Clergy: Learn How to Celebrate the Latin Mass! (At no cost)
Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:30 PM PDT
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(From The Bridge, the weekly chancery bulletin of the San Francisco archdiocese.)
Thanks be to God for Archbishop Cordileone, who understands how to be a pastor, a shepherd. And, thanks to Maggie Gallagher and others for helping provide this. There is no need, in fact, it is harmful to the Body of Christ, to pit one form of the Mass against another. We have beautiful, reverent Eastern Catholic Liturgies as well. We should all rejoice when people, young and old and in-between, attend Mass, of whatever Form or Rite, and (worthily) receive our Lord in Sacrament and Word.
Father Illo (pictured) is a living saint. I will send contribution to Star of the Sea parish, cannot accept the abolition of the Latin Mass lying down.
++Cordileone for Pope!
I hope this means learning to celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. The term “the Latin Mass” is ambiguous.
If it’s a class about how to celebrate Mass using the 1962 Missal, then don’t understand why it’s being offered. Traditionis Custodes legislates that the use of the 1962 Missal is to be curtailed and eventually discontinued. Priests who have not already learned how to celebrate that Mass have no need to learn it now. None.
It should not be offered in ordinary parishes; TC excludes them as locations for celebrating Mass using the 1962 Missal.
But any parish can and should at least sometimes celebrate the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin.
Some Trads are still in denial about what TC entails.
No More, Do you think the Archbishop and Bishop Paprocki, a canonist, are “Trads” “in denial?”
They aren’t.
Would you agree that a papal encyclical, the Catechism and 2,000 years of Christian tradition outweigh a motu proprio letter?
If so, then, do you accept and abide by Humanae Vitae in its entirety?
Then, does opposing “birth control” make you a “Trad” too?
Can you make a point without name calling?
I’m going to crush your hopes: it’s 1962 and ++Cordileone has full authority to allow it in his diocese.
Any priest with a few years of high school Latin can easily say the Novus Ordo Missae in Latin— or English, or any vernacular language which a priest may know. It takes no special training, it’s all the same, in Latin, or in any vernacular language. A very simple Mass.
Wonderful news of course I just love the Archbishop of San Francisco, however on a sad note the archdiocese of Washington D.C. just canceled the traditional Latin mass scheduled for August 14th at the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception to be offered by Archbishop Thomas Gullickson, The Archbishop was asked to submit a request to offer the TLM which the Paulus Institute had done over a year ago which was cancelled due to Covid but everything was scheduled and in place for the Mass clergyman, music and was going perfectly until Archbishop Wilton Gregory responded to Gullickson with a loud no you cannot. So this is how it’s going to be from now on.
What you seem not to understand is that in the intervening time between when permissions were first granted and the date of the Mass, Traditionis Custodes was promulgated and took immediate effect. Yes, that is how it is going to be because there are new liturgical laws to observe. Cardinal Gregory did the right thing, given the new laws that are in effect. It’s not his fault; just inconvenient timing for the Mass organizers.
Nothing is stopping the scheduled Mass from being celebrated as a Novus Ordo Mass, even in Latin with Gregorian chants. If the Mass organizers and celebrant refuse to do that, well then we have a clear example of what the pope was referring to when he said that TLM communities are sowing seeds of division within the church and seeds of opposition to the reformed liturgy.
The TLM is being legislated out of use. That’s just the way it is.
No More– No, the Tridentine Mass of 1570 can never be abrogated, nor “legislated out of use,” as you erroneously say. Such tremendous “goofs” as “Amoris Laetitia” and “Traditionis Custodes” will have to be corrected at some point, by a successor. You ought to read Pope St. Pius V’s encyclical, “Quo Primum” (14 July, 1560) for starters.
I’ve read it, it doesn’t mean what you and desperate trads think it does. The pope and church councils have the authority to revise the liturgy. Vatican II started that, and Pope Paul VI promulgated it. Done deal. The new replaces the old. Over.
The New Mass of 1969 certainly does not replace 2000 years of Roman Catholic Church history.
No More, Do you think Archbishop Cordileone, Bishop Paprocki, a canonist, and now Bishop Rojas and others are “Trads” “in denial?”
Would you agree that a papal encyclical, the Catechism and 2,000 years of Christian tradition outweigh a motu proprio letter?
If so, then, do you accept and abide by Humanae Vitae in its entirety?
Then, does opposing “birth control” make you a “Trad” too?
Christifidelis is wrong in that Pius V’s “Quo Primum” never bound future popes from lawfully revising the liturgy. The strong wording in “Quo primum” was meant for the bishops who might prohibit their priests from celebrating the new Mass, the Mass of Pius V. The only person who can legitimately revise the liturgy is another pope, and if need be an ecumenical council in union with the supreme pontiff. But Pius V never intended to bind future popes to his “Quo primum.”
No More & jon– the only thing I said is simply that the old Latin Mass is certainly not “banned.” That is ridiculous.
jon, you are totally ridiculous in thinking that I interpreted “Quo Primum” in the way you insisted. I never interpreted it at all. You need tremendous respect for the 2000 years of our Church’s history. You and other young people also need to stop all this ridiculous “teen slang,” calling people ridiculous names like “trad” I and Abp. Cordileone and millions of other fine Catholic clerics and laymen– are not to be called disrespectful names. You must stop making up a bunch of untrue garbage about people whom you do not know, nor ever will meet.
Christefidelis, scholars like Likoudis and Whitehead have asserted that Pius V never intended to bind future popes to his Quo primum. You have to get the historical context behind the Pope’s strong language in the document, a context which I had supplied in my previous comment. Also, the only one who can reverse any papal ruling is another pope. Plus, the liturgy is not immutable, Christefidelis; only God is immutable. So, before you call anyone “ridiculous” it’s best that you do your homework first lest you be the one who’d end up looking ridiculous.
jon, I couldn’t care less about scholars nor about interpreting papal documents like “Quo Primum.”
Christifideis, if you “couldn’t care less” about the proper interpretation of “Quo primum” then why did you say “You ought to read Pope St. Pius V’s encyclical, ‘Quo Primum’ (14 July, 1560) for starters”? Your words otherwise are self-contradictory.
jon, others do not think as you do. “Quo Primum” is the papal encyclical that goes with the Mass of Pope St. Pius V of 1570. That’s all. To me, it is a historical document. To read it is a matter of historical understanding, that this is a great Mass of historical significance. I am particularly interested in the scholarly liturgical and sacred musical developments of this period, of great Renaissance sacred choral music composers– such as Palestrina, who helped the Pope with purification of sacred music. That is my area of training and interest. I dislike the neurotic, overly-analytic, biased pettiness of amateur “armchair theologians.” A true theologian is very objective, never emotionally biased, in his work, and always behaves very professionally. He does not attack and criticize others from a heavily biased, pompous, egotistical, neurotic, emotional viewpoint– that is not “scholarly.”
Christifidelis continues to contradict himself. If, as he says, he does not “attack and criticize others from a heavily biased, pompous egotistical, neurotic viewpoint” (which would not be scholarly), then how does he explain his behavior of brazenly and openly criticizing the Supreme Pontiff, the Pope? It is never the traditional and appropriate behavior of a Catholic to unjustly castigate and deride the man chosen by the Holy Spirit to lead His Church. Reverence is the proper demeanor of any Catholic, especially a Catholic theologian towards his/her spiritual father, even if he disagrees with him. But calling the documents of the Pope, any pope, “goofs”? Sounds rather egotistical and neurotic to me, not to mention irreverent.
I say, this is one of the rare moments when I actually praise a comment in this here blog. Good comment, Anonymous.
Read Canon 87: Can. 87 §1. A diocesan bishop, whenever he judges that it contributes to their spiritual good, is able to dispense the faithful from universal and particular disciplinary laws issued for his territory or his subjects by the supreme authority of the Church. He is not able to dispense, however, from procedural or penal laws nor from those whose dispensation is specially reserved to the Apostolic See or some other authority.
TC put the 1962 Mass in the hands of the bishops instead of SP which gave more freedom. It’s regulation, not a ban.
TC says no new groups celebrating the TLM are to be established. No new personal parishes for celebrating the TLM. No TLMs at territorial parishes. The accompanying letter explains the aim is to eliminate use of the 1962 Missal. The bishop may, for a time, so as not to shock those who have been celebrating the TLM, permit the TLM to be celebrated, but he is obliged to direct those people to the Novus Ordo in due time.
It’s not a ban, but it’s clearly a death sentence.
No, it is not a “death sentence.” The ancient Tridentine Mass is 100% theologically correct, and its structure dates way back in time to the true original form of the Mass of the early Christians. Our wonderful Archbishop is giving a training for priests interested to learn the beautiful, holy Latin Tridentine Mass. Two things are soon going to be gone at the end of the current pontificate– “Amoris Laetitia” and “Traditionis Custodes.”
The NO church run by menopausal women and gay men is about to die off. It has no future. We will outlast you.
Millions and millions of NO Catholics in the United States versus at most about 100,000 pre-conciliar liturgical throwbacks. Yeah, sure. Your false bravado belies your worry.
Those who want to get rid of the TLM are on a power trip. They realize the TLM is superior to the NO, and hate this fact, so they try to deprive others of the TLM. That sounds like jealousy to me.
There is no such thing as an NO church.
Catholics go to whatever Mass they are told to attend. No choice. They believe as they are told. Including jon and No More TLM.
As long as there are the SSPX fathers it will never go out of use AND I read a study that said by 2030 there will be more SSPX priests than Jesuits. Who is going extinct now? The empty Novus Ordo church, seminaries and other foundations and the young people of the Roman Church want it and Francis will not be Pope for ever. That’s just the way it is.
I called them and expressed my disappointment. EWTN was all set to broadcast this beautiful Mass, for the Vigil of the Feast of the Assumption. I said that I hoped Cdl. Gregory would have a change of heart– and the pope, too– on the holy Tridentine Latin Mass. They agreed with me. Then I proudly told them of how our Abp. Cordileone is a wonderful supporter for the old Latin Mass, and he will soon have a special class, to teach interested priests of our Archdiocese how to say the beautiful Tridentine Latin Mass. It was such a terrible thing, that Cdl. Gregory stated, when Biden got elected, that he would not be denied Holy Communion in Gregory’s Archdiocese of Washington.
A sad day! Abp. Cordileone went on Fox News (you can find the Fox News video online, on YouTube) after the House of Representatives passed the Federal budget– without the Hyde Amendment— for the very first time, since the Reagan presidency. He explained, once again, that Rep. Nancy Pelosi is so wrong about rejecting the Hyde Amendment, and promoting Abortion– and that a promoter of Abortion is certainly not a “devout Catholic.” It is estimated that about 2.5 million children’s lives have been saved, so far, due to the Hyde Amendment. I believe in good Church discipline, in these cases, and Canon 915 should have been correctly applied many years ago, for “bad Catholic” politicians like Pelosi. You can join Abp. Cordileone for the Litany of Reparations to the Most Blessed Sacrament tomorrow, Fri. July 30th, at 3pm, through the Benedict XVI Institute, online.
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We need to pray for Nancy Pelosi’s conversion also. She is in serious spiritual danger. Your link to Viglone’s letter is a real eye opener too. I read it before, but it just did not click. Perhaps I was tired. Now it makes perfect sense.
Italian Professor Massimo Viglione, a friend of Cdl. Vigano, recently published a “Reflection” on “Traditiones Custodes.” Here is the link:
https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-62-2021-thursday-july-22-viglione/
Oh– in my post of July 29 at 8:22pm, I meant to say, “Archbishop Vigano!” (Not “Cdl. Vigano)
Conservative Catholics and Liberal Catholics are really the same. Both groups defy papal teachings: the liberals defy the papal teaching regarding birth control and the conservatives defy the papal teaching on the Holy Mass. Cafeteria Catholicism is alive and well. Interesting that Archbishop Cordileone is so blatant in promoting the TLM in spite of Pope Francis’s motu proprio addressing the use of the TLM.
Barney, the difference is that using birth control is an evil and Holy Mass is a good. But you are correct that the underlying issue of “nobody can tell me I can’t do what I want” is the same.
The root of all heresies is the belief “I know better than the Church.”
Christifidelis: it is a sin to lie. Cardinal Gregory never said President Biden would be denied Holy Communion in the Archdiocese of Washington D.C. Instead, Cardinal Gregory said the matter would be addressed pastorally. See articles in the America magazine published by the Jesuits and the Washington Post for more details.
Fred– It is a sin to to accuse good people whom you do not know and will never meet– of “lying.” Don’t be childish. It was reported in several different Catholuc publications that Cdl. Gregory said then-Pres.-Elect Biden would not be denied Commumion. I do not read “America” magazine– the Jesuits are very bad! Waste of time!
As Catholics, we should not have these tragic clashes, regarding either form of the Mass. Nor clashes over “loyalty” to the current Pope. I strongly believe in a lifelong, faithful loyalty to the Biblical teachings of Jesus Christ, and to the ancient Catholic Magisterium, and Deposit of Faith. It is best for everyone to express their views, to be kind and cordial to others, and for each to worship God at the Mass they prefer, for their own reasons– Christ is there, at both Masses. And I go to both.
Christifidelis writes that it’s best for all “to be kind and cordial to others.” Therefore, I expect him to be kind in his future comments to Pope Francis, for he has not been reverent nor respectful to the Holy Father.
And jon, you must learn Christian charity to all! Otherwise, it’s hopeless.
Christian charity is exhibited in my admonishing the ignorant which is one of the corporal acts of mercy. Unjustly criticizing the Pope however, in a brazen and public way, is not.
jon, try reading St. Matthew 22:35-40.
Above all else, I believe in loyalty to Jesus Christ and to Catholic teaching, above whatever a cleric (or pope) might say. For example, if a pope or cleric says that Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Pres. Joe Biden, and other “bad Catholics” can receive Communion (without repentance) — I say, “No.” And if they say that “gay civil unions” are “acceptable,” I say, “No.” If I were a relative of the President of Argentina (Alberto Fernandez) and if he surprised me, and suddenly showed up at my door, separated from his wife, with his Mistress, for Christmas Dinner, and hoped to stay over for Christmas– here is what I would do. I would have a little talk with Alberto and his Mistress, make it clear, they are welcome at our home for Christmas dinner (no, I would not turn away the “naughty” lady into the cold night, on Christmas) But in our house, no “shacking up”– and they must honor me, and observe Chastity. They have to sleep in separate bedrooms. And promise me they will honor the Lord and His Blessed Mother, in my house– and behave. And I would encourage Alberto and the lady to go to Confession, as soon as they could, and get their lives right with God— I would do that in a loving way. Then, we all would sit down to a “Merry Christmas” (or “Feliz Navidad”) dinner. So, why can’t the Pope do that, at the Vatican, when the President of Argentina comes to visit, with his Mistress? The Pope can greet him warmly, but tell him, “Alberto, no Communion for you and your Mistress. You and your Mistress need to go to Confession. And get your lives right with the Lord.”
I am “the lady of the house,” and elderly, too– and in my home, we serve the Lord. We do not care what the rest of the “fallen world” does. One must respect Christ and Our Blessed Mother, in my home. This I learned, from my mother and my grandmother, before her. Now– how about the nearly-85-year-old Pope, in his Vatican home?
Pres. Alberto Fernandez is a big supporter of Abortion, and recently expressed his pride in helping to legalize it in Argentina! Shame on him!
The Catholic Church has been rent asunder from within. We laity can no longer count on one theologically correct message from a majority of the clergy. The hierarchy are bickering with each other like angry parents who are about to get a divorce. Sadly, we Catholics are being destabilized — right along with the crises that are threatening our beloved country.