Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas avowed that he would rather die than attempt to benefit from a “vaccine” produced using an aborted child.
Strickland shared his strongest repudiation yet of abortion-tainted vaccines in a Dec. 30 tweet supporting similar sentiments by Father Mark Goring.
Both Strickland and Goring have been vocal opponents of the use of fetal cell lines in the development of “vaccines” or any other products since at least soon after the COVID-19 outbreak. In December 2020, they discussed with each other the moral problems with the Covid vaccines developed using cell lines of aborted children.
Strickland said of the vaccines at the time, “The bottom line is, if it used unborn children that were aborted, intentionally killed, and we’re using their bodies to build something that helps our bodies, I say no, and I encourage others to say no.”
When Goring brought up the interior conflict of someone who wants to protect an elderly, vulnerable family member from Covid-19 and its potentially deadly consequences, Strickland pointed out that the Code of Canon Law expressly states that it is “based on the salvation of souls,” and therefore all of our decisions should prioritize that end.
Strickland cautioned people “to not compromise that call to everlasting life to hang on to a few more years here.”
While the video from Goring that Strickland shared in his Dec. 30 tweet has since been made private, Goring has two public recent videos expressing his firm rejection of abortion-tainted pharmaceutical products, including “vaccines,” that is, those developed using cells derived from aborted children.
In his “Tainted Pharmaceuticals” video posted Dec. 29 of a homily he gave during Mass, Goring decried the use of products developed using cells of aborted children as a kind of complicity with the killing of children….
Goring pointed out in another talk that “many pharmaceutical companies are very happy to highlight that there was no animal testing involved in the production of their products.”
“We should have the same respect for the life of unborn children. If consumers demand to know whether or not a product is abortion tainted, we shouldn’t be laughed out of the pharmacy. This is a perfectly legitimate thing to be concerned about….”
The above comes from a Jan. 4 story on LifeSiteNews.
I have high regard for Bishop Strickland and Father Goring. They have been true and courageous leaders on many issues. However, it’s important for readers to realize their personal choices of health care and conscience are just that, their personal choices. The COVID vaccines are so ethically remote from abortion as to be morally permissible. I realize those on “both sides” won’t like saying that, as the Church teaches, we have an obligation to care for others (and even ourselves), but that does not mean the Church tells us which specific medical procedures we must undergo. I will unhesitatingly speak out on matters of faith and morals. But, it’s not my place to preach about what others should do (or even my personal choices) in most health care matters. Fr. Goring makes a good point about companies being willing to label their products when no animal testing was involved in their production. At the very least, that could be done for abortion-related products, even if the abortions were years ago. I’m sure these good men will get criticized here on CCD, but that’s easy for those of us, including myself, who hide behind anonymity. I respect their courage. They are public about their positions and not hiding their identities. May God bless, protect and guide them.
I appreciate your post.
Taking the vaccine can be selfish. Not taking the vaccine can be selfish.
Not taking the vaccine because of testing on cells that are 1000 cell generations away from Bridget (that is what I have named the aborted baby in Sweden) could be done from conscience or it could be done from ego.
I personally don’t think Bridget minds helping people on earth. She is dead and her 5 month old life has contributed more to humanity than mine ever will.
But I understand that we should not encourage use of fetal tissues.
President Bush made the decision that the two lines in existence could continue. I disagreed but like the Church teaches, God permits sin because he can bring about a greater good.
Were it my decision, I would not use the cells but I cannot control that. The Church said it is moral to take the vaccine. They encouraged us to take it as an act of charity.
me, just a slight correction to your post, if you’ll allow me. I believe the Bush decision was about embryonic stem cells. We are not talking here about embryonic stem cells, we are talking about immortalized fetal cells.
Yes you are right it was stem cells.
Me, do you really think that you would appreciate someone ripping you apart or burning you to death by saline — and that is what an abortion does to the child in the womb — so you could “help humanity”. Some tribes in certain African countries, hunt albinos and cut off their limbs because they have a superstition about using their body parts in certain rituals. In case you do not know many albinos in Africa are children born from darker skinned Africans who married too closely, especially first cousins. Look it up.
Anne TE, no i would not like that. I do not know how Bridget was aborted or why.. Say a prayer for her, her mother and all who contributed to her death. Say a prayer for everyone in the world.
She was not killed so that she could help humanity. As far as I know.
I am as pro-life as you are or more.
Me, I only said that to you because of the 6 & 7 lines of your Jan.6, 1:28 pm post where I think you misspoke, but we all misspeak at times.
By the way I am not one who make fusses in hospitals or doctor’s office when people are in line for vaccinations. I just walk on by the lines or those seated, or say, “No thank you” politely if asked if I want to take the vaccines. My healthcare workers have no problem with this. I have no idea what vaccinations they are taking or their conditions.
Does he take Tylenol or ibuprofen?
Does he take Tylenol or ibuprofen?
That’s a false argument. These medications and the others cited were already well into their distribution before some scientist pulled them off of the shelf and did testing with them. To wit: I can kill someone by poisoning them with tylenol but it doesn’t make tylenol morally objectionable.
I do admire folks that take the stand the bishop is taking because some of them do definitely die for their stands and I would think are rewarded by God. But as the bishop has no family to support, bills to pay, children to raise in a culture that devours kids without fathers, he has a luxury I do not have.
My personal experience of having, in my professional life, witnessed the death (and near death) of parents of very small children to teenagers has taken that kind of courage from me.
Does he take them in the revised recommended dosages that have been established through testing on the cell lines in question? Or does he take them using the obsolete dosages originally set when the drugs were first approved? Not so simple, is it? Is it? He should come down off his high horse. Being bishop doesn’t make you mighty nor give you great insight. He’s just a man with flaws like everyone else.
In for a penny, in for a pound?
https://aeon.co/essays/what-do-we-do-with-the-science-of-terrible-men
Tylenol and other pain killers used before abortion was legalized were really tested on our own bodies, no matter what the company did with the newer Tylenol. The recommended dosages for most medicines are usually too much for me, and sooner or later the doctor lowers my dosage, whereas other people often need more than the recommended dosage. Still, it is best to get off most of these types of medicines if possible. They have side effects too.
Most people who die because they are unvaccinated aren’t taking a stand. They just have some anxiety about taking it because of all the stupid stuff that is on the internet.
Very few are not taking it because they are scrupulous about taking medications tested on a cell line originally derived from an aborted baby
OK, well he better not have high blood pressure or high cholesterol or need any pain killers, because all of those medicines were tested on the same cell lines as the mRNA COVID vaccines were.
That’s a curious way to defend the status quo…
https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/women-and-holocaust-90617b6f6411
Daring God to keep you safe is not a good strategy.
And they both have accepted the responsibility of people following their lead and possibly dying and becoming chronically ill from COVID.
Does the end justify the means?
There is nothing immoral in taking the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. There is nothing immoral in taking the J&J vaccine if you have no other choice of vaccine.
there is a point where even virtue and sacrifice become selfish. You need to discern God’s will.
“There is a point where even vitue and sacrifice become selfish”….what point is that?
One point is when one becomes prideful. but I think you know that.
“One point is when one becomes prideful “…if you think virtue and sacrifice become “prideful”, then perhaps the acts were never “virtuous” or “sacrificial” in the first place, particularly “sacrificing” another for one’s own health
It is very difficult to find a place of unselfishness. Look at most people’s favorite Lenten sacrifices.
The only way is to seek and do the Will of the Lord.
I feel like you are just arguing for the sake of arguing because no one is saying it is OK to sacrifice another for one’s own health.
“I am too good to take a vaccine because it was tested on a cell line derived from an aborted baby. I would rather die. So what if I could infect 147 people and 10% of them will get seriously ill and 2 will them will die.” But you think you will go to Heaven and God will give you a medal because you didn’t take a medicine that He asked you to take through His Church.
“I feel like you are just arguing for the sake of arguing because no one is saying it is OK to sacrifice another for one’s own health.”—but is anyone providing the source of the cells used for the batch quality control testing of the vaccine doses?
“I am too good to take a vaccine because it was tested on a cell line derived from an aborted baby. I would rather die. So what if I could infect 147 people and 10% of them will get seriously ill and 2 will them will die.” But you think you will go to Heaven and God will give you a medal because you didn’t take a medicine that He asked you to take through His Church.”—so God gave Stalin a medal because He asked for the defeat of Hitler through Mit Brennender Sorge?
The mRNA vaccines are not batch tested on human cells. Even staunch prolife orgs concede that.
“The mRNA vaccines are not batch tested on human cells. Even staunch prolife orgs concede that.”….can you name the organizations?
Hi Paul, here’s the quote and the link: “Does Moderna use HEK293 fetal cell line in ongoing quality control testing during manufacturing? No, they answered that they do not.” https://cogforlife.org/guidance/
Pfizer did not answer the question, but it is unlikely that they did because they were using HEK cells for testing to make sure the scientific theory behind the vaccines was sound. Once the theory proved sound, they moved on to mice and human trials. The method used for that initial testing is actually pretty arduous, as it involves transfecting cells, growing them, characterizing what grew, etc. It is not a test that is economically scalable for batch testing in an industrial production setting.
Although some have now obscured the facts, the mRNA vaccines do not use these cell lines in their production or ongoing testing. The J&J vaccine, now fallen out of favor, is actually GROWN in cell lines, then purified away from the cellular material. Astra Zeneca has never been approved for use in the US, but it uses a similar technology to the J&J, growing a recombinant virus that makes the spike protein. The spike protein is then purified away from all cellular (and viral) material.
Thanks for reading.
“Does Moderna use HEK293 fetal cell line in ongoing quality control testing during manufacturing? No, they answered that they do not.” https://cogforlife.org/guidance/“….that doesn’t answer the question “what is the source of the cells used ‘in ongoing quality control testing during manufacturing. ‘”….so until then, I will wait for the approval of the following vaccines before I yield to any “mandate”: 1) Sanofi Pasteur/GSK, 2) BAT/Kentucky BioProcessing, and 3) Covaxin
They don’t have a source of cells used in ongoing quality control during manufacturing. They don’t use human cells to test the final product. They sequence batches of the mRNA to make sure it has the exact sequence it is supposed to. They likely look under an electron microscope to ensure the particles are the correct size and shape, etc. There are many tests they do, but they don’t involve human cell lines. That wouldn’t provide a quality control answer.
Even if they did use human cells in testing, it is still clear that the Vatican regards that as acceptable in order to prevent infection and spread.
“Lot Release
Lot release is a mechanism that provides FDA with a real-time system to continuously monitor product quality. As previously noted, vaccines are generally made in batches called lots. FDA requires vaccine manufacturers to submit data to support the demonstration of lot-to-lot consistency. After approval, the manufacturer must submit the following materials relating to that vaccine lot (or “batch”)
Protocols: contain the agreed-upon tests.
Results: the results of the testing performed by the manufacturer. Testing typically includes assessment of purity, potency, identity and sterility.
Samples: generally, the manufacturer must submit samples of the vaccine from the lot in question to permit FDA to perform confirmatory testing.
Manufacturers are not permitted to distribute a specific lot of vaccine until the FDA releases it.”….is this incorrect?
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-development-101
Have the people who recommended the jab taken responsibility for all the young people who have died of heart failure and who have chronic heart problems now as a result of the jab? Have they?
There haven’t been “all the young people who have died” because of the vaccine. And besides, the heart problems, although almost always minor, have been caused because Americans don’t aspirate during the injection to make sure they hit the muscle and not a blood vessel.
The vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide.
Maybe drugs should be labeled “abortion free” like we have gluten free labels on so many foods now, including soda.
There are many natural cures for high blood pressure and other diseases. Find what works for you and use it. I started to get high blood pressure and brought it down without medication — less salt, with natural foods such as beets, bananas, Salmon, sweet potatoes, baked or boiled chicken instead of fried, white beans, garlic, quinoa, kale, fresh tuna or low salt canned tuna (albatross) are all good to lower blood pressure. There are natural pain killers also. Find what workers for you and use it. Get off all this aborted tainted stuff as much as possible. Meditation (Rosary, etc.) also lower blood pressure.
Bananas and beets are high glycemic. Be careful, Anne.
Ann TE makes sensible dietary suggestions. Yet be careful not to push them as far as the food faddists who declare “you are what you eat”, preach a good diet as a cure-all, and eschew conventional medicine. Adelle Davis was one of the foremost. Yet she died from multiple myeloma [a very painful bone cancer] at today’s relatively young age of 70. I’m sure she meant well. Nonetheless she led many to early deaths via her unscientific nonsense. God rest her soul with the Saints, where there is no mourning or weeping but joy without ending.
An Apple: Indeed. The most important health factor is genetics.
Me too! This is a hill worth dying on, don’t care what others think of my moral decision.
Once one is off the high blood pressure medicine, one can keep it down with a little grapefruit, as long as the grapefruit does not interfere with other medication. One should then see if one can get off the other medication by natural means too.
Please do the health care system a favor and do not go to a hospital for any care.
I guarantee that they won’t give you a serving of beets in lieu of blood pressure medicine.
I would say the same thing to the Bishop and Goring.
If you get COVID, please stay home and deal with it. The hospitals are already dealing with too many people like you.
I would not need beets at a hospital because I eat carefully enough that I do not get high blood pressure in the first place. The whole idea is to eat and exercise right to keep out of hospitals. I have never had a flu vaccination, and I have not had the flu in so many years that I do not remember the last time I did have it. I get enough zinc, vitamin C and D, etc. and exercise to keep it away. Yet most people who take the flu vaccine get the flu at least once a year. I have taken the ethical shots my doctor recommended.
I’ve taken the flu shot annually since a flue in 1982 cost me to miss the “The Game” of 1982. Haven’t had a flu symptom since except after receiving both shots for shingles.
There are two types of shots for shingles, one is abortion tainted, and the other is not. I waited and took the latter. They are said to be more effective besides being ethical. People can check for the ethical ones on the “Children of God for Life” website.
My doctor had me to take the Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccines (PCV13) right after COVID started. They are not abortion tainted, and the two shots last for several years. Serious COVID turns to pneumonia which usually kills the patient.
The flu shots are ethical as far as I know, and are not tainted in any way by abortions, so I have nothing against them. I just have not felt the need to get one since the vitamins and minerals, especially zinc, seem to do the trick. I often thought of getting one when I was helping take care of my mother many years ago, but she got the shot, and I never got the flu, so I just ignored getting it.
All I am recommending is a well-balanced diet of fruits, nuts, legumes, vegetables and a little meat if needed, and healthy drinks according to your culture and the needs of your body. If you are allergic to something, of course you should not eat it, but substitute something else that contains the same type of nutrients into your diet. Everyone needs are different. Avoiding too much sugar, salt, alcohol or anything in excess is healthy. I use iodized salt for cooking when I need a little. The iodine and fish help keep away goiter I believe.
Turning away the unvaxxed from society is just a start, no?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/if_limiting_the_unvaxxed_is_wise_what_about_limiting_fat_people.html
Some people can get away with that. I tried the Mediterranean style of eating and it wrecked my health. Turns out I have iron deficiency anemia and getting rid of beef and processed food (like iron fortified cereal) left me so exhausted all I could do was get up from bed and sit in a chair, then fall asleep in the chair.
There is no one size fits all on healthy eating.
Some people get inflammation from healthy foods like chicken breast and oatmeal.
Doctors don’t really know that much so it is trial and error a lot of times.
Mediterranean diets include beef.
On occasion. Not every day.
In my twenties, I had anemia when I smoked cigarettes and was too thin. I ate plenty of food and meat, but I did not absorb the iron because of too much smoking and coffee. When I stopped smoking, my anemia went away. If you smoke, you should stop.
A glass of good red wine now and then can be helpful for anemia. Buy a good affordable wine with less bad chemicals that the cheaper ones – best left for cooking. My maternal grandfather died of stomach cancer from chewing tobacco.
Thank you for the advice but my iron deficiency is caused by a medication. I do not drink at all and can not because of medical conditions. Everyone should not smoke. And too much coffee in my youth is why I am on the medication.
Thank you for taking your time to try to help me. That was charitable of you.
You are welcome, Me.
No substantive comment, but did anyone else catch “albatross”? Thanks Anne, needed the chuckle. Visions of John Cleese . . .
My mistake. I mean albacore. There is less water and oil in a can of albacore tuna and more meat.
Oh LOL
My comment is simple. I told my doctor that I would rather die from an illness I contracted “naturally “ than a vaccine/poison/toxin I put into my body unnaturally.
Diane, I could see your point if the mRNA vaccines are poisons or toxins, which they are not.
They also don’t work, which vaccines are supposed to do
They DO work very effectively at significantly reducing serious illness and death. Please tell the truth.
“Please tell the truth”….it’s rather difficult when definitions change regularly
Was your doctor recommending that you get the vaccine?
What did he/she say when you said that?
Our daddy, the government, loves us and would never lie to us. It’s going to be sending out test kits to make sure we are okay. If the inept government ever does get around to sending them out, watch this first:
Covid-19 Test under a Microscope
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6PbOO4Oyt2Ah/
Yeah, I know — the mass psychosis crowd says it’s “misinformation”.
not the issue
The “government” has already reached inside of us when we, as young children, received the required vaccinations that enabled us to attend school in the U.S. Mumps, measles and rubella come to mind, as well as whooping cough, tetanus, and chicken pox. . Smallpox has been eradicated in this county, but many seniors were inoculated against smallpox as young children. I do not know how any of these vaccines were developed, but I did not question their legitimacy. It is unfortunate that products from aborted babies have entered into the medical supply chain. The babies are gone, and this is indeed a TRAGEDY. Abortion is a cruel, devastating, and selfish act. Our religion has a history of drawing good out of evil. Until laws are changed, there will always be the products of abortion. It seems to me that some products of abortion, instead of being incinerated, could be salvaged. The babies are safely in heaven. Some decent use of some of the products of abortion can be licit, in order to save lives.
LV Gran thanks for that but keep in mind the mRNA vaccines are not the product of abortion. No cells grown from an aborted fetus is used to produce them.
Actually, Astra Zernica did use one aborted cell line in both testing and in the vaccine itself. Thus, the Church has forbidden the use of that product. People can check that out on “The Children of God for Life” website and other orthodox Catholic websites.
Aborted children’s body parts and stem cells are still being used for some experimentation and possibly transplants as David Deleiden and others uncovered. As Bishop Strickland, Schneider and other bishops have said if we keep using these products, they will keep making them and profiting by them.
Astra Zenica is not available in the US.
Maybe a faithful group of Catholics can start their own drug company or research facility.
Astra Zeneca is not an mRNA vaccine. And even then, it is disengenuous to say baby parts are used in its production.
But those vaccines worked. The Covid vaccines don’t work. Look at the infections in the most heavily jabbed countries. They are setting records. The United States is probably going to have millions calling in sick to work because they are infected. Most of those will have gotten the jab. It doesn’t work. It’s a pandemic of the vaccinated.
Unbaptized aborted infants are not in heaven. They are in limbo. They’re already dead, let’s use their organs, is a very bad arguement.
Nobody is using aborted infant organs.
Should the children have been aborted? No. Should the cells from their organs have been used to generate cell lines? No.
Can the cell lines be used? They are used all the time. Can you take a product that uses them? Not if you have an alternative. Are you committing a sin by using a product that uses them in testing? Not if you have no alternative and you need the product.
Limbo was a theological concept that was accepted for a long time but was never part of the deposit of the faith nor a doctrine of the Church.
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html
Dan, you are right about not using their organs, but the Church has debated the unbaptized baby issue down through the ages, and we are obligated to baptize our infants whenever possible. The final teaching is that the WORST thing that can happen to an unbaptized child is limbo, all else is left up to the decision of God. Remember many women have spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) and never even know they have had them. One cannot be blamed for something one does not know. We certainly can pray for them and have masses said for them.
The Catholic Church does not teach that the worst thing that can happen to an unbaptized child is limbo. There is no specific revelation from God about this.
see the above link
Limbo is just a place of natural happiness. By worst, the Church means the infant cannot go to purgatory or hell, it is either limbo or possibly heaven. All such situations are left to the mercy of God. The truth is no one really knows. That is why certain things have never been answered definitely.
The idea that there is a place of natural happiness where infants who die without baptism will go and spend eternity deprived of the beatific vision has been declared problematic by the Church.
There is no indication of this in Scripture or Tradition. It was an idea that middle age theologians came up with to solve the problems created by the teaching of the necessity of baptism.
Baptism is necessary. But the Church no longer teaches the existence of Limbo. It teaches that we are to surrender them to God’s mercy, as you said.
Why are so many young, strong athletes who have gotten the vax dropping dead of heart failure?
LV Gran, you’re comments are bereft of common sense. The GREAT PHYSICIAN is NOT SANCTIONING aborted baby “healing methodologies.” Ridiculous statement “our religion has a history of drawing good out of evil.” REally? Would you eat hosts from a Satanic ritual – that Father “rescued” and brought over for Catholic Communion? These “vaccines” – or so-called were ONLY manufactured when ALL countries signed on to the “free from litigation” clause. Isreal up to fouth jab now, does anything say “doesn’t work” more than a four phase open ended to inifnity JAB?
Jay, your question: does anything say doesn’t work fourth jab … is a good question. Ask yourself how many jabs young children get for polio, measles, Diptheria, whooping cough, and the other
ten or more vaccines that are just normal prevention from a major illness. How about the annual flu shot with different versions for older people. Each year we get a different type of flu shot because the flu changes. As covid changes so do the vaccines and the number you take for it. Think of the number of deaths we could have avoided if people admitted to the hospital in the last few months had had the vaccine.
More kids have died from the covid deathvax than from covid
That is an outrageous lie.
A three-year old girl in Argentina just died one day after getting the deathvax jab. Three year-olds don’t get heart attacks. It was the deathvax.
It is immoral to put this poison in anyone, especially in children.
The Catholic Church declares what is immoral; not you.
The interview linked to in the article is over a year old.
This story was prompted by a tweet.
Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not made from cells from an aborted fetus.
Notice how they never say they are. Just that they would not take a vaccine that was.
I think what Bishop Strickland is doing is important which is pointing out that the drug companies should find new methods of doing things that do not use aborted fetal cells in any way.
Unfortunately, because of the timing of it, those who are opposed to getting the vaccine can manipulate this.
There are no cells from aborted babies in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
“There are no cells from aborted babies in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines”…what is the source of cells used to test the doses?
They are tested on cell lines originally cloned from an aborted 5 month old girl’s kidney cells
Would it be objectionable if the cells came from a Jew? A Uyghur? A puppy dog?
Cloning of humans is gravely immoral.
The mRNA vaccine doses are no longer tested on any cell lines.
“The mRNA vaccine doses are no longer tested on any cell lines”…that’s correct as far as research goes. That does not address batch quality control including biosafety and characterization testing for the presence of endotoxin, viral contamination, product impurity, and process impurity. What is the source of the cells used in any of these controls?
The mRNA vaccines are not batch tested using human cell lines.
“….nothing to do with vaccines”….on the contrary…..”Laboratory lines
Cell lines derived from aborted fetal tissue have been fairly commonplace in research and medicine since the creation in the 1960s of the WI-38 cell strain, which was derived at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and MRC-5, which came from a Medical Research Council laboratory in London (see Nature 498, 422–426; 2013). Viruses multiply readily in these cells, and they are used to manufacture many globally important vaccines, including those against measles, rubella, rabies, chicken pox, shingles and hepatitis A.
An estimated 5.8 billion people have received vaccines made with these two cell lines which, with others, have become standard laboratory tools in studies of ageing and drug toxicity. (Research with such lines is not covered by US regulations governing the use of fresh fetal cells and tissue nor captured in the NIH database.) In the past 25 years, fetal cell lines have been used in a roster of medical advances, including the production of a blockbuster arthritis drug and therapeutic proteins that fight cystic fibrosis and haemophilia.
But off-the-shelf fetal cell lines are of limited use for scientists because they do not faithfully mimic native tissue and represent only a subset of cell types: WI-38 and MRC-5, for example, were derived from fetal lungs. The lines can also accumulate mutations after replicating in vitro over time. And creating humanized mice such as Su’s requires whole pieces of fetal organs to provide sufficient numbers of stem cells. For all of these reasons, researchers turn to fresh tissue.”….
sample”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-fetal-tissue-research/
“…once again, these links have zero to do with COVID vaccines. Nothing at all to do with them. Please stop implying that they do.”….do you deny that there is an incentive to use fresh fetal tissue for batch quality control tests of vaccine doses?
“From the clinics, fetal tissue is then often passed to biological-research supply companies, which act as intermediaries and process the tissue before selling it to researchers. Su pays $830 for each sample of fetal liver tissue supplied to his lab by one of the most widely used suppliers, Advanced Bioscience Resources in Alameda, California.”….how much do you think a “sample” weighs?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-fetal-tissue-research/
Paul your article has nothing 5i do with vaccines and was written years before COVID was even on the scene. Please don’t confuse readers.
“3. Experimental Approach:
Figure 5: Human fetal bladder at 21 weeks stained for
urothelium and muscle. A-B. The urothelium stained for
the umbrella (Uroplakin 3a, Upk3a) and superficial
(Cadherin, Ck20) cells. C. Bladder muscle stained for aSMA
(red). Dapi =blue.
A. Assessing genitourinary histology: When the genitourinary tissues are received, we will process a third of
the tissue into paraffin for histological examination. Sections will be cut at 4!-tm and stained with hematoxylin
and eosin to evaluate basic morphology. Our pathologist and anatomist will evaluate tissue quality. Highresolution images will then be taken and these images will be uploaded and be available for GUDMAP projects
and the scientific community. Our target goal is to have available a minimum of 5 cases (tissues and if possible
other biologics) per week of gestational age for ages 6-42 weeks.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/09/investigate-now-federal-grants-sponsored-possibly-live-baby-harvesting-at-university-of-pittsburgh/
Paul, once again, these links have zero to do with COVID vaccines. Nothing at all to do with them. Please stop implying that they do.
“…once again, these links have zero to do with COVID vaccines. Nothing at all to do with them. Please stop implying that they do.”….do you deny that there is an incentive to use fresh fetal tissue for batch quality control tests of vaccine doses?
A good resource is the National Catholic Bioethics Center, linked below. That said, if you are totally opposed to anyone receiving the COVID vaccines or think that they should be mandated for all, you will not be satisfied with what you find there. However, what they put out is informative and consistent with the teachings of the Church. If you have an open mind, I encourage you to check out their articles and statements.They also have consultation services, which many use when loved ones are approaching the end of their lives (in this life). Here you go:
https://www.ncbcenter.org/
I would think that a good Catholic who is refusing the vaccine and is opposed to the Church should be very conflicted.
If one feels no conflict they may have already struggled and gotten through it or they may not have ever really considered obeying the Church.
Not talking about people who have medical reasons for not taking it of course.
Those pushing the jab basically are saying that anti-vaxxers are selfish because they refuse to get vaccinated, which makes them a threat to people who have been vaccinated. Yeah, try to figure that one out. The vaxxed feel threatened by the unvaxxed. And someone who doesn’t brush his teeth might cause cavities in someone who does brush.
Emergency departments and ICU are filling up to overcapacity with unvaxxed people getting COVID. Almost completely preventable problem. The problem when emergency rooms fill up? No room for traffic accidents, heart attacks, pendicitises. You name it.
So it’s a higher priority to clear emergency rooms than to reduce abortions?
It’s not either/or. Not taking the vaccines won’t change the number of abortions. The cells that were used in the early testing phase came from a fetus from decades ago. No new abortions are done to create these cell lines. And besides which, the vaccine is no longer tested using these cell lines.
It is imperative that we do what we can to save lives, and if that means keeping ICUs clear by taking these vaccines, then this is what we must do, unless of course there is a medical reason why we shouldn’t take them.
“But off-the-shelf fetal cell lines are of limited use for scientists because they do not faithfully mimic native tissue and represent only a subset of cell types: WI-38 and MRC-5, for example, were derived from fetal lungs. The lines can also accumulate mutations after replicating in vitro over time. And creating humanized mice such as Su’s requires whole pieces of fetal organs to provide sufficient numbers of stem cells. For all of these reasons, researchers turn to fresh tissue.”–is Ms. Wadman incorrect?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-fetal-tissue-research/
Paul we are not talking about humanized mice nor are we talking about stem cells. We are talking about mRNA vaccines that never see a human cell until they are injected into your shoulder.
“….me, just a slight correction to your post, if you’ll allow me. I believe the Bush decision was about embryonic stem cells. We are not talking here about embryonic stem cells, we are talking about immortalized fetal cells.”….then…..”…we are not talking about humanized mice nor are we talking about stem cells. We are talking about mRNA vaccines that never see a human cell until they are injected into your shoulder.” ….so is it “immortalized fetal cells” or is it “mRNA vaccines”?
OK Paul, let me see if I can make some sense out of your run on sentence. You yourself posted an old article about humanized mice and human fetal stem cells. . Humanized mice are not used in the creation of any of the vaccines. Not the mRNA vaccines, not the J&J vaccines, not the Astra Zeneca vaccine. The article you posted has nothing to do with anything we are discussing here. It has nothing to do with COVID or the COVID vaccines.
1) “….let me see if I can make some sense out of your run on sentence.”….those are quotes from your postings, not my “run on sentences”
2) You yourself posted an old article about humanized mice and human fetal stem cells. .”….is “old” the same as irrelevant”?
3) “Humanized mice are not used in the creation of any of the vaccines.”…ignoring the question again…”what is the source of the cells used to test the vaccine doses?”
4). “Not the mRNA vaccines, not the J&J vaccines, not the Astra Zeneca vaccine. The article you posted has nothing to do with anything we are discussing here. It has nothing to do with COVID or the COVID vaccines.”….
“There is the greatest difference between presuming an opinion to be true, because, with every opportunity for contesting it, it has not been refuted, and assuming its truth for the purpose of not permitting its refutation.”
John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
I agree that anit-vaxxers are more of a threat to other anti-vaxxers than to those vaxxed.
Cavities aren’t contagious so it is a false analogy.
It would be more like chicken pox or the flu.
If you got vaccinated against chicken pox, you have nothing to fear from someone who isn’t vaccinated against chicken pox.
So why do the Covid-vaccinated fear the Covid-unvaccinated?
My thesis is that it’s about control. The vaxxed want others to be just as much a sheep as they have been. They resent that other people are free and won’t do as the government tells them.
As I’ve pointed out, one of the biggest ways that people unvaccinated for COVID are a threat is that they are filling up ERs and ICUs all over the country when they get this very highly contagious form of COVID, so they are a threat to anyone else who might need that bed for a traffic accident, a heart attack, etc.
They are mostly a threat to themselves and their families but they could also harm a health care worker or general population.
Name one place where hospitals are being filled up with covid patients because of covid instead of with covid. It’s not happening. And if hospitals were so concerned about having resources to treat people, they wouldn’t be firing unjabbed nurses and doctors. It’s not about health, it’s not about safety, it’s about control and coercing compliance with what the elites want.
about control: Here is but one example. https://www.kcra.com/article/california-hospitals-strained-from-covid-19-omicron-surge/38679812
But even personally, I access my care through an app. I get emails from my Drs, order refills, find out test results. The computer system is so overwhelmed with people trying to get COVID tests and finding out results, that sometimes it takes me 10 or 12 minutes just to login and retrieve a simple message saying that my meds are ready for pickup. If a computer system is that overwhelmed, imagine what an actual hospital is going through right now!
In some places the problem is that there is a shortage of health care personnel because they do not want to get vaccinated themselves for various reason — including that they had bad reactions to some of the vaccines. There are doctors and nurses out there reporting that they know that some serious medical problems they got, or their patients got, were from some of the vaccines. Some pharmaceutical companies want it covered up, so they are not held responsible.
OK. I’ll bite. What do the “elites.’ whoever they are, want?
President Trump got these vaccines made for America, he takes them himself.
When he was boo’d for taking the booster, he stopped and he told them “You are playing right into their hands.”
So, what’s going on?
Actually, in some places, companies that supply temps are paying $50 an hour and are hiring nurses away from the hospitals. The nurse might have to drive an hour to get to the hospital that is hiring the temps but it still pays off with an extra $15 an hour at 12 hour shifts is $180 dollars more per shift.
A lot of hospitals have lost 25% of their nursing staff either because of the risks of COVID, the uncertainties of child care or they can make better money elsewhere.
A lot of hospitals don’t treat their nurses very well to start with.
Omicron is not Delta
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/01/13/no-hospitals-are-not-being-overrun-with-omicron-patients-n2601734
We don’t want people to suffer and die.
And you can still get chicken pox even when vaccinated (and that is a vaccine that uses the aborted baby cells), you should have a milder case though or even be symptomatic.
You have the right not to vaccinate but I hope you don’t get sick and die and I hope that no one you know gets sick and dies.
Vaccines don’t prevent the infection. They teach your body how to fight the infection. They are not 100% effective in all persons.
“….cavaties aren’t contagious…..”…..how about obesity? Smoking? Promiscuity? Racism? Are those grounds to ration access to emergency rooms too?
Was Bob Saggett jabbed? Was Betty White?
He was. He boasted several weeks ago that he got his latest booster.
Will be interesting to see if the cause of death is heart attack or blood clot.
There is accumulating evidence that the boosters accelerate the harmful effects of the original jab.
I fully expect more sudden, “inexplicable” deaths among athletes and celebrities (and normal folk) who got jabbed and boosted.
Will the media tell the truth? Nope.
If you got the jab, for the sake of your life do not get a booster.
Betty White was 99 when she died. You can hardly claim her death was due to the vaccine. Bob Saget was 65. We have no idea why he died. Robert Durst died this morning. He was 78. We know he had COVID last month, and he has been suffering from cancer, but even in his case, we have no idea yet why he died.
Let’s not create cause of death conspiracy theories before these poor bodies have even been examined.
We should all rather die than commit even a venial sin.
I was fully vaxed last year, with Pfiser– hopefully, it is doing some good. I know it is not “perfect.” I was told that the Pfiser vax was a least morally-offensive one. And I always wear my mask, wash my hands well, and do social distancing– and socially isolate from big crowds of people. For me, that is the best I can do, during this Pandemic. Others have their own beliefs. Love Cdl. Burke, Bishop Strickland and Fr. Goring, love to hear them speak on matters of our Catholic Faith. They have the right to say what they think, on the COVID-19 vax. I chose something different. And still love to hear these fine clerics speak, on matters of our Faith. May God bless and protect them all from COVID-19– including our unvaxed Abp. Cordileone! But I feel more secure, at Mass, with clerics who are fully vaxed, and observe all Pandemic precautions.
My suggestion to the good Bishop is simple, don’t get a vaccine made from aborted material. Get a vaccine that is not made of aborted material. The new science has moved us way ahead in our journey to help people avoid the virus.
I fully support every person who makes a free choice to be vaccinated. I also fully support every person who makes a free choice not to be vaccinated. It must be their free, personal choice. God gave us free will, let us use it. No mandates.-Bishops Strickland on twitter aug 2021fre
I did not say there were baby body parts in Astra Zenica. I said the cell line was used in both testing and the product itself, and it was, which means there are actual cells from that cell line in the Astra Zeneca vaccine and not in the other vaccines. Ther others only used the cell line for testing but did not put it in their vaccines. Please stop twisting my words.
No Anne, there are no “actual cells” of any kind in the Astra Zeneca vaccine. You are flat.out.wrong.
There are no cells from the aborted baby or clones of the cells of the aborted baby in the vaccines. There is a purification process which removes them. The Church has asked us to use Pfizer and Moderna which are not compromised that way. If the only vaccine you can get is J&J, you can morally do so but if you have the choice please use the others.
Anne TE, I know you said that you and your doctor decided that the vaccines would be risky for you. So the rest of us will do all we can to protect you and others like you.
And you are lying.
https://fullfact.org/online/foetal-cells-covid-vaccine/
and who sat up that website?
The Church, and pro life groups, have told us all along not to take Astra Zeneca because it is seriously tainted, and you have the gall to say that it is not.
The Astra-Zenica vaccine is not available in the US.
In a statement, AstraZeneca said its vaccine was produced using a biological manufacturing process that uses a common human cell line, HEK293, which was chosen by Oxford University because it was easy to use, grow and maintain. HEK293 is widely used in vaccinology.
“The cell line was originally derived from fetal human embryonic kidney cells from 1973 and has been maintained in cell banks across the world ever since to help researchers develop new medical treatments,” said Carlo Mastrangelo, a spokesperson for the British-Swedish pharmaceutical giant.
“HEK293 cell lines are grown in a laboratory, generating copies from the original cells, and are not the same as fetal tissue. Several current human cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. No additional fetal tissue has been added to the cell line since its creation.”
I have the gall to tell the truth Anne TE. There are no cells of any kind in the AZ vaccine. Besides which it isn’t even used in the US as has been pointed out to you by others.
I never twisted your words. I never ever said you were talking about all the vaccines, so there you go telling lies and accusing me, who provided evidence of my point, of telling lies. And you are making connections between COVID vaccines and other kinds of research, which taints the vaccines unfairly, which is a complete distortion of the truth tantamount to a lie.
“and who sat up that website?”….fair question….
https://thecritic.co.uk/how-neutral-is-full-fact/
That comment was meant for the one who calls himself Your Fellow Catholic. I was Talking about the Astra Zeneca vaccine and not the others, and was very specific about that, and he twists my words to say that I am talking about all the vaccines. And far as the other vaccines, they used the cell line in testing, put did not put them in the products themselves.
Baby body parts are being used for other experimentation, though, as David Deleiden and others have proved by their videos. And God will reward and punish accordingly. Lying to him will not work.