The following comes from a May 14 posting on Catholic World Report by Anne Hendershott. Hendershott taught sociology at the University of San Diego and is now at Franciscan Univeristy, Steubenville, Ohio.
Disney is the latest corporation to announce an end to financial support for the Boy Scouts of America because of the Boy Scouts’ ban on openly gay adult Scout leaders. Joining former BSA sponsors—including Lockheed Martin, Major League Soccer, UPS, and others that have ended relationships with the BSA—Walt Disney World announced that it will no longer support the organization. The BSA’s official position bans openly gay Scout leaders, even though on May 23, 2013, following years of public pressure, the organization’s national governing body voted to lift its long-standing ban on openly gay youth in the program.
Now, the pressures are mounting to remove the ban on openly gay leaders. Last month, Seattle’s Rainier Beach neighborhood became the latest battleground in the gay-rights culture wars when the Boy Scouts of America revoked the charter of Seattle’s newest Scout troop for refusing to remove its openly gay Scoutmaster. Seattle’s Troop 98, which has only been chartered by the BSA for a few months, is led by Geoff McGrath, an Eagle Scout who is married to his longtime male partner.
Last month, the BSA advised Rainier Beach United Methodist Church, the sponsor of Seattle Troop 98, to dismiss Mr. McGrath as Scoutmaster because he discussed his sexual orientation in a news story with NBC News.When the church refused, the BSA officially revoked the Church’s charter agreement.
BSA spokesman Deron Smith suggested that McGrath’s sexual orientation would not have become an issue until McGrath made it public. In an e-mail published by NBC News, Smith wrote: “Our policy is that we do not ask people about their sexual orientation, and it is not an issue until they deliberately inject it into Scouting in an inappropriate fashion.” Sharon Moulds, the leader of the BSA Seattle Council, told NBC News that the Council did not inquire about McGrath’s sexual orientation—as directed by BSA policy—when he applied for a leadership position. She said she found out McGrath was gay only after NBC News contacted her: “It was then that we became aware of his intentions to make a public statement about his orientation and use our program as a means to further a personal agenda.”
While McGrath denies that his decision to help create the Seattle troop was an attempt to gain media attention for what he sees as a discriminatory BSA policy to ban openly gay troop leaders, he acknowledged to NBC News that “If you don’t participate, you’re not part of the conversation. Yelling from the outside is not conversing. So we’re on the inside doing good work.” The Rainier Beach minister, Monica Corsaro, told a reporter for NBC News that she invited McGrath to lead the fledgling troop at her church.
Removing the current BSA policy barring “avowed homosexuals” as volunteers is more complex than McGrath and Corsaro will acknowledge because it involves a volatile mix of parental concerns, religious concerns, financial concerns, and a not insignificant concern about liability. In the spring of 2013, the BSA’s Voice of the Scout Membership Standards Survey was sent to more than one million adult members with over 200,000 respondents. The survey found that parents opposed the policy barring openly homosexual scouts by a 45 percent to 42 percent margin.
But, when local councils were queried over whether to accept openly gay men to serve as leaders, many groups expressed concerns. While the Northeast Region on behalf of its 65 councils recommended changing the policy by excluding any mention of sexual preference as one of the criteria for membership for youth and adults, all of the other regions, including the Central, Southern, and Western Regions, recommended that “no change” be made to the current policy excluding openly gay leaders. Resistance to allowing gay Scout leaders was most evident within chartered organizations—many of which are chartered by the Catholic Church.
The Scouts Chartered Organization Study Group survey indicated that many religious chartered organizations believe a membership policy change involving both youth and adults could cause the BSA to lose anywhere from 100,000 to 350,000 members, offset by youth membership gains of only 10,000 to 20,000. Still, the BSA suggested that a change in the membership policy surrounding openly gay youth is consistent with the religious beliefs of the BSA’s major chartered organizations.
Evaluating the financial impact of projected changes in the BSA’s membership policy revealed that councils anticipate 51 percent of major donors do not support a policy change allowing openly gay men to serve as leader. A majority of Fortune 500 companies, however, support a change in the current leadership policy, as do a majority of current and former corporations that currently have or had sponsorship-type relationships with the BSA.
To assess the safety and liability factors surrounding a policy change for Scoutmasters, the BSA consulted with four leading psychological or psychiatric practitioners in the field of youth protection and child sexual-abuse prevention. These experts concluded that the research surrounding children’s association with self-identified homosexual adults indicates that “there appear to be no effects on children’s adjustment, mental health, or sexual orientation.”
One of the four professionals consulted was Charol Shakeshaft, also relied upon during the 2002 sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church. The four clinical experts concluded that the near-universal opinion among sexual abuse authorities is that “same-sex sexual interest or same-sex sexual experience, either in adults or youth is NOT [emphasis in original report] a risk factor for sexually abusing children.”
If gay men are no more likely to sexually abuse prepubescent children than heterosexual men, it is clear that the overwhelming number of the nearly 5,000 documented cases of sexual abuse within the BSA from 1947-2005 involved same-sex behavior with teenage boys. The Los Angeles Times has published a database containing information on nearly 5,000 men and a handful of women who were expelled from the Boy Scouts of America because of allegations of sexual abuse. The data were derived from confidential Scouting files—something the Scouts called the “perversion files”—submitted as evidence in a major court case involving abuse by a gay male Scout leader in 2010.
These documents provide valuable information into the tactics that male Scout leaders used to ensnare the teenage boys in the troops, as well as revealing ways in which Scouting executives attempted to cover up abuse by simply removing leaders after credible allegations. The records of banned Scout leaders document horrific acts by serial abusers that in some cases went on for years. For example, Clyde Brock, an Oregon City troop leader, took nude photographs of male troop members and showed the photos to other Scouts who visited his home; the BSA did not remove him until two Scouts came forward to say he had forced them to engage in sexual relations with them.
Using a color-coded map of the United States, replete with dots indicating the location of troops connected in some way to the accused, the Los Angeles Times provides information on the volume of cases opened by year. It also provides names and troop locations for each individual accused of sexual abuse. Visitors to the Times site can click on each of the thousands of names of men who were accused of sexual abuse to read the interoffice Scouting memos, arrest records, and newspaper clippings surrounding the alleged sexual abuse that caused the leaders to be banned from Scouting.
The BSA has paid millions of dollars in damages to sexual abuse victims of male abusers. While the overwhelming majority of cases involved teenage boys, many disturbing cases of sexual abuse on prepubescent children are on record. In the largest single settlement, BSA victim Kerry Lewis was awarded nearly $20 million in damages from the BSA in a trial that ended in April 2010. Lewis was just one of several others who were sexually abused by Timur Dykes, a man who had admitted to a BSA official in 1983 that he had already molested 17 boys. During the settlement trial, Lewis’s attorneys used the secret perversion files to argue that the organization had dismissed or ignored many allegations of sexual abuse by male Scout leaders.
It is difficult to predict whether the BSA will eventually be pressured to remove the ban on openly gay leaders. The National Executive Board and the National Advisory Council are split on support for the current policy. According to an online survey by the BSA, “a majority of the Board does not consider the current policy to be core to Scouting’s values, while a majority of the Advisory Council does.” The BSA survey itself concludes that “the research finds a significant shift in attitudes regarding the BSA policy on homosexuality: Three years ago, parents supported the [then-]current BSA policy on openly gay Scouts by a wide margin, today, parents opposed excluding openly gay Scouts by a 45 percent to 42 margin.” It is likely that shifts in support for openly gay leaders will continue—and policies will change to reflect these shifts.
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Just because a man molests a boy does not mean that he is gay. Of course the majority of sexual abuse scandals in the Boy Scouts would involve male-male interaction, its called the BOY scouts. This is distinct from the girl scouts. It is also distinct from the coed scouts. This would be libel if it was directed at an individual.
CCC has sinned by concluding that all gays are engage in sexual abuse. You make the Lord weep with you unrighteous and ungodly ways.
“Just because a man molests a boy does not mean that he is gay.”
Right. It means he’s a sodomite.
No, your beliefs are what make God Weep. May he convert you.
“This is distinct from the girl scouts.”
Right. There’s a reason the sodomites are not clamoring to be leaders of the Girl Scouts: there’s nothing in it for them.
Or maybe because the Girl Scouts are typically lead by women. Maybe also because if you were a boyscout, you would probably have a desire to lead the boy scouts. Finally, I imagine there are gay men who volunteer with the Girl Scouts, but it doesn’t make political waves because it does not stimulate this groups obsession with gay sex.
Juergensen,
You need to know your facts, the Girl Scouts surrendered many years ago, and they have gone down hill ever since!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
why are you anonymous? The temptation for a homosexual must be a it’s highest point being amongst a whole crowd of young boys and men. Who are you trying to make weep here? Jesus Christ? Yes the Lord is weeping, but not in the sense that you see it. Chastity and purity are virtues.Remember what He said about causing one of these little ones to sin. The millstone wouldn’t be big enough for all the ones that have been brought to sin , teaching that homosexual act is not sinful ; it is sinful to lead people astray by lying to them about sin. Yes God is weeping, and continues as long as we offend Him and offend our neighbours by lying. Homosexuals do not belong in the BoyScouts.
I’m anonymous because I have seen the hot jobs and character assassinations that occur on CCC. If you aren’t an extremely conservative catholic, then the peoe on this site treat you like you are the devil.
You are a sad person if you think that all gay people are stimulated by young men. It is no more common than it is amongst heterosexual people. But it’s not your fault. You were raised in a society that told you that all gay men want to harm children and you were not given the faculties to think critically about that premise.
I notice how you use the phrase “young men” in place of boys. This is extremely telling of how the gay agenda wants society to accept their evil ways and mission.
Mark, I think the comment you are responding to probably reflects the Church’s own distinguishing between pederasty and pedophilia, in an effort to contradict press reports calling all the abuses as pedophilia. Church seems to believe that pederasty is somehow more forgivable or more understandable or SOMETHING better than pedophilia. In my book, while one may be more disgusting than the other, both are equally abhorrent, and neither should be tolerated. So, with respect to this post, please don’t go after a commenter for mirroring what the hierarchy herself dictates.
I’ll stick by what I said because indeed most of the scouts are pre-pubescent BOYS not young men. By the time puberty rolls around most older boys have left scouts for other interests.
YFC where do you get your ideas from? “Church seems to believe that pederasty is somehow more forgivable or more understandable or SOMETHING better than pedophilia.” Really! Is that the best you can do? In your book, which is more disgusting?
The Church makes a distinction between children who were abused by homosexual priests and children who were abused by pedophile priests because of the vast numbers involved with the former which far outweighed the latter. It would have been dishonest not to illuminate that truth.
Nicholas reveals the very many falsehoods by those who want to pretend that the childhood sex scandals are easily explained away.
That’s a sweeping unsubstantiated statement YFC. Perhaps you could explain?
Nicholas, what I mean by that is that while the media portrayed the sex abuse scandal as one of pedophilia, conservative commentators objected, pointing out that most of the cases were pederasty. Fair enough, but it appeared to be an attempt to lessen the culpability of the clergy involved, as well as their episcopal overseers, as though abusing a 15 year old is morally different than abusing a 5 year old.
The acts of homosexuality are immoral and perverse. There is no happiness in the “gay” society. It is just an illusion perpetuated by secular psychology which states that “anything goes” and there is no grave immoral sin involved.
Anonymous, you said that just because a MAN MOLEST a CHILD does not mean that he is MERRY and LIGHTHEARTED?!!!! NO KIDDING!!
Anonymous, do ALL merry and lighthearted MEN have to engage in SEXUAL ABUSE of BOYS before you become concerned about the high percentages of those who do?!!!! Why don’t you demand that governmental and media put pressure on Queer groups to OUT the abusers within their ranks whom they claim to represent?!!!! Your post is more concerned with the rights of a few queers who do not abuse than with the rights of the innocent ABUSED BOYS who are the victims!!!!!! Queer activists need to take the beam out of their own eyes before they can take the speck out of their brothers eyes.
That’s really rich. A catholic person telling me that I should actively pursue the ouster of gay people who commit child abuse.
I might suggest the same to you. Where is the public pressure from within the church to force the Catholic leadership to require that all church leaders cooperate with law enforcement and report the abuse of catholic children at the hands of catholic officials. Maybe it’s because you support double standards because you’ve been indoctrinated to believe that all gay people desire sex with children. Your comment might carry some weight if the church membership took a more active role in righting the horrific abuse uncovered within the church.
Why don’t people who oppose the Catholic Church because of the abuse scandal see that they are promoting exactly the same situation in the Boy Scouts? Why?
Anonymous, no faithful Catholic within the Church wants any cover up of child sex abuse. Ever. And you need to get with the program – the Church now has such rigorous policies and procedures in place to protect children that many other organizations such as public schools (who pass the trash) would do well to replicate. You know, child sex abuse is not unique to the Catholic Church – it just seems like that due to the biased reporting of the press. And for the record, most of the abusers were homosexual priests.
Agreed that no one within the Church should want to see a coverup of sex abusing priests. However, those who shut their eyes to the sex abuse of girls, because they want to push the abuse off onto those who abuse boys, are as much to blame as anyone.
YFC, why do you keep trying to deflect away from the truth? Your statement does not make any sense to me. No one is closing a blind eye to the abuse of girls, and if you know someone who is, REPORT THEM. I said, I do not want any kind of child abuse covered up, male or female, but it is still a fact that 81% of the abuse victims were male and more than 95% of those were post pubescent. When males have sex with post pubescent males, it is called homosexual sex. Although in these cases, it was probably rape! Hence most of the abusers were homosexuals pretending to be priests. God bless Pope Benedict for making it more difficult for homosexuals to enter the priesthood.
Nicholas, I am genuinely glad that you abhore the coverup of the sex abuse that has gone on in our Church. This is a very important point of agreement.
I also agree with you that the best data show that the majority of victims were male, and it is not unreasonable to assume that the men who abused (yes, oftentimes raped) them, were gay. But experts on sex abuse actually tell us that we cannot so easily leap to that conclusion.
No matter. Abusers and those who cover up their acts must be removed from leadership in our Church. I don’t much care what their sexual orientation is.
Tracy, the sex abuse scandal has been widely covered in the gay press. Gay people are very attentive to the abuse, and have been at the forefront of calling the Church to purge itself of molesting priests and those who cover(ed) it up. A very small minority of straight people molest young people, and a very small minority of gay people molest young people, and a very small minority of priests molest young people. What their occupation is, what their sexual orientation is, is absolutely irrelevant – and trying to smear all straight people, gay people, or priests for the sins of the few is simply to commit the sin of bearing false witness against a neighbor. I wish you would keep these things in mind before you go on your tirades.
Anonymous,
The CCC is the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.
Why are you being dishonest as to the content of the CCC ?
The CCC does not state that those with SSA (same sex attraction) all engage in sexual abuse.
I’m not being dishonest about the catechism, I was referring to this blog.
Homosexuality is abuse to the dignity of the person and to the one with whom he or she engages. It will always be immoral, perverse, and a grave, mortal sin.
And the vast majority of priests who abused children, abused boys . . . not girls. Explain away that.
homosexuals. of course. They don’t need to be priests, as Bs leaders don’t need to lead if they have that inclination.
Boys are cultivated by the church herself to be altar boys. And many victims were, of course, girls.
I was a scout, then an assistant scoutmaster when our son was of age. I was very grateful because the manly Army Boy Scout Leaders we had in Mannheim Germany helped my son turn into a normal straight person. Yet now the BSA tells us “our policy is that we do not ask people about their sexual orientation, and it is not an issue until they deliberately inject it into Scouting in an inappropriate fashion.” We donated $ to the Boy Scouts annually for 30 years, but for the past two and future ones no more. I would not want to send my grandchild to a place where pederast homosexuals, now called Gays by Pope Francis, may spoil them.
No your beliefs are what make him weep. May he convert you.
Sorry the above comment was meant for another post.
You seem to confuse “manliness” and “normal” and “straight”. We all know lots of straight people who are neither manly nor normal, and lots of gay people who are both normal and manly. And we know some manly people of both orientations who are definitely not normal.
Sodomy is not normal.
Thanks to Cal Catholic for highlighting the story above!
Most people think of the Boy Scouts of America as a volunteer-led organization. But BSA’s national leadership and many of its local Council leaders are in fact vastly overcompensated. See, for example, pages 12-14 of the most recent charitable-organization Form 990 disclosure for national BSA leaders, at http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/2012_990.pdf.
[Financial disclosure filings for other tax-exempt entities — Planned Parenthood, for example— can be researched at https://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder%5D.
Many Scouting veterans believe that BSA-leadership pay scales made the outfit’s weak leaders an easy target for extortionate demands by corporate sponsors who/which have normalized homosexualism in their own organizations, leading thereby to BSA’s abrupt reversal last year of a long-standing and reasonable ban on scouts identifying as homosexual.
Whatever the reason for Scouting’s timid surrender in the Culture Wars, those who are heartbroken or angered by it may want to consider alternatives. Parents and guardians of boys should take a look at Trail Life (www.traillifeusa.com), Conquest Clubs (www.conquestclubs.com), Columbian Squires (www.kofc.org/un/en/squires/index.html), or Fraternus (https://fraternus.net/wp), among others.
Lynceus, to state that the leaders of an organization as large as BSA are vastly overpaid shows a lack of reality about what it takes and the kind of people it takes to run an organization. What is true, it that the leadership, nationwide, is vastly underpaid compared to private sector jobs with equal responsibility. Scouting is a volunteer organization at the chartered unit level, but it takes a large number of professionals to make the program work. When a church, for examples, chooses to sponsor BSA scout troop or cub pack, the BSA assures it that it will have training programs for the leaders, will provide summer camps for the kids, will have well developed growth programs for the kids, and will have professional scouters available to make the system/program work. It also requires leaders to be finger printed and have background checks. It requires leaders to attend training programs about identifying child abuse, etc. and has required training for scouts and cubs to attend to help them recognize inappropriate behavior in other boys and leaders. Scouting is not just a club for kids and untrained leaders who like to camp. It is a highly structured program that takes highly qualified leaders and professionals to run properly.
If only the Boyscouts required the sponsoring organization to adopt the same requirements. The church should take a page out of the BSA’s approach to preventing child abuse.
Lynceus,
As a former 30+ year Scouter, I ask why you left out the “Knights of St. George”?
I reluctantly quit when they changed their policy, and you are right, the achiles heel for the BSA was their wrong desire for ammoral corporate heads on the National Council. They even tried to lie to the Rank and File Real Leaders of Scouting about what they were up to. Thank God, someone in the National Offices leaked it out and thus we had the big battle in which Lord Badden Powell’s principles were shreaded. I cried many tears when and since that happened. I loved Scouting, my Boys now men, gave me more than I gave them.
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and on your ammoral soul!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Sodomites need to be banned from any and all access to boys. Remember, though only 2% of the population, sodomites comprise 33% of all child sex abusers, making them 16.5 times, or 1,650%, more likely to sexually abuse children. See http://www.tinyurl.com/SodomiteMyths (“Myth No. 8”).
thank you.
Remember, a lie is still a lie no matter how times its repeated. That’s called bearing false witness in the Catholic vernacular, right?
The “lie” is that sodomy is normal.
I served on the Executive Board of one of the largest scout councils in the country back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Most of the child molestation issues that arose back then were because of heterosexual males doing inappropriate things with young boys. I have known since my time as a scout back in the 50’s that there were homosexual leaders in the scouts. They never seemed to be the problem then either, although as youths, I’m sure we were sheltered from a lot that was going on. The fact is, that most of the inappropriate behavior reported about scouting is not by gay men or women. Most of it is committed by non-gay men and women. If a gay person is a leader, has passed the background check including fingerprinting, and follows scouting’s rule that a boy should never be with just one adult, do we have to kick them out of the program just because they are gay? Some say yes, but I’m not so sure. My experience is that it is not that big an issue. On the other hand, the largest sponsors of the scouting franchise are the Mormon church and the Catholic church. What is their policy?
There are nearly twice as many Mormon Boy Scouts as Catholic ones.
https://www.scouting.org/About/FactSheets/operating_orgs.aspx
From what I understand, LDS has represented a lot of the political pressure to exclude gays in the past, but it’s changed its position, and its endorsement of not excluding gay youth was a primary factor in the reversal of BSA’s position.
Mormon church is a lot more likely to evolve more quickly on the matter as well. It only dates to the 19th Century, and a lot of the legacy of the early doctrine has already been revisited. They have a much lower bar for divine revelation, which has allowed doing away with plural marriage some of the explicitly racist stuff from the early days… with little fanfare.
https://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech10a.htm
It’s an interesting phenomenon. In some ways it’s very conservative, but in other ways surprisingly modern…
” No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin. ” –
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
You’ve been given proof, juergensen, that your “myths” are indeed mythical. Please tell the truth.
“When you start to pull out facts and figures, hyperlinks and quotes, you are actually making the opponent feel even surer of his position than before you started the debate. As he matches your fervor, the same thing happens in your skull. The backfire effect pushes both of you deeper into your original beliefs.”
https://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2014/05/13/backfire-effect-mcraney/
It is a courtesy to include the link.
Some of us are really seeking the truth.
what a bunch of malarkey .
We have three Eagle Scouts in our family and we were looking forward to adding two more, but we cannot allow our younger boys to even consider becoming Boy Scouts now. We put up a fight but we lost out, not to numbers of people, but to big money and big power. It is so sad to watch this once great organization sink slowly into the quicksand hands of those who have a beef with God.
So very sorry for your family Don. Your younger sons will excel because of you and the three Eagle Scouts in your family……keep fighting the “good fight”.
Hi Don,
There are othere organizations loyal to the Church and its teachings organizing to fill the gap. One such group, headed by Dr. Taylor Marshall, and ex-Episcopalian Priest and Eagle Scout is “St. George’s Knights”. He was actually threatened by those wonderful BSA traitors because they originally called themselves “Scout of St. George”. Can you imgine that?
Are you the same Don Carney that used to work for Terry Barber?
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
False.
https://tinyurl.com/frc-designation
The link is to the SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) which is a Left Wing Hate Group populated with anti-Catholic bigots!
It’s really the only way to counter someone who continually posts propaganda. There’s no point in endlessly providing counter argument.
The SPLC is Left Wing. It is not anti-Catholic, unless Niccolo Machiavelli has been elevated to patron saint of expedient morality.
The FRC’s hate group designation is appropriate. Nowhere is that more apparent than in this context. If a group publishes ostensibly scientific material that has no scientific value, but is merely used politically (and maliciously), it becomes necessary to draw attention to the credibility and motivation of that organization.
Spot on, John Feeney. Only homosexualists would cite the demonic SPLC, which refuses to include NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association”) on its “Hate List”. That tells you all you need to know about SPLC and its supporters.
Much as I despise NAMBLA, I don’t think it qualifies as a hate group, per SPLC’s definition of that term. If you want to start a group that identifies hate groups by some other definition, go ahead. Here is there definition. I think I’ve also seen on their website that the hate group must repeatedly use disinformation about the maligned group, but I couldn’t find that this morning: “All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics.”
Right. Christian FRC is a hate group to you, but sodomite boy-raping NAMBLA is not. We gotcha down.
NAMBLA isn’t a hate group, it’s a criminal enterprise which enagages in conspiracies to commit child sex abuse.
Well put C&H.
Yes C&H and they still proudly march in your gay pride parade…..
NAMBLA loves raping underage boys and hates – no, despises – God, Christ, and the Catholic Church. No one should deny that NAMBLA is a hate group.
Cansius, no one here is defending NAMBLA. I’m not, C&H is not. We all agree NAMBLA has an evil agenda. So let’s get that clear. When you say that “they” march in “our” gay pride parades, I seriously doubt they march in the parades, at least as a named organization. These fights with the rest of the gay community go way back, back decades. No Pride parade that I know of allows them to march. If you find one that still does, please let me know and I will personally lobby to disinvite them. If you are just making it up, then please stop. Wikipedia recounts some of this history, which goes back 35 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Siollan, you coward, explain how you deem it false if you can!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and on your ammoral soul!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Mister Fisher, the SPLC has already done that. It has already proven the falsehoods. Instead of debating the facts of what SPLC writes vs what FRC writes, you merely attack SPLC ad hominem. Try working with facts, not personal attacks, and you will see that FRC consistently misstates research, which even the authors of the research say is a misinterpretation. Repeating falsehoods over and over again does not suddenly make them true.
Sorry if that was confusing. It was meant as a response to another comment.
But for calling me a coward, I challenge thee to a duel.
Siollan,
In the Real Navy, there was such a thing as a grudge boxing match. If that can be arranged, I accept! I am 75 and you are probably much younger, but I accept if it can be properly arranged.
In case you did not know it, which is doubtful, dueling was long ago forbidden by the real Catholic Church.
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and on your poor soul!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
Were duels ever accepted by the Church?
Probably for the best they’re forbidden. The only real strategy for a duel is to shoot your opponent in the back while he’s pacing.
There’s a spot in SF where two high-ranking politicians had a duel. One died, and is only remembered for having a street named after him.
https://foundsf.org/index.php?title=The_Duel
The other/main problem missed in the article is that leaders influence youth. I grew up in scouting and my leaders have had a profound impact on the man I am today. Gay pedophiles can be screened out or removed by policy to protect the organization but the open door to gay influence on individual kids is the real issue. To tell children that the homosexual act is normal flies in the face of reason and faith. Taken a step further, instability and illness (do a quick search) are much more prevalent in the gay lifestyle. It is not a model for kids. The BSA needs to look at its mission in this light and it will see where the line needs to be drawn no matter how much money is at stake. There are already organizations with a lot less who are stepping in to fill the role which the BSA has abdicated as a character formation organization.
“juergensen” is correct. One only has to look at the awful situation in the Catholic Church (largely post-Vatican II) and the stark record of sex predation on pre-pubescent boys by homosexual priests. No one believes what the “sexual abuse authorities” state regarding the safety of boys around homosexual men: if the BSA changes its policy, the next thing will be a complete change in what it does. Just look at how the GSA changed with even a limited relationship with Planned Parenthood. What was the offending pamphlet it produced: “Happy, Healthy and Hot,” something like that. The GSA should be involved in things other than sexual education. How long before the BSA will be involved with many, many things different than camping and outdoors activities. And, the legal liability will end the BSA ultimately, just as having a heavily homosexual clergy has seriously damaged the Catholic Church, and will change it from the beloved institution that it was, to a shadow of its former glory. Dear BSA, say no to the homosexual lobby. Why do you think that homosexuals want so desperately to gain “respectful” access to young boys? You are off your rocker to even have much of a debate on the topic. Let the media and politicians strut around (and Disney, too) for now. The BSA is not required to commit moral suicide by admitting homosexual males as scoutmasters. Just look at how wonderful the Episcopalian Church is doing in America since it embraced its apostate bishop Gene Robinson some years ago. There’s a very good story of the complete moral rot directly resulting from accepting homosexuality.
and theBSA would have support from families who are against homosexuals in the scouts, if the BSA had the nerve to stand up to all the money pressure/and pc pressure. They are running scared, I cannot understand why. A scout is loyal, honest and brave?
Thank you CCD for highlighting these important issues for concerned Catholics and parents.
Let homosexuals start their own organization.
No one is stopping them from doing this.
They can mentor their own children.
Ummm – what children! They don’t have any of their own children.
Lot’s of gay people have children – both adopted and biological. And there are plenty of organizations – day cares, babysitting groups, after school programs – for kids with gay parents.
These exist primarily in urban areas, and and came into being not because other these kid were treated in a hostile manner by the straight parents of their peers.
I have seen this first hand – an adult mocking a child because of his parents.
Well, St. Peter, I hope you rebuked the adult concerned.
Ummm Nick … are you unaware of the Great Lesbian Baby Boom that’s been happening for at least 20 years? A friend’s teenage daughter told her recently “The difference between lesbian Moms and straight moms is that straight moms understand that makeup is a necessity like food and clothes but lesbian moms make us buy it out of our allowance.”
For more information watch the TV show “The Fosters” the season premere is next month.
Ummm C & H, I don’t know what you were taught in biology, but I was taught that it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. Ergo, homosexuals do not have their own children. It’s biologically impossible. I know, probably somewhere down the line a lawmaker will have us eradicate that out of the biology books, but for now, truth stands.
If it’s all the same to you, I’ll skip “The Fosters.”
Nicholas, according to US Census data:
25% of same-sex couples are raising children
75% of those are raising a child that is biologically related to one of the partners. The others are step-children or adopted or otherwise non-related.
A partner in a same sex relationship may have had previous heterosexual relationships or encounters.
Also, there are reproductive technologies and surrogacy that permit same sex couples to have biological children.
The Catholic Church teaches that these are immoral.
C&H I am not surprised your point of reference would come from Hollywood…
Only one of many. It helps me from becoming, as Pope Francis would say, self referential. I still won’t beat a pillow with a tennis racket or cuddle with Richard Cohen (Yuchhh!)
C&H I have my own very opposite of your gay positive points of reference, most them gained on a firsthand basis.
So that none will be deceived – HOMOSEXUAL ACTS are MORTAL SINS,
and can never be approved.
We must never TOLERATE Mortal Sin.
Those with SSA (same-sex attraction) must avoid all temptation to the best of their ability.
Leaders teach children and young people by their words and also by their actions / example.
CCC: “2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing. “
Sorry, but you cannot name any act and say it is automatically a mortal sin. This is not what our Church teaches.
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But, they do have their own children, don’t they. Nicholas, this is one of the most biased comments I have seen on this site in years.
Biased!! I’d be interested to hear how two men or two women can biologically have a child.
Nick – this is the ‘Scarecrow Logic’ of the Friends of Dorothy (of Oz, a longtime homosex icon) whereby Genetic Facts like All Procreation being Heterosexual, and All Children having just one Male (XY |) and one Female (XX) Parent…
Are buried under the lies of the ‘tolerance gaystapo’ as interfering with their Fundamental Transformation of Amerika in to a brave new world – where facts are not allowed if they contradict the politics of the power structure.
The Donor Sibling Registry is perhaps the strongest expose of such lies, particularly the pretense that Children are Clueless about the reality of Parentage – regardless of the method used to separate the Womyn from physical contact with the evil Male organ of oppression…
And the Legal / Legislative Support for Dead Beat Dad Factories to allow unlimited procreation without responsibility (one guy has about 500 kids this way) – so long as the physical intimacy of Heterosexual Relations were avoided in the process.
SEE http://www.donorsiblingregistry.com
Would women want their daughters’ Scout Troop to be led by a professed lesbian? Is it any different from a 19 year old straight male Scout leader wanting to lead a Girl Scout Troop? If you’re sexually attracted to the gender of the Troop, you shouldn’t be leading that troop. What is good for straight leaders should apply to gay and lesbian leaders, too.
Just FYI, the Girl Scouts have never had a policy of discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, Not for girls or leaders. They haven’t had the problems with abuse that other orginizations, including our Church and the Boy Scouts have had.
The girl scouts do not prohibit men from volunteering in the irganization. The only reqirement is that you are over the age of 18 and are important in the life of a girlsscout.
Umm…. So are you saying that all of those straight women Boy Scout leaders should not have a leadership role because they are sexually attracted to males? That’s crazy!
“The four clinical experts concluded that the near-universal opinion among sexual abuse authorities is that ‘same-sex sexual interest or same-sex sexual experience, either in adults or youth is NOT [emphasis in original report] a risk factor for sexually abusing children.’”
Everyone does realize, of course, that these same “experts” in the 70’s and 80’s had the “near-universal opinion” that abusers could be psychologically treated and returned to the same work-environment? After all the US bishops should have a good case to recover damages for errors & omissions claims from the famed psychological “experts”, because the US bishops were following their “expert advice.”
You are right about that Steve, I will never understand why the Church has ever “accepted” the advice of these so-called experts–yet we continue to trust them to know what is best. I think the days of “blind acceptance” by the Catholic Church of psychological practitioners opinions are over–yet, the BSA continues to rely on them. But, there is a whole other agenda–one involving donations and large financial grants to the BSA– that is driving the movement toward accepting gay leaders. Sadly, this agenda has nothing to do with what is best for the boys involved in scouting.
Thank you, Mrs. Hendershott, for your courage in speaking out on this issue. I’m sure you take a lot of heat (such as the IRS targeting) . I’ll never forget how Anita Bryant was viciously attacked and her career destroyed by this dark and sinister force that is permeating every aspect of our society. This so-called lavender mafia is a cancer eating away at what is good and beautiful, destroying children, families and society in it’s desire for legitimacy, driven by the sheer momentum of physical desires. It’s utterly about the self, not society…me vs. them…’I want, I need’ not ‘Here am I, Lord, do as you will”. Boy Scouts was non-political and devoted to creating patriotic and faithful, manly men. These people seek only to dominate and destroy, and to hell with everyone else. What right have they to use an organization like this to their own advantage? It shows they have no conscience or selflessness at all. Bless you and your work!
Would these be the same “experts” who back in the 1970’s declassified homosexuality as a mental illness, not, as you might expect from a “professional” organization, through scientific research, but by popular vote (LOL) following protests from “gay” activists in San Francisco.
PRobably not the same. Most of those folks retired by now. Generations of data since then have shown that those folks were right in the 70s to remove the disease label from gay folk.
You are absolutely right (for change) YFC.
Homosexual ACTS are purposeful and willful.
This is what Catholics have always said.
bingo
Do not allow your children to participate in anything with immoral leaders.
So you had better remove them from all Catholic organizations.
The ‘Experts’ who are used to push the Pander or Perish Pogrom themselves must bow down before the 900 lb Mozilla-Gorilla, or they too will lose their lucrative positions and perks – as punishment for telling the truth about Ephebophile Misandry and its central role in the Age of Abomination.
How many of the John Jay University staff could have survived in their jobs if they had dared reach any other conclusion than those the politics of political correctness demand as tribute to Caesar.
Mr. Brown is not Catholic – but his essay speaks to the issue faced by the Church and others who would claim a Christian heritage outside it:
The Persecution grows wider and more vicious with each passing day and each black robed despot overturning the Constitution. The essay by Mr. Brown goes directly to the point, it is time to decide – sides, on the issue that will destroy the nation if not dealt with properly.
“Let the Separation Come”
https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/michael-brown/2014/05/16/let-the-separation-come
“Californians! Save kids from Harvey Milk indoctrination May 22 (AFA)
Do you want children to be forced to honor a predator of teens and young men, a sexual anarchist, and a brash homosexual activist?
That’s what will happen on or around May 22, which is “Harvey Milk ‘Gay’ Day” in California’s K-12 public schools — unless parents and grandparents intervene and keep them home.
Based on a 2009 law passed in Sacramento by the Democrats and signed by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, “Harvey Milk Day” is a so-called special “day of significance” for all California government schools, teaching a perverse agenda to impressionable boys and girls.
Behind parents’ backs, children as young as 5 years old will be made to perform “commemorative exercises,” remembering the “life,” “accomplishments,” and “contributions” of the late homosexual activist Harvey Milk — in other words, the entire unnatural and unhealthy homosexual-bisexual-transsexual agenda that Milk advocated.
And now the threat to kids is worse, since the Postal Service is issuing the Harvey Milk stamp.
PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN
Since there is no parental notification or consent, the only way for parents to protect their children from “Harvey Milk Day” is to keep them home on or around May 22.
https://action.afa.net/item.aspx?id=2147545767
Harvey Milk is the perfect poster-boy for homosexual scout masters. Not all, of course, but a goodly number will end the BSA as it is known. Those that demand an end to this “discrimination” are simply willfully ignorant, and negligent, as to the welfare of their young boys. Stand fast to your principles, BSA.