Bishop Barron, Auxiliary Bishop of Archdiocese of LA, joined Dave Rubin on the January 30 episode of the Rubin Report to discuss religion.

Rubin: Your personal feelings on [the SCOTUS decision on same-sex marriage]: I assume you felt it was the wrong decision by the Court – is that fair to say?

Bishop Barron: Yeah, no, I do, but I don’t think I want to press it much further, I think where we are right now in the States, I’ll apply the Aquinas principle, I think it would probably cause much more problem and dissension and difficulty if we kept pressing it.

Rubin: Is this one of the things where, I sense that your heart and your spiritual sense-self, maybe aren’t quite matched up, because I don’t sense judgment from you sitting here, I really don’t and I don’t sense that you want – that you would try to legislate to reverse the decision but I also sense that you can’t fully say to me well it’s okay.

Bishop Barron: Yeah that’s probably right the way you just put it there is probably right. I wouldn’t want to fully just say ‘that’s great, off you go’, at the same time I wouldn’t want to get on a crusader’s tank and try to reverse that.”

Would Bishop Barron get on a “crusader’s tank” in order to overturn Roe v. Wade? I assume he would. Why are the lives of those suffering from same sex attraction worth less? Have they not also been victimized by the culture of death?

As someone who had made it his life-mission to outreach to the “gay” community, I have seen the real horrors that the legitimization of this lifestyle, which was moved decisively even a further step forward, by the SCOTUS decision on same-sex marriage, has had on the lives of our young people. And there has been a difference since June 26, 2015. At the last San Francisco Pride, I met a 22 year old young man, who was raised Catholic, and he is now embracing “gay” and fighting a third bout of gonorrhea. Although his family is somewhat ambivalent about his homosexuality, he feels that now the entire country is behind him. As a nation, I feel like that is at least partially our fault.

What Bishop Barron said in the interview reminded me of something that the late “gay Catholic pioneer” Father John McNeill said:

Barron: If the only thing gay person hears from the Catholic Church is you’re “intrinsically disordered” we have a very serious problem on our hands.[…] If that’s the way our message was coming out, we were “disordered.”

The late John J. McNeill, SJ: The Vatican is right, I believe, in claiming that we are dealing with an “objective disorder”. But that objective disorder has nothing to do with homosexuality but with the Vatican itself.

This reveals a massive disconnect within two very different members of the clergy and what they absolutely do not understand about the reality of homosexuality – for I cannot comprehend how someone could make an equivalency between perhaps, because of oversight or lack of knowledge, not being as pastorally sensitive as one could be and the way in which the false “gay” identity can literally take over a person.

Secondly – if a “gay” person is going to hear anything from a priest on this topic – it would typically swerve towards two extremes – and nothing near to what Barron is proposing: 1.) The priest, usually at a highly gay-affirmative parish located in one of the largely homosexual populated neighborhoods in the major cities, will be very affirming in this matter – telling the person that the Church is progressing on this issue and will one day catch up with the culture. 2.) If they are lucky enough to find someone associated with Courage – they will certainly NEVER hear any sort of condemning language.

But there is a third reality: I have confessed all sorts of sexual sins – some heterosexual, some homosexual – it’s been my experience that the priest at your non-weird gay-controlled parish will treat you like every other repentant sinner; he isn’t sitting in the Confessional ready to read from the Catechism that you are “disordered” – this somewhat reminds of the confessional as “torture chamber” analogy from Pope Francis.

In that case, Barron’s supposition is insulting as he singles out those who would uphold the Church’s teachings while ignoring those who openly disregard it. Bishop Barron: you are talking about a non-issue while the real problem remains unchecked.

In 2003, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith advised that existing laws which allow same-sex marriage should be repealed.

Bishop Barron made this clarification to his interview with Dave Rubin:

“What I question is the prudence and wisdom of pursuing the opposition to gay marriage right now through legislation. I believe that, given the present climate, it is best to oppose it through personal witness and education.”

Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons:

In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty….When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is already in force, the Catholic politician must oppose it in the ways that are possible for him and make his opposition known; it is his duty to witness to the truth.

From the Joseph Sciambra blog.