The following comes from a December 15 Catholic San Francisco article by Valerie Schmalz:
Archbishop Salvatore J. Cordileone joined in prayer with the family of 26-year-old Hector Salvador December 9 at 16th and Hoff streets in the Mission District in San Francisco.
Salvador was shot and killed in the early morning of December 6 at the site. The archdiocesan restorative justice ministry holds prayer vigils for every person who dies by violence and prays for them and for those who killed them. The pastor of St. John the Evangelist Episcopal Church, Rev. Richard Smith, supporters of the restorative justice ministry, and others formed a circle around a tree with a makeshift shrine for Salvador.
The archdiocesan restorative justice ministry reaches out to the victims of violent crimes and has been organizing prayer vigils for those who died by violence for more than three years. The vigils also include prayers for those who committed the violence.
The ministry recently created a program to prepare volunteers to support the families of crime victims.
“Adding to a family’s trauma after a murder are intrusions into the normal grief process that others facing a loss don’t typically face,” said Julio Escobar, director of restorative justice ministry, such as the need to engage with police, lawyers, investigations, or provide testimony and evidence. Other sudden and overwhelming burdens can be financial ones, like legal and funeral costs.
And CA is one of the toughest gun law States in the nation.
When will politicians learn that bad guys do not obey laws.
And that people are entitled to self defense.
And that there are drugs, and gangs coming through our open borders.
Good for Archbishop Cordileone!
Seth, you are correct in so many ways, but there are alternatives available that would greatly reduce the guns on the street, the guns “needed for self-defense” and the need for police shootings, without reducing anyone’s 2nd amendment rights. In all of the UK last year there was one police shooting. In the last month we saw a knife yielding man in the subways of London subdued by non-gun-carrying police and a knife yielding man in San Francisco killed by overwhelming police force. Why the difference? The UK has very few guns on the streets, therefore 80+% of their police are unarmed. By the way, there is no evidence of guns being very effective in self-defense in this country. It is a myth.
Bob One, please provide an official link of some type to support your position that guns are not effective in self defense.
I think you will find the contrary on the FBI web site.
Really not interested in your personal incorrect opinions.
Given the ratio of stories of mass murder and school shootings, compared to those stories in which someone defended themselves with a gun, I’d say, Seth, that you should be the one giving the evidence. Citing the entire FBI website is hardly evidence. I bet you didn’t even go there yourself.
Seth, here are three sites. There are hundreds of others. I had guns for many years when I did a lot of hunting. Smart people kept the guns in one room, locked up, and ammunition in another room or safe so that the kids could not get them to play with. If you have a gun in your bedroom, under the pillow, and someone breaks into the room, you don’t have time to get the gun out, cock it, aim it and shoot it. You will die first. We don’t live in the wild west anymore.
Harvard…ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha… they long ago lost any credibility…no leftist bias there eh Bob One….????
Someone earlier in the thread mentioned the FBI website for data. I went to the FBI website for data. Here is what I found: Of the 160 active shooter incidents, 21 were ended because unarmed citizens restrained the shooter. Eleven were ended because an unarmed citizen (principals, for example) confronted the shooter. Four were ended because of armed security officers exchanged gunfire with the gunmen. Only ONE was ended because an armed civilian exchanged gunfire.
We need more heroes, more mental health facilities, and fewer guns.
Thank you Canisius! You are right! Harvard and Yale have both lost their credibility. Look at this video evidence of how Russia has and is spreading her errors. These Ivy leaguers in this video were simply being tested. They failed! Our Lady of Fatima warned the world. The world has not listened.
Yale fail: Ivy leaguers sign ‘petition’ to repeal First Amendment
Vatican Website – The Message of Fatima
Since we did not heed this appeal of the Message, we see that it has been fulfilled, Russia has invaded the world with her errors. And if we have not yet seen the complete fulfilment of the final part of this prophecy, we are going towards it little by little with great strides. If we do not reject the path of sin, hatred, revenge, injustice, violations of the rights of the human person, immorality and violence, etc.
continued.. The Vatican Website – The Message of Fatima
And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment. In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible”.(5)
I know what you are all about YFC, you detest the 2nd amendment, but I will make a deal with you I will give up my right to bear arms when every last liberal media outlet is shut down forever…
I have two handguns and three bolt action rifles. Given the crime situation in my neighborhood it is far more likely that my apartment will be burglarized than my having to fend off a home invasion. Both handguns and the bolts to the rifles are locked in a steel chest with a heavy brass padlock under a box of copy paper along with any ammo I have. I’m comfortable that a burglar would be unlikely to drag the chest out along with all my other goodies and that my three year old niece who lo likes mechanical; things won’t get into it. As for a possible home invasion, I still have the bat I used in the Gay Women’s’ Softball League :-)
Good for you, C&H, and you are correct that woman are much more at risk than a man (all other circumstances being the same) for a strong-arm attack or “hot” robbery.
May I also suggest occasionally wearing an “NRA” cap or an ex-military cap when going out, as I do (Army, for my dad; Navy for me and my son-in-law, Marines, for my other son-in-law), or something you may think of. Police detective acquaintances tell me that robbers and gangs almost “always” case the location beforehand—and if they think there will be resistance, like James Holmes (Aurora Colorado killer), they will move on to the next soft target.
God bless, be safe!
C&H, I like the fact that you or I have to think while we unlock where we have the [always unloaded] gun, take it out and load it, and think before we have to act. It is a valuable lesson that “I may be about to change my life: help me, God.” I have had to do that only twice in about 25 years, and fortunately never had to fire, but circumstances were that dire. I do practice regularly, hoping it will never happen again: but gangs and criminals seem to daily get more brazen. And violent.
My take on it is that, if the attack were to take less than 30 seconds, well, I am up a polluted creek without a paddle, and prayer is best at that point.
Again God bless, be safe.
Bob One, it only takes a few seconds for someone to kill you – if you are unarmed.
It takes much more time for police to respond for a call to help.
As a woman, who admittedly is not as strong as the average man, I resent men trying to take away my rights to self defense.
” By the way, there is no evidence of guns being very effective in self-defense in this country. It is a myth.” Bob One always spouting liberal talking points on something he knows nothing about…He is the type of liberal who believes people should depend on government for everything including their protection . His crowd just cannot stand the fact that the 2nd Amendment exists and in the name of tolerance would rather see us as sheep to the slaughter.. I have used my guns Bob One for self defense more than once.. and not just in combat. So its your side that creates myths not mine
Canisius, let’s get off the gross generalization process. I don’t believe that people should depend on government for everything, but I do believe that our laws should provide safety nets for those who can’t make it in our competitive society. I’m a full supporter of the 2nd amendment. I was brought up with guns, trained to use them and was a pretty good marksman and trained others to shoot safely and accurately. But I also don’t believe that just anyone should be able to get a gun – people with mental problems, felons, people who can’t pass a background check, etc. Those aren’t liberal talking points. Let’s work together to create a meaningful background check, register guns like we do cars, build mental institutions for…
The problem with people like you Bob One think that just another law passed with solve the problems. The guns used in the San Bernandino terrorist attack were obtained on the black market. All of the strict guns laws on California’s books did nothing ,repeat nothing. I will not register any gun I have with this corrupt government, Working “together” with liberals usually mean conservatives lose ground, so I refuse to work with them ..
” By the way, there is no evidence of guns being very effective in self-defense in this country. ” = : > (
So if Guns Kill People, Pencils Misspell Words, Cars Drive Drunk, and Spoons Make People Fat
Possession of needles without a license (ie a prescription) is illegal. Do needles “cause” addiction or drug use?
Possession of a nuclear bomb is illegal. Do nuclear bombs “cause” terrorism?
Possession of high blood pressure medicine without a license is illegal. Do they “cause” people to pass out?
Guns don’t kill people Planned Parenthood does and then sells the body parts.
Yes, add to your list “possession of pipe bombs is illegal”. The San Bernardino jihadists utilized 3 in their attack (which fortunately didn’t ignite) and had makings of about a dozen more in their apartment.
Nothing to worry about, “the Authorities” are handling things. It’s a good thing, that pipe bombs are outlawed: or people could get hurt.
Some guns are made and sold with the only purpose being to kill people.
Bob One, the UK is having problems with repeated burglaries where many houses are burglarized over and over again. One Englishman got fed up with the police doing nothing about his house being burglarized repeatedly, got a gun and shot the burglar the next time he came into his home. Guess who was arrested? the homeowner, of course. I do not think he killed the man but disabled him.
In Florida, where people can have concealed weapons, the robbers pick on tourist because they think they will not be armed. There are two sides to every story.
Bob One, I read that article about the Englishman recently on a news report on a more liberal computer news.
The concept that disarmament (“…no evidence of guns being very effective in self-defense in this country. It is a myth.”-Bob None Gun) is a clever myth itself. For example, James Holmes, the Aurora Colorado shooter, specifically chose a cinema that advertised that was a gun-free zone. The two San Bernardino jihadists selected the social-services center because Syed Farook had inspected the site and knew that the only security guard was unarmed. After Australia enacted its gun ban in 2002, sexual assault increased 30%, assault 49%, and violent crime 42% (2006 cumulative stats). Now Bob One can go to the utterly discredited propagandist Snopes site, operated by 2 Clinton operatives, or Harvard, and get counter-vailing facts, but these…
but these are the actual hard facts :
By the way, Bob None Gun, your citing the British police as having no guns as being a good thing does not work well with regard to the now-infamous Woolwich attack 22 May 2013, where a British military man was hacked to death by two jihadists—come on, you can view the facts, since you want to vaunt an unarmed police force:
The first British cop (“constable-on-patrol”) that showed had to withdraw and call for back up—he didn’t have a gun. Eventually a Brit marksman (actually, a markswoman) shot them to stop the attack. Oh, they both survived, its OK, BNG.
Do they have a fund to help with legal and funeral costs?
Archbishop Cordileone is a compassionate priest leading his people in teaching truths that are being rejected by corrupted souls and a corrupt culture. This is another side of him accompanying the suffering with his presence and prayer. SFO has been blessed with a Pastor.
I agree father Perozich
But it would be good for him and all bishops to start programs of prayer to stop killings before they happen. Rosaries, holy hours, confessions and Masses. And education in the Will of God, in the Word of God and in what it really means to be a follower of Christ.
…spreading the whole of the Catholic Faith would help. Focusing on Catholics promoting that which is thoroughly Catholic, in the public square, at Church, and in the home.
By the way, Our Many Fellow Bob-None-Gun Catholics, since you think controlled gun ownership is the best option, have you tried to apply for CCW concealed carry here in San Francisco? Let me save you some time: no matter how pristine your background, it aint happening. The out-going sheriff wouldn’t approve them, and the incoming one is cut from the same progressivist cloth.
Also, any sham means can cause people to be excluded for “mental instability” or “other circumstances”. That means, like Janet Napolitano averred in 2009, veterans esp. with “retrograde political views” like Canisius and myself, are definitely on the “watch list.” Funny how when there is dirty work to do and the progressives are cowering in…
…wherever, they find a way to get in touch right-quick.
By the way, the two Woolwich (UK) jihadists shouted (it’s on video, it wasn’t manufactured by “Fox News) : “You and your children will be next.”
Now, now, don’t worry anyone, they were just being a little euphoric: not to be taken seriously. Just go back to sleep, let Hillary handle it all.
So Bob None Gun and his Many Fellow Catholics will welcome a world that, when protecting your life or that of your loved ones is a matter of seconds, the police are only minutes (in Chicago, hours) away.