In my senior year of high school, I was taking fourth-year Latin and third-year French; in the latter course, Sister Maria Gemma offered us a proposal: If we completed the whole textbook before semester’s end, she would give us a treat (which she didn’t identify). We took the bait. The “treat” was spending the last two or three weeks of high school French reading Le Petit Prince (The Little Prince) by Antoine de St. Exupéry.
For those unfamiliar with the novella, let this very brief (and very inadequate) summary suffice (or whet one’s appetite). A little prince goes on an inter-galactic journey in search of a friend. That work became one of the most transformative literary experiences of my life.
On one of the planets visited by the Little Prince, he meets a king – megalomaniacal to the core. He endeavors to impress his little visitor with his power, declaring that every thing and every person in his kingdom renders him absolute obedience. The little fellow is skeptical, to say the least, causing the nutty king to assert that even the sun obeys him:
“You shall have your sunset. I shall command it. But I shall wait, according to my science of government, until conditions are favorable.” “And when will that be?” inquired the Little Prince. “Well, well!” replied the king, first consulting a large calendar. “Well, well! That will be around…around… that will be tonight around seven-forty! And you’ll see how well I am obeyed.”
The king based his claim on an interesting premise:
“One must command from each what each can perform,” the king went on. “Authority is based first of all upon reason. If you command your subjects to jump in the ocean, there will be a revolution. I am entitled to command obedience because my orders are reasonable.”
This story came to mind in the aftermath of Pope Francis’ Traditionis Custodes, the follow-up document of Archbishop Arthur Roche, and – most especially – the ultra-draconian edict of Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago. What do all these three ecclesiastics have in common? They have made demands, assuming that they will be obeyed because they are aimed at “conservative” or “traditional” Catholics who, by their very nature, are given to obey their superiors in the Church.
I then recalled an Irish witticism: “The willing horse gets flogged the most.”
Where am I going with all this?
Yes, the prelates in question have made a presumption, based on the theological convictions of their intended audience. That is, that “conservatives” obey. However, “conservatives” are not ahistorical; they have witnessed for more than half a century that “liberals” have never obeyed any liturgical authority, and have done so with impunity. Actually, more to the point, “liberal” disobedience and disregard for liturgical norms most often resulted, not only in no punishment, but in having their disobedience enshrined in law!
Let but a few examples suffice.
In spite of the fact that not a word in Vatican II discusses the reception of Holy Communion in the hand, the Low Countries, France and Germany introduced the new way (a “new way” resurrected at the Protestant Reformation), contra legem. Pope Paul VI then polled the bishops of the world on whether that method ought to be permitted. The worldwide episcopate replied with a resounding “No!” In an effort to avoid a schism, the Pope agreed to permit it in countries where the illicit practice had been introduced. Numerous other countries (where Communion in the hand had not been in vogue) petitioned the Holy See; all those petitions were viewed favorably. In the United States, the illicit mode of distribution and reception was spreading; the topic had brought to the floor of our episcopal conference on several occasions, each time defeated. Finally, the topic surfaced for debate and vote during the presidency of Cardinal Joseph Bernardin; it failed yet again, causing Bernardin to resort – illicitly – to absentee ballots, with the result of passage by one vote. Disobedience rewarded.
At roughly the same time, a push occurred for the reception of Holy Communion in both species on Sundays, which was not permitted. The Holy See had repeatedly forbidden the practice because of the unwieldy nature of it, as well as the concomitant almost inevitable recourse to extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion to carry it out. Not only did reception under both forms continue, but dozens of bishops mandated it for their dioceses. Rome blinked. Disobedience rewarded.
Throughout the entire Judaeo-Christian Tradition, a female had never served at the altar. That fact did not stop innovators from enlisting girls and women to join the ranks of boys and men. Some bishops attempted to enforce the ban; some winked; not a few encouraged female service at the altar; and, amazingly, some even mandated it. Rome constantly repeated the norm, to no avail. Eventually, Rome validated the use of female altar servers. Disobedience rewarded.
Pope Paul VI, in Immensae Caritatis, opened the door for the non-ordained to assist in the distribution of Holy Communion in very narrowly defined circumstances. These assistants were to be called “extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.” The U. S. Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy determined that such nomenclature sounded like these people ought to be used only in “extraordinary” situations (which was, of course, the point). So, they changed the title to “special” ministers. Pope John Paul II referred to abuse of the permission for extraordinary ministers “reprehensible”; Redemptionis Sacramentum decreed that such ministers were to be phased out of Masses and not to be introduced where they did not yet exist. Hardly a parish in the country does not have “extraordinary” ministers in grand supply, so that more Catholics receive Holy Communion from a lay person than from a cleric on any given Sunday. Disobedience rewarded.
From time immemorial, Jews and Christians alike forbade cremation, except in times of plague. During the so-called “Enlightenment,” cremation was used as a means of mocking the notion of the resurrection of the body. In 1973, the Church permitted cremation, if no such denial of bodily resurrection were operative (with the further caveat that the ashes had to be buried). However, the intact body had to be present for the Mass of Christian Burial. More often than not, ashes in an urn replaced a casket in the center aisle of a church. Once more, Rome bowed to the counter-practice; ashes can occupy the place of honor. Disobedience rewarded.
Cardinal Cupich has forbidden ad orientem celebrations of Holy Mass and has intimidated one of his priests with threats of suspension for daring to question his diktat. But no bishop has the authority to forbid what universal law not only permits but actually presumes (the rubrics assume the priest is facing east, hence, the directive to “turn toward the people” to offer greetings or blessings). When authority figures resort to bullying, it is the clearest sign that they know they are constructing their edifice on sand.
We have lived through decades of liturgical abuses, with precious little effort on the part of bishops (or Rome, frankly) to stem the tide. Indeed, one of the principal reasons the usus antiquior has gained such an audience is precisely because weary Catholics have sought safe haven in that liturgical expression. An archbishop of my acquaintance called in a priest renowned for his flagrant disregard for the rubrics of the Sacred Liturgy. He cajoled the priest to mend his ways. The priest smiled at him condescendingly. The archbishop asked him if he intended to comply. “I can’t,” came the swift response. “Would you like me to suspend you a divinis?” “You do what you gotta do, and I’ll do what I gotta do,” replied the renegade cleric. What did the archbishop do in the end? Nothing!
So, what makes Pope Francis, Archbishop Roche, and Cardinal Cupich think that their current policies will be obeyed, given our long history of disobedience being rewarded? Because their observation of human behavior leads them to conclude that “willing horses” will indeed accept “flogging” in perpetuity. But suppose those “willing horses” recall a canonical maxim, namely, that “custom is the best interpreter of law” – which, in this context, means that disobedience is generally rewarded? Or suppose, more, they have finally learned that the power-crazed king of our novella was correct: Dictates ought always to be “reasonable”? Would it be a vain hope that ignoring unreasonable demands might give way to the reward of having one’s reasonable aspirations become law? Or, what about another canonical maxim: “I have no obligation to obey what you have no right to command”?
The Little Prince ends his visit to the king’s planet with this comment: “Grown-ups are so strange.
The above comes from a Jan. 27 posting with Catholic World Report.
It’s become apparent, as if it hadn’t already, the New Mass was introduced because it represents a New Church. The timeless Mass in Latin is for all too many prelates and priests, a symbol of a Faith they have lost or never had.
This is heresy.
There is one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
There were changes in the Mass such as permission to pray in the vernacular, adding an Old Testament reading, responses from the assembly rather than just the acolyte, praying out loud rather than silently.
It was not a new Mass. It is the Sacrifice of Calvary re-presented.
People who do not really understand the Mass make a lot of small things.
I think the Trads are in schism.
I interpreted what was said in the first post as the newer mass was introduced by SOME not ALL because of evil intentions, and that very well might be true, and would not be heresy to say.
The TLM should not be celebrated in the Vatican II church. Get over it. You want to make a schismatic fake church, go ahead. If you aren’t with Peter, you aren’t with Jesus.
“The TLM should not be celebrated in the Vatican II church” You hit the nail on the head, its the church of Vatican 2 not the Church founded by Jesus Christ. It has created its own liturgy soon to be followed by false doctrine you can stand with Simon Magnus I will stand with Christ…
This article is giving people an excuse to disobey: “well, the lefties have been disobeying for decades, and they’re being rewarded, so why should the Church expect people like me who are on the other side to obey? I might as well just disobey too. I am no willing horse.” Wrong attitude people. Such attitudes do not make for saints. If you do disobey, and I am addressing the folks from the former “Ecclesia Dei” communities like the beloved FSSP and the beloved Institute and their fan-base: if you do disobey you are no better than the lefties. You will share in their just “reward” in the end. There is no blessing in disobedience.
I agree this could cause the fall of the weak of faith.
Disobedience is what caused Satan to fall.
Disobedience is what caused Adam and Eve to fall.
Do not disobey.
If Cardinal Cupich is wrong on anything, it will get sorted out.
You are not going to hell for taking Communion in the hand. You can go to hell for causing scandal.
“If Cardinal Cupich is wrong on anything, it will get sorted out.” By whom, may I ask?
A person who has deep faith in God; a person who has a correct and proper understanding of the mystery of the Church as the Bride of Christ, and therefore will not abandon her; a person who does not view the Church as a mere political entity that can be manipulated and utilized for one’s political ends; a person who knows and believes that there’s the Last Judgement, when all things in the end are sorted out; such a person would not have asked the question that “Dan” had just asked.
In other words, Jon, a person like yourself?
God will sort it out. Actually, if you just have faith and hope and charity, you will see things you did not see before.
If you see someone who needs prayer, pray for them.
Schism is here the Church will be purified of blasphemous cabaret shows pretending to the Holy Mass. Just recently 180 priests came out as homosexuals in Germany and we get silence from Rome. Can you imagine how swiftly they would have been dealt with if they demanded the TLM?
Writing as someone who doesn’t like cabarets pretending to be the Holy Mass (whatever that means) I daresay that “bohemond” is wrong. The only thing that a schism by the beloved FSSP, the beloved Institute, and the other Ecclesia Dei communities will achieve is their following the way of the beloved SSPX: with their Masses becoming illicit and unlawful thereby making the salvation of those who go to their apostolates at risk. This is not an insignificant matter, people. Think well upon it.
modernist like jon would state the mass witnessed by thousands of saints is now illegal . Hate to break it to you jon but men a lot smarter than you know that the mass is not illegal or illicit
A devout Catholic should be mindful that the priest offering the Mass at which he/she is attending has received the proper faculties and permission from the bishop of the territory in which the Mass is to be celebrated. This is because the Church is a juridical body, people, with laws and regulations. Parishes listed in the diocesan website are a sure bet that the Masses celebrated in there are licit. There are such things as illicit/illegal Masses, “bohemond.” An example are the majority of the Masses of the beloved SSPX who have no canonical/legal ministry in the Church apart from what has been provided by the Pope; another example are the Masses held in public by priests who have received no faculties from the bishop of the territory in which said Masses are celebrated. If you’re concerned about properly receiving God’s graces at Mass, be mindful of the legality/liceity of the Mass.
By the way “bohemond” I am most certain that the vast majority of the saints of the Church, if not all of them, attended legal/licit Masses, whether the Mass of John XXIII or of Paul VI.
If you think that jon is a modernist, then you really don’t understand the heresy of modernism. And it is hard to understand. It takes a lot of research, unless you have encountered a true modernist. Then you know. Although some of them don’t seem to know but that is also a part of it.
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis.html
As for the schism, I think you are waiting for a train wreck that is never going to happen. People leave the Church every day for various reasons. If they go off and make their own version of the Catholic Church (so it has to be a member of the clergy) then they are schismatics. There are over 200 of them in the US alone.
The Church goes on and will go on until His Return.
Sorry to correct but it was 125 employees of the Catholic Church in Germany-some were priests-don’t have number of that yet
Not sure why Cal Catholic is giving voice to the justification of disobedience, particularly when the problem is with a prelate in a diocese thousands of miles away from California. One member of the priesthood on the east coast writing an article about his/her problem with Cardinal Cupich is pointless at best and sinful at worst.
Flogs? Really?
Going through the history of how things became as they are is interesting but it changes nothing.
However it happened, the US Bishops received permission from the Vatican to distribute communion in the hand.
No one is doing anything wrong by doing this.
It is not disobeying.
Those who want to receive kneeling and on the tongue can do so.
Not pointless at all.
Because of his Office in the Church and his prominence on the national scene, what he does and says has great influence on the whole Body of the Church.
His prominence on the national scene is from those who hate him giving him headlines.
“…, particularly when the problem is with a prelate in a diocese thousands of miles away from California.,,,” The actions of a prelate, if he is wrong on anything, need to be scrutinized. The general drift of most of these posts is that bringing such aspects of a prelate’s actions to light constitutes disobedience and is gravely sinful. I think otherwise; shining light on sin is rather a moral obligation. Of course, what constitute sin when it comes to prelates is the point of controversy. In the case of C. McCarrick, his rehabilitation and silence about his criminal activities constitute sinful actions which needed the spotlight, especially as McCarrick brokered the disastrous accord with the tyrant Xi Jinping. C Cupich handling of Fr Kalchik’s burning of the LGBT+ banner which was prominently displayed in the sanctuary by the previous pastor is an action which deserved the spotlight. Putting the heel on priests desiring to say Mass ad orientem, while in violation of the spirit of Vatican II (and some would argue the letter), is a different matter. Let other prelates, if they are of a different persuasion and have courage and lots of it, air those differences privately with C. Cupich.
“Dan” is among those who doesn’t really get it. “Dan,” let me help you out here: it is not the “bringing up of aspects of a prelate’s action” that constitutes disobedience. The author of this article never made that point. You made up that point in order to yet again bring up McCarrick (the right’s favorite whipping boy whenever they’ve lost an argument). Rather, disobedience to “Traditionis custodes” is the point here.
Sorry Jon, but I cannot recognize my post in your reply. We must endeavor to improve our communication.
WOW. Do I now have to point out to people what they themselves have written? “Dan” wrote very plainly that “The general drift of most of these posts is that bringing such aspects of a prelate’s actions to light constitutes disobedience and is gravely sinful.” “Dan,” nobody made that point except you. Then you proceeded to bring up McCarrick. In other words, you created a “straw man”. The implication is that you didn’t “get it.”
Dan “gets it”, Jon. What was done at St. Sabrina’s was not only heretical, but in some cases apostasy. Let me list a few things. Pfleger wearing a “peace” symbol instead of a cross. A Pachamama boat used for a chalice with probably invalid and illicit hosts strewn on the altar and floor when some man hugs Pfleger during the mass. A Kawanza celebration, which has nothing to do with Catholicism, celebrated during the mass, besides Pfleger’s phony wannabe accent. The only man I felt sorry for was the one who tried to pick the “hosts” off the floor.
And the very fact that you, Jon, do not say something about these desecrations says something very bad about you. There is such a thing as a sin of silence.
Anne TE, the difference between me and you is that I don’t make it a habit to view or even dwell upon things that I know are unholy, especially about things I can do nothing about. You might want to try doing the same thing, Anne TE. It’ll give you a lot of peace. Try it.
Jon, I have dealt with similar things at a local level. When one Catholic church accepts serious missuses of the mass, it soon spills over into nearby Catholic churches. I left one Catholic church for another one that did not “mess with the mass” and with priests who followed the rubrics and taught faithful Catholic teaching in all areas. Soon there were newcomers trying to change that. Luckily, it was kept at bay, as most in the latter church went there because they felt the same way I did and did not want heterodox priests.
The spilled host incident was in June not at the Christmas Mass.
It was an accident. It can happen at any Mass, even a TLM.
It is St. Sabina not Sabrina.
Father Plager picked the hosts off the floor.
Correction: St. Sabina, and a younger black man picked the hosts off the floor in the video I saw. Fr. Pfleger (Plager) might have picked up some. If he had not allowed “missing with the Mass”, and had had a worthy chalice for the Lord, it is doubtful this “accident” would have happened as heavier chalices do not tip so easily. Please do not tell me they have no money for a worthy chalice. If they can put on such a production, they have the money. Fr. Tolton would not have put up with this, neither would Cardinal Arinze and Sarah.
I’ve said this before and I will say it again: as bad and sacrilegious as the liturgies are at St. Sabina equally abhorrent is the use of the beautiful Mass of Pope St. John XXIII in order to divide the Church. And this divisiveness is being committed by many in the former “Ecclesia Dei” communities like the beloved FSSP and Institute of Christ the King. I say, the damage they’re doing is more widespread and urgent because these communities have apostolate worldwide: thereby the damage they’re inflicting on the unity of the Church is more global. Whereas there is only one Fr. Pfleger and there is only one St. Sabina. Serious indeed are the liturgical abuses at St. Sabina, but it’s localized there, whereas the damage being done by the beloved FSSP and Institute is more far reaching. Yet I have not heard Anne TE condemn the divisiveness of these communities which “says something very bad about her. There is such a thing as a sin of silence.”
The Church is so divided that I have no idea who is the real pope. Pope Francis contradicts the teachings of past popes, including Pope Benedict. Bishop Rene Gracida and others, including cardinals, have signed a Dubia asking Pope Francis to clarify statements they say he made that are considered heretical. They received no answer. Other Bishops and cardinals have corrected statements he made without naming him as the source. If they do not know who is pope, how to you expect me to know?
Anne TE, these men know who the Pope is, and you had better too.
Anne TE, you know full well who the Pope is. You can always google it.
The Church is not divided. Just as Christ is not divided. .
There are members of the Church who are not accepting of everything about the Church.
The Pope has not committed heresy, nor was he accused of it.
Jon, you say that Cardinal Cupich is too far away to worry about what he allows in his churches. Well, I know for a fact that many seminarians who were sent to him will be most llikely sent back to California when they are ordained. When St. Patrick’s Seminary was cleaned up here from some of its heterodoxy by Archbishop Cordileone, a bishop here sent his seminarians all the way to Cupich instead of using St. Patrick’s. It was very costly for his diocese, and a whole lot of Catholics were not happy about it.
I have said nothing of the kind, “Anne TE.” Don’t put words in my mouth.
You are right, Jon. I do need to apologize for what I wrote in my first line on Feb. 3 at 7:08 pm as it seems Dan was quoting someone else in his post, and I thought it was you. Replying to anyone is all so confusing on these websites as many times we cannot reply directly to a person but at the end of a row of posts. By then we have forgotten who said what. One more reason I do not get on Twitter, Facebook or any of that other stuff (and that’s putting it politely)
Priests don’t wear a cross over their chasuble when they say Mass.
Nor do they wear “peace” symbols. So what’s up with Fr. Plfeger (Plager)?
It is Pflager.
I do not know Fr. Pflager. Nor have I read the book or watched the documentary.
I do not think what he is wearing is a peace symbol so I do not know.
You don’t seem to be the same Anne T. that used to comment here.
I am the very same Anne TE who has been commenting here since around 2007. I Started out as Anne T, but changed it to Anne TE because someone else was using Anne T on another website. I go all the way back to when J.L. Sillisen, who changed his name to JLS, and Fr. Mitch were posting, and Christopher Z was running this website, and near the end of St. John Paul II’s rule. It is just that my eyes have been open to a lot of the corruption going on in the Church by keeping up with all the Church news.
Thank you for your answer. Please don’t let “news” lead you to sin.
Much of this “news” is gossip.
It is put on the internet to disturb faithful Catholics.
The best thing to do is to pray for conversion, for sanctification. Pray in reparation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.
Do not spread the evil.
Father Pflager has been controversial for a long time.
Like he said during the Christmas Mass, it is OK if people won’t worship there as long as they are worshipping somewhere.
Dan, do you know the sins of the tongue?
Who appointed you to scrutinize anyone?
That is what the Pharisees did to Jesus.
Sins of the tongue can be grave.
Does this priest’s writing ever refer to God or Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ is the head of the Church.
Do you not notice the lie of the whole writing?
None of those documents were written to traditional Catholics, with an expectation that they would be obeyed? They are written to bishops, who have some freedom in the matter and to priests, who are bound to obey. (There is also the lie about what C. Cupich actually ordered.)
Pope Francis is the head of the Church. He also called for reform of all liturgical abuse.
You have said before that you do not attend the TLM. So TC does not represent a loss of something that is important to you.
You hold something of more value than obedience, which is very dangerous spiritually.
I know people who’s highest value is making others happy and not upsetting people. Is that the issue for you?
Sorry Zeph, I am well aware of what C. Cupich actually ordered and which he was then ready to deny. I think the priest raises a prophetic voice that men like C. Cupich need to hear. How he frames the liturgical landscape of the last 50+ years is correct, IMO. The hypocritical double standard needs to be exposed for what it is by men (clerics) brave enough to do it. But you are right: this issue is not about TC. It is about reverence in the NO and removing the priest as the center of attention where that is necessary and returning the focus on Christ (again, where that is necessary). Ad orientem has an immediate impact upon the laity on what the Mass is all about; I believe that is why C. Sarah called for a return to it years ago before being silenced by Pope Francis. The holy cardinal knew something that has escaped C. Cupich et al. If I were a priest in Chicago I would have no choice but to obey the Cardinal, so spare me your judgement and pseudo-psychology. Tedious.
So if you came into the Church in 1978 and you do not attend the TLM, how many Masses have you attended where the priest prayed ad orientem?
Zeph, that is a very good question and I am glad you asked it. I wrote my post from actual experience as you surmised. It was perhaps 20 years ago when I was invited to play viola at UCLA at a service. The presider said the Mass ad orientem and I was deeply moved how my focus was on Christ because the presider’s focus was there. Not that this cannot be true at the standard Mass but the symbolism there was so powerful for me as to be breathtaking. But now Zeph, the sad part: this was a Lutheran Chapel, not Catholic. But you can imagine my exhilaration when Cardinal Sarah called for all Masses after advent to be performed ad orientem. The holy cardinal had it right, I thought. The rest, of course, is history. So the answer to your question is 0 Catholic, 1 Lutheran, if you would be disposed to call their service a Mass. But my strong disposition does not depend on the validity of Lutheran orders but the spiritual beauty of ad orientem.
Thank you for your answer and your witness. I see then why this is an issue for you.
Prophecy does not come mixed with lies.
You understand that the priest faces Christ in either position, right?
You understand the Christ is in the baptized, right?
However, Christ is truly and really present in the tabernacle, which in some Catholic churches is at the center of the sanctuary behind the altar. Christ is indeed present in the baptized through the Holy Spirit, but Christ’s Real Presence is in His Body in the tabernacle, therefore it is fitting for the priest to face East leading the rest of the Body of Christ in prayer to Him.
Christ is also in the person of the priest and in the Word.
There is no direction that is not facing God because God is everywhere.
Ad orientem is facing east-the direction from which the Lord is to come again.
If Christ is to come from a particular place or direction on earth, that direction would be relative. What is east for some is west for others. Or north. Or south.
Ok, so what’s the point? Well, the point is that while ad orientem/facing east is wonderful poetry, it doesn’t really reflect any actual position in three dimensions. So to force people to face an actual position in 3 dimensions is wonderful poetry but shouldn’t be such a ridiculous cause for division in the Church.
Churches in Rome with baldachins always faced the people. If it’s good enough for Saint Peter’s it ought to be good enough for us.
Though God is indeed omnipresent, however when you enter a Catholic Church, Anonymous, God is most definitely, physically, concretely, really present in the tabernacle. Because of that alone, the focus of a worshipper is towards the tabernacle naturally. There is no use arguing otherwise; because the more you do so the more you’re sounding like the sad percentage of people who don’t really believe in the Eucharist as the Real Presence. Ad orientem is not merely about “facing east” literally as not all churches are built facing east..
Yes, the focus of a worshiper should be towards the tabernacle, and the tabernacle in which the Blessed Eucharist is reserved should be placed in a distinguished location in the church. One could argue that the removal of tabernacles from the main altars to side altars, out of sight, is contrary to the spirit of Canon Law and has contributed to the number of Catholics who do not believe in the Real Presence. If we believe that this is the Living God residing in the tabernacle, then we must not put Him to the side (“They have taken away my Lord and I do not know where they have laid Him”, M. Magdalene), but place Him on the high altar as the heart and cornerstone of our Church.
Well, I actually gave Jon a thumbs up on that one (today, Feb. 3 at 4:32 pm) since he is soooo right on that one..
Every sentence in my post was catechetical, not argumentative.
And Matthew 24:27 is the verse that the belief that Christ will come from the east is based on.
For just as lightning comes from the east and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
This is a good Catechesis from Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI:
https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/audiences/2012/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20121003.html
I can think of a lot worse things that clergy have done than celebrating the TLM.
The Cardinal is straining at gnats, while swallowing camels.
Matthew 23:24
He has done nothing wrong here.
If he did wrong sometime else, that should be addressed.
My point is, to use a colloquialism, that he is majoring on the minors.
Why speak publicly about how it’s wrong to preside at Mass using the traditional orientation to the East, but not speak out publicly against the “blessing” of “gay couples,” (such blessings being banned by the Vatican as well as Scripture and Tradition)?
You can read what the Cardinal said yourself. It’s a case of the “studied ambiguity,” about which Pope-emeritus Benedict warned us:
https://www.archchicago.org/en/statement/-/article/2021/03/15/statement-of-cardinal-blase-j-cupich-archbishop-of-chicago-on-same-sex-unions
Why else would the LGBTQ+ lobby and Elton John cheer the Cardinal’s statements (or lack thereof) on sexual sin?
Please provide the link where he “spoke out publicly about how it is wrong to preside at Mass using the traditional orientation to the East.”
Sure, although part of his instructions regarding the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, Cardinal Cupich prohibits the celebration of the Ordinary Form/Novus Ordo Mass ad orientem/to the (liturgical) East. Last month, he wrote:
“Mass is also ordinarily to be celebrated ‘versus populum,’ unless permission is granted otherwise by the archbishop.” And, he has denied priests requests to celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass in that manner, unlike other bishops I know of. It’s linked here:
https://www.chicagocatholic.com/chicagoland/-/article/2022/01/05/archdiocese-sets-policy-for-implementing-traditionis-custodes-
When he publicly says every priest needs his permission and denies them permission every time, that means he’s saying it’s wrong for them to celebrate any Mass, of either Form, ad orientem. Try finding any such Mass in the Archdiocese. You won’t.
If you like dissenting Jesuits, here’s their “take” on it, though they seem happy the ban includes the Ordinary Form of the Mass as well:
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2021/12/27/archdiocese-chicago-latin-mass-242125
Now, will you answer my question, an answer to your question about what he did wrong?
When has the Cardinal publicly spoken against the “blessing” of “gay couples,” (such blessings being banned by the Vatican as well as Scripture and Tradition)? Please provide the link.
It is always better just to stick to the truth. He has never publicly said that it is wrong to celebrate Mass ad orientem.
I also feel like you are being disingenuous with the blessing of gay couples.
The Church does not bless gay couples. It just doesn’t.
So the Vatican issues a statement saying gay couples cannot be blessed.
Cardinal Cupich issues a statement saying there is nothing new in this statement, meaning this is how it is and how it has always been.
He does show compassion realizing that some people will be upset by it.
That is not wrong.
He has done nothing wrong.
I still can’t find Kwanzaa in the Mass so if you have a time stamp for that I would appreciate it.
Here is from their website:
In a country ravaged with gun and gang violence in our schools, domestic violence in our homes, and war abroad, a return to community and peace is needed now more than ever. Churches, synagogues, mosques, schools, families, and people of all racial and cultural backgrounds should adopt the Nguzo Saba as a way of life in order for peace to be a reality in a violent world.
Umoja (Unity) – To strive for and to maintain unity in the family, community, nation, and race.
Kujichagulia (Self-Determination) – To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves, and speak for
ourselves.
Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility) – To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers’
and sisters’ problems our problems, and to solve them together.
Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics) – To build and maintain our own stores, shops, and other businesses and to
profit from them together.
Nia (Purpose) – To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to
restore our people to their traditional greatness.
Kuumba (Creativity) – To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community
more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
Imani (Faith) – To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders, and the
righteousness and victory of our struggle.
I cannot find the site now, but in the video I saw a younger woman take part in repeating some of what you posted above at one of the masses at St. Sabina. If people want to use that philosophy on their own, they are free to do so, but it should not be included in the words of the liturgy (mass). We should not bring philosophies from other organizations into the wording of our masses, including the philosophy of the Twelve Step Programs. It might be acceptable in a sermon to mention in passing that others use them but not to change the rubrics of the mass..
I think that video was removed from the Internet.