The following comes from a July 7 story posted on the National Catholic Reporter website.
“I’ve read your book and am hoping it will be implemented,” Emeritus Archbishop John Quinn of San Francisco said Pope Francis told him just days before his election as pope after the two men ran into each other outside a coffee shop in Rome.
Quinn related the story June 25 to some 225 priests at a gathering of the Association of U.S. Catholic Priests in St. Louis, where the prelate was honored with the group’s Pope John XXIII Award.
Then-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio was referring to a 1999 Quinn treatise, The Reform of the Papacy: The Costly Call to Christian Unity. That book was Quinn’s response to Pope John Paul II’s 1995 encyclical Ut Unum Sint, a meditation on ecumenism and the role of the office of the pope as sign of church unity.
Quinn said he took up John Paul’s offer, contained in the encyclical, to further discussion. Quinn examined papal structural history and the centralization of the office that has occurred over the centuries. He makes the point in his book that decentralization of Vatican authority is a prerequisite for any serious consideration of union between the Roman Catholic church and other Christian church bodies. The book called for a review of monarchal governing structures and a return to serious collegiality among bishops and local churches, including allowing them to select or elect their own bishops….
The germ of Quinn’s 1999 book was contained in a well-publicized address he gave at Campion Hall at the University of Oxford on June 29, 1996, the Feast of St. Peter. In that address, the soft-spoken Quinn made headlines calling for implementation of long-delayed Vatican II reforms. In an address titled “The Claims of the Primacy and the Costly Call to Unity,” he called for an ecumenical council of bishops to discuss questions left unresolved by the Vatican II.
Speaking again last year on church reform, Quinn told a packed audience at Stanford University in California — just hours before the College of Cardinals locked itself inside the Vatican to choose a new pope — that the church was passing through a historic moment unequaled since the Reformation….
Quinn retired in 1995 as archbishop of San Francisco after 18 years. Ordained a bishop at age 38, he was archbishop of Oklahoma City before moving to San Francisco. He is a former president of the U.S. bishops’ conference, serving from 1977 to 1980.
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For those who many not know, the “National Catholic REPORTER” was condemned in 1968, and this was reaffirmed in 2013. They are fraudulent by using the name “Catholic” in their title. They promote anything or any person who tries to tear down the Catholic Church.
(Quinn) ” He makes the point in his book that decentralization of Vatican authority is a prerequisite for any serious consideration of union between the Roman Catholic church and other Christian church bodies.” – this is NOT what JESUS taught when He made Peter the head.
Decentralization merely allows BAD BISHOPS to have more power.
As it is many are not doing their teaching jobs, which also includes correcting and disciplining when required.
Amen! and the Holy Father once again came out against so-called same-sex marriage.
Pope Francis that is.
We will see after October whether or not Pope Francis approved of that strong statement!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
” The book called for a review of monarchal governing structures and a return to serious collegiality among bishops and local churches, including allowing them to select or elect their own bishops….” – this is pure Protestantism to destroy the Faith set up by Jesus.
Ummm…. when did Jesus not set up a monarchal governing structure.
“I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it” makes no mention of governing structure.
Jesus made Peter the head or leader of His Church which included binding and loosing. (Mt 16:16-19)
He also appointed 11 other Apostles (bishops).
Peter started the succession process in Acts 1:12-26.
Please read your Bible.
I have. They cast lots to choose the next apostle. Is that how we choose the new pope?
How can Catholics elect their own Bishops, when the Bishops have refused to teach the Faith?
Most Catholics do not know their Faith, so how could they elect a good Bishop?
Does your Bishop actively and prominently promote reading the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition”?
Of course not, so they can do whatever they want with their own politics, and our money.
If the Catholic Church starts fully teaching the Faith according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, for the most part “ecumenism” will go right down the toilet – as more and more Protestant Faiths move away from the Bible, and support intrinsic evils such as Abortion, Euthanasia, Sodomy Marriage, and Homosexual Acts.
JP2’s encyclical Ut Unum Sint spoke of ” thinking about a new way of exercising papal authority in a manner agreeable to schismatics and Protestants;” so immediately Quinn, beneath his benign demeanor being a radical progressive, saw an opportunity, along with Bernardin, of achieving their goal of reducing papal primacy, authority, and power. Shortly after Quinn’s 1996 Oxford lecture, “coincidentally,” Bernardin announced his “Common Ground” project, which would have basically eliminated any Catholic Faith tenets at all, in the interest of a supposed ecumenism.
It was in the end Cardinal O’Connor who stopped this nonsense at one of the USCCB meetings, stating “…Unity itself can be achieved only in truth, which can never be sacrificed.” That principle was of course foreign to Quinn and Bernardin.
Quinn must be feeling overlooked and lonely in his retirement. People forget what a dismal state of the priesthood he left the archdiocese in, as well as his responsibility for significant financial abuses of archdio. funds, So that he was forced into his resignation—with good cause.
Glad you linked John Quinn to Joseph Bernardin – two peas in the same pod, and appear to be bent on the destruction of the Church.
Both were involved in aiding and abetting sexual child abuse.
God bless, John Cardinal O’Connor. and may he, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. He is a saint as far as I am concerned for all his had to go through in New York..
John Cardinal O’Connor was the only bishop to actually request my “Proper Dress in Church” posters!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
Vatican website -> English
Supreme Pontiffs -> Pope Paul VI -> Encyclical
Ecclesiam Suam (August 6, 1964)
Papacy an Apparent Obstacle
110. That We, who promote this reconciliation, should be regarded by many of Our separated brothers as an obstacle to it, is a matter of deep distress to Us. The obstacle would seem to be the primacy of honor and jurisdiction which Christ bestowed on the Apostle Peter, and which We have inherited as his Successor.
But Principle of Unity
Are there not those who say that unity between the separated Churches and the Catholic Church would be more easily achieved if the primacy of the Roman pontiff were done away with? We beg our separated brothers to consider the groundlessness of this opinion. Take away the sovereign Pontiff and the Catholic Church would no longer be catholic. Moreover, without the supreme, effective, and authoritative pastoral office of Peter the unity of Christ’s Church would collapse. It would be vain to look for other principles of unity in place of the true one established by Christ Himself. As St. Jerome rightly observed: “There would be as many schisms in the Church as there are priests.” (65)
And Primacy of Service and Love
We would add that this cardinal principle of holy Church is not a supremacy of spiritual pride and a desire to dominate mankind, but a primacy of service, ministration, and love. It is no vapid rhetoric which confers on Christ’s vicar the title: “Servant of the servants of God.”
Unfortunately, I’m sure that this article will result in the Emeritus Archbishop being trash talked on CCD. To preempt some of that, let’s not forget that before the emergence of electronic communications during the 19th century, communication with Rome was rare and long-delayed, and local Churches/patriarchates had much more independence in matters related to Church governance, doctrinal compliance, liturgical evolution, etc. Once we could communicate instantaneously, and get to Rome in less than a day from anywhere on earth, literally, it was a natural development for power to be centralized in one location, naturally, in the see of Peter. But in so consolidating, we lost a certain power and beauty in having many sees, each directly descendant from the Apostles, but with Peter as the symbol of unity, meanwhile suffering a concomitant loss of any notion that Peter was the first among equals in anything other than in title. Are we better as a result? The way the Church dealt with the lack of instantaneous communication in the burgeoning days after the Dark Ages, was to insist upon a uniformity of liturgy and law that heretofor was unknown in Christianity. And it helped reconsolidate the faith in a way that probably would have lost to dispersion what the monks had preserved.
“Dark Ages.” YFC, you show your ignorant bias.
Larry, are you so a-historical that you think that referring to the Dark Ages show some bias???? Please refrain from calling me ignorant unless you can prove your own superior intelligence.
It was the Middle Ages not the Dark Ages.
YFC, I do not think you are ignorant. Based upon your writings you are married to your Mortal Sin of Sodomy, and therefore attack Church teachings on a regular basis.
It is idolatry to love your sin more than God.
YFC, ignorance begets brashness and your reply is brash. I suspect you are a plant for the Arcus or Gill foundations. Or one of the other similar mission-stated organizations. Wouldn’t you like to admit that affiliation, here and now?
Larry, you still haven’t explained why using the term “Dark Ages” shows bias.
@YFC, this article has nothing to do with communication and the smoke screen you are trying to throw out for Quinn.
It has everything to do with a power grab by an Archbishop who was forced to retire early due to aiding and abetting child abuse, and several heretical positions he publically took. You can still find them on the internet, if you care to look.
(Same as Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, and Cardinal Roger Mahoney.)
A retired Archbishop has no power to grab. Trust me, I saw him a few months ago at a restaurant in SF. He is quite frail. He couldn’t grab power if it fell out of his napkin.
Pray for him.
To all those commenting and reading at CCD (as well as the moderators): I’m pretty sure that YFC is a Gill or Arcus Foundation or similarly placed “plant” and I will continue this alert going forward when I see one of his messages. For information about these infiltrators who would drive wedges between the faithful and our bishops, see Anne Herdershott’s recent article at Crisis Magazine, entitled “What’s Behind Pelosi’s Attack on Archbishop Cordileone?” You’ll see where this guy/gal is coming from. What for similar plants in other Catholic organizations and fora.
To make it easy for you: https://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/whats-behind-pelosis-attack-archbishop-cordileone
Thank you, Larry. I’d venture to add that the purpose of these “plants” is also to separate the Faithful (to include Bishops) from the actual Faith taught by Holy Mother Church.
I find it interesting, Larry, that the ARCUS foundation notes that their mission is to:
“…Specifically, Arcus works to advance LGBT equality, as well as to conserve and protect the great apes.”
Indeed they seem to promote the greatest of apes, that is Satan who apes God at each and every opportunity. Thanks for the link!
YFC haha you are again showing your “ignorant bias lead by your homosexuality”
WHO DO YOU THINK WE OW OUR LOYALTY TO? bet you don’t’ really care to know but its to Christ, not to any heretic! Get that straight!
Dear Abeca, thanks for once again raising the issue of homosexuality, so far as I can tell for the fist time in this thread. However, I am unclear about how homosexuality, yours mine or ours, impinges upon Emeritus Archbishop Quinn’s opinions about ecclesiology. How is homosexuality even remotely relevant to any opinion about EAQ’s opinions about ecclesiology? So what is it in my post that you are responding to about homosexuality, or are you just responding to me as a person because you are unable to see me a a whole person in Christ? Make peace before you bring your gifts to the altar.
I have to say you make it difficult not to view you that way, YFC, since you seem to put the gay before anything and everything. Constantly. So if you don’t want folks to respond to your ‘gayness’ stop brandishing it like a glaring red dipped feather and sprinkling the blog with it like some sort of ongoing ceremony.
If you want others to truly ‘make peace’, be part of that peace by not blaspheming the Holy Family, not promoting homosexual sex and marriage on a Catholic blog, and rushing to the defense of those who promote and or have looked the other way while the abuse of children was going on under their watch. IOW: Demonstrate your Catholic Faith in words and perhaps folks would start taking you seriously as a Catholic and not troll.
I don’t care what this heretical Archbishop Quinn who was removed from office at an early age thinks.
He was not even allowed to finish out his position until retirement age.
(Don’t ever trust the condemned “National Catholic REPORTER”. Their agenda is not the best interest of Christ’s Church.)
Jesus chose one head for His Church, not many heads.
No need for trash talk, YFC, when trash memories of growing up under the watchful eye – wink, wink – of the dear Archbishop Emeritus are still vivid and alive. My childhood pals could reminisce is spades about the “…power and (cough, cough) beauty in having many sees, each directly descendant from the Apostles, but with Peter as the symbol of unity, meanwhile suffering a concomitant loss of any notion that Peter was the first among equals in anything other than in title.” But for all of the lightening fast communications, nothing was communicated as those in power didn’t want it to be.
And your, “…Peter as the symbol of unity” is much the same as the push to make the Blessed Sacrament into “just a symbol.” And what is a title if it means nothing, YFC? Kind of like calling oneself Catholic as if it is a title with NO MEANING?
Ann Malley – please for pete’s sake…you were not present during the centuries I described. If you have to make up stuff, or in this case coyly and deceptively editing out stuff, in order to respond to every post I make, perhaps you should find your soul elsewhere. Deceivers have no place in the Kingdom. Or did you forget?
You were not present in the centuries you describe either, YFC, unless you are somehow identifying with an eternal spirit of some sort. And you were not present – at least not to my knowledge – while certain life/spirit altering issues effected my entire class at a premier Catholic grammar school under the watchful eye of the one whose ideals you seem to espouse.
There is nothing coy about not wanting to see power bled off the See of Peter, especially by those wolves who have already shown themselves to have no eye to protect those of the Kingdom. But rather, by all appearance, have a taste for the kill. A kill made all the easier by effecting multiple ‘sees’ where unity of any kind will all but disappear. That is the real agenda here despite the syrupy excuse of attempting to capture what things ‘should’ be.
That said, tere is a deceptive and unmanly coyness when one who should be acting as a Soldier of Christ – that is YOU – conducts himself with such affected condescension that one feels as if they could be living through the vile injustices and slinking shadows of abuses gone past. Disgusting.
As for editing, you are the master, YFC, for you would edit the Papacy into nothing more than a title. Or would one call that castration?
Self called “YFC”,
And neither do fornicators and homosexuals, why didn’t you quote the whole passage of St. Paul?
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church and your poor soul!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
Excellent, Kenneth, excellent. You just showed how this despicable man twists Holy Scripture and the catechism into pretzels.
That’s all we need, follow the reforms of VII and the archbishop’s book.
The Church in the early 1400s went through “power grabs” by the cardinals of the time. Sharing power and even supplanting the pope in many areas was the intention of these cardinals. At the Council of Florence, this statement was issued however: “We likewise define that the holy Apostolic See, and the Roman Pontiff, hold the primacy throughout the entire world; and that the Roman Pontiff himself is the successor of blessed Peter, the chief of the Apostles, and the true vicar of Christ, and that he is the head of the entire Church, and the father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter by our Lord Jesus Christ, to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church.”
Today, we have the wonderful USCCB (which Archbishop Quinn once headed it predecessor organization) and the various civil legislatures that could care less what the people think or how they vote. The USCCB ignores Canon Law (just look at all the CINO politicians) and sodomy, which the Congress and the California legislature openly embrace.
Can you imagine if they actually controlled things?
Let us force the Bishops to adhere to the CCC, rather than go after a power grab.
Heretical Clergy abound.
Couldn’t you just see, Dolan, Mahony, Gomez, Barnes, and Blaire running the place?
Lord Have Mercy !
It would be nice to see Bishops who do not do their jobs, get fired.
CCC: “882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.”
“For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
YES JORDAN COUNT ME IN! What can we do to start this process? I ‘ll continue to use my greatest weapon, which is prayer! May God’s holy will be done always not mine!
In addition to Prayer,
1) we must educate ourselves regarding the requests of our recent Popes to study the CCC – by EVERYONE not just those involved in official Diocese catechesis.
“….the CATECHISM has raised throughout the world, even among non-Christians, and confirms its purpose of being presented as a full, complete exposition of Catholic doctrine,
enabling EVERYONE to know what the Church professes, celebrates, lives, and prays in her daily life.” – Pope John Paul II (CCC pg xiv)
Go to “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE” for more info”
https://whatcatholicsreallybelieve.com/
2) Ask our own Diocese Bishop, and Parish Pastor to encourage all Literate Laity over age 15 to read the Bible and CCC at home – on a constant, conspicuous, and regular basis – prominently on their Diocese and Parish web sites; through Church bulletins, and even from the pulpit.
3) Ask all Catholics (and interested non-Catholics) that you personally know to read the Bible and CCC at home – for the truth of what the Church teaches.
The more who know and love the truth, the more pressure on the Bishops to do their teaching jobs.
Let’s all be proactive to Save Souls.
“calling for implementation of long-delayed Vatican II reforms”
Name one, citing Vatican II documents.
Thank you Juerensen. You help dissolve the gossip that many want to start. You are awesome! God bless you bud!
Read Archbishop Quinn’s book. For one.
Name one, citing Vatican II documents.
Why should we buy a book from a deposed heretic, and put money in his pocket?
Quinn even violates Vatican II documents.
CCC: ” 882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.”
“For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
* * * * * Vatican II – Lumen Gentium #23, Lumen Gentium #22 and Christus Dominus 2,9.
https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19651028_christus-dominus_en.html (2 & 9)
and
https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html (23 & 22)
I have always wondered if Archbishop Quinn is a true, honest, and faithful Roman Catholic. His proposals, I think, will not unify the Church, nor bring about ecumenical progress. Instead, his proposals, I think, will further erode, disintegrate, and eventually totally destroy the Roman Catholic Church!! The one and only path to true “unity,” is the honest, sincere daily practice of the Catholic Faith, under the Holy Father of Rome, with all bishops faithful and true! Kindly leave non-Catholics alone! With a truly holy, “practicing Catholic” Church, millions of non-believers worldwide, may be deeply impressed, and come begging to join!! This is the key to all of the Church’s problems!! The first thing that could happen, in following retired Archbishop Quinn’s ideas– is the total collapse of the Archdiocese of San Francisco, (and many other dioceses!)– with such evils as the implementation, locally, of “gay marriage,” (under a weak new Archbishop who might believe in it!), ordination of “practicing gay” priests and nuns, women’s ordination, the disbelief in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, disorganized, irreverent local liturgical practices much worse than we now have, seminaries locally that are disorganized, and morally and theologically corrupt.
Because you hate every bishop you encounter.
Archbishop Quinn was also the archbishop of Oklahoma City. He basically destroyed, or mutated the Catholic Church in these two archdioceses. For his bizarre and anti traditional ideas, if they influence Pope Francis, then this will be the end of the Catholic Church as we have known her.
spoken like a true sea snail.
Ah, the patriarch of the Lavender Mafia speaks! Hasn’t he learned from the damage he did in his active ministry?
Father Michael, are you saying the Emeritus Archbishop is gay?
YFC, I will not speculate publicly about his orientation because I have no first-hand knowledge and anything I would write would be hearsay and rash judgment. In fact, I do not know. However by taking an accommodating approach to Most Holy Redeemer Parish as it transitioned from working-class Irish parish to Sodom’s Chapel, playing “hear no evil, see no evil” as his seminary became the Pink Palace, and refusing to exercise any oversight over USF as perversion became promoted there, the Lavender Mafia became well-established under his time as Archbishop of SF. Given his books (I’ve read both) promoting continental patriarchs, I thought “Patriarch” would be a good title for him.
FR. Michael-1 .. YFC -0
OK so you don’t want to “speculate publicly” that Emeritus Archbishop Quinn is gay, but it’s OK for you to go out of your way to imply it. Is that what you are saying?
You are the one who preaches to the masses that there is nothing inherently disordered or wrong about being ‘gay,’ YFC. So what is your issue here? Fr. Michael is making an astute observation based on logic, published books, and the visible fruits of this cleric’s ministry.
You cannot have it both ways – pretend shock and horrified slander while pushing for normalization and gay pride. Perhaps there still is something inside you that does not rest easy with the ‘It’s-just-an-eye-color’ mentality you attempt to instill in others.
No YFC, I am not implying anything about his sexual orientation. It is irrelevant to me whether he has a SSA or not and I have no personal knowledge. His indifference or tacit approval (I know not which) to the Lavender Mafia openly moving into the archdiocese under his reign properly earns him the title of Patriarch which he so ardently supports in the book which is the subject of this post.
I would venture that he has learned, Fr.Michael, but is banking on the fact that others, who haven’t personally been burned, haven’t learned and will not listen Even to those still bearing the scars of his ‘active’ ministry.
Yes, “Fr. Karl” and thank you for this. Archbishop Quinn really did a swell job in San Francisco, didn’t he? He helped to lay the groundwork for the awfulness of MHR and the tolerances for homosexual sexualism and pro-abortion advocates. Of course he wants “collegiality” because the vast majority of the world’s bishops were selected from weak men, with weak faiths. They are not really Catholic but are largely men of the world, Protestant-Bishops, if you will. The laugh-line, unfortunately, is that Pope Francis is no lover of orthodoxy. The Pope seems to see relying on estabilshed and immutable principles and dogmas as unhealthy, and wrong, binding the spirit. Of course, the Pope comes from Latin America, and his passion for “free thought” and randomness is more understandable in that light. So, with Pope Francis, out come the Liberal Bishop-Zombies, like Quinn, with their tired, and rejected, demands. At some point, they will destroy what little is left of the institutional Catholic Church; still all Catholics must stand up and fight this craziness, as long as possible. The Holy Ghost will be ignored, as suggested by Mary at Fatima — and, where is the precise and complete language of the Third Secret, Most Holy Father?
I am in line with what Fr. Michael says in notes above that, re. Abp. Quinn’s personal life or inclinations, we have no opinion and it really doesnt matter: However, more than one priest of the SF archdiocese from during Quinn’s time noted how Quinn took an eyebrow-raising “accomodating” attitude toward diocesan priests having an active SSA sexual life. These individuals are pretty reliable witnesses to me.
For another thing, it was during Quinn’s leadership that the late Fr. Richard Purcell, OFM (period in particular, 1989-1995)—who was a flagrant proponent of the open SS lifestyle, and who once invited parishioners here in SF to “come join the Gay Pride Parade after Mass” as a proper Catholic mandate, among many and other sundry things—it was during this time that Purcell found a welcome reception in the diocese.
Now, remember, if Fr. Nicolas Gruner of Fatima Center, or Fr. Arnaud Rostand of the SSPX, or even the FSSP or Institute of Christ the King (they were still noticeably absent from SF archdiocese until recently, and still dont have a permanent assignment) were to request incardination in the SF arch, can you imagine how the fur would fly at the chancery? So, it is pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.
Abp John Quinn was forced into early retirement.
He must be ignored, not promoted as by the heretical and schismatic “National Catholic REPORTER”.
Thank you Dave, I agree with you.
Father Karl lets not give to much power to the evil of some men here,. There are many excellent devout holy people in our church, our Lord shows His mercy because of His holy people not because of these heretics like this Abp Quinn. So lets not despair nor give that indication. Its obvious that Abp John Quinn is bitter and angry and he is not being faithful to Christ’s church and no matter what, we need to trust that God will always win! Jesus promised us that no one not even the devil will win over His church. Lets keep our eye’s fixed on His word and trust in Him, even if wicked men walk this earth!
Lets be doers of His word. Walk the walk, talk the talk. Even if we have to stand up to some in charge, because the proud need to be humbled.
Quinn and others like him want more power, to promote their heresies, schisms, and personal politics.
We have to do something to counter the REPORTER and other heretical groups from promoting their own kind.
Let them start their own Church. – Goodbye and Good Riddance to any Catholic who does not adhere to the Bible and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” in total.
Remember Jesus’s warning in Lk 13:23-28.
I fear many Bishops will be on the outside looking in, due to their lack of teaching the Faith accurately and totally.
If anything the Pope needs more power, not less.
More power to DEFROCK bad Bishops after reasonable investigations.
BAD BISHOPS (any one of the below) –
1) who aid and abet in child abuse;
2) who do not teach completely and totally in accord with the CCC;
3) who do not correct as needed to Save Souls;
4) who allow Scandalous behavior to stand without disciplinary action as needed
(Can 915 & 1399);
5) who allow their personal politics to drive their public and private actions;
6) who put too much emphasis on government grants, rather than right from wrong;
7) who interfere in the political and secular role that belongs to the Laity;
8) who do not put the eternal above the temporal – by not teaching about the 4 last things – Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell.
Speaking of reforms…Didn’t Our Lord give the PERFECTLY WISE response?
Matthew 10:28 “And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Who Am I To Judge? Our Lord’s response… “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ”
Pope Francis clearly made a public judgement on the Italian mafia. If Our Lord instructed us to rather fear MORE those who can kill both the body and the soul, then the same Holy Ghost who guided Pope Francis to say “NO MORE EVIL” to the Italian mafia for killing the body of a three year old little boy, would also guide Pope Francis to say “NO MORE EVIL” to the lavender mafia which is entrenched and destroying both the body and the soul of many within the Catholic Church. They’re goal IS also “the adoration of evil” which kills both the body and the soul. Pope Francis charitably met with the victims of the sex abuse scandals. Are the souls of the many victims who have been spiritually neglected or scattered by despair due to the adoration of this evil any less worthy of needing to hear a public judgement from a strong father figure?
continued from July 10, 2014 at 12:09 pm
“During his one-day visit, the Pope denounced the local mafia by calling out ‘Ndrangheta as an example of “the adoration of evil and contempt for the common good.” According to reports, ‘Ndrangheta is one of the wealthiest international crime organizations, with an annual turnover of 53 billion euros ($72 billion), much of it from the global cocaine trade. “They must be told, No!” the Pope said to a crowd of over 100,000 gathered for the outdoor Mass.
“Vatican spokesman Father Ciro Benedettini said the pope’s stern words did not constitute a formal over-arching decree of canon (church) law regarding excommunication, which is a formal legal process,” The Guardian reported. “Rather, he said it was more of a direct message to members of organized crime that they had effectively excommunicated themselves, reminding them that they could not participate in church sacraments or other activities because they had distanced themselves from God through their criminal actions.”
https://www.hngn.com/articles/35581/20140708/defiant-italians-strike-back-pope-francis-excommunicates-italian-mafia-members.htm
Catherine, just curious, where in your quotes does Jesus opine about either reform or episcopal structure? You seem to have a non-sequitor here, or am i missing something?
Anonymous, I selected that quote for this reason.. The Holy Father had the firm courage to publicly judge and condemn the actions of the Italian mafia, who kill the body, but he did not show the same firm courage to publicly judge and condemn the actions of the lavender mafia, who kill souls with their errors!
I don’t believe that Our Pope would want to implement anything of his.
Holy Father I pray you will NOT listen to AB Emeritus Quinn!
There are a great many weak men who are Church leaders today, who want Protestant-style “collegiality” between the Holy Father and his bishops, as outlined in Vatican II. While “power-grabbing” of immoral, worldly Popes may have occurred at times in the past– we do not see it really happening, today. The best path for the Church, I think, is for a return to a responsible and strong Papacy, which the bishops, of course, have some control over, because the Holy Father is elected by the College of Cardinals! A return to daily teaching and practice of the True Faith and Morals of our Church, following the Catechism, should be implemented strongly, worldwide, along with the Code of Canon Law, revised by Pope St. John Paul II. To be a good, practicing Roman Catholic, of either the clergy or laity, requires a strong commitment, and a firm backbone, in times of trouble!! The dark, corrupt secular world, as Christ predicted– does not understand or accept Him!
Excellent post, Linda Maria.
I think instead of the worry over ecumenism and so-called “separated brethren,” Church leaders should forget about all of that, accept the fact that not everyone will agree with our Catholic Faith– and let go of it! Be kind and Christ-like to non-Catholics, practice your Faith and Morals well, do not argue with anyone, and let God worry about this problem! Christ knew that not all would accept and follow Him! His Faith is for the few who will!
Linda Maria,
You say “don’t argue with them”! Pray tell, how does one keep Our Lords command to “admonish the sinner” with out at least engaging in proper apologetics with them. Please reply!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc
There’s a fine line with what you just said. We must be able to discern too. Holy scripture does say we must be doers of His word. We must also be careful to NOT be like the Jehovah witness cult, for they never admonish or speak up in the secular world on the evils that are being permitted. I don’t even think they vote. They do not help fight the good fight, they are only trying to find more people to brain wash into their cult. Now think about it, have you ever met a Jehovah Witness pray at an abortion clinic? Or did they vote against same sex marriage? I wonder about that, since they are not allowed to salute the flag. I know we can’t change the world but sometimes we have to listen to the Holy Ghost and act when He prompts us to act.
AB Quinn would like and promotes an American Catholic Church separate
from the Roman Catholic Church. I would guess he would volunteer for the position as the Pope of the Am Catholic Church. God help us all. Please continue to say the Rosary for our Pope Francis and his wisdom to guide our one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church in the right direction. There are many of the hierarchy who think like AB Quinn and work to undermine the work of the true Catholic hierarchy. We must not let this happen.
amy, please stop from making false accusations. Why would you even begin to say that the Emeritus Archbishop would want to be separate from Rome. Making up false accusations is not very Christian.
Why? Because of his promoting the idea that we will only have ‘unity’ by redefining papal authority to mean nothing more than one who is first among those with equal authority. Translation: Pope would mean you’re first, but that you have no more weight than anybody else. Hence, nobody would have any weight to hold to the truth, but rather to interpret the ‘Faith’ any way they chose. That’s Protestantism, Anonymous.
It is really a shame that when Bishops. Archbishops, and Cardinals are “REMOVED” from office that they can continue to use the name “Emeritus”.
This is just like Mahony of Los Angelus.
Dear Monsignor Marchetto,
With these lines I wish to make myself close to you and to join the ceremony of the presentation of the book “Papal Primacy and the Episcopate: From the First Millennium to the Second Ecumenical Vatican Council.” I ask you to feel me spiritually present. The theme of the book is a tribute to the love you have for the Church, a loyal and at the same time poetic love. Loyalty and poetry are not objects of commerce: they are not bought or sold, they are simply virtues rooted in the heart of a son who feels the Church as Mother, or to be more precise, and to say it with an Ignatian family “air,” as “the hierarchic Holy Mother Church.” You have manifested this love in many ways, including correcting an error or imprecision on my part, — and for this I thank you from my heart –, but above all it has been manifested in all its purity in the studies made on Vatican Council II. Once I said to you, dear Monsignor Marchetto, and today I wish to repeat it, that I consider you the best interpreter of Vatican Council II. I know that it is a gift of God, but I also know that you have made it fructify.
I am grateful to you for all the good you to us with your witness of love for the Church and I ask the Lord to reward you abundantly.
I ask you, please, not to forget to pray for me. May Jesus bless you and the Holy Virgin protect you.
Vatican, October 7, 2013
Fraternally,
Francis
Well said Amy!!!
Anonymous – It is well know in the circles of the hierarchy that AB Quinn would like an American Catholic Church – separate from the Catholic Church in Rome.
I DO NOT MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Spend some time reading about AB Quinn and your eyes will be opened. AB Quinn was forced into retirement. This is also well know among the clergy. He and his left wing thinkers of the Catholic Church should quietly go away and quit trying to advise Pope Francis. AB Quinn is a voice crying in the wind!
amy, unfortunately for us, that voice crying out in the wind has willing listeners!
May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
Viva Cristo Rey!
Yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
It is worth reading again Quinn’s 1996 Campion Hall lecture, “The Claims of the Primacy..” to see clearly where he, as a soft-spoken mouthpiece of the radical progressive element in the Church, makes the point for power-sharing, so that each bishop is a mini-Pope in his jurisdiction. He laments “Many bishops feel that issues which they would like to discuss responsibly cannot come up—such as those mentioned above as well as others, such as divorce, remarriage, and the reception of the sacraments.” Clearly, even then, he is moving (along with German cardinals Lehmann and Kasper) toward ending the permanency of the sacrament of marriage.
But he also makes some other outrageous assertions. He claims that “some [biblical] commentators are of the opinion” that the passage in John 21 where Peter says “I am going fishing” that Peter was “despondent” and giving up on Christ appearing again as Risen Lord (A Raymond E Brown thesis). Amazing.
Even better is where he claims that “ultraconservative members of the Church” were responsible for the arrest and execution of SS. Peter and Paul, “because they abandoned the requirements of the Mosaic Law.” I am not kidding: this is what he says.
Even better is where he claims that “ultraconservative members of the Church” were responsible for the arrest and execution of SS. Peter and Paul, “because they abandoned the requirements of the Mosaic Law.” I am not kidding: this is what he says (p. 3):
“There was intense and bitter opposition to [Peter’s changes in the Mosaic Law], so much so that some scholars believed that there is founded evidence to show that it was ULTRACONSERVATIVE MEMBERS of the Christian Community at Rome, opposed to the changes Peter and Paul had introduced, who denounced them to the Roman authorities and brought about their arrest and execution.” (also, citing Raymond E Brown, “Antioch and Rome”, for this thesis).
Pretty cool. Blame “conservative” Catholic believers for killing the apostles. Nice job, Archbishop!