San Diego Roman Catholic Bishop Robert McElroy has sent a letter instructing priests in his diocese that there is no basis in Catholic teaching to offer a religious exemption for Covid-19 vaccinations as more employers and schools enact vaccine mandates.
In his Aug. 11 letter, McElroy reiterated the Catholic Church’s support for Covid-19 vaccinations and asked pastors to “caringly decline” requests from parishioners seeking a religious exemption endorsement to justify their decision against being inoculated with the COVID-19 vaccine.
The directive comes after McElroy said several pastors wrote him saying they had received requests from parishioners to sign a form written by the Colorado Catholic Conference suggesting that there is basis in Catholic teaching that justifies a religious exemption to receiving any or all forms of the Covid-19 vaccine….
The Colorado Catholic Conference released its letter Aug. 6, affirming that, while “the use of some Covid-19 vaccines is morally acceptable under certain circumstances,” they objected to vaccination mandates. Archbishop Samuel J. Aquila of Denver; Bishop Stephen J. Berg of Pueblo; Bishop James R. Golka of Colorado Springs; and Auxiliary Bishop Jorge Rodriguez of Denver signed the letter.
“This is appropriate under the laws protecting freedom of religion,” the bishops said.
“In the case of the Covid-19 vaccine, we are convicted that the government should not impose medical interventions on an individual or group of persons. We urge respect for each person’s convictions and personal choices,” the Colorado bishops said….
McElroy called the Colorado bishops’ declaration problematic “because the Holy See has made it clear that receiving the (COVID-19) vaccine is perfectly consistent with Catholic faith, and indeed laudatory in light of the common good in this time of pandemic….”
McElroy urged priests to “not venture down this pathway that merges personal choice with doctrinal authenticity.”
The above comes from an Aug. 13 story on Religion News Service.
Cardinal Cupich behind the scenes
Amid disagreement among Catholic leaders over whether there is a moral obligation to receive a coronavirus vaccine, board members at the National Catholic Bioethics Center have told Catholic News Agency (CNA) that Blase Cardinal Cupich has urged that the center retract its guidance against mandated immunization.
One board member told CNA that Cardinal Cupich has been “leaning hard” on the bishops and some prominent lay board members, but did not elaborate on specific names.The NCBC board members spoke with CNA on the condition they not be identified by name.
The Archdiocese of Chicago did not respond to CNA’s request for comment.
The board members who spoke with CNA said that they would oppose the change they say the cardinal is seeking.
One of the board members told CNA, “I think everyone should be vaccinated, and Catholics should be the first to give a good example. There are legal precedents in which the state has mandated vaccines in extreme circumstances, but the conscience of religious people should be respected.”
One of the board members said that Cardinal Cupich has been applying “a tremendous pressure” on the NCBC to retract its support for conscience or religious exemptions from coronavirus vaccine mandates, and to argue in favor of such mandates…..
Located in Philadelphia, the NCBC is a bioethics think tank, the mission of which is “to provide education, guidance, and resources to the Church and society to uphold the dignity of the human person in health care and biomedical research.” Its board of directors, chaired by Archbishop Gregory Aymond of New Orleans, includes bishops, a deacon, and lay persons.
The above comes from an Aug. 11 story on the site of the Catholic News Agency.
Not going to be submissive to these politically motivated bishops trying to force me into submission. No mask, no vax, no Novus Ordo, and no regrets.
Catholics regret everything. Something went wrong with your Catholic guilt.
A bully in a mitre is still a bully. They should be rejected to their faces.
Yep. Wife asked local pastor of many years to sign off an exempttion form for her. Candidly, no hope for an exemption from her work place mandating vaccines. Pastor said no couldnt and wouldnt sign. Told that as the Institutional Church supports the vaxx, he could not sign. Same for an appeal to the Bishop’s office. No dice.
Samee samee as Covid Mass and Sacrament shut down.
You couldn’t get an exemption for the draft, either.
Just get the stupid shot. There are cities in our countries that are out of hospital beds. This variant affects young people and children. They are dying. If you get the vaccine and then die, your relatives will know that you did everything you could to protect yourself and them. If you don’t get it, everybody is just going to shake their heads and talk about how unnecessary your death was.
President Trump got you these vaccines. I know a lot of people hate Trump but don’t be so bigoted as to let your family die because of that.
Doctors vaccination rate is 97%, They know the risks of the vaccine vs the risks of the disease.
I know health anxiety is a problem for some people and they don’t want to take a new medicine. There is also so many lies and misinformation out there. You could find out the truth the hard way and find out what you really should have been afraid of.
Recovery rate is 97%, I’ll take those odds, and so will many others who have done their research too. Who do you really think you are influencing here?
If the recovery rate is 97% that means that 3 out of every 100 people that get it die. 1 out of 20 people who get it experience long term complications from it, some have brain damage from lack of oxygen and many have an enduring fatigue that seriously affects the quality of their life.
The hospitals are full of people who wish they had gotten the shot.
I understand that you will not be persuaded by me or anybody else.
Maybe someone who is not quite so set in their ways or fearful or has been given bad information will take a chance on the vaccine (which has killed a whole lot less people than the disease. Maybe it will save their life or the life of someone else in their family.
Or maybe the jab will give them complications like it has to many teenage boys who now have heart issues, not to mention those formerly healthy adults now at the mercy of the medical establishment.
Yeah, no thanks, when you have a 97% chance of winning, you take those odds.
The recovery rate varies. The overall recovery rate is not as important as the recovery rate for your demographic. If you are 30 with no underlying health issues and are not overweight you have a better chance of survival than a 70 year old with diabetes or a 50 year old who is obese.
With the ICU at 103% capacity (a third of beds occupied by COVID patients), a Houston man has been waiting for surgery in a hospital bed for 10 days after being shot as a bystander outside a grocery store. (Washington Post)
And we have illegals coming across our borders from all over the world with COVID. If you do not think that is contributing to the mess in the hospitals, think again. What has this government done about that.
I see, Very compelling arguement.
So, you’re really saying is that we should just go ahead and trust the experts, eh?
Which ones? Fauci of the “wear more than one mask/don’t wear a mask” janus logic and who funded the gain of function that resulted in this monstrosity? Or, perhaps the AMA of the Dr’s at 97% vaxx rate who now state that men can get pregnant and have a mensus?
Will this one get thru the pravda censors? Do you folks ever read what you write before posting? This is a reasonable question, IMO.
Use your common sense.
There are no experts on this because it has not been around long enough for anyone to know a whole lot about it.
Here is what helps: the vaccines, social distancing, masking, hand washing, surface cleaning
I though Biden/Harris were very irresponsible when he made the big deal of unmasking.
People in the media and politics are afraid of political and social consequences.
Use your head.
Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you wear sunscreen?
“Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you wear sunscreen?”
You compare the use of seatbelts and sunscreen with non approved, “vaccine” whose short term and long term health effects are either not fully know or fully understood.
As far as I know, folks aren’t loosing their jobs for not getting these “vax’s”
Have you heard of the now non use of HIPPA laws? Or, the Nuremburg mandates on the use of medical treatments without the consent of those they are applied to?
How about you let me alone to make my own decisions for myself? Who has more informed consent? Me or you?
Bishops, please proclaim with me the name and salvation of Jesus Christ from sin, death, and isolation, for goodness, eternal life, and communion with God and one another. That is what we clergy are ordained to do. I am a scientist with degrees in physical therapy and sports medicine; but I know my limits in science. I am a Catholic priest who know my mission as well to teach, guide, and sanctify as Jesus taught. I can suggest to people who ask me regarding scientific things to consult various authorities to help them form their conscience. The church has neither competency nor authority in all sciences and their application. She does have some moral guidance to offer. Holy Church has full confidence that the Holy Father cannot err in the declaration of matters of faith and morals when speaking ex cathedra of which virus/vax are not. Time to get back to sanctifying, teaching, and guiding according to Jesus Christ, and not every whim of modern opinion.
Are you signing off exemptions, padre?
Not askng for my wife but wondering if you do more than post alot of words. If so, perhaps you could post your contact info?
What does that first sentence even mean?
No fan of these two but news just broke that His Grace Cardinal Raymond Burke is on a ventilator with Covid 19 in Rome where he lives, please please pray for this holy man a true friend of the TLM.
Poor Cdl. Burke got Coronavirus while on a visit to his home state of Wisconsin, last week, and was put on a ventilator in the hospital on Sat. 8/14, I think—- the eve of the Feast of the Assumption. My heart hurt so much, when that news broke. Everyone has been fervently praying for his recovery. He is currently assigned to a post in Rome. He is age 73– a vulnerable age, for serious illnesses like Coronavirus. May Our Blessed Mother shower Cdl. Burke with a multitude of her healing graces, and totally cure him of Coronavirus.
I just finished saying the Rosary in Latin, the Litany of St. Joseph and the Litany of the Saints for Cardinal Raymond Burke.
Complete and Total Sell Outs
The successors to just ONE Apostle – Judas.
Forced compliance – the Marxist way.
No one is forcing compliance. He just told his priests not to lie for people who want claim a religious exemption to get out of vaccine mandates.
For some reason, the vaccine created to help stem the tide of the covid-19 virus and its variants has become a political issue. Yet, except for a few people, the vaccines to help stem the tide of other sicknesses aren’t, even though we must get them to be among other people. We don’t mind taking a vaccine for polio, measles, diphtheria, smallpox and ten or fifteen other shots that we give our kids. If we cut ourselves we gladly take vaccines to avoid lockjaw and renew it every ten years or so. Why is it now a badge of honor to refuse a vaccine that has shown that it can prevent deaths?
Bob One – I agree with you. Many deadly viruses and diseases are now a thing of the past due to vaccines and advances in medical research. Our kids had to be vaccinated to enter schools, and I’m glad they were. As for Cardinal Burke, whom I’ve always admired, I find myself sad that he has contracted this virus and also disappointed in him for his obstinacy in refusing to get the vaccine that could have prevented his illness and kept him off a respirator. There’s a lesson to be learned from this — that we don’t want to turn into small-minded, anti-technology Luddites.
I feel very badly for poor Cdl. Burke, who was publicly “anti-vax” and “anti-mask.” I did not agree with him on that, but will always admire and appreciate him as a great and faithful, orthodox Catholic leader. He was previously in the news in Rome, gallivanting around Rome maskless, proclaiming his “anti-mask,” and “anti-vax” beliefs, wanting all the churches to be open. Etc. And he got sabotaged by Coronavirus. At age 73, he is quite vulnerable. I am so sorry that he got Coronavirus and is on a respirator in a Wisconsin hospital. May Our Blessed Mother and her Divine Son shower her loving, healing graces upon Cardinal Burke. May he soon recover, and be in the best health possible. We are all fervently praying for him. Wonder what Cdl. Burke will say, when he (hopefully!) recovers? Will he still be passionately “anti-mask,” and “anti-vax?”
His condition has reportedly deteriorated and the next 48 hours are crucial. Please pray for him
You people don’t understand that the COVID vaccines aren’t vaccines in the sense for those other diseases you mentioned. Plus they are experimental, not fully approved, whereas the other vaccines have been proven safe and fully approved. Plus they appear to be worsening the infections.
You also don’t understand that this will never end unless we stand up to the government and media elites who are using this to control people.
How does standing up to “media elites” stop a virus? So far, standing against them means standing against common sense, medicine, science, and love, and has filled ICU beds in Texas and several other Southern states that have “stood up” and refused protective measures like the vaccines and masking. Now too many are lying down. Forever. Let’s pray that Cardinal Burke isn’t one of them.
You stand up to wanna be elites by telling Obama that his super spreader 60th birthday party should have been cancelled. The people of Martha’s Vineyard who tested positive after the party are victims of the so called elite.
Bob One, most people were so grateful when the era of “Modern Medicine” arrived. Before that era, and vaccinations– many children got illnesses and died, in their early years. It used to be said, that if a child can make it through all the “childhood illnesses” past age seven, he/she will be okay. Immunizations are very recent in our history– and have saved millions of childrens’ lives. Third-world countries are especially grateful for Modern Medicine. Natural medicines and preventive measures can also be effective. Prayer is very important, too. And the doctor’s gifts at “bedside manner,” are known to be “half the cure.” Once, long ago, when I was very sick with pneumonia, and couldn’t work, a Chinese neighbor brought me a special soup, which they said would help cure pneumonia. So I tried it. I also tried special treatments with a Chinese acupuncturist, and tried their herbs. I did this alongside Modern Medicine– and finally, I got well. Then, the doctor gave me the Pneumonia vaccination. Glad to get it. It stopped me long ago, from ever getting Pneumonia again. I was scheduled for the Pneumo-vax again, 15 years later– and got it.
I got the pneumonia vaccines, the latter ethical shingles vaccines and the tetanus, all of which do not use aborted fetal tissue in them or for testing. There is one of the biggest difference from those vaccines and the COVID vaccines that are offered now. I think if Cardinal Burke were to die, and I pray he does not, at least his conscience is clear. He was seen walking with a mask hanging from his hand outdoors, so I think he did use masks at times. Nothing protects us totally.
By winter there should be ethical COVID vaccines. Put money into those instead of unethical ones.
Anne TE– all true. I got the Pfizer vaccine. Yes, it is true Cdl. Burke was seen holding his mask, walking outdoors– so he may have worn it sometimes. It really doesn’t matter to me, what people decide to do.
My post of 8/17 at 8:44 pm got cut short. I just wanted to say, that regardless of anyone’s decisions on Coronavirus procedures– I don’t care, and will always support Cdl. Burke. I am terribly sorry for his very serious illness, and am “storming Heaven” with prayers for his recovery– as I know many others are doing. Glad Cdl. Burke is “close to home,” in a Wisconsin hospital, in the U.S.– not overseas, in Rome.
My Chinese neighbors, who brought me that special herbal soup to help me when I had pneumonia, and the Chinese lady acupuncturist that helped me, were all immigrants from Red China, and were parishioners at my church. God bless them and their families, who suffered in Red China, and escaped!
Bob One, there are both ethical and unethical vaccines for most of those diseases too. One should insist on the ethical ones when one can. “The Children of God for Life” gives those also. There is also ethical and unethical stem cell and transplant use. That website explains it all or has the proper links.
What happened to “follow your conscience”?
You can follow your conscience.
These bishops are not doctors or scientists, just guys with a liberal bully pulpit trying to force the flock to act against their will. Shame on these leftist bishops.
Many scientific and medical leaders, and even bishops, promote the use of the Covid 19 vaccines as a proportional good, stating that the use of the vaccines developed from a line of cells distantly related to aborted fetuses is a proportional good serving many that outweighs the evil done in destroying one human life.
Yet, for the majority of people, who are at low risk there are alternative therapies if one gets sick. For those who are high risk, consider what Pope John Paul says in his encyclical about “proportional” reasoning, and discuss with your confessor, and weigh the medical options with your doctor.
Here is what Pope John Paul says in paragraph no 62 and 63. “No law can make licit that which is illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God and proclaimed by The Church. The use of human embryos or fetuses as an object of experimentation constitutes a crime against the dignity of the human person, who have a right to the same respect owed a child once born. This moral condemnation of procedures that exploit living human embryos and fetuses, even for the treatment of diseases. The killing of creatures, even if carried out to help others, constitutes an absolutely unacceptable act”, (and I would add, especially since there are alternatives to the vaccine for those who are of low risk from the disease).
The Pope goes on to point out the consequences of not protecting the dignity of life. We then begin to treat all human beings as objects, and unleash a Cain vs. Abel, envious, scapegoating and violence upon society, tribalism rather than the rule of law, (the ease with which authoritarians disclaim the Hippa medical privacy law), the powerful who oppress the weak (authoritarians using health mandates to enhance their power), identity politics over free responsibility, ultimately, a darkening of conscience and the rise of an Authoritarian State (in our current time, enhanced by Big Tech)
God gave mankind these vaccines. St. John Paul II probably interceded on their behalf.
The dignity of life is not served by not getting vaccinated.
The mRNA vaccines were not developed from lines of fetal cells. Please give correct information. Thanks.
That’s rich, from the guy who doesn’t think Ivermectin is an effective treatment.
It is not a treatment. Please do not use the Internet as your doctor. Your physician will give you what he or she has available to treat you with. Where I live people are getting Ivermectin from vets and taking doses meant for horses in the false belief that it will help them. It is not an anti-viral.
Let the doctors do the doctoring, please.
Ivermectin is the same drug whether packaged for humans or animals. The exact same drug. Animal Ivermectin is not a different molecular composition from human Ivermectin. You want to take a dose appropriate for humans, but there’s nothing wrong with humans consuming animal Ivermectin in the correct dose. It’s safe. It’s the same drug. The same.
Cat food and dog food can be eaten by humans. It’s food. Just because it’s marketed or branded as for animals doesn’t mean humans can’t eat it.
Better to take a drug that has been used billions of times all over the world and proven safe and effective than to get jabbed with a sketchy vaccine that hasn’t been tested adequately and that nobody knows whose long term effects are.
Don’t self medicate. Go to a doctor and follow their advice.
The research and development of these vaccines used fetal cells from aborted babies. YFC is still clinging to the lies that these vaccines are clean, they are not, they are tainted with the murder of unborn babies.
If people believe your lies and die because of them, their deaths are on your hands.
Nonsense YFC. Those who produce and market abortion tainted products are blood soaked.
YFC does not tell the whole truth,
Astra Zeneca used the aborted cell line in both research (testing) and the vaccine itself. The others now on the market used the aborted cell line in testing, and there have been some serious allergic reactions in many people, including uncontrollable spasms and massive blood clotting, not in everyone but enough to cause serious concerns. All one has to do to find out the truth is to go to the “Children of God for Life” or St. John Paul II Institute. There are print outs on most or all of these websites.
People who propagate lies and misleading statements about the vaccine are tainted with deaths they could have helped prevent. No one can prevent a fetal death by refusing to take the vaccines, said to be tainted with a remote connection to cells from a fetus that already died decades ago.
Anne TE I very very very clearly have said mRNA vaccines all along. Astra Zeneca is not an mRNA vaccine.
Some are still selling baby body parts for use in experiments, David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt’s videos are proof of that. Yet many, many people deny that it is true, even though they KNOW it is true and want it covered up because of their own guilt. As long as people still use baby body parts, their consciences die, and the crime continues.
The encyclical of Pope John Paul II referred to is “The Gospel of Life” paragraphs 62 and 63
You want me to take your vaccine?
Well, I developed my own vaccine.
Good news, it’s just like your vaccine;
-No one knows what’s in it.
-There has not been sufficient time (usually several years) to determine if it is safe or effective.
So, I need human guineapigs to determine if there are any side effects.
If you want me to take your vaccine you have to take my vaccine first.
If you are not willing to take my vaccine then I am not willing to take your vaccine.
If you take my vaccine, it will be completely voluntary.
If you try to force me to take your vaccine, I will use lethal force if necessary to protect myself and my family.
I like your vax, Ron. I’ve got one too. It’s called Ignore Your Bishop Like Hell.
So far it’s working great!
People, even Christians, no longer understand what their purpose in life is. God did not make you to be like this. He wants you to be willing to die to help others. When I got my vax, I was prepared to die. I am prepared to die every day from whatever cause that God has foreseen since before the world began.
A lack of faith, hope and charity is the problem. People are selfish and narcissisitic and entitled now and it is getting worse.
Every medicine has “guinea pigs.” Some unselfish people are willing to do that.
Every car, every food product, every medical procedure, every form of energy has risks. That is how it is.
No one is promised tomorrow.
It is fine to use ones self as a guinea pig for the benefit of others as many of us have done so in the past. What is not fine, though, is to use ones self as a guinea pig if it requires the death of other innocents. We need to get off of that merry-go-round, and it stops with me.
It did not require the death of innocents. It is stopping the death of innocents.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Father Perozich: you have an interesting background for a priest. Most of the priests I know have been trained in philosophy and theology and have limited understanding of science. Like yourself, I have a scientific background. One of the many aspects of the Catholic faith I have admired is its emphasis on faith and reason. In fact, St. Pope John Paul II wrote a beautiful encyclical, Fides et Ratio, on the subject. Perhaps you have read it. It seems that as Catholics we are not required to leave our intellect at the Church door. We are to use our intellect to give glory to God by putting it to good use to solve problems, help others and spread the faith. With regards to the vaccine, there is no theological reason for Catholics to not receive the COVID vaccine…or any other vaccine for that matter. The Church has a long history of providing health and medical services to help those who are ill or in need. In fact, there is a network of outstanding Catholic Hospitals in the United States promoting the mission of the Church. So yes…preach the Gospel with words and with deeds such as helping the less fortunate and those in need.
Nothing new under the sun
7 Samar’ia’s king shall perish,like a chip on the face of the waters.
8 The high places of A’ven, the sin of Israel,shall be destroyed.Thorn and thistle shall grow upon their altars;and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us,and to the hills, Fall upon us.
9 From the days of Gib’e-ah, you have sinned, O Israel;there they have continued.Shall not war overtake them in Gibe-ah?
10 I will come against the wayward people to chastise them;and nations shall be gathered against themwhen they are chastised for their double iniquity.
29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed!’
30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘ Fall on us’; and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’
I used to love to read all about the fabulous healing miracles performed, by the grace of God– by Pope St. John Paul II, during his papacy. I got a wonderful book all about his miracles too, and gave copies to everyone I knew. Wonder what he would say, about the current Pandemic crisis? There are many forms of healing, both ancient and modern. Healing, and the field of medicine, is really an art– as well as a science. And some Saints– including Pope St. John Paul II– were richly blessed with healing gifts, as well as the gift to mystically “know” all the aspects of an illness, the progression of it, and the outcome. The Pope– bless him– sometimes had to tell patients, that the outcome would be death. Blessed Solanus Casey had the same wonderful gifts.
I am so sad for poor Cardinal Burke. His condition is now said to be very grave and deteriorating. He has a severe case of pneumonia, and is not responding to treatment. They say the next 48 hours are very crucial.
Responding to Your Fellow Catholic, the Secretariat of Pro Life Activities from the USCCB in their statement on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which are mRNA derived, admits a connection. It states “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion derived cell line in the development of their vaccine. HOWEVER, SUCH A CELL LINE WAS USED TO TEST THE EFFICACY OF THE VACCINE”
In their view, such a connection is “remote”. In my view, and that of several bishops, and many Catholics who have studied the issue, this “remote” connection, and the fact that “abortion derived cell lines” were used in the testing of the vaccine is a violation of what Pope John Paul says in the Gospel of Life, paragraph 62 and 63, which I summarized above. I also summarized there my own response when the faithful come to me for advice on whether to take the vaccine, or, with their doctor, weigh the other medical options.
This term “remote” in describing the connection of the use of aborted fetuses in the development of the vaccine, and thus, giving “persmission” to use it, is typical of the political nature of the USCCB, and failure to speak up and teach in a clear way on moral issues. As equally repugnant is their failure to do anything about McCarrick all of these years, particularly, given his backround, going along with him being sent to the CCP government in 2018 to represent The Church, and promise our silence about human rights abuses in China and Hong Kong, the thousands arrested and disappeared, the hundreds of thousands in labor camps, the organ harvesting, and the oppression of the practice of one’s religion.
What does McCarrick have to do with the virus or the vaccine? Nothing. You just bring him up to prove your antipathy to the teaching office of the Bishops, who you say are political. What is political about the virus? Nothing. I hope you actually took moral theology and know the significance of the term “remote”
The virus is not political, the government over reach is. Leftist politicos are attempting to make freedom loving people bow to their will.
No, we will not cave to political pressure, and YFC should stop with the propaganda about taking a potentially damaging or deadly shot for “love of others”.
Given that the post was from a priest YFC, you should accept that he knows the significance of the term remote.
Apologize? Why? First of all my post was extremely and unethically edited by CCD and doesn’t even resemble what I submitted so I’ll forgive you for not understaning the point it was making as written, since you never saw it. However, people have a right to disagree with priests especially when they opine on politics and not on matters of faith and morality. And in his post, he was criticizing the conclusions of most bishops on matters of morality.
I think they mean it is a remote cooperation with evil, which means that you are not contributing to the evil and with the presence of a serious reason, you can do it. The Church has said that there is no moral issue with taking the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines and that, if they are not available, you can even take the J&J vaccine.
You should not be telling people something other than what the Church is telling them.
You do not need to be scrupulous. You are not guilty of any wrongdoing in taking the vaccines.
it has nothing to do with McCarrick or China.
The moral weight of what Pope John Paul says in his encyclical that ” the use of human embryos or fetuses as an object of experimentation constitutes a crime against the dignity of the human person….procedures that exploit living human embryos and fetuses, even for treatment of diseases (as the Secretariat for Pro Life admits, that Moderna and Pfizer used aborted fetuses to test the vaccine), …even if carried out to help others, constitutes an absolutely unacceptable act” (Gospel of Life n. 63) outweighs the term “remote cooperation” used by the Secretariat for Pro Life of the USCCB.
The term “remote cooperation” is a legalistic/political dodge, and to claim that it is a “theological” term, a “smarter than thou” attitude to what is self-evident, is an example of what is wrong with many of our religious leaders. I gave an example of McCarrick to show how far these leaders have fallen in not doing anything about him, protecting their fiefdoms with the money he was able to raise, rather than doing the right thing.
Further evidence of the immorality of mandated vaccines. The scapegoating, which Pope John Paul predicted, because he lived through it under an authoritarian communist society. Rather than scapegoating the unvaccinated, who have made a private medical decision, weighing the medical options, a privacy protected by federal HIPPA laws, why not blame, and act upon those who caused this virus, and those who covered up it’s cause, and those who have benefited from the health authoritarianism that has resulted.
Furthermore, even the WHO, who have been negligent in investigating the cause of the virus, at least now points out the inequity of mandating the vaccine for healthy people in wealthy countries, while most people in the world, especially in poor countries, do not have access to the vaccine, especially the vulnerable elderly and those with comorbidities, especially those with diabetes.
Living human embryos don’t come from abortion and they were not used in the Moderna and Pfizer Vaccines.
Someone recommended the Children of God for Life website and it is a good resource.
We are not talking about embryos and fetuses. We are talking about cells originally derived from a baby aborted 35 years ago.
There are no aborted baby cells in the vaccines.
It is a cell line which means they are clones or replications of a cell from the baby but they are not the baby’s cells. And they are not in those vaccines.
We do not like using aborted babies or living embryos in research. It is immoral.
But this is not doing that. It is remote material cooperation which is licit in the presence of a proximate cause.
Saving millions of lives is a proximate cause.
You are kitchen sinking your argument.
There is nothing immoral about taking the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If you personally want to boycott them because of the use of the cell lines, that is your choice. But you should say that it is a personal decision and not what the Church says. The Church: what is declared bound on earth is bound in Heaven and what is declared loosed on earth is loosed in Heaven.
You can receive the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines with a clear conscience.
I sure would not be submissive to anything Cupich says after the stunt he pulled at the funeral Mass for the Chicago police officer. Apparently approving of giving the Eucharist to a non catholic and lesbian. Having the police chaplain step forward to distribute the Eucharist to Mayor Lightfoot when she approached. A blessing more appropriate
In response to “I believe in the Church”, according to the John Paul II Institute website, their document on the covid vaccine and other research that utilizes ” cell lines derived from aborted fetuses”, they are opposed to this research, citing papal encyclicals, and referring to many statements of bishops. As to the question of, what if there was a dangerous disease, and there were no other treatments available than that derived from cell lines of aborted fetuses, according to the Vatican website, this may be permissible, depending on the proportional good that must be weighed. It further states the need to develop adult stem cell lines for such research and treatments. In the case of covid, there are alternatives to vaccines derived from cell lines of aborted fetuses used to test the vaccine. The Vatican statement is really saying for us to pursue alternatives to vaccines derived from or utilize cell lines of aborted fetuses in their development.
I have looked at both the Pontifical John Paul II Institute website and the John Paul II Medical Research Institute’s website. I cannot find what you are referring to.
I would never agree to force someone to be vaccinated. That said, with a killer virus spreading across the country, if you are not vaccinated, don’t expect to be welcome at public gatherings, in church, at mass, at a restaurant, or in schools. The modern vaccines don’t have chips in them, they don’t change your genes or DNA, or even protect you from getting the virus. That isn’t their job. Their job is to keep you from getting so sick that you have to go to the ICU unit at the local hospital. No, wait. You can’t go there, they are full of young healthy people trying to not die. If you don’t make sure that your child is vaccinated for ten or fifteen different maladies, they can’s go to school. Why are there so many protests about this one vaccine? I don’t know either. Ask Tucker.
Happiness is in meditating on God’s law.
We pollute our minds and hearts by reading and listening to things of the world. And even things not of God in the Church.
Just pray for everyone. Be loving and forgiving like God.
God will take care of everything.
We are in a period of trial and testing and purification. Allow yourself to be purified. Abandon self-will.
Learn Scripture. Memorize the Word of the Lord.
There is a plenary indulgence which can be taken for yourself or offered for the souls in Purgatory for prayerfully reading the Bible for one half an hour.
I will keep Cardinal Burke in my prayers, however, stupidity (not getting the vaccine) can be painful and have dire consequences. Cardinal Burke should have listened to Pope Francis instead of Steve Bannon.