The following comes from an Oct. 1 story on LifeSiteNews.com.
A bill that was described as a deliberate “attack on parental rights” by its sponsor has been signed into law in California. On Sunday, Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill banning sexual orientation change therapy for minors. It is set to go into effect on January 1, 2013.
In response, the pro-family law firm Liberty Counsel has said it is filing a lawsuit on behalf of counselors, parents and their minor children, and the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality against the legislation.
In signing the bill, Gov. Brown said that sexual orientation change therapy “will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery.” This summer in response to critics who said the bill was an attack on parents rights, the bill’s sponsor State Senator Ted Lieu said: “The attack on parental rights is exactly the whole point of the bill, because we don’t want to let parents harm their children….”
Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel, agrees. “The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs,” he said this week.
The law defines “sexual orientation change efforts” as any practice that is designed to reduce or eliminate same-sex attraction. Critics such as Staver say such broad language will prohibit any counseling that does not affirm and encourage experimentation with or acceptance of same-sex attractions, regardless of whether those feelings and attractions are unwanted by the counselee….
While the bill makes it an ethical violation for any counselor or therapist to engage in it, opponents have argued that if the counselor does not provide the client with such counseling, or at least a referral, upon request, the counselor will also violate their licensing ethical code.
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I expect our governor will next sign a law preventing sex change funding by the state of California. s/
Sadly, many of the therapists who engage in gay conversion therapy are indeed quacks, especially those who utilize the outrageous “cuddle therapy” (more info on Google if you can stand it). These treatments allow some very sick therapists a shot at some new “victims.” It is appropriate that such programs are banned for those under 18. Liberty Counsel is all wet on this one.
Everyday things get a little bit more upside down. What’s next? I will tell you what’s next, the government giving teachers and school counselors the authority to determine what students are gay and lesbians, based maybe on how they are dressed (feminine dressing boys and masculine dressing girls), what interests they have (girls too involved in sports and boys too involved in glee club or drama). Basically they will be measuring the students masculinity and femininity and flag them as gay or lesbian and categorize them as such, and encourage them to follow that path through gay clubs, etc.
Correction: which students, not what students
“In signing the bill, Gov. Brown said that sexual orientation change therapy “will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery.” This summer in response to critics who said the bill was an attack on parents rights, the bill’s sponsor State Senator Ted Lieu said: “The attack on parental rights is exactly the whole point of the bill, because we don’t want to let parents harm their children….”
All you “quackery” parents out there-shape up or we’ll ship you out to the re-education Fema camps.
The new California anthem should be “Moon Beamer”(like the river).
This is despicable! Therapy is meant to help not harm and it clearly shows that the gay community is clearly mind set on it’s sins, so much that they hate anyone who seeks or is trying to get help.
Many a times therapy helps identify any molestation or harm done on a child that caused them to be confused. This bill stops any hope for success for those who truly need it or seek it. They only continue on a destructive path with this bill! Plus there isn’t many choices to begin with, it is a small group who do have therapy to help so why does this law feel so threatened by the small therapist!
This is not America, but it is the new Germany, the Nazi thinking, where people’s rights to choose freely are taken away. How could this be legal? How could a law like this move forward knowing very well our constitution that gives us freedom!
So what are the penalties if one with a formed conscience does not want to follow. I think that parents who are facing these challenges, should just up and move to another state and get the real hope and help that is needed, California is too wicked and evil and run by gay agenda’s!
Abeca,
As a former elected Official, I can easily tell you that the Constitution of the United States, the one our Founding Fathers gave, us has been a dead issue with all Demoncrats and Republicrats.
We can start by challenging all candidates and incumbents to state where they stand on the Constitution vs a so called living Constitution.
We must fight to bring it back with all our prayers and strengths.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
I agree Mr. Fisher…God’s blessings upon you!
where there is a will, there is a way…no law like this has the right to take away a parents love and nurturing that best suits their child!
The media is to blame too, today they had a news that a pastor is having a lawsuit against this bill, the media had a guy give their negative views on why this therapy doesn’t work! He used arguments that only added fear into people! They were so biased, pro for this law that it just made me sick to my stomach! They should of had the people who had this therapy work great for them! It’s a pity that this has to be on trial, having to defend the idea that this law is dead wrong and unconstitutional is an injustice done on the people who value freedom and the right to form their own conscience!
I am NOW more convinced that those who made comments here in the past about the gays wanting access to our kids, is totally true. These laws made those statement a fact and a reality. My heart goes out to all good parents facing these type of challenges, for their rights have been trampled! God have mercy on us all!
Abeca:
Before she was taken off the air, Dr. Laura Schlessinger prophesied that the “end game” of the new hedonism was the legalization of adults having sex with children. Sounds like she was right.
Yes she was correct but towards the end of her career, before she went off the air, she seemed to have been more gay friendlier as time went on. I think that the threats got to her.
Come on Bishops, where are you? Please stop promoting the end of the death penalty when we have more serious issues as these!
Where are your comments! Where are your protest on this law! Before you help the poor, can you please speak up about the sins of homosexual lifestyles! Since this law will not permit therapy, then you must act fast and preach…..they can take away our rights but they will not take away our voice and our soul!
This is envy at it’s best! The gay activist is envious of those who want to seek help and for their potential to obtain it!
I am still shook-en up that they would outlaw this therapy. How far will sodomy and any gay lifestyle go?
We are living wicked times folks…God have mercy on us all!
Wonderful news!!!
for you because you do not choose to give up your homosexuality but how dare you think it is OK to take away that right from others.
The real question is Who Do you love more? Jesus or your homosexuality! This law spells it loud and clear!
Misery loves company.
peter with a lower case “p”, When you face God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorah, will you even dare to say “wonderful news” to HIM?
May God have mercy on your badly compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
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Now it’s time to litigate.
Surely there is some candidate out there seeking to escape the homosexual perversion, whose right to seek assistance in this pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness has been denied by the utterly preposterous Governor Moonbeam?
Surely there exists a law firm somewhere prepared to answer the call?
Come on.
Let’s get busy fighting this dictatorship of homosexualists and their dupes.
Jesuit-educated Jerry Brown is certainly smart enough to know that there is no such thing as “sexual orientation”. There is only sexual disorientation. Signing this bill proves that Brown is one of the more radical proponents of the sodomy lifestyle. He is telling God that Jerry Brown and the corrupt California Legislature know more than He does about the need for healing and repentance.
Laurette,
I seem to remember candidate Moonbeam actually stating the he was in favor of marriage between a man and a woman. Come to think of it, so did the Obamanation!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Brown is the one quacking at the moon.
Leftist use of terms like “dustbin of history” (originally applied by President Reagan to the Communist Eastern Bloc) is rather ironic. Let all of us Catholics remember that an unjust law is no law, and a law that requires parents to let their children proceed into a life of evil, early death and Hell is an unjust law. I am a seventh-grade Religion teacher and I will continue to teach what the Church teaches, which is that all men are called to chastity, those afflicted with SSA included, and that since God does not demand the impossible, the homosexual death-style can be escaped.
In occupied Norway, teachers faced prison and death for refusing to teach Nazi race ideology, and their resistance is honored in museum near Oslo. I will NOT teach state sex ideology. Bring it on, Jerry!
The morning reading in my Magnificat was 1 Cor 10:13, of which your comment reminds me.
Tom Byrne,
I hope and pray that you have an orthodox pastor and bishop, otherwise you will be terminated as a teacher.
I know of at least on couple and good priest from the San Bernadino Diocese that can attest to that.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Tom Byrne you are a real man! A man who loves and honors God! The fear of the Lord is a beautiful gift and it gives man strength and courage to do what is right in God! Praise Be Jesus Christ!
This new law is yet another sign of the post-Christendom era in which we are now living. While there is no such thing as “post-Christian,” nations shaped and governed by Gospel-values (Christendom) have been taken over by a new regime of practical atheism. Obedience to God’s laws is the only true safety. As long as we ourselves remain obedient, we will be safe as the United States around us falls.
Therapy is meant to help not harm . . . Abeca, that’s exactly the point, and why this legislation is good. It prevents the harmful practice of “conversion” therapy. It does not prevent any good therapist from helping anyone to better understand their sexuality and developing a positive sense of self.
peter,
Would you like to buy a bridge?
May God have mercy on your compromised soul!
Kenneth M. Fisher
peter I have to disagree…I know of successful outcomes from such therapies. It’s all in the will. Like a person addicted to drugs, some have committed suicide when they went through withdrawals when going through detox therapy, you don’t see them closing down all those methods or outlawing them.
The success rate is higher than the down fall but many still return to drugs even after therapy, it’s in their free will, they have a choice to continue and persevere with fortitude to give up their addiction…..same applies to homosexuals they have to persevere with fortitude and no law should take away that free choice! This law in wrong and not from a country that preaches freedom!
peter I hope you are reading my comments….
Hey, I happen to live in that dustbin of quackery. This story goes to show the people of God that even if you associate yourself with a holy woman such as Mother Teresa of Calcutta, you can still go off the beam when you deviate from the teachings of the church.
Hosea calls, “Come back to me with all your heart, don’t let your political standing keep us apart…”
OneoftheSheep,
Moonbeam was using Mother Teresa, plain and simple.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
You are correct Peter. This will protect young people from unproven therapies which are recognized as junk science by all major medical and mental health organizations. People shouldn’t have the right to harm their children by exposing them to abuse and quackery. Their lives are too precious for that. Reparative therapy is known to increase the risk of suicide for young people. Being pro-life means protecting the lives of our teens too.
Mark from PA,
Do you really believe the garbage you are trying to put out.
The other day, you almost sounded Catholic. I said “almost” because I have dealth with your kind before and was not really fooled by your religious sounding tones.
You are probably very in favor of Obama so called care, because you believe in letting corrupt government officials make our health care decisions for us. Oh you will probably try to deny it, but your words speaks volumes.
I happen to know persons who went through Reparative Therapy and swear by it.
May God have mercy on your soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mr. Fisher, I sounded Catholic because I am Catholic. I was baptized into the faith as an infant and confirmed at the age of 10. I attended 12 years of Catholic school and am an active member of my parish, which I have belonged to for over 40 years. I haven’t missed Mass in over 30 years so it is no surprise if I sound Catholic. You speak of persons who went through reparative therapy. Perhaps they were bisexual and this was helpful to them. If adults want this therapy that is there choice but children should not be forced into it. Major medical and mental health organizations have found such therapies to be harmful to young people and in the worst cases can lead to suicide. As a pro-life activist you surely would want to protect young people from suicide.
Mark from PA: What right does the state have to determine what is best for children? I will not allow the Church to dictate what is best for my children’s welfare, for their eternal soul as I am the one entrusted by God to protect them and guide them. This law does more than prevent a parent from taking their child to a psychologist such as Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, but prevents parents from taking their child to a priest for spiritual guidance if they have any inclination towards same sex desire. What you are advocating is not only the allowance of sin, but the state passing legislation to propagate homosexual activity. Mark, your concept of being pro-life is skewed for being pro-life is not only about preserving our earthly life, but is geared toward the eternal life. A life of debauchery and eternity in hell is not life Mark and is not a Catholic concept. God Love You.
MD, I think that the state does have a right to protect children from things that could be harmful. This law says nothing about people seeking guidance from priests. Protecting children from harmful therapies is not encouraging people in debauchery. It is sobering to me to think that some people realize that if some kids commit suicide due to such therapies that this is acceptable “collateral damage.” I recognize that some people don’t really think it is that bad a thing to have a few less gay people on the earth. Having young persons learn to respect themselves and accept their sexuality is not “advocating the allowance of sin.” It is not a sin for a young person to have a homosexual orientation.
Mark from PA: First, this law does in fact make it illegal to bring a minor with same sex attraction to a priest for counseling/spiritual direction. You don’t admit this because you refuse to admit that this law is not set to protect the safety of people with same sex attraction, but was conceived to promote the ideology of homosexual activity as “normal.” Mark, this is the outright promotion of a sinful behavior. Reparitive therapy has been extremely successful, hence the reason why the homosexual community rejects is so staunchly. To say this law protects children is an outright lie Mark. This law does nothing to teach children about the dignity of human sexuality as God planned it and delies the life-giving design of the human anatomy. God Love you.
Kenneth M. Fisher – Ask these same “reparative therapy” survivors if they still have SSA. If they say no, they are either liars or never had it to begin with.
peter you speak for your self. You have no right to impose your homosexual views on others..the men that have left that lifestyle, one said to me that it is something that haunts him, he was horny and didn’t mind trying different forms of sex, he was kinky and loved men more but the big difference is that now he knows that God did not make him that way, he has actually grew close to Christ and feels sorry that once he was blind but now he sees. That is what one told me.
Another one shared that he chose God’s plan for him and he just remained single and chaste. He may have that disorder but he now chooses not to embrace it. He said that there are few times that something triggered it, he learned what those things were and it took years of the unknowing that almost destroyed him but he is thankful that Christ saved him…..he just had to make the first step and went forward and still to this day (It’s been for him about 20 years) he remains chaste and lives God’s plan for his life and attends daily mass. He also votes against anything that breaks God’s commandments! He disagrees with changing the definition of marriage, if you talked to him, he would tell you many awesome perspectives. He is good. Also a few are now happily marraide. God bless all homosexuals who honor God and secretly live their disorder in private with God and continue to be chaste and obey and be faithful to God!
peter, those who leave the sodomy lifestyle are no longer homosexual. What difference does it make if they continue to have same sex attraction? The point is not the temptation, but the rejection of it and the welcoming of Christ and His way of life. St Paul explained it by saying that among the Catholics there were those who (past tense) were effeminate or were homosexuals. You must believe, peter, that you have more power and authority than does God; for, you believe that your decisions to engage in sin are more potent than God’s ability to keep you from it. Humble yourself and confess that God is almighty.
peter I think that perhaps this law is envious, it comes from folks who do not want to leave their homosexual lifestyles and it envies anyone who so tries to leave it. Remember it is in the will of the person, just because you lack t apply that will, it does not mean that it can not miraculously come by for others.
Oh yes JLS 100%
he is right I mean to add
But I’ll settle for an eye roll in your general direction.
peter with a lower case “p”, Some of those I know and know of will tell you that they no longer have SSA, some will tell you that they still have the attractions but have learned for the love of God to suppress them, either way they are a heck of lot better off in the eyes of God than you who accept or protect or are one of those with SSA.
May God have mercy on your poorly compromised soul,
Kenneth M. Fisher
peter, you’ve gone and lost it, dude! Your post does not even make sense … eggroll in someone’s direction??
Folks we need your prayers and support. I don’t know about other states but I’m sure there are worst things going on there too but right now our parental rights, which are not protected ones, are under huge attack! This state treats all parents as if they are incompetent and as if they are bad parents, while there are cases that it may be so, but most parents actually love and care for their children.
I am saddened because Well Fargo was very disrespectful. There were some of their reps. who go to college fairs and try to get students to apply for student loans and even get them to open accounts with them. They some how tricked my child into giving them her personal information, they in turn opened an account without her consent and when we tried to call, they refused to talk to us the parents. When we called their main office, the person on the other side, even called my daughter Ma’am over and over, I corrected her and said she is a minor, she is only 17. She still called her ma am. They said we are not talking to you, only her. It was so ugly that I was upset at my child for putting us through this but she was actually influenced to give them info, while all she wanted was information on student loans. I wasn’t there so I don’t know the whole thing but it was an uncomfortable feeling. Wells Fargo should of been a little bit more polite to the parent, another rep. told us that in California our child did not need permission. I told them fine but she did not request to open an account. Well my daughter goofed by giving them her personal info, I hope she learns a lesson. I also learned a reality check that parents who have younger kids, I being one, will have to really be careful that their kid doesn’t place their family in a predicament where the child will rebel and choose the legal system to help them undermine their authority. The way things are, any child can be taken advantage of, like they tried with my daughter. I never knew it was going to be a hard thing to raise my children today. I am very discouraged. I don’t care if you raise your children well, kids are kids and they will rebel if that is in their temperament to do so, leaving parents disrespected. I guess kids have to learn the hard way and parents have to give up their rights to laws and their governing agencies. God have mercy! JUST REMEMBER that a mum is like a lion, a mum will get protective of her cubs and sometimes we won’t like how our tone of voice may come out because we feel that our authority was undermined by outside forces..depending what it is, if its immoral we mums who care can only do what we can.
Abeca, maybe there is a parents’ group that looks into these sorts of issues, college financing, financial traps, etc. Maybe you could start one.
Thank you JLS, I wish I had the energy and time but I am already outspent, but the prayers always are a blessing.
JLS is right, Abeca. The only way to defend yourselves from future intrusions is to organize or join a parents’ group! That is just disgusting. I’ve heard so many negative stories about WF bank that that doesn’t surprise me a bit! I would definitely call the manager of that bank and tell them that b=a=n=k does not have any authority over ANY individual, let alone a child, and that the law says your daughter is a child until 18 and point out how ridiculous it is to call a child ma’am. Also, please explain to them that ANY female hates to be called ma’am until she’s at least 65 and that they’d be wise to change their ridiculous practice if they want to stay in business. I personally would NEVER use that bank. There is a website on the safest banks, and with the internet, you don’t have to be forced to use a local bank. I’ll keep praying for your family Abeca…God bless you!
Thanks Dana. I don’t know if there is a parents group but I fear that perhaps some of those parents probably saw this a harmless, It’s hard to find like minded parents in my area, if they are there, they are not in a parents group, I guess I haven’t found one maybe it is out there but haven’t found it. Wells Fargo Reps. were on the John Paul the great day of orientation or that weekend, from what i gather.
I think that the mentality all over is that they are young adults at 17 but what I don’t get is why all this “don’t let the parents know.”….that is what makes me question their integrity.
After reading today’s post on Swartzenegger , it got me wondering why pseudo-Catholic, pro-same-sex-so-called marriage (this is straining my typing skills!) liberal and pro-abortion governors do so well in California? Could it be that Cal. voters like to convince themselves that they’re voting in someone who ‘believes’ in God and yet approves every sin they ever committed or want to commit? Kind of like having your cake and eating it too? Just wonderin’.
Mark from PA and peter,
The goal of everyone should be to spend eternity with God, not in Hell with the devil.
Everyone should do everything in their power to help others get to Heaven.
Why don’t either of you ever write on what can be done to help homosexuals and those with SSA get to Heaven ?
Using authoritative sources, search ” What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE “.
” 9. Is the Catholic Church unfair to homosexuals? What does the Church teach? Why does it oppose gay-marriage? Can homosexuals get to heaven? “
PETE God bless you, you gave them great advice. Just sometimes these pearls get thrown out or ignored, the bad willed can’t see them as pearls and to them it is impossible but if they had faith enough to trust the Lord more, they would know that what is impossible to man, God can make possible! God is great, God is awesome! Praise Be Jesus Christ!
PETE: Homosexuals can be helped if people can find it in their hearts to treat them with respect, dignity and compassion and not discriminate against them. Homosexuals can be helped by working to end bullying, name calling and physical attacks and violence directed against them. Referring to gay people as having a disorder, making fun of them, bullying them and making jokes about them is not going to help them get into heaven and it isn’t going to get those who treat them this way into heaven either.
Mark from PA: Identifying a disorder is not bullying. You have stated that you agree with the Catechism, yet you fail to acknowledge that the homosexual inclination is disordered. This law makes the state the moral guardian of a child when it comes to sexual morality and although you fail to admit it, it makes it illegal for a parent to take their teen with same sex attraction to a priest for therapy or spiritual direction. Reparative therapy does not ridicule, does not demean, but is a compassionate way to help people strive to live a life of morality, of chastity and obedience to God. What is wrong with this Mark? How can you oppose something that will help people live a life of spiritual sanctity?
Sorry MD, but I consider continuously pushing it in a child or teen’s face that their sexuality is disordered, that they are disordered, is bullying. This law says nothing about taking kids to a priest for spiritual direction. If reparative therapy is so compassionate how come I have spoken to people who say that it is harmful and that it made them suicidal?
Well Mark? I have heard Dr. Joseph Nicolosi speak on Catholic Answers a few times and his reparative therapy is a means to an end, a means to sanctity as he teaches people with same sex attraction to live a life of chastity. This therapy was not created out of hatred as the “gay community” is trying to portray it, but was conceived to help people with same sex attraction get to heaven. Dr. Nicolosi is a devout Catholic and truly cares for the souls of all he tries to help. Stop supporting the homosexual agenda Mark and embrace your Catholic faith, embrace Jesus Christ and His Divine Word.
PETE – Because the church is wrong on homosexuality.
peter I know that you are not a practicing Catholic. I am sorry that you are blinded by your disorder but you are the one who is wrong…..Pray with humility please….Jesus loves you too but you have to give up your lifestyle because there is no salvation for those who continue to embrace such lifestyles. God have mercy and may His graces be upon us all.
peter Christ came before you ever existed…He is never wrong! Choose Christ and trust in Him not in your own understanding!