The following is an excerpt from the California Catholic Conference of Bishops:
During the three days of the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress, many of our readers stopped by the booth to talk about the Catholic Legislative Network. Many more joined us online for a series of Facebook Live broadcasts on Saturday.
Kicking off the sessions, which you can now view on our YouTube Channel, was an interview with California Catholic Conference executive director Ned Dolejsi. Subscribers submitted questions, such as how a faithful person can talk about abortion in an increasingly secularized, anti-religion environment.
Another rather interesting question was the perception that the California Catholic Conference supports only “progressive Democratic” proposals. Mr. Dolejsi delved into the difference between ideological positioning, which is the nature of politics, compared to the theological perspective of a faith community.
[CalCatholic editor’s note] The question is asked at minute 4:50 in video below; some of the audio is difficult to understand. Dolejsi argued that the question stemmed from an ideological perspective instead a theological perspective, and said the bishops’ work is not rooted in “ideology.” Instead, “we live our faith in the reality…of California”.
I think I need to leave this website. One of my relatives pointed out how liberal it is. I always thought it was kind of putting things up for people to criticize, but even if that is the reason, a reader still drinks from the poisoned well. I learned with the pro-transgender article that I can get misled by it. I’m the kind of person who believes what they read, I guess. I know my thinking on gays has changed because of exposure to gay ideas on this website. I have to go to Catholic websites to remind myself what the truth is.
I appreciate the website allowing anyone to post comments. I don’t think you are liberal but I need to find something else that doesn’t undermine my Catholic faith. I’ll miss you though.
Are you being sarcastic? Or are you being serious but think you are in the combox of a different website?
Anon, everything is relative, isn’t it? I stick with this web site because I want to know what the truly conservative arm of the Church is saying and thinking. Are there more conservative sites? Of course, but all of them are not orthodox. This site is well known for being (compared to popular culture) very LGBTQetc., and very anti-abortion, both in line with Church teachings, however. Its not good to only listen to or read sites with which you agree. I truly dislike the commentary on Fox News evening shows, but I watch them to know what their propaganda is so that I can compare it to the propaganda of MSNBC. We are so divided that we owe it to ourselves to listen to both sides of any issue.
Hey Bob One, do not deceive yourself that you are immune from propaganda. You mentioned in a previous post that your womenfolk were all in for the “Women’s March”, and that you didn’t know anyone who disagreed with it/them. Shockingly awful!
In truth, there is no “conservative arm of the Church”, there is just orthodox and non-orthodox. Joshua 24:15, “as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
No Bob One, everything is NOT relative, there is Objective Truth which is Christ and His Church. Your side has been warring against the Truth since it was founded. We will always be divided until one side is either converted or we are conquered, there is no compromise with Evil, though the Bishops have been doing this for years .
Posting ‘anonymously’ the rest of the readers her have no way to research Your Background & Comments – so as to judge what you consider ‘liberal’ about the site
However, given the prevalence of Paid Homosex Trolls attacking the Church and this website, I would have to wonder if this is a ‘wolf in sheeps clothing’ – simply trying to drive Non-Leftists Away??
The ObamAcorn / Soros / Putini scams have used Paired Paid Trolls to disrupt many forums, whereby they post nonsense in response to nonsense and seek to simply create discord & confusion, the better to cause conflict and move in to take over
Sooo. ‘anonymous’ Please Do Explain Yourself (and if you dare your Name and Connection to the Church) as CCD is one of the more…
Interesting that he didn’t provide any proof that would prove his point. That is, what would be positions energetically promoted by the CCC that would be anathema to the Democrats or favored by the Republicans? Audio quality was poor but I certainly didn’t hear him expound anything in the realms of abortion or school choice, for example.
Precisely said, Father. It would seem to me that the servant of the Servants of Servants would be humble enough to speak the rationale of his position instead of dismissing the question as stemming from “ideology”. He seems to imply that those who speak this “ideology” do not include himself, and that these people do not share a “theological perspective” with him. Does he also imply that those who engage in “ideology” are not those who share the same faith as him?
Ah, “the reality of California.” Why not, “the reality of Rome?”
In simple fact, these men, the bishops and their priests, have lost their faith. They insist — while mouthing the most confusing and meaningless gibberish possible — that taking political positions on immigration, the economy, race, whatever, is needed, not in “preaching” anything about sin, salvation, and damnation. Too bad that we all die and will be judged.
One wonders what Christ will ask these feckless, cowardly men. Time to clean house, instead of securing sinecures for them.
Re Ned Dolejsi: See regarding his long history of ‘progressive (dis)service’ to the Church:
https://cal-catholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/California_Catholic_Conference_-_a_history_6_Parts.pdf
“Part 3 – a layman takes over” February 26, 2013.
Continue “Part 4–Blurred Vision” March 5, 2013 and
“Part 5–Lay-run Initiatives” March 19, 2013.
There’s much more. Sad to read how it went down, but no surprise.
I suspect the main problem with these elites lies in the fact that they have replaced their religion with politics…. their politics is now their religion. Whenever that happens, you see the most authoritarian, mindless beasts let loose on the world. It is essentially anti-Christian.
Supporting Democrats with progressive proposals who also support abortion is supporting the killing of unborn babies.
Joel Fargo, yes and no. We can stipulate that abortion is horrible and a sin. Does that mean that a person who believes that women should be able to decide to have an abortion or not, but supports other beneficial proposals should be totally condemned, rather than just for their abortion stand? Church teaching is pretty clear: if you vote for a person because they are pro-abortion, you commit a sin. But, if you vote for a person in spite of their pro-abortion stand, because they have other good ideas, you don’t sin. Is it all one or the other? Black or white? Don’t we have to look for the gray as well?
Bottle of sewage with a drop of wine.
Bottle of wine with a drop of sewage.
From which bottle will you pour yourself a glass to drink?
So let’s go with Bob One’s logic:
We can stipulate that murdering Jews is horrible and a sin. Does that mean that a person who believes that individuals should be able to decide to murder Jews or not, but supports other beneficial proposals should be totally condemned, rather than just for their Jew murdering stand? Church teaching is pretty clear: if you vote for a person because they are pro-murdering of Jews, you commit a sin. But, if you vote for a person in spite of their pro-murdering of Jews stand, because they have other good ideas, you don’t sin. Is it all one or the other? Black or white? Don’t we have to look for the gray as well?
Being against abortion is basic to being a Catholic. If a child molester had good ideas on other issues would you still vote for them. How about a wife beater or a drug pusher? Why do you give an out for those who support abortion. Catholics can disagree on how to help the poor and other social justice issues.
Where did you find that in the Cathecism -that voting for pro-aborts because “they have other good ideas” is not a sin? And, yes it is all pretty much black and white, right and wrong, serving God or serving Mammon. You cannot serve both. There are no gray areas, except where those who seek to sow confusion paint them. Like you try constantly. But you are very transparent. You cannot fool us.
“Don’t we have to look for the gray as well?:” compromise be your name I will never vote for a Democrat or anyone for that matter who explicitly supports the murder of the unborn
It is still cooperating with evil to vote for a pro-choice candidate.
https://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
The politicization of certain Catholic faith communities is obvious, notwithstanding their denial.
They are fallen creatures, with partisan and ideological sentiments, and the Church is being used to promote ideological and partisan policies.
The facade of a theological perspective is just that – a deceptive covering of ideology.
Precisely said, Jim. It would not surprise me that this kind of phony labeling is employed by the very people who promote a very duplicitous public posture.
Wanna bet his salary is six figures?
Cardinal Dolan wrote a recent piece about how Democrats have more or less abandoned those who not only “identify” as Catholics, but who even believe what the Catholic Church teaches. This of course would not be what the California Bishops think. The split in the Church shows no signs of narrowing.