We are hurting. The public charge regulation being finalized this week is just the latest attack against immigrant families by this administration. Despite overwhelming opposition, the Trump administration has chosen to advance a regulation that directly harms families and communities and threatens a core principle of the American immigration system: family unity.
The public charge regulation reinforces a preferential option for the wealthy — rather than for the poor, as we find in the Catholic faith — and exacerbates fears already felt by immigrant communities. It cuts to the heart of the most basic realities for immigrant families and calls into question a more than 100-year-old recognition that health care and food are basic to the ways families provide for loved ones, remain productive and help communities thrive.
The current administration seems to find it increasingly difficult to identify and respect basic rights.
This announcement comes just after a punishing week for immigrants and for our Latino brothers and sisters in particular. Recently, in an act of domestic terrorism, a gunman stormed into a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, armed with an assault rifle and multiple magazines to, by his own admission, target “Mexicans.” He killed 22 people and injured a dozen more. The majority of the victims had Hispanic last names, and eight were in fact nationals of Mexico.
A manifesto apparently written by the assailant promoted white supremacist views, such as fearing “replacement” and blaming a “Hispanic invasion of Texas” for his actions. Immediately, troubled readers were able to draw parallels with some of President Donald Trump’s own verbal attacks on immigrants, including talk of an “invasion” and scaremongering about “open borders” and “fake news.” When a leader demeans and diminishes the humanity of a group of people, and paints entire populations as threats, those with hate in their hearts and guns in their hands are emboldened.
I call upon Catholics, other Christians and all people of faith and goodwill to pray for peace and to stand up against these attacks on working families and migrants, all our dear sisters and brothers. Be sure to contact your elected officials and protest this mistreatment of human persons. Justice demands truth-telling when dehumanizing, nativist and, frankly, racist rhetoric continues to characterize the president’s approach to immigrants in general, and our Latino brothers and Latina sisters in particular.
Full story at OC Catholic.
While I don’t necessarily disagree with the bishop, I find it interesting that he calls this president out by name. Did any bishop call out the previous president by name for his explicitly promoting assaults on preborn babies and their mothers? The bishop’s statement, “The current administration seems to find it increasingly difficult to identify and respect basic rights” should be applied equally to all presidents and their administrations when they fail.
Thank you Bishop Vann. It is about time that the Bishops speak out about the racism of our President.
The President is not racist, nor has he committed anything that would be deemed racism by objective thinkers. Racism is thrown around by leftists like it’s a self-validating charge that relieves them of having to think and reason. Bishop Vann is not very smart, nor is anyone who calls the President racist, because there’s no basis for the charge. Check your leftist bias.
The President started his policitcal career by irrationally challenging Obama’s citizenship. There were NO facts to support his claim, and in fact there were strong facts disproving his claim that Obama was born in Africa. Why, if he is not racist, would Trump have pretended that the first black President wasn’t a “real American”?
The President started his campaign by descending the escalator and proclaiming that Mexicans are rapists and murderers. And many many other insults. Here’s a rollup written more than 3 years ago: https://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-mexico-meeting-insult/
If the President isn’t racist, why would he say that the neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville almost exactly 2 years ago, were “fine people”. Can a person call Nazis “fine people” and NOT be racist?
Why did the President tell 4 American citizens, Congresswomen who are of color, to “go back” to where they came from? (3 of the 4 were born in the USA)
In case anyone needs a review about the Presiden’t racist statements: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
Vox and Time? You can’t be serious? We’ve already refuted all these lies. All proven to be “fake news”. Race-baiting is all the far left has left. So sad.
Ronnie, they are not lies and you didn’t refute any of them. You simply impugn sources because the facts are not on your side.
I almost always agree with our Bishop but this editorial was divisive and just added more division rather than shepherding. Something very disturbing about this very political diatribe. I can only hope that he is misinformed, not hostile. Just look at the posts. I thought Bishops words were right out of a liberal column. His politics shoul not be so obvious. He has never shown that outrage about the killing of the unborn, the sex trafficking of our young and of illegal immigrants, and other things I would rather not mention in some of our dioceses. I love my Catholic faith and I will not make it a political devise that stems from something other than God.
Mimi, I’m honestly trying to understand why racism shouldn’t be tackled, because it might be “divisive”. Please remember that we almost never revolted against England because the colonies were divided
over the topic of racism. The topic was so divisive that it nearly split our country amost a century later during the Civil War. Racism *IS* divisive. But unless we have the courage to tackle our country’s original sin, we don’t have much of a future together as a Republic. I really think we need to reflect deeply and not react reflexively about these important issues.
Mimi, A single quick Google search shows us that Bishop Vann has expressed outrage about the killing of the unborn. https://occatholic.com/bishop-vann-help-make-this-the-generation-that-ends-abortion/
And there are many other links proving same. It’s important to stick to the facts and not pretend that Bishops – including Bishop Vann- don’t speak out against abortion. It’s just simply not true.
Just like the “Russian Hoax” the Left is bent on smearing President Trump as a racist when it is in fact they who are the race-baiters and haters. Their unhinged, deranged obsession with seeing a racist under every true indicated some type of mental impairment to me.
He is indeed a racist, how can you not see it?
Anyone who disagrees with a leftist is quite obviously racist
If Trump is a racist what do you call a President who supported the “genocide” of Black children in the womb? I’m referring to President Obama of course. Only a unhinged, deranged leftist would claim that.
Did you say the same thing about the racism caused by President Obama?
This Bishop is rather clueless. Even the Bible has justified borders and the rule of law. What is wrong with Bishop Vann? He does not say that the government gives the Church so many dollars per immig.
Typical liberal clap trap from Your Fellow Catholic, who tries to wraps up disdain for President Trump in a Catholic way, Not! We who read this site know your disregard for the duly elected president is off the charts, finding an ideological friend in Vann does not covert your personal opinion to fact.
You should try reading the facts, at least occasionally, Kristin.
She is stating the facts that’s why Kristine’s right!
A Latino can be of any race.
Bishop Vann’s Trump statement is divisive and hateful.
Joel Fargo, your comment made me re-read the article. I could find nothing divisive or hateful. Our President, even if well-intentioned, speaks and tweets racist comments almost daily. He encourages, by his own actions and comments, people who believe in white supremacy. He pits city against rural, coastal against heartland, educated against less educated, country against country. He calls members of the media enemies-of-the-people, at dog whistle used by dictators. I don’t think it is the Bishop wh is divisive and hateful.
Bob, what racist comment did Mr. Trump make today or yesterday (“almost daily”)?
Oh boy Bob, you better stop watching the “fake news” for awhile. What racist statement or tweet did he ever put out there? Evidence please. White supremacy too? Please take a break from the deranged unhinged left wing media!
Ronnie and Curious, I hardly know where to start. How about his rants about Obama’s birthplace. Racism to the core. How about his “There were good people on both sides” of the white supremacist marches? How about telling elected member of Congress to go back where they came from when they were born in the US? How about trying to ban all Arabs from entry into the country? How about his calling all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores? How about his plan to ban children born in the US from citizenship in total opposition to the Constitution? How about … If you don’t think his approach to governing isn’t racism, I suggest that you study his words better. If anyone thinks he stands for the American ethos, God bless this country in its demise.
Bob, start with providing one simple, specific example: when did the President call “all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores?”
Bob…Didn’t everyone question Obama’s birthplace considering he identified as a Kenyan in his book and his grandmother admitted to it on an audio recording. Whatever, but that doesn’t make someone a racist. As for the lie “There were good people on both sides” of the white supremacist marches? You’ve got to be kidding. He never said that there were good people on the white supremacist side only those protesting taking down the confederate flags were good people. Nice try again.
By the way Bob who is more racist: those who support the elimination of the Black race through abortion (the left), denying African American children school choice so they can advance in life, those who run the cities were crime is rampant; or those who want to help Blacks attain true freedom.
Correction: Confederate statues instead of Confederate flags….
Ronnie you know perfectly well that its a lie to say that the left wants the elimination of the black race through abortion. I know you are passionate about being pro-life, and good for you , but please tell the truth.
Ronnie asks “Didn’t everyone question Obama’s birthplace…” No, actually, very very few people did.
YFC….Of course when you support policies which result in the “genocide” of African Americans through abortion (14% of the population, 36% of all abortion; in NYC alone more Black children are killed through abortion than are born alive!) I will repeat yes the Left, whether intentionally or not, are killing off the Black population.
Keep trying Ronnie. The “left” is not to blame for abortion. The Left doesn’t believe in telling women what to do with their bodies. Only the right tells women what to do with their pregnancies.
Not only is Ronnie trying he is succeeding.. The Left is completely to blame for abortion, yes I do want to tell women to do with their bodies because the one inside is not theirs.
No need to keep trying, the facts are perfectly clear. By the way, you’re forgetting someone. What about the body of the little girl/boy? Where are their rights? Yes, you’re absolutely right, I and others do want to stop the violence in the womb, which results in one dead and one wounded, over 60 million victims and millions of wounded mothers.
First: i am definitely NOT a trump fan
Next: Vann is NOT that bad of a bishop
by contemporary standards (bar is set pretty low)
BUT to focus on TRUMP misleads the Faithful and
is the voice of the WOLF and not the Shepherd
Run the clock back a few years and it would have been
just as misleading to focus on Obama.
Just ONE aspect of the putative white supremecist
agenda: the putative “Hispanic invasion of Texas”
Well, “whitey” has been busily aborting and contracepting
himself out of existence since the 1960’s. What may look
like an invasion is a demographic vacuum created by
white America disproportionately.
Where in HELL were the bishops for the last half-century plus
speaking out against birth control and abortion???
these guys have a helluva lot of nerve speaking out
against ANY politician or party.
the US bishops have largely been a waste of ski(black, white or brown – it don’t matter)
One wonders if it is better to condemn the bishop. Instead of words of criticism, B. Vann should be praising Trump everywhere as a man, one of the very few political men, who stands up to Planned Parenthood and actually speaks for the unborn. What a fool is the bishop, praising his Protestant Crystal Cathedral ruination, while attacking a man who stands on moral principle. Time for a new bishop.
The bishop is a disgrace. As you said, pushing a hideous modernist “cathedral” on the diocese while promoting leftist politics instead of the gospel. California is a wasteland. Never thought I’d long for the days of Bishop Todd Brown, but I do.
So many problems with what this bishop is saying. Where does one even begin?
Golly, Bishop Vann, read Matthew 7:1 lately? So police officers and federal agents who do their job and enforce the laws enacted by Congress and who are armed while they do it, are “full of hate?” If you don’t like the current law then what are YOU doing to get it changed? Have you written on letter or made a phone call to the Speaker of the House, a purported Catholic? It’s common knowledge its her majority in the House of Representatives that is holding up any meaningful immigration legislatin.
Except the El Paso shooter left a manifesto in which he explicitly said his views preceded Trumps’ presidency. So, Vann’s accusation and argument are completely unfounded and only reveal his Democrat bias and his hatred for the President. Vann didn’t do basic investigative research because he’s more interested in pushing a false leftist narrative than the truth. Vann is a lousy bishop. Trump is the best President since WWII.
Oh, but no mention of the Dayton shooting soon after, by a leftist who hated the President. Only talk about what fits the false narrative that Vann and other leftists are trying to push. See how Dayton has been completely ignored by the media but El Paso talked about incessantly and built into something it’s not? Liberals are deceitful. And Vann is showing himself to be a liberal. When you start thinking, you stop being a liberal. Please start thinking, bishop.
Orange County (bishop Vann’s territory) flipped blue after having been red for decades. Vann’s just providing red meat for his constituents to win their approval.
While I think Bishop Vann has done a lot of good in this diocese, I do not agree with him on this issue. It has been reported over and over that children have been stolen from their families by people to be able to cross the border and when they get here – they just leave them. There is a big human trafficking problem. How else can we stop this? I also agree with above, President Trump has done so much for this country. Where were our bishop when they mostly supported Obamacare and it has destroyed healthcare for most? We have the Catholic medical system that should be able to help, not the government. It’s time for the Church to step up and be supportive of this President. He is the most Pro- life President we have ever had.,
Inasmuch as I want to agree with Bishop Vann in this issue, I simply cannot. Orange County and LA County are inundated with problems stemming from illegal immigration which include but not limited to economic dependence in government and NGO, drug use and sales, gang violence, housing problems and low test scores in school as a whole due to the language barrier. He should understand that most of them do not want to assimilate or acculturate. The Bishop should condemn Abortion, Planned Parenthood and the Left’s attack on the suburban way of life.
Thank you Bishop Vann for speaking out against President Trump’s inhumane policies. In spite of his defenders, President Trump is not above the law or criticism. May God Bless Us ALL!
Inhumane? And what do you call a President and the others who supported and promoted killing little girls/boys in the womb at the moment of death and even after if they survive their execution through abortion?
Again, Ronnie, Obama did not support the use of abortion. You seem to think that because the Constitutional framers didn’t mention abortion that he should have. The constitution doesn’t allow him to prohibit abortion, but that doesn’t mean he supports it. We who believe abortion should be prohibited need to amend the constitution. Please tell the truth!
Obama supported abortion like no other president. I know you on the satanic left will not be happy until women have the right to slaughter their babies up to moment of birth. This is why there will never be peace between nor do I want it
Not only that but when he was in the Illinois Senate he championed infanticide!
You keep trying to change the subject from the racism of Donald Trump. It’s not about Obama, past president and past Illinois legislator, it’s about the current President. Donald Trump. And HIS racism. Change the subject all you like, but you can’t cover up and hide racism.
The deranged Left can’t let it go because if Trump is not a racist they are without any issues. Sad that name-calling is their issue.
Anonymous…Oh, please get over it before you do any more damage to your mental health. . Trump is not a racist. It’s only an unhealthy obsession of the continuing Left’s delusionary ideas about him. Remember the Russian Hoax. Here we go again….
Democrats have lots of issues: access to healthcare, humane treatment of asylum seekers, care for the environment, economic opportunity, access to higher education, family leave for mothers and fathers, a strong national defense & collaboration with allies, voting rights, equal rights for all Americans, common sense gun regulation in keeping with the second amendment, promoting green jobs, excellence in STEM endeavors and education, equality and diversity in faith and ethnicity, fighting human trafficking, a strong safety net for the less fortunate, trade policies that ensure a welcome reception to American products and keep costs down for American consumers, and a balanced budget. the list goes on. See – it’s not just about racism, though anti-racism is also one of the things that Democrats are proud to support.
Anonymous…So if there are other issues, then debate them instead of the continuing ad hominin attacks against the President. And maybe the Left should let go of their hatred and race-baiting for awhile and maybe we can have a good discussion about the issues.
Would that Bishops would protest Catholic abortion supporters as vigorously as this! I have no respect for bishops who do not speak as loudly about Catholics voting for pro-abortion politicians as they do about border issues. Intrinsic evil vs. prudential judgment.
Frankly, the views of Bishop Vann relative to Trump and ignorant and divisive. It would be a far better thing if Vann railed against abortion instead of Trump who is fighting Planned Parenthood. I am disgusted with Vann..
This man has no business being a Bishop. What he is spreading is hate itself.
Respectfully, The Bishop is factually, wrong. And not for the first time! And here I was, waiting for a fair and balanced good word from Bishop Vann for our President, for his Pro-Life work on behalf of the unborn ..: for fighting against Planned Parenthood. Working hard to deny them taxpayer funding for abortion. The Church should be celebrating the most Pro-life President ever!
Sick of It! I don’t need propaganda from my Church! There’s enough of that in the biased news media. Is that all you watch Bishop Vann? I sincerely, pray you will seek some perspective.
Here’s an idea, for those who take exception to these types of remarks… Don’t support with your dollars, that which doesn’t reflect your values. Maybe the leadership will get the message….
Part of me feels bad to post my truthful views.I want to convey them with Christian charity. Though, none, seems ever to be afforded to President Trump.
Prayers for Christ’s Church, for Bishop Vann and for President Trump! ???
Bishop Vann has a right to his opinion on this. But, as the first comment says, Bishops have not said a word about Politicians supporting abortion for quite some time, the same is true of Bishops keeping quiet over the sexual insanity in our country and here in California. Bishops have been silent against the hatred of Police, Priests and the violence done to Catholics in many parts of the world. Bishops have been silent about the anger and violence of groups like ANTIFA and the Proud Boys, MS-13 and the Drug Cartels, the problem of parents dragging children across a dangerous country to try and smuggle them into the U.S. illegally, the problem of people using those children after stealing them from their parents, the problem of disease and crime coming from the homeless population in our big cities. Oh, there are a lot of things the Bishops have been silent about.
But Bishop Vann has a right to his opinion on this.
Bishop Van like so many other bishops is sorely uninformed on this issue. Part of the problem is that these immigrants who illegally enter into our country then think they don’t need to observe ANY of our laws. How would B Vann like it if the Catholics in his diocese picked and chose which Catholic beliefs they were going to observe or NOT? One can’t have it both ways and I wish the good bishop would take the time to educate himself on this subject.
“How would B Vann like it if the Catholics in his diocese picked and chose which Catholic beliefs they were going to observe or NOT?” DUH! They have been doing this for years due to poor catechesis.
VPMary, decide of whom you speak, please. People who enter our country illegally are one category. Those who come seeking asylum are another category. Illegals should be sent back. Asylum seekers have certain rights that must be recognized and followed. Even the illegals who have been here for years follow our laws, otherwise, they would be in jail – they pay taxes, they pay their mortgage, they pay FICA taxes, they pay property tax, they buy cars, register them and buy insurance. They don’t break ALL our laws. Data doesn’t support your claim. In any case, once they are in our country, we as Christians must treat them humanely. No cages, no separation of families, quick determination of status, etc.
Bob One answer this directly: Should we allow anyone to enter this country just because they feel they are “oppressed”
Bishop Vann’s Comments are embarrassing, and clearly show that he’s in full communion with the Democrat Party’s efforts to use any means (lies, distortions, half-truths) to regain power in order to abort more children and indoctrinate youth with the evils of homosexuality and all its perverted collateral. Nations have a right to secure borders – this is long established church teaching.
You’re correct Michael in LA. Every nation has the right to secure borders. Everyone who enters our country illegally should be returned to the place from whence they came, and quickly. This happens routinely. The security professionals at the border are overwhelmed, however, with those seeking entry legally. If someone comes to an official port of entry, and ask for asylum, they enter the “system.” In the last couple of years, the administration has treated these people like animals while they wait for their court dates. Thes are the people who wait in cages, who have babies taken from their mothers and sent all over the country to who knows where? That is what aid workers are complaining about. The way they are treated doesn’t represent who we are as a nation. It’s not a Democrat or Republican issue but is a human issue, and it is a violation of how the church teaches us to treat others.
Obama’s cages you mean?
Obama did not separate children from their parents.
Yes, Obama did separate families and yes, he housed unaccompanied children in tent cities. .
Money I would have given to the diocesan collection will be donated instead to President Trump’s reelection campaign.
I trust this President Trump. I do not trust Bishop Vann. I wonder what Bishop Vann is doing to counter unbelief in the Real Presence. Bishops who buy and re-decorate glass Cathedrals should not throw stones
Dear Shepherd
Your sheep are so much better informed than you are. President Trump is only enforcing the laws of the country to protect the citizens. He is the most pro social justice president we have ever had. He has reduced the unemployment rate so drastically in the last 2 years. It is the lowest in 50 years. Can you imagine the pride of a paycheck for so many marginalized folks? He has done more for the poor and disadvantaged than any government or church has been able to do in centuries. JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! That’s what real social justice is about. Not perpetual handouts.
Read the works of Alliance Defending Freedom…an organization mostly run by non- Catholic Christians who really know how to see Jesus in the everyday person. They fight for Religious Freedom which is seriously under attack by the Democrat Party.
Your ignorance of current events is astounding.
You expect Catholics to live by the Catechism of the Catholic Church and you are not willing to encourage your flock to live by the Constitution of the USA.
I have been praying for you for a long time…since the time I received Holy Communion from you and it was like you were passing our a pamphlet on raising money for the Cathedral. I was shocked. I wondered if you knew that the host you gave me was truly the Body of Christ. Time for you to get serious of the greatness of the celebration of the Body and Blood of Jesus. Take a months retreat in silence and then you will hear the sacred whisper from our Loving Jesus and feel the gentleness of his arms around you and beg the Holy Spirit to gift you with all you need to be a Catholic shepherd worthy of a faithful flock.
Memo to Bishop Vann. Before you even mention the name of President Trump, I surely would have expected you to mention the names of all the Bishops, Archbishops and Cardinals in the US who are homosexual and actively practice homosexuality, prey on young Catholic men, or provide cover for same. Until then, I do not want to hear you speak out against our President. Have a nice day and enjoy your glass palace.
Not everything is about the gay.
The Bishop’s baseless condemnation of the President is one of the saddest things I have heard.
With all the respect a Bishop deserves, he has no right to “condemn” a dully elected President, because by default the Bishop is also condemning all of us Catholics who voted for a PRO-LIFE President! I am tired of listening to Catholics who rather side with issues that appeal to emotions. I am a legal immigrant, I came to this country using the laws written in this nation! The Catechism of the Catholic Church CCC 2241 is clear about how a nation has a right to protect its border and the duty of Catholics is to obey them. This is NOT a racism issue, but an issue of obeying the laws that preven children from being trafficked, raped or abused on a long, dismal journey from their countries! Why are this parents bringing children to a war zone where narcos and coyotes are preying and charging so much money to them? Where is the outrage? Bishop, where is the outrage to the millions of unborn Hispanic babies killed in the womb? Why Obama did not get condemned by you? I will pray that the Lord guide your spirit and lift the veil to see more clearly the real spiritual battle that is going on. God Bless
One Peter Five has an article by Peter Kwasniewski that rips Vann’s new cathedral to shreds, even pointing out occult and Freemason imagery and architectural elements all over the structure. Yes, people, we have to seriously consider whether the church in Orange has been infiltrated.
So many great comments. I ask the good bishop why he doesn’t clean his own house — starting with the despicable Religious Ed Conference in Orange County? President Trump is more Catholic in his actions than many Catholic Bishops. The USCCB has the level of credibility as the US Congress. Certainly, this is nothing to be proud of!
And the bishops go on Facebook to ask for ideas on how to bring people back to the Church. Such a clueless bunch!
Will EWTN take the bishop to task for his baseless comments? Probably not because EWTN has a cushy headquarters in the new cathedral’s tower. They know who breads their butter.
Condemns the most pro-life president every elected? Is this how these bishops plan on getting through the narrow gate
The comments on this article are interesting; most are on point, but many irrelevant. This article is not about the Cathedral or anything else but how immigrants are treated by our government. But, the comments do illustrate a wide gap in how Catholics approach the Church and National issues. For example, the issue of abortion becomes a central call against the Bishop(s). Some would vote for Trump solely because of his efforts to abolish its availability. Some hate Obama because of his support of abortion. For many, it is the sole criteria for determining one’s vote. As bad, immoral, hideous, as abortion is, does it override all the other issues with which we are concerned? Should it?
Absolutely because without life all other issues are meaningless. Obama’s pro-abortion, pro-infanticide agenda was the worse of course, which lead to, I believe, all his other destructive policies which he pushed like same-gender confusion which lead to the destruction and redefinition of the natural family, violations of religious, civil rights and human rights. There are just too many to list.
Bob, My question to you above was sincere. You stated you didn’t know where to start, so I asked you, “start with providing one simple, specific example: when did the President call ‘all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores?’” That is what you claimed.
THey aren’t immigrants. THey are illegal aliens.
To answer your question, Bob, yes and yes.
Hey Bob One, if it was YOU who was to be aborted, that would be the overriding issue for you, wouldn’t it??!! Of course it would. Extend the same concern for other lives, unborn as they may be. No seamless garment nonsense, there really is a moral order to issues.
Kristin, I was one who might have been aborted. Instead, my unmarried teenage mother went “to visit her aunt out of town” as they did in those days. So, abortion is a very serious and personal issue for me. But, there are other issues as well. I’m afraid I do buy into the seamless-garment argument. Pro-life is more than pro-birth. There are other things that have to be considered when we make political choices. Some of our current leaders are anti-abortion but anti-christian in almost all their other actions. But, don’t tell me that abortion isn’t a personal issue of the first order.
Bob One, you should be afraid for buying into the seamless garment argument! It prioritizes lots of minor social issues before the LIFE and DEATH issue of abortion. No contest, LIFE is first and foremost. Kudos to your brave mother who bore you under difficult circumstances, she did the right thing in the midst of a crisis and it wasn’t just about birthing you, it was also about caring for and nurturing you, whether she or someone else did that for you. Pro life means more than just pro-birth, as your birth mother understood. Abortion is more than a “political choice” – it ends a family tree. Your children, your progeny, are here thanks to a heroic teen. Give thanks for her strength!
Bob One: Yes and Yes
This rant has Greg Walgenbach all over it, the Director of Life, Justice (?) and peace. Shame on Bishop Vann. He was silent while President Obama went on an all out attack on our Religious liberties, forcing us to pay for abortion and abortifacient drugs in Obamacare. We had to watch the Little Sisters of the Poor appeal to the court for relief of his onerous mandate. And the attack on family and the meaning of family.
What happens Bishop when immigrant children arrive here and find out their children can be taken from school by a school official to obtain an abortion, and returned to school before the bell rings without the parent’s knowledge? Where is the outrage Bishop?
FYI: Bishops can walk with their croziers and chew gum at the same time.
You assume too much. Don’t throw shade to them all, many are evil and are leading souls to hell. Many are actively homosexual and refuse to condemn that kind of behavior. People will go to hell because they trusted tainted shepherds. As President Reagan said, “Trust but verify”. Wise!
To avoid children separation keep families in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. If already here, send unit back to where they belong. Bishop Vann has to play nice with the Jesuit Argentinian pope who put him where he is. In the meantime these bishops greedy for Federal Funds help deconstruct the social fabric of our Nation, which is not Aztlan.
Dear Bishop Vann,
I do apologize for my comments. After some time to think about your anti Trump rant, I figured out that you were not the author of the rant.
If Mr. Walgenbach had any courage, he would have signed his name to his rant. I don’t think you are a hateful person and that you believe for one minute that President Trump’s comments to protect American citizens from those people illegally entering the our country are racists. I believe that you believe in the US Constitution and the importance of protecting American citizens and that that is the job of the President. WE know that most of the illegals entering the country are good wonderful people caught up in a government quagmire of horror caused by their respective presidents and they want to flee so they can find jobs and provide food for their families. I think that’s what you and I believe and we, and most people, have great compassion for them.
The problem is we have laws as does Mexico to control our borders so criminals cannot enter and laws that protect our citizens. Thousands of these dear people simply cannot enter forcefully because of their government’s corruption. These hordes of people are supported by drug cartels and one world government organizations who fund their hostile invasion of the US. The numbers are staggering and it is almost impossible to handle such a overwhelming invasion purposely funded by the cartels and such to purposely put our leaders between a rock and a hard place. The world knows that our President is trying his best and that we are a great people, a great nation, loving and caring for those oppressed but when they are organized in this fashion, by these anti American hate groups, it is hard for our President and our leaders to take care of everyone well and right away.
Poor Mr. Walgenbach does not know this as he is poisoned by the left ideologues and hate for President Trump. Why you permit him in your name to write his hate speech is hard for me to understand..
Good management principles demand that a person in your position delegate authority to others. I get that. They also demand that you inspect what you expect. That’s where you have dropped the ball. Greg Walgenbach is so poisoned that he thinks pro life means the same as feeding the poor and other social justice endeavors. Social justice programs can only serve those who are born. Being prolife comes first. It is not some crazy idea mixed with a bunch of other good ideas. It is first. Check the CCC if you need to. DO you know what Greg is teaching in your name??? I doubt it.
Do you know that your secretary told me that nothing gets by her? That she apparently filters and determines everything that you see ? So what are her filters? DO you know?? How can you be in touch with your flock when your information is controlled by others to such an extreme extent?
Inspect what you expect. And do you ever read the OC Catholic cover to cover? I do and I cannot believe some things that I read that your staff calls Catholic.
This ?? Should be hard copy mailed to the Bishops Office!
Bishop Van is deliberately misinterpreting Biblical principles to promote his brand of illegal immigration/socialism… the Bible teaches charity of one’s OWN time and money. Socialism teaches charity with OTHER people’s time and money. So….not the same thing good Bishop. Lastly, illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayer billions of dollars annually. How would the Bishop like to foot that bill? Let’s have some spiritual integrity B. Van.
By their fruits you shall know them. Thank you Bishop Vann for having the courage to speak out. The people seeking asylum in the US are human beings not “illegal aliens”. Trump is a liar. Who is paying for the wall? We are! Where is your great and beautiful health care- better than the ACA? No where! If the president had a vision for the future, the USA would be addressing the issues in Cental America (an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!) instead of fighting a war in Afghanistan. JJ&M help us!
Bob One, you’ve posted several times, but still haven’t answered my sincere question: start with providing one simple, specific example: when did the President call “all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores?” You’re making a serious allegation about a person. Calumny is still a sin. I’m presuming you’re a Catholic, or at least some type of Christian, and the Ten Commandments still apply: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” If Mr. Trump called “all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores,” as you claim, when and where did he do so?
Start here, then ripple out. https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history. To suggest that Mr. Trump is not racist is to have one’s head in the sand. Like I said, I’m not sure where to start. I can’t copy hundreds and thousands of tweets.
Vox? Race-baiters please go away. Your unhinged, deranged words and actions are hopefully waking Americans up to the insanity of the Left! So maybe yes, bring it on. Perhaps good can come from your evil smears and hate!
I’m just asking for you to document ONE claim you made, that Mr. Trump called “all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores?” And you want to tell me where my head is?! You’re making a serious allegation about a person. Calumny is still a sin and the Ten Commandments still apply: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” If Mr. Trump called “all Mexicans and Central Americans criminals and killers and whores,” as you claim, when and where did he do so? Bob, it’s a simple question. Unsubstantiated accusations should not be made against either the President or Bishop Vann. We are people who should deal with the truth.
Vox… ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha bought and paid for by the Soros crows
The attacks on Bishop Van by some posters are a disgrace. These attacks are a sin! As I read through these negative posts I substitute President Trump’s name for Bishop Vann’s names and suddenly the posts make sense!
Sybella: ha ha! What a great technique for dealing with the rants posted against a Bishop Vann by people who appear to have not read his letter nor who are probably Catholics. :)