The following comes from a July 2 story on KPCC Radio in Los Angeles.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced Tuesday nearly $32 million in grants to help states sign up children for low-income health coverage.
In California, nine organizations, including the Los Angeles Unified School District, will together get roughly $6.2 million in grants ranging from $190,000 to slightly less than $1 million. The money is intended to help them identify and enroll children into Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program for the poor.
HHS officials say the funds will be used to target those children who are now eligible but not yet enrolled in the Medi-Cal program, as well as those who will become eligible for the expanded Medi-Cal coverage that will begin on Jan. 1, 2014.
Under the Affordable Care Act, California has agreed to expand its Medi-Cal coverage to an estimated 1.4 million adults and children.
The top three HHS grants in the state went to Catholic Charities of California ($999,956), Family Health Centers of San Diego Inc. ($993,472) and the L.A. Unified School District ($974,929).
The other grantees are:
- Alameda County Social Services Agency ($877,750)
- Northeast Valley Health Corporation ($796,258)
- Tides Center – California Coverage & Health Initiatives ($750,900)
- United American Indian Involvement ($313,422)
- Nevada County Superintendent of Schools ($284,465)
- Lake County Tribal Health Consortium Inc. ($192,881)
HHS officials say the grants to school districts, community groups, and government agencies will build on a four-year effort that’s increased the number of U.S. children with health insurance by 1.7 million youngsters nationwide.
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“The top HHS grant in the state went to Catholic Charities of California ($999,956).”
There’s the answer to the cui bono regarding Catholic institutions which support abortion.
Here you see a very good reason not to give a penny to the Catholic Charities of California. Community Organizers I do not support.
The greatest community organizer in the history of the world was Christ himself! Community organizing is one of the roles of the Chuch. We are here to save souls, to reduce the misery in which people are forced to live by the economic system, to change the system when we can, to feed the hungry and to help people have good health care. That is being Catholic! Hating people, being willing to let people have poor health care because they are poor, etc. is going against the teachings of the church. Listen to Francis. He will be a good guide for us. He wants us to be a church for the poor.
So Bob, you think Obamacare is a good thing. Communism is intrinsically evil so is abortion. Obamacare is nothing but a way for the government to dominate everyone and know every detail of their life and dictate their lifestyle. This is the most destructive program that has ever been enacted in the United States.
And it was done illegally. What a bunch of sheep. If we wanted to help the people without health care we could have easily provided it without changing everyones giving the government total control of our lives.
Charity never comes from the government it comes from Churches and individuals. We are our brothers keeper but the government is not.
Oh, Bob One, so you think the Lord Jesus Christ talked St. Matthew the tax collector, into sucking some more money out of his own Jewish people to give to the Roman Empire, do you? Sorry, but my Lord was not that kind of blood sucker. Maybe yours is.
Bob One,
Spoken like a true big government advocate!
BTW, I personally due plenty with my own limited funds for the truly poor, I don’t ask evil big government to do it for me.
May God have mercy on your soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Confusing Government and Charity is a mistake. Commie Agitators will take away your freedom.
Ah Bob One, you are one who immediately canonize the poor just for being poor. You see nothing wrong stealing from the middle class to give it to the welfare queens having 6 kids with 5 different men, well I do.
Canisius, the govenment has often made it worse for the children of those families by giving the woman money if the father of the child stays out of the home. Thereby the government discouages the mother and father of the child from marrying. It would be better if they helped them out for a limited time, allowing the fathers to stay if he marries the woman and then find a job for him. Then forcing them off of welfare if they refuse to work.
Oops! “discourages” not “discouages”.
Actually, that is more of what Ex President Bill Clinton did. His welfare plan was better than President Obama’s which encourages people to be drones instead of worker bees.
Actually, Anne, the welfare plan signed into law by President Bill Clinton was not his plan. In fact the first time the bill landed on his desk, he vetoed it. In the end he reluctantly signed it. It was only after the new law reaped positive results that he and the other history revisionists began claiming that it was his idea in the first place.
Tracy, I know you are quite right in what you said as it was the Republicans who forced his hand. Nevertheless, he did sign it. I think there were more Republicans in power at the time, though, in the House and Senate.
Well, Christ was talking about the poor in spirit, Bobone, and He also said the poor will always be with us. His mission was most assuredly not about creating an earthly community but to be preparing for our eternal home and leading as many souls as we can to that end. Why are liberals always so focused on creating their little shangrilas and nirvanas on earth and leading all those they come into contact with on this horizontal path. Our path is to lead us to the Father. If feeding the poor is part of this goal, than yes, we’re to feed the poor…but if you’re just feeding the poor earthly food and not heavenly food along with it, then your cause is corrupt and you might as well be a social worker. There are many, many very rich people who are starving to death, spiritually. Funny, but I never hear you mention this.
Thank you Dana. Well articulated. Let us pray that more clergy respond to the Lord with boldness and truth!
A good prayer indeed, Cathleen! God bless you.
The greed of Catholic organizations is beyond belief.
Patrick:
The Church’s greed to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead and cast out demons is indeed beyond belief. I am grateful that the Church continues whether you believe in her or not.
How much money comes our of your pocket, Francis, for charity. I doubt very much. Socialists usually give very little to acutal charity. They are notorious bad tippers too. They seem to think that everyone should get the same pay, even if someone else works harder. Sorry, I do not agree with you. There should be some welfare, but it should be only a stop gap measure.
One of my sons-in law has an aunt who is totally blind, but she works and is an amazing woman. The things she can do are surprising. Jobs give people dignity. On the other hand I have seen people’s lives ruined and their children’s too by continual welfare. Some children of welfare recepients have never worked a day in their lives. Those usually end up on drugs and dead at an early age. Yes, there are some people who are totally disabled, but that is a whole different ball game.
When ever the govenment takes our money, it then passes threw hundreds of hands, who all skim off their portion, until a small portion actually reaches the poor. That is why I actual give to the charities I want to support because I know what they do with the money and the values they hold.
Anne:
My goodness, but you make some unkind and untrue assumptions about me! I’m a “socialist”? I don’t give to charity? Don’t leave tips? And you think I should not be happy when the Church helps the poor? Who told you such mean-spirited lies about me?
Francis, after reading Anne T’s three responses to your July 11, 2013 at 7:57 am post and now reading your July 15, 2013 at 3:08 pm in response to her, I’ve come up with the following questions: Can you read? Can you comprehend what you read? Do you like making people crazy? Is your favorite game “Twister”? Or do you maybe just think that Anne is an easy target for childhood antics?
Really, Francis, before you ask the question of Anne, “Who told you such mean-spirited lies about me?”, maybe you should first stop making up mean-spirited lies about her!
Francis maybe you have some insight on this: why is it that the traditionalists seem to be the most mean spirited? Or maybe it is that the most mean spirited traditionalists are the most vocal. I find it ironic and not at all obvious the reasons. Any ideas?
Touche and mea culpa. I should have said most socialists. Neverthelss, you did not answer my questions. Ha! Ha!
That last one of yours, though, was wrong. I never said you should not be happy when the Church helps the poor. What I was saying is that instead of the Church relying on the government to tax us then give the remainder of the taxes after they have skimmed theirs off to the church, we should just give ourselves to the Church. And excessive taxation IS socialism.
Dear Tracy. I hope you’ve been watching ccd because if you had you’d realize that Francis has got to be one if the most even temper fairest folks here on ccd. I’ll refrain from elaborating on this interaction with the hope that you will comprehend what goes non
Hello Anne
Hello Anne of course Francis did not answer your questions ( haha ) because you attacked his very character.
Precisely what part if attacking a persons character do you find funny?
YFC, you being an homosexual activist may have some insight on this: why is it that the homosexual activist seem to be the most mean spirited? And why does the liberal media cover up their actions?
Do a web search for these headlines:
–Archbishop prays while topless gay activists shout curses and douse him with water
—Gay Activists Pose for White House Pics Giving Finger to Ronald Reagan’s portrait.
—VIDEO: Attacked by “Tolerance
—Bishop tells hostile crowd at gay marriage debate: my secretary was murdered by a gay activist for suggesting he change his lifestyle.
Her name Tracy was Mary Stachowicz, and the homosexual man beat, stabbed, raped and strangled her, wrapped her body in plastic and stuffed her under the floorboards of his apartment. There was barely a peep out of the press or major media about it, even though it happened in 2002. I just heard about it now from a Catholic website. I guess it was not enough of a “hate” crime for the major media. The defense team thought she was just too “annoying’ to the homosexual man, asking too many questions about his behavior. Perhaps she was, but she did not deserve to be murdered in such a way. I suppose, too, that Matthew Shepherd was thought “annoying”, to the men whom he kept asking for sex who murdered him, but we never, never stop hearing about it. So I guess it is all right for us to start murdering annoying people, but if it is an annoying heterosexual, it is not suppose to be a hate crime. What manure (to put it politley) that is we all know.
Correction: make that “politely” lest Frances complain.
Anne T., thank you for giving us more insight into the story about Mary Stachowicz, and the homosexual man who beat, stabbed, raped and strangled her, wrapped her body in plastic and stuffed her under the floorboards of his apartment all because he was annoyed that she suggested that he change his life style.
Anne the murder you describe certainly sounds horrific and uncalled for. Well, of course a murder in that manner is uncalled for.
But you imply that Mathew Shephard kept asking for sex from the guys who killed him. Where is there any evidence of that? I hope you wouldn’t spread lies about a dead person, especially someone heinously murdered by a gang of thugs.
Anne and Tracy:
If you’re upset that I haven’t revealed how much I give to charities: First of all, there isn’t even one question mark in any of Anne’s posts. Tracy’s questions have question marks, but they aren’t properly questions but insults. I like to answer sincere questions but not statements or insults. Second, if it’s so important, I can’t stop you revealing how much of your income goes to charities, but I don’t think it’s appropriate on an anonymous forum.
I’m not interested in arguing about the meaning of socialism. I will repeat what I wrote below a few days ago (just so you know it is sincere and not made-up to answer you “questions”): If we had a perfectly functioning Utopian socialist economy (something never achieved anywhere) where everyone’s material needs were taken care of, that still would not absolve me of the obligation to care for the poor, because poverty cannot be measured in purely material terms. Even if I were paying taxes to the point of living off food stamps, still I would be obligated to care for the poor by whatever means remain available to me, by service to the Church, by volunteering, donating from my garden or whatever.
My whole point in all this was to show that big govenment, especially if if it turns around and destroys children in the womb, is definitely not the only way to help the poor, Frances. I should not have said “I do not agree with you” in my post on July 15 at 11:05 am, and I apologize for that. I should have said, “I do not agree with them,” as I know first hand that many socialist and Democrats do believe that way. Nevertheless, there are some Democrats, who have had to wait on tables in their younger years, who are good tippers for good service.
Francis , my questions were not so much designed to insult you as they were to show you how troubling it was for me to see you twisting what Anne wrote in order to make a new point of your own. I was expressing, albeit sarcastically, my wish that you re-read what she wrote and respond accordingly. For clarification I am referring to Anne’s July 15, 2013 at 11:05 am posting. If you reread it you will see that Anne never said You don’t give to charity. She only figured that you probably give very little. She never said that you don’t leave tips. She expressed that she takes you for being a bad tipper. And she never said that you should not be happy when the Church helps the poor. That, Francis you pulled out of thin air. Yes, she did suggest that you are a socialist, but that would be a rather rational conclusion for her, (not to mention anyone), to make based on many of your previous writings. This is no different than it should be a rational conclusion, for you or anyone else, to make, based on her previous writings, that Anne is a conservative .
So my response to you, Francis, was not to suggest that Anne’s political position was right and your’s is wrong, but rather to suggest to you, as I have to others, that we can only have a healthy debate on this forum when we respond to what a person really said! You, Francis, expressed outrage at several things Anne never said! And that, my friend, is what is TRULY Outrageous! So in response to your latest false conclusion, I don’t care what amount you give to charity. I’m sure that God cares, but I don’t. So in your own words, stop spreading “mean-spirited lies” about me!
To be short and to the point, there is NOTHING Catholic about Catholic Charities, and there is also NOTHING charitable about this bureaucracy.
Well aren’t you just a bundle of joy Father karl.
Sorry YFC, but in this case Fa. K is right – CC does very little but pocket the money – I really would like to see their annual audit, an actual audit not the one the public sees –
The government audits how their grant money is used. They don’t “pocket the money.”
Anonymous, you appear to be naive based on your statement. Just because an organization is a non-profit, doesn’t necessarily mean that the top executives don’t take exorbitant salaries well beyond that of their counterparts who work for “for-profit” companies. In fact, this is why knowledge of a charity’s Form 990 is so important before one makes a decision to support them. Some non-profits do in fact give very little to their stated charity while “pocketing” large sums the money.
I am not saying that executives don’t have a right to a decent living, I am only saying that some people start non-profits for the sole purpose of benefiting themselves under the guise of being charitable.
Anonymous, it sounds as if you are ignorant of what “non-profit status” really means. Have been duped into believing the lie that “non-profit” necessarily equates with being “ethical” and “for-profit” necessarily equates with being “evil”?
Eric, CC as a non-profit 401c3 has to give you a copy of their IRS form 990 if you request it. This will give you a complete break down of how their money is used, including salaries. Charities who have nothing embarrassing to hide often post their 990’s on their websites.
So self called YFC,
You sir are not fit to polish Fr. Karl’s shoes!
May God have mercy on your compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Kenneth, please stop compromizsing my soul. I might need it someday.
Your souls is lost YFC
so called YFC,
Only you can compromise your eternal Soul, I can only warn you of the dangers you are placing it in.
May God have mercy on your compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
How are my comments being posted under “Annonymous”? What is going on here? This is not the first time!
Viva Cristo Rey!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
YFC apologize to Father Karl….
To be shor alnd to the point, ther is NOTHING Catholic about your comment. Catholic Charities is the social justice arm of the church in each diocese. It works for the poor, helps the immigrants, advocates for better living conditions and better health for our citizens. By conglomerating the efforts and resources of all the parishes, it does more that individuals can do by themselves. With all due respect, a priest should be a supporter of the churches efforts to do good in the world. Perhaps it is time for you to search out what it means to be Catholic.
A question Bob One and others. Is the church going to have to pay for contraceptives and abortions for any workers involved in CC?
Just because someone makes a decision you don’t like doesn’t mean they are not Catholic.
But it sure makes alot of the people feel really good about themselves who contribute to it, Fr. That they don’t seem to worry about where their money is going seems to be rather telling, however. I respect anyone’s right to give their money as they choose but the charitable outreach that bobone describes sounds just like a democratic bureaucracy with lots and lots of porkbarrelling lack of accountability. One can set one’s clock by his consistent replies, however, and his little charity train always takes off from Social Justice Station with some midnight deliveries at FatCity and Piggywiggyville Junction on their way to the final destination, WelfareVillage. I prefer the LittleEngineSelf-Effort that picks up skilled workers armed with Bibles and seeds, travelling light and filled with the Holy Spirit and know-how to teach people how to feed their souls as well as their bellies. Toot Toot
“One can set one’s clock by his consistent replies, however, and his little charity train always takes off from Social Justice Station with some midnight deliveries at FatCity and Piggywiggyville Junction on their way to the final destination, WelfareVillage. I prefer the LittleEngineSelf-Effort that picks up skilled workers armed with Bibles and seeds, travelling light and filled with the Holy Spirit and know-how to teach people how to feed their souls as well as their bellies. Toot Toot.” = One of your very best Dana and there have been many! Thank you! : )
Thank YOU, Catherine! You’re always a bastion of faith and support for all who love our beautiful Church. As always, God bless you and hold you in the palm of His hand.
I prefer Dana’s Little Engine That Could, too. Toot! Toot! No abortion. No paying for contraceptives or lining such people’s pockets. Toot! Toot!
They seem to be getting enough from the government, so they surely do not need our money, Fr. Karl. I am sure Francis and Bob One would love to pay more taxes to help the poor. So let’s not ruin their fun. I know. I know. I am incorrigible. After all, some of my ancestors threw the first Tea Party over here. Ha! Ha!
It makes sense to me that the largest agencies dealing with the largest group of poor people would be funded to get the word out that affordable insurance is now available to them. Catholic Charities, throughout the state, works with many of the people who are now eligible for insurance coverage. Many are immigrants who don’t understand the system, don’t know it is available, etc.. Affordable health insurance for all people is a good thing, so helping them get it is a good thing.
Bob One, spoken like a true bureaucratic comintern committee member …
@Skai Thank God you are not at the helm of the ship of state.
Skai LOL
Skai, to disagree is one thing. To call someone a communist is carrying it a bit far, would you not agree? There is nothing conservative about the church when it comes to ensuring social justice. It is very much at the cutting edge of working for the betterment of mankind. If one oppose s affordable health care for the poor of our country, how can they call themselves Catholic or American. We are called to form a “more perfect union.” There was once a time when people opposed the end of slavery, opposed equal opportunity for minorities, opposed women voting, etc. Today they oppose good health care for our people. Shame!
Oh please Bob One if we don’t bow down to your social justice we are now on par with agreeing with slavery? the unaffordable health care act was rammed through Congress via means of procedure, bribes and kickbacks. No Bob One I don’t believe forcing me to pay for someone else health is American or Catholic. It is communist types like you that think the government should be in complete control of our lives. Let me ask you how does handing over 1/6 of the entire US Economy to the Federal government make us a more perfect union. This government mind you that cannot balance its books, has $ 17 Trillion in debt and Trillions more in unfunded liabilities. A government that spies on its people, an IRS that is used by the Executive Branch to go after its enemies. How can actually trust this incompetent leviathan to actually deliver health coverage..The problem with you Bob One is that you are from a corrupted generation that trusts government to do that right thing. It will be a great day in America when politician and government bureaucrats make up the majority of those on the unemployment lines…. Lord in heaven how long before the corrupt 60’s generation turns to dust…how long??? Lift this blight from us PLEASE undo the new the deal the great society…
Hey bub, we’re not all aging hippies here, ya know. I was told I was to the right of atilla the hun back in the day and I took it as a compliment. One of your besetting sins, Canisius, is a tendency to see people as symbols rather than real flesh and blood creations made by God in His image. Actually, until you’re able to see each person as someone loved by God, you’re going to become more and more unable to truly love anyone as you get older and more brittle. While you’re young you can still learn to forgive and let your heart soften with love. I love tweaking dem/zombies, but it’s just a device to share an idea. Many people I love and respect are unfortunately caught up in that bibblebabble, rotgut political effluvium, but I pray for them every single day. Try praying for those you think you hate…it’s impossible to hate anyone you’re praying for!
The thing is Dana I detest the 60’s generation and everything it did to this once great republic. It was the types of people like Bob One who spitting on and throwing excrement on Vets coming back from Vietnam. I have fantasy is go back in time to 1968 Democratic convention as a Chicago Cop and get bust the heads of those miserable leftist who proudly waving the flag of North Vietnam. I do not and cannot and will not see them as creatures of God, they are leftist they are Non Servium by their very existence. I don’t intend to live a long life where my bones get brittle I am pretty sure I will be dead before I am 60. If there is any justice in the life the Left will be collectively punished in the fires of Hell when Our Lord comes to pass judgment…Mind you Dana this is same crowd that filled the streets of Paris with blood in 1789, with Reign of Terror and ruled Russia for 70 years..They are all collectively guilty from the Robespierre, to the Kommisars to the leftists college professors they are all guilty…You are right about one thing I do not love many people, why should I, I was hated most of my life by those who were supposed to love me….
Uh, Canisisus. I am straight out of the “hippy” generation, except I never got into any kind of illegal drugs, including marijuana, nor did I practice “free love”. I sinned some, but always had a guilty conscience about it and repented and made amends. The only hippy thing I did was macrame jewelry, curtains and plant and wall hangings. So please do not pray me away too soon. My little grandchildren need me.
To read the “Little Engine That Could” to them.
Anne T. my condolences your generation has a LOT to answer for……I’m sure Christ will forgive you for whatever mistakes you made….
Believe me, throwing excrement at Vets was never one of my sins as one of my brothers-in-law was in the Marines over there, and my husband and other men in his and my family had been in many branhces of the military. There was at least one man in my family, though, who was shouting, “Hell no, we won’t go” as he threw molintov cocktails according to what one relative told me, so I do know what chaos it all caused. By the way, I still do not buy Jane Fonda stuff or go to her movies. She had no business going to North Vietnam.
Oops! “branches” of the military.
Jane Fonda should have been executed without trial for high treason…end of story
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and supports ducks, the chances are that it is a DUCK (Communist)!
Viva Cristo Rey!
May God have Mercy on America!
Kenneth M. Fisher
AnneT, I loved your comments. (grin) My grandchildren need me too…I’m not ready to be made into soylent green yet. ‘You’re eating people!’ eeek. It’s difficult for people to understand, especially when my parents’ generation are now called the ‘greatest’ generation…but back in the thirties, alot of our parents were really liberal, and worshipped Roosevelt and all those government handouts and it was them who raised the hippie generation. My dad, who was in the CCC’s in Oregon, said that we were really close to having a communist revolt back then because people were hungry and desperate. I remember the dump at the end of the street being full of antique furniture that that age group threw out because it was ‘old junk’. Everything had to be modern, new and improved and all those corny old ideas were thrown to the wayside. They were the generation that loved maroon polyester pants worn with white shoes on the men and the women in industrial strength polyester pants suits with beehive hairdos, gag, and fake wood paneling and Guy Lombardo, for pete’s sake! Anne, it was our generation that brought back traditions like spinning and weaving, arts and crafts and folk music. I don’t apologize for anything. I was against the Vietnam war because it was a big scam to make Johnson’s buddies rich and though I never was in a protest, I grieved for the young men in my generation who lost their lives and became drug addicts for NO reason. It was my generation that voted for Ronald Reagan (my dad couldn’t stand him) and brought back authenticity from the plastic worshipping previous generation. There are always many sides to any story, and I can assure you that it was my generation which stopped the tearing down of small towns in urban renewal projects, and brought back a desire for tradition and preserving things before they were lost. We brought back nursing our babies and having them at home or in a more humane way, and a thousand other things that people take for granted. We were constantly having to confront the older generation because they were in this mindset of the Roosevelt new world order. I think my generation is getting dumped on because the history books are being rewritten and someone has to take the bullet. Jane Fonda, by the way, is like 76 yr. old and is NOT a boomer by any means. She’s a neurotic little rich girl that reflects the angst of every era…Barbarella sex kitten in the sixties, ardent anti-war activist in the 70’s, work out-aholic guru in the 80’s and now the 70 is the new 40 plasticsurgery reinvented aging barbiedoll . From soup to nuts, from barbarella to geriatric barbie, she’s just a sign of the times…she isn’t part of any generation but marches to the drumbeat of the zeitgeist. If you peeled her skin away, you’d find a stepford wife.
Of course it would make sense to you Bob One, your government is your god
The headline is a bit off: The grant is to help low-income families and reduce the cost of running emergency rooms, not “to help Obamacare.”
Linked to the linked story is another one about a study to evaluate why so many low-income patients use emergency rooms rather than outpatient clinics. One reason is the obvious one, that since they have no insurance the outpatient clinics won’t serve them. But also: “outpatient care was more likely to have longer wait times and be less accessible via transportation. Emergency care, on the other hand, could be accessed by ambulance and was described as a ‘one-stop shop’ for services… we have built a health care system that incentivizes [low-income patients] to wait and get sick in order to get care that is more costly to society.”
Since outpatient services are way cheaper than emergency room services, this could save a lot of money. It depends on whether Catholic Charities and the other funded organizations can convince low-income families to sign up and use Medicaid at clinics rather than emergency rooms.
Oh Francis, why bother with facts and reason? This is CCD, after all!
YFC:
The moderator passed my comment, even though I was (and still am!) critical of his headline. There’s still integrity here.
I actually just meant to try to bring a bit of humor into our discussion . It’s just my way of disbursing the power of labeling people such as calling them homophobic because they believe what the Bible says. It is interesting how we all interpret various comments . Perhaps I err in giving people too much credit but I always assumed that there wasn’t a person writing here who doesn’t ponder the first and last things frequently and with penitent hearts. I find your remarks puzzling. I’m truly sorry if I hurt your feelings with my joking, Francis. I’ll give you a wide berth in future, fear not! I do enjoy a good laugh (especially at myself as I often do the dumbest things) but not everyone has the same sense of humor. Anyway, I wish you well, also!
Obamacare is demonic activism disguised as universal insurance that will feed millions of Mexican unborn into the Planned Parenthood woodchipper all in the name of achieving the American Dream.
Dotty, please remind me to tell you the story of the Good Samaritan.
So called YFC,
In the first place why don’t you truly identify yourself as a homosexual?
In the second place I’ll bet that Dotty could tell you a great deal about the “Good Samaritan”!
In the third place, the Good Samaritan was just that, he did not use stolen government money (taxes) to do it for him, he gave from his own purse, you should know that!
May God have mercy on your compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Dear so Called Kenneth:
In the first place, this conversation has nothing to do with homosexuality.
In the second place, Dotty disparages those who want to help those less fortunate, and in the Third place, taxes are not stolen, they are levied.
So, Dear Kenneth, why don’t you truly identify yourself as a homophobe?
YFC: No thanks. I don’t care to hear your dopey version of the Good Samaritan story any more than Hilary Clinton’s or the legion (and I use that word deliberately) of politicians who use that parable to justify their viral message.
Homophobe: made up term by the homo-sex left to insults opponents who do not agree with their perverting of society… Sorry YFC NO ONE HERE is buying the garbage you are selling….
OH NO!!!!!!! We’re all homophobes and we’re all gonna die. EEEEEEKK!!! The sky is falling! Someone call the cops! What’s that on the ceiling?? Oh,no!! IT”S A (GASP_WHEEEZE) ….the room is just crawlin’ with ’em!! Homophobes, everywhere, pant pant…call YFC somebody, tell him, gasp, it’s too late…all over, pal. The homophobes….ah, I’m gonna miss ya buddy…got me. (clutches chest, falls to floor)
Dana:
I don’t know you personally, and I don’t go in for simplistic dualities like homophobe/homophile. Jesus didn’t tell us not to be racist or anti-semitic or homophobic; he told us not to judge others, lest we ourselves be judged. Based on what you write, it would nevertheless seem that the facts are:
1) Yes, you will die. Guaranteed.
2) You will be judged.
Prayer and the sacraments will definitely help you deal with the first issue. Prayer and the sacraments might also help you with the second issue, if you allow God to do for you what you can’t do for yourself. Getting out in the world and meeting some new people might also help you with the second issue.
Whatever you choose, I wish you the best.
so called YFC,
Why call myself so called Kenneth, when that is my name? Is your name “Your Fellow Catholic”?
Homophobe is a classification your people made up. Am I afraid of the damage that is being done to society by you sodomites, YES! More concerned than afraid.
Leave it to you a love of government to call the theft of taxation a levy just like you call the same thievery “investments”!
May God have mercy on your self compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Exactly a month ago I posted a formulation of Godwin’s rule for CCD, and here we have it’s demonstration in action. Anyone wanting to know more about Godwin’s rule can look-it-up on Wikipedia.
As any CCD discussion grows longer, the probability of the gay agenda getting dragged into it approaches unity.
And, a corresponding principle: The first person or group to connect an issue to gay rights or CCC 2357 through 2359 closes the thread and loses the argument, whatever it is.
So basically, Anonymous/Kenneth has triggered the rule (there may be others as well; I doubt that he’s the lone goat), and we can now all stop concerning ourselves with Obamacare. Anybody interested in relevant discussion of health care issues or the Church’s mission will just have to wait for the editor open a similar topic on a new thread.
Yes, it’s called trolling.
Francis is too modest, folks. Actually, he’s written a brilliant and insightful, easy-to-understand , concise and entertaining book called ‘obamacare for dummies’ that promises to make health care and socialism a snap to understand. Beautifully bound in manilla folders with heavy duty paperclip binding, the wealth of information to be found between these sturdy covers will please even the most discerning obama affectionado. With Bold Face helvetica type throughout printed on #2 high acid wood fibre paper, this 10,000 page collection of wit, whimsy and sheer brilliance is sure to be a big hit on the flypaper circuit. The NYT is calling it the next big (reeeeeally big) obamabummersummer. Free rubber thumbs for easy page skimming and a wheeled trolly for easy maneuverability, this promises to be the final word on life in general. Buy now for only $599.49. It will pay for itself in prescriptions alone.
Francis,
Why don’t you quote the rest of that Scriptural passage or doesn’t it fit your agenda. Here it is by memory: “for as you have judged others, so shall ye be judged” That means, don’t be a hypocrite and judge others for those things you yourself do!
I have a Pastoral letter written by a highly respected orthodox Catholic Bishop that says almost exactly what I have written above!
May God have mercy on your soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Kenneth:
I am grateful for your prayer on my behalf. Likewise, may the Lord show you his face and bring you peace.
Perhaps you are accustomed to reading Matthew’s version at 7:1? Does Luke’s Gospel at 10:37-38 feel unfamiliar to you, where Jesus says “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and there will be gifts for you: a full measure, pressed down, shaken together, and overflowing, will be poured into your lap; because the standard you use will be the standard used for you.”
Reading that passage, even silently to myself, makes my bleeding heart soar! Our Lord’s words don’t sound so good for the homophobe/homophile duality. “Do not judge” and “do not condemn” don’t serve an agenda that would elevate “homophobes” or “gender normatives” over “homophiles” or “gender variants” any more than they would serve an agenda that might prefer “Christian” over “Muslim” or “welfare recipient” over “taxpayer.”
You will hear it this Sunday if you go to Mass.
Thanks Bob One, but Dotty Day is not interested in hearing the dopey Gospel. Hearing the Good News is for someone else, apparently.
TLM folks will hear the parable of the unjust steward, which seems appropos as well.
Dotty, I love your purple prose! You go girl, and you’re soooooo right. You know you’ve said something true when our handwringing, weeping cassandras take the elitist pose, with hands on brow, and with exaggerated superiority, apropos of nothing bur invariably with an ad hominem , sly attack on your credibility and in an effort to make you appear like a yahoo redneck they quote a parable of Christ or some overused banal quote to appear above the fray and so weary of such plebeian discussions. I keep waiting for a substantive and relevant idea to spring forth from their proverbial lips that would reinforce their self-perceived superiority, but alas, it’s like waiting for the other shoe to drop…we shall wait in vain, Dottie!
Dana,
They don’t ever quote the whole passage, only the part that fits their agenda!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Kenneth:
Yes, the Good Samaritan story sure fits somebody’s agenda. It might be helpful if you would point out what agenda you’re talking about, and what is the missing part of the passage.
As much as I oppose Obamacare, I cannot agree with DottyDay’s comments about it being demonic activism designed to feed the Mexican unborn into a woodchipper. Providing abortions to mothers of any race is seen by Americans as a medical service available to anyone who wants to be rid of a pregnancy. The fault lies first with the woman seeking the abortion, who is asking the system to please kill her baby. We disagree with the decision to provide this service, but it is not true to make the irrational claims that Obamacare was designed to kill the Mexican unborn. Falsehoods deplete our position, which is an honorable one.
“We disagree with the decision to provide this service, but it is not true to make the irrational claims that Obamacare was designed to kill the Mexican unborn.”
Gathered in one place, from the Internet, for your entertainment
THE MISADVENTURES OF SHERLOCK HOLMES (1944)
(Ellery Queen, editor)
Sherlock Holmes dies and goes to Heaven. There is a brouhaha. Sherlock Holmes asks St. Peter what seems to be the problem. Apparently, Adam has gone ‘walkabout’ among all the souls. It will take ages to find him. Holmes tracks down Adam, very quickly.
The Lord asks Holmes how he recognized Adam
“Elementary, my dear God, he has no navel.”
Maryanne Leonard, I see that you have absolutely no problem defending Obama’s thoughts. Some of Obama’s decisions have been irrational so why are you suddenly finding the courage to defend Obama’s thoughts on Obamacare instead of defending Church teaching to disobedient clergy? Another red flag. Have you had a private conversation with Obama regarding abortion? How do you know what he thinks regarding the killing of the Mexican unborn. Do you think that other abortion advocates were lying when they plotted to kill un born children from Mexico?
Maryanne, Is your cover evaporating? I surely hope not. It would speak to the reason why there is such a well deserved level of distrust for those who do not vigorously uphold “all ” Church teaching. Some of your posts are now coming across as plants for something else besides the fullness of truth contained in the teachings of the Catholic Church. You have chosen to remain silent on what issues you find the Catholic Church lacking in their treatment of women. You do have the right to remain silent but you do not have the special privilege of not being questioned when you are calling yourself a “Catholic feminist” while making strategically veiled potshots at the Catholic Church’s treatment of women and then expect readers to not ask you to clarify what you are suggesting, especially after you have canonized a disobedient priest. You also found it necessary to ask YFC what the homosexual community felt about Cardinal Mahony and the homosexual sex abuse scandals. That is the same as asking bank robbers how they feel when another bank robber gets caught. Also the way you handled MarkfromPA’s discussing your life on an anti-Catholic website was very odd and strange to say the least. Something is very fishy Watson! What is going on Maryanne?
A Matter of Honor – Christian University Honors MD Who Invented Assembly Line Abortion
FEBRUARY 1, 2013 10:49 AM5 COMMENTS
In 2010, La Sierra University, a Seventh-day Adventist liberal arts institution in Southern California, named its “Financial Literacy and Entrepreneurship Center” after notorious abortion provider Edward C. Allred. Allred, a 1964 graduate of Loma Linda University Medical School, has achieved legendary status in the pro-life community for his frank comments in a 1980 interview with the San Diego Union. (The full article, entitled “Doctor’s Abortion Business is Lucrative” is available here.)
In the article, Allred described how he was able perform more abortions, more quickly, in a more cost-effective manner. In addition to eliminating pre-abortion psychiatric counseling, Allred’s doctors would spend no more than 5 minutes per procedure by “eliminating needless patient-physician contact.”
According to the article, “The secret of the clinics’ efficiency, Allred said, is ‘giving everyone one job to do and then making them an expert at it.’”
Allred described how clinic buses would pick up “planeloads of women” who flew to California from states where it was difficult to obtain abortion procedures.
Allred’s motivation for starting the clinics is also quite interesting. Rather than summarize, I will simply include the following paragraphs from the Union article:
Allred said he was interested in population control even before he went into the abortion business. He said he and his wife decided 20 years ago to have no children and never regretted the decision. He suffers the controversy surrounding abortion without apparent turmoil (“It’s inevitable”) and refuses to debate the morality (“I’m not a philosopher.”)
“Population control is too important to be stopped by some right-wing pro-life types,” Allred said. “Take the new influx of Hispanic immigrants. Their lack of respect for democracy and social order is frightening. I hope I can do something to stem that tide; I’d set up a clinic in Mexico for free if I could. Maybe one in Calexico would help. The survival of our society could be at stake.”
Eliminating welfare would be a good step toward population control, Allred said.
“The Aid to Families with Dependent Children program is the worst boondoggle ever created,” he said. “When a sullen black woman of 17 or 18 can decide to have a baby and get welfare and food stamps and become a burden to all of us, it’s time to stop. In parts of South Los Angeles having babies for welfare is the only industry the people have.”
If the state eliminates Medi-Cal funding for abortions, Allred said his clinics might continue giving free abortions to poor women “for the social good.”
Allred is also listed as the physician on duty at the failed abortion of Gianna Jessen in 1977 who was born alive after her mother underwent an attempted saline abortion. She suffers cerebral palsy, but has become an outspoken anti-abortion advocate and dedicated Christian, specifically lobbying for legislation signed by George W. Bush in 2002 that outlawed the killing of abortion survivors by strangulation, suffocation, discarding the living fetus, or leaving it to die. (See GiannaJessen.com)
Allred, who had made millions through is abortion clinics, sold his chain of clinics in 2005 to another graduate of Loma Linda University. Allred also bought the Los Alamitos Racetrack and in the past decade lobbied to change state law in order to have Vegas-style slot machines brought to the track to help increase revenue.
Oh GOOD GOD, we are now quoting Sherlock Holmes as scripture. Please deliver us, oh lord.
Wow, YFC, if you thought that was what Catherine was doing, I can see why you struggle with logic in our discussions here. Her little story was a literary device, rather like Jesus used parables, to explain difficult concepts to the uneducated and clueless. It really works for those who are not spiritually blind and have eyes to see. Alas, for others, who shall remain nameless, their college educations too often act as innoculations in preventing true wisdom from taking root.
Well, Maryanne, all I can say is you’ve forgotten the aims of Mgt.Sanger and her merry crew of eugenicists then if you do not think abortions are racially inspired. Or perhaps you never read of Lila Rose and her activists calling PP and saying they would only donate money if it were used to abort black babies, and PP was totally okay with that…or check out the statistics as to where abortion clinics are and who has the majority of abortions, etc. You’re only kidding yourself. Dotty was just using a really strong image of what is actually taking place. You don’t have to believe it, because even if you did, it would be vociferously denied by the woodchippers. They’re only making mulch.
DottyDay: I would say it’s “ethnic cleansing” and it’s jut not Mexicans that will be targeted. My biology teacher once told us, “Them that has, gets. If you no have, you no get.” It’s all about money….blood money, exploitation of the poor. Lord, help us!
Actually, you can add the middle class to your list, All4Him…they’re after the lot of us and as the rich get richer, the rest of us not only get poorer, but more disenfranchised and invisible. We vote to pass laws, and some greasy lawyer posing as a judge says it’s not constitutional. We try to elect representatives and the corrupt and greedy press undermines and abuses our candidates. We are losing our voice. We are losing our country. I think we passed the tipping point in the last election and the zombies are pretty deeply entrenched now. With God, all things are possible. As we become weaker may God grow stronger in our hearts and minds so we lean more and more on Him. It is not men we need fear “for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms”, as Paul wrote to the Ephesians.
A mystic during one of the World Wars, was asked about what would become of America? The mystic’s response: God will bring her to her knees! Pray, Pray, Pray! Don’t forget to speak up. I agree, we are losing our voices as Roman Catholics in America. It is a most heated spiritual battle; yet we have victory in The Cross. St. Paul continues in Ephesians 6:13 “Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect. ” The question is are we ready to fight the good fight, or are we too complacent with a comfortable lifestyle?
Have Archbishop Cordileone, and the Vatican, released any statements regarding this HORROR, of Catholic Charities?? And what are faithful churchgoers to do– with their regular tithes?? Give up?? Or WHAT?? Just what do they expect us all to do??
The Archbishop is on the Board of Catholic Charities.
What is the HORROR? Catholic Charities received a grant to help people become familiar with and get affordable health insurance, that is all. They didn’t steal the money, etc. They applied for a grant and received it. Why would they not do that to help our fellow citizens?
Linda Marie,
No, but the Holy Father is taking inventory of the luxury car driving priests and Vatican City employees in the Vatican parking lot. Hopefully he is doing that as cover and is really investigating the homoheresy lobby by planting listening devices in their cars for a big sting operation!
Susanne – Sounds like a great hollywood movie. Dan Brown, I hope you are taking notes!
“The nice people do not come to God, because they think they are good through their own merits or bad through inherited instincts. If they do good, they believe they are to receive the credit for it; if they do evil, they deny that it is their own fault. They are good through their own good heartedness, they say; but they are bad because they are misfortunate, either in their economic life or through an inheritance of evil genes from their grandparents. The nice people rarely come to God; they take their moral tone from the society in which they live. Like the Pharisee in front of the temple, they believe themselves to be very respectable citizens. Elegance is their test of virtue; to them, the moral is the aesthetic, the evil is the ugly. Every move they make is dictated, not by a love of goodness, but by the influence of their age. Their intellects are cultivated—in knowledge of current events; they read only the bestsellers, but their hearts are undisciplined. They say that they would go to church if the Church were only better—but they never tell you how much better the Church must be before they will join it. They sometimes condemn the gross sins of society, such as murder; they are not tempted to these because they fear the opprobrium which comes to them who commit them. By avoiding the sins which society condemns, they escape reproach, they consider themselves good par excellence.”
― Fulton J. Sheen
oooh. That was excellent, Abeca. Thank you soooo much! Bishop Sheen, pray for us!
Thank you Dana and Janet as well I know she appreciated another of his quotes as well from another article. He really did a great job at communicating the truth…..I really enjoy learning more about him and his teachings….
lets spread the word about him and what he taught…..I feel that his way of communicating may actually even reach out to our youth. God bless you….well I am out of town..I am attending the Catholic Conference in Ontario, CA….we are grateful that I was able to make it and I pray for the opportunity to also pass through San Francisco and sprinkle holy water there…blessings to all.
St. Thomas Aquinas stated that forcibly taking money from one person to give to another is theft. Government takes money from the taxpayers through the threat of force. Our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ told us to help the poor. He did not say ask the government to do it.
John F:
Jesus did not forbid using government to help the poor either!
As for Thomas, I feel exasperated that this fable about “taking money from one person to give to another is theft” keeps coming up, because it isn’t true.
What Thomas actually wrote to the topic is: “It is no robbery if princes exact from their subjects that which is due to them for the safe-guarding of the common good, even if they use violence in so doing…” from the Summa Theologica, part II, 2, question 66, article 9. Feeding the poor is part of the common good as understood by the Church, witness Matt 10:8. Please refer to reliable Catholic resources and quit putting things on Thomas that are contrary to Catholic teaching.
Francis;
From A Tour of the Summa, by Paul J. Glenn, Imprimatur +Josep E. Ritter, S.T.D. , Archbishop of St. Louis – Sept. 26, 1960. IIa IIae, 32 Almsdeeds, 7: “Almsdeeds are to be given out of the donor’s own property. To use the surplus of a rich neighbor to relieve the needy, is to be guilty of theft. The goods of others are not ours to dispose of without their direction or permission.” Your accusation that this is contrary to Catholic teaching is false! Calumny!
John, it is good that you have provided the source of your interpretation of the Summa. Now we can look at it more carefully and clarify true Catholic philosophy for you and others who have been deceived by this very pernicious idea that “taxes are theft.”
I don’t have a copy of Msgr. Glenn’s book, and it is apparently not available on-line other than through the web site from which you apparently copied and pasted. There is, however, much more to the Summa than what appears on that web site. The full Summa is easily available in English translation at newadvent.org, a reliable Catholic source. Let’s have a careful look to understand what the real Thomas wrote.
If you were to look up your quoted article at newadvent, you would find the section title authentically rendered into English as Whether one may give alms out of ill-gotten goods? Reading Thomas’s original makes it clear that this section does not in any way support your counter-Catholic position that taxes are ill-gotten goods, and in fact supports the true Catholic position. If you look carefully at Thomas’s examination of Article 7, he gives these examples of ill-gotten money: plunder in war, usury, simony and prostitution. None of these are remotely connected with taxation or the legitimacy of princes and states to collect them. The final comment to article 7 states: All things are common property in a case of extreme necessity. Hence one who is in such dire straits may take another’s goods in order to succor himself, if he can find no one who is willing to give him something. For the same reason a man may retain what belongs to another, and give alms thereof; or even take something if there be no other way of succoring the one who is in need.
The following article addresses “the goods of others” you referred to, and it has to do with executorship or stewarship over another’s property. It is in no way related to taxation.
Thomas demonstrated that taxes to pay for the common good are not theft in question 66, article 9 to which I earlier directed your attention.
Francis, I own the book. Please stop making assumptions. Depending on the government to help the poor does very little to help the poor. Statistics show that by the time taxpayers’ money gets to the agency that will disburse it to the poor, 65% is gone. It was taken to pay other government agencies. By the time it’s given to the poor maybe 25% is left. Again, our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ told you and I to give the the poor. He didn’t tell us to expect the government to do it. Furthermore, I refuse to believe that Saint Thomas Aquinas was a socialist. In other words, that he promoted, “From each according to his ability, to each according to their needs”.
John:
Socialism, corporations, republican government and the other products of modernism did not exist in Europe during the 13th century. Thomas could not be a socialist, nor could he be a capitalist nor a Protestant; those categories did not exist. Therefore the question of whether or not “Saint Thomas Aquinas was a socialist” is as incongruous as asking what model of iPhone he used. What is clear, however, is that Thomas and the entire Catholic tradition before and since do not regard ownership of property in a way that is compatible with American capitalism nor with the American individualist mindset.
My argument and my outrage are not about the efficiency of government as a means to alleviating poverty; they are about you and others claiming Thomas (of all people!) in support of modernist free-market capitalism when in fact his writing and thought as I have quoted directly for you are completely contradictory to such an idea.
If you want me to “stop making assumptions” you’d better tell us what you think my assumptions are. Your assumption seems to be that godless socialism and soulless individualistic corporatism that we call “capitalism” are the only possible choices. It’s time to wake up to the true nature of our own tradition and realize that it fits neither model.
John:
One more comment regarding assumptions: If we had a perfectly functioning Utopian socialist economy where everyone’s material needs were taken care of, that still would not absolve me of the obligation to care for the poor, because poverty cannot be measured in purely material terms. Even if I were paying taxes to the point of living off food stamps, still I would be obligated to care for the poor by whatever means remain available to me, by service to the Church, by volunteering, donating from my garden or whatever. I hope that answers your point that “our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ told you and I to give the the poor.”
Francis: “safe-guarding of the common good, even if they use violence in so doing” I really would love for some government thugs to try this with me
It’s tax slavery, John. The government robs us of our free will to decide if and what we will give and why. As our gov’t continues to grow like the big red wobbling jello mountain called “The Blob” it leaves a slimy trail in its wake as it consumes farms, villages and whole cities as it absorbs everything in its path. Our government is nothing but a monstrous slug. I can’t decide which image I prefer…blob or slug?
Dana, you’re getting close to understanding govt taxation in our time. A. the primary benefit to the govt that taxation provides is control over what the public can buy, control over which sectors, even which individuals can buy. B. the govt can create money as long as there there is an expanding market, and presently this is the global market. C. These are the two things that it’s about: The two things being Caesar and God, as always. God gives us freedom, Caesar attenuates our freedom. Is this good or is it bad? Depends on how holy the society happens to be. An unholy society such as ours today increases its toys while decreasing its substance, more yeast and less nutrition in the bread.
Dear John:
Render unto Ceasar’s what is Caesars.
Besides which, we all elected to live under an American Constitution, which recognizes the right of the state to tax its citizens. Theft is the ILLEGAL taking of funds. Taxation is something that YOUR constitution allows. If you don;t like it, work to change it. Or LEAVE.
YFC:
Now you’ve really got my dander up, telling John to LEAVE if he doesn’t like it. Because that’s usually the trad line: “Read the CCC and shape up like it’s 1955, or get out.” I’ve noticed that many comments directed at you, my truly fellow Catholic, are abominations by any legitimate Catholic standard.
But telling obstinate sinners to leave isn’t the Catholic way, any more than John’s crap about “Aquinas says taxation is theft” or Dana’s utterly pathetic “tax slavery” self-victimization, or Suzanne’s “what the pope is really doing” fantasizing or Dottie Day’s “healthcare for poor people is demonic activism” lunacy or Catherine’s Gospel of Conan-Doyle or the bizarre concept that CC signing up poor people for health insurance must surely constitute direct participation in eugenics.
Like you (per what you write), I’m tired of people who treat the faith as if it were nothing more than a bunch of stupid ideas apparently formulated by the Koch brothers. It may seem as if the “right wingers” live on a pre-rational and peculiarly counter-Catholic planet that is foreign to Catholic tradition and indeed the mainstream of America. But they are as reliable as the sunrise, and as sincere as the Lord’s Prayer. The Church is all of us, not just an elect few.
My suggestion was to leave the United States, not the Church. Dander down, my friend :)
YFC, I gave up a chunk of my life and some body parts defending this country. Don’t you EVER tell me to leave!
YFC, you’ve got it bass ackwards. It’s the gays who need to pack up and hit the road. Or at least stay within the boundaries of your Sodom by the Sea City, and leave the rest of the real estate to the rest of us. You can then rename your city the “Gaytto”.
Thank you for your service john
The Constitutional contract issue comes to a head right here, between the dreams of YFC and the natural law of John Feeney. The only example in modern times that demonstrates how the idealism of YFC has been carried out can be read up in the three volume set by Alexander Solzhenitzen, entitled Gulag Archipeligo. The Soviet experiment violated natural law, and eventually after a hard fought war, the winner turned out to be natural law: A pound of flesh always defeats a galaxy of ideas, blood is thicker than wine.
“Dander down” is gay, YFC.
YFC, funny you should tell us to leave! You’ve presented the perfect lead in for a what I think might be a good solution for some…and so, apparently does Catholic Vote, and for anyone interested, they have put together a list of the five top spots in the world for faithful Catholics to escape to as this country becomes more antithetical to religion and morality. https://www.catholicvote.org/what-are-catholics-to-do-here-are-the-top-5-places-for-voluntary-exile/
Fortunately, for those of us who, because of health issues, economic insolubility or family ties can’t catch the last plane or boat in time to flee this sinking monolith in its gradual decline into sin and despair, we can still find joy and strength from the sacraments, prayer and Catholic community…and our families, of course. God will never leave us or forsake us.
Interesting article Dana
Malta, here I come a truly Catholic country… HOMOSEXUALS are NOT WELCOMED
YFC, robotic lie: “we all elected to live under an American Constitution”. Yeah, maybe, but remember, YFC, a signing party without complete understanding is not necessarily bound by the contract; also, all contracts are two ways … when the govt side of the contract breaks faith, then it voids the contract. If you think into this, you should be able to comprehend that presently there are not a whole lot of alleged citizens of the USA who are bound in any way to what you present as the contract. Nor is much of the govt bound by it, which should be obvious by its rulings especially in recent decades.
Yep, YFC, you’re totally way absolutely right on korrekt as always and this time about taxation … Jesus says give to caesar what is caears, etc. Jesus also says things such as “this night shall be your last” in reference to human greed and selfishnes and lack of mercy. In other words there are divine limitations on what exactly is indeed Caesar’s. YFC, do you believe that even an empire can usurp the divine limitations? You sound like a Nimrod, who built a tower and shot an arrow aimed at the eye of God … but he failed and that is why people like you are referred to as nimrods.
The Church has the obligation, responsibility and command of the Great Commission to make sure we exist in all corners of the world … Jesus is the … the … Light the Shines in the darkness. The Church is mandated by God to exist in the government. We are ‘in” the world, but not “of” the world (Jesus in the voice of St Paul). Caesar must be discipled by the Church, because there is no one else capable of doing it. It takes faith, which is step number one, but yet seems to be the most difficult step to take … Peter stepped onto the water … this is what it means to follow your bishop. But first the bishop must step onto the water … most of them today are ninnies and are afraid of their own shadows, let alone to step into faith. This is what the Pope is calling the bishops to do, so that the Church can get off the sofa and do what Jesus requires of us to do. Someone said, “Let them eat cake”: wasn’t this the USCCB? Pope Francis seems to be saying something different though. So, is the Church tasked by God to decorate with balloons and the icing on cake or to feed the poor and throttle the government?
I would suggest also, brothers and sisters in Christ, that before sharing we pray
Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of Your faithful and kindle in them the fire of Your love.
Send forth Your Spirit and they shall be created
And Thou shalt renew the face of the earth. Amen.
Let us pray
O God, Who taught the hearts of the faithful by the light of the Holy Spirit,
grant that, by the gift of the same Spirit,
we may be always truly wise, and ever rejoice in His consolation.
Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
And remember that satan never sleeps but is powerless against those who invoke the name of Jesus Christ. There may be some here who are not what they seem and you may notice they never use the name of Jesus Christ . Just sayin’.
Yes, Dana. Essential is our need to listen to the Holy Spirit.
Our Diocese development fund supports the efforts of Catholic Charities and is asking for volunteers to help CC sign up parishioners for Obamacare. The Bishop wonders why no one is pledging to the DDF. I’ve also contributed money monthly to CC. That will end as of now. The church has lost it’s moral authority. Hence, it’s teachings are meaningless.
Well, when it all comes around, each person gives to the charities of his/her choice. I just prefer not to get our govenment into more debt by borrowing from China. My husband and I are on low enough income now that we could have had government refinancing of our house. They kept calling us to the point where I just kept hanging up on their automated system. We chose to refinance through a private company, and the interest was just as low or or lower than government refinancing.
And there are no strings attached, telling us to vote for pro abortion and anti traditional family politicians.
those calls are scams Anne.
Now I am off of here. Arguing about this subject is giving me no peace of mind. Please do not address posts to me any more on this article.
Important to send to all Bishops who have Diocese in the STATES that provide ABORTION though OBAMACARE for 2015.
California is one of the States that is particularly egregious.
ABORTION in OBAMACARE
https://www.obamacareabortion.com/
NO CATHOLIC CHARITIES in the States that provide ABORTION through Obamacare may assist is signing people up for Obamacare (Affordable Care Act.)