The following comes from an Oct. 7 story by Michael Cook, editor of Mercator Net.
There can be no more contentious issue in sociology than whether same-sex couples do as good a job raising kids as married biological parents. As state after state in the US opens the door to same-sex marriage, judge after judge has affirmed the “no difference” thesis. The kids are OK. Occasionally a social science study even finds that kids do better when they grow up with gay parents.
The sentiments of California Judge Vaughn Walker, in his 2012 decision overturning Proposition 8, have been repeated numerous by judges ruling in favour of same-sex marriage:
“Children raised by gay or lesbian parents are as likely as children raised by heterosexual parents to be healthy, successful and well-adjusted. The research supporting this conclusion is accepted beyond serious debate in the field of developmental psychology.”
Beyond serious debate? That’s a big call. A big bluff, even.
Not long afterwards a sociologist at the University of Texas Austin, Mark Regnerus, collected data from 3,000 adults in a project called the New Family Structures Study. After some complicated number-crunching, he found that adults whose parents had a same-sex relationship have lower educational attainment than adults who grew up with both married biological parents. They were also more likely to be welfare recipients, experience depression, smoke, and be arrested.
Since this was the most comprehensive survey to date on this topic, Regnerus’s article was a bombshell. His research was attacked by other social scientists and he himself was vilified as dishonest, homophobic, shameless, pseudoscientific, denigrating and delusional.
Regnerus stuck to his guns. His study had some limitations, but the data was there.
Admittedly, a number of small studies do suggest that “the kids are OK”, but they tend to be statistically unconvincing. As Loren Marks, of Louisiana State University pointed out in a survey of 59 studies, most of these examined short-term outcomes, involved fewer than 100 participants and were biased toward well-educated white lesbians with high incomes, and many compared homosexual couples with single mothers, not intact families.
So the evidence is far from overwhelming.
And, as Walter Schumm, of Kansas State University, has recently pointed out in the journal Comprehensive Psychology, comparing the quality of same-sex parenting with “mixed-orientation” parenting may be much harder than anyone thought….
To read the entire posting, click here.
The Regnerus “study” has met with eviscerating criticism. Regnerus himself admits that only two of his study subjects were raised for the duration of their childhood by same sex parents, and those two actually did better than the “average” in his study. https://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2012/10/30/parenting-study-author-regnerus-admits-faults-data
I remember this Gay couple:
Standing before an American court convicted of the most heinous of child sex crimes, Australian citizen Mark Newton and his long-term boyfriend Peter Truong had their double lives laid bare. “Being a father was an honour and a privilege that amounted to the best six years of my life,” the American-born Newton, 42, told the court. Moments later Newton was sentenced to 40 years in prison for sexually abusing the boy he and Truong, 36, had ”adopted” after paying a Russian woman $8000 to be their surrogate in 2005. Police believe the pair adopted the boy ”for the sole purpose of exploitation”.The abuse began just days after his birth. Over six years the couple travelled the world, offering him up for sex with at least eight men, recording the abuse and uploading the footage.
Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/national/couple-offered-son-to-paedophiles-20130630-2p5eg.html#ixzz3FzZBlgHy
You are lying. This couple was not in the Regenerous study. When will you understand that lying is a mortal sin?
…lying is a mortal sin, YFC? And yet you claim that homosexual sex is not ‘always’ mortally sinful? Good gravy you have a slippery and inconsistent formation.
Are you denying that lying – the intentional telling of an untruthful thing with the intent to deceive is a mortal sin? Are you seriously telling me that the Old and New Testaments, as well as the Catechism, are wrong about this?
Depends on the seriousness of the matter involved, YFC. As to your reference to the Old Testament and the Catechism and the New Testament, you seem to completely miss the reality that SODOMY is a grave matter, mortally sinful if willfully engaged in – unless perhaps one is raped.
I’m just amazed what with all your fine-tooth-combing of Scripture that you ALWAYS miss that. And yet you would put forth the idea that lying – by you definition it could be a teenager saying they came home at 10:30PM instead of 11:00PM – is always a mortal sin. Wrong. But then you already know that :)
Gratias never says that this couple was part of the Regnerus study. Gratias is merely pointing to an incident, a verifiable and nightmarish incident that raises valid objections about reorganising society according to the fallible will of human beings. Merely looking at the natural world, the idea that higher order creatures like human infants that require physical, psychological, social, emotional (not to mention spiritual) nurture should be placed into the care of same sex “parents” in order to justify and regularise same sex relationships should require a great deal of consideration, scrutiny, and yes, skepticism as to the healthy nature of that imposed relationship. We got rid of our system of orphanages because of perceived abuses. Why would society insist on placing human children in non-biologically ordered situations that are potentially risky? It seems to me that there is a parallel here to the story of Solomon’s baby. The true mother of the child would rather give the child up than see the child die, but the false mother would rather see the child perish than relinquish her false claims. Think on it.
Think on this: Making public policy denying an entire class of people their basic civil rights because there is one bad apple is foolish. Just as it would be to outlaw straight people from marrying because some of them abuse their children. Think about that.
I agree with Maria. But what is even sadder– is the need to do modern scientific studies, to “defend” solid Biblical moral teachings, thousands of years old! Why can’t people just see the truth for themselves?? We have a big responsibility to God, our entire lives! It is always immoral, to raise children in an immoral household, exposing them to many Satanic evils, lies, and dangers! All children DESERVE a good, morally-decent home, with a good, loving mother and father, who believe in God, and will bring their children up properly! That is common sense, Biblical Truth– and should never have to be “defended” by some modern social scientist! Our Church and our Nation have a BIG RESPONSIBILITY for helpless children!
no YFC lying is venial sin, sodomy on the other hand is a mortal sin.
One more reason Putin and the Russians are right in stopping the adoption of their children to foreigners or same-sex couples. Taking children out of the frying pan just to throw them into the fire is no solution.
I sat in the front row of the gallery in the ‘Turkey Baster Creationist’ Court of former judge ‘von-wanker’ during the final part of the trial – and to call the Farce ‘Circus Like’ – Would be a grave insult to the Professionalism of Circus Workers.
Perhaps the Finest Exposes on ‘The Law’ ever written is the book “Devil’s Advocates – The Unnatural History of Lawyers” by NOLO press, as it provides a condensed legal education like no other.
Starting with the early history of ‘conflict settlement’ via trial by torture, to the modern equivalent of torturous trials & attorney’s who delight in the ‘race to the bottom’ (dirtiest first wins the most $$).
The Appointment of Hate Driven Radicals to the Judiciary (as has been the greatest Evil of the Abomination) reflects the nightmarish consequences of Losing Elections – consequences that last for decades and longer past any politician;s tenure in office.
SEE
https://www.amazon.es/Devils-Advocates-Unnatural-History-Lawyers/dp/0873371011
Anyone who watched Chris Wallace on Fox News this morning knows that the entire quote from Vaughn Walker is almost a verbatim repetition of Ted Olsen’s stance on these studies. (Ted Olsen is the extremely high-dollar conservative pro-gay marriage/anti-Prop 8 attorney. He argued before the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore.) The side supporting Prop 8 didn’t present any credible studies during the trial, so the judge could only rule on what was actually set before him. Of course the judge was glad to rule that way, but continuing to blame the Vaughn Walker for the very weak lawyering on the part of Alliance “Defending” Freedom is missing the boat.
What no one said on that program – was that the US Constitution was written to LIMIT the power of the Federal Government.
Judges over the years have legislated from the bench, and then unfortunately use these as a basis for their bad decisions.
Ted Olson is smart enough to find a good argument for anything he wants to propagate within society – including immoral behavior.
Children learn from the example of those they must depend upon.
Oscar, you are correct in a sense. Our Constitution limits what Federal & State Governments can do, including creating policies that demean entire classes of people simply for the sake of demeaning them. Thus, state laws prohibiting people from enjoying their fundamental right to marry are unconstitutional.
Hate to tell you Dude, but the powers of the Federal Govt. are limited. Read the Constitution. The X Amendment says the other powers not enumerated belong to the states or people respectively. Marriage is not one of the enumerated powers of the Federal Govt. Never has been.
Dave N – You sem to forget that former judge ‘von-wanker’ Deliberately Excluded as Plaintiffs organizations and parties prepared to make a Full Defense of Marriage, and who had Many Credible Witnesses available to them.
In order to bias the case ONLY the ADF was allowed present a weak and watered down defense, and the others were banned as Plaintiffs.
If you look at the Amicus (friend of court) Briefs, many of these groups made very cogent and dispositive arguments – which von-wanker ignored. For Example – there is No ‘legal’ Connection between Homo-Anal Coprophile Behaviors and the spread of STDs like Aids, MRSA, Treatment Resistant Syphilis, Gono…
Despite the US Center for Disease Control Evidence to the Contrary:
SEE what type Facts were Deliberately Avoided in the Ruling:
CDC: Gay Men Only 2% of Population
September 30, 2014 – By Michael W. Chapman
(CNSNews.com) — Men who have sex with men comprise about 2% of the U.S. population but they are the risk group most affected by HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in their latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR).
The CDC also states that, “Most gay and bisexual men acquire HIV through anal sex, which is the riskiest type of sex for getting or transmitting HIV.”
https://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/cdc-gay-men-only-2-population
Of course, McDermott pretends that these other ‘plaintiffs’ had legal standing to be defendants (He mistakenly calls them PLAINTIFFS, when what I’m pretty sure he meant was defendants). In fact, the Supreme Court ultimately ruled that NONE of the non-governmental defendants had any standing to appeal. So in his obsession with trash talking a sworn and highly decorated chief judge, he ignores the fact that he came to the CORRECT decision, according to the Supreme Court.
Self indentified “YFC”
I would not want to be around when you “try” to defend yourself before God and his many Saints who were martyred for opposing sodomy!
You are one very sick being!
May God have Mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher,
And I fear for you, Kenneth. You judge; you dismiss, you bully. You just don’t remind me of Jesus. All I see are splinters and planks.
And Dave L you are non-servium
This sad article, and the status of homosexual sexuality in America should have the title: “Living With Ebola”. It takes no intelligence to know that any child that is “adopted” by a homosexual “couple” is at risk. Kudos to Mark Regnerus for this study, and the courage to stand up to the “political science” that will seek to attack it. What should be attacked are judges like Walker who completely violate the ethics of their profession by acting as a plant, a witness to advancing his cause, rather than acting as an impartial finder of fact. Of course, no one will agree to this because it would require the obvious moral decision-making about homosexual sex, and no one will do that. This is particularly the case after Catholic Church leaders showed themselves to be such cowards on the subject, most visibly Cardinal Chuckles-Bravo Dolan. In fact, few church leaders in any faith stand up to Homofascism, at least so far. Pity any child adopted by homosexuals; but then, what can you expect from a society that welcomes the self-absorption of women that masks the unspeakable horror of murdering their own children, to the tune of some 54 million in the good old USA (and counting)?
Homosexuality has nothing to do with ebola. Please stop lying.
And lying isn’t always classified as a MORTAL sin. Stop attempting to give people unnecessary scruples in your crusade to promote sodomy, YFC. And just a hint, you may want to attempt to be honest in your portray of other aspects of Catholic teaching – otherwise your outrageously inaccurate statements call you out immediately as one who hasn’t a clue what Catholic teaching actually is.
Could it possibly be, Ann M., that you are defending lying? It’s hard to swallow.
If reality is as hard to swallow as so-called Catholics promoting sodomy, then you have my sympathies, David L. Stop attempting to give others scruples by promoting that which can be venial or mortal, depending on the gravity of the matter involved, to be equal with homosexual sex acts which are always grave matter.
That said, it is entirely plausible that you are one of those promoting sodomy.
Dear Ann Malley you don’t even understand the Church’s teaching on mortal sin, based on your absurd notions about the mortality of lying and your defense of this sin. Or you choose not to understand. Not quite sure which, though I suspect it’s the latter given how little you choose to understand about what the church teaches. In any case, keep defending lying, if you like, then see where that gets you in life, in the confessional, and in the afterlife.
For one who is supposedly fearful of kids committing suicide, YFC, your adherence that all lying is automatically mortally sinful is confusing. So you’ll send a kid to Hell or make him/her think they are headed to Hell for fibbing about whether or not they took a cookie from the kitchen, or coming in after curfew, but sodomy, well, that’s another matter for you. Why? Because you ‘feeeeel’ it.
Again, look to yourself, YFC, with regard to lying. That said, lying to yourself is one thing, but continuing to post the lie that homosexual sex is okay would be a mortally sinful lie. Why? Because encouraging homosexual sex by negating its inherent disorder is leading others to gravely offend God.
Whoever you may have filling in for your usual witty ‘YFC’ comments is not doing you justice, YFC. You may want to check credentials more closely.
“Your Fellow Catholic”: The use of sarcasm is not lying. You have heard of “sarcasm” have you not, YFC: “The use of irony to mock or convey contempt” is a good definition. You call everything a “lie” because that is about all you, and fellow Homofascists, can say in the face of truth and scandal.
Judge Walker gave a biased, unethical, and simply poor decision regarding Proposition 8. Homosexuals have no moral right to marry and to adopt children. Our society, lead by our craven Congress and Supreme Court, lacks the moral courage to say such things.
Wait, wait — aren’t some leaders in our own Church saying that homosexuals bring “gifts” to all of us and the we must somehow nurture them, or have tea and cookies with them, something like that? Well, yes; it looks like Pope Francis is happy to dance with Cardinal Chuckles-Bravo Dolan, Cardinal Creepy- Dan Danneels, Cardinal Wuerl the Girl, and others; these are certainly men of character, of belief, who stand tall against a world owned by Satan.
Now, that is a lie, “YFC” and a big one.
“Saint” Christopher, Judges are not tasked with making moral judgements. In fact, to the extent that moral judgements would create an establishment of religion, they are prohibited from making them. On the other hand, they are tasked with making legal judgements and to interpret the Constitution, and Judge Walker had an extraordinary career as a jurist, and his Prop 8 decision was very widely hailed for its thoroughness and correct legal interpretations. And yes, gay people, like all the people of God, have gifts to offer in the service of the Church. If you have ever been to the Sistine Chapel, you know that is true.
Someone’s artistic ability is not due to their acting on homosexual attraction, YFC. That’s like attributing someone’s financial acumen to the fruits of adultery – carrying on affairs requires a lot of details juggling after all.
Your Catholic sense is, as usual, nonsense.
Ah “Your Fellow Catholic” — always making general statements, eh? Well, how about this one: look at Brown v. Board of Education, isn’t that a “moral” decision? And, why can’t a society, to an extent, police its sexual ethics? Just read the Scalia dissent in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), wherein the good Justice said that the same logic that prevailed there could be used to also support bestiality, bigamy, prostitution, adultery, fornication, adult incest, and — nice surprise — abortion. Try to think things out, YFC. Oh yes, you are wrong about Judge Walker, a jurist that CA attorneys advise was timid, and intellectually weak. His Prop 8 opinion, contrary to your self-serving argument, is also seen by many as flimsy, relying on anecdotal “evidence” and a pre-determined outcome. No one said that homosexual sexualists lack talents in the arts. Your veiled reference to Michelangelo, of course, is likely misplaced. His sexuality is a topic of longstanding academic debate, so please try to document your allegations (not by reference to homosexual journals and the like). Homosexual “relationships” and homosexual sexuality have no place in anything Catholic. Sure, Jesus ate with sinners, and forgave those who sought it, but he never embraced the sin, never said that everyone needed to welcome the gifts of adulterers, or fornicators, or theives and the like.
Remember that elected Politicians appoint people of like mind to – judgeships and high administrative offices – at the Federal, State, and Local levels.
The VOTERS are ultimately to blame for those they elect.
Oscar,
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!
May God have Mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
If you look closely at the researchers who find that children do as well or even better when raised by homosexuals, you will find with absolute certainty I bet, that the researchers themselves are gay. In fact, in the bio of one that I read after another favorable study about homosexual parenting, the researcher reported that he and his partner were seeking to adopt a child so they would be a family. Satan is having his way with us.
“Marriage from a Child’s Perspective: How Does Family Structure Affect Children, and What Can We Do About It?” Child Trends Research Brief(June 2002):1-2,6, https://www.childtrends.org/files/MarriageRB602.pdf
“Research clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a low conflict marriage. Children in single parent families, children born to unmarried mothers, and children in stepfamilies or cohabiting relationships face higher risks of poor outcomes…There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents…It is not simply the presence of two parents,…but the presence of two biological parents that seems to support children’s development.”
Apparently you did not read the very large prominent disclaimer at the beginning of the piece you cited. Trying to mislead people by quoting studies that do not even address the question is tantamount to lying:
“Note: This Child Trends brief summarizes research conducted
in 2002, when neither same-sex parents nor adoptive parents
were identified in large national surveys. Therefore, no
conclusions can be drawn from this research about the wellbeing
of children raised by same-sex parents or adoptive
parents.” https://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/MarriageRB602.pdf
So, what is the answer to all this back-and-forth regarding whether children “do well” in any particular “family”? I wager that children do excellently in a family where the man and his wife are a committed couple, where they understand what marriage is, and then exemplify that for the children that they have. i have no doubt, having come from a divorced home, that the example that my parents gave me was not the best one. I can tell that children who were raised by the same parents, committed to their marriage and family, are well rounded, well adjusted people. I don’t need a study to see it with my own eyes, but having the study simply confirms what I can see with my own eyes. My own experience has validated the Regnerus study. I am so happy that he did it, and that he continues to stand behind what he found. A person would have to have an agenda of their own to twist that information up and denigrate it. Facts are facts. I have experienced it on my own. It is a valid study. Children of homosexual parenting are truly at risk of exploitation, and some of them WERE. That is not a lie, it is a fact. I don’t have anything to gain or lose if someone declines to believe those facts. It is not on me if they decide to continue to wear the bag over their heads that says “homosexuality is great”. But at least I know who those folks are, and I can decide what to do about that when I do run into them.
Exploitation is a fact and a reality for some very unfortunate kids who were raised by straight parents, gay parents, and even Irish nuns. Yet the fact that exploitation exists in rare circumstances is hardly reason to prohibit kids from having parents, is it? Or from exposure to nuns? Or from playing in the sunshine?
Taking children out of the frying pan and throwing them into the fire makes no sense either. I agree with Life Lady. Both my husband and I came from a broken home, but it would have been worse to have been thrown into a family with no mother or no father at all. I had my grandparents and later my mother and step father. My husband had his mother and step father. At least we had examples of what fatherhood and motherhood are, though not the best situation.
No one wants to talk about “NATURAL LAW”…..
AIDS is an outgrowth of men sodomizing each other…I told a Priest that “sodomy” is so reprehensible a sin, that “it cries to Heaven for vengeance”!…He googled it and seemed stunned, almost confused…it was right up their with “murder”!…even fornication, as gravely sinful as it may be, does not cry to Heaven for vengeance…
More straight men in the world are infected with HIV than gay men. HIV is a virus, not the outcome of a behavior.
There is no evidence that Linear Males AQUIRE STDs any more frequently than those who are Light Hearted and Gaily Happy… but then studies haven’t been done on that.
Given that Homo-Anal Coprophiles,( although barely 2% of the population, including switch hitters) account for the overwhelming percentage of Existing and Rising New cases of Aids (along with Treatment Resistant forms of MRSA, Syphilis, Gono…) and particularly Young Recruits to the ‘Conga Line of Buggery’…
The incessant attempts to Avoid Discussion of the Medical Facts of such Transmission (which is most effective through sharing infected needles and Homo-Anal Buggery) – including those Men ‘On the Down Low’ (like POTUS Barry Soetoro) spreading the disease to Women – while pretending to be Heterosexual – are simply Gaystapo Propaganda.
And should be given as much credibility as the rest of the lying liar spew from the various ‘Anonymous ‘lying liars lying-in Sin’ who regularly trash this board under various guises – but collectively roost here as the ‘Resident Harpies’.
That is since many of them used anal sex as a contraceptive with women, and some had relations with both sexes. Anal passages that are torn from wrong usage and have tears are more prone to getting all kinds of diseases. People who indulge in such behavior are the ones who most often get diseases and cancers that are uncommon to more chaste heterosexuals.
I would like to add that countries and areas in Africa, and other nations, that are more faithful to Judeo Christian morality have less STD’s and HIV.
St. Charles Lwanga and Martyrs, pray for us.
waltnd62,
First, if nd stands for Notre Dame now Notre Shame, you have my sincere condolences!
Secondly, wait to we get the so called report from the HEAVILY LIBERALLY STACKED un-necessary and un-called for Synod. “STAY WITH TRADITION” ,Our Lady at Akita!
May God have Mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
War’s over. You lose. BTW — The 12th Century called. They want the Byzantines back.
How is it a right to have a child that you cannot produce yourself? I don’t think people who can’t reproduce have a right to other people’s children. That comment on the Irish nuns is a real canard. The truth has come out about that but you’ll never see those beautiful sisters vindicated by the truth of the matter in this our day and time because those in power now lie constantly and do not know the truth. For example, the CDC reports some 555,000+ male to male sex transmission of aids compared to some 88000 heterosexual male transmissions. By simple math that’s a rate more than 6 times or some84% higher rate for male to male transmission. Check the facts folks. These unfounded rumors fly, by some, on this site. Sin makes one stupid. The age you enter into mortal, unrepented sin is the age you get stuck at. Stuck on stupid. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe the gospel.
By your reasoning, Simone, no one should be able to adopt….absurd on second thought, no?
Simone, you said in a paragraph what would take most of us a book to say! As you wrote, “sin makes one stupid” it would certainly support one of the causes for the dumbing down of this country.
Great post Simone Dubois. No one is buying what he who calls himself YFC and David L. are selling but the totally ignorant and biologically and natural law challenged. I knew kindergarteners who had more sense than both of them.
I know of a lovely married woman, who could not conceive a child. She and her husband were so devastated! Eventually, they adopted two children, and had a happy family. When their oldest son went to college, he was killed suddenly, in a brutal accident! The family grieved miserably! At such times, people often ask, “where is God?” I have also known married couples who were devastated, over the loss of a child, due to miscarriage. Saddest of all– I have known cases where a little child died, of lethal illnesses like leukemia, and the family suffered tremendously! Well, now let us turn to gays, who want to “marry” and adopt children, stating childishly– this is their so-called “American right.” Is it? Is Life “fair?” What is one’s MORAL RESPONSIBILITY to GOD– in such cases? In cases where a person is ill or disabled, or abnormal (such as “LGBT”)– what pathway does God direct them to, to serve Him well– and to have a happy life? Is God just a “meanie,” to everyone?? Or does He have Divine Intelligence and Love– to lead you in the best possible pathway??
DTC, you are so factually wrong on so many issues, even I am astounded. Let me make some corrections. 1) Less than half of gay men in the US have HIV infection, . 2) HIV in Africa is almost entirely a straight disease, and it is likely that the virus first emerged there before it entered into the gay community. 3) There is no evidence that having sex with monkeys was every part of the HIV story. 4) Patient Zero was a nice invention in order to try to understand how the disease is spread, but was unlikely to have been the literal patient zero. 5) At the time that patient was sick, it was completely unknown to him how sick he was or that he could transmit the virus to others. 6) Most people who engage in sodomy are in fact straight.
DTC, your data on AIDS transmission is, in fact faulty. Your Pharisaical judgments of others, though, is the real tragedy
Is jesus the Lord only of this country? If so, DTC, then your stats are valid. If, however, he is Lord over the world, then your stats need to be adjusted to include HIV transmission throughout the world. I prefer a universal God, not an American one.
Lyme disease, on the other hand, is rare of outside of the United States. Perhaps hiking is an abomination that cries to high heaven?
The current Synod in Rome– is a HORROR! And Pope Francis– is a HORROR! How long must this NIGHTMARE of IMMORALITY, HERESY, and APOSTASY last, in our Church?? These extremely weak, frightened, shallow, immature, immoral Churchmen, are betraying Christ! Christ died on a Cross, for all the sins these bad Churchmen want to pretend, are “acceptable!” Mature adults DO NOT WANT or ACCEPT babyish, false “compromises,” with the Devil!! Instead– when they have problems, and have “done wrong,” they want to KNOW THE TRUTH, go to CONFESSION– and learn to live their lives RIGHT– and BE PROUD, to do so, before JESUS CHRIST! Abraham Lincoln once said: ” You can fool some of the people all the time, and you can fool all of the people, some of the time– but you cannot fool ALL of the people, ALL the time!” Our Church is in DEEP TROUBLE– with ALMIGHTY GOD!! You can’t fool GOD!!
Answering Ted Olson by Mona Charen
“…famed advocate Ted Olson offered the kind of reasoning that, in his former incarnation as a conservative, he would have scorned.
“Over 59 percent of Americans now believe that marriage equality should be the law of the land,” he proclaimed. Seconds later he seemed to contradict himself: “We have a Constitution and Bill of Rights precisely because we want protections from majority rule.”
Which is it: a fundamental right that ought to be recognized without regard to majority views, or a popular view that deserves to be enshrined in the Constitution by the courts just because it’s polling well? If it’s true that large majorities have changed their minds on same-sex marriage, why not leave the matter to state legislatures and voters rather than undemocratically taking the question out of their hands?
When his opponent, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, asked Olson what the purpose of marriage is, Olson dodged the question…
https://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2014/10/14/draft-n1904598/page/full
No need to lie Mickey D . . . Olsen’s response:
The purpose of marriage is what the Supreme Court has said 14 times. It’s a fundamental right that involves privacy, association, liberty, and being with the person you love and forming a part of the community and being treated equally with the rest of society. . . . What court after court after court has said, that allowing people of the same sex to marry the person that they love, to be part of the community and to be treated equally, does no damage to heterosexual marriage.
For discussions on civil marriage as a matter of law, this boilerplate – ahem – response is perfectly sufficient. Same sex marriage (i.e. marriage) does nothing to undermine heterosexual marriage. Any argument to the contrary is just filler.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/10/13/why-gay-marriage-opponents-have-lost/
“peter”: Hardly “filler” as you call it. First, you confuse judicial decision-making, which is often wrong, with the Natural Law. Homosexual sex and marriage is something, even as a matter of civil law, that should be subject to control by the State. The sad fact is that politicians and judges are cowardly (see, the Supreme Court refusal to rule on the homosexual sex issue). And, the effects of their cowardice are clear. As Justice Scalia said in his dissent in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), that Court’s reasoning should permit a host of truly awful things: bestiality, adult incest, pornography, bigamy, and the like. Are you saying that the State lacks the interest and authority to limit these excesses?
Second, as to Natural Law, homosexual sex is anathema to God. The idea of trusting one of his little ones to a homosexual “couple” is beyond sickness. Take a look at Paul’s letter to the Romans 1:26-32: “And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.” (DRA)
Argue all you wish, but homosexual sex and “marriage” — however civilly legal — has no defense before God. And, adoption of a child — God’s little one — is beyond perverse, regardless of the imprimatur of the State. Remember, that Hitler had lots of laws and courts that served to justify his murderous actions.
Exactly. Perfect examples, St. Chris, of the case in point. Filler.
“Filler” only to the Devil.
Of course people should have the privilege to adopt David L. But a privilege for so great a gift is not in and of itself a right. A child has a right to its biologic parents. They are not commodities to be bought and sold at the local sperm bank or orphanage. Why are we destroying the child’s right for the wants and desires of grown adults. Adoption is a privilege. Why do you seek to change that discussion I wonder?
Simone, you’ve phrased this beautifully, I think. I wonder how this got turned around into people thinking that people think that adoption is a right? I don’t know anyone who advocates that position, except for those who think they need to oppose the idea.
Having said that, second parent adoption (a partner or spouse of a parent with custody) is usually the beneficial option for the child. The alternative is that the day-to-day parent is a legal stranger to the child, which benefits them not in the slightest.
or course.
One wonders how much was Paid to the Two Men that POTUS ‘Down Low’ Soetoro harassed while at Harvard – although the media Censorship Blanket over that one was as thick as they could make it.
Here is the New Face of Progressive RINO$ at work & play:
“Gay Republican Congressional candidate accused of sexual harassment, public masturbation
Openly homosexual Republican congressional candidate Carl DeMaio has once again been accused of fondling himself in the presence of a coworker. DeMaio’s former policy director, Todd Bosnich, told CNN that his ex-boss made repeated unwanted sexual advances toward him and once summoned him into his office to witness him pleasuring himself…
Bosnich, who is gay, told CNN that when he complained to fellow staffers about DeMaio’s inappropriate behavior his concerns were dismissed.
Bosnich said DeMaio’s campaign manager Tommy Knepper told him, “That’s just the way Carl is…
“We were making small talk on the way back,” Bosnich said. “And when he pulled up to my car, he reached over into my lap and grabbed my crotch. And I flipped out. And I pushed his hand away.”
…After several months of alleged harassment, Bosnich says he finally confronted DeMaio directly, telling the candidate to either keep his hands to himself or withdraw from the race. The very next day, Knepper called him into his office and fired him, Bosnich told CNN, explaining that DeMaio had “lost his trust” in him.
Bosnich says Knepper offered him $50,000 and a job with the San Diego County Republican Party in exchange for signing a non-disclosure agreement
– a deal Bosnich turned down, calling it “an attempt to bribe me to keep my silence.”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-republican-congressional-candidate-accused-of-sexual-harassment-public?
Apparently McDermott hasn’t learned his lesson about hijacking threads. Or name calling. or spreading racist lies.
The Anonymous King/Queen of hijack pronounces judgment on Michael McDermott.
Well done, Michael! Keep up the the pinpoint accuracy. The commanders of the Death Star are taking notice. The resulting smoke and oh-mys are proof of a direct hit.
But then there is nothing like the Faith and the natural law when it comes to missile guidance systems… not even ‘the Force’ can compare!
Ann Malley: LOL!
Excellent posts Michael McDermott and Ann Malley!
“Well done, Michael! Keep up the the pinpoint accuracy. The commanders of the Death Star are taking notice. The resulting smoke and oh-mys are proof of a direct hit.” = God bless you Ann, that statement IS *absolutely correct. *
Yes, Michael McDermott, Ann Malley is right. Please keep up the pinpoint accuracy because the same type of silencing squads from Texas are also trying to silence faithful Catholics on CCD. Look what happened in Texas when the commanders of the Death Star received publicity for their bullying. Here is more evidence that the devil has placed a bright rainbow colored ring in the nose of very many lost souls. The father of lies has been quite successful in leading many away by disguising his hatred for God under the pretend banner of tolerance. St. Augustine said that the devil must first deceive a soul in order to completely destroy a soul.
God sends no one to hell. It is the individual who hates God’s laws who chooses hell and it is God’s Perfect Justice that ultimately Sanctions their rebellious choice.
https://m.ncregister.com/blog/matthew-archbold/the-silencing-of-the-shepherds#.VD6xaaZHbCQ
There’s a Major Twist in the Story About Texas Pastors’ Sermons Being Subpoenaed
https://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/16/these-pastors-sermons-on-homosexuality-were-subpoenaed-and-houston-officials-seemingly-defended-the-act-but-now-theres-a-twist/
What is in those sermons is none of her business unless she is forced to attend that church or give them money, which she is not.
To each his own facts, I guess.
The Chair of the sociology department at UT Austin (Regrerus’ bona fide) posted a public disavowal of his study, calling it “fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds.”
https://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/sociology/news/7572
It’s obvious that this is an attempt to manipulate public policy. The research is only persuasive if it’s confirming a bias, and is contradicted by virtually all other research on the matter. It’s financed wholly by a group with an obvious political motivation.
It’s similar to the Family Research Council, but more sophisticated… It’s research, rather than meta-research, it’s authored by a professor, it was peer reviewed (somewhat dubiously) and published in an academic journal.
A+ for effort.
Still, if the best supporting evidence for a viewpoint relies on an edge case requiring heavy suspension of disbelief, that’s a pretty weak. It’s not persuading anyone. It’s science the same way the Creation Museum is science.
Positive correlation between homosexual sex abuse and acceptance of homosexuality: study
Paul Cameron says he has found evidence that wherever social and political attitudes towards homosexuality are more positive, sex crimes against minors with a homosexual element are more numerous.
In a new study based on Google News reports, controversial family values crusader Paul Cameron says he has found evidence that wherever social and political attitudes towards homosexuality are more positive, sex crimes against minors with a homosexual element are more numerous.
Cameron, who is head of the Family Research Institute based in Colorado Springs, released his findings in Rome last week, hoping to influence the Extraordinary Synod on the Family that has Catholic leaders from around the world in the Eternal City.
“The Catholic Church is doing something very important,” Cameron told LifeSiteNews. “We hope they will look at this information. I supposed I’d be considered an Evangelical Protestant but what happens in Christendom as a whole matters to me.”
Cameron’s research team analyzed 3,000 news reports taken from Google News about sexual molestations reported from countries such as China, Taiwan, Russia, Moldova, the United Kingdom, Italy, the European Union in toto, Canada and the U.S.
Cameron says the study revealed a clear and positive correlation between how acceptable homosexuality was across the range of countries and the proportion of sexual crimes that were homosexual…
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/positive-correlation-between-homosexual-sex-abuse-and-acceptance-of-homosex
Better Not question the propaganda of the Gaystapo – or Else you get on the ‘tolerance’ list too.
BTW – Do the Homo-Nazi swastikas sprayed on this building resemble the same ‘artiste’ that trashed Holy Redeemer Church & Pope Benedict the Wise as a sign of ‘Gaystapo Tolerance’ during that farce:
SEE
Meantime: The same ‘Lavender Liberal’ Gaystapo Stalkers List for supporting Prop-8, is back in the ‘news’ – just in case there are any Citizens wishing to escape retaliation by the Abomination, as if such were possible.
SEE.
“Supreme Court Asked to Protect Natural Marriage Supporters from Death Threats, Violence & Vandalism
https://barbwire.com/2014/10/14/supreme-court-asked-protect-natural-marriage-supporters-death-threats-violence-vandalism/#XIsDPbqfpLCxUU42.99
Devout Traditional Catholic, from what I have read AIDS started in Africa from a tribe that ate infected monkey meat. Then when the men went to the large cities for jobs, it spread. From what I have heard, though, porn films, even in this country sometimes contain bestiality, so it is possible that a few cases started that way. I do not know.