The following was posted on Father Malloy’s blog on March 24.
On Tuesday, March 26, as the Supreme Court begins to hear arguments on the Proposition 8 case, San Francisco’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone will join thousands of people at the March for Marriage in Washington DC. His Excellency is the Chairman of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage. The march is ecumenical in the extreme: His Excellency will be joined by (among others) Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage;
Jennifer Roback Morse of the Ruth Institute; Dr. Jim Garlow of the Skyline Wesleyan Church; Democratic New York State Senator (and Reverend) Rubén Díaz; the Reverend Bill Owens, Chairman of the Coalition of African American Pastors; and Dr. Robert George of Princeton University.
The march will also be joined by openly bisexual/gay same-sex “marriage” opponents Robert Oscar Lopez and Doug Mainwaring. Among the numerous co-sponsors of the March is Manif Pour Tous à Washington DC (March for All of Washington DC), the French group which brought a million defenders of marriage into the streets of Paris in January.
March speakers will highlight the unintended consequences of same-sex “marriage” on children. In 2008, then-Bishop Cordileone appeared in the Marriage Matters to Kids video, created to support the campaign for California’s Proposition 8. In his appearance, Bishop Cordileone asked a question and made a point that is being heard more and more frequently: “Children need a mother and a father. Children long for a mother and a father when they don’t have them. If a child grows up without one or the other how are you going to tell that child that having a father isn’t important, or having a mother isn’t important? By virtue of biology we need a man and a woman to bring a child into the world. It’s a logical consistency of design that a child needs a mother and a father to grow up in the best possible context.”
As noted, a number of same-sex attracted persons will be joining the march. The archbishop’s point was echoed earlier this year by the openly bisexual author and father Robert Oscar Lopez, when he testified before the Minnesota legislature. In describing his experience of growing up in a household with two “moms” Mr. Lopez said that he loved both women who raised him very much, but he also said “I could not be true to myself or my obligation to society if I did anything to encourage other children to be placed in such homes.”
[Editor: See Cal Catholic August, 2012 story on Lopez, “I cleaned enough apartments of me who died of AIDS.”]
Another same-sex attracted man who will be speaking at the March is Doug Mainwaring, co-founder of the National Capital Tea Party Patriots. In a March 20 article at The Public Discourse, Mr. Mainwaring opened by saying: “In our sometimes misguided efforts to expand our freedom, selfish adults have systematically dismantled that which is most precious to children as they grow and develop. That’s why I am now speaking out against same-sex marriage. By the way, I am gay.”
Mainwaring continued “Genderless marriage now enjoys an aura of equality and fairness, which suggests that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment had same-sex marriages in mind as they penned their magnificent giant leap forward for humanity. While this situation is highly unlikely, those who selfishly seek additional ‘rights’ for themselves have found their justification in the penumbra they now sense surrounding legitimate civil rights.
Same-sex marriage will not expand rights and freedoms in our nation. It will not redefine marriage. It will undefine it.
This isn’t the first time our society has undefined marriage. No-fault divorce, instituted all across our country, sounded like a good idea at the time. Its unintended consequence was that it changed forever the definition of marriage from a permanent relationship between spouses to a temporary one. Sadly, children became collateral damage in the selfish pursuits of adults.
Same-sex marriage will do the same, depriving children of their right to either a mom or a dad. This is not a small deal. Children are being reduced to chattel-like sources of fulfillment.”
On Tuesday, attendees will gather at the National Mall at 8:30 AM. At 9:30 they will begin marching to the Supreme Court and will return to the Mall. At 11AM the Rally will begin. The USCCB asks all who cannot attend to join in their Prayer for the Defense of Marriage:
God our Father, we give you thanks
for the gift of marriage: the bond of life and love,
and the font of the family.
The love of husband and wife enriches your Church with children,
fills the world with a multitude of spiritual fruitfulness and service,
and is the sign of the love of your Son, Jesus Christ, for his Church.
The grace of Jesus flowed forth at Cana at the
request of the Blessed Mother. May your Son,
through the intercession of Mary, pour out upon us
a new measure of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit
as we join with all people of good will
to promote and protect the unique beauty of marriage.
May your Holy Spirit enlighten our society
to treasure the heroic love of husband and wife,
and guide our leaders to sustain and protect
the singular place of mothers and fathers
in the lives of their children.
Father, we ask that our prayers
be joined to those of the Virgin Mary,
that your Word may transform our service
so as to safeguard the incomparable splendor of marriage.
We ask all these things through Christ our Lord,
Amen.
This man reminds me of St. John Fisher in England. All prelates, out of dread fear and many desirous of ingratiation, sought safety in the “oath of supremacy”…save one. Seeking a martyr’s crown , rather then yield to the seductive voices that sought compliance with the King’s wishes, he was resolute and looked to the Heaven’s for his guidance and moral compass. Many bishops would not dare to stand so firm and articulate with such strength…praise be Jesus Christ!
God bless Archbishop Cordileone! Our prayers are with him! Praise BE JESUS CHRIST…our church is being a strong witness! We give glory and praises to Jesus Christ, Our Lord and savior!
Abeca,
Some in our church are being strong witnesses, Dolan the head of the USCCB is a witness for appeasement. He just allowed Communion for Biden for crying out loud!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
This is GREAT STUFF! God bless and protect Bp. Cordileone in his GUTSY stand. But WHY are there no other Cardinals and Bishops, Archbishops, who will stand with him in this great crusade to validate and save heterosexual marriage? In fact, where are at least half of the prelates who could and should be there to bolster this great gathering tomorrow? Isn’t it important enough in their minds to be there as ADDITIONAL WINTNESSES to the etermal truths of the Catholic church, among the most crucial of which is the SANCITY OF MARRIAGE BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN?
Well, apparently those who are S.S.A. attracted but don’t fall for the idiocy of the “gay” marriage notion, and would not appear to have a dog in the fight, WILL be there to stand for traditional marriage. Go figure. Who knew? I say GOD BLESS them for at least having the intestinal fortitude to come forward and call the whole ploy behind gay marriage’s push what it is: a contemporary take on “GUESS WHAT, THE EMPEROR’S NAKED.”
I will be saying the prayer for the Defense of Marriage for the success of this magnificent undertaking. AND GOD BLESS ALL INVOLVED IN THIS TRULY NOBLE ATTEMPT to turn back the forces of darknness behind the whole gay agenda. MARKRITE
By God’s intentions and design He created marriage for one man to one woman only. He clearly demonstrated this in Our Lord’s first public miracle at the wedding feast at Cana where He and His Blessed Mother were invited to attend. It was a wedding between one man and one woman. By His attendance He condoned the sanctity of marriage for one man to one woman. No where is it written that God approved of gays and lesbians and their civil unions, in fact He wouldn’t approve such a relationship that offends Him. Read about it in St Paul’s Epistle to the Romans Chapter 1 versus 26 – 32. God is offended by gay and lesbianism, it couldn’t be any clearer. There are two priniciple reasons that God created the state and sacrament of marriage, first for pro-creation of children only capable between one man and one woman, and second, for a loving husband and wife relationship to help each other in sanctifying their souls to be with God eternally in Heaven. Two males cannot procreate children nor can two females procreate children. They can however corrupt childrens minds and lives. Only one man and one woman can procreate. Neither two homosexual practicing males nor can two homosexual practicing females help each other get to Heaven by performing deviant homosexual acts that are very offensive to God. It is deviant behavior right up there with another deviant behavior led by the devil, called beastiality. Too many times I have heard it said by homosexuals that God made them that way to gain sympathy for the devils cause. That is only another deception by the devil preying on weak souls to sucker them into accepting this mortal sinful lifestyle. The truth of the matter is that homosexual behavior plain and simple offends God. How could God create in man something He Himself detests so much? What kind of love would that be for a Father to corrupt His child so the Father could be angered by the deviant child? It makes no sense at all. The truth of the matter is that the devil is deceiving and leading homosexuals and their sympathizers astray, to the gates of hell. We do not hate the homosexuals, only their sin, especially when they try to impose their deviant lifestyles and gain acceptance of if through our innocent children in our public schools. The deviant homosexuals must be opposed by the overwhelming majority who need to stop being wishy-washy, worried about appearing like hate criminals, and who don’t want to take and stand and stop the evil tide rolling in. Is it better to offend God or our fellow man? I prefer to offend our fellow man.
James – indulge me two points.
You defend the sacrament of marriage. That is certainly something the Church ought to do. But we are not talking about the sacrament of marraige. We are talking about the state’s function in issuing marriage licenses. Marriage licenses are given by the State to couples of all faiths and to those with no faith whatsoever. The Church does not consider all of the marriages that stem from marriage licenses to be sacramental. Nor does it try to prohibit the State from issuing marriage licenses to OTHER non-sacramental unions, only to those couples who happen to be of the same sex.
Secondly, you write “There are two priniciple reasons that God created the state and sacrament of marriage, first for pro-creation of children only capable between one man and one woman, and second, for a loving husband and wife relationship to help each other in sanctifying their souls to be with God eternally in Heaven.” Your first principle…that God created the state of marriage so that procreation of children is only capable between one man and one woman is sort of silly. If that was God’s intention, then he failed. Children are born out of wedlock all the time. I wouldn’t want to be on record as saying that God failed at anything he attempted, so you might want to rethink your first point. And your second point relates to a religious salvific argument. Such a religious argument can NEVER be the basis of civil law, as it would violate the first amendment.
YF non-C, Once again, this is a Catholic site. You have identified yourself as a homosexual, living in a homosexual relationship. We all get it… you are a faithful gay and want to pretend that you are a faithful Catholic. You cannot have it both ways. You have made your choice. Enough. So, either go away and have the decency to stop leading others into sin or repent and sin no more.
gravey – there is no contradiction between being a faithful catholic and being a faithful gay. Blessed John Paul himself said that homosexual pesons are in the bosom of the Church.
wrong…YFC…if you are actively involved in same sex relationships…with other men…you are in a gravely disordered lifestyle, that is a mortal sin…in fact, a “sin that cry’s to Heaven for vengeance”…
I think he said he was celibate.
What a strong man! He was the right choice for San Francisco, no question about it. God bless him always in working as hard as he does for the Lord, for sanity, for Catholic values, for families, for children, for America.
The Archbishop needs to stay home, he has been out of the archdiocese a great deal since being named! We have many problems in the church that need his immediate attention. The Archbishop of San Francisco has failed to attend a number of events including the funerals of two prominent priests, be assured, his absence has been noticed!!
And the Sodomites are still having a field day in his institutions.
Rather, Thomas, why don’t you join the Archbishop in Washington DC?
Thomas, I agree with you as when he was Bishop in Oakland he seemed to be traveling quite a bit – He is needed in San Francisco and marching in DC will do nothing but marching San Francisco would make a powerful statement –
The promotion of same-sex marriage is the promotion of only two things –
1) Acts of SODOMY;
2) Forcing those who must give their children up for adoption to give them to homo-sexual couples. (By example is the only way that homosexuals can insure the proliferation of their sinful lifestyles.)
CCC: ” 2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.”
CCC: ” 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. ”
Gen: 19:1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:10.
Mary your two points are not persuasive. Sodomy is not practiced by all gay men. And it is almost never practiced by lesbians. Your second point, that people become gay because they were adopted by gay parents, is absurd on its face. The VAST majority of gay people are born to straight parents, and many don’t even know any gay people until after they come out.
I would be curious to know how you arrived at your conclusion that sodomy is not practiced by homosexuals. But on second thought, may be I don’t want to know.
As usual, the “homosexuals are born that way” nonsense is again trotted out, against all evidence and against all common sense and against all recorded human history. I am tired of responding to such self-delusion but allow me to point out that no one is “born” a practitioner of buggery, any more than one is born a thief, an adulterer or a wife-beater. We choose these things.
I would strongly advise you to re-think your statements.
Yes schmenz(?)…i agree fully. The decision to indulge in this perversion is a decision that can lead to hell and a dread disease, that is still incurable. The sodomites who indulge in this depraved lifestyle are living in a disordered state of mortal sin! How many of these sodomites bugger each other, then willy-nilly approach the line for holy communion, steeped in the depravity of this shameful, sinful lifestyle…
Well shmenz, I’m surprised that I actually am being asked this question. Suffice it to say that I’m not going to answer it completely for prudence sake. But the “act of sodomy”, which is what MARY referred to in her comment and to which I responded to, is sometimes done by straight couples and sometimes done by gay male couples. But it is impossible for lesbian couples to perform “acts of sodomy”. “Acts of sodomy” are only one of a wide variety of things that couples may do, or may not do.
As to the “born this way” issue that you and Taipan raise. I didn’t say people were born this way. But they are probably born with a strong preponderance to be gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, straight, or possibly even asexual. I’m talking about their orientation, not about their behavior. Except for truly compulsive acts, choice is always a part of the question, but orientation, probably not so much.
As for the accusation that gay people go “willy nilly” to communion. Are you really being serious here?
I think if you study the Church’s moral teaching on gay people, you will find that it considers homosexual orientation to be neither a choice nor a sin.
I am “dead” serious…you can go to the Catholic Church in West Hollywood and view gay men, with their boyfriend “all” receiving communion, and they live together and have a physical, romantic relationship…don’t play the incredulous card YFC!…you and I both are well aware of this sacrilege that is taking place…the only difference is, you don’t view this behavior as sacrilegious..
I’m fairly sure that they don’t go to communion “willy nilly”. That is just nonsense. They go to communion the same way you do, full of faith and desiring to be near to God.
NO YFC the way the you people (that’s right I said it sodomites) receive communion is a great sacrilege to Our Divine Savior, then again gay man are the MOST VAIN People I have had the misfortune of knowing, and that vain attitude displays love of self not of Our Lord
to: Your Fellow Catholic says –
That is why some highly respected and devout Catholic scholars have concluded that the V2 catechism is rife with error and at times downright heretical.
When apostates and sexual deviates quote from it for backup to their anti-catholic debates it is enough evidence for that conclusion.
Sodomy is a word that stems from the story of God’s total destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, due to their perverse sexual behaviors, which included every single inhabitant since every single one of them was sexually deviant. St Paul describes it as two people of the same sex cavorting with one another. Nowhere in the Bible is there any note about husband and wife bedtime behavior. The only conclusion that makes any sense, then, is that sodomy refers exclusively to homosexuals.
YFC, despite your legal acumen with word meaning, what sodomy means is sex acts or thoughts or imaginings with those of the same sex. Very simple. But you, just like every sodomite who has ever blogged on this site, attempt to make it sound like something that has countless details all of which need to be explored with the greatest articulation in history. Dude, anything having to do with sex between those of the same gender is sodomy. The words stems from a city that was named Sodom. All those in it were destroyed for their perverse sex acts. They tried to gang rape two angels of God … and it was all of them that pressed against those angels, not merely a few of them … all inhabitants were complicit in the attempted rape of God’s angels. This is no different today, YFC; sodomites’ goal boils down to the desecration of God. All sodomites will bite the hand that feeds them; not even all animals will do this. Meditate on this, YFC; meditate on why those who are abused in their youth so often end up abusing others. Sodomy has to stop, and you are called by God to stop it.
Sorry Skai, that’s not what sodomy means.
St. Paul explains “unnatural sexual relations” between persons of the same sex best (and he uses the term “sodomites” in this context).
Rom 1:24-27;
1 Cor 6:9-10;
1 Tim 1:10.
CCC: ” 2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.”
LOL!…Skai, totally agree…his detailed analysis of this perverse behavior is really tiresome…he feels the need to convince everyone that “buggery” is normal, healthy and the Church should recognize this ignominious behavior as a viable, healthy lifestyle…aids and mortal sin are all that sodomy leads too
YFC…why do you spend “ALL” day trying to defend your lifestyle?…nobody here embraces this disgusting, shameful activity, that you advocate…all of your efforts should be spent in D.C. with all the California gays who are stumping for same sex marriage…don’t you find it rather paradoxical and a bit over the top, that you are on a Catholic webpage, attempting to defend a “behavior”, that has been determined by the Church, to be incongruent with what it teach’s on faith and morals?…I, nor anyone else is going to read what you post and decide that “gays” should be allowed to marry, with all the “benefits” of straight people…DOMA should not be overturned…it is the law, and that is that…if you want to get married so bad, move to Maine or Maryland…you can “legally” get married in these states…although you won’t get the federal perks of being a married couple that my wife and I are entitled too…still you can wear a band and call your boyfriend your spouse, …by the way, who would be the husband after marriage, and who is the wife?…never could figure that one out…
First of all, I have not used the pages of CCD to advocate for things that are contrary to Church teaching. I know the teachings pretty well, and I try to be very careful to not go beyond what is taught by the universal church on the matter. Much of what is written on CCD, especially in the comments section, say things about Church teaching which are provably untrue. They just make things up, sometimes without knowing what the true teachings of the Church are, but oftentimes they do so from what seems like a very uncharitable place.
Secondly, I write less for people like you who, it is true, probably won’t open their hearts and minds to become loving fellow catholics, who struggle to become faithful to the movements of the Spirit, and who understand themselves to be on a journey towards salvation just like their gay fellow catholics. Instead, I write to give some hope to the depressed, lonely catholics, especially the young ones, those who have been kicked out of their homes for being gay, those who have contemplated taking their own life. I write to bring them hope in a God who reaches out to us and calls us to himself, and pours himself out for us, unconditionally, even to the point of death on a cross for us.
If you want to promote the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church teaches rather than your own opinions, specifically and accurately quote the following as appropriate:
1) CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition;
2) Code of Canon Law;
3) GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal).
All are available on the Vatican web site.
A good web site with links to the Vatican is – – – – – “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”.
The “spirit”…small s…it is EVIL spirit that motivates you to peddle your load of sodomite rubbish!…if you were motivated by the Holy Spirit, it is inconceivable that you would act, speak, and write the way you do…I know I am a sinner in need of redemption, but advocating a lifestyle that the Church has determined is gravely sinful and disordered is not coming from God…it is coming from a spirit YFC…a demonic spirit!…if I am not mistaken, asmodeus is the demon that is behind lust and sensuality…which includes perversions such as sodomy and other forms of sexual filth…if you spent more time praying the Rosary and asking the Madonna to pray for you, you wouldn’t be in this shape…But oh no, you want to remain a “sodomite”…you like it…you don’t want to come out from this sinful lifestyle!…all I can do is pray for you man
Thank you for that, Your Fellow Catholic. It is appreciated. To the best of my knowledge most Catholics tend to be tolerant of gay people and don’t throw out their gay children or abuse them. Doing so is actually going against the teachings of the Catholic Church. However, it is tragic that children from families of some fundamentalist Christian sects that view the homosexual orientation as sinful or from the devil, are at great risk for abandonment and abuse.
I can’t believe what you said in your post of 2:56 PM, Taipan. It really crosses the line. You may not like someone but telling someone they have a demonic spirit is very un-Christian in my opinion. You don’t agree with someone so you throw the devil in their face? Such rhetoric drives people away from the Church.
YFC, I have stayed away from this site for quite a while so I’m not sure what you have said in the past but you seemed to have stirred up a hornets nest. I’d like to know about your overall view of homosexual activity. I’m particularly interested not so much in theory but in the real world. You see I spent over thirty years living as a homosexual before I came back to the Church five years ago. My own experience with homosexual activity is that it is a strongly destructive force in the lives of otherwise good people. I cannot fully describe how harmful homosexual actions are. I am also fully aware of the tendency by other people with SSA to whitewash and to outright lie about the reality of the homosexual experience. I’m curious about what you think about what I’ve said.
What utter and complete bull,YFC. You and PA are constantly demanding that sodomy be accepted as the norm or equal to the normal heterosexuality. I am not fooled.
YFC, Do you believe homosexual acts, under certain circumstances, are something good and something that should be accepted by the Church as something good?
Mark F, it is good to hear from you. I hope that all is well with you. I wish you a blessed and joyful Easter. God bless you.
MarkF, I don’t write about the theoretical. I write what the Church teaches, that being gay is neither a choice nor a sin. I write about the unconditional love of a Christ who gave himself up for us while we were yet sinners.
Somehow, this position is controversial here on CCD. I’m accused of heinous things, and told I’m not Catholic, and told that what I say is “utter and complete bull”. How ironic that such a pure and simple proclamation of the Gospel gets such a response? It must be, like Christ himself, a stumbling stone.
“a pure and simple proclamation of the Gospel” — again, utter and complete bull. You support gay marriage YFC, which is completely contrary to the Gospel and now you compare yourself to Christ Himself. YFC what you want is plain and simple — the complete queering of Church teaching so you don’t have to feel guilty about your sins.
Jesus loves us unconditionally. Jesus also says we must repent of our sins in order to enter His Kingdon.
YFC, I appreciate what you said and I think I understand what you are saying. You seem to say that we all commit sins and are still loved by God, to which I agree. However you do seem to be avoiding my question. I did not ask about the inclination to homosexual actions. I asked what has been your experience with the actual actions. I will repeat what I wrote above. My own experience with homosexual activity is that it is a strongly destructive force in the lives of otherwise good people. I cannot fully describe how harmful homosexual actions are. I am also fully aware of the tendency by other people with SSA to whitewash and to outright lie about the reality of the homosexual experience. I have to say that in general I really am tired of internet games and acts of sleight of hand. I’d like a direct answer to a direct question.
There have been other gay apologists in CCD. They all trumpet the same thing, and if given some tether, they all launch into the raunchy details of their perversions. It would make sense that at least some of these bloggers are paid to sit around and troll their opposition with perverse advocations. But as Bishop Vasa puts it, it affords the Church a teaching moment. Not only can we teach the specific bloggers but also perhaps thousands of readers who desire to understand the whole issue better.
Pray for children (and preborn children) — the victims of selfish adults.
Will Abp Cordileone be the only bishop at this event?
When Chief Justice roberts votes in favor of gay “marriage,” will any bishop excommunicate him?
The way this works, Abp Cordileone can only excommunicate and control what happens within his own Diocese (very recently San Francisco).
Justice Roberts works in Cardinal Wuerl’s Diocese of Washington DC. (I don’t know what Diocese Robert’s resides in.)
In the past Cardinal Donald Wuerl along with Cardinal Timothy Dolan have done nothing regarding Canon 915 within their own Diocese for those who obstinately commit mortal sin and Scandal within their Dioceses.
Each Bishop has the responsibility to control everything “Catholic” within his own Diocese.
Mike, I don’t think Cardinal Wuerl is responsible for controlling the rulings of Supreme Court justices. The Supreme Court justices are responsible for interpreting the law not for making sure that they are pleasing their bishop. The justices are serving all Americans not just Catholics.
Mark from PA, Cardinal Wuerl is responsible for everything “Catholic” that takes place within his Diocese of Washington DC.
All Cardinals and Bishops are required to enforce the Code of Canon Law within their OWN Diocese which includes 915 and 1399. (The word used by Pope John Paul II and the Magisterium in the propagation of the Code is: “MUST” not can, nor should, nor could.
No one can divorce himself from God wherever he may work – and this includes Justices and Politicians.
By controlling everything “Catholic” is to teach and insure that all the teachings of the Church are adhered to by Catholics – to the best of their ability. And to remove those “Catholics” who obstinately commit mortal sin which includes SCANDAL.
See the ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition’ for Church definitions of Scandal.
See 1 Cor 5:11-13 for the words of St. Paul.
And see Canon 915 and 1399.
Good is 100%.
Evil is 100%.
There is no co-existence between good and evil.
PA why do you constantly read what is not there, Mike never stated that Cdl Wuerl controls the ruling of the supreme court, how did you interpret his comment that way.
Which brings up the question, why are episcopal appointments positioned that allow influential politians to publicize their hypocrisy. Some poster recently has said it was mainly due to the bishop maker named Jolli or some such spelling. I continue to wonder how difficult it must have been for Pope Emeritus to cut through such “filth” and put a few good bishops in a few challenging places. Was it the Prophet Jeremiah, the one who was thrown down a well by Queen Jezebel, who threw up his hands and asked God what good his prophet calling was doing? What point is God making in this situation where a Pope resigns, where the main pressure is from abortion and sodomy powers?
Father Malloy needs prayers. See blog.
The March 18th entry on this blog (A Shepherds Voice) has a novena for marriage. Also, remember that the Divine Mercy Novena begins Friday. There is a website (Pray More Novenas) that will email you reminders and prayers.
What a leader this Archbishop is, will his comfortable parish priests follow?
Meanwhile, over at Santa Clara, life goes on as usual. I am sorry, but our beloved Archbishop is needed more in his home turf than on the high national horse.
Mary,
Their eyes are blinded by their sins, likewise their ears, they don’t want to hear God let alone you, as witnessed by the person who calls himself “Your Fellow Catholic”. He should call himself “Your Fellow Apostate Catholic”. That would at least be honest!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
I believe it would take a supernatural grace to remove the scales from YFC’s eyes…he seems so blind to truth…yet I know, that he knows the “truth” of the matter…as we all do
It’s the battle front, Taipan. My confirmation sponsor in 1979 was the late Sebastian Temple whose “modern” missal songs may still dominate the novus ordo parishes, told me … in hushed tones … as much as there was a grave and looming battle about to explode having to do with the sodomites. A few years later the late Cdl Bernardin made the headline news as an accused homosexual practicioner. Then a few more years and the whole sodomite/pedophile scandal broke, a scandal whose back has not yet been broken. It is humiliating to have to fight sodomites, but necessary. I can recall seeing the whole thing beginning to crank up back about 1970 in the university environs. I heard that most young adults now favor gay marriage: with such lack of character, this nation would never have come close to winning its great trials such as World War II. So, there needs to be at least some character building today and the only source seems to be the Church. But the Church hierarchy in infiltrated with a large portion of gay Iscariots, or as the Pope Emeritus pointed out, “filth”.
Mwangi Kilonzo,
Where he should spend his apostolic time is a decision only the good Archbishop can make, not you or anyone else!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Uh, sorry to shake up your sense of geography, Mwangi, but Santa Clara has NOTHING TO DO with Archbishop Cordileone.
That college falls under Bishop McGrath of the Diocese of San Jose.
You really can’t win for losing with some people — if Archbishop Cordileone did not speak up on the national scene, people would accuse him of “not caring.” If he does march to Washington, D.C., people want him to stay home in California. I think he’d do best to follow his OWN conscience and ignore all the backseat drivers…
Fritz, driving is one thing, but your hiding in a ditch is quite another. You’ll never go anywhere that way, yet some of the drivers will reach their destination.
Thomas and Mwangi, The poor and local problems we will always have with us. Sometimes there are national issues more important than our myopic local problems. I am sure those deceased priests received the funerals they deserved. Hopefully they were not cremated. I normally prefer that the clergy stay out of secular matters; however, this isn’t just a secular matter, this is one about our faith and morals, i.e. the life and death of our souls and society as we know it today. A matter that is so serious it will have repercussions for all generations in the future. Those repercussions must be the end of offending God, putting God first, and not the sinful fallen nature of sinful people who care nothing about God, but only themselves in to indulge in deviant sexual behavior. You may not be parents or grandparents; however if you are, you should be concerned for the sake of your children and grandchildren and their childrens childrens souls in pleasing Almighty God, that their lives will be virtuous so that they may enter the eternal reward of Heaven with God our Father, not burn in the fires of hell like many of their naive, weak, and uncommitted to God grandparents that walk the earth today worrying more about offending their fellow man than God Himself. God is just and will punish those who offend Him and do not repent their sins. Heaven and its angels, hell and its devils are all real, to not believe the truth is not worthy of being a catholic or christian, because that non-belief is only defiance in the face of God. May God bless the bishop, and draw more American bishops to follow in the march/rally on Washington DC. May God bless everyone of our USSCOTUS justices to vote in God’s favor, not sinful mankind. May they fear the rath of God for their souls, especially those self-labeled catholic justices who lean in the direction o fprefering to offend God before offending sinful man.
God bless this marvelous Archbishop! God’s design is for a man and a woman to come together in Holy Matrimony and fruitfully bear children.
Two men or two women cannot replicate the nuances and graces inherent in the matrimonial state of husband and wife. Children deserve the harmony and order of a mother and a father.
Even Russia has now forbid any orphans being adopted to gay couples. This adheres to God’s first order to mankind, to go forth and bear and raise children. Obeying this order satisfies the Eleventh and Greatest Commandment to worship God and love one’s neighbor as one’s self.
Amazing that it should be Russia of all places, that remains an island of sanity in this sodomy-obsessed world! Three “hurrahs” for Vladimir Putin!
Skai and Anton, Russia also now forbids orphans being adopted by Americans. Anton, I would not necessarily call Russia an island of sanity. Your hurrahs for Vladimir Putin show a certain naive viewpoint. Just because he feels that gay people should be discriminated against and mistreated makes him some kind of a hero in your eyes?
Mark, Russia forbids Americans to adopt their children because of the low birthrate in Russia. There are hardly enough young people to support the elderly. They want these children for themselves, and they probably are not as badly taken care of as you think — maybe even better than they would be taken care of over here. Americans tend to think they are better than other countries. That is NOT always the case. The Russian leaders are even paying people to have children there now. Americans need to look at their own sins. Many have used contraceptives, aborted their children and sodomized themselves almost out of existence, then they run to foreign countries to get their children. Fat chance!
My last post was for Mark from PA of course.
Anne T, many of the Russian children languish in institutions where they receive inadequate care. Many Americans have adopted Russian children with disabilities as these children would not be adopted in Russia and possibly face spending their lives in institutions. You are correct that Russia has a very low birthrate and the government is encouraging people to have more children. It is tragic that many women in Russia use abortion as a form of birth control and by the time they are 30 years old many Russian women are sterile and have caused horrible damage to their reproductive systems from multiple abortions. Personally I feel that the Russian government should allow all children who were involved in an adoption process be allowed to live with their adoptive parents, also they should allow children with disabilities to be adopted by Americans. If they don’t want healthy children to be adopted to our country they need to encourage their adoption by Russian families.
PA, yes Putin is not afraid to forcefully attack the gay mafia also as opposed to our so called president, Putin made a religious pilgrimage to the Icon of the Mother of God…I would take him over Obama any day of the week
I found it very interesting to hear on National Public Radio that the majority of protesters (against gay marriage) in France were involved not because of RELIGION, but because of FAMILY.
In other words, the lukewarm French (lukewarm in terms of their fidelity to the Catholic Church) stood up against gay marriage because, even if they do not care much about God or the Sacraments, DO care about family life and want children to have, God willing, a mother and a father to raise them properly.
Fritz: You should get out of the habit of listening to NPR. It is bad for your mental health!
Anton, I do not recommend NPR, but I think Fritz is making a good point. Even some atheists think children need a mother and a father.
Does anyone know of legitimate studies comparing monogamous heterosexual couples engaging in only vaginal intercourse without a condom vs. monogamous homosexual couples engaging in anal intercourse without a condom?
I’m sorry. I meant this in the context of health issues. I should have mentioned that.
Stats are known, see CDC, for example. Disease from adultery and especially sodomy is rampant and often horrible. Disease from chastity is, I’d imagine, zero. So, as far as ratios go, there is none, since zero cannot figure into a ratio.
C’mon man…wrong forum..
I don’t know of such studies. They are almost impossible to undertake. Part of the issue is whether the straight couple is of child-rearing age. If so, deaths during pregnancy and child birth would certainly make the straight couples appear less healthy. But that’s not exactly something I’d go around to promote one orientation over the other.
Oh I should mention that there HAVE been studies between the health of celibate men and sexually active ones. Turns out fully celibate men often develop prostate problems at far higher rates. But again, I’m not sure I’d want to use that kind of data to advocate against celibacy.
I almost wonder if YFC is actually gay…it almost seems inconceivable a “gay’ man would spend this much time on this Catholic webpage, advocating in such a vociferous manner!…Maybe he is just here to debate, and see if he can strike a chord with someone and try to get others to endorse or conform to this depraved and sinful way of thinking…I just don’t know
YFC promotes an evil agenda. The motivation for doing evil is called the “mystery of iniquity”. St Paul in Romans addresses exactly the condition that YFC demonstrates … a “seared conscience”, ie a darkened soul. Jesus, the Light, shines into the darkness, which is why it takes a lot of holiness among His faithful to convert sinners.
Mark from PA, temptation is not sinful. Even Jesus was tempted by the devil.
Temptation can make one a better person because we can choose to climb the ladder of holiness.
Good is 100%.
Evil is 100%.
There is no co-existence between good and evil.
Those in the middle are the “Lukewarm”, who will be spewed out of the mouth of God. (Rev 3:15-16).
WAY TO GO MIKE! AWESOME COMMENTS! I appreciate the bible verse as well! God bless you and I pray you a wonderful Easter Season.
MIKE I;m a big math geek myself so i love equations like the ones you provide. However, i must say, they don’t hold up in real life.
If for example. a catholic marries an atheist and produces a child. If they get married, which is anathema to the church, should they forsake the child to an adoption agency because their marriage is illicit and/or illegal in the eyes of the church?
That is not math, but pseudo-science, YFC, aka snake oil. For those readers who do not see this, what it is, is the manipulation of word definitions in the same formula. It’s called a shell game.
I guess you missed my question amid all of the many responses on here. I am asking again because I found your first answer didn’t really answer the question.
I’d like to know about your overall view of homosexual activity. I’m particularly interested not so much in theory but in the real world. You see I spent over thirty years living as a homosexual before I came back to the Church five years ago. My own experience with homosexual activity is that it is a strongly destructive force in the lives of otherwise good people. I cannot fully describe how harmful homosexual actions are. I am also fully aware of the tendency by other people with SSA to whitewash and to outright lie about the reality of the homosexual experience. I’m curious about what you think about the nature of homosexual actions themselves.
Your Fellow Catholic – I do not believe that you are Catholic.
You should not be posting as a Catholic unless you have read the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” – since you do not know the Faith.
CCC: ” 1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority. In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.
This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.”
For more info on Mixed Marriages or Disparity of Cult, see the CCC – #1633 through #1637,
Google: New Oxford Review ‘The Books were a Front for the Porn: The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement’
This article is more relevant today than when it was published in The New Oxford Review about 7 years ago.
Catherine, thanks for the article! I’ve been saying virtually the same thing on here for years. A better Google search is “mass resistance the books were a front for porn.” That search produces the entire article, not just a summary. The author said, “Start pressuring homosexuals to tell the truth about their lives.” If only it were that easy. I’ve told my story several times to both straight audiences and homosexual ones. The surprising part to me is how much that the straight audiences cling to their notion that homosexual lives are just like we see on Oprah – fun, happy, sane and normal. Mine wasn’t and neither were the lives of the thousands of men and women I met. There is a difference in both the quality of the pathology and the quantity of it in the homosexual world. And yet none of the secular people believe me. They brush it all off as my own personal anecdotes. They tell me that I’m closeted still even though I came out in public when I was 16 back in the mid 1970’s and I led gay rights groups in my twenties. Worse yet, I have been blamed for knowing the sort of people I describe. “What sort of person are you that you know such people?” My belief is that straight seculars are so filled with guilt about their own lives that they embrace anything that rejects traditional, quiet decency. What is also striking is that anytime, day or night I can reach out and find other men with SSA who will validate all of what I’ve said and all of what this writer has said. But the subject has to be broached in a certain way. If the conversation is framed as one of just unburdening one’s problems then I get the truth from gay men. Then I hear about the childhood sexual abuse they went through. Then I hear about the absent father or the abusive older brother. Then I hear about growing up feeling less of a man and about the drugs, depression and mental health problems that abound. But if I frame the conversation in terms of questioning the very the nature of homosexuality or of rejecting the gay ideology then, well, I get a different story. Then I hear about how wonderful and even chaste it all is. This is all straight people see, the sanitized, Oprah, Will and Grace version. In public with the spotlight on you won’t get a shred of truth from someone with the homosexual ideology. In DC here we had a similar example. US Today profiled the typical, loving, monogamous gay couple, one of which had fathered several children by artificial means with some women. This was presented as normal. The reality was that this loving, monogamous couple really was a sadomasochistic threesome, something that was only discovered when a dead body turned up in their million dollar home in DC. Pure coincidence the deniers say. They say the same thing when tens of thousands of teenage boys are molested by male priests. They say the same thing when untold numbers of teenage boys are molested by male Scout masters. They say the same thing when the first same-sex couple in Britain to adopt a child was arrested for molesting the child, or when that white professor who adopted a black baby boy tried to sell the child for sex on the internet. So be it. This is what we face – blind arrogance and willful denials of the truth. Yet I cannot and will not be silent. I feel like I’ve been conned and lied to and I do not like that feeling one bit.
Well, MarkF, most people believe televison; so, how would they be able to reason anything out on the basis of fact? They don’t. They are sheep led to the slaughter, and the slaughterers are having their field day, as they do periodically throughout history. There was a major Prophet who complained to God that he was the only faithful one and no one would listen. God replied, on the contrary, that there are 8000 true prophets hidden throughout the land. The truth is being delivered, MarkF, by the hidden voices of God here and there. Just imagine the pressure that was wielded against the two angels of God at the Sodom event. In fact I wonder if there is a parallel between that and the retirement of Pope Emeritus, in that Abraham and Lot were ordered by God to get out because that city was doomed. If so, if an actual parallel, then there would be a difference due to the guarantee of the Church by Christ. I have yet to see much if any speculation on this possibility.
Skai, Pope Benedict retired due to increasing age and frailty. I don’t think it was because Rome or the Catholic Church was doomed. We have a new Pope Francis I who is serving the Lord and us. Easter is a season of resurrection, not doom and gloom. May the joy of Easter fill your heart.
PA, no doubt you also believe in every word that proceeds from the mass media.
Skai, for the life of me I cannot find in the bible that particular prophet who you mentioned. Can you help me find it?
Either way it’s hard not to compare our times to the times of old when Israel turned her back on the Lord. Every time that Israel was warned about how she had forgotten what the Lord had done for her, Israel was punished by some calamity. How can anyone not feel that America is in big trouble and that few seem to care? Just take this as a fact. While the country — or the media and secular, atheist elites at least — is consumed with pushing homosexuality on the whole of society, the country is going broke, and Korea and Iran are threatening the world with nuclear war. This is insanity.
I accept at last that there are many people in the Church who insist on equating homosexual acts with heterosexual acts. I accept that some will still dance this dance even after the revelation of major scandals of abuse where 90% of the abuse was male on male. So be it.
These are tough and dark times. We have seen war in the past but we still had the family. We’ve been through the holocaust but yet we still had the family. Even the communists and nazis did not seek to destroy the family. Make no mistake about it, we are losing the family here in America. But yet it is Easter and God will triumph. Yet I still feel that we have to be prepared for darkness to descend all around us. We may have the inner light yet all around us will be in darkness. We have to be prepared both financially and spiritually for the coming darkness. My own prediction is that of a major financial collapse perhaps followed by a major war that will not turn out well for us. This society is deeply sick and yes, our acceptance and promotion of homosexuality is a sign of that deep sickness. I don’t think we can just say that God will triumph. God promised us his victory but he did not promise that it would happen in our lifetime. That reality is something we have to be prepared for.
I think it was Jeremiah, maybe Ezekial. Wish I had time to look it up, but I’m hard pressed for time, energy and focus.
MarkF, I use OT because human nature has never changed. The OT shows us what people do, with and without and in spite of the intervention of God. For example, in the NT Jesus tells his disciples to watch out for the fluff of the pharisees. Now, since the pharisees would be out of the picture soon, then obviously Jesus was referring to those who gain power and authority over His people in the Christian era. Human nature does not change; but worse, we find that even with the Sacraments human nature sometimes not only operates as it did back then but even with the inspiration of God, or in some cases with the union of God, a religious leader will create fluff in his leadership. So, in this verse of the Gospel, one can see where the OT and the NT are joined at the hip, so to speak. OT people had external evidence of God; NT people who enjoy the Sacraments have a mystical connection with God … the abuse of which is even more incredible that it ever could have been in OT times. So, the same human nature under two different divine interventions is the same yet carries different responsibilities and incurs different rewards and consequences. Now, I realize I’m attempting to say in a few sparse words something that should take further articulation; however, I do this because at least it may bring an idea or insight to mind in some readers who can then use that to further their own study in Catholicism.
MarkF, and other ears who might be able to grasp this: The USA is not going broke, it is rather using power to distribute the production and distribution of goods to the far reaches of the globe. The limit is not a financial question but a resource question. What is the limit of global resources both raw and manufactured? The industrialized world is pushing for that limit of production and distribution. Many sectors are fighting for their cut. But who knows what cut of the pie should be theirs? Many people of power and wealth become bored all that is available, and then they do stuff that is not good instead of seeking to do good beyond their own lusts. Who gets to define how everyone should live their daily lives, their recreation time, where, when, and so forth, how many children, morals, etc.? The free market/socialism argument fails long before the limit is reached. Rather perhaps these don’t fail, but merge. Then what? What are the parameters that need to be respected by everyone? The Church says that individual personality must be respected first, and foremost … but in the context that God is worshiped above all else. How can the Church continue to materialize it? How can the Church continue to carry out the Great Commission in a growingly more extreme and dynamic flux of human and social activity with incredible technologies appearing faster than any individual can even read about? Like the character in Gunsmoke, Chester, proclaimed to Marshal Matt Dillion of Dodge City, Kansas (located in Hollywood, btw, and now a ghost town), “If trains were meant to fly, they’d have wings”: Well, now they do. Onehundredfifty years ago, one could think about a radical new technology over the course of years or decades without being interrupted by some new technology … now it’s more like every hour something new pops up. This rate of increase of new technology is in a rapid acceleration. What will it come to? How long can this increase be pulled off before it all goes “bang”? We know there is a limit. What happens as we approach this limit? Do we look to the philosophers of the world, to the Book of the Apocalypse and some elements of the Gospels, or to Catholic philosophers such as Blessed John Paul II who put his life into explaining that Christ has called each one of us by our own unique God given name, and that this is critically important? It is more important than almost anything else a pope can do because it does not ultimately matter whether a bishop is outstanding or also-ran if he does not understand this. And evidently most of them don’t, which is why they are ok with sodomy, abortion, and other disgusting social phenomena including classic greed, lust and self emulation.
Mark F, read 1 Kings 16-19 and you’ll see where Elijah (after he was victorious over Ahab’s 450 pagan prophets) while hiding in a cave from the wicked Jezebel had it out with God and he declared he was the only believer left, when in reality there were 7000 that did not bow down to Ba’al. This is a really important lesson from many aspects, as this was where God spoke to Elijah in a still, small voice. I’ve always loved that!
Also, in regard to the relevance of the OT attitudes about homosexuality (abomination, the sin that cries out to Heaven, etc.) one need only site Jesus saying he did not come to change the law but fulfill it. The laws regarding homosexuality still hold true and though wily twisters of the truth try to negate that by incorporating dietary restrictions and bans against weaving linen and wool together, etc., but we know those to be specious arguments in an entirely different category, don’t we? It was so strange that Elijah, who had done all these amazing things against the false prophets should run away from one little woman…which just goes to show that women living outside the discipline and uplifting power of God are really scary creatures…as Canisius can attest! There but for God go I!
Happy Easter. The Lord is Risen!
Skai, you say that human nature has never changed but I think in a way it has for some. I have read the Old Testament and much of it tells of brutal killings. Live was cheap to many of the people back then. When Christ came, He preached a gospel of love. I believe that Christ has changed the hearts of many. So for a number of people, human nature has changed through the grace of God, through Christ. There is evil in the world but there is much goodness also. The search of so many for peace and justice testifies to this. I am inspired by the goodness of those who strive to make this world a better place.
“What sort of person are you that you know such people?”: Calvinism and Lutheranism instill this attitude of “predestination”, a false spin of what Scripture refers to.
Dana, saying the laws against homosexuality still hold true but the other laws don’t is fudging it. So if those Old Testament laws that you break, you don’t have to follow those rules? I think people who use the Old Testament to justify hatred of homosexuals and violence against them are breaking the words of Christ in the New Testament. More and more people are accepting gay people as equal in their dignity and humanity to others.
Happy Easter to you Mark, and thanks for the chuckle…or at least a snort. I can assure you that no one else here sees it as hatred of the unfortunate souls who cling to their sins to point out to them that their embrace of carnal lust and adultery is leading them to Hell and damnation. Jesus said so as well. That you always promote sin so sweetly and bemoan our bigotry with such hand wringing and wrinkled brow only redounds on your own head. You fool no one…especially not God, who sees to the very core of our being. “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.” Is.5:20
Dana, I was reminded of a different verse. I thought about the story of the rich man and Lazarus. From the grave the rich man feared for the souls of his family who were still alive. He suggests to God that God allow his spirit to return from the grave to warn his family to repent. God responds that they had Moses and the prophets and will not believe a man who has returned from the dead.
We can’t change anyone if their heart is closed to the Spirit. I struggled with this bit of theology myself too. It’s an even harder struggle in real life. The key is in the first commandment, not to create your own god. Homosexuality like many other things becomes its own religion
PA I want you to know that because of some of your comments…you may have lead a few astray….especially a homosexual. I hope someone with the truth will reach him and correct the lies and errors that are destroying his soul.
Mark F, yes it is true that some young people were abused by priests but child abuse is a big problem in our country. Some 1 out of 4 women were sexually molested as children. Most of these women were molested by someone they knew, many by family members. Where I live it seems that most victims are girls who are often molested by boyfriends or husbands of their moms. You seem to try to give an incorrect impression that most molesters are gay and this is not true. What is the point of trying to stir up hostility against a group of people that many here already dislike?
PA, MarkF is pointing out some uncomfortable facts. As someone who was raised in an homosexual household I can tell you Mark F is more right that you will ever know. You sound like the man hating feminists I was surrounded by growing up, where being a male and straight was a capital crime. You are so quick to protect the gay image as being normal and healthy and demanding that it be accepted. Mark F was neck deep in that world and has a far more realistic world view than you do. He is carrying a cross larger than most of us could ever dream of carrying, perhaps its time for you to admit that he knows what he is talking about.
Canisius, I suppose my world view is influenced by the nuns that taught me in school. I was brought up viewing men and women as equal. I feel bad for the abuse that you suffered. But I also saw women in a different light. My grandmother had 14 children and was the family matriarch. I saw much strength in her. In Polish we have an expression, “The mother is the queen of the home.” My mother was a quiet and gentle woman and pretty much never had a bad word to say about anyone. This is my first Easter without my mom and I will miss her presence and her wonderful Easter dinners. I hope that you, Mark F, Skai and everyone here, has a blessed and joyful Easter.
PA, your entire apologetics is salvation because everyone is doing it. Why don’t you read what Jesus says about salvation?
Dana, where have I promoted lust and adultery here? I am saying that our young gay people are good and deserve to be treated with kindness. What is the good in telling these people that they deserve to be scorned and rejected because of who they are? What is the good in telling these young people that they do not deserve the friendship of “good” Catholics because the are “evil”? I get it, some people just don’t like gay people. It is as simple as that. But the Catholic Church does not condemn those that offer their hands in friendship to our gay brothers and sisters. You say thanks for the chuckle but to me this is not funny.
Mark PA, we’ve covered this territory so many times… it is not the young people who are evil, but what they do is a sin against God, and therein lies the evil. Surely you must see that! Once people become their sin, when they deny it is a sin and they feel they do not need to confess it, they’ve become sin…reprobate minds cut off from God’s mercy because they refuse it. That’s becomes a type of unforgivable sin, Mark. It’s unforgivable because the sinner refuses to believe he’s sinning and he dies in his sins. I’m no apologist, but that seems so clear to me. Have you tried sharing your views with your priest? Well, my eyes are crossing here. I’ll have you in my prayers tonight!
MarkF, that is so true…it’s something we ALL see in our own families and friends (and our own behavior, of course) I suppose for me, the most gut wrenching, worrisome verses are found in Mathew ( I find the whole book of Mathew utterly earth shattering and feel like I need to buckle up before I read it)
Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” Jesus is so emphatic and the message is so crystal clear. Why are so many so blase’ and complacent? As you may have read, Sen Portman from here in Ohio is changing his views on same sex so-called marriage because his son is a homosexual. Would he want to legalize murder if his son killed someone? I am so disgusted because he lied to his constituency. His family is his idol and comes before God and country. If he’d tried to do that even ten years ago, he would have been utterly ruined. This country has swung ever farther from the plumb line of God. If our political and moral climater were wall paper, I’d say we’re laying it perpendicular to the floor and ceiling by now.
Dana, you say that you are disgusted with Senator Portman because he lied to his constituency. What did he lie about? Maybe he didn’t know in the past that his son was gay. Are you angry because this man accepts his son? Would you feel better if he denounced his son and disowned him because he was gay? You say, “Would he want to legalize murder if his son killed someone?” Why do you say that? Why do you compare his son to a criminal? Having a homosexual orientation is not comparable to being a murderer. I think that is a terrible thing to say. In their pastoral letter regarding children who are gay, the US bishops told parents not to reject their children.
Dana,
I assume that Sen. Portman mistakenly believes that his son will find happiness in a homosexual marriage. His intentions are good but he’s blind if he thinks that his son will find lasting happiness through homosexuality. The really odd thing is that even after they’ve tipped the world upside down by allowing for same sex marriage, very few homosexuals even get married. It’s only perhaps 3% of homosexuals get married in places where it’s legal. The other day on C-SPAN I saw a gay activist say it will take time for marriage to catch on. What was odd was that he was pushing for gay marriage while he and his own partner chose not to get married. The interviewer asked him why they didn’t but he wouldn’t answer. This whole issue is smoke screen. This isn’t the only illusion involved with homosexuality.
Setting aside gay “marriage,” a father like Sen. Portman cannot imagine that his son is involved in something so dark. There is an iron curtain of silence around the real nature of what actually happens in the homosexual world. Perhaps the son of Sen. Portman is naive, as we all are when we started out with homosexuality. That naivete gets blasted out of you fast enough. I can’t even count how many times I’ve seen guys in gay bars break down and cry – some guy didn’t call him back, some guy dumped him, some guy lied to him. When I was the age of Sen. Portman’s son I thought that I could change it all myself. I thought all of the problems that I saw came from str8 society and that if I worked hard to convince str8 people to accept us that it would all change. More than thirty years later and things are the same or worse. A typical homosexual couple becomes sexless after a few years. Or they have a messy break up. Or they become promiscuous. “Oh, that’s my partner but we’re not possessive.” How many times have I heard that line. I’ve known lots of adult guys who still have sex with their own brothers. And every single gay guy I’ve known who has custody of a teenage son either has sex with his own son or tells me that he wants to. I’ve knew a gay couple who got a series of teenage boys from foster care. I’ve heard a lot of stories. “My father had sex with me when I was five. Then my step-father did after that.” Drugs. Alcohol. Suicide attempts, decades in psychotherapy, internet hook ups with total strangers.
Why haven’t you heard about this? One, gay people will never tell a straight person about this, ever. And when someone like me tells the truth way too many people won’t believe it. So be it. It is only because of this iron curtain of silence around the subject that anyone even brings up gay marriage. An ocean of tolerance will not change the nature of the beast. But tolerance is not the goal. The next goal is to silence by force any and all voices of opposition, all in the name of something that starts with naive innocence but ends in total darkness. Would anyone sin if it looked bad from the start?
Noah built his ark while it was sunny and dry while the rest of his community mocked him. Sen. Portman thinks that it’s not going to rain.
Homosexuality is not the same as murder. It’s more like a death sentence though.
Happy Easter Mark F ! Thank you for your very truthful wisdom!
Thank you very much for your kinds words.
Your insightful post gives me much more sympathy for these men, MarkF and a stronger desire to defend marriage and hetero-relationships. If it’s not from God, it just doesn’t work, does it? I’m going to pray for all you who have broken out of the disturbing cycle for it must take tremendous self-discipline, but the rewards must be great as well. Actually, I have our Blessed Mother pray for you, as she’s got better connections! ;O) May God continue to bless you and grant you even greater strength and courage to carry you through, Mark. You have always been a blessing on this site and have opened our minds and hearts to many things… it’s so good that I can ‘meet’ people like you, Catherine, Skai, Kenneth & Abeca and so many others who have enriched my faith life enormously. I suppose I’ll always be acerbic and outspoken, but I live in hope of changing… but probably not anytime soon.
Mark F, do you read what you write here? I truly think you make some of this stuff up. You write, “Every single gay guy that I’ve known who has custody of a teenage son either has sex with his own son or tells me that he wants too.” Every single one? I don’t believe this. I don’t know of anyone who ever had sex with his teenage son. I would imagine that this is very rare. How in the world would you know anyway? Do you ask people if they have sex with their children? I can’t imagine anyone asking someone such a question or discussing something like that. How many people ask people if they would want to have sex with their children? Are you saying that you actually ask this and get positive responses? You go on to say that you know lots of guys that have sex with their brothers. How would you know this? That is making a really big assumption. I don’t know of anyone who has sex with their brother and that isn’t a question that I would EVER ask anyone. Why do you spend time thinking about this stuff?
For my money, investing in a subscription to NOR is one of the best products for the least amount of money… especially if you pay a little extra for access to ALL their back issues on line. What a bargain! They also give free subscriptions to prisoners… well, if someone coughs up the donation. Who would think something so orthodox could come out of Berkeley? ;o) And there is a new article or book review in every issue by Anne Barbeau Gardiner which I always go to first! (Be still my heart)
I will have to read the article you mentioned in the morning… if I read it tonight I won’t be able to sleep! Happy Easter and God bless you and your family, Catherine!
Dana,
Dear sister in Christ, Happy Easter also to you and to all of your loved ones. Jesus Christ IS Risen! Alleluia!
Google Youtube Te Deum – 5th Century Monastic Chant (Solemn)
“Monks of the one of the Abbeys of the Solesmes Congregation sing this beautiful chant. The Te Deum is attributed to two Fathers and Doctors of the Church, St. Ambrose and St. Augustine and is one the most majestic chants in the Liturgy of the Church. It is sung in traditional seminaries and monastic houses at the Divine Office and for Double feasts of the First Class, The Nativity, Easter, Corpus Christi, Epiphany, Pentecost and those which have an Octave. The solemn Te Deum is sung on all occasions of public Church rejoicing.”
I was listening to beautiful Easter music and I found this gem on Youtube.
We have missed you! Welcome back! More relief and loving fortification after a beautiful Lenten mortification!
Thank you Catherine, and bless you for the website!! Am putting it on my favorites list to refer to for a sure help in time of trouble.
This is completely off the subject, but my daughter-in-law, an ex-Catholic was telling me that while visiting a friend she helped her make the communion bread for her church (CATHOLIC!!) and that she puts extra honey in it. I thought it was forbidden to use yeast bread or add other ingredients to the flour for communion bread. This is the same church I attended about five years ago and was so shocked at the changes in the liturgy that I took my granddaughter’s hand and left… one thing they did was face three different directions, which reminded me of my Rainbow Girl days and masonic ritual.
Needless to say, I was really upset about this latest error as I thought the new Archbishop of Seattle was cleaning things up there.
Dana,
Here is the address for Archbishop J. Peter Sartain. Maybe you have already written but just in case here is the address. I think that a sweet letter from you that simply explained what your daughter-in-law shared with you would be very well received by the Archbishop. The Archbishop is probably not aware of what your daughter-in-law shared with you. Was your daughter-in-law aware or not aware of what she was telling you?
Contacting the Archbishop
Archbishop Sartain will respond to mail sent to: 710 9th Avenue, Seattle, WA 98104
CONGREGATION FOR DIVINE WORSHIP
AND THE DISCIPLINE OF THE SACRAMENT
INSTRUCTION
Redemptionis Sacramentum
On certain matters to be observed or to be avoided
regarding the Most Holy Eucharist
Chapter III
THE PROPER CELEBRATION OF MASS
1. The Matter of the Most Holy Eucharist
[48.] The bread used in the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharistic Sacrifice must be unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made so that there is no danger of decomposition.[123] It follows therefore that bread made from another substance, even if it is grain, or if it is mixed with another substance different from wheat to such an extent that it would not commonly be considered wheat bread, does not constitute valid matter for confecting the Sacrifice and the Eucharistic Sacrament.[124] It is a grave abuse to introduce other substances, such as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist. Hosts should obviously be made by those who are not only distinguished by their integrity, but also skilled in making them and furnished with suitable tools.[125]
[49.] By reason of the sign, it is appropriate that at least some parts of the Eucharistic Bread coming from the fraction should be distributed to at least some of the faithful in Communion. “Small hosts are, however, in no way ruled out when the number of those receiving Holy Communion or other pastoral needs require it”,[126] and indeed small hosts requiring no further fraction ought customarily to be used for the most part.
[50.] The wine that is used in the most sacred celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice must be natural, from the fruit of the grape, pure and incorrupt, not mixed with other substances.[127] During the celebration itself, a small quantity of water is to be mixed with it. Great care should be taken so that the wine intended for the celebration of the Eucharist is well conserved and has not soured.[128] It is altogether forbidden to use wine of doubtful authenticity or provenance, for the Church requires certainty regarding the conditions necessary for the validity of the sacraments. Nor are other drinks of any kind to be admitted for any reason, as they do not constitute valid matter.
Thank you so much Catherine…I’ll try to be as polite and respectful as I can and will let you know if I hear anything back. I can’t believe that so many abuses can go on without visitors or someone complaining. The one time I attended this church, the noise before mass began was truly staggering…everyone was shouting and laughing, and one woman was leaning on the back of my pew on my shoulder as she shared her recent trip to Ireland to her friends. Well, no one can accuse them of not being a really friendly bunch.
Dana I don’t recollect what a wonderful holy priest told me from the Ukrainian parish but I know that they make their own bread. I’ll see what I can recall from what he taught us about that….if I do, Ill post again.
You’ve all heard it said before. “Jesus never said anything against homosexuality.” But he did say quite a bit about a marriage.
Mark 2:19-20 “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. The days will come, when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day.”
Matt 9:15 – “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come, when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast. ”
Luke 5:35-35 repeats the same language where Jesus is the bridegroom of the Church
Matt 25:1-10: “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be compared to ten maidens who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom….As the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept….the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut.”
Matt 22:2-3,9 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a marriage feast for his son, and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast; but they would not come…Go therefore to the thoroughfares, and invite to the marriage feast as many as you find.”
Finally, Matt 19:4 “He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female. And said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?. So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”
I’d add in that the first recorded miracle of Jesus took place at a wedding, John 2:1-11, where John refers to it as a sign. John also records that John the Baptist called Jesus the groom and us the bride, John 3:29 “He who has the bride is the bridegroom; the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom’s voice; therefore this joy of mine is now full.”
Jesus talked quite a bit about marriage and only in the terms of man and wife. The bible starts with the words about a man leaving his parents to cling to his wife to become one flesh with her. Marriage goes to the heart of God’s plan for us. Any attempt to change marriage, be it civil or religious marriage, cannot come from God. Any attempt to change the definition of marriage is pure evil.
MarkF writes “Any attempt to change marriage, be it civil or religious marriage, cannot come from God. Any attempt to change the definition of marriage is pure evil.”
Marriage has been changed many many times since the era of these quotations. Plus you conveniently ignore all of the Old Testament marriages that would hardly be what Maggie Gallagher would call “traditional”.
Please be specific mr/mrs/? anonymous. In what ways has marriage changed in its essential state of being between one man and one woman? Are you referring to the changes in lace veils as opposed to princess tiaras? Polyester white leisure suits vs tux and a pink cumberbund? I personally can’t think of any change in Christian marriages since the time of Jesus other than that between one man/one woman. (heretical cults, atheistic or pagan forms of coupling surely don’t constitute your many changes? )
Anon that is irrelevant and you are twisting what MarkF is really trying to convey. How about the societies that have accepted homosexual lifestyles…like the Roman empire etc etc…they have destroyed themselves by defying the natural law. Don’t speak so ignorant, there is more to the truth…you twisting the truth only demonstrates your true ignorance and bad will!
How has marriage been changed from one man and one woman since time immemorial? Pagan Greek and Roman marriage was one man and one woman. Hindu marriage is one man and one woman. Jewish marriage is one man and one woman. Japanese Shinto marriage is one man and one woman. Buddhist marriage is one man and one woman. I gave examples to support what I said. You just made an unsupported statement backed only by your own words.
Anonymous, you’re flunking Christianity 101 if you think that everything that the heroes of the Bible do is what God wants them to do. Abraham, due to his lack of faith in God’s promise to him took a second wife. Lot lived among the people of Sodom, got drunk and allowed himself to be seduced by his own daughters. St. Peter denied that he knew Jesus at the time when Jesus needed him the most, yet he’s the Rock that Jesus built his Church on. All of us fall short of what God wants for us yet we don’t change our standards of right and wrong based on our own failures. God forgives us but he doesn’t change the rules based on our failures. God writes in straight lines using crooked man, yet right is still right, and wrong is still wrong.
The other major religions agree with what marriage is, and none through recorded history has ever denied male and female by “marrying” two men or two women. Even Nero and Caligula did not do this. It is only in our corrupted times that we have saw fit to attempt this.
No, the attempt to force through this change to basis of civilization is unprecedented.
Anonymous, you display an ignorance of how Jesus defined marriage. Couple this with the Great Commission tasked to the Church to disciple the nations, and oilah you see that the Church should mandate society stick with one man one woman legal definition of marriage, and foreclose legally on all imitations thereof.
MarkF posts, “All of us fall short of what God wants for us yet we don’t change our standards of right and wrong based on our own failures.” EXCELLENT, MarkF, Excellent!!!
Anonymous, (Silly Notion)
Each time that you lead others away from God instead of leading others to God’s Divine Law you are heaping more coals upon your own head. You are choosing to let the vice of homosexual acts rule your being instead of choosing God and His Divine Law. It is tragic enough that you choose this rejection for yourself but has all sense of decency left you? Is there not even an occasional scintilla or spark of good grace that tells you to stop offending God? Is it an imperative to this slavery of homosexual addiction that now compels you to pull others away from God too? Your response to anyone who has pulled themselves up out of the mire reminds me of the reaction of the wicked witch when Dorothy splashes a few drops of water = (TRUTH) on her as the wicked witch attempts to set the place on fire with wicked ways. Your imaginary state of anonymity is nothing more than a mask or front for your OPEN rejection of Divine Law. What a silly notion to think that our actions are hidden from God. There is no such thing as remaining anonymous from God. It saddens me enough that you are choosing to spread the fire of rebellion against God for yourself but are you so consumed that you have to spread that rebellion on those who accept God’s Divine Law? Google: I’m Melting! Wizard of Oz
Taken from Catholic Answers
Divine Law
The rejection of homosexual behavior that is found in the Old Testament is well known. In Genesis 19, two angels in disguise visit the city of Sodom and are offered hospitality and shelter by Lot. During the night, the men of Sodom demand that Lot hand over his guests for homosexual intercourse. Lot refuses, and the angels blind the men of Sodom. Lot and his household escape, and the town is destroyed by fire “because the outcry against its people has become great before the Lord” (Gen. 19:13).
Throughout history, Jewish and Christian scholars have recognized that one of the chief sins involved in God’s destruction of Sodom was its people’s homosexual behavior. But today, certain homosexual activists promote the idea that the sin of Sodom was merely a lack of hospitality. Although inhospitality is a sin, it is clearly the homosexual behavior of the Sodomites that is singled out for special criticism in the account of their city’s destruction. We must look to Scripture’s own interpretation of the sin of Sodom.
Jude 7 records that Sodom and Gomorrah “acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust.” Ezekiel says that Sodom committed “abominable things” (Ezek. 16:50), which could refer to homosexual and heterosexual acts of sin. Lot even offered his two virgin daughters in place of his guests, but the men of Sodom rejected the offer, preferring homosexual sex over heterosexual sex (Gen. 19:8–9). Ezekiel does allude to a lack of hospitality in saying that Sodom “did not aid the poor and needy” (Ezek. 16:49). So homosexual acts and a lack of hospitality both contributed to the destruction of Sodom, with the former being the far greater sin, the “abominable thing” that set off God’s wrath.
But the Sodom incident is not the only time the Old Testament deals with homosexuality. An explicit condemnation is found in the book of Leviticus: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. . . . If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them” (Lev. 18:22, 20:13).
Reinterpreting Scripture
To discount this, some homosexual activists have argued that moral imperatives from the Old Testament can be dismissed since there were certain ceremonial requirements at the time—such as not eating pork, or circumcising male babies—that are no longer binding.
While the Old Testament’s ceremonial requirements are no longer binding, its moral requirements are. God may issue different ceremonies for use in different times and cultures, but his moral requirements are eternal and are binding on all cultures.
Confirming this fact is the New Testament’s forceful rejection of homosexual behavior as well. In Romans 1, Paul attributes the homosexual desires of some to a refusal to acknowledge and worship God. He says, “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct. . . . Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them” (Rom. 1:26–28, 32).
Elsewhere Paul again warns that homosexual behavior is one of the sins that will deprive one of heaven: “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor. 6:9–10, NIV).
All of Scripture teaches the unacceptability of homosexual behavior. But the rejection of this behavior is not an arbitrary prohibition. It, like other moral imperatives, is rooted in natural law—the design that God has built into human nature.
For your consideration: Lamech, Gideon, Elkanah, King David. And just ask Solomon which of his 700 wives was the one NOM-approved one!
That’s irrelevant Anon!
Actions speak louder than words, and the action of instant and total destruction on the homosexual world of Sodom and Gomorrah long ago was spoken by God, and may have been initiated by Jesus Christ Who was at least a perfectly agreeable party to the action.
The constant media attention, the potentate ‘n chief and his henchmen’s pressure on Congress and refusal to support legislation that protects marriage and families, the incessant whining and moaning of various homosexual organizations combined with numerous lawsuits from the ACLU and judges promoting same sex marriage and the ubiquitous sludge oozing out of Hollywood posing as entertainment, have dragged this country down to its knees. One big knock out punch from the Supreme Court and we’re out for the count. It’s no wonder books and movies are obsessed with ghouls and vampires, as that is what we’re dealing with as far as I’m concerned. The people promoting the so-called culture of death have lost their souls and are seeking to drag as many souls down with them as they can. Remember to carry a mirror and a crucifix with you at all times. ;o)
Mark F, God bless you and keep you. Keep up the good fight, brother.
Thanks for the blessing, and yes it is a struggle.
Hang in there MarkF….we all struggle in different ways but still a struggle and the spiritual attacks are stronger on the those who are striving with zeal in doing right by God….trust me when I tell you this…I know.
Thank you! No one is alone in their struggles. Thanks. I needed to hear that.
Abeca and Mark F,
That is right. The devil never sleeps. As terrible a thing as it is, just look at the porn industry trying to move into the Camarillo area. This could also be the furious backlash of the dragon’s tail against the beautiful improvements that are being made at St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo.
Happy Easter to you also Mark from PA.! Mark your mother sounds like she was a very lovely woman. I am sure that you do miss her very much. In the Catholic Church there is an expression, “The Mother of God is the Queen of Heaven.” The Mother of God has asked her Son’s children to make reparation and stop compromising the teachings of her Son’s Church.
Catherine, thank you for your kind words, happy Easter to you also. I miss my mom but I am thankful that God gave her such a good long life. She made Easter dinner for us last year several days before her 91st birthday. I feel blessed to have such a wonderful mom. She was the last of 7 sisters. I have known so many wonderful women in my family and the many nuns and teachers that I have had. Because of this I have great respect for women but I have respect for men too, for all people as we are all God’s children. I still remember the Regina Coeli that we sang in school. I can still sing this hymn in Latin. “Queen of heaven, rejoice, alleluia. For He whom you did merit to bear, alleluia. Has risen as He said, alleluia.”
PA I am sorry for your loss. God bless your mum and even though she was not with you this Easter but her memories still live on in you. God bless your mum! God give you peace. Thank you for sharing with us about you mum. Mums are so special and let us not forget the love our mum Virgin Mary gives us. She is beautiful and precious. May our blessed mum Mary be with you every time you remember your sweet mum, her comfort be yours with love and true conversion in Christ.
Thank you, Abeca Christian. I hope that I can be as good a person as my mom was.
PA you have little respect for authentic men, to be straight and male is to be criminal according to your posts. The more I read them the more enraged I get, you are feminist to the core, I pray one day for a backlash against the homo-sex left and its feminist allies
Canisius, I am sorry that my posts enrage you. If you were raised by the women in my family I think you would have a different attitude. I have great respect for women. What is wrong with that? I also have respect for men. Where here have I said that it is criminal to be a male? Since I am a male that would be a stupid thing to say. You have given testimony that it is often harmful for a boy to be raised without a father. This is true. Many social problems in this country have come from single moms raising sons who get little or no attention from their biological fathers.
Well PA I was not raised by the women in your family, I was not raised by anyone that cared, and my father was dead from a suicide that’s why I received not attention from him….Again you read only what you want, your posts imply that STRAIGHT MALES are inherently criminal rapists and abusers of women. I have heard that mantra most of my life from clipped haired ghouls , who will hopefully suffer and long and painful death..
Abusive people want attention. Abusive people take over your life, your mind. They deprive you of normalcy, of simplicity, of friendship and of love. You have to be your own parent. You have to look at yourself and say to yourself what a good parent would say. I love you. It is good that you were born. It is good that you are here. You have been given your talents to serve God who is love. Bad parents have failed you. Do not fail yourself. Live free. People who were trapped in bad homes have a tendency to repeat the abuse. They seek out work, religions, relationships that are very structured with firm rules. When one can accept reality with peace, knowing that a loving God who is infinitely wise and powerful is really in charge (even when it appears he is sleeping in the boat) we are free. We will have trials and sufferings and we accept them joyfully, as servants who have been deemed worthy to suffer for the Gospel. Faith, hope and love is all that is out there (or a cry for faith, hope and love.) Be holy.
It’s a hard skill to master but maybe just ignore what you cannot change and what makes you mad. You know, like the Beatles said, let it be. I have found a way to post on here without getting bogged down or lead down the rabbit hole.
Canisius, women that are raped and abused are most often the victims of heterosexual males. However, most straight men are not rapists and abusers, only a small minority of men are. A small percentage of men, gay and straight are criminals, but saying this does not make me anti-male. I have had men who have been positive role models in my life. I was the youngest child in my family so may dad tended to spoil me at times. I remember when I was in 6th Grade I had a tough nun for a teacher and my dad used to take me out for a hamburger and French fries on Saturday mornings. My uncle (mom’s older brother) and godfather used to take me on walks and buy me treats. My brother is a great guy, he is older and used to try to interest me in sports and babysat for me when he was older. I had several men teachers in school who were good role models. A high school gym teacher was an older man who was kind to me even though I wasn’t good at sports. My French teacher, who taught part-time at our school, was also a newspaper editor. He spent extra time with our class and was a wonderful man and teacher. My English teacher in 11th and 12th grade also was a great teacher. He became a personal friend after I graduated and later entered the priesthood. The priest that taught us religion in 11th Grade was also a wonderful man. He later became the chaplain at our university’s Newman Center and said daily Mass which I usually attended. He was like a big brother to me and I saw him almost every day when I was in college. So I not only appreciate the women in my life but also the men.
MarkF I am going to download the Let be Album and down a few cold ones….
My famous line these days and I give them to PA: “That’s irrelevant” PA….Canisuis is trying to make a good point to you and what you replied was irrelevant.
Abeca Christian, do you think my posts favor women over men?
Canisius, I am sorry for the loss of your father. It is tragic that you were not raised by anyone that cared. I think of my mother’s large family and wish that you had been part of our family because you would have been well cared for. I think in our family the boys were spoiled to an extent. The girls weren’t really spoiled as much, except for my one cousin who was an only child. All the girls were the oldest child and only daughters. The girls pretty much had to help their moms with domestic chores and were close to their moms but I wouldn’t say that they were spoiled. My oldest cousin, who is like a big sister to me said that as a girl she was always busy helping her mom and also helping our grandmother but her brother never really had to do anything so he spent lots of times playing sports and pretty much got waited on. When I was a kid sometimes I would ask my mom if I could help her with dishes or the wash or various things but she always said that it was “women’s work” and her job so I guess I had it easy. My son misses my mom because he loved her cooking and she was always making special things for him to eat. You would have fit in with the men in my family too as they would have enjoyed sharing a few cold ones with you.
Anonymous, why do you believe that everything that the people in the bible did was what God wanted for them. I really would like an answer to that.