UCCSB’s channels. No votes by elected representatives. More and more, this country seems to be run by fiat rather than by democratic input.