Mexicali — As it did not have a majority of 17 votes required for a constitutional amendment, the initiative for same-sex marriages was rejected, with 15 votes in favor, three against and seven abstentions.
The constitutional amendment was intended to eliminate marriage as being only between a man and a woman.
Deputies Morena, Monserrat Caballero, Miriam Cano, Rosina del Villar Casas, Araceli Geraldo, María Luisa Villalobos, Eva Rodríguez and Julia Andrea González voted in favor of the amendment; in addition Gerardo López of the PRD, Elí Topete of Movimiento Ciudadano, Juan Manuel Molina and Ramón Vásquez de Morena; Fausto Gallardo of the PVEM; Julio César Vásquez Castillo of the PT and the independent María Trinidad Vaca Chacón voted in favor as well.
In abstention were Claudia Agatón from the PT; Carmen Leticia Hernández, Juan Meléndrez Espinoza, Víctor Manuel Morán and Víctor Navarro de Morena; David Ruvalcaba of the PRI and the independent Miguel Ángel Bujanda
Efrén Moreno from the Transform Party mentioned that the word marriage comes from the parent word, so this is only between a man and a woman in which one of their purposes is procreation….
David Ruvalcaba of the PRI, opined that a little more should have been expected for this proposal to achieve the necessary moral consensus and thus avoid another confrontation with society….
The above comes from a July 17 story (translated and edited) in El Sol de Tijuana
That the ammendment came so close says a lot.
Yep about how confused everyone is on gender confusion!
Do some of these people have a death wish? Practicing sodomy in this time of COVID 19 certainly is not going to help anyone’s immune system, whether it is with one pardner or more. The body is just not constructed that way. Oh, well some people just have to learn the hard way.
COVID is not spread by “sodomy”. It is spread by people vocalizing and breathing and caughing in closed spaces.
YFC, let’s see: breathing and vocalizing in an enclosed space (and not six feet apart). I think you just proved Anne’s point about the practice of sodomy and the spread of any flu. I suspect such behavior is more likely to spread the Communist Chinese flu, even if done outside, than singing on the Golden Gate Bridge or even in the large cathedral in San Francisco. Honestly, don’t you think so?
It tears certain parts of the body, which can lead to infections. Not good for the immune system anyway one looks at it. Just one more nail in a person’s coffin.
It’s no secret that sodomy makes one more susceptible to death by covid. Read about copraphagia. It’s rampant among gays. Disgusting. So many gay sex practices are bad for health. Medicine would be united in opposition to gay sex if it weren’t for the ideological corruption of medicine and science in our day.
Sodomy is a death warrant anyway to the body as well as the soul.
“YFC”, can a reasonable rejection of sodomy never be left alone by you? Clearly the Anne TE comment is based on the social distancing norms of the day, and the Catholic moral teachings which are as valid today as ever.
Homosexual practice has been condemned as unnatural and sinful and lead to all sorts of physical (and psychological) damage. Pretty straightforward point from Anne TE.
Oh I must be famous! I have someone named after me!
Dear Question for YFC. FIrst of all, it is not even a flu. Second, I doubt the novel coronavirus has a political ideology at all, but I’m pretty sure it is not communist. Thirdly, The novel coronavirus has been sequenced ini ts entireity and there are no Chinese genes found within it. Forth, sodomy is a sexual practice that is practiced by some homosexuals as well as some heterosexuals, and oftentimes not practices by either. Fifthly, the virus is spread between people by close contact in interior spaces, so if there is transmission, it probably happenned before the “sodomy” ever happenned. Sixthly, this is just a distraction since everything in some people’s minds is about the gay. Would you like my autograph now? :D
YFC, “It is better to remain silent and let everyone think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”. Once again you prove you are not the sharpest pencil in the box. I only read your posts for the entertainment value.
With all the clamor about respecting indigenous peoples and their cultures, why does the U.S. continue cultural imperialism and not accept the fact that many peoples still hold to what marriage really is?
Rich, influential gays and their virtue-signalling allies in media and politics here should not force their elite lifestyles on Mexicans and others.
Amen! Viva Christo Rey!
Exactly! Why can’t we (the U.S.) keep our hands out of other nations’ affairs? Why can we not respect their culture? We don’t have to “agree,” but we need to “respect.” And, as a matter of fact, I do agree with their culture respecting marriage with the traditional definition… and even if I didn’t agree, it’s none of my business because it’s not my country.
Actually, the movement towards equality for LGBT people arises around the world because LGBT people around the world want their equality, not beause of “rich influential [American] gays”. And being gay is an “elite lifestyle”? Oh ok, tell that to the average gay who makes less than the average income in the USA, are more likely to encounter violence on the streets, and have to put up with insults most days of the week.
YFC, according to the Harvard Business Review, “gay men in recent years earned substantially more than straight men with similar education, experience, and job profiles.” And, they usually have more disposable income because they do not naturally have children.
Are you claiming that the worldwide LGBTQ+ “rights” campaign is not funded primarily by Americans (and some affluent Europeans)?
And, is there any evidence for your claim that gay persons are more likely to encounter violence on the streets? (If so, I’m seriously interested, as that would be an injustice that we should work to rectify.)
Viva matrimonio! Thank you for the kind questions. It might be true that gay men, who make up a minority of LGBT people earn more as you say when controlled for education experience and job probiles. I haven’t seen that study and I’d be interested in reading it if you can find a link. I am talking about average incomes of all LGBT people, and rates of poverty. Here is one infographic to illustrate that last point: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/LGBT-Poverty-in-US-by-SOGI.png
The go-to place for all kinds of socioeconomic data as it relates to LGBT people is the UCLA Williams Institute, an academic research center that subjects much of their research to peer review. Their page on the economic conditions of LGBT people is here: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/issues/economics-poverty/
With repect to violence, the Human RIghts Campaign put out this report. While not the most objective source on the planet, more academically oriented studies show the same things: https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/Hatecrimesandviolenceagainstlgbtpeople_2009.pdf?_ga=2.87312410.340357173.1595264690-1088019352.1595264690
YFC, fair enough. I hear your point about LGBTQ income generally.
How about my question regarding the funding of LGBTQ advocacy?
And, calling the HRC “not the most objective source” is like calling the BLM organization “not the most objective source” on police brutality.
John Jay College or any reputable sources for your claim about violence on the streets being more directed at gays than others?
Viva matrimonio! Thanks again for the respectful questions. The answer about the funding of LGBTQ advocacy is more complex than we can get into here. It is actually not as funded by white gay men as you might imagine. It is being funded by the Ford Foundations of the world, the Amazon company people, wealthy donors in Europe, etc. But in the first place, the funding question is a red herring. Every social movement in history has been funded, to the extent that it needs to be funded, by people with funds. People without funds, as I have explained, can’t fund their own movement. It’s just literally that basic. But that doesn’t make it illegitimate. It only recognizes the economic realities that people without disposable incomes can’t deploy them to promote things that they believe are right and just, or stand up for their own rights under law. This is exactly why we have organizations like SPLC, ACLU, HRC, NCLR, etc etc.
YFC, still waiting for an answer to, “John Jay College or any reputable sources for your claim about violence on the streets being more directed at gays than others?”
Why not believe what the FBI says?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/06/28/anti-gay-hate-crimes-rise-fbi-says-and-they-likely-undercount/1582614001/
I do generally trust FBI crime statistics. But, the article you reference shows a slight increase in crimes against members of the LGBTQ community. That is, of course, bad. That does not address your claim that street violence is directed more at gays than others.
Hate crimes against Muslims, Christians, blacks, immigrants or others may have also risen.
Why do you claim gays are more likely than others to experience crime on the streets?
(And, that said, group identity politics has many downsides. Crimes against all persons are wrong, not because they’re members of any identity group, but because they’re human persons with dignity and incomparable worth. That’s why we need to fund law enforcement to protect all persons; regardless of group, race or class.)
I, along with the majority of the people in California voted against same sex marriage…TWICE! They still shoved it down our throats! I moved to Kansas where we know the correct bathroom to urinate in. California can go to…..
Ron, did you subject your marriage to a vote of the people? How did that vote come out?
Baja Californios !!!!
more brains than
Alta Californios
Viva Cristo Rey !!!
Well, we Alta Californios voted down such “marriages” twice, but still they try to force us to consent to it. We are not so dumb after all. Politicians also want people here illegally, so they can convince them to vote for it, and if they do not, they get sent back across the border. I know because I knew a guy who was into the homosexual lifestyle who got into an argument and called immigration on the guys with whom he was arguing, and they got sent back across the border. Oh, the games people play. They are for you until they are against you. (Laugher.)
“YFC” does not have me fooled at all.
Anne TE:
you make an excellent and correct point
I am well rebuked
i should have said this before
but i’ll say it now:
“Viva Anne TE”
Thank you for your comment. As I have said here many times before, I have never taken anyone or anything illegally into another country, nor have I brought back anyone or anything illegally. On the other hand, neither have I called Immigration on anyone. If I believe someone is committing a crime, stealing a car, endangering someone’s life and so forth, I would call the police and let them handle it, and I try only to do that for serious things.