On July 10, Cal Catholic reported that Catholic Charities of California got the largest HHS grant in the state to sign people up for Obamacare, $999,956.
The following comes from an Oct. 7 story in the Washington Post.
Fliers and tablet computers in hand, a small team of outreach workers from a local nonprofit health clinic blanketed a shopping strip east of Los Angeles, spreading the word about the state’s expanding health insurance landscape under Obamacare.
Stopping passersby on the sidewalk as they ducked in and out of the row of discount stores and easy-credit furniture shops at the Valley Mall, the workers assured them that the changes would put health insurance within the reach of more Californians. The mostly Latino shoppers seemed intrigued, but they also were skeptical. They worried about the penalties imposed on those without insurance. They worried about the cost of policies. And they did not know where and how to sign up.
“It is interesting, but I’m just not sure about it,” Raymond Pinedo, 48, an unemployed construction worker, said after a canvasser tapped his information into her computer to determine which programs might suit him. “How much would I have to pay?”
Bringing people up to speed on the impending changes from the health-care overhaul is critical not only to California, home to 15 percent of the nation’s uninsured, but also to the success or failure of the Affordable Care Act itself.
Under the law, Medicaid is set to cover a broader share of the poor. And Covered California, the insurance marketplace that began enrollment amid intense interest and some technical glitches last week, will offer subsidized coverage for low- and middle-income people in January.
No place has done more to embrace the health-care law than California. In stark contrast to the 26 states that have chosen not to expand Medicaid, excluding millions of poor people from the law’s potential benefits, California is among those extending free health insurance to families whose incomes are as much as $26,951 for a family of three.
Officials here got a head start on the Medicaid expansion by enrolling hundreds of thousands of eligible people into county-run health programs. Many of those enrollees will be transferred to the state’s Medicaid program in January.
California was the first state to construct a health insurance exchange, which includes a broad menu of insurance choices with comprehensive offerings. Last week’s launch of the exchange is being trumpeted with the help of $94 million in outreach money.
“California decided early on to go all in,” said Larry Levitt, senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation. “There has been lots and lots of investment, and a lot of smart people have really been working hard on this. It really set up a best-test-case scenario.”
But if California is making a huge effort to implement the law, it also faces challenges unique to a state with its breathtaking diversity and large pockets of poverty. More than 7 million Californians do not have health insurance, and a large number of them do not speak English as a first language. Nearly a quarter of state residents live in poverty.
In addition, the law itself is complex, with a wide range of purchase options and documents needed for applicants to qualify for insurance subsidies.
“It is a complicated and complex set of information for people to absorb,” said Kandis Driscoll, work group director for the nonprofit Insure the Uninsured Project, Santa Monica. “It was so intangible for so long. Many people heard this was coming, but they did not see themselves as being part of it until now.”
The nationwide launch of the health-care exchanges marked a seminal moment for the health law, thrusting the long-running debate about its merits into the lives of individuals.
Interest in California’s exchange has been high, even though many people have questions, according to state officials. More than a half-million unique visitors perused Covered California’s Web site on its first day of operation. It was a far cry from the 5 million Web site hits officials mistakenly touted at first, but they still claimed it as a victory. Another 19,000 people called in to inquire about the exchange.
The exchanges are online marketplaces where people can compare policies side by side and buy health insurance. The sites also allow applicants to determine whether they qualify for government subsidies. Open enrollment started Oct. 1 and runs through March 31. Coverage begins in January, when the law requires almost all Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty to the government. The penalty starts at $95 in 2014 but increases to at least $695 by 2016.
Covered California officials would not say how many people applied to buy health care through the site, saying they would release those numbers monthly beginning in November….
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As I have written before, Catholic Charities is NEITHER Catholic, nor is it charitable. Just try going to a ‘Catholic’ hospital without health insurance. Even if you are a priest in good standing, or a religious, you will probably be told to get lost. If the hospital does treat you, you will be forced to pay a bill, or they will have a collection agency come after you. Yes, it is the Catholics who elected Obama, and are responsible for Obamacare. The Catholic Church has very few good shepherds, and that is the main reason California, as well as the rest of the United States, has sold her soul to Satan. It seems the only thing Catholic Charities is interested in is spreading the anti-Catholic principles of the Democratic party, getting help for illegal aliens, and spreading welfare among the low information voters.Simply put, Catholic Charities is the left wing of the democrat party.
Father Karl, that is not true. The services that each Catholic Charities performs depends on what diocese they are in. Some have summer programs for at-risk youth; others have homes for elderly poor or help the poor find housing. They are nationally assigned to help with clean up care after natural or man-made disasters. They feed hungry people; some offer marriage or individual counseling services; some distribute toiletries or other things that food stamps won’t cover to the poor. Some run meals on wheels types of programs to get food to the homebound; some have food banks. I volunteered with Red Cross. Their charter is very strict on what they can and cannot do. The director told me that Catholic Charities was their go-to place to get help for those who needed help that the Red Cross could not provide. She told me that Catholic Charities never said no to helping anyone.
” She told me that Catholic Charities never said no to helping anyone.” = You have just proved Father Karl’s point. Leftist groups are part of the *anyone*.
k, I also thought it was extremely odd when a while back you suddenly surfaced to defend the Girl Scouts of America who have reported ties to Planned Parenthood. The Girl Scouts also have had ties to the leftist activist group Media Matters.
New York Times
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
Media Matters, the liberal activist group that wages a rhetorical war against Fox News Channel and others in the conservative press, will announce on Wednesday the receipt of a $1 million donation from the philanthropist George Soros.
It appears once again that your main concern is to silence those who get to the heart of the matter. Another concern seems to be the fear of losing $$$ and the maintaining of useful idiots who will unknowingly contribute to leftist groups.
Catherine, this is exactly what I was talking about you being prejudiced. Leftist groups? Really? George Soros? C’mon. Catholic Charities is part of the Catholic Church. You are suspicious of your own Church because you are so afraid of “leftist groups”? Catherine, fear of losing money? HUH? useful idiots to contribute to leftist groups? So do you thing the Catholic Church is a leftist group?
K: Catholic Charities is compromised to the hilt, having taken federal loot for years. I recall with total clarity that following Obama’s election, our local CC delegation went to Washington to kiss the ring of their messiah, Barack Hussein Obama, and had their picture taken with their hero. I have not donated a thin dime to CC ever since. Father Karl is absolutely right; CC is neither Catholic nor very Charitable.
Catholic Charities organizations do take federal, state and local grant money. No one has to donate to Catholic Charities. I assure you that pilgrimages to Washington are not an universal trait of Catholic Charities organizations and staff and volunteers. Compromised? I do think the sign up for health care is kinda weird considering the bishops were against it. Grants are issued for specific things, like housing grants. I used to be like you, where I felt that Catholic Charities should run solely on donations from Catholics and not take government funds but that is not how big charity operates these days. Maybe soon, though.
With all due respect Fr. Karl, but you don’t know what the heck you are talking about. Catholic Charities is all about being Catholic and being charitable. The work that it does throughout the country in individual chapters is amazing. In the case mentioned in this article, it received a grant of money to help it spread the word about the new health plan that is now available for people who coult not previously afford health care. Everyone must now have health insurance, and if they can’t afford it, they will get financial help. Helping to get the word out cannot be considered anti-catholic. Now, people will have health insurance, they will not be denied goverage for previous conditions, they will get preventative health care so they don’t have to rely on the emergency room, they will be able to go see a doctor when they are sick without having to worry about the costs. You and your ilk, frankly, are the ones that are anti-catholic. You don’t want people to have health insurance (which must be a mortal sin to begin with), you don’t want Catholic Charities to help people in need (which must be a mortal sin in itself), you don’t want people to get the first and last month’s rent covered so they can have a decent home for their families(that too must be a sin). Pleoase, come out from under your rock and see the world for what it is and see people who are in serious need of help, and then help them and support the work of the church’s eliomosinary agencies. Please support the Catholics who want to lhelp others.
Bob One, you’re a dreamer on the health care issue. There’s a reason most people don’t have health insurance. Young people are looking at the health exchanges and opting out…as usual. They figure because they are not sick, so they don’t need (or want) to buy health insurance. And now, thanks to the Affordable Care Act, young peoples’ premiums just went way up. In fact, Millennials don’t want to pay for health care insurance, because they see it as subsidizing old, sick people. Nice. And all that preventative care? Who’s going to provide it? There are not enough MDs, NPs, or PAs to go around. So what good is health insurance if you don’t have access. Soon you will have to wait 6 months to get a doctor’s appointment, and wait 4 hours in his office. That’s the kind of poor planning one comes to expect from government. And we have Catholic voters to thank for this mess. Truly I believe the Affordable Care Act is designed to fail, and when it does, the Federal government will take over the whole thing. Then you can add rationing to the long waits. It’s coming.
You and Ann have been drinking too much of the far right’s cool-aid. What is really different about the Affordable Care Act is that requires that all citizens participate. If all citizens don’t participate, even if they are young and don’t think they need insurance, then it will not be as affordable as it should be. This is a case where we have to behave as if we were on nation made up of one people. The system that we have now, where the rich and the employed have coverage and the poor don’t, is just not working for anyone. Other nations provide outstanding health care for their citizens. The U.S. does not provide outstanding health care for it’s citizens. We only provide it for those who can afford it. How un-Catholic is that? We, as a nation can afford the plan. We can train more doctors and nurses and other medical technicians. We can let the government bargain the price of medicine, which is now against the law. We can design different delivery systems than we have today. Why can’t we have urgent care clinics all over our cities and in rural areas that deliver inexpensive care to patients so that we keep them out of emergency rooms which are very costly. Why don’t we set up more doctor groups so that each one of them isn’t charging whatever they want for their services.
Bob One once again spouts liberal stupidity. Hey Bob One 100,00 people in New Jersey lost their private health care coverage due to this monster of a law. I know people who are now being reduce to part time workers directly because of Obamacare. But to people like you Bob One all that matters is the good intentions of liberals, and that’s it. Soon we will see less doctors and nurses why because this law will make no economic sense for them to be in business. Then again the entire aim of this law is to have governmental control the Health care system so it can control more of our lives. It is my true hope that eventually the entire government collapses from the debt and the unfunded liabilities it has run up…I saw let it fall, then we start over and progressive policies are made illegal to implement …Smash Government
You may want to try some of that right wing Kool Aid, Bob. It’s a marvelous antidote to the dream of idealism that is all about the … We can… or We should… or They should…Wouldn’t it be nice.
Heck yes, it would be ‘nice’, but life is not a Beach Boy’s song. It needs to be paid for and lived through for real. Bills do need to get paid. Bigger revenues usually equate to bigger bills. And harsh realities are just that HARSH. In the past, Catholic Charities used to address these issues while remaining Catholic.
As for quality, I suggest you ask folks in these other countries that supposedly provide such delightful health care what they really think about it. I have relatives in New Zealand and have had the same in Ireland, England, and in all parts of Asia. Nasty health care in other countries, Bob. Wanting to fly back to America, Bob. Flying back to the States for good care, Bob.
And yes, it cost money for them to fly back to the states, but it was for good reason. And not just right wing ‘buzz’ as you may believe. Here’s an informative and rather entertaining article for you to ponder:
https://www.wnd.com/2010/11/230493/
I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Thank you Father Karl and PETE.
POPE CALLS OUT CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR PROMOTING ABORTION, CONTRACEPTION
By Dr. Susan berry
5 Dec 2012
In what some Catholics are calling a “surprise move,” Pope Benedict XVI issued an apostolic letter directing Catholic charities that they must act in complete compliance with Catholic teachings.
The Pope’s letter was released following his expression of deep concern in recent years at the secularization and openly anti-Catholic trends that have manifested themselves within lay-funded Catholic charitable organizations that have been officially recognized by the Church.
In his six-page letter released in November, the pontiff instructed bishops to improve their supervision of local charities to ensure that the work performed by these organizations is consistent with Church teaching. Pope Benedict observed that it is the duty of the diocesan bishops and parish priests to safeguard that, in charitable service, the faithful “are not led into error or misunderstanding.”
According to Father Shenan Boquet, president of Human Life International, there has been a dramatic increase in charitable services to the poor becoming integrated with practices that are inconsistent with Church teaching.
“Emergency shelter somehow requires legalized abortion, food comes with condoms and incredible pressure to reduce birth rates, economic assistance requires adoption of a radical sexual and political agenda,” said Boquet. “More and more the message to the poor and suffering from the secular development industry is ‘we’ll help you, but you need to stop having children now.”
http://www.breitbart.com/…/Pope-Benedict-Catholic-Charities-
Once again, get your information from official Catholic sources not from media who like to spin things.
https://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/motu_proprio/documents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20121111_caritas_en.html
Once again an ‘Anonymous’ poster seeks to undermine the fullness of the reality of what is occurring. Namely that so called Catholic Charities are including poison (birth control, abortion, etc) as part of their ‘caring’ encounter with the world’s poor.
Or do you believe that it is Christ-like to encourage the poor to commit acts of mortal sin?
Put a name to your voice so others can keep track of your real message…. unless, perhaps, your message is just to deride others and keep things confusing.
Catholic Charities does not work with the world’s poor, only in the US. It is a sin to encourage anyone to commit mortal sin.
Taking grants from the government for programs that support taxpayer paid abortion, contraception, and voluntary sterilization – are not good “CATHOLIC” groups, but merely an extension of the government.
No Bob One I will not I believe in brutal self reliance. and I will not allow liberals like you to take more of what I earn and give it to some irresponsible idiot who cant get off his but to get a job… No more no way no how…not another penny FED UP LIBERALS and their social justice larceny
Father Karl, why would you expect free medical care, from a Catholic hospital, or any other hospital, just because you are a priest?
If you are a priest in good standing, you get a salary, medical insurance, and you don’t have children to raise, nor a mortgage to pay.
Too, what does having to pay YOUR hospital bills have to do with a discussion about “Catholic Charities,” which is a whole separate entity?
Bill – The priests I know get paid so little and work so hard that the least the Church can do is pay 100% of their health plan. If for no other reason than they arn’t getting any younger and we need them healthy because we arn’t ordaining new priests in the numbers we need to replace them!
Fr. Karl,
You always hit the nail on the head, so to speak. Catholics are destroying the Church and our country. I sometimes feel like I’m in a canoe going upstream without an oar. Please keep up your comments. It is inspiring to hear from a “real priest/shepherd”.
Peggy,
Pray for Fr. Karl. Because he has taken such morally Catholic stands, he is a priest under persecution from politicians in Crossiers and Mitres!
May God have mercy on an amoral America!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Persecuted? I hope not but if you were a bishop, what do you with a priest who hates the Catholic Church?
“…hates the Catholic Church?” Pretty strong accusation, Anonymous, from a person who seemingly hates his own name or even the small amount of effort needed to adopt a pseudonym.
Try not hating on yourself first. That way you can have a better measure with which to love your neighbor.
I was criticized for the name I came up with-so I do not put a name in. The website comes up with Anonymous. He said that the Catholic Church is the main reason that California and the US sold their soul to Satan. That sounds like he hates the Catholic Church unless he thinks that is a good thing, which I don’t think he does.
https://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/08/catch-22-for-catholic-hospitals-under-obamacare/
Whatever Diocese the various “Catholic Charities” is located must be reported to the appropriate Diocese Bishop. Send a link to the article, and a link to “On Catholic Charity”.
The Diocese Bishop has the responsibility for ALL the various Catholic Charities operating within his Diocese. The Diocese Bishop can forbid them from using the name “Catholic” if they do not comply with Church teaching.
On December 10, 2012 the Apostolic Letter issued Motu Proprio called “ON THE SERVICE OF CHARITY” went into effect. https://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/motu_proprio/documents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20121111_caritas_en.html
– – – If the Diocese Bishop does not do his job as stated in the Motu Proprio, it states “Art. 15. – § 1. The Pontifical Council Cor Unum has the task of promoting the application of this legislation and ensuring that it is applied at all levels…..”.
– – – It also states “In carrying out their charitable activity, therefore, the various Catholic organizations should not limit themselves merely to collecting and distributing funds, but should show special concern for individuals in need and exercise a valuable educational function within the Christian community, helping people to appreciate the importance of sharing, respect and love in the spirit of the Gospel of Christ. The Church’s charitable activity at all levels must avoid the risk of becoming just another form of organized social assistance.”
ALL Catholic Charities must not just be an arm of the Federal Government or the Obama Administration. Grants from the government to do the government’s job is not appropriate.
Obamacare forces all taxpayers to pay for abortion, abortifacient drugs, voluntary sterilization, contractives.
PETE,
Are you serious? In most cases the diocesan “bishop” is the greater part of the problem! In the case of the few “good” bishops, they are too afraid of the other bishops to take a stand, so much for “collegiality”!
May God have mercy on an amoral America!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Once while traveling together, the good late Archbishop Lawrence T. Khai then of the Archdiocese of Thare Non-Seng, Thailand asked me how many American Bishops he could trust. The honest answer I gave him was NOT VERY HIGH!
May God have mercy on an amoral America!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
You can only blame the lack of leadership in the Catholic Church. It used to be that Catholic Charities can only call themselves Catholic if they follow the church teachings. But many have sold their souls to evil to get government handouts. I can only hope and pray that our new Pope will take action to make the changes that need to be made in the Church. God help us all..
respectlife,
We are all praying for that!
May God have mercy on an amoral America!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
The fact that medicaid is involved should give people pause if they want to leave anything to their kids. Medicaid grabs your estate for anything the state thinks you owe, including monthly fees.
Just another reason Catholic Charities does not get any donations from me.
You can’t serve two masters.
I just went to the local St. Vincent de Paul Store, and as usual, as soon as the staff sees a priest, the rude treatment begins. Not only today have I received scorn, but in other dioceses as well. Yes, they do some good, but then, Hitler made the highways, and Mussolini had the trains run on time.
Dear Father Karl, I am sorry you believe the workers at the St. Vincent de Paul store treat you rudely — this have never been my experience.
I buy our rectory furniture from them, and also such items as clothing, and they are always very kind to me and the other customers.
Our parish also takes up a second collection for our parish St. Vincent de Paul Chapter, and these parish volunteers help many people with many dire needs. When you compare the St. Vincent de Paul Society to the Nazis I am very sad to read this and cannot understand why you write this.
Fr. Karl, I too have received repeated rude treatment from some of the volunteer staff at another Catholic run thrift store. I have learned to avoid going there certain days of the week so I can shop in peace. I happen to be white and I notice that most of the shoppers there, as well as the staff, are Spanish speaking. I have interpreted the mistreatment as these women possibly thinking that a “white woman” is “rich” and therefore shouldn’t be getting the same deals as the “poor” hispanic”. Now of course I could be wrong, but, I can’t help but wonder that your mistreatment has more to do with you being white than with you being a priest.
Tracy, I got similar treatment at a Salvation Army thrift shop when I was in my twenties. I had one good outfit, all the rest were my house clothes for cleaning, and my husband was not making very much. I went down to the local Salvation Army store to get an ironing board. When I went through the lot, I saw a nice one and asked the man outside how much it was. He said $5. I said I wanted it, so he took it inside and told the cashier the price. I then overheard the cashier say to another store worker, “He should have charged her more.” They were all white, but I think they were judging me because I had on my one good outfit, and the cross I had on, if I had on a cross, was one without a corpus, so they did not know my religion. From then on, I knew “wear your rags” if you want to get a fair price. I still have the ironing board, though, and it is at least 30 years old. My husband had to wire it a little bit, but it is much stronger and better made than any I could get on the market now.
Actually, I miscalculated, and the ironing board is much older than that, but I will spare you the details. I am lucky the newer covers fit the old board. You can tell that my mother and grandmother taught me to take care of my things. Most of my things are a lot newer, though, but an ironing board is not something in which I want to invest money as it is hidden away most of the time.
Anne T. thank you for sharing your experience at the thrift store as well as your life style choices. I was also raised to take care of my belongings as well as to keep and use them for as long as possible as long as they are useful. Upgrading something just for the sake of style is not in my “genes”. This actually used to be a value in America. I would say that most “liberals” of today, (especially in California), do not realize that this is still a value of white conservatives in our society.
By the way, I have not worn nice clothes when I go to the thrift store and I still get treated by some of the staff as an outsider.
Tracy, actually, I rarely buy clothing at second hand stores as my sizes of clothing and shoes are hard to find, even at such stores as Macys. I usually buy clothes on sale from other good stores and wear it until it becomes my cleaning apparel. Ha! ha! (We are not called “conservative” for nothing. We do conserve. Some more laughs.) I do give good items and clothing, sometimes still with the price tags on, to such stores, though. I have seen some beautiful things in such shops. One time there was a lovely, round crocheted table cloth that was in such good shape it would have made a fine gift for someone who could use it. I have a friend who says every time she gives something nice away, she finds something just as nice in her local thrift shop.
Fr. Karl – We have a SVDP clothing barrel in our store. The deli I cater out of donates food which the vollunteers make into fresh sandwiches. They also make ziplock “packs” with sealed tunas and crackers, milk and juice cartons as well as Purell, spoons, napkins and for the ladies, tampons. All of this goes directly into the hands of street people who really, really need it. Isn’t this what we’re supposed to be doing. Pope Francis tells us it is.
Yes, Father, and Hitler also had those lovely little children’s groups. He was so concerned about the Youth.
I have elderly German friends who were FORCED to be part of these groups. Their first hand accounts are terrifying – mostly because they so closely mirror the health and ‘wellness’, socialist, we WILL solve the ‘problems’, eliminate the weak via state medicine mentality that is prevalent today.
My friends sad question, “Why would anyone want to ruin such a beautiful country like America?” Same reason there are those who choose willfully to attempt to destroy the Catholic Church and what it means to actually be Catholic.
Regarding St. Vincent de Paul Society – there is an ongoing rebranding to St. Vinny’s. Sad is the word.
Why should any true Catholic be surprised that “Catholic” Charities is a large recipient of funds from Obamacare when our so called bishops are so anxious to hob knob with pro-abortion, pro-sodomite politicians even in their Cathedrals, even to the point of material cooperation with the VERY serious Mortal Sin of SACRILEGE by giving these poor souls the BODY, BLOOD, SOUL, AND DIVINITY of Our Lord and Savior and doing so VERY PUBLICLY!
May God have mercy on an amoral America!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Father Nguyen, I am sorry if you misunderstood me. I did not compare the St. Vincent de Paul society with the Nazis. I meant to say, just because someone does SOME good, does not mean the the person is a saint. Things, as well as writings and people have to be totally examined. Even if there is one bad part, that bad part can influence the good. One can make a delicious meal, but by placing a bit of poison in it, the meal is no longer safe to eat. The same is true with the St. Vincent de Paul Society. They do some magnificent work, but much they do is contrary to the Catholic faith. I have ALWAYS been treated better at the Goodwill and Salvation Army stores. I know they promote some anti-Catholic beliefs, but then, they NEVER claimed to be Catholic, and they are NOT supported by special collections which take place during Mass. The St. Vincent de Paul Society does teach immoral behavior, and has lead many Catholics astray because of the scandal they have caused in approving deviant actions. To be Catholic, one must be Catholic in all things, not picking and choosing as a cafeteria Catholic.
Father Karl, that is not true about the St. Vincent de Paul Society. It sounds like your local group may have been corrupted. I am very distressed to hear that they are rude to you. It makes me angry. I do not know where you live but I can assure you that Vincentians elsewhere are not teaching immoral behavior or approving deviant actions. I was shocked when another person who posts here said that St. Vincent de Paul in San Diego only helps those that are homeless. That is totally against the Vincentian Rule. Here is a link to the Rule.
https://www.svdpusa.org/Resources/MulticulturalDiversity/WhattheRuleSays.aspx
K, it depends on the area. De Paul University used to show the highly vulgar and immoral play The Vagina Monologues. I complained in a letter to them, but I think they still show it on their campus. You can check with the Cardinal Newman website to see if they still do. The same with Catholic Charities. It all depends on the area. I try to check things out in that area before I donate any more.
De Paul University and St. Vincent de Paul Society are two different organizations. But you are right. Things differ depending on where they are and who is running them.
Yes, I know, K. I do give to the St. Vincent de Paul Organization in my area and to one Catholic hospital run by the Daughters of St. Vincent de Paul when I go to their chapel, but I would not give to the University run by that order unless I made sure they no longer had such bad plays on their campus.
Anne T. Please keep giving to SVDP. If clerks at their thrift stores are sometimes rude, this should be corrected, but that’s no reason for anyone not to support them. They do good work and are following the path Pope Francis has set for us! Fr. Karl – Try a “charm offensive” with rude clerks. It sometimes snaps them out of their self-centeredness!
C&H what path would that be, the path were traditionalist are considered legalistic pelagians, or where proselytizing is considered unnecessary or your favorite I’m sure “who are we to judge”….meanwhile the crisis in the Church goes along non-stop….Kyrie Eleison ….
Non of us should go around saying that an organization does bad things without stating what it is. So, gives us some examples, Fr. Karl, of things that Saint Vincent de Paul does that is evil and/or immoral. Of what do you speak? By the way, just because one person at one location says something of which you do not approve does not make the organization bad. The SVP at our parish has four collections per year and a weekly food and clothes drop off. They help feed the poor who need help, provide clean clothes for kids at the start of school, etc. That is not evil and/or immoral. Of what do you speak? Please!
If Fr. Karl is a parish priest, perhaps he could share with us how they act on the corporal works of mercy there. Since the Pope has reminded us how critically important they are we should all share what works and what doesn’t.
While souls fall to Hell well at least they are eating…….
Fr. Karl, I do think that the Salvation Army in some areas does provide abortion coverage for some of their employees now, so one does have to look into the situation in ones area if one can. It seems that almost every business in this country is tainted now by something. Perhaps they always were, except for abortion and anti traditional family contributions, but we did not know as much because we had no computers. It is always a matter of prudential judgment as to what business to shop at that does the least amount of evil.
and the most good.
Almost every diocese in the U.S. has a Catholic Charities. There are also many other catholic charity groups in the country. I think it is important to keep them separate when we discuss charity organization. Catholic Charities and St. Vincent de Paul are the two that most people will have a relationship with because they are local. If we talk about a charity that happens to have a catholic connection, we should not call it Catholic Charities, use the lower case “c”. It will make the discussion easier to follow.
Bob One, the word “Catholic” is always capitalized when used to modify a proper noun or as a proper noun. When it is not capitalized, the word “catholic” has a different meaning.
Most unfortunately, it seems to have fallen to me to bring you the sad news that the rules of grammar and punctuation are not actually subject to sudden change by private citizens of English-speaking countries, not even those very special individuals such as you and I who dare to comment on California Catholic Daily, knowing aforehand, as we do, that we almost surely will be challenged on almost everything we post, well punctuated, accurately spelled, properly capitalized, or otherwise.
Catholic charities vs. Catholic Charities, see?
“Put a name to your voice so others can keep track of your real message…. unless, perhaps, your message is just to deride others and keep things confusing.”
My Fair Lady Ann Malley…… ‘The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain…..I think you’ve got it……by George you’ve got it!
Yes, the capital is always used to modify the noun if it is a sanctioned activity of the Catholic Church. But, if it is used in the sense of universal or for a non-sanctioned activity, the lower case is ok. I taught English grammar fifty years ago, so I may not be up to date on usage, which to change by the day instead of the decade. Sorry!